We are wasting time with these debates. There is a whole world outside to bring to Christ. Christianity is righteousness that comes by faith from first to last (Rom 1:17). All else comes in between.
Sounds like something a Prot would say when he can't prove the teachings he holds to. So, we should just bring people into any form of "Christianity" even if it's false? There is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church. Defending the Church & thus bringing others into it is far from wasted time.
The core message has never faltered throughout both Catholic Orthodox and Protestant teaching . Christ died, and Christ rose from the dead. The heat of th Gospel.
@@augustvonmacksen2526this is kinda faulty bc not everybody what's the gospel from the Bible. In fact many people who believe in Christ don't read the Bible at all. The Bible isn't a necessity. Believing in Jesus Christ and repenting of sins is a necessity and doing so usually inspires one to read the Bible. But you can do all of the spiritual work without a copy of the Bible and just through the oral tradition.
Whole family grew up catholic and none of us were saved none of us knew Jesus and it wasn’t until we read the gospels for ourselves did we truly know him. It wasn’t the Catholic church that saved us, it was Jesus that saved us and Jesus who gets the glory and deserves our worship. No man or woman besides him will ever be worthy. Fight about your denominations all you want just know that you do it for yourselves because it does nothing for his Kingdom
It’s really not. Even Paul was fearful of his eternal salvation. 1 Corinthians 9:27 This is the KJV- 66 books, Some were removed, nonetheless ‘But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway’ Why would he be worried about subjecting his body daily or less he be considered a castaway? Better go back and reread the letters to the churches, what about revelation? Jesus Christ warns them, again! Revelation 3:16, is only 1 example. If you believe in once saved always saved, you’re listening to preachers instead of reading your Bible. You’re reading into the text your own ideas. There is something spiritual about Protestants who listen to other Protestants instead of reading the early Christians and what they believed. Saint Ignatius wrote an epistle to the Ephesians, that’s a good place to read. Maybe read Cyril of Jerusalem, the first Catecheses. Compare it to the Catechsis of the church today. Learn your Christian heritage. Read Josephus War of the Jews before the temple fell, he wrote about what happened after it happened, the temple falling in 70AD and the wars leading up to it. Maybe there’s a reason why our history isn’t taught in Protestant church, but almost every day, the Mass touches on a part of our history, get a Catholic missal, I suggest 1 prior to 1969 because some saints have been removed, but read both then. I’m converting myself because I truly hated the CC and found out I was learning lies about it, I had to go inside to learn the truth.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy. Typical catholic misunderstanding or lying about a verse and then going away from the Bible to nonsense. You might want to read the WHOLE chapter. That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation. Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ. Not his salvation which is a GIFT. 1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL. 1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me. --A reward for preaching the Gospel. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; --Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD. And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. --Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy. Typical catholic misunderstanding or lying about a verse and then going away from the Bible to nonsense. You might want to read the WHOLE chapter. That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation. Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ. Not his salvation which is a GIFT. 1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL. 1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me. --A reward for preaching the Gospel. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; --Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD. And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. --Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy.😂 You might want to read the WHOLE chapter. That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation. Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ. Not his salvation which is a GIFT. 1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL. 1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me. --A reward for preaching the Gospel. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; --Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD. And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. --Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy. You might want to read the WHOLE chapter. That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation. Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ. Not his salvation which is a GIFT. 1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL. 1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me. --A reward for preaching the Gospel. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; --Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD. And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. --Read ALL OF ROMANS and repent.
Stop making division. It doesn't matter. Only Jesus matters. Follow his word, obey Jesus. And you're good. Quit with division. There is no way to tell if the reformation is still part of Gods plan or not.
No it's not. St. Ignatius of antioch was a early church father and put as a bishop by John. He said a true Christian takes part in the one true eucharist and if you deny it you don't inherit heaven. Which is a belief they all had which is obvious in writings from the early church fathers.
In the beginning was word and word was God and the word was with God in the beginning. The word was Yeshua. That’s your foundation. That is the truth and the life. No one goes to God but through Him. Be a servant of God as every single person was. Obedience to Him by calling out to Holy Spirit for guidance. It’s clears as day in the Bible. Open your Bible people. Study the word. In there you will find out true salvation. Let all these religions and sects fight over the claim they are the right religion but there is only one way. Only Satan causes confusion. Those who hear will hear. Old Testament and New Testament. Both points Christ. If you fight for worldly things, you will die along with the worldly things. Génesis, the 4 Gospels and Revelation tells you the beginning, the way and what will become. Get out of babylon. ✝️ Yeshua is the only being who paid for your sins. He is the only way to God. No one religion will save you but Yeshua alone. It is written.It is there for you read. In plain site. Open your book. The truth is there.
Your are right Yeshua or Jesus never called himself by his own name. You are being very críptic about your point and I think it’s a deceitful way of speaking when there is no need, when God tells us to be truthful in our intentions so I’ll wrap up by saying that the son of God came to humble himself in order to pay for our sins and create a way for redemption. Furthermore if you want to argue about placement in names in the Bible you don’t need to prove that to me. The Bible is your proof. Now if we are talking about the same salvation and redemption given to us by Jesus Christ then Amen is what we should be boasting about. Otherwise, let’s not cast pearls to swine. Weather we both think so by proceeding towards a fruitless conversation. It’s about the King of Kings and His Kingdom He offers to us to become an eternal soul. Thank you for time sir. 🙏🏼✝️ May God bless you.
As a child, these debates have made me doubt myself, my faith, and my life. Satan has had his foot in our churches for generations, and we are approaching the end times. Satan is angry, and using all he has rn. This is how he will get us to doubt our faith, and hate one another. I'm here to say, I will not. There is heresy in every Chruch, sin in every believer, and malicious altering of every Theology. God has allowed all these to happen, and he does nothing without reason or purpose. CHRIST JESUS REMAINS despite what denomination, he is the truth. A Catholic can go to hell, aswell as a Protestant or Orthodox, if he does not have Christ. Come back to Jesus, not the church. Come to Abba our Dad, not the church. If we worked together as biblical Scholars, we could unify the theologies, find the truth, and edify all; but this is just petty and selfish and I don't stand for it. Shame on all of you taking part in this nonsense.
I agree that Jesus is what matters, but a denomination gives us an outline for what a specific church believes so we know what we're getting into, people disagree with scripture, but the solution is to solve the dilemma but answering questions about scripture with scripture, not taking one verse and applying it to the entirety. There are false prophets who spread the heresy, and it's our job to point out the wolf in sheep's clothing to the flock, not avoid the problem entirely.
ur very optimistic brother but ur edging towards naïveté. what if i say i believe in Christ and trust Christ but i don’t believe He is divine or God, am i going to hell? you can’t answer that unless you make a definitive claim or give an explicit answer. but if you do answer, under what authority? scripture? do you have authority to tell me what scripture does and doesn’t mean? or maybe Jesus’s divinity isn’t a big deal. but if it is, your stuck between a rock and a hard place on trying bring me to Christ. every one sins! every church has heresy! all theology is corrupted! sounds like ur playing for the other team pal. idk about u but when Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against His Church, i believe Him. you can’t have Christ without His body, the Church is the Body of Christ, and the Body of Christ is NOT divided. Praise God, may His prayer of unity be a hope to all seeking His face🙏🏽
Very impressed with your writing seeing your young! Keep it up. I feel this same sentiment, i even catch myself being mad at other branches but God teaches us that we have to love ALL. we are all sinners we are all bad, but because of him we are saved. I was raised catholic and found myself confessing to another human with just as many transgressions as me. I prefer to confess to my lord. He is Lord. I wish we could figure out the schisms because in my humble opinion all it does it distract us from his word. I just wish we could all find peace, I’m sure God seeing a Catholic bringing down a Protestant seeing we’re all his perfect creations wouldn’t make him happy but that’s just my opinion. Still finding out a lot about my faith but it’s very interesting to me just how divided we all are as Christians. May we continue to have our eyes open and reading his word. God bless you All
I think it’s preferable for Catholics and Protestants to focus their efforts on welcoming one another (Romans 14.1-4) rather than trying to figure out which is ‘right.’ What are your thoughts on that?
There is no “figuring out who’s wrong.” Protestantism is blatantly false and far too recent to have an ounce of truth. It truly matters to know if you’ve been taught a lie.
@@bevious I think you and I see the issue itself differently, luckily that is precisely the audience of Romans 14.1-4, people who disagree. My question is particularly focused on whether or not you would be willing to apply the command in Romans 14.1 to a Protestant.
@@EEchoRoom I don't reject people, but I do rebuke error for their own good. This isn't a matter of preference for a specific food but rather a denial of the truth that puts their soul in peril by believing in heresy. A healthy rebuke with truth is necessary. Titus 1:13-14 But I also do not waste my time with people that resist the truth. Matthew 10:14
Athanasius on sola scriptura. He stated our position exactly. Scripture alone, not Popes or Councils, is infallible. You also reject Councils and Popes and Patriarchs but say that you don't because the ones you reject don't count. In the early church there was no Mariolatry, no idols or icons, archbishop, no prayers to saints etc etc etc
Hmm, I'm guessing he wasn't an apostle 😉 The scriptures say the foundation is apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ as the chief corner stone. For how long? Until we come to a unity of the faith. It appears we still need them today, maybe even more than in the past. Have you checked out how many Christian churches there are!
@@Phill0old 1. That’s not true 2. You’re using Athanasius as an authority to back up sola scriptura yet disagree with him about icons. That’s very Protestant of you. Are you able to now see the detrimental effects of sola scriptura? It’s just picking and choosing.
@@kodokanshiai2143 no, he's right. Christ and the apostles had no icons, no worship of any but God The Father. Even Jesus Christ deferred and gave glory to Him. Saints weren't anything more than members of Christ's church. E.g. "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints..." Romans 1:7; So they were no one to be prayed to either.
We can either unite under the idea that Jesus Christ is the son of God the Father, and that he cane to pay thenprice for our sins. Or, wr can sit here and take shots at each other. And knowing the history of the Catholic Church; I dont think you really want to go there.
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been waiting for this comment 😂 everyone acts like they’re so high and mighty like the Catholic Church hasn’t been commuting sins for centuries. Literally no one is perfect not a single one of us is sinless. ALL OF US ARE TRASH. But because of him we’re saved. Praise him, meditate on his word, open your eyes and see it for what it truly is. His main commandment was for us to love each other, yet Christians still find a way to tear each other down. Can we all just humble ourselves and see it for what it is. We are saved because of HIM. Us relying on other sinners to tell us how to live is kinda weird when he told us HIMSELF.
St. Augustine “It is shown with sufficient clearness that the grace of God, which both begins a man’s faith and which enables it to persevere unto the end, is not given according to our merits, but is given according to His own most secret and at the same time most righteous, wise, and beneficent will; since those whom He predestinated, them He also called. When the gift of God is granted to them…none of the saints fails to keep his perseverance in holiness even to the end.” (In De Perseverantiae).
Never listen to Protestants quote Augustine... it is never in context and always an "quote" that is interpreted against Augustine's own doctrine. 1) Holy Eucharist (Transubstantiation or Real Presence) I [will] explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table. . . . That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ. (Sermon 227: A.D. 411) 2) Baptism and Baptismal Regeneration It is an excellent thing that the Punic [North African] Christians call baptism salvation and the sacrament of Christ’s body nothing else than life. Whence does this derive, except from an ancient and, as I suppose, apostolic tradition, by which the churches of Christ hold inherently that without baptism and participation at the table of the Lord it is impossible for any man to attain either to the kingdom of God or to salvation and life eternal? This is the witness of Scripture too. The sacrament of baptism is most assuredly the sacrament of regeneration. (Forgiveness and the Just Deserts of Sin, and the Baptism of Infants, A.D. 412; 1:24:34 and 2:27:43) Baptism washes away all, absolutely all our sins, whether of deed, word, or thought, whether sins original or added, whether knowingly or unknowingly contracted. (Against Two Letters of the Pelagians, A.D. 420, 3:3:5) 3) Reconciliation: Confession, Absolution, and Penance I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance. (Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed , A.D. 395; 7:15, 8:16 ) Let us not listen to those who deny that the Church of God has power to forgive all sins. (De agon. Christ., iii) In that one [Adam], as the apostles says, all have sinned. Let, then, the damnable source be rebuked, that from the mortification of rebuke may spring the will of regeneration-if, indeed, he who is rebuked is a child of promise,-in order that, by the noise of the rebuke sounding and lashing from without. . . . God may by his hidden inspiration work in him from within to will also. If, however, being already regenerate and justified, he relapses of his own will into an evil life, assuredly he cannot say, “I have not received,” because of his own free choice to evil he has lost the grace of God that he had received (On Rebuke and Grace, ch. 9).
