DD, these are great honest PH conversations about their client’s DG rifle/caliber choices. My takeaway was that most of the African PH’s prefer to see 375’s and 416’s, with a few who were okay with clients using 458’s or greater, “if” the client could actually use the rifle and deal with the recoil. They made a point of saying a hunter should not only practice with his DG rifle a good amount but also get used to shooting off sticks! I saw a few PH’s using irons, one with a red dot, but most were using LPVO’s! DD, you outdid yourself on researching this collection of PH videos and interviews; I have seen most of these guys in hunting videos but you managed to find some interesting footage that’s certainly off the beaten path! Again, you set a new standard for yourself with this one! Thanks for sharing! Take care and be well!
I would suggest a .416 Remington. Why? Reliable power and a usually less expensive rifle if on a budget. If looking for something smaller I would suggest the 8mm.
Very interesting. I loved reading Finn Aagaard stories about Africa and his take on such matters. I never went to Africa and I doubt that I ever will but it is fun to read about and listen to those who have.
Silaspierre for you : The 9.3x62 Mauser was built by German gunmaker Otto Bock.This calibre was spesifically designed by Bock for the German farmers and big game hunters in German East Africa. If you have this gun you do not need anything else
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 - more of them than you probably realize. The only shortcoming of the 9.3 is it isn't legal everywhere even though it gives up no practical ground to 375 H&H. There's maybe 400-500 ft lbs of difference in KE between them in factory loads. The practiced hand loader can make them identical. Neither of them are stoppers, and you need to be selective above your shot angle with either of them. A strong quartering-to shot is a bad idea with both of them. A raking shot from the left with either of them is a bad idea as well, as neither of them will penetrate the rumen. I have a 375H&H and a 9.3x62. There is no practical difference between them. If I'm going on a dedicated DG hunt, I'll bring my 404 Jeffery. "You have to get close with a 9.3" some would say. You have to get close with a Heym 500 NE, too. A poorly placed shot from a 500 NE is no better than a poorly-placed shot from a 9.3. I wouldn't advocate someone buying a 9.3 is their "DG" rifle, but as a PG rifle that, with A Frames or North Forks, will work very well on a PG hunt where there might also be an opportunity for a buff, as I recently did in Limpopo. A 30 or 40 yard quartering away shot, buff ran off another 30 or 4 yards, crashed, gave its bellow within a couple seconds. That said, better to bring a 9.3 that you can shoot accurately and under pressure than anything bigger.
@@ACPvisuals x64 may have been designed for it, but it was the x62 which enjoyed widespread adoption. The x62 preceded the x64 by a bit more than 20 years and was already in broad use by the time Brenneke's creation came along.
Excellent presentation as always from you Desert Dog. I never used to even think about hunting Africa but through your channel I do find it more and more interesting.
I have watched a number of those clips that you showed DD. The professional hunters are so very understated but definitive. One of Kevin Rebertsons statements if I remember correctly was that one of the PH students on a course used a Ruger No1 in .416 REM Mag and on a qualification shoot scored the highest the instructor team had seen. Know your rifle, is a must. Great video. Whilst I will probably never shoot in Africa I own a Ruger No1 in .416 and regularly shoot other No1’s for deer. 🇬🇧
You're probably right about the nod to the .375 H&H. Of course, the 9.3x62 has less felt recoil. ** Obviously, I'm not alone in my admiration for 9.3x62. I'm sure European clients would lean more towards the "9"
@@martinstiastny7679 Once again, this is just speculation, but I've encountered several German hunters in Africa. They had either 470NE doubles or Blazers with 416RM barrels.
@@martinstiastny7679j utilise le 9.3x62 pour chasser en battue cerf sanglier.. paraîtrait qu il y a plus de pénétration sur un buffle avec un 9.3 qu avec un 375hh c est un guide de chasse qui le disait
30-06 and 375H&H is all you will ever need. What many dont know is that 7mm is the minimum caliber for Plainsgame in Namibia and for anything larger than Springbok in South Africa, not that many abide by that law.
Thank you once again for giving us the real deal perspective. Though I'm new to hunting big game, an African safari is on the wishlist and I definitely wouldn't want to go there and make a fool of myself. This video helps!
My preferred calibre is 8x68S H-Mantel 12,3 g with a 1917 Mauser system, which I use to hunt moose in Scandinavia (approx. 550 kg live weight), all of which are in the bang. Legendary precision (68 cm precision barrel from Heym, customised stock and dry standing shotgun trigger from Timney). Shoots as smooth as butter. 😊👍⭐️
And in India / East Pakistan it was much similar ones much used by visitors also, and after ww2 the 10,,75x68 was one much carried by visitors . But the bullets were not so good . But .375,.458,.500,.505, NEs and BPE aswell as shotgun with slugs and Brenneke much liked .
