Thanks for taking a beating for the team. It’s a beautiful rifle but way more than I need and probably way more than I can handle. I was flinching just watching you shoot it
Not zeroed but a GREAT group. Man that recoil is something else. I knew a gentleman who tested ammo for one of the major players & I asked him once what rifle he had shot that kicked the most. His answer: The 458 Lott. Ron I could listen to you all day long. You have a pleasant voice, use no profanity, have your act together, do your homework & know ("been there/done that") what you're talking about. You don't blow smoke & you're not on an ego trip. Like who_tee_who you are Top Shelf sir. We have a common interest in several calibers. Always a pleasure & I sincerely thank you for ALL your efforts!👍
I couldn't have said it better! In fact, I was planning on leaving a first level (versus a comment on a comment)... comment about what an amazing pair of experts WTW Adam and Ron make when they get together... what a treasure!
Hello Ron, I am a retired Alaska Master Guide and in the late 70s I tried the 458 Win Mag in one of the early Ruger mod. 77's I was never a fan of the .458 as all that was available at the time were the 510 gr. factory soft nose ammo. I also had one of the early Browning Safari control feed rifles in 458 and that was a much better rifle. I found that heavy African .458 loads dropped like a rock and I went back to my Pre-64 .375 Win. Mag. While it took care of every wounded bear that I had to deal with it didn't do it in a dramatic way. In the early 90's I moved up to the .416 Rem. mag in a Control feed mod 70 Winchester and did it not only take care of business much more effectively, it slam dunked every wounded Brown Bear that I had to put down. I never fired a factory 400 gr load through my rifle as I feel that is more suited for African game than it is for Alaska. I always hand loaded the 325 gr. Barns X bullets and I was getting 2600 + velocity and that load and was devastating on the big bears and Moose. I also used the 350 gr Kodiak bonded core bullets made in Juneau Alaska which I believe have been discontinued unfortunately as that bullet did a great job as well. I currently teach bear safety here in North Idaho to Law Enforcement Schools, Church's and the general public. I enjoy your pod cast very much. Keep the good work!
I have a model 70 in 416 Remington Magnum also, superb rifle and extremely accurate. I have never fired a 400 gr bullet through mine, I live in MS so I practice with mine on whitetail lol. I run 300 tsx at mild 2700 fps and 340 woodleigh pp at 2680 fps.
Just put in a range session with my old 270 Ruger tang safety with the red pad and was thinking man I need a better recoil pad on this thing. Then I open you tube and see this video 😂
Thanks Ron, you are likely to feel those later . The biggest rifle I've shot was a .458 Ackley Improved.......once. Was wearing a light tee shirt, my buddy handed it to me and said, "hold on tight", I was standing, no rest, so the recoil was not anywhere near what a bench rest delivers. Once was enough that day.
458 Lott was the first big bore rifle I have shot. My Grandpa has a CZ 550 safari magnum that he took to Africa and he thought it was hilarious to watch my shoot it as a 13 year old
Thank you for going the distance with that stopping rifle. My shoulder is asking for Advil right now just watching you shoot! Shooting from a bench doesn't let your body absorb the recoil generated by that light rifle. When I was working up loads for my 338 Edge, I shoot fifteen rounds from the bench and quit when I realized that I had a tremendous headache. After that I only shot five rounds at a sitting.
After noticing that I had had headaches previously from a days when doing load development with heavy kickers from .300 RUM on up...I decided to use a lead sled for all minute of chronograph testing with the heavy kickers. Headaches from recoil should be treated with all due caution!
Hello Ron. Gorgeous rifle, but like many a gorgeous rifle, revolver or car, more than I need. You took quite the pounding - one suffers for one's art! Wonderful presentation, too. I feel sure Elmer would have approved. And I agree about the shooting positions making a difference. Even a stout .356 Winchester gets my attention these days from a bench. But standing is no problem - except that I can't hit anything! I'll work out the details on that one someday...
I had the privilege of shooting with one of these in 450 Rigby and it was off the bench. Those Park West rifles are really accurate. I recall 6 shots off the bench and my shoulder and I called it a day. Felt like 16 load development rounds with my 375.