The CC affirms that so i do not get what you think you’re getting at. Once can receive an increase in Grace from merit we receive from God. Meaning as a reward for living out the faith. God is not required to give me a reward just as I don’t have to give me daughter a “merit” for getting an A in school. It is a reward if I CHOOSE to give it to her. It doesn’t not earn your way to heaven unlike the straw man arguments from Protestants
Jesus made clear in his illustration at Matthew 13:24-30 that the Devil would commence a great apostasy shortly after the deaths of the apostles. Acts 20-29, etc. A distinction between true Christians and false Christians would not be discernable until the time of the end.
@@stormborn03Jesus only prayed to the Father, as should we, we can ask God to allow angels to surround us, but we shouldn't be praying to saints or angels whatsoever
Doesn’t mean other texts can’t be looked at, but I think that its safe to assume that the word of god is infallible and anything else has varying degrees of potential fallibility
They actually were in the church fathers. You can find many beliefs from St. Augustine, Paul, Jesus Christ himself about eternal security, and you can go to St. Athanasius and St. Anselm and oh yeah, the Bible. When I say I hold to sola scriptura, I mean it's the highest authority not the only authority.
You can make the same argument against Iconography, the only difference being that Tertulian and Clement of Alexandria and others actively taught against Icons. Not to mention (to my knowledge which is limited) the ideas of the bodily assumption of Mary, or the perpetual virginity of Mary are also not mentioned by the early fathers, as far as I know.
because people of old didn’t outwardly profess their believe in it or give it a term doesn’t mean it isn’t true or biblical. take eternal security for example, even tho the term or phrase wasn’t explicitly given it is 100% biblical and it’s safe to say they most likely believed in it because it is what the bible teaches.
You have to read all the scripture together it's not well this verse says this and this one says this because yes he does talk about faith but in others he adds to that. I was brought up Reformed Baptist and am Happily Catholic now God Bless!!!
James does not contradict Paul James said that faith without works is dead But it is not the works that save you it's your faith in Jesus Christ You will know them by their fruit aka their works but by no means do works save you If we could be saved by our works there would be no need for Jesus
@@BrownRecluse1738 I don't think James contradicts Paul either but not for the reasons you think. Paul was talking about works of the law not good works. The apparent contradiction is with surface-level readers who ignore the historical context and the tradition that is interlaced in words. James is telling us that there is a type of faith that is not fruitful. To be saved, you must have living faith. If there is a faith without works, you will not be saved, and therefore, good works are needed to be saved, not as a mere demonstration of faith. This is a false premise- "If we could be saved by our works, there would be no need for Jesus" Without Jesus, where would we be saved to? Jesus' one sacrifice makes it possible to be saved. Noah had faith and also had to build the ark. Abraham had faith but also had to go through with sacrificing his son. Jesus had faith but still had to carry his cross and die on calvary. We must have faith but also remain faithful - which is an enduring faith that goes beyond initial justification - the moment we believe. To perform good works is not to save yourself as Jesus remains the final judge of your salvation. All of our good works will be put to the test in 1 Corinthians 3:15. For even the demons believe - but clearly, they only have the type of faith that is not living.
Umm…you do realize that the Filioque is taught in Scripture, right? And you do realize that that there many Saints in the first millenium in both the east and west who believed it and taught it, right? And you do realize that the East was in communion with the west for nearly 600 years after the west added the Filioque to the Creed, right? The Filioque was never an issue in the first millennium. The first person who ever made an issue about it in the 9th century later recanted his objection and came back into communion with Rome
@@VoiceOfReason_what about Pope St. Leo III (who you claim is infallible) being so against the filioque that he had the original creed carved in silver tablets and placed at the doors of St. Peters? Seems pretty anti filioque to me
@@VoiceOfReason_Catholics will quotemine a million fathers on economic procession and claim it applies to hypostatic procession. You do know the dispute is over hypostatic procession, right? something which was universally NOT taught first millennium. Literally nobody disagrees on economic procession, which is what the saints you are referring to speak of. I would hope you’re being ignorant rather than dishonest, but you’re an apologist so you should know
“For faith itself alone grants justification and sanctification. Thus any flesh whatsoever-Jews or those from the Gentiles-is justified on the basis of faith, not works or observance of the Jewish Law (Gal 2:16)” - Marius Victorinus, ~ 300 AD
Even the catholic or Orthodox Church does not merit such title. Jesus did not specifically endorse any denomination. He endorsed Peter, inspired Paul. So focus on the message. To the best of my knowledge, the problem with the orthodox and Catholic Church is that they have made it too much of religion over relationship with God. There’s also a lot of scandals amongst others which has driven people away from God. I am always willing to be educated on my lack of knowledge. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Can we not debate amongst ourselves and focus on debating with satanism, islam and other religions where our brothers and sisters haven't been saved yet?
The problem here is you're labeling Protestants as one. As far as I know and observe, it's very easy to determine which ones are heretical. Just look at their core doctrine. Is it aligned with the Apostles' / Nicene Creed? Should be good... Other theology differences are negligible (at least to me), meaning, whether you believe it or not (the 'minor' issues), it does not affect your salvation.
Even if the claim being posited were true (which it is not), that wouldn’t make Protestant theology wrong. It just would mean the church discovered certain truths later on in history. And there are numerous fathers that do comment on Protestant beliefs, but conveniently those church fathers are just wrong.. And all the other fathers that make certain theological claims which endorse Roman Catholic dogma are all right. Even if they’re blatant anachronisms and inserting dogma (that didn’t develop until hundreds of years later) into the scripture. Not to mention what they tout was absolutely unknown to the apostles. If they had known about it.. It woulda made it into the New Testament!
Overtime, the Catholic Church came to prove the most fundamental reason as to why we need Christ. We are sinful and imperfect, and as such, the institutions we create will also fall into this pattern, despite our best efforts. The Roman church became corrupt, preaching the words of politics above the Bible, and became a powerful entity that existed to enrich and glorify itself, not God. This is not necessarily their fault though. All things of this Earth, including the church, will have a separation from God. We must be vigilant against this. The Catholic Church fell into the same problems that all human beings and institutions do. The PR was meant to reset and repair this. We must not fool ourselves: no priest, pope, or deacon can take priority over the Bible, or Christ himself. The church as an institution is critical and important to our faith and salvation, to assume otherwise is folly. But the idea that the Church is the only saving element is wrong. We are saved by Christ and Christ alone.
I am a Muslim so not really related to this but I have a question, do Protestants, Catholics and orthodox believe that each other will go to heaven or not?
Yes we do, because our core beliefs are all the same, that jesus is the way and the life and that he died on the cross for us and that the only way to the father is through him.
@@iwasdroppedatbirth2409 ouh ok thx because I partly heard otherwise. What about Unitarian Christians, Mormons and Jehovas witnesses? As far as I know they also all believe that Jesus died for their sins, ain’t they?
Of course it wasn’t, but there’s so much questionable doctrine in the Catholic Church it’s easier to go back to the scriptures and seal it for good. Can’t add, can’t take away.
All these debates of "early church did not do this" and "early church did do this" can easily be verified. Ask the Orthodox church. Practically unchanged since the apostles. Paradosis and the tendency to reject reform has left us in pretty much the original state that Jesus gave us. But of course, everyone won't care about the original church because they all have their own agendas.
Or because there's no such *true single doctrine* (christianity) from the begining ... 🤷🤷🤷🤷 There's thousands sect, that you call genostic... There's thousands gospel, that you call aprocripha
Catholic Church was only Orthodox to 350. Then the heavy False doctrines were added slowly. The unique Protestant features are false doctrines also. Eastern Orthodox have 25 false doctrines Catholics 95. Go to Orthodox Christian Church with no false doctrines. Understanding False doctrines is important.
@@user-xm5tj5sd3b A lot of these have been known as false doctrines for years. Since way before 1550 in the Casa of Catholic False doctrines. They started the Protestant Reformation. You can look at one and go through the Bible and see they are. Like Once Saved Always Saved contradicts 100s of verses in the Bible. To fix it Once Saved Always Saved in the light is not a false doctrine. Take the Eucharist and John 6 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit[e] and life. Jesus tells us that it is not real flesh and is the Holy Spirit in the Eucharist. And since the flesh is the Bread and we receive the Holy Spirit and the Light. We can believe the light is the blood. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” Then Peter says the Eucharist used in this way is to give Eternal life(holy Spirit) and save people. And that those left have believed have the Holy Spirit and Light. Looking at the similar first passage where Jesus says Rememberance he must be talking to saved disciples. Ok, So the Eucharist is Jesus in us and has the Holy Spirit and Light. So, can you get a larger infilling of Holy Spirit? The Bible seems to tell us yes, if we look at Moses and 70 elders Some of the Spirit is taken from Moses and given to elders. So Moses has more than elders The only issue is calling it the real blood and flesh of Christ. It's procedure is correct.
@@user-xm5tj5sd3b Now, the Catholic Church killed many people who didn't believe Jesus's real flesh and blood was in the Eucharist. Even though the Bible contradicts that. This is not something that is super Biblically wrong in taking the Eucharist. The only issue is Real blood and flesh or Holy Spirit (and light) as Bible says. You always receive the light with Holy Spirit. And many people died over it. And true Christian Believers inside the Catholic Church tried to fix things until Protestant Reformation.
Read your scripture again in the original context. Sola scriptura is actually an OT to NT truth. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)
No HolySpirit leading you in truth who is truth in all truth u can and will be lead astray. Do not forget when Jesus was fasting for 40 days the devil himself came and tempted Jesus with scripture. But Jesus is the word in flesh literal Truth Himself. Do go about seeking Truth without Truth Himself leading you. Jesus Is Lord.