Very informative article for the uninitiated “Africa hunting rifles” reader. I’ve hunted since I was 12 years old, but never hunted with anything larger than a 30-06.
Hey DD, for those looking to go on their first African safari, could you maybe do videos in a series of what to expect, tips and tricks you have learned, price variation in countries, anything else that may be helpful. I know you have a couple of them already posted. Just thinking that maybe you could expand more on the topics and what is to be expected to make a trip go smoothly and it be enjoyable. Also, would like a video to hear your thoughts on the 9.3x62 or any 9.3 cartridges
I have 30-378 and 375rum. Waiting for 458lott for narwhals and beluga. I hunt in deep water and I don't want to lose them and I hunt along on the boat solo hunt. Rather have stronger calibers.
MRC made left handed crf actions. I’m assuming that the new be owners will hopefully be building them. They are a pre 64/98 type Used rifles can be hard to find by MRC in Lh but they are out there.
I’ve owned and reloaded for many rifles. From .222 to .505 Gibbs. My favorite is the .375. Recoil, starting at the .375 is a step up from the .300s mags and it grows as you go up. If you can’t shoot the rifle without flinching or are afraid then don’t buy it or hunt with it. You’ll only wound or miss the animal which is something you don’t want to do. Stick with what you are comfortable with and shoot well.
458 Win is definitely adequate for all DG. The problem is that the 416s deliver more energy, with better ballistics and less recoil.than the 458 Win Mag. The 458 cartridges don't show an improvement over the 416s until you get to the 458 Lott.
Truth be told, the majority of PHs carry a 458 Win. The ammo is available and they can afford the rifles. In a perfect world, that world is only in the "after life", is it their dream caliber? No. The reality is that PHs do not walk through the bush with $100 bills falling out of their pockets. Add to that they mostly live in countries where guns and ammo are very restricted and in very short supply. Then add in the cost of living (housing, fuel, food, schooling for children, divorce [PHing is hard on a marriage], vehicle, etc.) few will have their dream rifle. The 458 checks many of the boxes. Most will not recommend it to a visiting client, for many reasons. Most clients don't shoot enough with a heavy rifle, nobody shoots as well with open sites as they do with a scope, most don't carry a heavy rifle on a long trek without getting tired (it's hard to shoot accurately with tired arms, legs, back). A PH wants that first shot to be accurate and killing. When things get bad the PH really doesn't want the client around. Nobody wants to be shot in the back by a panicked client. It's bad for the longevity of the career. But the 458 is still good at stopping a charge. The absolute best way to stop a charge is to never let it get started. Make that first shot count.
@@marcuspiera I think a lot of that bad name came from the Winchester M70 "four-five-eight" rifles being very inexpensive, relatively speaking, that African game departments bought a lot of them and so bought ammo by the pallet and stored it in a hot, humid warehouse.
Great info i live in oregon would love to hunt Africa i meet a guy here who born a nd raised S Africa a hunter i asked him what cal. He used and smiled and said .30-06 will take all but the big 5 and would work with bullet placement but legally .375 min government say. Plus the working man of S Africa cant afford the big rifles and permits to with it
I am left handed it's easy to find that second trigger. My first deer was taken with a double barrel with both barrels. I don't think I have ever shot anything since with a kick like that.
Hello, my African/Alaskan rifle is actually a pair. I have two Remington 700 Lss one in .300 rum the other in .375 rum. I hade a custom case made for the pair they both have NOS leupold 4-12 ×50 silver scopes(impossible to find) the .300 rum has been hunted with a successful elk hunt the .375 is NOS. Both rifles wear brakes and weigh about 10# fully dressed. If I could only have one rifle in one chambering it would be a .375 ruger in one of the ruger rifle designs. I have a .300 rcm in the Ruger Guide Gun and it is awsome. Thanks for the videos!!!
@Paul-k5l1k They can deal with it. If I am using the Rums they will be braked. I do have other options besides the Rum but to be honest electronic hearing protection works well and can be worn the entire hunt.
PHs know that most clients do not shoot enough heavy loads in medium and large bores to be truly proficient. So they want most clients using the smaller medium bores like the .375. I have only hunted Dangerous Game once, but put 600 rounds downrange in preparation, with 458 Win, 458 Lott, 470 Nitro, 450-400 Nitro and and 450 Dakota. I used the 450 Dakota with a 550gr Woodleigh on my Cape Buffalo. You really cannot practice too much! And practice the way you are likely to shoot when hunting. For DG, that means standing on your hind feet, with and without shooting sticks. And don't forget reload practice!
500 Jeffery. At caliber .510, it's slightly larger than the caliber .505 Gibbs. With its slightly rebated rim and potential extraction problems related to it, the 500J has fallen a bit out of favor relative to 505 Gibbs and 500 NE.