Good description of more safely carrying the rifle with muzzle forward and down. Nothing is safe, but this is safer than carrying a rifle with the muzzle to the rear.
It's just fascinating to me how many of these nice features come from the original Mauser 98 even the internal magazine springs look like a Mauser, I have a Argentine 1909, controlled feed, 3 position safety etc. it may be over 100 years old but it's still a great rifle. Pretty amazing that a rifle designed in the 1800s is still so relevant. Mauser truly was one of the greats along with the likes of Browning, and Kalashnikov.
Another excellent video Ron! I have been as able to reach the 7,000 ft lbs. of energy mark with loads that may be warmer than allowable factory specs in a 24" barrel with no normal pressure signs other than slightly sticky extraction from a single shot that had no camming advantage like the bolt actions! That's only ~ 500 ft. lbs. less than the .460 Wby. numbers that are currently listed. The other advantage of the Lott is the straight case design which always has the minimal pressure parameters for the appropriate burn rate propellants! To demonstrate that last point... years ago I had A-Square make a limited run of extra strong (65,000 - 70,000 psi) brass which I quickly realized that (when working with propellants with burn rates slower than I-3031)...all I had to do was fill the case within one quarter of an inch of the mouth of the case and then compress the charge with the 900gr. FMJ Woodleigh bullets! In the 32" barrel of the test gun the muzzle energies reached almost 17,000 ft. lbs., exceeding the energy achieved with the 50 BMG...in up to 45" barrels when the pressure far exceeded the point of blowing the primer! The .600 Nitro reached it's maximum energies due to case capacity limits and in almost every case the cases would fall out when the muzzle of the gun was tipped to ~ a 45 ° angle! Moral of the story is that the .600 Nitro can develop more energy than any shooter could withstand without a brake! Later tests with a .50/416 which reached over 12,000 ft.lbs. in a 32" railgun with the best projectiles was also surprisingly efficient cartridge!
First, I've been to Africa several times. Up to pH, but I have used muzzle brakes everytime.. I use a 470 nitro express, & a 416 weatherby. It's about proper holding correct, so body absorbs recoil. I only shoot 6 rds per sit.
I’ve got to say Ron, your video quality has improved tremendously! Just love listening to you talk with such passion about your work. Truly enjoy your channel! Keep doing what your doing
Got handloaded rounds of brass solid and copper solid 458 lott they hurt but crazy energy lol even for target this is a fun caliber, clears your sinuses lol
I used AA5744 downloaded to Backppwder velocities (around 1900fps) with 405gr lead cast bullets when mine was still in the white. Great, great way to shoot a few hundred rounds and practice running the bolt fast as you can. It also wears in the action for your gunsmith to find and polish the important wear surfaces. You can shoot it all day, and it is serious hog medicine loaded that way. I've never huntress With 500gr bullets, but mine prints Barnes 450gr TSX's and 450gr solids to same 100yd point of impact at ave 2305 fps. More energy than 458 Win Mag without much chamber pressure. It's shocking how much faster you can get back on target with the 450 gainers too. Mine weighs 9lb 3oz with Talley lever detach rings and a Leupold Vari-x III 1.5-4 power scope with Premier 4A reticle. It's my favorite rifle of all!
Just bought a Past Recoil shield after shooting my 7lb 338 off the bench ha-ha. I also had shoulder surgery last year, so it is weak. I have a Ruger RSM in 458 Lott that I have yet to shoot.
That's a very nice rifle. A lot of guys don't think a big bore rifle like that isn't very accurate. Ron I pretty sure you just proved them wrong, very nice shooting. ( even if you did dislocate your shoulder😅) a very good friend of mine had a Belgian Browning in .458 Winchester mag that he let me shoot a few times at the range one day. I was surprised and impressed with the accuracy of that rifle both offhand and on the bench. I love those big bores ❤❤.
i remember probably 30 years ago i was testing different slug loads and my most accurate load was i think federal hi shok 12 ga 3in 1 1/4 oz slug that would stomp you in my mossberg 500. after testing field and stream magazine came out with a article on felt recoil of different brands and listed the federal slug at 91-93 ft/ lb energy against the shoulder .it had the highest shoulder recoil of all slug shells they tested . i still got a old high standard police issue 12ga pump 2 3/4 18 in cylinder bore scoped .the same shell in 23/4 off.sand bags on recoil would knock my ball cap off about every shot . I'm much older now and disabled and don't shoot that beast ammunition anymore if they still make it. papa wishing you well 😮
@@clemoniii went to school with a Brittany atcheson. She didn’t shave her pits and or wore deodorant. She smelled horrid during wrestling season between cutting weight and previous days wrestling funk.
