I get how everyone hates the fake noises and all the other stuff but if you plan on having this car for a long time those things can be easily tuned and fixed to your liking. This was a really good review for me because I’ve been a Honda guy my whole life and the sedan SI makes it a practical daily driver. I’m in the market for one currently, and you said it yourself the fact that they’re still even making this with a manual only transmission is a big selling point
Agreed, but they're doing it because these little turbo 4s sound like trash as is. NA K series sounded great so there was no need to add anything in the old Si's.
Wow! This 18 minute video seemed like it was 5 minutes. I was very entertained and engaged for the whole time. Keep up the work and can’t wait to see what else you can get behind the wheel on!
I had a 2020 Si Coupe for about 2 and a half years and I also live in Canada. I found it awesome in the winter. Clutch was slipping and the rev hang was driving me nuts though so I got rid of it. I preferred driving that car in the winter. I found it drove better in the winter. You didn't feel the jerks from the rev hang as much if the road was covered in snow.
I agree with you but let me say this. I am shopping for a new car and I want it to be manual. My problem is finding something within 150 miles of me to choose from. The only two cars near me with a manual that is offered is a Civic and a VW GTI. No Hyundai, no Kia, no Toyota, no Genesis, etc... We can't buy them if they are not available on dealer lots. I don't even know if dealers will order you one anymore but would you order one without test driving one first?
Great review. I bought a 2020 Si a few months ago and am very happy with it. It's my daily driver, and I wanted a stick car that was both fun and practical. This checks all the boxes. I did look at the Kia Forte GT and the Jetta GLI, but when Honda added adaptive cruise to the 2020 model, that clinched it for me. It's good to have for the boring highway trips. The mileage has been a pleasant surprise, averaging 33 mpg with a lot of suburban driving (i.e. traffic lights). I do think the pumped in sound is only in Sport mode, which I don't use all that much. Also, the civicx community is a great resource if you interested in tweaking the car or adding a tune.
@@willythewhale2235 this was my first manual vehicle and it was a great and easy way of learning the skill. Took me about 2 weeks to get the hang of it.
2020 si coupe pearl white owner here - it is absolutely a super fun daily!! Of course there are tons of better cars, faster and sexier. But this was what my salary and credit was able to afford me 🤣 Great reviews man keep em coming!
This is a great bang for the buck with the limited slip diff and electronic dampers. No one offers the same value on these points, but wow that rev hang is a buzz kill. The Civic SI current generation is killing it in SCCA G Street class and I still have second thoughts about having bought a GTI (significant discount).
T.K. Morris I bought. 2018 GTI S in 2019. It was a leftover. I’ve always like the GTI look. I didn’t know the 2018 S lacked a physical limited slip differential. But at my age I’m not going to be taking SCCA Nationals by storm. Love the GTI and the hatchback format. If the SI still had a hatch I’d probably consider it again.
For 2 grand more than this Si I got a Velsoter N performace package...no rev hang, customizable drive modes, exhaust, etc...quick,nimble, rare, and most of all FUN! That being said, I am an Si fan and would consider buying one for a daily driver to replace my other car.
Yooo my neighbor has a stage 2 veloster N. Broooo that shit goes! I daily a 2017 sedan si and love it. It is definitely not as quick or nimble, but it is such a fun daily driver.
I drove this and a GTI and while i would expect the Si to last longer, the GTI was so much better in every category for me. Including price.. I've had the GTI for almost 2 years now, and it has been 100% reliable.
JEdmund27 I don't drive mine in the winter, i did the first year, but bought a winter beater so I don't drive it in the salt and snow anymore.. not that it wasn't good in the snow, it was fine, actually did great.. but i love that car and don't want it to melt like everything metal in the rust belt.. that said it's been totally reliable.. if you want yours to last just make sure you change the oil every 5k miles.. the mile interval at 10k is way too long.. these high strung motors need clean oil that oil cooled turbo will be far more expensive to replace in the long run than the oil changes..
Eye Dunno i only drive stick in a newer car, it's probably my last new car, but yeah it's definitely a stick. The clutch in the GTI is actually pretty weak so i expect that I'll get 60-100k out of it before i have to replace it.. i got 200k out of one in a corolla and nearly 350k out of one in a Previa..
Wow this is so strange, I was thinking about trading in my car for a Civic SI last night, and knew that Topher always had great videos driving cars to their max in his reviews. So I looked up to see if you had any videos on the SI, and I didn't see any new ones. Then I logged into RUclips tonight, and boom, this was my top recommended video. Thanks for reading my mind, and thanks for the great review! And wow, the cars beeps at you at redline, or was I hearing things? That's really annoying, along with the HDMI port style fake exhaust tip. Buuuuut, other than that, damn this car looks fun. Love watching you peel out to test the 0-60 time. Reviews like these are awesome.
@@markymark535 Hi, no I think I'll actually hold onto my 19 STI for now after seeing this review. I love it to death, but it just gets such poor gas mileage. Other than that it's perfect, minus a bit of road noise and a bumpy ride which doesn't bother me. Maybe I'll wait for the 21 WRX if it gets redesigned. SI looks great, but that beeping at redline seems really annoying.
I'm actually pretty interested in making this my next daily driver. So far, it seems like there's a solution to every issue that bothers me so far from these reviews - Rev hang : Get Hondata FlashPro - Engine sounds through speakers : Unplug from glove box - Honda Sensing : Turn off in menus These three things seem avoidable. If it's not as easy as I'm making it seem, can someone let me know? I really like everything else about it so far
I own a 10gen Si and it's a lot of fun driving a stick again. No major complaints I don't bother using sport mode as it's very hard to tell any difference than normal mode. I get about 28 city and high 30's highway. However, I am very intrigued by the Civic Hatch Sport w/manual that will probably be my next car.