Dakota Arms, but they went out of business when Remington started having problems about two years ago. They are now known as Parkwest Arms. These are very high end rifles. Lots of used Dakotas on the market.
@@slimymurican8246 Thank you for the comment. I don't believe fierce rifles are control round feed at all with me looking at the images. I could be wrong.
I'm not going to Africa, in fact, I don't want to leave Alaska anymore. I got the big bore fever a few years ago and started collecting model 70 Winchesters like 375 H&H, 458 Win Mag and 416 Rem. Recently purchased a Rizzini double in 470 NE. I shoot the 375 off the bench but shoot the heavier recoiling rifles off sticks. I don't hunt big game anymore, so I guess these are my target rifles.
@@jasonmarquez5776 I have never shot a grizzly but I've lived in Alaska for 50 years and worked in a gun shop for 6. So, all I can give is my personal opinion. One of my friends has shot around 80 bears and this is what he told me. "The bigger the rifle, the longer they stay down on the ground (when hit). Many times they fall down, then get back up and start running. Keep shooting." Personally, I think the 375 H&H is a good caliber but some guys think it is the minimum caliber. Shoot good bullets like the Swift 300gr. I just ordered Swift 400 grainers for the 416. I mentioned having a 416 Rem. Another friend told me the recoil with this caliber was substantial. I'm glad I talked to him before sitting down at the bench. I was very much surprised when I touched one off. That's why I put it on sticks. I'm 71 and haven't shot much lately. You've got to work into these heavy calibers. If I had a run in with Griz, I'd rather have a rifle that I can handle like the 375 H&H. When they start swinging their head back and forth, jumping up and down and woofing, you'll be glad you had that rifle. I'm glad you didn't ask me about shotguns and slugs. No, no, no! Good luck to you, you made the right choice.
@@jasonmarquez5776 Nott sure why RUclips removed my first comment but: 9,3×62 is the most popuular dedicated calibre fpr bear hunters in Nordic countries and 9×53mmR in Russia. 8×57 is seeinbg a revitalization witth people who hunt both wild boars and brown bears. If youu see .308WIN, 6,5 Creedmoor, 6,5×55 Swede, 7.62×54mmR or .30-06 Springfield being mentioned, thats because those are generalist rounds thatt alow yoi hunt everything from red foxes to grouses annd moose or brown bear. You're not allowed to hunt until you pass the "charging bear test": björnskytte in Swedish or karhukoe in Finnish. You can also find more footage under björnpasset and ammuntakoe. Hope that helps.
You mentioned in another video about how hunters and ph unsafely carry their rifles over their shoulders holding on the end of muzzle. After watching a zillion African hunting videos, everyone carries their rifles in that unsafe position. Is safety a dying element of the hunt? I’m planning a hunt and beginning to have second thoughts with all the unsafe gun handling. Great video and thanks.
For reading : A Hunter's Wanderings in Africa by Frederick Courteney Selous a Rhodesian big gamenhunter. Interestingis his observation that the flesh of a lion is rather delicious
What about handguns? A buffalo have been shot with a 10mm. I would not go and try that. I have a Super Blackhawk 44mag 7½ inch barrel and shoot Hornady XTP 300 grain. Hornady make now a 240grain DGH round. Have not try it but it look like an option.
Illegal in countries with ethical hunting laws. You'd likely be hunting on a private ranch over a man-made water-trough with supermarket produce on the ground. They'll then drag your Buff off to the side, next to some bushes, so you can get a picture and tell everyone on the internet how awesome the hunt was. Just buy a rifle what puts over 5,000 ft/lbs on the animal, and hunt a real free-range buff.
Interesting to listen to Doc Kevin Robinson when the client had a "finger nail/claw extractor " fail on her when attempting to reload on a cow elephant hunt i personally believe this malfunction is coursed by the practice of placing a cartridge in the chamber then sliding the bolt forward and pushing the extractor over the rim which may damage it rather than picking the cartridge up from the magazine and sliding the extractor over the rim which it is designed to do all because one wants that extra cartridge my thoughts
That’s not a factor. In fact the extractor design is intended to be pushed over the cartridge rim. The real problem with those tiny extractors is that the extractors are not strong enough to withstand the forces on big bore rifles. If what you are saying was true, everyone shooting Remington 700’s in all calibers would experience extractor failures. If you try to find a new Remington 700 in a big bore caliber, you will not find one or it will have an M16 style extractor.
The extractor and design is the weak point. It won't live through continued use with powerful cartridges. Even though Remington released the 416 Rem Mag as "their" dangerous game cartridge; Remington had to quickly stop chambering the M700 in it because of broken extractor issues. Winchester adopted the 416 Rem and the rest is history.
I’m curious how many Mauser extractors broke during the great wars considering they had a magazine shut off to load single rounds and do just as you said, I’m not aware of a mass amount of them breaking due to loading baby hand and closing extractor over the case.