The Bible interprets itself and its by following the commands of King Yeshua himself, who dwelt in the Father and the Father in Him, that we come to know what the scriptures say. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That same Word became flesh and dwelt then as it does now and did going all the way back to Adam long before there was ever any established Hierarchy among men. The Bible is the Written Witness of the Experience of that same Light, That Living Spoken Word that was in the Mouth of Christ. That same Word Created the Heaven and Earth that we can see with our own Eyes and is the same when We approach YHWH Elohim with the Heart that is broken and Contrite just as David, Abraham, Moses Peter, James, John and all heard and saw the things in which he said and did. The Jews themselves were given the perfect priesthood that showed everyone that Humans fail to uphold what is contained in the Law and continually become corrupted. They continually(outside of Those who YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI chose to have His word with them) failed abd caused others to sin because, just like the Roman Catholic Church, saw thenselves as the oracle and it was their interpretations that put the congregation in rituals and slavery to the Temple and they lived lavishly off the backs of others while tbe poor, widows and fatherless suffered. He that eats of my flesh and drinks of my blood dwells in me and I in him is not about eating a cracker and drinking wine, but is about following the path laid out by the Son of Man in plain language and is seen in those that walked with The True and Living God YHWH ELOHIM in the Old Testement. It isnt about an individual relationship but about a full body of those who The Spirit of God dwells in, However the True Temple of God in Zion is built by those living individual stones fit neatly together by the glue that is the Eternal Word of God Spoken by the mouth of The Living God himself((1Peter 2:5-9) Those who are the children of the Kingdom are those who the Spirit of Truth dwells within by those whom the Son of man has sewn the seed of the Kingdom within by that very following of HIS commands to Love God with all their heart mind soul and strength so as to love their neighbor as they would themselves. That Spirit of Truth that grows from that Spiritual seed is the offspring of THE HOLY Spirit of God that ONLY dwells in those that again, follow Yeshuas commands, not a Pagan Institution that proudly proclaims itself something it isnt. The ROCK(The cornerstone1 00Peter 2:6-8, psalm 118, Acts 4:18, Ephesians2:20Jeremiah 51:26,Job 38:4-6) by which the Church is born and grows from is the REVELATION that the Man called Jesus in the Bible IS the One that will save them from their sins and restore unto them the freedom that was lost, not a life of servitude to a church a bunch of men that have exalted themselves as something special because they can reiterate doctrines of men and use the Bible to subvert the minds of the unstable souls. Christ told Peter that Blessed He was because the Revelation he recieved is that which was given to him by God himself, not flesh and blood(Matthew 16). Peter didnt find it through the traditions and teachings of the priesthood or from the scribes or chief priests but by the Father himself revealing it to him neither did any other ever. Have you not read about David when he went to the Temple and ate the shewbread? Christ showed what the True meaning of the priesthood is by giving the Bread of Life to the hungry rather than withholding it and using it as a means to Lord over others just as you and the RCC has done for centuries telling the people that the cravker and wine is actual blood and flesh. John 6 shows clearly that by the people who walked away, that it wasnt an actual eating of human flesh abd human blood as the hearers that walked away did not understand and thought that is what he meant. A Good Tree does not bring forth Corrupt fruit nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. The Roman Catholic Church has not only held people under the chains of rituals and idolatry praying to Pagan gods with Christian Names slapped on top, but has withheld the Truth in order to justify the doctrines because they themselves have become the very fulfilment of the wicked ones prophesied throughout the Old Testement (Jeremiah 23:16,Isaiah 29:13, Ezekiel 33:31,Matthew 15:7-9, Jude, 2 Peter) The charged money for forgiveness of sins, seized governmental control and teach them that its not about Loving God with all your heart mind soul and strength so as to love your neighbor as yourself but showing allegiance to the 'Church' and its Papacy a very counterfeit lineage just like that of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, but also was exposed for sexually molesting millions of children. No people of the High Pirest abd Spiritual offspring will do such things as the Law and Prophets, Psalms and Prophets, New Testement and Revelation shows us. The Christ who is the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, was a lowly poor man who did not exalt himself to robes and effeminate religious garb, and rituals that led to no profit but was a carpeneter that followed the Law of God as was intended and spoken of by the Prophets. The seed of the Christ is in those that Your Institution has persecuted. The Word of God is the most vital part of the enduring unto Eternal Life and yet, the RCC wants it hidden by their own interpretation. The RCC even went so far as to kill individuals that YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI was moving in to bring forth that Word of God to the Common man in his own language. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for demeaning the poor and keeping them in darkness using the scripture to guilt people into submitting to the Satanic institution of a sensual pagan religion that goes all the way back to Nimrod and Semiramus. The RCC is modern day Sun worship and believe me when I say this, Your participation in such iniquity to cause others to sin will be brought back upon your own head. Let this be your last Warning.
@@vinoneil he points out that certain Protestant traditions didn’t start until the 15th-16th century but this Catholic tradition didn’t start until the 10-11th century. It’s not consistent with the early church fathers’ doctrine
@@davidww5792 the Rosary is a prayer practice, and not a doctrine. Further to that, no Catholic is mandated to pray the rosary. It's highly recommended, but no Catholic is being told that their soul's salvation depends on it, nor is it a core belief or doctrine. A Catholic can, theoretically, live their entire life having never said a single Hail Mary. Also, there are different prayer practices within the Catholic Church which uses the rosary beads for prayers devoted solely to Jesus. The practice of using prayer beads actually pre-dates Christianity, so this isn't a unique feature of Catholicism by any means.
@@davidww5792 I wish I could be a Protestant and have no duty to a life of prayer & asceticism. Just kick back & rest on my laurels and have fried chicken every Sunday with Pastor Bubba down at the local Baptist church and talk about those darn Cath-licks. Or maybe you're one of those more modern progressive Prots who jams out with rock music posing as 'worship' music?
Hey Saul of Tarsus, arent they reading your letters? For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
By Grace. It is *by grace* we are saved through faith. Also, note it does not say faith *alone* (despite what Martin Luther put in his bible translation of this verse). Your second reference says "all scripture" is God-breathed, but not "only scripture" is God-breathed. God gave his Holy Spirit to his church too.
When you have a lot of people in one religion they will believe a lot of different things. Just like the Catholic church. Like for example you have what a papal lineage or something like that from Peter. If you read first and second Peter they are the most anti-catholic books you can find. Cuz Peter was married. He was never at Rome his bones were found at Jerusalem contrary to Catholic tradition. Which by the way Catholic tradition tends to be wrong.
Like I explained before and other comments. The Catholics has made sure to put the Bible in the index of forbidden books. Which I'm sure the scholar is well aware of. The index of forbidden books is a index of books you cannot read according to the Catholic church. Books that are against Catholic faith. And now if you research all the new versions and how many of them were from Catholic text. Or translated by majority Catholics you have the upwards of 100 Bible versions out of the 200 and some new versions. Is there a out there. If you want to talk about contradictions in beliefs throughout a religious history the Catholic church has plenty of it. Like I also have mentioned earlier during the people schism when they were two popes ruling at the same time.
You don’t think the Apostles ever asked Mary the mother of Jesus for her prayers???? You don’t think Mary prayed for her Son’s Apostles??? And the Apostles talk about Saint veneration in their writings. The Apostle Paul explains the theology of it in 1 Corinthians 12. Ever read in the Apostles’ writings where that exhort Christians to give each other the kiss of peace? That’s a form of Saint veneration. Not only do we venerate the Saints in Heaven, but also the Saints on earth. When did the Apostles ever take orders from a Pope? Have you ever read the Book of Acts? Lol. Peter the Apostle was the first Pope, the first leader of the universal Christian Church. Jesus Himself made Peter the universal pastor in Matthew 16, Luke 22 and John 21. I highly recommend that you read Scripture to get your questions answered.
@@VoiceOfReason_ There is absolutely zero proof and nothing in the Scriptures that points to any of the Apostles asking Mary to intercede or mediate for them in prayer. That's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the Catholic prayer to Mary: "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy..." How is that Biblical?! 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" I hope I'm reading your comment incorrectly, but did you cite 1 Corinthians 12 as justification for Catholic "veneration" (worship) of the saints, specifically the kiss of peace? Every second you pray to one of your saints (a pagan practice), you aren't praying to God through Jesus Christ. Remember that. We're now reaching Jehovah's Witness-level manipulation of Scripture if that's really how Catholics justify plastering their "churches" with graven images of the saints, which as you probably know is a total disregard for God's 2nd Commandment. (Didn't Catholics delete that Commandment from their doctrine somehow?!) As far as the pope, if the Catholic understanding of Acts is correct (it isn't), and Peter was in fact the first pope (he wasn't), where does it say in the Scriptures that the pope is infallible as is taught in Catholic doctrine? I seem to be reading something Paul wrote that says the opposite... Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." The truth is, the Catholic Church teaches a false gospel. It's a false, works-based (prescriptive prayers, false confessions to a "father", self-flagellation, forced celibacy, etc.) religion that will go down in history as Satan's greatest deception. Remember when your church used to charge money for mass? Remember when they demanded money for entrance into Heaven? Remember when they chained up the Bible so laymen couldn't access it? Remember when Catholics murdered actual Christians for disseminating God's Word? Catholicism is a lie straight from the pits of hell. And it has nothing to do with original or fundamental Christianity, or any Christianity at all. Let me ask you this. How does a Catholic get saved? Well, let me tell you how a Christian is saved. Have faith in the Risen Lord Jesus Christ and repent. I implore you to drop all of this, stop spreading lies and false doctrine, and come to the Lord through faith.
@@VoiceOfReason_You've been deceived. Praying to Mary is never mentioned in the bible. Assuming she was is not biblical. And no Peter was not the first pope. This is wrong, the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter ever being in Rome. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter ever being in Rome.
@@holyhecks no, YOU have been deceived. First of all, just because something isn’t explicitly in Scripture doesn’t mean it isn’t true. 2 Thessalonians 2:15. You know what is explicitly in Scripture? Revelation 5:8 & 8:3 both say that the Saints in Heaven present the prayers of the Saints on earth before the throne of God. So Mary, who is in Heaven, can present our prayers before God. And we can even ask her to do this because we know that the Body of Christ is not divided, according to St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, and we know from the Gospel and also from Hebrews 11 & 12 that the Saints in Heaven are aware of the saints on earth, which also explains how they can present our prayers before God, again, as it is described in Revelation 5 & 8. And you are just plain wrong about the universal authority of Peter the Apostle. Go back and re read Mathew 16, Luke 22 and John 21. Jesus out Peter in charge OVER even the other Apostles. And just because his death isn’t recorded in scripture doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You do realize that history didn’t just stop after the New Testament was completed, right? We actually have the writings of the early Christians who KNEW the Apostles personally, and that all tell us that Peter, the chief of the Apostles and the head of the entire Christian Church was martyred in Rome. They also say that his successors in Rome hold his office of universal pastor of the Church.
@@holyhecks It probably isn't worth it to tell him the truth or debate. The deception runs far too deep, evident by his citing Thessalonians 2:15 as justification of false Catholic doctrine. It's sad but there's many such cases. All we can do is pray for Catholics who believe these lies.
Cool story bro! Except every single abrahamic religion falls apart with any critical assessment, so your religion is ALSO nonsense, just for different reasons. It’s so funny to me that the defenders of an all-powerful god just have the WEAKEST arguments. Pathetic.
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 kYou may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel lyou shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Rather than extrapolating verses to confirm your own false moral superiority complex, how about you humble yourself before YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI before its too late for you. Maybe if you knew how to read a book as a whole and see things panoramically, then you wouldn't be going about trying to use the authority of the word of YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI for your own exaltation
Arguing over nothing. Theres more facts you left out. But go back to basics, which is stick with Jesus. He did not divide. It was man that made his teachings in so many branches. Satan is trying to divide and conquer.
The Roman Catholic Church certainly isn’t teaching fundamentalism with the worship of Mary and creating a position called the pope. Start at the front of the book to find sound doctrine.
You obviously have not read the Bible. Mathew's 16 :18 - 20 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Listen friend, as a fellow Prot, you are grossly misrepresenting the Catholic Church doctrine. They don’t “worship” Mary, they venerate her. There is a huge difference. Just because you ask for someone’s intersession on your behalf, that doesn’t mean you are worshipping them. Also Catholics believe the Papacy to be in the Bible. Jesus Christ gave the keys to St Peter as well as refer to him as “the rock upon which I build my Church”. If you are going to disagree, at least do it in a way that accurately reflects the beliefs of the other party. If you don’t, you make all of us look bad.
All heretics are able to distort passages to make them say what they want them to say. The point of this video is that it’s a problem that no faithful Christians believed what you believe and the writings of the early fathers actually condemn you. That should concern you given that Christ promised he would lead the church into all truth.
The Apostles didn't believe in sola scriptura , there is a quote found in the new testament that's not in the old testament. So obviously they were gleening from a wide variety of sources. Do you know the verse I'm talking about ?
@lonniestoute8762 1 Corinthian 4 6 Sola scriptura Whether sola scriptura is explicitly taught in the scriptures, we know that God never changes. It's an argument against extrabiblical things that go against the teachings of the Bible.
@@chandlermarmino4399 Sure , and the point of that verse and teaching is to avoid vain speculation. To hold fast to the letters and teachings handed down from the apostles. That verse doesn't exclude oral teachings cause we have other verses that uphold the oral teachings as well as written . And let me ask you this , it wasn't until the Catholic Church actually put the Bible together ( year 400 about ) and decided that the books we have today would be the " writings" for the teaching of the faithful, so if sola scriptura was legit in the early Church , exactly which writings was being held too? We know there were many so called Gospels and other letters from Apostles floating around before the Catholic Church formed the Bible. So exactly which writings are sola scriptura? The ones the Catholics told you to learn 😆
None of those verses explicitly teaches Sola Scriptura, since Prots like to try to use the Bible in order to justify their false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. You failed to defend Sola Scriptura, Prot.