A superb rifle which you'll pay a lot for. An excellent alternative at a MUCH lower cost would be a CZ 550; you can still find them. It'll do the job just as well. And many custom, dangerous-game rifles have been built upon that action. Unlike many, you were smart enough to wear a shoulder recoil pad. I'd be skeptical about any red dot holding up to the recoil. I'm glad that you emphasized the safety advantages of a CR feed bolt. Too many will claim the PR feed to be just as reliable. It isn't. And your life could depend upon the difference. The muzzle brake? Absolutely on a big gun like that if the PH will allow. Thanks for the video. A good overview of the essential characteristics needed for a big game rifle.
Five rounds of .458 Lott is a “lot” of energy. Not a fan of muzzle brakes, but good point in relation to saving the day in close situations. Pretty sure that rifle will shoot MOA with a clearer sight picture.
As always a great rifle review. Keep’em coming with those Parkwest guns (or others). The only thing that I disagree on is the African shoulder carry. I tend to adhere to the advice of Craig Boddington and others of using a good rifle sling. There are lots of African PH’s who grew up using that type of carry and are used to it but for us on this side of the ocean it is unwieldy and cumbersome.
A very practical rifle meant to be a tool. Those numbers are very similar to the .458 Express, and the recoil is less aggressive on the Express than the Hurt-a-Lott.
The original rationale for the Lott was that the powders of the time were unreliable if compressed in a .458winmag. These days, all the Lott does over the winmag is go 50-100fps faster.
You are exactly right! Almost all current loading manuals will show what you just noted! Factory loadings that I have chronographed over the past decade reinforce the same findings with some loadings pushing the 500 grain bullets close to ~ 2,200 fps!
I think I’ll stick to my 45/70. I pushed a 405gr in a 7# T/C Encore to the max load for the #1 Ruger. Bent the base, rings popped off the bent base, and banana broke the scope. I rarely pull bullets but did on this. I’ve shot a 577NE and the Encore was way worse.
Appears to be a very smoothy bolt action for a 98 type? BTW, Ron, what are your feelings about the Sako 85 semi push/ semi controlled round feed? Is it controlled enough?
Wow. My 308 kicks at about 15 foot-pounds of recoil with the 150-grain Hornaday I shoot at targets and whitetail deer. When I saw that 91 number I tried to imagine 6x that energy kicking back from a rifle that weighs about what my trusty old Savage Axis with scope and bipod weighs. I guess a charging cape buffalo would take your mind off the recoil until the adrenaline wears off! Incidentally, that's a nice recoil pad. Do you have a link for it?
@@claytonholland5608 Two Zimbabwean PH guides I knew during the 1980's complained that the "new loads from Winchester factory ammo were so slow that the gun had a trajectory like a rainbow, making shot placement above 50 yards/metres very difficult"... esp in an uregent-respose situation. This was because of very poor results in the 70's from Winchester compressing powder into the cartridge to try and achieve advertised velocities. Neither of the guides had a chrono but I'll wager MV's were no more than 1900 fps, possibly even 1850. Newer powders in the nineties improved things but only by 100 fps. 500gr projectile was far too heavy for a 375 H&H case. NOTHING more important than bullet placement. I know one guide swapped to a 375 H&H for accuracy and far better results. Remember back then places like Zim had very ltd ammo choice.
Also, as you already mentioned things have improved the performance since the dates that you mentioned and I have seen loads approaching 2,200 fps... with the .500 grain solids in some manuals... which by the way exceeds the ME's listed for most .45 caliber NE's...with less temperature sensitive powders! The Lott can be carefully loaded to energy levels that fairly easily exceed 6,000 ft. lbs., without overly concerning primer indications or excessive case head expansion in some (24" barreled) guns!