@@45-70Guy Never have I seen a magazine cut off on a 98 Mauser. The extractor was ONLY designed to feed from the magazine. It was not beveled to close over a chambered round.
Valuble coversation around the guns. And so was the video , why you dont hunt lions whith archery tackle. Was the shot taking out top shoulders intended to be lower? Question is about lead ??
Me Myself, I am partial to and reccomend a Model 70 Chambered in .416 Rigby, but the Overhead Cost of Ownership is beyond the Average Hunter's Means... The Initial Cost of The Ammunition and The Rifle Itself is somewhat overwhelming to most...Then while figuring costs you must include the Necessity of Retaining a Full Medical Staff, The Equipment and the Medications, to have them on hand at all times while Practicing or actually Hunting , to Reset one's Shoulder after each Shot.... This is out for reach of most people...
I once asked Jack Hanna what Hunting Rifles and what Big Bore Calibers most Professional Hunters and Enthusiasts use over in Africa to take "The Big 5"... His Eyes Teared Up, He Pissed His Pants, Then He Eventually Turned 180° And Awkwardly Ran Away Shreaking While His Arms Hung Down Vertically At His Sides.... Haha!
DD, these are great honest PH conversations about their client’s DG rifle/caliber choices.
My takeaway was that most of the African PH’s prefer to see 375’s and 416’s, with a few who were okay with clients using 458’s or greater, “if” the client could actually use the rifle and deal with the recoil. They made a point of saying a hunter should not only practice with his DG rifle a good amount but also get used to shooting off sticks!
I saw a few PH’s using irons, one with a red dot, but most were using LPVO’s!
DD, you outdid yourself on researching this collection of PH videos and interviews; I have seen most of these guys in hunting videos but you managed to find some interesting footage that’s certainly off the beaten path!
Again, you set a new standard for yourself with this one! Thanks for sharing!
Take care and be well!
I would suggest a .416 Remington. Why? Reliable power and a usually less expensive rifle if on a budget. If looking for something smaller I would suggest the 8mm.
Very interesting. I loved reading Finn Aagaard stories about Africa and his take on such matters. I never went to Africa and I doubt that I ever will but it is fun to read about and listen to those who have.
Finn🙌
Finn Aagaard was the best!!
Silaspierre for you : The 9.3x62 Mauser was built by German gunmaker Otto Bock.This calibre was spesifically designed by Bock for the German farmers and big game hunters in German East Africa. If you have this gun you do not need anything else
@@alwynburger23 It would seem as though modern professional hunters in Africa don't agree.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 - more of them than you probably realize. The only shortcoming of the 9.3 is it isn't legal everywhere even though it gives up no practical ground to 375 H&H. There's maybe 400-500 ft lbs of difference in KE between them in factory loads. The practiced hand loader can make them identical.
Neither of them are stoppers, and you need to be selective above your shot angle with either of them. A strong quartering-to shot is a bad idea with both of them. A raking shot from the left with either of them is a bad idea as well, as neither of them will penetrate the rumen.
I have a 375H&H and a 9.3x62. There is no practical difference between them. If I'm going on a dedicated DG hunt, I'll bring my 404 Jeffery.
"You have to get close with a 9.3" some would say. You have to get close with a Heym 500 NE, too. A poorly placed shot from a 500 NE is no better than a poorly-placed shot from a 9.3.
I wouldn't advocate someone buying a 9.3 is their "DG" rifle, but as a PG rifle that, with A Frames or North Forks, will work very well on a PG hunt where there might also be an opportunity for a buff, as I recently did in Limpopo. A 30 or 40 yard quartering away shot, buff ran off another 30 or 4 yards, crashed, gave its bellow within a couple seconds.
That said, better to bring a 9.3 that you can shoot accurately and under pressure than anything bigger.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113untrue, 9,3 is super popular among many PH's and guides in Africa
It was the 9.3X64 that was developed for African big game not 62
@@ACPvisuals x64 may have been designed for it, but it was the x62 which enjoyed widespread adoption. The x62 preceded the x64 by a bit more than 20 years and was already in broad use by the time Brenneke's creation came along.
Kevin Robertson is a wealth of knowledge and a Gentleman , as is Peter Wood .
Both are Outstanding .
Yep, that Peter wood interview is one of my favorites.
We will miss doc Robertson . The inputs he gave to the Ph community made him a legend . He also started the best Ph school in Africa .
@@nickvanderhoven4562 Did we lose him ???
Excellent presentation as always from you Desert Dog. I never used to even think about hunting Africa but through your channel I do find it more and more interesting.
I have watched a number of those clips that you showed DD. The professional hunters are so very understated but definitive. One of Kevin Rebertsons statements if I remember correctly was that one of the PH students on a course used a Ruger No1 in .416 REM Mag and on a qualification shoot scored the highest the instructor team had seen. Know your rifle, is a must. Great video. Whilst I will probably never shoot in Africa I own a Ruger No1 in .416 and regularly shoot other No1’s for deer. 🇬🇧
I love your channel you are a factual and informative guy.