No, all the protestant beliefs are absent from Early Catholicism. Catholicism doesn't line up with scripture and is nowhere close to the followers of Christ in the Gospels and the nook of Acts.
It’s not about if It’s found in the church it’s about what’s found in the Bible. Most people couldn’t even read the Bible so the church used that to their advantage and convinced people salvation was earned by works to benefit them. For example indulgences.
@@vinoneil Scripture alone, or Sola scriptura Is highly implied in Acts 16:11 which is about the Berean Jews who were complimented by the disciples for following only scripture alone compared to the Jews in Thessalonica who did not implement this principle into their teachings. In 1st Corinthians 4:6 Paul warns the Christians of Corinth not to “go beyond what is written”. Jesus himself criticized those who put the value of traditions over the commandments of God in mark 7:6-9. Sola scriptura is all about obeying the word of God through, regardless of traditions, see 2 Timothy 2:15.
@@user-sf4bu5iv9p the bible was compiled by the church meaning your against the same church that made the bible. Why do you trust their authority? Also search up the canon conundrum because that disproves sola scriptura
@@RayBooM_ You’re correct in saying that the canon of scripture itself is not mentioned directly in the Bible because the scripture itself is written by different authors, and while all scripture is God breathed, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, some scripture was not implemented into the Biblical canon. For example the gospel of Thomas, Peter, Mary and Pontus Pilate. To be included in the New Testament scripture had to meet certain criteria. The first is that to be included, the gospels had to be written by eyewitness, like Matthew and John, or someone who knew an eyewitness like Mark and Luke. The second criteria was that they had to agree with orthodox Christian faith. So the Gnostic gospels like the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of Thomas teach that the body is evil and the spirit is good, which contradict orthodox Christian belief. So the Canon of the Bible is based on what the scripture itself stated to be included in the Biblical canon. That’s why the church today can’t just write new teachings that contradict the Bible because they never knew Jesus. Another thing is that I could ask a Catholic who decides what determines which church fathers are canon or not, without using scripture as an infallible guideline?
It's not a competition. Do you hear that? It's not a competition. There are thousands of denominations and they're all Christians. It is not a competition. Stop trying to make it one.
Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" ------ 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." ------ Mark 7:7-13 - Jesus said: "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules. ' You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! ------- Any doctrine or tradition that contradicts the Holy Bible, constitutes "a new gospel". While mere humans may come up with things like selling indulgences, "purgatory" or calling their priests "father", these things are not found in Holy Scripture. It's when we stray from the "God breathed" Holy Scripture, that we begin to distort the True Word of God - and our Faith. Hence, the cause of the Protestant Reformation. God bless you. 😊
THEOPNEUSTOS (θεόπνευστος) The term "theopneustos" is derived from two Greek words and is commonly translated as "God-breathed" or "inspired." It appears only once in the Bible, specifically in 2 Timothy 3:16, where it is used to describe scripture. The meaning of "theopneustos" has been a subject of debate among scholars. Some argue that it implies a divine origin, suggesting that scripture comes directly from God's breath, while others contend that it refers to the effect scripture has on individuals, emphasizing its spiritually life-giving nature rather than its origin. This debate has implications for the understanding of sola scriptura, as some Protestants have used the term to support the belief that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith. However, the interpretation of "theopneustos" as solely indicating divine origin and infallibility is questioned by examining its usage in early Christian and Jewish writings, as well as its grammatical context in 2 Timothy 3:16. Ultimately, the term may be better understood as emphasizing the spiritual efficacy of scripture rather than its exclusive authority as the only infallible rule of faith. Instances: The Sibylline Oracles: This collection of ancient Greek oracles includes a reference to the city's theopneustic springs, indicating a divine or spiritually life-giving quality associated with these springs. The Sibylline Oracles were composed by different authors over several centuries and were considered prophetic in nature. Testament of Abraham: This Jewish pseudepigraphical work contains a reference to the use of theopneustic ointments to preserve the body of the righteous Abraham after his death, with the hope of his potential resurrection. The Testament of Abraham is believed to have been written sometime between the 1st and 5th centuries CE and is part of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha.
Sure Protestant faith alone and the other fides were in the time of the apostles, as seen in the earliest writings…aka the Bible. The Pope at one point told people to stop reading their Bibles because people realized the Catholic Church was wrong immediately after looking for themselves.
Because there are more than 10 commandments in the new testament. Everything Jesus said to do, and with his authority given to the Apostles what they instruct- are all commandments.
Well, I grew up in a protestant Church, and then later in life started attending an Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church spares no one's feelings and covers it all. They fear none but God. Some of it is hard to hear, especially for the first time, but they preserve the word and spare no details in it's study.
@@forestguardian2 Yet the Orthodox Church forsake the Sabbath, parade around with graven images/idols and celebrate Easter and Xmas. All of which break Christs teachings/commandments. Why did Christ tell us to leave the church (whore and many harlots)?
@@forestguardian2 YT doesn’t seem to like my replies. The Orthodox Church are in the same amount of trouble as the other circa 40,000 denominations of Churchtianity. All of them forsake the Sabbath (inc. SDA, they do it according to Babylonian tradition), all do Xmas, Easter and many many other doctrines of man that Christ *hates.* Revelation 18:4 (KJV) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
@@cao3465 purgatory is a nice invention, a place you go to to pay for sins because Jesus didn’t pay for all of them and a place you go to for a certain amount of time in a place with a is no time purgatory where the flames are only knee-high. 1 timothy 2:5 there is one God, and one mediator between God and men , the man christ, Jesus well, and Mary ain’t that right? Matthew 6:7 when you pray, don’t use vein, repetition, like the heathen for they think they will be heard for their many words. so say three our fathers and 10 Hail Mary, and of course say Them them as fast as you can. and by all means throw out the second Commandment and split the tenth so there will still be 10 because we still want our graven images.
Yep, and it just gets worse from there. It's amazing how much was lost in the first three centuries! I've seen ancient documents of Christ that were hidden from the Catholic church by concerned priests because they knew the manuscript would be destroyed if they didn't (that's how we have them today, along with the letter explaining the importance of hiding them).
JESUS says keep Sabbath holy. POPE says keep Sunday holy! “The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church." -Father Enright, American Sentinal, June 1893. 7th day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11) 1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7) The WORD teaches 7th day is holy! The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy! 🤔WHO DO YOU OBEY????
“Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” - Colossians 2:16-17
@@thegreatest4617 Colossians 2:16 EXPLAINED!!! To understand Colossians 2:16, I think we should first get a little more context on the verse. Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14 speaks of: -Handwriting -Ordinances -Contrary & Against us!!! 👆🏽This sure doesn’t sound like God’s Ten Commandments written on stone tablets with the Finger of GOD! God’s Law is PERFECT!!! 👉(Psalm 19:7) God’s Law is forever! 👉(Luke 16:17) The 10 Commandments is NEVER referred to as “ordinances” in the Holy Bible! The Law of Moses 👉was written with HANDWRITING! 👉did contain ORDINANCES! 👉 was CONTRARY & AGAINST us!!! 👆🏽This was just for a little more context (Colossians 2:16 😃Great question! ) There's TWO different Sabbaths in the Holy Bible. 1) The WEEKLY 7th day sabbath Established at creation (Genesis 2:2,3) Commanded in God's Law(Exo.20:8-11) An eternal law for all mankind! 2) The 7 ANNUAL feast sabbaths Found in the "Law of Moses" (Leviticus Ch.23) a temporary law commanded for ancient Israel. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moons, or of the sabbath days. ~ Colossians 2:16 ▪️MEAT = Sacrificing animals ▪️DRINK = Drink offerings ▪️HOLYDAY = feast days were also called "holyday" ▪️NEW MOONS = the feast days fell according to the new moons cycle. ▪️SABBATHS = the feast days were also called "sabbaths" regardless of the day of the week it might have fallen on. (Col.2:16) is obviously speaking of the "Feast Sabbaths" found in the: 👉Law of Moses. Now if a "Feast Sabbath" happen to fall on the "Weekly Sabbath" then this was called a: HIGH SABBATH! 👉(John 19:31) For more info on the feast sabbaths READ 👉(Leviticus Ch.23) I pray this sheds more light on this verse, please let me know your thoughts? God bless you🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@vinoneil that's the most stupidest statement ever. Why do you think people including me come out of the Roman Catholic Church? We see lies and don't want to be part of it. If your statement was true why for the longest time did the catholic church killed anyone who translated the Bible?
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His voice is not what I was expecting. 😅
We are wasting time with these debates. There is a whole world outside to bring to Christ. Christianity is righteousness that comes by faith from first to last (Rom 1:17). All else comes in between.
Sounds like something a Prot would say when he can't prove the teachings he holds to. So, we should just bring people into any form of "Christianity" even if it's false? There is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church. Defending the Church & thus bringing others into it is far from wasted time.
The gospel depends on it. Romans anathematized the gospel in Trent session 6 can 9-11
The Bible and Christ is a waste of time
@@paddycraigno it's not. You're only going to live maybe 90 years on this planet. But the life you will be living after these 90 years is ETERNAL
@@paddycraigI hope you find Jesus. It was the best thing that ever happened to me and I know it could be the best thing for you. ❤
The core message has never faltered throughout both Catholic Orthodox and Protestant teaching . Christ died, and Christ rose from the dead. The heat of th Gospel.
That's the core of Christianity.
@@SquidwardsangryfaceYes.
Yes but How did you receive the gospel?
@@augustvonmacksen2526 by hearing
@@augustvonmacksen2526this is kinda faulty bc not everybody what's the gospel from the Bible. In fact many people who believe in Christ don't read the Bible at all. The Bible isn't a necessity. Believing in Jesus Christ and repenting of sins is a necessity and doing so usually inspires one to read the Bible. But you can do all of the spiritual work without a copy of the Bible and just through the oral tradition.
Whole family grew up catholic and none of us were saved none of us knew Jesus and it wasn’t until we read the gospels for ourselves did we truly know him. It wasn’t the Catholic church that saved us, it was Jesus that saved us and Jesus who gets the glory and deserves our worship. No man or woman besides him will ever be worthy. Fight about your denominations all you want just know that you do it for yourselves because it does nothing for his Kingdom
Oh stop.
The Bible is the same one they had. It's all in there.
It’s really not. Even Paul was fearful of his eternal salvation. 1 Corinthians 9:27
This is the KJV- 66 books,
Some were removed, nonetheless
‘But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway’
Why would he be worried about subjecting his body daily or less he be considered a castaway?
Better go back and reread the letters to the churches, what about revelation? Jesus Christ warns them, again! Revelation 3:16, is only 1 example. If you believe in once saved always saved, you’re listening to preachers instead of reading your Bible. You’re reading into the text your own ideas. There is something spiritual about Protestants who listen to other Protestants instead of reading the early Christians and what they believed. Saint Ignatius wrote an epistle to the Ephesians, that’s a good place to read. Maybe read Cyril of Jerusalem, the first Catecheses. Compare it to the Catechsis of the church today. Learn your Christian heritage.
Read Josephus War of the Jews before the temple fell, he wrote about what happened after it happened, the temple falling in 70AD and the wars leading up to it. Maybe there’s a reason why our history isn’t taught in Protestant church, but almost every day, the Mass touches on a part of our history, get a Catholic missal, I suggest 1 prior to 1969 because some saints have been removed, but read both then.
I’m converting myself because I truly hated the CC and found out I was learning lies about it, I had to go inside to learn the truth.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy.
Typical catholic misunderstanding or lying about a verse and then going away from the Bible to nonsense.
You might want to read the WHOLE chapter.
That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation.
Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ.
Not his salvation which is a GIFT.
1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL.
1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
--A reward for preaching the Gospel.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God;
--Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD.
And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
--Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy.
Typical catholic misunderstanding or lying about a verse and then going away from the Bible to nonsense.
You might want to read the WHOLE chapter.