Great review as always, Ron! Entertaining as well as informative. (I hope your shoulder feels better ;-) I'd be curious to know how many rounds of 458 Lott it takes to jostle that red dot sight ... or is it that tough & durable? Steve S. | Flowery Branch GA
Whats your recommended scope for a dangerous game rig? My 9.3x62 is nearing completion, and im mind of stuck between a vx5 1-5 or a Leica amplus 1-6. Any thoughts, Ron?
@@ClovisPoint yes, I guess I didn't phrase my question correctly. I'm wondering why most manufacturers don't include iron sights anymore. I really wish all manufacturers would include rifles with iron sights in their portfolio of offerings.
First let me say I’m not talking trash about parkwest arms. I just disagree with a term they are using. A brand new action, in a brand new build, for a brand new rifle has no need for blueprinting. I must assume the action was made very precisely. So the need to blueprint is just not there.
Thanks for taking a beating for the team. It’s a beautiful rifle but way more than I need and probably way more than I can handle. I was flinching just watching you shoot it
It hurt my shoulder and my bank account.
Not zeroed but a GREAT group. Man that recoil is something else. I knew a gentleman who tested ammo for one of the major players & I asked him once what rifle he had shot that kicked the most. His answer: The 458 Lott.
Ron I could listen to you all day long. You have a pleasant voice, use no profanity, have your act together, do your homework & know ("been there/done that") what you're talking about. You don't blow smoke & you're not on an ego trip. Like who_tee_who you are Top Shelf sir. We have a common interest in several calibers.
Always a pleasure & I sincerely thank you for ALL your efforts!👍
Yeppers!!!!!
Right on!!!!
I couldn't have said it better! In fact, I was planning on leaving a first level (versus a comment on a comment)... comment about what an amazing pair of experts WTW Adam and Ron make when they get together... what a treasure!
@@cheryltysver4819 Agreed.
Hello Ron, I am a retired Alaska Master Guide and in the late 70s I tried the 458 Win Mag in one of the early Ruger mod. 77's I was never a fan of the .458 as all that was available at the time were the 510 gr. factory soft nose ammo. I also had one of the early Browning Safari control feed rifles in 458 and that was a much better rifle. I found that heavy African .458 loads dropped like a rock and I went back to my Pre-64 .375 Win. Mag. While it took care of every wounded bear that I had to deal with it didn't do it in a dramatic way. In the early 90's I moved up to the .416 Rem. mag in a Control feed mod 70 Winchester and did it not only take care of business much more effectively, it slam dunked every wounded Brown Bear that I had to put down. I never fired a factory 400 gr load through my rifle as I feel that is more suited for African game than it is for Alaska. I always hand loaded the 325 gr. Barns X bullets and I was getting 2600 + velocity and that load and was devastating on the big bears and Moose. I also used the 350 gr Kodiak bonded core bullets made in Juneau Alaska which I believe have been discontinued unfortunately as that bullet did a great job as well. I currently teach bear safety here in North Idaho to Law Enforcement Schools, Church's and the general public. I enjoy your pod cast very much. Keep the good work!
I have a model 70 in 416 Remington Magnum also, superb rifle and extremely accurate. I have never fired a 400 gr bullet through mine, I live in MS so I practice with mine on whitetail lol. I run 300 tsx at mild 2700 fps and 340 woodleigh pp at 2680 fps.
@@andrewcleveland I had a Winchester in .458 Win Mag, with a bubinga wood stock. It was a bit sharp, but very well balanced.
Just put in a range session with my old 270 Ruger tang safety with the red pad and was thinking man I need a better recoil pad on this thing.
Then I open you tube and see this video 😂
Thanks Ron, you are likely to feel those later . The biggest rifle I've shot was a .458 Ackley Improved.......once. Was wearing a light tee shirt, my buddy handed it to me and said, "hold on tight", I was standing, no rest, so the recoil was not anywhere near what a bench rest delivers. Once was enough that day.
Perfect for whitetail
Yep, no need for bullet expansion. 😂
And good for a charging wood chuck 🙏
I love large African game rifles and cartridges but honestly the idea of a red dot on one never crossed my mind. What a excellent idea .
