18:47 - "Fixed Pattern Noise", this is where I would recommend the URSA 12K using firmware 7.7 or later. The URSA 12K does not suffer from fixed pattern noise in a lower light or shadow scenario.
Great in depth review! I'd like to point out one detail that isn't always talked about. One part of the amazing image quality to Ursa mini pro g2 is the amazing Fairchild sensor it has. It has similar dual gain (not dual iso) technology as Arri's Alev3 sensor. Pocket cameras have Sony sensors, which aren't bad but they are different compared to UMP G2 Fairchild sensor.
Thanks but I would like to see the evidence of it being dual gain? I have tested alexa mini and the c70 and both recover underexposed shadow areas significantly better than both Ursas or Pockets
Owned the G2 since it was available in Europe. It has made me a living for the past years and I still totally love it. The image quality is just so so ‚organic‘ and the dynamic range is perfect. I shoot all kinds of things with it: Commercial, documentary, run-n-gun, narrative… it’s just amazing at all of those things. Except for low light (which means you’re missing preproduction and grip gear) and gimbal work… I don’t like gimbals, so I’m ok with that.
@@CINENIMUS I’ve never had the dynamic range be an issue. You just need to know how to expose it and work with the right ISO levels to shift the available stops above or below middle grey.
@chriseyrewalker try shooting a sunset with deep shadows haha Yeah in 90% of the shots its not an issue but pockets do have better DR. I tested it myself and don’t care what fanboys say - its a fact.
Great video. I love my G2. Got it ridiculously cheap a couple of years ago and never looked back. Pairs great with my pocket 4K. Little bit heavy especially when you start whacking cine glass on the front, but as someone who appreciates a good amount of weight to their rig, it’s perfect for me. Should probably look at getting some kind of rig support system to save my back in the future though.
@@CINENIMUS it’s lower back fatigue that kills me. After hours shooting with a built out rig (shoulder plate, evf, monitor, large vmount and cine lens) on and off the shoulder, handheld etc it really starts to wear on me 😂 and yes, I do go to the gym regularly due to the nature of my work!
Timestamps 00:37 - Why I Purchased the Ursa Mini Pro G2 03:10 - 10 Reasons I Like The Camera 15:32 - Camera Drawbacks 21:51 - Who is This Camera for? 25:31 - Will I Keep this Camera? 27:00 - Final Thoughts & Conclusion
I was able to get one while it was 50% off. My goal is to do more documentary/run & gun work and I felt like this would be better suited than my pocket cameras.
If you watched entire video then you will see I came to same conclusions but since I have no documentary / hand held work aligned - off it goes on eBay
Thanks for a great video! One thing pushing me towards the 6k pro rather than the UMPG2 is the gyro data recording. With the 6K you can easily stabilise using it in resolve to fix handheld jitters and the rolling shutter - two of the big advantages of the Ursa. Not sure how well that works for anamorphics though.. if at all.
Gyro data works 50/50 I would not rely on it, you can very slightly SOMETIMES improve rolling shutter perception. Its not a fix for a slow one. If you need handheld shooting forget about anything else. Ursa trumps EVERYTHING
@@CINENIMUS it's superior. What's better than uncompressed raw data? The magic in BLackmagic cameras were predicated on CDNG. Their old cameras felt like digital cameras trying to emulate film. They looked movie esque. Now, BM cameras just look like insignificant video. Like cameras made to shoot generic Netflix originals content. The image used to be a work of art like the pocket original.
@@CINENIMUS it is. Look at all the examples from even better colorist. The new cameras just look like video while more people get turned on by the charms of the pocket OG look. BM cameras lack magic.
Would you mind to give your opinion about the LCD quality Colors and resolution? is it visible enough in daylight? I couldn't find any useful information on the web. thanks in advance.
Sure, its about 800-1000 nits if I remember correctly so its a lot more readable than pocket 4k and 6k but doesn’t come close to pocket 6k pro or full frame. I have not used it in the desert BUT I can see everything in midday July in the UK / Europe so its a lot more usable than original pockets or most mirorless
I did a number of handheld interview long takes on ump 12k and it stabilises extremely well. Given the readout and resolution I don’t think that gyro stab is all that necessary
It also doesnt work half the time trust me, I have ALL the pockets and last time I was able to get usable results it was only out of 6k and that was only about 3 years ago its all junk now
@@CINENIMUS it’s down to sensor size but more so to resolution. 12K and 6K are simply better post stabilising because of their higher pixel density - more points to grapple with.
