Yet another brilliant, wonderful, fantastic episode in this exciting & fabulous series!! Thx for bringing us all all along in the beautiful adventures of such a noble ship & Her amazing crew!!
Prosecutor: Instead of calling the authorities after you stunned him, you decided right then and there to avenge yourself on him Captain: I was part of the authorities. And I did not avenge myself on him. He still lives. Had I avenged myself on him, or even made the attempt, I would be charged with murder instead of attempted murder. I did not attempt murder. I rendered him incapable of harming anyone else; including himself and will accept the consequences for that action. --End dialog I see no reason for them to charge him with attempted murder. Abuse of his authority as a Starfleet captain, unauthorized use of medical equipment, even grievous assault. But attempted murder? If he had really wanted Northon dead, the man *would have been* dead. Starfleet needs people like this in their starships' center seats. People who will put their own pain and interests on one side and do what is needed regardless of the personal cost. This man is a hero although he would never admit to being any such thing. True heroes never do.
I absolutely love your thoughtful and intelligent comments-- it makes all the hard work worth it! Thank you very much! I really appreciate your time-- and for taking the journey with us!
Heh. But we _don't have_ people like that in authority: anywhere. Know what happens to humans who _desire_ such moral strength fro m their surrogate parents but don't get it? They accept whatever inadequate people who present themselves _as_ their protectors then adjust their expectations down to that level as if they were always there. Then we make excuses for them to protect our own new level of acceptance. It's a vicious circle. Even this prosecutor. He's an authority _figure._ But what is *he,* The Person? If the entire point of courts is to have something better than Mob Justice then why does he then get to speak in such jingoistic mob justice terms to accuse? The problem with governmental systems are never the governmental systems but our perception _of_ them. We want to believe that the _systems_ are incorruptible. But here's the problem: "systems" don't exist. At all. Seriously: is there some palpable force of justice wafting invisibly by people, bestowing morality upon them as it goes? What other infantile fantasies to people entertain when it comes to mere authority _figures?_ It's a transference: since there are no physical things we can identify as embodying justice or morality, we regress to childish beliefs that these things *are embodied* by what we _can_ easily identify physically: the people _running_ the systems. But a janitor is not a mop & a judge is not justice. & these people here allaregreen.us/ sure have nothing whatever to do with morality. But we keep reverting back to believing that 1) "the systems" are sacrosanct & unquestionable, 2) semi-consciously realizing that in order for this to be true, then the people running them must be as well, then 3) believing this about mere corrupt *politicians* to replace not being able to grasp a concept without some easily-identifiable physical being to use as a reminder of what the ideal is. The concept falls apart under this: but that is & shouldn't be The Point. We citizens speak of what justice should be here in the comfortable distance of fiction. In real life, Machiavelli was right & people prefer leaders whose strength they fear MUCH more than they want one who is fair because the strong one is more comfortable to imagine as one's protector.
LOVE SEEING MY FAVORITE CHARACTER NEXT TO T'PAU, TRIP IN THIS SHOW, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THE VULCAN'S EARS THEY LOOK FINE SHAPE WISE, THEY ONLY STAND OUT FOR THEY ARE NOT FLESH TONE!!! GARY BAILEY OTHERWISE A QUITE ENJOYABLE AND PLAYED WITH LOVING RESPECT TO STAR TREK, I LOVED IT!! AS ALL TREK MY MISTAKE ON THE CAPTAIN, HE LOOKS SO MUCH LIKE CONNOR IT IS UNCANNY. GARY
1) WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? & 2) 'Flesh' tone? Gandhi's flesh, Malcolm X's or Ming Na's? Yes, I get your point, 'none of the above' but seriously, do you honestly think that they didn't know this? They're doing the best they can with what they got & that ain't a major network's budget.
@@choosecarefully408 I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I AM SHOUTING I JUST HAVE ONE OF MY SISTER'S OLD I-PAD 'S THAT ARE ABOUT 7 YRS OR MORE OLD AND SEEMS TO BE STUCK ON CAPS THATS ALL!!!GARY BAILEY
@@choosecarefully408 SO TRUE WHICH SHE DID, SHE HAS THREE, AND BEING THE LOVING KIND INDIVIDUAL SHE IS WHEN MINE FINALLY WENT KAPUT, SHE GAVE ME HER THEN SIX YEAR OLD I-PAD AND BOUGHT ANOTHER NEW ONE!!!GARY BAILEY
@@janetbailey3804 Still, you have to fix the all-caps thing. It feels like you're screaming at everyone in an angry German accent. Years ago in his VERY short-lived "The Dana Carvey Show," Dana did a piece called "Nice Things Said By German People" & they don't sound nice when said by them, which was the joke. But caps _are_ used for emphasis & constant emphasis... it's probably a form of synesthesia that it _looks like_ you're shouting.
Because these folks are fans, and not professional actors. Given that they likely have a very limited amount of time to shoot a scene, pacing is probably less important than emoting and speaking the lines right. Watching fan works often means balancing one's expectations. Not every fan production is like Star Trek Phase II, or Of Gods And Men, which did have pro actors, and a much larger budget. I'm a fan of Potemkin Studios as well, and they reuse their very own interpretation of the 2280's Bridge for.. multiple star ships of different classes, and they have a rotating cast for each ship. They're very good, but.. not every average joe is cut out to act, by nature. I think they did a good job, here.
Ace many thanks much appreciated
Yet another brilliant, wonderful, fantastic episode in this exciting & fabulous series!! Thx for bringing us all all along in the beautiful adventures of such a noble ship & Her amazing crew!!