@@williamgomez5876 one time I thought my car was in neutral so I casually let off the clutch...it wasn't in neutral. so never again do I just assume. even if I just put it in neutral, and I know I did, I still check it. what if it's not :O
I tried to buy one of these the other day. Sticker price on the window was ~26K, as we were trying to make the deal he pulls out the price sheet and a FIVE THOUSAND dollar "rarity premium" was added. As My fiance and I were sitting there as he runs to print new window price stickers and replaces them with the 31 thousand dollar new price. F u c k t h a t...crooks. I ended up purchasing a 9th gen that was really well taken care of!
1 Year later... these cars are still hard to find in Ontario.. I just scooped same one as this video.. $30,900 with 5000km on it... there was only 1 other option.. 1 hour away... a 2018 black with 30,000km and was 26,999... I think i got the better deal. Pick it up tomorrow.. CANT WAIT
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. Love it. Really fun car to drive and really fast. Love the power. Love the standard transmission as well. Only thing I don't like about the car is the rev hang. Awesome car. I recommend it to anyone who's looking to buy one.
Damn. Lovely car. But. When you bang redline and then shift, the car sounds borderline fake. Like they asked Gran Turismo for sounds. Lots of odd vacuum noises. Tough to beat with the lsd though. Makes them amazing in the snow.
Rev hang, fake cabin sound and turbo lag kill this as a buy. Rest of the car is a great value. Hope they fix those items from the factory and then it’ll be the car to buy at this price point. Thanks for the great review Topher
It's actually the engine sound thats is picked up by a mic and amolified by a speaker. It is THE engine sound and not something fake. What is there to rant about. You got your insulation and your engine sound as well. The main thing ur forgetting....this a legend car....Honda.
There is a spare tire kit available for the 2020 Civic Si from the Honda dealership as accessory item (part # 06421-TBF-A10ZA). Also, USB Rear Seat Charger Port locate in the back of center console is available as Accessory item (part # 08U57-TBA-100).
I'm at 8.5k miles right now in my 2019 and I've been thinking about solving the rev-hang with ktuner, but I don't want to void the 3yr/36k warranty. When did you get Ktuner? Did you wish you got it sooner?
@@mcJJP A tune may only void warranty on stuff that breaks directly related to the tune. Actually the powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k. My thought then was: If I don't fix the rev-hang, I may get rid of the car well before that warranty expires. It's that annoying to me. I did it at around 21k miles, and no problem so far. I always baby my car when I'm not pushing it.
You made the right choice. I had a 2020 Si Coupe and I regretted buying it because of the rev hang. Made me hate the car. I ended up getting rid of it a few weeks ago and the rev hang is half of the reason i got rid of it. Drove me nuts. Had I noticed it during the test drive, I wouldn't have bought it. I honestly have no idea how I didn't notice it during the test drive because it's very noticeable when you're driving the car.
the civic needs the accord vtec 2.0 liter, the accord needs the civic's lsd. this is the first time the accord has no engines not borrowed from the civic, and slower ones too, exceot hybrid. the accord needs it's own engine again.
11:20 I have no way to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure the collision braking system is set overly aggressive from the factory until it "learns" your driving style. When I bought my Civic new in 2017, the collision braking system, it had many false positives like you described. After a few months it really calmed down though, and I haven't had a false positive in years now.
I test drove a 2020 model. The reviews have been pretty good, so I had high hopes, but I was not too impressed. If the transmission is the high point of this car, the engine really is the low point. The rev hang is worse than your average turbo 4 banger.
For the 2020 model, I would have easily taken an MPG hit if they completely eliminated the rev hang, rather than simply revising the gearing a little. Acceleration in manual cars with rev hang is a pain in daily driving, with tuning being your only option. I have a 2018 WRX that has rev hang going into 2nd gear, and it’s really annoying in traffic but I don’t want to tune it yet due to my warranty.
@@kevinnorris6558 Had a 2017 Wrx Premium and I went the same route as you, I was so close to just buying a access port, Subaru killed the drivability with it.
Own one, can confirm the rev hang is ridiculous. Shift from first two second jerks unless you take 2-2.5 seconds to shift slowly. It’s like it hates being driven hard. Yes, it’s a tune away but at that point you’re spending another 500
ColeWorldNoSandwich It’s so cumbersome in traffic and to top it off, I’m the one holding back traffic behind me while Sentra’s and Camry’s zip past me. The first manual I’ve ever driven was a 5-speed manual Honda Accord and it was SO SMOOTH in traffic and daily driving, and didn’t have bs rev hang. Honda makes some really great stick shifts but they’ve chosen to ruin that in the past couple years.
I heard somewhere that you could actually disable the piped in engine sound through the settings in the infotainment. And if you're not opposed to doing a quick tune with your car, that could also get rid of the rev hang as well.
Yea its been 4 years since i bought mine and i still love it. I disconnected that noise thing too its behind the glove box. My car is plenty loud in the cabin but not obnoxiously loud. I have the tsp stage 1 plus tune with a full cobra cai and a type r clutch, love it
I have a 2017 Civic Si Coupe. It is fantastic, I love it. Happy my 2017 doesn’t have all the “nanny” features they added to the 2020. It makes it feel like you’re more in control of the car. I highly recommend the 10th gen Civic Si, even if you get the 2020, you will not be disappointed.
My wife had a black 2018 that we absolutely adored! Someone smacked her head on while she was waiting to turn left at an intersection, totaling the car before its first oil change. We were so sad! The bright side however, is we were able to find a new 2019 Type R to replace it. I’ll yell you though, that little sedan was impressive! It’s remarkable how good it was given how inexpensive it is. Wonderful cars! We recommend them to everyone who solicits our opinion on a sporty new car. I also found the rev hang disconcerting and was slightly disappointed that Honda allowed it to be in the production car.
JAA my wife and two youngest boys were in the car at the time, air bags did their job👍. My wife had a sore wrist and some friction burns on her arm from the airbags and my youngest son (11at the time) was shaken up pretty badly but everyone was fine.