I've seen a few of these videos before. Sage advice and thanks for sharing!
not a single mention of the 9.3x62 mm , ive only heard Dr Kevin Robertson mention it
Just speculating, but PHs probably like clients to take advantage of the bump in energy that the 375 H&H provides.
Very interesting. Like to see full interview of the examples you showed
Kind regards and merry Xmas to you and your family
New Brunswick Canada 🇨🇦
You're probably right about the nod to the .375 H&H. Of course, the 9.3x62 has less felt recoil. ** Obviously, I'm not alone in my admiration for 9.3x62.
I'm sure European clients would lean more towards the "9"
@@martinstiastny7679 Once again, this is just speculation, but I've encountered several German hunters in Africa. They had either 470NE doubles or Blazers with 416RM barrels.
@@martinstiastny7679j utilise le 9.3x62 pour chasser en battue cerf sanglier.. paraîtrait qu il y a plus de pénétration sur un buffle avec un 9.3 qu avec un 375hh c est un guide de chasse qui le disait
Truthful, well-researched, and to-the-point...
This video is the exact opposite of American news! 😂
30-06 and 375H&H is all you will ever need. What many dont know is that 7mm is the minimum caliber for Plainsgame in Namibia and for anything larger than Springbok in South Africa, not that many abide by that law.
Your previous series of Africa hunting videos helped me tremendously when i went in 2019.
Thank you once again for giving us the real deal perspective. Though I'm new to hunting big game, an African safari is on the wishlist and I definitely wouldn't want to go there and make a fool of myself. This video helps!
Good one DD. Great advice to also apply here Down Under with Asian Water Buffalo & Banteng.
Really liked this one. Its interesting to learn about hunting in areas that I'll never hunt in.
As allways: Thank you very much for the great content!
Great video DD. I've always liked the topic of big guns and hunting African game. Thanks.
That was a great video DD. Some hunting luminaries on there. Those boys that were talking have put a lot of big mean animals in the salt
Love the Tractor Supply Company hat!
Looking forward to watching this in my Barbershop! Also, love the war clubs, maybe you can do a video on those 🧐😁
Both the 375 H&H and 416 Rigby came out in 1912... The British sorted this debate 112 years ago...
I agree.
@desertdogoutdoors1113 Gidday from New Zealand... I shoot both of these. I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work...
@@MBCGRS
What at? Stoats?
@glennllewellyn7369 A little big for rabbits and a little small for Elephant. But everything in-between...
Nobody here speaks about 404Jefferey..but is much better than 375H&H and very close to 416.. lower recoil, so much easier to shoot under stress
Probably because it is so hard to find nowadays. Great round though.
404 has a nice rolling recoil. That would be my choice.
Love the show keep it up...
This was excellent!
My preferred calibre is 8x68S H-Mantel 12,3 g with a 1917 Mauser system, which I use to hunt moose in Scandinavia (approx. 550 kg live weight), all of which are in the bang. Legendary precision (68 cm precision barrel from Heym, customised stock and dry standing shotgun trigger from Timney). Shoots as smooth as butter. 😊👍⭐️
I second the war club video, I'm really interested in them
"It takes a lot of practice." Col. Boddington nails it. I would take my 416 if I ever get to go.
And in India / East Pakistan it was much similar ones much used by visitors also, and after ww2 the 10,,75x68 was one much carried by visitors . But the bullets were not so good . But .375,.458,.500,.505, NEs and BPE aswell as shotgun with slugs and Brenneke much liked .
Very informative article for the uninitiated “Africa hunting rifles” reader. I’ve hunted since I was 12 years old, but never hunted with anything larger than a 30-06.
Same.
...and Glenn is a great name!
African plains game, from Impala to Eland, the forgotten 8mm Remington Magnum. Used this caliber from 1995 - 2019.
What about the original 8mm Mauser
Hey DD, for those looking to go on their first African safari, could you maybe do videos in a series of what to expect, tips and tricks you have learned, price variation in countries, anything else that may be helpful. I know you have a couple of them already posted. Just thinking that maybe you could expand more on the topics and what is to be expected to make a trip go smoothly and it be enjoyable.
Also, would like a video to hear your thoughts on the 9.3x62 or any 9.3 cartridges
I have 30-378 and 375rum. Waiting for 458lott for narwhals and beluga. I hunt in deep water and I don't want to lose them and I hunt along on the boat solo hunt. Rather have stronger calibers.
How about more advice on what to bring for hunting plain? The only mention was for a 300 magnum
@@Idahoguy10157 Email some PHs and ask.
please do a video on the 404 Jeffery!
I second your request
Third!