Love your videos. Can't wait to see your videos with this new camera. Does the camera have IBIS? What camera and lense did you use for this talking head?
Great straight forward factual presentation. Great shots man! I currently use the BMFF. From one user to another does your CFexpress card type b get really hot while using? Thanks in advance.
I got myself a used G2 package a couple of months ago for dirt cheap and shot a commercial project + personal stuff with it. It has a beautiful image and ergonomics, especially when rigged out with a handle, shoulder pad and EVF (or easyrig + large monitor). The only pain point is moire, which is not a problem most of the time, but when it appears it kills the shot. Just last week I had an interview shot where I wanted to stop down to f/3.5 but saw extreme moire on a suit jacket at that aperture. I opened up to f/1.8 and hoped the person would stay in focus. For single colour garments you can do a magic mask + extreme noise reduction node in Resolve, which might save the shot depending on the scene.
I get moire on full frame even with olpf on it. It’s unavoidable even alexas get it. Dont believe the shit you see online about magical filters helping with it.
@@CINENIMUS that's what I've determined as well. I come from a media tech university background - there's always a treshold of sensor resolution vs. pattern detail that creates interference patterns. OLFP mitigates some of the highest frequencies but can't take all of it out (since this would mean loss of all critical detail). One cool trick to use if you're shooting in bright sunlight and have trouble with e.g. brick buildings or other details: stop down to f13 or above. The added diffraction will soften the image just the tiniest amount and get rid of all moire 👍
@@CINENIMUS in any brand, I'd say. The prices for cinema equipment have become extremely accessible, which is fantastic for everyone who is passionate about creativity or a media career. I would've never thought possible to own a full cinema camera package (and powerful lights etc.) in my 5D MkIII Magic Lantern days. It also means that you get individuals with a lacking tech understanding switching brands on a whim due to marketing and influencers. 70-80% of tech RUclips is marketing or at least somewhat affiliated with brands nowadays. You also get people hardcore fanboying single companies since they believe the buzzwords and "highlights" that brands purposefully attach to their products: "the Leica look", "Canon color science" and many other not so obvious ones. I can rant about this forever but it's been said a million times: most current cameras are superb. Learn to light and tell stories.
The problem with this camera is, that it does not have continuous electronic autofocus. All video cameras from Blackmagic design do not have continuous electronic autofocus :)
@@CINENIMUS But that is the market's problem. Most people buy cameras in the middle price level, around 2500 euro/dollar, and these people are not filmmakers, but ordinary people, who want to make videos on youtube. They need autofocus. Cannon and Nikon reduced DSLR production, because buyers demanded autofocus and DSLRs do not have autofocus. They had to integrate autofocus into DSLRs or change the camera type :)
For anyone interested in buying it - I have listed it on eBay (UK ONLY)
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256571468249
Thank you for sharing you experience with this camera. Can you let us know why you decided to get rid of it?
Ursa G2, Full Frame Pocket, 6k Pocket, 4k Pocket - no matter, you will make beautiful shots with either of them and I will be here loving it 😍😎
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Delightful watch. Thank you.
You are most welcome
18:47 - "Fixed Pattern Noise", this is where I would recommend the URSA 12K using firmware 7.7 or later. The URSA 12K does not suffer from fixed pattern noise in a lower light or shadow scenario.
Yeah I know
Great video - thank you for sharing. QUESTION: is the gyro stabilisation supported in Davinci for this camera?
No. It does not have gyros to begin with.
Great in depth review! I'd like to point out one detail that isn't always talked about. One part of the amazing image quality to Ursa mini pro g2 is the amazing Fairchild sensor it has. It has similar dual gain (not dual iso) technology as Arri's Alev3 sensor. Pocket cameras have Sony sensors, which aren't bad but they are different compared to UMP G2 Fairchild sensor.
Thanks but I would like to see the evidence of it being dual gain? I have tested alexa mini and the c70 and both recover underexposed shadow areas significantly better than both Ursas or Pockets
@@CUTproductionsLtdhaha bullshit
Thanks, very interesting video. As a BMPCC6K user the Ursa is a very tempting upgrade.
if you do hand held, need slow motion or shoot anamorphic - thats the only one you can get thats not crazy money
Owned the G2 since it was available in Europe. It has made me a living for the past years and I still totally love it. The image quality is just so so ‚organic‘ and the dynamic range is perfect.