T.K. Morris yep. My wife is a high school teacher, she uses it as her daily driver. We also have gone on the occasional road trip. She loves the car, absolutely adores it. She suffered through the mini-van/SUV years when our kids were younger. When it came time to replace her Honda Pilot she wanted something fun, she really wanted a Type R, but they were hard to find and at a premium over MSRP when we first started looking. Her short list was a Golf R, GTI, and the Type R. I got her to look at an Audi RS3 but she wasn’t convinced it was worth the $65k vs other options. When she test drove the Si, she loved it, particularly how cheap it was👍. So we bought it and loved it, but when it was totaled by the insurance company, We found a new Type R at a dealer not too far away. The car is really very amazing, it really is. The only changes we have made are 18” Enkei wheels and PS4’s and a Delrin shift knob (the OEM knob gets super hot in the sun!).
@@DoubleDown310 trust me if they bring back the s2000, a few things will happen. Either it will be really heavy, due to the features people nag manufacturers to add in and safety regulations. The engine will never have the character of the older engine, the price tag will be in the high 50k bracket .
Nope this si is what makes honda ...well honda. This car is amazing on the track and is affordable. It beats the gti, miata, brz, ford focus st on the track. Performance and tuneability is what they were built for and this car improves that by a huge milestone.
For a car that doesn’t have a loud engine or exhaust, it makes sense to have a little sound put in to give you a better sense of awareness. Helps when you’re driving ‘sporty’ lol
I had a 2017 and the rev hang is annoying at first but as you live with it you learn to shift/drive it so its not as bad. Regardless, I was always wanting for more power. I traded for a 2019 Accord 2.0T manual and honestly it is one of the best Honda's I have owned next to a new S2000 and CRX Si I owned back in the day.
How do people learn to live with the rev hang? It drove me nuts when I had my 2020 Si Coupe. It's half of the reason I traded it in. I couldn't stand it and I had the car for 2 and a half years.
🚙🚙🚙Great video and review as always!! That is a good lookin car!! I like the changes for the 2020 Si! I owned a 2017 Si sedan and last April I bought a 2019 Sonic Gray Pearl Type R!! I think as far as value the Si is a lot of car for the money!! The Type R has been a blast but the Si is a dang nice car as well!! Keep up the great work!! 🚙🚙🚙
"without boost, no power and no torque". That pretty much sums up my Honda Civic coupe experience. I enjoyed driving my used 97 Ford Probe GT waaaay more than my brand new Honda Civic, if you can believe that. I find the Honda Civic materials really cheap too...not my thing anymore..
My wife and I have an 18 SI. We love the car. Two big dislikes though. The lack of analog control for HVAC and the lack of a spare tire. We live in Michigan and this year, for the first time in my life a pothole ate a tire. Take a guess as to what fix a flat and and a compressor were able to do? Absolutely nothing. A tire is on order. We will have to replace the rest of them soon so as to not upset wear but it would have been nice, to not be stranded.
It is hard to understand this from Honda. I know the Sport Touring hatchback has a spare and it has a center exhaust. I actually think the S/T exhaust looks better but why would they not give the spare tire to us on a SI and make the exhaust fit as needed? I am on the fence about which one I may want to buy. I want a manual no matter what else!
Man this audio is so good. I was watching this in my car and when you opened the door I swore someone opened my door lmao. I was ready to fight someone 😂
Couple odd electronics things that Honda should have allowed to be disabled in the software (fake engine sounds, rev limiter beeps), but glad Honda's doing its part keeping the old school goodies alive. Like a 6MT and the LSD. Very few cars still offer those in a neatly wrapped package and still make it a good daily car.
Tbh I own a 2019 and was super salty about how the 2020 had led headlights and updated interior and nicer looking wheels. Now that I see how it has that fake sound and all that Honda sensing stuff no one in an si or type r would want, I’m actually happy my car is free of that. I just switched the halogen bulbs on my headlights to LED and they are much brighter. Only thing these cars need is to eliminate rev hang without having to tune them
Rev hang should honestly be deleted when in a different driving mode. Unless it has a heavy flywheel, it should be tuned not to hang in a different mode
@@macdiddles7000 we shouldn't have to put a tune on it if these these can come tuned from the factory correctly... There's Eco, Normal, and Sport... Leave rev hang out for Sport.
I love your videos man but saying you didn't like how the suspension stiffened in sport mode seemed so unappreciative. You can turn it on when you want to turn up the wick. It's a lot nice to drive in corners. You made it sound like it's unbearably stiff which it isn't. And obviously you can turn it off. Just my thoughts. Keep up the awesome reviews though.
Seems like fun daily commuter with stick. Sound complaint can be ignored. Rev hang is for the longevity. Let's be real. 🙂You get what you pay for. 😜 I might buy one once my lease with Corolla CVT bullcrap ends this year.
Please do a Forte GT full review! It's way better car than this Civic Si overall in my opinion. Thank you and keep doing the excellent work that you do...
I own a 2011 8th gen with full bolt ons and I gotta have my 3800 vtec lol so if i ever got a new si id still have mine for more of an weekend car and use that for daily.
I did a k24a2 swap and this beats all newer Honda's except the type r power wise. I fully built it myself k24/k20 Frank built best NA bang for the buck all motor for the money.
Nice video! Active cruise/c can be turned off and defaults to regular mode, just press the right button in the circular pad for about 5 sec when cruise is on but not engaged.
The Sport Hatch 6MT when I was looking was coming very close in pricing to the Si, and for the extra stuff you get with the Si, it made little sense to get a hatch other than the reason to get a hatchback. Additionally considering that the Sport Hatch is pretty stripped in features.
The exterior is more grown-up than TYPE R, please make it 2.0 TURBO with 6MT or 10 AT with LSD, probably gonna be a bit more expensive, definitely more people will buy.
I have a an EX-L with an automatic, I’d love to go for an Si next time with a stick and some more pep, I’m just not a fan of the spoiler and the racing seats.
Kudos to whoever detailed the interior and did the vacuum lines on the mats, nice touch
Right?! Respect ✊
TheTopher Us Honda valets work hard😂
Because dealership car valet guy spilt a latte drink in it yesterday driving it to Starbucks . Facts
I’m a detailer and I do the same but diagonally, looks better
i notice that extra attention to detail on the black matts to, as a former detailer.