My self!!!
A 300 Win Mag and 416 Remington is about perfect. Been their several times. The 375 H&H is the minimum in some areas for big game.
Very good video.
I wonder how many Rem 700's changed to Sako style extractors with that long standing problem.
You should talk about the iconic browning bar rifle in your videos the hunting version
I'm an old dinosaur! I like the old 458 Win. Mag.
If the stock fits the shooter properly, the recoil is very tolerable.
Agree 100%.
Great video
My choice for Africa from small to big.
- 7x57
- 8x57 IS
- 9,3x62
- 10,75x68
- 11,2x72
- 12,7x70
When in doubt ask your PH what he suggests. More importantly practice, practice offhand, practice off shooting sticks, practice.
MRC made left handed crf actions. I’m assuming that the new be owners will hopefully be building them. They are a pre 64/98 type Used rifles can be hard to find by MRC in Lh but they are out there.
Not really interested in an Africa hunt. But willing to listen and leave a comment.
I’ve owned and reloaded for many rifles. From .222 to .505 Gibbs. My favorite is the .375. Recoil, starting at the .375 is a step up from the .300s mags and it grows as you go up. If you can’t shoot the rifle without flinching or are afraid then don’t buy it or hunt with it. You’ll only wound or miss the animal which is something you don’t want to do. Stick with what you are comfortable with and shoot well.
Thanks for compiling this.
Exellent Video as Always
458 win seems to still be out of favor. Very adequate for dangerous game
458 Win is definitely adequate for all DG. The problem is that the 416s deliver more energy, with better ballistics and less recoil.than the 458 Win Mag. The 458 cartridges don't show an improvement over the 416s until you get to the 458 Lott.
The win mag got a very bad name that it will probably never really get rid of. Saying that they do well with modern powders and 400-450gr bullets.
Truth be told, the majority of PHs carry a 458 Win. The ammo is available and they can afford the rifles. In a perfect world, that world is only in the "after life", is it their dream caliber? No. The reality is that PHs do not walk through the bush with $100 bills falling out of their pockets. Add to that they mostly live in countries where guns and ammo are very restricted and in very short supply. Then add in the cost of living (housing, fuel, food, schooling for children, divorce [PHing is hard on a marriage], vehicle, etc.) few will have their dream rifle. The 458 checks many of the boxes. Most will not recommend it to a visiting client, for many reasons. Most clients don't shoot enough with a heavy rifle, nobody shoots as well with open sites as they do with a scope, most don't carry a heavy rifle on a long trek without getting tired (it's hard to shoot accurately with tired arms, legs, back). A PH wants that first shot to be accurate and killing. When things get bad the PH really doesn't want the client around. Nobody wants to be shot in the back by a panicked client. It's bad for the longevity of the career. But the 458 is still good at stopping a charge. The absolute best way to stop a charge is to never let it get started. Make that first shot count.
@@marcuspiera I think a lot of that bad name came from the Winchester M70 "four-five-eight" rifles being very inexpensive, relatively speaking, that African game departments bought a lot of them and so bought ammo by the pallet and stored it in a hot, humid warehouse.
Great info i live in oregon would love to hunt Africa i meet a guy here who born a nd raised S Africa a hunter i asked him what cal. He used and smiled and said .30-06 will take all but the big 5 and would work with bullet placement but legally .375 min government say. Plus the working man of S Africa cant afford the big rifles and permits to with it
Cracking channel, you cannot beat the 505 gibbs
I am left handed it's easy to find that second trigger. My first deer was taken with a double barrel with both barrels. I don't think I have ever shot anything since with a kick like that.
Tell us more please!
Seeing that buffalo skull on your table helped me appreciate just how big they really are!
Hello, my African/Alaskan rifle is actually a pair. I have two Remington 700 Lss one in .300 rum the other in .375 rum. I hade a custom case made for the pair they both have NOS leupold 4-12 ×50 silver scopes(impossible to find) the .300 rum has been hunted with a successful elk hunt the .375 is NOS. Both rifles wear brakes and weigh about 10# fully dressed. If I could only have one rifle in one chambering it would be a .375 ruger in one of the ruger rifle designs. I have a .300 rcm in the Ruger Guide Gun and it is awsome. Thanks for the videos!!!
For the sake of the crew accompanying you during your African hunt, lose the muzzle brakes. Your PH will thank you.
@Paul-k5l1k They can deal with it. If I am using the Rums they will be braked. I do have other options besides the Rum but to be honest electronic hearing protection works well and can be worn the entire hunt.
@@bkb5668 Have you actually taken them and hunted with them in Africa with the brakes on?
Grazie bellissimo video e molto esplicativo.
PHs know that most clients do not shoot enough heavy loads in medium and large bores to be truly proficient. So they want most clients using the smaller medium bores like the .375.