Kicks a Lott
A Lott of recoil
There is no recoil when there is fur in the scope.
458 Lott was the first big bore rifle I have shot. My Grandpa has a CZ 550 safari magnum that he took to Africa and he thought it was hilarious to watch my shoot it as a 13 year old
Sometimes, you're the hammer. Sometimes, you're the nail. Ron, you were the nail on this day. 🤣🤣
Thank you for going the distance with that stopping rifle. My shoulder is asking for Advil right now just watching you shoot! Shooting from a bench doesn't let your body absorb the recoil generated by that light rifle.
When I was working up loads for my 338 Edge, I shoot fifteen rounds from the bench and quit when I realized that I had a tremendous headache. After that I only shot five rounds at a sitting.
After noticing that I had had headaches previously from a days when doing load development with heavy kickers from .300 RUM on up...I decided to use a lead sled for all minute of chronograph testing with the heavy kickers. Headaches from recoil should be treated with all due caution!
Hello Ron. Gorgeous rifle, but like many a gorgeous rifle, revolver or car, more than I need. You took quite the pounding - one suffers for one's art! Wonderful presentation, too. I feel sure Elmer would have approved. And I agree about the shooting positions making a difference. Even a stout .356 Winchester gets my attention these days from a bench. But standing is no problem - except that I can't hit anything! I'll work out the details on that one someday...
I had the privilege of shooting with one of these in 450 Rigby and it was off the bench. Those Park West rifles are really accurate. I recall 6 shots off the bench and my shoulder and I called it a day. Felt like 16 load development rounds with my 375.
Ron, that’s a beauty! A DGR in 458 Lott with a built for function stock and finish; a total package for a DGR safari!
Thanks for sharing!
Good description of more safely carrying the rifle with muzzle forward and down. Nothing is safe, but this is safer than carrying a rifle with the muzzle to the rear.
Nice to listen to a man that really knows his stuff. Good work Ron
Sebastian Australia 🇦🇺
No muzzle breaks for African PH's. Great video Ron. Keep up the good work.
That was awesome. I've seen plenty of your videos, and I'm not a big game hunter, but man did I enjoy this vid. Well done man.
On my fourth Lott , a 2006 CZ550 Safari Classic , love it ,
Thanks for the upload Ron
It's just fascinating to me how many of these nice features come from the original Mauser 98 even the internal magazine springs look like a Mauser, I have a Argentine 1909, controlled feed, 3 position safety etc. it may be over 100 years old but it's still a great rifle. Pretty amazing that a rifle designed in the 1800s is still so relevant. Mauser truly was one of the greats along with the likes of Browning, and Kalashnikov.
Beautiful rifle, and a great informative vid again, sir👍 Thanks;
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, TW.
Shewee! I need one!
Don't be in a hurry
Adam yes please I feel a video coming on😂
@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast I only have one I don't enjoy shooting....my 500 jeffrey. This one looks about as brutal
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast how about a 375 Gibs, 505 neck down to 375
Another excellent video Ron!
I have been as able to reach the 7,000 ft lbs. of energy mark with loads that may be warmer than allowable factory specs in a 24" barrel with no normal pressure signs other than slightly sticky extraction from a single shot that had no camming advantage like the bolt actions! That's only ~ 500 ft. lbs. less than the .460 Wby.
numbers that are currently listed.
The other advantage of the Lott is the straight case design which always has the minimal pressure parameters for the appropriate burn rate propellants!
To demonstrate that last point... years ago I had A-Square make a limited run of extra strong (65,000 - 70,000 psi) brass which I quickly realized that (when working with propellants with burn rates slower than I-3031)...all I had to do was fill the case within one quarter of an inch of the mouth of the case and then compress the charge with the 900gr. FMJ
Woodleigh bullets! In the 32" barrel of the test gun the muzzle energies reached almost 17,000 ft. lbs., exceeding the energy achieved with the
50 BMG...in up to 45" barrels when the pressure far exceeded the point of blowing the primer! The .600 Nitro reached it's maximum energies due to case capacity limits and in almost every case the cases would fall out when the muzzle of the gun was tipped to ~ a 45 °
angle! Moral of the story is that the
.600 Nitro can develop more energy than any shooter could withstand without a brake! Later tests with a .50/416 which reached over 12,000 ft.lbs. in a 32" railgun with the best projectiles was also surprisingly efficient cartridge!