That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation.
Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ.
Not his salvation which is a GIFT.
1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL.
1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
--A reward for preaching the Gospel.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God;
--Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD.
And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
--Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy.😂
You might want to read the WHOLE chapter.
That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation.
Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ.
Not his salvation which is a GIFT.
1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL.
1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
--A reward for preaching the Gospel.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God;
--Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD.
And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
--Go read ALL OF ROMANS and repent form your nonsense.
@@anopinion9830 Oh boy.
You might want to read the WHOLE chapter.
That chapter and verse is about Paul's EVANGELISM (preaching the Gospel) not salvation.
Receiving a REWARD for his work in Christ.
Not his salvation which is a GIFT.
1Co 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not PREACH THE GOSPEL.
1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a REWARD; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
--A reward for preaching the Gospel.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God;
--Notice that salvation is always called a GIFT not a REWARD.
And notice that I used the Bible to explain the Bible.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
--Read ALL OF ROMANS and repent.
Stop making division. It doesn't matter. Only Jesus matters. Follow his word, obey Jesus. And you're good. Quit with division. There is no way to tell if the reformation is still part of Gods plan or not.
But then you cry about Jehovah witnesses.
It does matter
No it's not. St. Ignatius of antioch was a early church father and put as a bishop by John. He said a true Christian takes part in the one true eucharist and if you deny it you don't inherit heaven. Which is a belief they all had which is obvious in writings from the early church fathers.
I love being Catholic! Adult convert here! “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”-Cardinal Newman
In the beginning was word and word was God and the word was with God in the beginning. The word was Yeshua. That’s your foundation. That is the truth and the life. No one goes to God but through Him. Be a servant of God as every single person was. Obedience to Him by calling out to Holy Spirit for guidance. It’s clears as day in the Bible. Open your Bible people. Study the word. In there you will find out true salvation. Let all these religions and sects fight over the claim they are the right religion but there is only one way. Only Satan causes confusion. Those who hear will hear. Old Testament and New Testament. Both points Christ. If you fight for worldly things, you will die along with the worldly things. Génesis, the 4 Gospels and Revelation tells you the beginning, the way and what will become. Get out of babylon. ✝️ Yeshua is the only being who paid for your sins. He is the only way to God. No one religion will save you but Yeshua alone. It is written.It is there for you read. In plain site. Open your book. The truth is there.
Ok, if his name is called Yeshua, then why when ask who He was....He answered: "I AM" in the Holy Bible?
@@SladeMacGregor Because He, is also God.
@@IsraelR Yet He did not call himself Yeshua.
Your are right Yeshua or Jesus never called himself by his own name. You are being very críptic about your point and I think it’s a deceitful way of speaking when there is no need, when God tells us to be truthful in our intentions so I’ll wrap up by saying that the son of God came to humble himself in order to pay for our sins and create a way for redemption. Furthermore if you want to argue about placement in names in the Bible you don’t need to prove that to me. The Bible is your proof. Now if we are talking about the same salvation and redemption given to us by Jesus Christ then Amen is what we should be boasting about. Otherwise, let’s not cast pearls to swine. Weather we both think so by proceeding towards a fruitless conversation. It’s about the King of Kings and His Kingdom He offers to us to become an eternal soul. Thank you for time sir. 🙏🏼✝️ May God bless you.
@@IsraelR Amen!
As a child, these debates have made me doubt myself, my faith, and my life. Satan has had his foot in our churches for generations, and we are approaching the end times. Satan is angry, and using all he has rn. This is how he will get us to doubt our faith, and hate one another. I'm here to say, I will not. There is heresy in every Chruch, sin in every believer, and malicious altering of every Theology. God has allowed all these to happen, and he does nothing without reason or purpose. CHRIST JESUS REMAINS despite what denomination, he is the truth. A Catholic can go to hell, aswell as a Protestant or Orthodox, if he does not have Christ. Come back to Jesus, not the church. Come to Abba our Dad, not the church. If we worked together as biblical Scholars, we could unify the theologies, find the truth, and edify all; but this is just petty and selfish and I don't stand for it. Shame on all of you taking part in this nonsense.
I agree that Jesus is what matters, but a denomination gives us an outline for what a specific church believes so we know what we're getting into, people disagree with scripture, but the solution is to solve the dilemma but answering questions about scripture with scripture, not taking one verse and applying it to the entirety. There are false prophets who spread the heresy, and it's our job to point out the wolf in sheep's clothing to the flock, not avoid the problem entirely.
ur very optimistic brother but ur edging towards naïveté. what if i say i believe in Christ and trust Christ but i don’t believe He is divine or God, am i going to hell? you can’t answer that unless you make a definitive claim or give an explicit answer. but if you do answer, under what authority? scripture? do you have authority to tell me what scripture does and doesn’t mean? or maybe Jesus’s divinity isn’t a big deal. but if it is, your stuck between a rock and a hard place on trying bring me to Christ. every one sins! every church has heresy! all theology is corrupted! sounds like ur playing for the other team pal. idk about u but when Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against His Church, i believe Him. you can’t have Christ without His body, the Church is the Body of Christ, and the Body of Christ is NOT divided. Praise God, may His prayer of unity be a hope to all seeking His face🙏🏽
Very impressed with your writing seeing your young! Keep it up. I feel this same sentiment, i even catch myself being mad at other branches but God teaches us that we have to love ALL. we are all sinners we are all bad, but because of him we are saved. I was raised catholic and found myself confessing to another human with just as many transgressions as me. I prefer to confess to my lord. He is Lord. I wish we could figure out the schisms because in my humble opinion all it does it distract us from his word. I just wish we could all find peace, I’m sure God seeing a Catholic bringing down a Protestant seeing we’re all his perfect creations wouldn’t make him happy but that’s just my opinion. Still finding out a lot about my faith but it’s very interesting to me just how divided we all are as Christians. May we continue to have our eyes open and reading his word. God bless you All
I think it’s preferable for Catholics and Protestants to focus their efforts on welcoming one another (Romans 14.1-4) rather than trying to figure out which is ‘right.’ What are your thoughts on that?
Catholics are idolaters in protestantism. Not much room for ecumenism there.
There is no “figuring out who’s wrong.” Protestantism is blatantly false and far too recent to have an ounce of truth. It truly matters to know if you’ve been taught a lie.
@bevious If it was blatantly false there wouldn't be protestants.
@@bevious I think you and I see the issue itself differently, luckily that is precisely the audience of Romans 14.1-4, people who disagree. My question is particularly focused on whether or not you would be willing to apply the command in Romans 14.1 to a Protestant.
@@EEchoRoom I don't reject people, but I do rebuke error for their own good. This isn't a matter of preference for a specific food but rather a denial of the truth that puts their soul in peril by believing in heresy. A healthy rebuke with truth is necessary. Titus 1:13-14 But I also do not waste my time with people that resist the truth. Matthew 10:14
Your amazing brother!!! 1 apostolic Catholic Church 🙏🙏🙏 “the gates of hell will never prevail” 👊👊👊👊 God Bless You 🙏🙏🙏
Athanasius on sola scriptura. He stated our position exactly. Scripture alone, not Popes or Councils, is infallible. You also reject Councils and Popes and Patriarchs but say that you don't because the ones you reject don't count.
In the early church there was no Mariolatry, no idols or icons, archbishop, no prayers to saints etc etc etc
Hmm, I'm guessing he wasn't an apostle 😉
The scriptures say the foundation is apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ as the chief corner stone. For how long? Until we come to a unity of the faith. It appears we still need them today, maybe even more than in the past. Have you checked out how many Christian churches there are!
No icons? You’re joking right?
@@kodokanshiai2143 There are no icons in the early church. None. Not one. The exact opposite is true
@@Phill0old 1. That’s not true
2. You’re using Athanasius as an authority to back up sola scriptura yet disagree with him about icons. That’s very Protestant of you. Are you able to now see the detrimental effects of sola scriptura? It’s just picking and choosing.
@@kodokanshiai2143 no, he's right. Christ and the apostles had no icons, no worship of any but God The Father. Even Jesus Christ deferred and gave glory to Him. Saints weren't anything more than members of Christ's church. E.g. "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints..." Romans 1:7; So they were no one to be prayed to either.
We can either unite under the idea that Jesus Christ is the son of God the Father, and that he cane to pay thenprice for our sins.
Or, wr can sit here and take shots at each other. And knowing the history of the Catholic Church; I dont think you really want to go there.
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been waiting for this comment 😂 everyone acts like they’re so high and mighty like the Catholic Church hasn’t been commuting sins for centuries. Literally no one is perfect not a single one of us is sinless. ALL OF US ARE TRASH. But because of him we’re saved. Praise him, meditate on his word, open your eyes and see it for what it truly is. His main commandment was for us to love each other, yet Christians still find a way to tear each other down. Can we all just humble ourselves and see it for what it is. We are saved because of HIM. Us relying on other sinners to tell us how to live is kinda weird when he told us HIMSELF.
St. Augustine “It is shown with sufficient clearness that the grace of God, which both begins a man’s faith and which enables it to persevere unto the end, is not given according to our merits, but is given according to His own most secret and at the same time most righteous, wise, and beneficent will; since those whom He predestinated, them He also called.
When the gift of God is granted to them…none of the saints fails to keep his perseverance in holiness even to the end.” (In De Perseverantiae).
Never listen to Protestants quote Augustine... it is never in context and always an "quote" that is interpreted against Augustine's own doctrine.
1) Holy Eucharist (Transubstantiation or Real Presence)
I [will] explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table. . . . That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ. (Sermon 227: A.D. 411)
2) Baptism and Baptismal Regeneration
It is an excellent thing that the Punic [North African] Christians call baptism salvation and the sacrament of Christ’s body nothing else than life. Whence does this derive, except from an ancient and, as I suppose, apostolic tradition, by which the churches of Christ hold inherently that without baptism and participation at the table of the Lord it is impossible for any man to attain either to the kingdom of God or to salvation and life eternal? This is the witness of Scripture too.
The sacrament of baptism is most assuredly the sacrament of regeneration. (Forgiveness and the Just Deserts of Sin, and the Baptism of Infants, A.D. 412; 1:24:34 and 2:27:43)
Baptism washes away all, absolutely all our sins, whether of deed, word, or thought, whether sins original or added, whether knowingly or unknowingly contracted. (Against Two Letters of the Pelagians, A.D. 420, 3:3:5)
3) Reconciliation: Confession, Absolution, and Penance
I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance. (Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed , A.D. 395; 7:15, 8:16 )
Let us not listen to those who deny that the Church of God has power to forgive all sins. (De agon. Christ., iii)
In that one [Adam], as the apostles says, all have sinned. Let, then, the damnable source be rebuked, that from the mortification of rebuke may spring the will of regeneration-if, indeed, he who is rebuked is a child of promise,-in order that, by the noise of the rebuke sounding and lashing from without. . . . God may by his hidden inspiration work in him from within to will also. If, however, being already regenerate and justified, he relapses of his own will into an evil life, assuredly he cannot say, “I have not received,” because of his own free choice to evil he has lost the grace of God that he had received (On Rebuke and Grace, ch. 9).
The CC affirms that so i do not get what you think you’re getting at. Once can receive an increase in Grace from merit we receive from God. Meaning as a reward for living out the faith. God is not required to give me a reward just as I don’t have to give me daughter a “merit” for getting an A in school. It is a reward if I CHOOSE to give it to her. It doesn’t not earn your way to heaven unlike the straw man arguments from Protestants
Full video?
Augustine was basically a calvinist
Jesus made clear in his illustration at Matthew 13:24-30 that the Devil would commence a great apostasy shortly after the deaths of the apostles. Acts 20-29, etc. A distinction between true Christians and false Christians would not be discernable until the time of the end.
Apostle Paul, Peter, Jude and James did not pray to saints, to Mary, and have indulgences
catholics didn't, too .. we ask Mary and all the saints to pray for us .. the only praise is to God ..