I shoot all kinds of things with it: Commercial, documentary, run-n-gun, narrative… it’s just amazing at all of those things.
Except for low light (which means you’re missing preproduction and grip gear) and gimbal work… I don’t like gimbals, so I’m ok with that.
Yeah dynamic range could be a little better but you cant have everything I suspect the latest ursa will be the absolute bees knees 👌💪🤤
@@CINENIMUS I’ve never had the dynamic range be an issue. You just need to know how to expose it and work with the right ISO levels to shift the available stops above or below middle grey.
@chriseyrewalker try shooting a sunset with deep shadows haha
Yeah in 90% of the shots its not an issue but pockets do have better DR. I tested it myself and don’t care what fanboys say - its a fact.
@@CINENIMUS No, the Ursa G2 has the best dynamic range of all Blackmagic cameras except the new Cine Ursa 12 / 17k...
Great video. I love my G2. Got it ridiculously cheap a couple of years ago and never looked back. Pairs great with my pocket 4K. Little bit heavy especially when you start whacking cine glass on the front, but as someone who appreciates a good amount of weight to their rig, it’s perfect for me. Should probably look at getting some kind of rig support system to save my back in the future though.
Or start working out 💪 its light for me 🤷🏻♂️
@@CINENIMUS it’s lower back fatigue that kills me. After hours shooting with a built out rig (shoulder plate, evf, monitor, large vmount and cine lens) on and off the shoulder, handheld etc it really starts to wear on me 😂 and yes, I do go to the gym regularly due to the nature of my work!
@@iwsfilm_just tripod it then - how many hand held shots one ever needs? 🤷🏻♂️
@@CINENIMUS depends on the job!
Out of curiosity, how much did you get it for?
Timestamps
00:37 - Why I Purchased the Ursa Mini Pro G2
03:10 - 10 Reasons I Like The Camera
15:32 - Camera Drawbacks
21:51 - Who is This Camera for?
25:31 - Will I Keep this Camera?
27:00 - Final Thoughts & Conclusion
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I was able to get one while it was 50% off. My goal is to do more documentary/run & gun work and I felt like this would be better suited than my pocket cameras.
If you watched entire video then you will see I came to same conclusions but since I have no documentary / hand held work aligned - off it goes on eBay
@@CINENIMUS yes. I did watch the whole video, I was agreeing with your conclusion.
@@OurVoicesOurLivesoh 😅
How much was it in total?
Thanks for a great video! One thing pushing me towards the 6k pro rather than the UMPG2 is the gyro data recording. With the 6K you can easily stabilise using it in resolve to fix handheld jitters and the rolling shutter - two of the big advantages of the Ursa. Not sure how well that works for anamorphics though.. if at all.
Gyro data works 50/50 I would not rely on it, you can very slightly SOMETIMES improve rolling shutter perception. Its not a fix for a slow one. If you need handheld shooting forget about anything else. Ursa trumps EVERYTHING
Awesome video. Can you tell me which lens did you use in the video sapmples you provided? It looks soo good . Thanks
Thanks, it was 3 lenses. Laowa 100mm f2 super-macro, Sigma Art 35mm f1.4 and Blazar Remus 35mm t1.6
I still love and use my ursa G1 cinema dng is my favorite codec
No way
@@CINENIMUS it's superior. What's better than uncompressed raw data?
The magic in BLackmagic cameras were predicated on CDNG. Their old cameras felt like digital cameras trying to emulate film. They looked movie esque.
Now, BM cameras just look like insignificant video. Like cameras made to shoot generic Netflix originals content. The image used to be a work of art like the pocket original.
@@fourth1000its not. Just learn how to grade better.
@@CINENIMUS it is. Look at all the examples from even better colorist. The new cameras just look like video while more people get turned on by the charms of the pocket OG look.
BM cameras lack magic.
Would you mind to give your opinion about the LCD quality Colors and resolution? is it visible enough in daylight? I couldn't find any useful information on the web.
thanks in advance.
Sure, its about 800-1000 nits if I remember correctly so its a lot more readable than pocket 4k and 6k but doesn’t come close to pocket 6k pro or full frame. I have not used it in the desert BUT I can see everything in midday July in the UK / Europe so its a lot more usable than original pockets or most mirorless
@@CINENIMUS thanks a lot man.