This POV style is the shit, something I'm always left wanting for in other reviews. Subbed
I like POV. Don't like other reviews always showing their faces while driving.
@Dale Macarena uhh
I like Pov provided they show handwork with the gear knob
I get how everyone hates the fake noises and all the other stuff but if you plan on having this car for a long time those things can be easily tuned and fixed to your liking. This was a really good review for me because I’ve been a Honda guy my whole life and the sedan SI makes it a practical daily driver. I’m in the market for one currently, and you said it yourself the fact that they’re still even making this with a manual only transmission is a big selling point
The new fake engine noise they added in the refresh was a serious mistake.
It's only on when you put it sport mode ,and it also helps with shifting
Jorge Zavala how does fake engine noise help with shifting?
@@blgarage9519 I think I lost a few brain cells reading that... Did you?
EminentLine quite a few, yes.
@@EminentLine Yeah, of course it helps to hear the engines RPM's when shifting to time clutch/accelerator pedal inputs. Especially when rev matching.
Manufacturers need to stop with this artificial sound pumped In through the speakers.
Michael Grisafi Yeah, I know... You can disable it by going behind the glovebox and unplugging the silver module.
@@TommyBlazeHD oh I'm good bud. I have a 2019 Civic type-r. But good tip for the people out there
love it amirite x'ddddd
Agreed, but they're doing it because these little turbo 4s sound like trash as is. NA K series sounded great so there was no need to add anything in the old Si's.
The sound is added to help you hear the sound of when to shift when it's in sport mode
Wow! This 18 minute video seemed like it was 5 minutes. I was very entertained and engaged for the whole time. Keep up the work and can’t wait to see what else you can get behind the wheel on!
I owned a civic SI 2018 till 2023 and it was my favorite car! Just not a winter car for our Canadian winters! It really sucks in the snow
I had a 2020 Si Coupe for about 2 and a half years and I also live in Canada. I found it awesome in the winter. Clutch was slipping and the rev hang was driving me nuts though so I got rid of it. I preferred driving that car in the winter. I found it drove better in the winter. You didn't feel the jerks from the rev hang as much if the road was covered in snow.
If manual is still being offered by a manufacturer don't talk about it just buy it !! #savethemanuals
I agree with you but let me say this. I am shopping for a new car and I want it to be manual. My problem is finding something within 150 miles of me to choose from. The only two cars near me with a manual that is offered is a Civic and a VW GTI. No Hyundai, no Kia, no Toyota, no Genesis, etc... We can't buy them if they are not available on dealer lots. I don't even know if dealers will order you one anymore but would you order one without test driving one first?
@@t.k.morris naah man of course i won't buy any of these without doing a test drive 😂
@@t.k.morris Hyundai
Velosters have manual transmissions available. The Veloster N is amazing.
@@t.k.morris If you can find them, the Forte GT Manual is an excellent car and worth a test drive. Damn things are unicorns, though.
Agree 100% I'm loving my Forte GT 6 sp. Would have seriously considered the Si if one were available.
Very unbiased commentary. I really appreciate this video. I love hearing the pros AND cons to a car that I'm considering buying.
Great review. I bought a 2020 Si a few months ago and am very happy with it. It's my daily driver, and I wanted a stick car that was both fun and practical. This checks all the boxes. I did look at the Kia Forte GT and the Jetta GLI, but when Honda added adaptive cruise to the 2020 model, that clinched it for me. It's good to have for the boring highway trips. The mileage has been a pleasant surprise, averaging 33 mpg with a lot of suburban driving (i.e. traffic lights). I do think the pumped in sound is only in Sport mode, which I don't use all that much. Also, the civicx community is a great resource if you interested in tweaking the car or adding a tune.
Is it a good car to learn manual?
@@willythewhale2235 If driven manual for a very long time, so I can't give you a good answer. But many reviewers I've heard have said yes.
@@willythewhale2235 this was my first manual vehicle and it was a great and easy way of learning the skill. Took me about 2 weeks to get the hang of it.
2020 si coupe pearl white owner here - it is absolutely a super fun daily!! Of course there are tons of better cars, faster and sexier. But this was what my salary and credit was able to afford me 🤣 Great reviews man keep em coming!
“Cabin is looking a little dated...” meanwhile, in my 2003 Camry....
Meanwhile on my 04 mazda...
@@CrimsonSlayer7 from a '04 focus this looks like a spaceship xD
Anything without a 14inch screen is inferior
Is boring.
Meanwhile in a 2015 Dacia Logan MCV...The interior on that thinng is so damn plain!
This is a great bang for the buck with the limited slip diff and electronic dampers. No one offers the same value on these points, but wow that rev hang is a buzz kill. The Civic SI current generation is killing it in SCCA G Street class and I still have second thoughts about having bought a GTI (significant discount).
What year model did you get? And have you owned one before or why did you choose it?
T.K. Morris I bought. 2018 GTI S in 2019. It was a leftover. I’ve always like the GTI look. I didn’t know the 2018 S lacked a physical limited slip differential. But at my age I’m not going to be taking SCCA Nationals by storm. Love the GTI and the hatchback format. If the SI still had a hatch I’d probably consider it again.
Fan-freaking-tastic job, TheTopher!
Love your videos!
Finally!!!! Have been waiting for this for so long.
For 2 grand more than this Si I got a Velsoter N performace package...no rev hang, customizable drive modes, exhaust, etc...quick,nimble, rare, and most of all FUN! That being said, I am an Si fan and would consider buying one for a daily driver to replace my other car.
Yooo my neighbor has a stage 2 veloster N. Broooo that shit goes!
I daily a 2017 sedan si and love it.
It is definitely not as quick or nimble, but it is such a fun daily driver.
These reviews are actually really good. Keep up the work
I drove this and a GTI and while i would expect the Si to last longer, the GTI was so much better in every category for me. Including price.. I've had the GTI for almost 2 years now, and it has been 100% reliable.
My experience too. Though not the longevity; I've only had mine a month.