@@stormborn03Jesus only prayed to the Father, as should we, we can ask God to allow angels to surround us, but we shouldn't be praying to saints or angels whatsoever
@georgesaliba8876 Jesus and the father are one ,,
@@stormborn03 amen
@@georgesaliba8876 that’s not true
Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17: 3)
Doesn’t mean other texts can’t be looked at, but I think that its safe to assume that the word of god is infallible and anything else has varying degrees of potential fallibility
They actually were in the church fathers. You can find many beliefs from St. Augustine, Paul, Jesus Christ himself about eternal security, and you can go to St. Athanasius and St. Anselm and oh yeah, the Bible. When I say I hold to sola scriptura, I mean it's the highest authority not the only authority.
You can make the same argument against Iconography, the only difference being that Tertulian and Clement of Alexandria and others actively taught against Icons. Not to mention (to my knowledge which is limited) the ideas of the bodily assumption of Mary, or the perpetual virginity of Mary are also not mentioned by the early fathers, as far as I know.
The New Testament teaches Protestantism, period. Grace alone!, the church fathers are the apostles, with Christ. Ephesians 2:20
because people of old didn’t outwardly profess their believe in it or give it a term doesn’t mean it isn’t true or biblical.
take eternal security for example, even tho the term or phrase wasn’t explicitly given it is 100% biblical and it’s safe to say they most likely believed in it because it is what the bible teaches.
Solas Fide is in pretty much all of Paul's letters
You have to read all the scripture together it's not well this verse says this and this one says this because yes he does talk about faith but in others he adds to that. I was brought up Reformed Baptist and am Happily Catholic now God Bless!!!
You can’t cherry pick what to believe, take all of it or leave it. The Bible doesn’t disagree with itself only if you discard the Book of James.
@@bevious dont forget catechism 818 we still are supposed to call them Brothers and sisters in Christ. I agree with you though
James does not contradict Paul James said that faith without works is dead
But it is not the works that save you it's your faith in Jesus Christ
You will know them by their fruit aka their works but by no means do works save you
If we could be saved by our works there would be no need for Jesus
@@BrownRecluse1738 I don't think James contradicts Paul either but not for the reasons you think.
Paul was talking about works of the law not good works. The apparent contradiction is with surface-level readers who ignore the historical context and the tradition that is interlaced in words.
James is telling us that there is a type of faith that is not fruitful. To be saved, you must have living faith. If there is a faith without works, you will not be saved, and therefore, good works are needed to be saved, not as a mere demonstration of faith.
This is a false premise- "If we could be saved by our works, there would be no need for Jesus"
Without Jesus, where would we be saved to? Jesus' one sacrifice makes it possible to be saved.
Noah had faith and also had to build the ark.
Abraham had faith but also had to go through with sacrificing his son.
Jesus had faith but still had to carry his cross and die on calvary.
We must have faith but also remain faithful - which is an enduring faith that goes beyond initial justification - the moment we believe. To perform good works is not to save yourself as Jesus remains the final judge of your salvation.
All of our good works will be put to the test in 1 Corinthians 3:15. For even the demons believe - but clearly, they only have the type of faith that is not living.
Except the filioque right? That’s okay to believe in despite the early church not believing it lol
Umm…you do realize that the Filioque is taught in Scripture, right? And you do realize that that there many Saints in the first millenium in both the east and west who believed it and taught it, right? And you do realize that the East was in communion with the west for nearly 600 years after the west added the Filioque to the Creed, right? The Filioque was never an issue in the first millennium. The first person who ever made an issue about it in the 9th century later recanted his objection and came back into communion with Rome
@@VoiceOfReason_heresy
@@VoiceOfReason_what about Pope St. Leo III (who you claim is infallible) being so against the filioque that he had the original creed carved in silver tablets and placed at the doors of St. Peters? Seems pretty anti filioque to me
@@VoiceOfReason_Catholics will quotemine a million fathers on economic procession and claim it applies to hypostatic procession. You do know the dispute is over hypostatic procession, right? something which was universally NOT taught first millennium. Literally nobody disagrees on economic procession, which is what the saints you are referring to speak of. I would hope you’re being ignorant rather than dishonest, but you’re an apologist so you should know
“For faith itself alone grants justification and sanctification. Thus any flesh whatsoever-Jews or those from the Gentiles-is justified on the basis of faith, not works or observance of the Jewish Law (Gal 2:16)” - Marius Victorinus, ~ 300 AD
This passage refers to the Judaizers of the early church who believed we had to maintain Mosaic law. Not good works.
Did the early church beleive in 7 sacraments?
Even the catholic or Orthodox Church does not merit such title. Jesus did not specifically endorse any denomination. He endorsed Peter, inspired Paul. So focus on the message.
To the best of my knowledge, the problem with the orthodox and Catholic Church is that they have made it too much of religion over relationship with God. There’s also a lot of scandals amongst others which has driven people away from God.
I am always willing to be educated on my lack of knowledge. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Can we not debate amongst ourselves and focus on debating with satanism, islam and other religions where our brothers and sisters haven't been saved yet?
The problem here is you're labeling Protestants as one. As far as I know and observe, it's very easy to determine which ones are heretical. Just look at their core doctrine. Is it aligned with the Apostles' / Nicene Creed? Should be good... Other theology differences are negligible (at least to me), meaning, whether you believe it or not (the 'minor' issues), it does not affect your salvation.
Even if the claim being posited were true (which it is not), that wouldn’t make Protestant theology wrong. It just would mean the church discovered certain truths later on in history. And there are numerous fathers that do comment on Protestant beliefs, but conveniently those church fathers are just wrong.. And all the other fathers that make certain theological claims which endorse Roman Catholic dogma are all right. Even if they’re blatant anachronisms and inserting dogma (that didn’t develop until hundreds of years later) into the scripture. Not to mention what they tout was absolutely unknown to the apostles. If they had known about it.. It woulda made it into the New Testament!
Overtime, the Catholic Church came to prove the most fundamental reason as to why we need Christ. We are sinful and imperfect, and as such, the institutions we create will also fall into this pattern, despite our best efforts. The Roman church became corrupt, preaching the words of politics above the Bible, and became a powerful entity that existed to enrich and glorify itself, not God.
This is not necessarily their fault though. All things of this Earth, including the church, will have a separation from God. We must be vigilant against this. The Catholic Church fell into the same problems that all human beings and institutions do. The PR was meant to reset and repair this.
We must not fool ourselves: no priest, pope, or deacon can take priority over the Bible, or Christ himself. The church as an institution is critical and important to our faith and salvation, to assume otherwise is folly. But the idea that the Church is the only saving element is wrong. We are saved by Christ and Christ alone.
Amen
I am a Muslim so not really related to this but I have a question, do Protestants, Catholics and orthodox believe that each other will go to heaven or not?
Yes we do, because our core beliefs are all the same, that jesus is the way and the life and that he died on the cross for us and that the only way to the father is through him.
@@iwasdroppedatbirth2409 ouh ok thx because I partly heard otherwise. What about Unitarian Christians, Mormons and Jehovas witnesses? As far as I know they also all believe that Jesus died for their sins, ain’t they?
Faith alone in Christ alone. Stop adding to the Gospel
Eternal Security can’t be found in the Bible? Lol, then what is ETERNAL life then?😅
Protestantsim is purely heretical
Of course it wasn’t, but there’s so much questionable doctrine in the Catholic Church it’s easier to go back to the scriptures and seal it for good. Can’t add, can’t take away.
All you mentioned is biblical especially eternal security cuz it’s called everlasting in bible
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Catholics went too far with the Mary and Saints prayers though 😅
Absolutely
Not really, the early Church did the same
@@kerinuc1724 The early church did not pray to Mary and Saints lol
All these debates of "early church did not do this" and "early church did do this" can easily be verified. Ask the Orthodox church. Practically unchanged since the apostles. Paradosis and the tendency to reject reform has left us in pretty much the original state that Jesus gave us.
But of course, everyone won't care about the original church because they all have their own agendas.
@@Taison77 I don't know about the Orthodox Church, I know the Bible doesn't talk about anything about praying to Mary or Saints.🙂
Or because there's no such *true single doctrine* (christianity) from the begining ...
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There's thousands sect, that you call genostic...
There's thousands gospel, that you call aprocripha
Catholic Church was only Orthodox to 350. Then the heavy False doctrines were added slowly. The unique Protestant features are false doctrines also. Eastern Orthodox have 25 false doctrines Catholics 95. Go to Orthodox Christian Church with no false doctrines.
Understanding False doctrines is important.
😂 thats funny
How can you prove they are false doctrines? Not trying to argue just genuinely asking hoping to open up a discussion
@@user-xm5tj5sd3b A lot of these have been known as false doctrines for years. Since way before 1550 in the Casa of Catholic False doctrines. They started the Protestant Reformation.
You can look at one and go through the Bible and see they are. Like Once Saved Always Saved contradicts 100s of verses in the Bible. To fix it Once Saved Always Saved in the light is not a false doctrine.
Take the Eucharist and John 6
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit[e] and life.
Jesus tells us that it is not real flesh and is the Holy Spirit in the Eucharist. And since the flesh is the Bread and we receive the Holy Spirit and the Light. We can believe the light is the blood.
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
Then Peter says the Eucharist used in this way is to give Eternal life(holy Spirit) and save people. And that those left have believed have the Holy Spirit and Light.
Looking at the similar first passage where Jesus says Rememberance he must be talking to saved disciples.
Ok, So the Eucharist is Jesus in us and has the Holy Spirit and Light. So, can you get a larger infilling of Holy Spirit?
The Bible seems to tell us yes, if we look at Moses and 70 elders
Some of the Spirit is taken from Moses and given to elders. So Moses has more than elders
The only issue is calling it the real blood and flesh of Christ. It's procedure is correct.
@@user-xm5tj5sd3b Now, the Catholic Church killed many people who didn't believe Jesus's real flesh and blood was in the Eucharist. Even though the Bible contradicts that. This is not something that is super Biblically wrong in taking the Eucharist. The only issue is Real blood and flesh or Holy Spirit (and light) as Bible says. You always receive the light with Holy Spirit.
And many people died over it. And true Christian Believers inside the Catholic Church tried to fix things until Protestant Reformation.
Pass the bottle you're drinking . You've had enough
Read your scripture again in the original context. Sola scriptura is actually an OT to NT truth. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)
Bruh aint nooo way Sola fide emerged in the sixteenth century
Christians fighting ☕️
Yea one of my favorite saints was Catholic Saint Augustine of hippo
Yep once saved always saved is a false doctrine all the way
No HolySpirit leading you in truth who is truth in all truth u can and will be lead astray. Do not forget when Jesus was fasting for 40 days the devil himself came and tempted Jesus with scripture. But Jesus is the word in flesh literal Truth Himself. Do go about seeking Truth without Truth Himself leading you.
Jesus Is Lord.
The Bible interprets itself and its by following the commands of King Yeshua himself, who dwelt in the Father and the Father in Him, that we come to know what the scriptures say. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That same Word became flesh and dwelt then as it does now and did going all the way back to Adam long before there was ever any established Hierarchy among men. The Bible is the Written Witness of the Experience of that same Light, That Living Spoken Word that was in the Mouth of Christ. That same Word Created the Heaven and Earth that we can see with our own Eyes and is the same when We approach YHWH Elohim with the Heart that is broken and Contrite just as David, Abraham, Moses Peter, James, John and all heard and saw the things in which he said and did. The Jews themselves were given the perfect priesthood that showed everyone that Humans fail to uphold what is contained in the Law and continually become corrupted. They continually(outside of Those who YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI chose to have His word with them) failed abd caused others to sin because, just like the Roman Catholic Church, saw thenselves as the oracle and it was their interpretations that put the congregation in rituals and slavery to the Temple and they lived lavishly off the backs of others while tbe poor, widows and fatherless suffered. He that eats of my flesh and drinks of my blood dwells in me and I in him is not about eating a cracker and drinking wine, but is about following the path laid out by the Son of Man in plain language and is seen in those that walked with The True and Living God YHWH ELOHIM in the Old Testement. It isnt about an individual relationship but about a full body of those who The Spirit of God dwells in, However the True Temple of God in Zion is built by those living individual stones fit neatly together by the glue that is the Eternal Word of God Spoken by the mouth of The Living God himself((1Peter 2:5-9) Those who are the children of the Kingdom are those who the Spirit of Truth dwells within by those whom the Son of man has sewn the seed of the Kingdom within by that very following of HIS commands to Love God with all their heart mind soul and strength so as to love their neighbor as they would themselves. That Spirit of Truth that grows from that Spiritual seed is the offspring of THE HOLY Spirit of God that ONLY dwells in those that again, follow Yeshuas commands, not a Pagan Institution that proudly proclaims itself something it isnt. The ROCK(The cornerstone1 00Peter 2:6-8, psalm 118, Acts 4:18, Ephesians2:20Jeremiah 51:26,Job 38:4-6) by which the Church is born and grows from is the REVELATION that the Man called Jesus in the Bible IS the One that will save them from their sins and restore unto them the freedom that was lost, not a life of servitude to a church a bunch of men that have exalted themselves as something special because they can reiterate doctrines of men and use the Bible to subvert the minds of the unstable souls. Christ told Peter that Blessed He was because the Revelation he recieved is that which was given to him by God himself, not flesh and blood(Matthew 16). Peter didnt find it through the traditions and teachings of the priesthood or from the scribes or chief priests but by the Father himself revealing it to him neither did any other ever.