I have only hunted Dangerous Game once, but put 600 rounds downrange in preparation, with 458 Win, 458 Lott, 470 Nitro, 450-400 Nitro and and 450 Dakota. I used the 450 Dakota with a 550gr Woodleigh on my Cape Buffalo.
You really cannot practice too much! And practice the way you are likely to shoot when hunting. For DG, that means standing on your hind feet, with and without shooting sticks. And don't forget reload practice!
Belle video! De belles armes pour l Afrique : jean Paul Ridon
Merci
Love the classic 505 GIBBS AND 505 Jeffrey
500 Jeffery. At caliber .510, it's slightly larger than the caliber .505 Gibbs. With its slightly rebated rim and potential extraction problems related to it, the 500J has fallen a bit out of favor relative to 505 Gibbs and 500 NE.
@ whoops sorry I’ve meant to say 500 Jeffrey that darn auto correct lol
North fork tech, cup point bullets
Any thoughts on the .458 Lott?
Subscribe to my channel and watch my video on the history and relevance of the 458 Lott.
Please if you don't mind me asking.
Is there any company besides Ruger with its Ruger m77 that makes a left hand control round feed?
Look for a Montana 1999 rifle or action. Or contact the new owners and see if they plan to make them
I think the Fierce firearms CT rogue has a left hand model and uses a controlled round feed
Dakota Arms, but they went out of business when Remington started having problems about two years ago. They are now known as Parkwest Arms. These are very high end rifles. Lots of used Dakotas on the market.
@@slimymurican8246 Thank you for the comment.
I don't believe fierce rifles are control round feed at all with me looking at the images.
I could be wrong.
Zastava makes left-handed versions of Mauser 98. And they also come in some african game chamberings.
I'm not going to Africa, in fact, I don't want to leave Alaska anymore. I got the big bore fever a few years ago and started collecting model 70 Winchesters like 375 H&H, 458 Win Mag and 416 Rem. Recently purchased a Rizzini double in 470 NE. I shoot the 375 off the bench but shoot the heavier recoiling rifles off sticks. I don't hunt big game anymore, so I guess these are my target rifles.
I'm looking at a 375 H&H for grizzly bear protection in British Columbia. Do you have any input from Alaska? Cheers from Canada. 🇨🇦
@@jasonmarquez5776 I have never shot a grizzly but I've lived in Alaska for 50 years and worked in a gun shop for 6. So, all I can give is my personal opinion. One of my friends has shot around 80 bears and this is what he told me. "The bigger the rifle, the longer they stay down on the ground (when hit). Many times they fall down, then get back up and start running. Keep shooting." Personally, I think the 375 H&H is a good caliber but some guys think it is the minimum caliber. Shoot good bullets like the Swift 300gr. I just ordered Swift 400 grainers for the 416.
I mentioned having a 416 Rem. Another friend told me the recoil with this caliber was substantial. I'm glad I talked to him before sitting down at the bench. I was very much surprised when I touched one off. That's why I put it on sticks. I'm 71 and haven't shot much lately. You've got to work into these heavy calibers. If I had a run in with Griz, I'd rather have a rifle that I can handle like the 375 H&H. When they start swinging their head back and forth, jumping up and down and woofing, you'll be glad you had that rifle. I'm glad you didn't ask me about shotguns and slugs. No, no, no! Good luck to you, you made the right choice.
@@jasonmarquez5776 Nott sure why RUclips removed my first comment but:
9,3×62 is the most popuular dedicated calibre fpr bear hunters in Nordic countries and 9×53mmR in Russia. 8×57 is seeinbg a revitalization witth people who hunt both wild boars and brown bears. If youu see .308WIN, 6,5 Creedmoor, 6,5×55 Swede, 7.62×54mmR or .30-06 Springfield being mentioned, thats because those are generalist rounds thatt alow yoi hunt everything from red foxes to grouses annd moose or brown bear.
You're not allowed to hunt until you pass the "charging bear test": björnskytte in Swedish or karhukoe in Finnish. You can also find more footage under björnpasset and ammuntakoe.
Hope that helps.
@@jasonmarquez5776 9,3×62 is the most popular in Nordic; and 9×53mmR in Russia. Look up "björnskytte".
You mentioned in another video about how hunters and ph unsafely carry their rifles over their shoulders holding on the end of muzzle. After watching a zillion African hunting videos, everyone carries their rifles in that unsafe position. Is safety a dying element of the hunt? I’m planning a hunt and beginning to have second thoughts with all the unsafe gun handling. Great video and thanks.
That's the traditional "Africa carry," and has been that way for decades upon decades.
@ This practice violates every safety protocol. Tradition or not. Even DD himself noted it some time ago and won’t own up to it.
.577NE , .450NE, .375 H&H, .303 British
Many hunters go thru a stage of knowing better. Some don't
nice shirt.