The script was excellent!...
If only moderan Star Trek, was more like this !!!! The fans do it better.... 🖖
Prosecutor: Instead of calling the authorities after you stunned him, you decided right then and there to avenge yourself on him
Captain: I was part of the authorities. And I did not avenge myself on him. He still lives. Had I avenged myself on him, or even made the attempt, I would be charged with murder instead of attempted murder. I did not attempt murder. I rendered him incapable of harming anyone else; including himself and will accept the consequences for that action.
--End dialog
I see no reason for them to charge him with attempted murder. Abuse of his authority as a Starfleet captain, unauthorized use of medical equipment, even grievous assault. But attempted murder? If he had really wanted Northon dead, the man *would have been* dead.
Starfleet needs people like this in their starships' center seats. People who will put their own pain and interests on one side and do what is needed regardless of the personal cost. This man is a hero although he would never admit to being any such thing. True heroes never do.
I absolutely love your thoughtful and intelligent comments-- it makes all the hard work worth it! Thank you very much! I really appreciate your time-- and for taking the journey with us!
Heh. But we _don't have_ people like that in authority: anywhere. Know what happens to humans who _desire_ such moral strength fro m their surrogate parents but don't get it?
They accept whatever inadequate people who present themselves _as_ their protectors then adjust their expectations down to that level as if they were always there. Then we make excuses for them to protect our own new level of acceptance. It's a vicious circle.
Even this prosecutor. He's an authority _figure._ But what is *he,* The Person? If the entire point of courts is to have something better than Mob Justice then why does he then get to speak in such jingoistic mob justice terms to accuse? The problem with governmental systems are never the governmental systems but our perception _of_ them. We want to believe that the _systems_ are incorruptible.
But here's the problem: "systems" don't exist. At all.
Seriously: is there some palpable force of justice wafting invisibly by people, bestowing morality upon them as it goes? What other infantile fantasies to people entertain when it comes to mere authority _figures?_
It's a transference: since there are no physical things we can identify as embodying justice or morality, we regress to childish beliefs that these things *are embodied* by what we _can_ easily identify physically: the people _running_ the systems.
But a janitor is not a mop & a judge is not justice. & these people here allaregreen.us/ sure have nothing whatever to do with morality. But we keep reverting back to believing that 1) "the systems" are sacrosanct & unquestionable, 2) semi-consciously realizing that in order for this to be true, then the people running them must be as well, then 3) believing this about mere corrupt *politicians* to replace not being able to grasp a concept without some easily-identifiable physical being to use as a reminder of what the ideal is.
The concept falls apart under this: but that is & shouldn't be The Point. We citizens speak of what justice should be here in the comfortable distance of fiction. In real life, Machiavelli was right & people prefer leaders whose strength they fear MUCH more than they want one who is fair because the strong one is more comfortable to imagine as one's protector.
LOVE SEEING MY FAVORITE CHARACTER NEXT TO T'PAU, TRIP IN THIS SHOW, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THE VULCAN'S EARS THEY LOOK FINE SHAPE WISE, THEY ONLY STAND OUT FOR THEY ARE NOT FLESH TONE!!! GARY BAILEY OTHERWISE A QUITE ENJOYABLE AND PLAYED WITH LOVING RESPECT
TO STAR TREK, I LOVED IT!! AS ALL TREK MY MISTAKE ON THE CAPTAIN, HE LOOKS SO MUCH LIKE
CONNOR IT IS UNCANNY. GARY
1) WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? & 2) 'Flesh' tone? Gandhi's flesh, Malcolm X's or Ming Na's? Yes, I get your point, 'none of the above' but seriously, do you honestly think that they didn't know this?
They're doing the best they can with what they got & that ain't a major network's budget.
@@choosecarefully408 I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I AM SHOUTING I JUST HAVE ONE OF MY SISTER'S OLD I-PAD 'S THAT ARE ABOUT 7 YRS OR MORE OLD AND SEEMS TO BE STUCK ON CAPS
THATS ALL!!!GARY BAILEY
@@janetbailey3804 That's... weird. Time to get a new one I guess.
@@choosecarefully408 SO TRUE WHICH SHE DID, SHE HAS THREE, AND BEING THE LOVING KIND INDIVIDUAL SHE IS WHEN MINE FINALLY WENT KAPUT, SHE GAVE ME HER THEN SIX YEAR OLD
I-PAD AND BOUGHT ANOTHER NEW ONE!!!GARY BAILEY
@@janetbailey3804 Still, you have to fix the all-caps thing. It feels like you're screaming at everyone in an angry German accent.
Years ago in his VERY short-lived "The Dana Carvey Show," Dana did a piece called "Nice Things Said By German People" & they don't sound nice when said by them, which was the joke. But caps _are_ used for emphasis & constant emphasis... it's probably a form of synesthesia that it _looks like_ you're shouting.
Why is the acting so slow?
Because these folks are fans, and not professional actors. Given that they likely have a very limited amount of time to shoot a scene, pacing is probably less important than emoting and speaking the lines right. Watching fan works often means balancing one's expectations. Not every fan production is like Star Trek Phase II, or Of Gods And Men, which did have pro actors, and a much larger budget. I'm a fan of Potemkin Studios as well, and they reuse their very own interpretation of the 2280's Bridge for.. multiple star ships of different classes, and they have a rotating cast for each ship. They're very good, but.. not every average joe is cut out to act, by nature.
I think they did a good job, here.
🙄