I am a commercial pilot (737) and I can tell you that the X-Plane flight model is exaggerated. The 737 is very stable and great in crosswind conditions (much better than the A320). I don't know why the Zibo 737 behaves like that because on paper the X-Plane flight model should be superior to P3D. Looking at this video though I would say that P3D is too stable and X-Plane is too unstable. The real world 737 is somewhere in the middle. There is a payware 737 available for X-Plane, maybe try that instead? Great video though and great flying in difficult circumstances.
Great, thanks for your input! It could indeed be the Zibo's flight model, maybe when trying a payware 737, of which the IXEG 737 Classic is probably the best option, it will indeed be more close to reality, I will try that next time.
XPlane's modeling of gusts and shear are a little exagerated. HOWEVER the comparison was not a fair one. By his own admission there was no similar setting for shear level in the PMDG. What he set (not knowing better) was a shear of 30 knots! That is why the windshear warning was blaring constantly... Did you note how much the speed trend was dancing even off scale? I would never land any jet in those conditions... If PMDG really modeled the same conditions realistically it would not have been so easy to land... I noted there was no crab angle on final in the PMDG and it went straight down the runway... On top of that, a crosswind at 4o degrees gusting to 35 is no small thing... AND with a wet runway? Exceeds the AFM limitations for landing in a cross wind.... I have been flying large jets up to and including the 747 for 30+ years, I did not see a reasonable comaparison here.
Tim Sanders I watched the video on my phone so I couldn't read the actual settings and I am not familiar enough with these sims to know what wind speeds these slider settings correspond to. The young man in the video said that the conditions were not unusual so I assumed 20 to 25 kts winds with some turbulence. If what you describe are the settings then I have to agree. You wouldn't and shouldn't attempt to land in those conditions. Also it means that the PMDG model is way to stable.
Let me know here in the comments what sim you think portrays more accurate wind & weather effects on the aircraft (like the 737), especially if you are a real world pilot! :) Also make sure you check out my video where I try X-Plane 11 for the very first time: ruclips.net/video/WCV3c8uzUt0/видео.html
I'm real pilot A32X , and from the point of view I would prefer x plane 11. In P3D, everything is static but it does not happen. X plane 11 I see as the best simulator.
Andrey Tabolin we have to disagree on that, although X-Plane is much more smooth and nice, some say it has better physics modelling, yet I believe P3D offers better real world simulation, more expansion and better developers. All those FSX years made so much experience for developers. P3D also offers better system resource usage, so it won’t make your GPU get fried like x-plane.
Ramen Degén LOL don't even start with P3D has better physics. P3d is nothing more than a bunch of scripts telling the plane how to to fly based on control inputs, thats why it was barely moving in p3d
There's a video floating around the internet of a 737 captain doing full controller inputs on his yoke in somewhat similar gusty conditions. So to me, I would say that it's pretty close to dead on. I would also say that the Zibo has had input from a couple 737 captains in both systems and flight modeling. For me, it's free vs $140. The free option is actually quite respectable.
If anyone is wondering, flight dynamics zibomod will win because of x-planes fantastic flight modeling. System-wise however, PMDG will blow zibo out of the water. PMDG has the most detailed real-to-life modeled systems in any flight simulator ever. Their new 747 QOTS II is 95% close to the real thing which is absolutely outstanding. Maybe one day pmdg will move all their products to x plane and then we'll have the holy grail.
I fell out of love with PMDG when they decided to abandon the MD-11 which was the only plane I bought from them. It is the only reason I have P3Dv3 installed! As their first project they should have tested X-Plane with the MD-11. Instead they came out with the DC-06 which is even more of a niche aircraft than the MD-11 in my humble opinion. Rotatesim to the rescue!
you can change the control sensitivity in X-Plane which might help reduce the amount of control input you need and make it feel more like what you are used to in P3D.
somehow i think the X-Plane setting for Turbulence is too exaggerated. That half-way "Moderate" slider throws your plane everywhere. Never mind flying small GA plane with that setting.
flightdeck2sim is a channel created by a real 737 pilot/instructor. You can ask him as well but, I do know that how weather affects an aircraft in X-Plane is exagerated. There is no perfect sim!
After reading many of the comments, I would like to make one additional comment here that I don't think was covered, and that is, that in order to be able to accurately compare desk-top simulation realism to full motion realism accurately, you would first need to purchase the commercial use key for x-plane...which I believe is $750.00 U.S. in order to unlock the more fully accurate FAA approved features of the software. I would also expect, that there must be similar commercial use costs for the other sims mentioned as well. X-plane is used to operate many full motion simulators, but of course, in order to do so, you need to be running multiple computers with multiple copies of X-plane with multiple commercial use keys. So your average home simulator, regardless of brand, is not going to even remotely compare to the same sim operating at full potential in it's commercial and much more costly version.
Yes, except those 2 addons are very expensive and their value is relative. I am X-Plane user for 3 years and at the moment I am not considering purchase of those 2. For novice users, I would rather recommend to spend money on some quality aircrafts first. Zibomod is interesting, because its development progress is wild, but it is still a progress.
Hi, great video and well done !! I am 73 driver and rated from the -300 all the way to the -800, and as far as I am concerned, Prepar3d, unfortunately, does not come close to reality, Xplane 11 has far more real flight dynamics which may be quite a change when switching from Prepar3D to Xplane... That is just my opinion as a 73 pilot.