That's a awesome rifle !!! Wow , great shooting too !!
Likewise - when shooting at game , I HAVE NEVER realized/recalled recoil 😅
I love your content. I wish you’d do an episode about rifled barrel shotguns & sabot slugs, being a midwestern whitetail firearm hunter myself :)
First, I've been to Africa several times. Up to pH, but I have used muzzle brakes everytime.. I use a 470 nitro express, & a 416 weatherby. It's about proper holding correct, so body absorbs recoil. I only shoot 6 rds per sit.
I’ve got to say Ron, your video quality has improved tremendously! Just love listening to you talk with such passion about your work. Truly enjoy your channel! Keep doing what your doing
Wow, I’d say that this man can cycle a bolt gun! Looks like a great rifle, Ron. Thanks for showing it off!
Got handloaded rounds of brass solid and copper solid 458 lott they hurt but crazy energy lol even for target this is a fun caliber, clears your sinuses lol
“Clears your sinuses” 😂😂😂 i bet it does!
I used AA5744 downloaded to Backppwder velocities (around 1900fps) with 405gr lead cast bullets when mine was still in the white. Great, great way to shoot a few hundred rounds and practice running the bolt fast as you can. It also wears in the action for your gunsmith to find and polish the important wear surfaces. You can shoot it all day, and it is serious hog medicine loaded that way. I've never huntress With 500gr bullets, but mine prints Barnes 450gr TSX's and 450gr solids to same 100yd point of impact at ave 2305 fps. More energy than 458 Win Mag without much chamber pressure. It's shocking how much faster you can get back on target with the 450 gainers too. Mine weighs 9lb 3oz with Talley lever detach rings and a Leupold Vari-x III 1.5-4 power scope with Premier 4A reticle. It's my favorite rifle of all!
Oooooooooh yeah! Feels so good right Ron?
Just bought a Past Recoil shield after shooting my 7lb 338 off the bench ha-ha. I also had shoulder surgery last year, so it is weak. I have a Ruger RSM in 458 Lott that I have yet to shoot.
Ron, if it were you, would you choose the 458 Lott or the 375 Ruger or 416 Ruger?
That's a very nice rifle. A lot of guys don't think a big bore rifle like that isn't very accurate. Ron I pretty sure you just proved them wrong, very nice shooting. ( even if you did dislocate your shoulder😅) a very good friend of mine had a Belgian Browning in .458 Winchester mag that he let me shoot a few times at the range one day. I was surprised and impressed with the accuracy of that rifle both offhand and on the bench. I love those big bores ❤❤.
What a beauty now try the 460 why mag
i remember probably 30 years ago i was testing different slug loads and my most accurate load was i think federal hi shok 12 ga 3in 1 1/4 oz slug that would stomp you in my mossberg 500. after testing field and stream magazine came out with a article on felt recoil of different brands and listed the federal slug at 91-93 ft/ lb energy against the shoulder .it had the highest shoulder recoil of all slug shells they tested . i still got a old high standard police issue 12ga pump 2 3/4 18 in cylinder bore scoped .the same shell in 23/4 off.sand bags on recoil would knock my ball cap off about every shot . I'm much older now and disabled and don't shoot that beast ammunition anymore if they still make it. papa wishing you well 😮
Great set up.
My daughter’s first cartridge.
😂
Is her name Nikki Atcheson?
@@clemoniii went to school with a Brittany atcheson. She didn’t shave her pits and or wore deodorant. She smelled horrid during wrestling season between cutting weight and previous days wrestling funk.
@goinhot9133 Damn, could have lived the rest of my life without hearing that! 🤣
@@clemoniii I could have passed 9th grade Spanish class if given a fair chance. I couldn’t think holding my breathe for 40minutes 😂
A superb rifle which you'll pay a lot for.
An excellent alternative at a MUCH lower cost would be a CZ 550; you can still find them.