The GTIs are fairly reliable when they have a manual, auto not so much
JEdmund27 I don't drive mine in the winter, i did the first year, but bought a winter beater so I don't drive it in the salt and snow anymore.. not that it wasn't good in the snow, it was fine, actually did great.. but i love that car and don't want it to melt like everything metal in the rust belt.. that said it's been totally reliable.. if you want yours to last just make sure you change the oil every 5k miles.. the mile interval at 10k is way too long.. these high strung motors need clean oil that oil cooled turbo will be far more expensive to replace in the long run than the oil changes..
Eye Dunno i only drive stick in a newer car, it's probably my last new car, but yeah it's definitely a stick. The clutch in the GTI is actually pretty weak so i expect that I'll get 60-100k out of it before i have to replace it.. i got 200k out of one in a corolla and nearly 350k out of one in a Previa..
@@shartingfish5761 Good to know, thanks!
Wow this is so strange, I was thinking about trading in my car for a Civic SI last night, and knew that Topher always had great videos driving cars to their max in his reviews. So I looked up to see if you had any videos on the SI, and I didn't see any new ones. Then I logged into RUclips tonight, and boom, this was my top recommended video. Thanks for reading my mind, and thanks for the great review! And wow, the cars beeps at you at redline, or was I hearing things? That's really annoying, along with the HDMI port style fake exhaust tip. Buuuuut, other than that, damn this car looks fun. Love watching you peel out to test the 0-60 time. Reviews like these are awesome.
Did you get one
Recommend a GTI SE instead. Dont pay MSRP.
@@markymark535 Hi, no I think I'll actually hold onto my 19 STI for now after seeing this review. I love it to death, but it just gets such poor gas mileage. Other than that it's perfect, minus a bit of road noise and a bumpy ride which doesn't bother me. Maybe I'll wait for the 21 WRX if it gets redesigned. SI looks great, but that beeping at redline seems really annoying.
Mike beep can be turned off. It’s super annoying lol.
@@affinity3281 Do you own a GTI? Have you driven an SI?
I'm actually pretty interested in making this my next daily driver. So far, it seems like there's a solution to every issue that bothers me so far from these reviews
- Rev hang : Get Hondata FlashPro
- Engine sounds through speakers : Unplug from glove box
- Honda Sensing : Turn off in menus
These three things seem avoidable. If it's not as easy as I'm making it seem, can someone let me know? I really like everything else about it so far
Did you get it? If so, were the issues as easy as you thought to take care of?
Apparently the SI has issues with the fuel pump too not delivering gas and ends up breaking
@@Clicn. I actually ended up finding a Veloster N for about the same price and have been very happy with that purchase since September or so.
@@Polarzz thats when you upgrade to a newer aftermarket pump.. or use the warranty.. either way your winning with a boosted engine
I daily an si coupe and love it
I own a 10gen Si and it's a lot of fun driving a stick again. No major complaints I don't bother using sport mode as it's very hard to tell any difference than normal mode. I get about 28 city and high 30's highway. However, I am very intrigued by the Civic Hatch Sport w/manual that will probably be my next car.
I have a question how much you gotta be paying at the month
can't believe this man started the car and didn't wiggle the shifter. you ALWAYS make sure it's in neutral even if you know it is in neutral!
@@williamgomez5876 one time I thought my car was in neutral so I casually let off the clutch...it wasn't in neutral. so never again do I just assume. even if I just put it in neutral, and I know I did, I still check it. what if it's not :O
Because of your review, I'm picking my 2020 SI coupe up at the dealership tomorrow. As far as I'm concerned, you sold me the car...not them!
That hdmi port comment had me dying yow 😂😂😂 Honda got that plug and play system in the back 😂😂
I tried to buy one of these the other day. Sticker price on the window was ~26K, as we were trying to make the deal he pulls out the price sheet and a FIVE THOUSAND dollar "rarity premium" was added. As My fiance and I were sitting there as he runs to print new window price stickers and replaces them with the 31 thousand dollar new price. F u c k t h a t...crooks.
I ended up purchasing a 9th gen that was really well taken care of!
Rather get a accord 2.0T ,type R killer with a few mods,people are running 12.6 -12.7 1/4 with type r turbo swapp etc
report that dealer..
Rarity? Lol there’s so many unsold si’s in Texas. A type r maybe but even then adding on a “rarity” fee is stupid
Honestly at this point I wouldn't even bother with an SI when the new BRZ/86 is around the corner.
1 Year later... these cars are still hard to find in Ontario.. I just scooped same one as this video.. $30,900 with 5000km on it... there was only 1 other option.. 1 hour away... a 2018 black with 30,000km and was 26,999... I think i got the better deal. Pick it up tomorrow.. CANT WAIT
I loved your review. I liked the fact that you did so much driving.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. Love it. Really fun car to drive and really fast. Love the power. Love the standard transmission as well. Only thing I don't like about the car is the rev hang. Awesome car. I recommend it to anyone who's looking to buy one.
Damn. Lovely car. But. When you bang redline and then shift, the car sounds borderline fake. Like they asked Gran Turismo for sounds. Lots of odd vacuum noises.
Tough to beat with the lsd though. Makes them amazing in the snow.
I can’t get over the HDMI port😂😂😂
Its because the 2020's have fake engine noises coming into the cabin
@@itsmaki7203 it's like a budget golf GTI. I'd still have a GTI over this because it looks so nice
@@M_773 true but reliability and resale and lower cost modding, mpg, standard equipment, price, maintenace, civic si all day.
@@Tigerex966 exactly what I said... It's a budget version, if you have the money it's GTI all day.
best Value in this segment imo
thankfully they kept the manual
wish there was a hatchback version
We NEED Hatchback
@@eugenef0zzy WE NEED A TWO DOOR HATCH (we know that''ll never happen again in America though)
@@AlphaJDM we can only wish, the ep3 would be good platform to build off.
@@AlphaJDM at least you can get a civic coupe in the states, honda doesnt see a market for a 2door in europe.
wish their was a coupe type r
Rev hang, fake cabin sound and turbo lag kill this as a buy. Rest of the car is a great value. Hope they fix those items from the factory and then it’ll be the car to buy at this price point. Thanks for the great review Topher
Take the car to the track and you'll see why many of us really love it
Sounds like those old school racing games on SNES and Sega 😂
Gonna have to “zonk” the fake vents - Joe Raiti...lol
He's one of the few car dealership dudes I'll watch.