460 Weatherby with solid copper bullets. Good for Cape Buffalo and Dogman. LOL.
For reading : A Hunter's Wanderings in Africa by Frederick Courteney Selous a Rhodesian big gamenhunter. Interestingis his observation that the flesh of a lion is rather delicious
In Zimbabwe and Zambia, lion meat is always consumed by the locals after a kill.
What about handguns? A buffalo have been shot with a 10mm. I would not go and try that. I have a Super Blackhawk 44mag 7½ inch barrel and shoot Hornady XTP 300 grain. Hornady make now a 240grain DGH round. Have not try it but it look like an option.
Illegal in countries with ethical hunting laws. You'd likely be hunting on a private ranch over a man-made water-trough with supermarket produce on the ground. They'll then drag your Buff off to the side, next to some bushes, so you can get a picture and tell everyone on the internet how awesome the hunt was. Just buy a rifle what puts over 5,000 ft/lbs on the animal, and hunt a real free-range buff.
Nice topic!
Interesting to listen to Doc Kevin Robinson when the client had a "finger nail/claw extractor " fail on her when attempting to reload on a cow elephant hunt i personally believe this malfunction is coursed by the practice of placing a cartridge in the chamber then sliding the bolt forward and pushing the extractor over the rim which may damage it rather than picking the cartridge up from the magazine and sliding the extractor over the rim which it is designed to do all because one wants that extra cartridge my thoughts
That’s not a factor. In fact the extractor design is intended to be pushed over the cartridge rim.
The real problem with those tiny extractors is that the extractors are not strong enough to withstand the forces on big bore rifles.
If what you are saying was true, everyone shooting Remington 700’s in all calibers would experience extractor failures. If you try to find a new Remington 700 in a big bore caliber, you will not find one or it will have an M16 style extractor.
The extractor and design is the weak point. It won't live through continued use with powerful cartridges. Even though Remington released the 416 Rem Mag as "their" dangerous game cartridge; Remington had to quickly stop chambering the M700 in it because of broken extractor issues. Winchester adopted the 416 Rem and the rest is history.
I’m curious how many Mauser extractors broke during the great wars considering they had a magazine shut off to load single rounds and do just as you said, I’m not aware of a mass amount of them breaking due to loading baby hand and closing extractor over the case.
And how else would a push feed Remington, or any other push feed, work?
@@45-70Guy Never have I seen a magazine cut off on a 98 Mauser. The extractor was ONLY designed to feed from the magazine. It was not beveled to close over a chambered round.
How about handgun?
@pete-mz9vr Outside the game farms in South Africa, Most PHs despise people using handguns on dangerous game.
416 Rigby will smoke anything.
Valuble coversation around the guns. And so was the video , why you dont hunt lions whith archery tackle. Was the shot taking out top shoulders intended to be lower? Question is about lead ??
Seeing this and Trump at Notre Dame, made my day. Thank you!
416. Ригби - калибр для всех охот
300 win mag best of them all
i would be wearing a black eye for months if i put a scope on a .458.
That's why long eye relief exists.
What about the Parker hale 300 win. mag .ya he just said he loves 300 win.mag.
Heard that. Probably payed attn bc I have one. Favorites work like that, what you have. I'm very broad minded.
Peter Hathaway Capstick is a good African hunter writer.
Bullshit. He shot most of his Elephant at the bar. Stood on the shoulders of giants.
Io credo che 458 WM sia il passepartout africano
Me Myself, I am partial to and reccomend a Model 70 Chambered in .416 Rigby,
but the Overhead Cost of Ownership is beyond the Average Hunter's Means... The Initial Cost of The Ammunition and The Rifle Itself is somewhat overwhelming to most...Then while figuring costs you must include the Necessity of Retaining a Full Medical Staff, The Equipment and the Medications, to have them on hand at all times while Practicing or actually Hunting , to Reset one's Shoulder after each Shot.... This is out for reach of most people...
And do you have one?
22 Mag. and your overgunned
375H&H and please carry your rifle dont hang it on your shoulder by the barrel , very stupid habit, just saying.
Dangerous game: 416 rigby. If you cannot handle the recoil then stay home.
Plains game: 7mm rem mag or 300 winmag will down anything if you can shoot
No body like the 577Tyrannosaur?
Seems like a borderline meme round, even the name suggests it's overkill for any game which actually exists.
I once asked Jack Hanna what Hunting Rifles and what Big Bore Calibers most Professional Hunters and Enthusiasts use over in Africa to take "The Big 5"... His Eyes Teared Up, He Pissed His Pants, Then He Eventually Turned 180° And Awkwardly Ran Away Shreaking While His Arms Hung Down Vertically At His Sides.... Haha!
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Williams & 375 rule.
What's all this 375 416 stuff.. 458 lott is king over there but only for real men
416 rem offhand loading single shot out to 100 yards with red dot?
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