It'll do the job just as well.
And many custom, dangerous-game rifles have been built upon that action.
Unlike many, you were smart enough to wear a shoulder recoil pad.
I'd be skeptical about any red dot holding up to the recoil.
I'm glad that you emphasized the safety advantages of a CR feed bolt.
Too many will claim the PR feed to be just as reliable.
It isn't. And your life could depend upon the difference.
The muzzle brake? Absolutely on a big gun like that if the PH will allow.
Thanks for the video.
A good overview of the essential characteristics needed for a big game rifle.
They should make more economical straight pull actions in the big boars that is real quick for back up shots
Doing brass prep right now for it my lott
Ah yes a proper ground squirrel rifle.
Five rounds of .458 Lott is a “lot” of energy. Not a fan of muzzle brakes, but good point in relation to saving the day in close situations. Pretty sure that rifle will shoot MOA with a clearer sight picture.
As always a great rifle review. Keep’em coming with those Parkwest guns (or others). The only thing that I disagree on is the African shoulder carry. I tend to adhere to the advice of Craig Boddington and others of using a good rifle sling. There are lots of African PH’s who grew up using that type of carry and are used to it but for us on this side of the ocean it is unwieldy and cumbersome.
A very practical rifle meant to be a tool. Those numbers are very similar to the .458 Express, and the recoil is less aggressive on the Express than the Hurt-a-Lott.
I’m sure when that wounded Buffalo bursts out of the thick brush with the intention of killing you, the last thing your thinking of is the recoil🤔.
The original rationale for the Lott was that the powders of the time were unreliable if compressed in a .458winmag.
These days, all the Lott does over the winmag is go 50-100fps faster.
You are exactly right! Almost all current loading manuals will show what you just noted! Factory loadings that I have chronographed over the past decade reinforce the same findings with some loadings pushing the 500 grain bullets close to ~ 2,200 fps!
You should have a bench tall enough to stand up to. Sitting at a bench firing a heavy recoiling rifle is inspiring and catching A flinch
That's the rifle you need if you land on the planet of dinosaurs. 🦕
I love seeing a hunting rifle with a red dot. I don't know why this is not more popular for hunters in the woods.
Because red dots aren't very good for shooting stuff at 500 yards, which most people seem to think is a requirement for any type of hunting.
It's those tiny Buffaloes you have to worry about. They will take out your ankles
I think I’ll stick to my 45/70. I pushed a 405gr in a 7# T/C Encore to the max load for the #1 Ruger. Bent the base, rings popped off the bent base, and banana broke the scope. I rarely pull bullets but did on this. I’ve shot a 577NE and the Encore was way worse.
Mr Spomer I’d sure love to have that rifle!
a 5 inch drop at 200 yards - pretty good for pushing 500grns
You need a 1MOA dot. Trijicon RMR has a 1MOA dot. I run it on pistols.
Thats definitely a dead buffalo, just goes to shiw once again Ron can shoot!!
Appears to be a very smoothy bolt action for a 98 type? BTW, Ron, what are your feelings about the Sako 85 semi push/ semi controlled round feed? Is it controlled enough?
The Sako m85 in 338 Fed. I once took a bull elk with seemed pretty robust and consistent. CRF worked fine. But no long term association with it.
Wow that thing is a mule when it goes off. Awesome big bore.
I have very little desire to experience 91 lbs felt recoil
Great video!!
No Flinch Ron!
Wow. My 308 kicks at about 15 foot-pounds of recoil with the 150-grain Hornaday I shoot at targets and whitetail deer. When I saw that 91 number I tried to imagine 6x that energy kicking back from a rifle that weighs about what my trusty old Savage Axis with scope and bipod weighs. I guess a charging cape buffalo would take your mind off the recoil until the adrenaline wears off! Incidentally, that's a nice recoil pad. Do you have a link for it?
Kicks like a mule. I'm sure your chiropractor will be happy to see you.
Great video, as always.
You’ll have to go see an actual doctor when you’re finished with a Lott.
So glad i got the baby brother....458 win mag
When I fired my 458 wm on Narwhal I didn't feel the recoil too LOL
A 1x6x LPVO with quick detach Talley's would the ideal optic for this rig.