Joe Raiti is hilarious. Love the zonks lol. Plus where do we keep the twinkies and paydays in this Si???
But what about the extra cabin space for your twinkies
They added the fart can sounds through the speakers to save the ricers from having to buy one
Joe Spittle they still going to buy one I bet.
It's weird it bothers u so much what people do with their own car
@@jamesc9897 it's weird you find it weird that he gave his opinion and you didn't like it 😅 stf^
@@IrishSoldier027 Couldn't have said it better myself
So that everyone elses ears on the road don’t bleed.
It's actually the engine sound thats is picked up by a mic and amolified by a speaker. It is THE engine sound and not something fake. What is there to rant about. You got your insulation and your engine sound as well. The main thing ur forgetting....this a legend car....Honda.
I love this car, I love Honda
HDMI port 🤣
i'm thinking of buying this car. will i be able to connect my laptop to this HDMI rear port?
@@DavidZangy yes if you able to find the right size cable
@@Latitube ;)
David Zangy thats the best port
🤣
holy crap, that shift noise at the top of the rev limiter sounds pretty bad in my opinion haha
Patty Boi thankfully it can be turned off
@@AmazingPoultry gotcha, I figured that would be the case for sure
@@AmazingPoultry How?
T.K. Morris in the infotainment, go to settings > vehicle > meter setup > shift up alarm
Awesome video like always 🔥! Picking up a 2020 civic SI sedan in another week or so myself 😎🤘. Miss you Chris! Best regards from Boston
Did you get? Please give an update.
@@t.k.morris yessir. will be putting out content on the channel soon 🤘😎.
There is a spare tire kit available for the 2020 Civic Si from the Honda dealership as accessory item (part # 06421-TBF-A10ZA). Also, USB Rear Seat Charger Port locate in the back of center console is available as Accessory item (part # 08U57-TBA-100).
Had my Civic si for 36k miles. The rev-hang is a pain in the ass and I solved it with Ktuner. Other than that the car is a blast to drive.
I'm at 8.5k miles right now in my 2019 and I've been thinking about solving the rev-hang with ktuner, but I don't want to void the 3yr/36k warranty.
When did you get Ktuner? Did you wish you got it sooner?
@@mcJJP A tune may only void warranty on stuff that breaks directly related to the tune. Actually the powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k. My thought then was: If I don't fix the rev-hang, I may get rid of the car well before that warranty expires. It's that annoying to me.
I did it at around 21k miles, and no problem so far. I always baby my car when I'm not pushing it.
I was really thinking about getting the 2020 Si Sedan but the Rev Hang was painful. So I decided on the 2020 Accord Touring 2.0. It’s amazing!!!!!!!!
You made the right choice. I had a 2020 Si Coupe and I regretted buying it because of the rev hang. Made me hate the car. I ended up getting rid of it a few weeks ago and the rev hang is half of the reason i got rid of it. Drove me nuts. Had I noticed it during the test drive, I wouldn't have bought it. I honestly have no idea how I didn't notice it during the test drive because it's very noticeable when you're driving the car.
Man, next year THIS, will be my new car.
I love that the SI has a limited slip diff but I really want a 2.0T manual Accord. Honda should offer the LSD as an option at least on the Accord.
the civic needs the accord vtec 2.0 liter, the accord needs the civic's lsd.
this is the first time the accord has no engines not borrowed from the civic, and slower ones too, exceot hybrid.
the accord needs it's own engine again.
Notorious Honda rev hang. I drive an 8th gen. A lightweight flywheel and tune is essential. Same in this 10th gen
11:20 I have no way to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure the collision braking system is set overly aggressive from the factory until it "learns" your driving style. When I bought my Civic new in 2017, the collision braking system, it had many false positives like you described. After a few months it really calmed down though, and I haven't had a false positive in years now.
I test drove a 2020 model. The reviews have been pretty good, so I had high hopes, but I was not too impressed. If the transmission is the high point of this car, the engine really is the low point. The rev hang is worse than your average turbo 4 banger.
It's one plug and play tune away from no hang . It is annoying though .
For the 2020 model, I would have easily taken an MPG hit if they completely eliminated the rev hang, rather than simply revising the gearing a little. Acceleration in manual cars with rev hang is a pain in daily driving, with tuning being your only option. I have a 2018 WRX that has rev hang going into 2nd gear, and it’s really annoying in traffic but I don’t want to tune it yet due to my warranty.
@@kevinnorris6558 Had a 2017 Wrx Premium and I went the same route as you, I was so close to just buying a access port, Subaru killed the drivability with it.
Own one, can confirm the rev hang is ridiculous. Shift from first two second jerks unless you take 2-2.5 seconds to shift slowly. It’s like it hates being driven hard. Yes, it’s a tune away but at that point you’re spending another 500
ColeWorldNoSandwich It’s so cumbersome in traffic and to top it off, I’m the one holding back traffic behind me while Sentra’s and Camry’s zip past me. The first manual I’ve ever driven was a 5-speed manual Honda Accord and it was SO SMOOTH in traffic and daily driving, and didn’t have bs rev hang. Honda makes some really great stick shifts but they’ve chosen to ruin that in the past couple years.
Even in mid 2024, the 2020 Si is still the best Si on the market. most features and best looking
If I had the choice between removing the rev hang or the piped in engine sound, I’d get rid of the rev hang.
I heard somewhere that you could actually disable the piped in engine sound through the settings in the infotainment. And if you're not opposed to doing a quick tune with your car, that could also get rid of the rev hang as well.
I know its 2021, but I'm getting one of these!!!! 2020 si.
Great review man. Good amount of info, facts, personal opinions but not biased.