Have you not read about David when he went to the Temple and ate the shewbread? Christ showed what the True meaning of the priesthood is by giving the Bread of Life to the hungry rather than withholding it and using it as a means to Lord over others just as you and the RCC has done for centuries telling the people that the cravker and wine is actual blood and flesh. John 6 shows clearly that by the people who walked away, that it wasnt an actual eating of human flesh abd human blood as the hearers that walked away did not understand and thought that is what he meant.
A Good Tree does not bring forth Corrupt fruit nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. The Roman Catholic Church has not only held people under the chains of rituals and idolatry praying to Pagan gods with Christian Names slapped on top, but has withheld the Truth in order to justify the doctrines because they themselves have become the very fulfilment of the wicked ones prophesied throughout the Old Testement (Jeremiah 23:16,Isaiah 29:13, Ezekiel 33:31,Matthew 15:7-9, Jude, 2 Peter) The charged money for forgiveness of sins, seized governmental control and teach them that its not about Loving God with all your heart mind soul and strength so as to love your neighbor as yourself but showing allegiance to the 'Church' and its Papacy a very counterfeit lineage just like that of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, but also was exposed for sexually molesting millions of children. No people of the High Pirest abd Spiritual offspring will do such things as the Law and Prophets, Psalms and Prophets, New Testement and Revelation shows us. The Christ who is the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, was a lowly poor man who did not exalt himself to robes and effeminate religious garb, and rituals that led to no profit but was a carpeneter that followed the Law of God as was intended and spoken of by the Prophets. The seed of the Christ is in those that Your Institution has persecuted. The Word of God is the most vital part of the enduring unto Eternal Life and yet, the RCC wants it hidden by their own interpretation. The RCC even went so far as to kill individuals that YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI was moving in to bring forth that Word of God to the Common man in his own language. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for demeaning the poor and keeping them in darkness using the scripture to guilt people into submitting to the Satanic institution of a sensual pagan religion that goes all the way back to Nimrod and Semiramus. The RCC is modern day Sun worship and believe me when I say this, Your participation in such iniquity to cause others to sin will be brought back upon your own head. Let this be your last Warning.
The Rosary prayer also started in the Middle Ages, as this is also absent from the early church.
The rosary was a way to teach people who couldn't read about the mysteries of the Gospel and meditate on them
That's quite possible. It's a prayer. What point are you trying to illustrate?
@@vinoneil he points out that certain Protestant traditions didn’t start until the 15th-16th century but this Catholic tradition didn’t start until the 10-11th century. It’s not consistent with the early church fathers’ doctrine
@@davidww5792 the Rosary is a prayer practice, and not a doctrine. Further to that, no Catholic is mandated to pray the rosary. It's highly recommended, but no Catholic is being told that their soul's salvation depends on it, nor is it a core belief or doctrine. A Catholic can, theoretically, live their entire life having never said a single Hail Mary. Also, there are different prayer practices within the Catholic Church which uses the rosary beads for prayers devoted solely to Jesus. The practice of using prayer beads actually pre-dates Christianity, so this isn't a unique feature of Catholicism by any means.
@@davidww5792 I wish I could be a Protestant and have no duty to a life of prayer & asceticism. Just kick back & rest on my laurels and have fried chicken every Sunday with Pastor Bubba down at the local Baptist church and talk about those darn Cath-licks. Or maybe you're one of those more modern progressive Prots who jams out with rock music posing as 'worship' music?
Hey Saul of Tarsus, arent they reading your letters?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8-10
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
By Grace. It is *by grace* we are saved through faith. Also, note it does not say faith *alone* (despite what Martin Luther put in his bible translation of this verse). Your second reference says "all scripture" is God-breathed, but not "only scripture" is God-breathed. God gave his Holy Spirit to his church too.
St Paul was writing about judaizers when he wrote about works, who claimed we had to follow Mosaic law.
When you have a lot of people in one religion they will believe a lot of different things. Just like the Catholic church. Like for example you have what a papal lineage or something like that from Peter. If you read first and second Peter they are the most anti-catholic books you can find. Cuz Peter was married. He was never at Rome his bones were found at Jerusalem contrary to Catholic tradition. Which by the way Catholic tradition tends to be wrong.
Like I explained before and other comments. The Catholics has made sure to put the Bible in the index of forbidden books. Which I'm sure the scholar is well aware of. The index of forbidden books is a index of books you cannot read according to the Catholic church. Books that are against Catholic faith. And now if you research all the new versions and how many of them were from Catholic text. Or translated by majority Catholics you have the upwards of 100 Bible versions out of the 200 and some new versions. Is there a out there. If you want to talk about contradictions in beliefs throughout a religious history the Catholic church has plenty of it. Like I also have mentioned earlier during the people schism when they were two popes ruling at the same time.
It's like you just want to protect a Catholic dogma. Under the guides of a voice of reason.
So when did the apostles pray to Mary, “venerate” saints, pray with beads, or take orders from a pope? Lol
You don’t think the Apostles ever asked Mary the mother of Jesus for her prayers???? You don’t think Mary prayed for her Son’s Apostles???
And the Apostles talk about Saint veneration in their writings. The Apostle Paul explains the theology of it in 1 Corinthians 12. Ever read in the Apostles’ writings where that exhort Christians to give each other the kiss of peace? That’s a form of Saint veneration. Not only do we venerate the Saints in Heaven, but also the Saints on earth.
When did the Apostles ever take orders from a Pope? Have you ever read the Book of Acts? Lol. Peter the Apostle was the first Pope, the first leader of the universal Christian Church. Jesus Himself made Peter the universal pastor in Matthew 16, Luke 22 and John 21. I highly recommend that you read Scripture to get your questions answered.
@@VoiceOfReason_ There is absolutely zero proof and nothing in the Scriptures that points to any of the Apostles asking Mary to intercede or mediate for them in prayer. That's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the Catholic prayer to Mary: "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy..."
How is that Biblical?!
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus"
I hope I'm reading your comment incorrectly, but did you cite 1 Corinthians 12 as justification for Catholic "veneration" (worship) of the saints, specifically the kiss of peace? Every second you pray to one of your saints (a pagan practice), you aren't praying to God through Jesus Christ. Remember that.
We're now reaching Jehovah's Witness-level manipulation of Scripture if that's really how Catholics justify plastering their "churches" with graven images of the saints, which as you probably know is a total disregard for God's 2nd Commandment. (Didn't Catholics delete that Commandment from their doctrine somehow?!)
As far as the pope, if the Catholic understanding of Acts is correct (it isn't), and Peter was in fact the first pope (he wasn't), where does it say in the Scriptures that the pope is infallible as is taught in Catholic doctrine? I seem to be reading something Paul wrote that says the opposite...
Galatians 1:8
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
The truth is, the Catholic Church teaches a false gospel. It's a false, works-based (prescriptive prayers, false confessions to a "father", self-flagellation, forced celibacy, etc.) religion that will go down in history as Satan's greatest deception.
Remember when your church used to charge money for mass? Remember when they demanded money for entrance into Heaven? Remember when they chained up the Bible so laymen couldn't access it? Remember when Catholics murdered actual Christians for disseminating God's Word? Catholicism is a lie straight from the pits of hell. And it has nothing to do with original or fundamental Christianity, or any Christianity at all.
Let me ask you this. How does a Catholic get saved? Well, let me tell you how a Christian is saved. Have faith in the Risen Lord Jesus Christ and repent. I implore you to drop all of this, stop spreading lies and false doctrine, and come to the Lord through faith.
@@VoiceOfReason_You've been deceived. Praying to Mary is never mentioned in the bible. Assuming she was is not biblical. And no Peter was not the first pope. This is wrong, the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter ever being in Rome. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter ever being in Rome.
@@holyhecks no, YOU have been deceived. First of all, just because something isn’t explicitly in Scripture doesn’t mean it isn’t true. 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
You know what is explicitly in Scripture? Revelation 5:8 & 8:3 both say that the Saints in Heaven present the prayers of the Saints on earth before the throne of God. So Mary, who is in Heaven, can present our prayers before God. And we can even ask her to do this because we know that the Body of Christ is not divided, according to St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, and we know from the Gospel and also from Hebrews 11 & 12 that the Saints in Heaven are aware of the saints on earth, which also explains how they can present our prayers before God, again, as it is described in Revelation 5 & 8.
And you are just plain wrong about the universal authority of Peter the Apostle. Go back and re read Mathew 16, Luke 22 and John 21. Jesus out Peter in charge OVER even the other Apostles.
And just because his death isn’t recorded in scripture doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You do realize that history didn’t just stop after the New Testament was completed, right? We actually have the writings of the early Christians who KNEW the Apostles personally, and that all tell us that Peter, the chief of the Apostles and the head of the entire Christian Church was martyred in Rome. They also say that his successors in Rome hold his office of universal pastor of the Church.
@@holyhecks It probably isn't worth it to tell him the truth or debate. The deception runs far too deep, evident by his citing Thessalonians 2:15 as justification of false Catholic doctrine. It's sad but there's many such cases. All we can do is pray for Catholics who believe these lies.
Cool story bro! Except every single abrahamic religion falls apart with any critical assessment, so your religion is ALSO nonsense, just for different reasons. It’s so funny to me that the defenders of an all-powerful god just have the WEAKEST arguments. Pathetic.
Provide your critical assessment. Anything else is just pointless derision.
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 kYou may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel lyou shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Rather than extrapolating verses to confirm your own false moral superiority complex, how about you humble yourself before YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI before its too late for you. Maybe if you knew how to read a book as a whole and see things panoramically, then you wouldn't be going about trying to use the authority of the word of YHWH ELOHIM ADONAI for your own exaltation
@@KoreshDabar-YHWHbenYisrael the baby killing slavery god?
Arguing over nothing. Theres more facts you left out. But go back to basics, which is stick with Jesus. He did not divide. It was man that made his teachings in so many branches. Satan is trying to divide and conquer.
The Roman Catholic Church certainly isn’t teaching fundamentalism with the worship of Mary and creating a position called the pope.
Start at the front of the book to find sound doctrine.
You obviously have not read the Bible.
Mathew's 16 :18 - 20
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
It's a good thing, then, that the Catholic Church expressly forbids worship of anyone or anything, except for God.
Listen friend, as a fellow Prot, you are grossly misrepresenting the Catholic Church doctrine.
They don’t “worship” Mary, they venerate her. There is a huge difference. Just because you ask for someone’s intersession on your behalf, that doesn’t mean you are worshipping them.
Also Catholics believe the Papacy to be in the Bible. Jesus Christ gave the keys to St Peter as well as refer to him as “the rock upon which I build my Church”.
If you are going to disagree, at least do it in a way that accurately reflects the beliefs of the other party. If you don’t, you make all of us look bad.