375,hh and 416 rem mag might be my upper limit 😂
Just curious, What type of Red dot are you running on that rifle. I don't recall you mentioning it in the video.
Nice rifle . I’d need a controlled feed . I’ve got a whelen built on a rem 700 but for tradition sake I need one built on a model 70 action
Much better a 404 jefferey to do the work at this short distances
worst recoil ive ever felt was a client showed up in elk camp with a 460 Weatherby.. o....m...g
When he shot those water jugs, was he shooting a water buffalo? :-)
I wonder how a picatinny rail and a red dot and magnifier would work . Also if it could with stand the recoil .
Hi Ron, what's the bench camera system that you are using? Thanks
Great video. 458 Lott far superior to the standard 458 Win.
In theory but I have used both guiding and have never been able to tell the difference.
@@claytonholland5608 Two Zimbabwean PH guides I knew during the 1980's complained that the "new loads from Winchester factory ammo were so slow that the gun had a trajectory like a rainbow, making shot placement above 50 yards/metres very difficult"... esp in an uregent-respose situation. This was because of very poor results in the 70's from Winchester compressing powder into the cartridge to try and achieve advertised velocities.
Neither of the guides had a chrono but I'll wager MV's were no more than 1900 fps, possibly even 1850. Newer powders in the nineties improved things but only by 100 fps. 500gr projectile was far too heavy for a 375 H&H case.
NOTHING more important than bullet placement. I know one guide swapped to a 375 H&H for accuracy and far better results. Remember back then places like Zim had very ltd ammo choice.
@@mikemennell4989
With reference to 'far to heavy for a .375 H&H case'... what do you think that the Lott case is?
Also, as you already mentioned things have improved the performance since the dates that you mentioned and I have seen loads approaching 2,200 fps... with the .500 grain solids in some manuals... which by the way exceeds the ME's listed for most .45 caliber NE's...with less temperature sensitive powders! The Lott can be carefully loaded to energy levels that fairly easily exceed 6,000 ft. lbs., without overly concerning primer indications or excessive case head expansion in some (24" barreled) guns!
Thanks Ron,
That recoil would have killed a lesser man!
I'm super curious how much the recoil shouldder pad actually helps, I'm not recoil sensitive at all, but do have a bit of shoulder issue, ....
Does Parkwest cerakote the action and barrel?
What model red dot are they recommending/sending ?
Great review as always, Ron! Entertaining as well as informative. (I hope your shoulder feels better ;-)
I'd be curious to know how many rounds of 458 Lott it takes to jostle that red dot sight ... or is it that tough & durable?
Steve S. | Flowery Branch GA
Can you explain some back story on a .284 Winchester caliber
Cool ep and rifle
Well Done..
Whats your recommended scope for a dangerous game rig? My 9.3x62 is nearing completion, and im mind of stuck between a vx5 1-5 or a Leica amplus 1-6. Any thoughts, Ron?
I had a tooth get dislodged from watching this video
would love to know the powder used in those handloads - IMR4895? RL15?
A table full of TORPEDOES!!
Man, you are gonna have a bruise. Thanks!
Be careful with that .458 Lott Mr. Spomer. I remember what that .416 Rigby did to you a few years back. (I still chuckle thinking about that video)
Is there a 458 Creedmoor in the works?
@RonSpomerOutdoors What is the point of iron sights on a scoped system?
I prefer my rifles with iron sights, but they just aren't common anymore.
back up
@@ClovisPoint yes, I guess I didn't phrase my question correctly. I'm wondering why most manufacturers don't include iron sights anymore.
I really wish all manufacturers would include rifles with iron sights in their portfolio of offerings.
What's the muzzle diameter on that rifle?
Do video on 416 ruger guide gun
My model 70 wont single feed like that, the bolt will not go over cartridge in chamber
Awesome
First let me say I’m not talking trash about parkwest arms. I just disagree with a term they are using.
A brand new action, in a brand new build, for a brand new rifle has no need for blueprinting. I must assume the action was made very precisely. So the need to blueprint is just not there.
How much does it cost? A Lott
Have you tried the other end of the spectrum? 180 rem core loct? Lol