Yea its been 4 years since i bought mine and i still love it. I disconnected that noise thing too its behind the glove box. My car is plenty loud in the cabin but not obnoxiously loud. I have the tsp stage 1 plus tune with a full cobra cai and a type r clutch, love it
I have a 2017 Civic Si Coupe. It is fantastic, I love it. Happy my 2017 doesn’t have all the “nanny” features they added to the 2020. It makes it feel like you’re more in control of the car. I highly recommend the 10th gen Civic Si, even if you get the 2020, you will not be disappointed.
My wife had a black 2018 that we absolutely adored! Someone smacked her head on while she was waiting to turn left at an intersection, totaling the car before its first oil change. We were so sad! The bright side however, is we were able to find a new 2019 Type R to replace it. I’ll yell you though, that little sedan was impressive! It’s remarkable how good it was given how inexpensive it is. Wonderful cars! We recommend them to everyone who solicits our opinion on a sporty new car. I also found the rev hang disconcerting and was slightly disappointed that Honda allowed it to be in the production car.
JAA my wife and two youngest boys were in the car at the time, air bags did their job👍. My wife had a sore wrist and some friction burns on her arm from the airbags and my youngest son (11at the time) was shaken up pretty badly but everyone was fine.
JAA yes it is! It all worked out very well, she is driving her Type R now and VERY happy with it👍 as am I whenever I manage to pry it away from her😂
So do you use the type R as a family sedan?
T.K. Morris yep. My wife is a high school teacher, she uses it as her daily driver. We also have gone on the occasional road trip. She loves the car, absolutely adores it. She suffered through the mini-van/SUV years when our kids were younger. When it came time to replace her Honda Pilot she wanted something fun, she really wanted a Type R, but they were hard to find and at a premium over MSRP when we first started looking. Her short list was a Golf R, GTI, and the Type R. I got her to look at an Audi RS3 but she wasn’t convinced it was worth the $65k vs other options. When she test drove the Si, she loved it, particularly how cheap it was👍. So we bought it and loved it, but when it was totaled by the insurance company, We found a new Type R at a dealer not too far away. The car is really very amazing, it really is. The only changes we have made are 18” Enkei wheels and PS4’s and a Delrin shift knob (the OEM knob gets super hot in the sun!).
Also I’m not going to lie, Honda needs a return to form, the 8th Generation was the last true Si Generation, with that 2.0L N/A VTEC engine!
nah all they need to do is offer this set up with no rev hang from the factory.
They need to bring back the S2000.
@@DoubleDown310 trust me if they bring back the s2000, a few things will happen.
Either it will be really heavy, due to the features people nag manufacturers to add in and safety regulations. The engine will never have the character of the older engine, the price tag will be in the high 50k bracket .
Nope this si is what makes honda ...well honda. This car is amazing on the track and is affordable. It beats the gti, miata, brz, ford focus st on the track. Performance and tuneability is what they were built for and this car improves that by a huge milestone.
1.5l in a Si is sad, same motor of the touring. A test done here in Brazil showed that CVT accelerates faster than Si.
Great video by the way!
in a straight line. the manual is way more fun.
Tigerex966 That’s truth, but if you want a good manual buy the Type R, its
way better than the Si
For a car that doesn’t have a loud engine or exhaust, it makes sense to have a little sound put in to give you a better sense of awareness. Helps when you’re driving ‘sporty’ lol
That's a good point, but it sounds awfully artificial. I think a quiet natural engine would sound better than fake engine noise.
Aznbooy i think the best fix is just make the exhaust variable and simple. Open and closed. No need to pump in sound
Mike H I didn’t think of that. That sounds like the best way to do it.
Picked one up two weeks ago. Coupe version though, loving it so far! New suspension and front lip are on their way
What suspension did you end up getting? Curious as to what's out there for the 2020 versions whether it's coils or springs
Michael Matuszak I went with Eibach Sportline Springs just so I can keep the Active Dampening System for now. It rides really well
I had no clue these civics were as sick on the inside as they are on the outside, awesome.
I had a 2017 and the rev hang is annoying at first but as you live with it you learn to shift/drive it so its not as bad. Regardless, I was always wanting for more power. I traded for a 2019 Accord 2.0T manual and honestly it is one of the best Honda's I have owned next to a new S2000 and CRX Si I owned back in the day.
J Fazzuoli, how’s your mileage on that. Watched his video on that Accord and loved the sound.
never knew the 2.0T accord came in manual
How do people learn to live with the rev hang? It drove me nuts when I had my 2020 Si Coupe. It's half of the reason I traded it in. I couldn't stand it and I had the car for 2 and a half years.
Best performance car in its class.
Love your reviews! Your the best around. Up there with straightpipes, wrxfan, redline reviews. LOVED your typr video.
Was waiting for this, thank you 👍
🚙🚙🚙Great video and review as always!! That is a good lookin car!! I like the changes for the 2020 Si! I owned a 2017 Si sedan and last April I bought a 2019 Sonic Gray Pearl Type R!! I think as far as value the Si is a lot of car for the money!! The Type R has been a blast but the Si is a dang nice car as well!! Keep up the great work!! 🚙🚙🚙
This was the car I wanted in 2021 but I ended up getting a 2022 Si. Now I’m going to trade it in for a 2025 Type R
Honda really needs to update the infotainment system in the Civic line to what they're using in the current Accord.
They should have had the option to turn off the active sound in the settings menu. Sounds buzzy. Not natural at all.
Hondata is a must with these just to get rid of the rev hang.
Cam J but then you lose factory warranty 😔👎
MugenK20 I’m a Honda tech and have done plenty of warranty work on cars that have been tuned
long live the si.
Thats the best place for an HDMI port. 👍 Easily accessible, yet not enough to access it while driving. Smart 👌
Excellent review and l love the POV perspective well done thanks 👊
8th gen civic natural exhaust note is perfect.
I liked the older wheels this car came with than the new black wheels it comes with now.
The Fett Man Exactly!!!!!
Totally agree. Hate these black wheels.
"without boost, no power and no torque". That pretty much sums up my Honda Civic coupe experience. I enjoyed driving my used 97 Ford Probe GT waaaay more than my brand new Honda Civic, if you can believe that. I find the Honda Civic materials really cheap too...not my thing anymore..