Talk 2 Sam shamoun
Absolute hogwash.
🗣️SOLA SCRIPTURA‼️
👉(Matthew 4:4)
👉(Isaiah 8:20)
👉(2Timothy 3:16)
👉(Isaiah 28:10)
Peace be with 🙏🏽
All heretics are able to distort passages to make them say what they want them to say. The point of this video is that it’s a problem that no faithful Christians believed what you believe and the writings of the early fathers actually condemn you. That should concern you given that Christ promised he would lead the church into all truth.
The Apostles didn't believe in sola scriptura , there is a quote found in the new testament that's not in the old testament. So obviously they were gleening from a wide variety of sources. Do you know the verse I'm talking about ?
@lonniestoute8762
1 Corinthian 4 6
Sola scriptura
Whether sola scriptura is explicitly taught in the scriptures, we know that God never changes. It's an argument against extrabiblical things that go against the teachings of the Bible.
@@chandlermarmino4399 Sure , and the point of that verse and teaching is to avoid vain speculation. To hold fast to the letters and teachings handed down from the apostles.
That verse doesn't exclude oral teachings cause we have other verses that uphold the oral teachings as well as written .
And let me ask you this , it wasn't until the Catholic Church actually put the Bible together ( year 400 about ) and decided that the books we have today would be the " writings" for the teaching of the faithful, so if sola scriptura was legit in the early Church , exactly which writings was being held too? We know there were many so called Gospels and other letters from Apostles floating around before the Catholic Church formed the Bible. So exactly which writings are sola scriptura?
The ones the Catholics told you to learn 😆
None of those verses explicitly teaches Sola Scriptura, since Prots like to try to use the Bible in order to justify their false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. You failed to defend Sola Scriptura, Prot.
This guy is talking foolishness... the Bible itself states the concept of Sola Scriptura..
At the end of John it says that they couldn't fit all Christ did and taught.
No, all the protestant beliefs are absent from Early Catholicism. Catholicism doesn't line up with scripture and is nowhere close to the followers of Christ in the Gospels and the nook of Acts.
It’s not about if It’s found in the church it’s about what’s found in the Bible. Most people couldn’t even read the Bible so the church used that to their advantage and convinced people salvation was earned by works to benefit them. For example indulgences.
Where is Sola Scriptura found in the bible?
Wasting time focusing on knowledge and being right vs being made right-eous.
@@vinoneil Scripture alone, or Sola scriptura Is highly implied in Acts 16:11 which is about the Berean Jews who were complimented by the disciples for following only scripture alone compared to the Jews in Thessalonica who did not implement this principle into their teachings. In 1st Corinthians 4:6 Paul warns the Christians of Corinth not to “go beyond what is written”. Jesus himself criticized those who put the value of traditions over the commandments of God in mark 7:6-9. Sola scriptura is all about obeying the word of God through, regardless of traditions, see 2 Timothy 2:15.
@@user-sf4bu5iv9p the bible was compiled by the church meaning your against the same church that made the bible. Why do you trust their authority? Also search up the canon conundrum because that disproves sola scriptura
@@RayBooM_ You’re correct in saying that the canon of scripture itself is not mentioned directly in the Bible because the scripture itself is written by different authors, and while all scripture is God breathed, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, some scripture was not implemented into the Biblical canon. For example the gospel of Thomas, Peter, Mary and Pontus Pilate. To be included in the New Testament scripture had to meet certain criteria. The first is that to be included, the gospels had to be written by eyewitness, like Matthew and John, or someone who knew an eyewitness like Mark and Luke. The second criteria was that they had to agree with orthodox Christian faith. So the Gnostic gospels like the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of Thomas teach that the body is evil and the spirit is good, which contradict orthodox Christian belief. So the Canon of the Bible is based on what the scripture itself stated to be included in the Biblical canon. That’s why the church today can’t just write new teachings that contradict the Bible because they never knew Jesus. Another thing is that I could ask a Catholic who decides what determines which church fathers are canon or not, without using scripture as an infallible guideline?
It's not a competition. Do you hear that? It's not a competition. There are thousands of denominations and they're all Christians. It is not a competition. Stop trying to make it one.
I think you should have a conversation with with Jordan Cooper
Galatians 1:8
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
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Mark 7:7-13 - Jesus said:
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules. ' You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
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Any doctrine or tradition that contradicts the Holy Bible, constitutes "a new gospel".
While mere humans may come up with things like selling indulgences, "purgatory" or calling their priests "father", these things are not found in Holy Scripture.
It's when we stray from the "God breathed" Holy Scripture, that we begin to distort the True Word of God - and our Faith.
Hence, the cause of the Protestant Reformation.
God bless you. 😊
THEOPNEUSTOS (θεόπνευστος)
The term "theopneustos" is derived from two Greek words and is commonly translated as "God-breathed" or "inspired." It appears only once in the Bible, specifically in 2 Timothy 3:16, where it is used to describe scripture. The meaning of "theopneustos" has been a subject of debate among scholars. Some argue that it implies a divine origin, suggesting that scripture comes directly from God's breath, while others contend that it refers to the effect scripture has on individuals, emphasizing its spiritually life-giving nature rather than its origin. This debate has implications for the understanding of sola scriptura, as some Protestants have used the term to support the belief that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith. However, the interpretation of "theopneustos" as solely indicating divine origin and infallibility is questioned by examining its usage in early Christian and Jewish writings, as well as its grammatical context in 2 Timothy 3:16. Ultimately, the term may be better understood as emphasizing the spiritual efficacy of scripture rather than its exclusive authority as the only infallible rule of faith.
Instances: The Sibylline Oracles: This collection of ancient Greek oracles includes a reference to the city's theopneustic springs, indicating a divine or spiritually life-giving quality associated with these springs. The Sibylline Oracles were composed by different authors over several centuries and were considered prophetic in nature.
Testament of Abraham: This Jewish pseudepigraphical work contains a reference to the use of theopneustic ointments to preserve the body of the righteous Abraham after his death, with the hope of his potential resurrection. The Testament of Abraham is believed to have been written sometime between the 1st and 5th centuries CE and is part of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha.
Other than that, I would encourage you to read “The Protestant Challenge”
Sure Protestant faith alone and the other fides were in the time of the apostles, as seen in the earliest writings…aka the Bible. The Pope at one point told people to stop reading their Bibles because people realized the Catholic Church was wrong immediately after looking for themselves.
Citation please? Otherwise you're just repeating false Protestant speaking points without actually *proving anything* .
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Why don’t you just do what the Apostles and Messiah taught us to do?
Keep the 10 Commandments and eat clean.
Because there are more than 10 commandments in the new testament. Everything Jesus said to do, and with his authority given to the Apostles what they instruct- are all commandments.
@@forestguardian2 Very true. Won’t then don’t the Christian church teach any of what Christ *commanded* us to do?
Well, I grew up in a protestant Church, and then later in life started attending an Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church spares no one's feelings and covers it all. They fear none but God.
Some of it is hard to hear, especially for the first time, but they preserve the word and spare no details in it's study.
@@forestguardian2 Yet the Orthodox Church forsake the Sabbath, parade around with graven images/idols and celebrate Easter and Xmas. All of which break Christs teachings/commandments.
Why did Christ tell us to leave the church (whore and many harlots)?
@@forestguardian2 YT doesn’t seem to like my replies.
The Orthodox Church are in the same amount of trouble as the other circa 40,000 denominations of Churchtianity. All of them forsake the Sabbath (inc. SDA, they do it according to Babylonian tradition), all do Xmas, Easter and many many other doctrines of man that Christ *hates.*
Revelation 18:4 (KJV)
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
interesting just use the bible not your church history which started 300 years after the bible
Except that Christianity predated the New Testament. And, ironically, the bible does not teach the Protestant invention of Sola Scriptura.
Who do you think put together the bible?
@@cao3465 purgatory is a nice invention, a place you go to to pay for sins because Jesus didn’t pay for all of them and a place you go to for a certain amount of time in a place with a is no time purgatory where the flames are only knee-high. 1 timothy 2:5 there is one God, and one mediator between God and men , the man christ, Jesus well, and Mary ain’t that right? Matthew 6:7 when you pray, don’t use vein, repetition, like the heathen for they think they will be heard for their many words. so say three our fathers and 10 Hail Mary, and of course say Them them as fast as you can. and by all means throw out the second Commandment and split the tenth so there will still be 10 because we still want our graven images.
Yep, and it just gets worse from there. It's amazing how much was lost in the first three centuries! I've seen ancient documents of Christ that were hidden from the Catholic church by concerned priests because they knew the manuscript would be destroyed if they didn't (that's how we have them today, along with the letter explaining the importance of hiding them).
JESUS says keep Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy!
“The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
-Father Enright,
American Sentinal, June 1893.
7th day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11)
1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7)
The WORD teaches 7th day is holy!
The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy!
🤔WHO DO YOU OBEY????
“Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” - Colossians 2:16-17
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Colossians 2:16 EXPLAINED!!!
To understand Colossians 2:16,
I think we should first get a little more context on the verse.
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:14 speaks of:
-Handwriting
-Ordinances
-Contrary & Against us!!!
👆🏽This sure doesn’t sound like
God’s Ten Commandments written on stone tablets with the Finger of GOD!
God’s Law is PERFECT!!!
👉(Psalm 19:7)
God’s Law is forever!
👉(Luke 16:17)
The 10 Commandments is NEVER referred to as “ordinances” in the Holy Bible!
The Law of Moses
👉was written with HANDWRITING!
👉did contain ORDINANCES!
👉 was CONTRARY & AGAINST us!!!
👆🏽This was just for a little more context
(Colossians 2:16 😃Great question! )
There's TWO different Sabbaths in the Holy Bible.
1) The WEEKLY 7th day sabbath
Established at creation (Genesis 2:2,3)
Commanded in God's Law(Exo.20:8-11)
An eternal law for all mankind!
2) The 7 ANNUAL feast sabbaths
Found in the "Law of Moses"
(Leviticus Ch.23) a temporary law commanded for ancient Israel.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moons, or of the sabbath days.
~ Colossians 2:16
▪️MEAT = Sacrificing animals
▪️DRINK = Drink offerings
▪️HOLYDAY = feast days were also called "holyday"
▪️NEW MOONS = the feast days fell according to the new moons cycle.
▪️SABBATHS = the feast days were also called "sabbaths" regardless of the day of the week it might have fallen on.
(Col.2:16)
is obviously speaking of the
"Feast Sabbaths" found in the:
👉Law of Moses.
Now if a "Feast Sabbath" happen to fall on the "Weekly Sabbath" then this was called a: HIGH SABBATH!
👉(John 19:31)
For more info on the feast sabbaths
READ 👉(Leviticus Ch.23)
I pray this sheds more light on this verse, please let me know your thoughts?
God bless you🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The Mosaic covenant was broken lol why are you citing it have you read the bible?
@@ixxdiego
God’s Law = 10 Commandments!
Mosaic Law = 613 laws!
The Ten Commandments are also found in the New Testament.
@@protestant77 I can't see what this has to do low Church prottie
They are literally found in the Bible. Any idiology opposite to what the Bible says be it catholic or protestant cannot be a Christian church. Period.
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Good thing that the Catholic Church does not teach anything opposed by the Bible.
@@vinoneil that's the most stupidest statement ever. Why do you think people including me come out of the Roman Catholic Church? We see lies and don't want to be part of it. If your statement was true why for the longest time did the catholic church killed anyone who translated the Bible?
Yet it is all in the Bible and that became clear when literacy spread, and everyone got a Bible
Just checked back in with this side of RUclips - didn't realise people were still Christian.
Funny ol' world.
Saying nothing while using words. What an accomplishment.
@@vinoneil
Yeah, they do have a knack for that.
A bit vacuous despite superficially sounding meaningful.
Lies
Liar
First of all, you're a liar.
Secondly, Eternal Security is in The BIBLE. Thirdly, you have obviously never even read the book of John.
The fact is ....he had intentionally changed his voice to be a big mouth and trying to be trustworthy. But he is a complete liar😅