I did a number of handheld interview long takes on ump 12k and it stabilises extremely well. Given the readout and resolution I don’t think that gyro stab is all that necessary
It also doesnt work half the time trust me, I have ALL the pockets and last time I was able to get usable results it was only out of 6k and that was only about 3 years ago its all junk now
@@CINENIMUS it’s down to sensor size but more so to resolution. 12K and 6K are simply better post stabilising because of their higher pixel density - more points to grapple with.
Do you also have experience with the G1 version? I'm considering one
Yeas. Worse.
@@CINENIMUS thanks, I was wondering whether to save up the extra cash needed for the G2 and from what I gather it's worth it
Love your videos. Can't wait to see your videos with this new camera. Does the camera have IBIS?
What camera and lense did you use for this talking head?
Don’t be lazy. Watch the video in its entirety to find the answers.
do you use Davinci Resolve?
duh
Great straight forward factual presentation. Great shots man! I currently use the BMFF. From one user to another does your CFexpress card type b get really hot while using? Thanks in advance.
Biggest you can get your hands on, brands dont matter so much anymore
I got myself a used G2 package a couple of months ago for dirt cheap and shot a commercial project + personal stuff with it. It has a beautiful image and ergonomics, especially when rigged out with a handle, shoulder pad and EVF (or easyrig + large monitor).
The only pain point is moire, which is not a problem most of the time, but when it appears it kills the shot. Just last week I had an interview shot where I wanted to stop down to f/3.5 but saw extreme moire on a suit jacket at that aperture. I opened up to f/1.8 and hoped the person would stay in focus. For single colour garments you can do a magic mask + extreme noise reduction node in Resolve, which might save the shot depending on the scene.
I get moire on full frame even with olpf on it. It’s unavoidable even alexas get it. Dont believe the shit you see online about magical filters helping with it.
@@CINENIMUS that's what I've determined as well. I come from a media tech university background - there's always a treshold of sensor resolution vs. pattern detail that creates interference patterns. OLFP mitigates some of the highest frequencies but can't take all of it out (since this would mean loss of all critical detail).
One cool trick to use if you're shooting in bright sunlight and have trouble with e.g. brick buildings or other details: stop down to f13 or above. The added diffraction will soften the image just the tiniest amount and get rid of all moire 👍
glad to see someone who know their shit, the a amount of blind fanboys in Blackmagic crowd is staggering...
@@CINENIMUS in any brand, I'd say. The prices for cinema equipment have become extremely accessible, which is fantastic for everyone who is passionate about creativity or a media career. I would've never thought possible to own a full cinema camera package (and powerful lights etc.) in my 5D MkIII Magic Lantern days.
It also means that you get individuals with a lacking tech understanding switching brands on a whim due to marketing and influencers. 70-80% of tech RUclips is marketing or at least somewhat affiliated with brands nowadays. You also get people hardcore fanboying single companies since they believe the buzzwords and "highlights" that brands purposefully attach to their products: "the Leica look", "Canon color science" and many other not so obvious ones.
I can rant about this forever but it's been said a million times: most current cameras are superb. Learn to light and tell stories.
@@CUTproductionsLtdyou little troll go away
"it's going to be a short video", me - alrighty then, should be a quick one, let's just check how short - *checks* "29 minutes" :O
Yeah sorry got carried away 🙈
@@CINENIMUS Haha no worries! still watched it all. Great insight!
@@Ryan-Payne❤
The problem with this camera is, that it does not have continuous electronic autofocus. All video cameras from Blackmagic design do not have continuous electronic autofocus :)
Haha thats not the problem with the camera its a problem with you. Not a single CINEMA camera has autofocus.
@@CINENIMUS But that is the market's problem. Most people buy cameras in the middle price level, around 2500 euro/dollar, and these people are not filmmakers, but ordinary people, who want to make videos on youtube. They need autofocus. Cannon and Nikon reduced DSLR production, because buyers demanded autofocus and DSLRs do not have autofocus. They had to integrate autofocus into DSLRs or change the camera type :)
I disagree with the ergonomics, it's clunky to hold. The best ergonomics is the Ronin 4D!
Omg no.
What on earth is that on your forehead?
Operation. Dont be an asshole
@@CINENIMUS Not being an asshole. Just asking a question. Thanks for answering.