My wife and I have an 18 SI. We love the car. Two big dislikes though. The lack of analog control for HVAC and the lack of a spare tire. We live in Michigan and this year, for the first time in my life a pothole ate a tire. Take a guess as to what fix a flat and and a compressor were able to do? Absolutely nothing. A tire is on order. We will have to replace the rest of them soon so as to not upset wear but it would have been nice, to not be stranded.
It is hard to understand this from Honda. I know the Sport Touring hatchback has a spare and it has a center exhaust. I actually think the S/T exhaust looks better but why would they not give the spare tire to us on a SI and make the exhaust fit as needed? I am on the fence about which one I may want to buy. I want a manual no matter what else!
Man this audio is so good. I was watching this in my car and when you opened the door I swore someone opened my door lmao. I was ready to fight someone 😂
Chill ese
Couple odd electronics things that Honda should have allowed to be disabled in the software (fake engine sounds, rev limiter beeps), but glad Honda's doing its part keeping the old school goodies alive. Like a 6MT and the LSD. Very few cars still offer those in a neatly wrapped package and still make it a good daily car.
I really want one of these... from 2019, without Honda Sensing and the terrible fake sounds.
Gabriel Song, I feel the 2019 is the sweet spot. Also really don’t care for the black wheels.
Tbh I own a 2019 and was super salty about how the 2020 had led headlights and updated interior and nicer looking wheels. Now that I see how it has that fake sound and all that Honda sensing stuff no one in an si or type r would want, I’m actually happy my car is free of that. I just switched the halogen bulbs on my headlights to LED and they are much brighter. Only thing these cars need is to eliminate rev hang without having to tune them
@@ValkenDnB Does the 2019 have rev hang too?
@@t.k.morris unfortunately it does. you have to flash it with a tune to remove it.
@@ValkenDnB Thanks. Can you post a link to the headlight bulbs you bought?
Rev hang should honestly be deleted when in a different driving mode. Unless it has a heavy flywheel, it should be tuned not to hang in a different mode
Yo-yo K tuner
@@macdiddles7000 we shouldn't have to put a tune on it if these these can come tuned from the factory correctly... There's Eco, Normal, and Sport... Leave rev hang out for Sport.
Yo-yo you wouldn’t be able too the EPA emissions test uses every mode for testing
I love your videos man but saying you didn't like how the suspension stiffened in sport mode seemed so unappreciative. You can turn it on when you want to turn up the wick. It's a lot nice to drive in corners. You made it sound like it's unbearably stiff which it isn't. And obviously you can turn it off. Just my thoughts. Keep up the awesome reviews though.
It's such a difference between how he reviewed this and the Type R
Friend of mine has a type r. It’s an entirely different car.
Just found your channel and i’m enjoying it! Subbed. Very satisfying to watch
Nice review! Thank you again!
Seems like fun daily commuter with stick. Sound complaint can be ignored. Rev hang is for the longevity. Let's be real. 🙂You get what you pay for. 😜 I might buy one once my lease with Corolla CVT bullcrap ends this year.
i love this honda!
I'm thinking of buying a 2020 Civic Si. Looks like a fun car for the price.
Please do a Forte GT full review! It's way better car than this Civic Si overall in my opinion. Thank you and keep doing the excellent work that you do...
Lol come one bro nobody including yourself believes that crap
Every civic si comes with its hdmi port at the bottom of the exhaust 😂 2:30
And NO SPARE tire! That really pisses me off!
T.K. Morris wow. Didn’t know that. Forte GT comes with that and a nice sounding exhaust 🤙🏾
I own a 2011 8th gen with full bolt ons and I gotta have my 3800 vtec lol so if i ever got a new si id still have mine for more of an weekend car and use that for daily.
Cody Allen I have a 2011 8th gen with an intake and exhaust, not sure if I want to ever get a different car I love the 8th gen!
I did a k24a2 swap and this beats all newer Honda's except the type r power wise. I fully built it myself k24/k20 Frank built best NA bang for the buck all motor for the money.
Sock Malone suuuuuure.....
@@driveshift ^ He lost me at "n/a built and best bang for the buck" lol.
@@Hockey4Days I got J35 TB sk2 alpha and sk2 full 3 inch stage 1 clutch 9lb flywheel and intake and flashpro.
Besides my love for this car, I have to say, I really like the way this impression was recorded and edited. Subbed, liked, and shared!
Times like these I’m so glad I went with my Veloster N w/PP in Racing Red... 😀
Nice video! Active cruise/c can be turned off and defaults to regular mode, just press the right button in the circular pad for about 5 sec when cruise is on but not engaged.
I’m sure a simple tune can fix that rev hang issue. Looking at buying one for my daily!
Sport Hatch 6mt seems like a better "for the money" deal at 20k. Nice review, cheers
The Sport Hatch is just about as fast as well. Wish they made the Si in a hatchback.
@@subvet3668 I guess Honda didnt want to eat into Type R sales
The Sport Hatch 6MT when I was looking was coming very close in pricing to the Si, and for the extra stuff you get with the Si, it made little sense to get a hatch other than the reason to get a hatchback. Additionally considering that the Sport Hatch is pretty stripped in features.
@@worldofz00 Where I live, the Si was 5k more than the SH, and I wanted the hatch over the performance aspects of the Si.
@@dongonzulman6478 oh wow, yeah for me it was $2K
the clutch is a feather!
I've been waiting so long for this ever since in his other Si video he never turned on Sport mode...
HDMI port😂 earned the like my friend🙏🏼
The exterior is more grown-up than TYPE R, please make it 2.0 TURBO with 6MT or 10 AT with LSD, probably gonna be a bit more expensive, definitely more people will buy.
So an accord?
No way not the 10at
Love that sound!
I love it, but I really wish it had the 2.0 K instead of the 1.5. Not for more power but for reliability issues namely oil dilution.
I have a an EX-L with an automatic, I’d love to go for an Si next time with a stick and some more pep, I’m just not a fan of the spoiler and the racing seats.