Indeed! I am a big fan of the shift 2 camera. I will put the view close to the ground and close to or on the runway. It reminds me of what I would see if I were there, watching the airplane.
if any people ask, if they should go with p3d or xplane, one should show them this video, because its the answer. But most of people doesnt matter about the flight realism itself, everyone want to have the better graphics and addons, and yes in that case p3d is the winner, but in a few years, it will look completly different, more and more people fly with XP11. The flight feeling and realism is much better in XP, its no flying on rails like p3d. The first landing try at xp in this video was still amazing. A few years ago, I could make a cockpit fly at the jumpseat in an Embrear 180, and for the landing in Vienna, we had about 40-60kts crosswind (storm warning all over Austria), it was horrible how much input the pilot had to made, that he could fly and didnt lose the control of the plane. And what happened at your XP landing, was still the same, this is how an airplane reacts when you have a lot of wind :) ps: sorry for not perfect english, I'm from Austria :)
No guys, knowing the P3D team, I think they’ll be working on a major upgrade for the graphics engine, did a great job for the v4. But yet P3D beats XPlane in flight controls, and expansion. Also the AI aircraft and autopilots behave MUCH better
I was interested watching this what you have to say. I swapped from FSX to XP11 and I'm starting to think Zibo 737-800 is pretty good for a freeware after the updates. Personally I feel the physics engine in XP11 makes my landings easier than it was in FSX because it's more responsive. It's easier to make small adjustments when you are on final approach. In FSX i tend to oversteer more often.
P3D is technically the same price as XP11, at 60 USD (unless you buy the professional license which costs 200 USD, or the pro plus for 2300 USD), but I'd say overall XP11 is way cheaper after you buy the actual sim. For p3d, you have to buy a bunch of payware addons, because the default aircraft are so bad, and in xplane, you have the free zibo, default GA aircraft, and so much great free scenery. I'd go for xplane. Oh, and xplane also frequently goes for sale for like 40 USD.
Hmm yes, actually on takeoff I was kind of launched like on an aircraft carrier because of the slope of this runway here. Just wondering: turning that off, does that get rid of all slopes on all runways? From what I know X-Plane is known for it's sloped runways in the first place. Again, also the runway slopes seem to be a bit exaggerated, just wondering if it becomes totally flat once that setting is turned off and which one of these settings is more close to reality.
Some runway mesh are messed up like that one. But some others are actually very well - so adding a scenery with mesh fix would probably be the best thing imo, since slopes on runways are great
I've been using flight simulator (2004, X, Steam) and P3D V4. I must say, I am really impressed with X-Plane 11--very smooth. I would like to switch to XP11, unfortunately, I spent thousands of dollars of heavy addons for P3D. It would be a waste of f***ing money. Wish I could of went to XP11 before.
There you can see the main difference between a Simulator based on real physics ... and P3D the Trainsimulator 😊. PMDG does an outstanding job with their product. It leads the sim world 737ng in terms of System depth until these days. but in terms of manual flightperformance it is limited by P3Ds year 2000 up to date Physics simulation. Many people switch to X-Plane and try the Zibo mod for the first time and ask “Hey something is wrong with the plane. Every time I Takeoff and rotate the nose drops at approx 10degrees nose up. The amount of back pressure isn’t enough to even hold it at 10degrees nor to increase the attitude!”. One of many correct simulated physical things that confuse the old P3D guys. Now real world techniques become important. A real world pilot can explain what is the deadband. And yes the Zibomod is WIP. But many real world pilots and instructors working on this and take level D simulator data to match the real thing. And make sure you deactivate laminars “Experimental” Flightmodel, it destroys the Zibo.
As you said, just look at the speed tape rendering. XP11 maintained smooth transit and trend arrows particularly during wind shear. I agree that in X-plane most aircraft feel too light (I only have the demo). In FS some simple hacking could fix it. Is this not possible in X-plane?
AviationPro I'm trying to get XP11 to my liking. I feel that wind effect in all modes of flight is excessive. In FS you could simply modify the .air file within a text editor. Sometimes use settings from a more stable addon aircraft. Is this possible in XP11 or is all this set in stone by the core sim by way of laminar or blade technology? That was my query. Enjoyed your experiment.
I feel xplane 11 is far more realistic in flight dynamics... I switched from prepar3d to xplane 11 and loving it. zibo is freeware and cant be compared to pmdg when it comes to aircraft systems though. But flying wise, xplane 11 is awesome
Purely a guess on my part but I wonder whether PMDG would bother coming out with any thing less than a 737-900 because the Zibo mod will continue to be taken up by a lot of simmers who find it hard to come up with the money to buy their payware & are happy to fly with a freeware A/C that is getting better by the day. Could it be a B787, as there is a need for a study level one in X-P?
Hello Aviation Pro. Thank you for the comparison video. What number & letter version of the Zibo mod did you use to conduct this comparison against PMDG? Thanks!
Hi Aviation pro....sry for off the topic comment...bt jst a request can u make a video on..how to fly on vatsim with x plane..and model matching in x plane for vatsim...plz
AviationPro hi..thks for rply..by the way I found out..hope it will work for u as well... forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/37041-bluebell-obj8-csl-packages/
Jeff Baird i use both and let me tell you ixeg is not complete, ( no hold, no fix, no offset) The best aircraft i owned so far for xplane is 767 ff. This aircraft is a pmdg level +++ for xplane
Hey, my friend @Hayko , this discussion is about flight model of 737 on both platforms. Of course IXEG have no "hold" function simulated, but the flight model and cockpit graphics is really awesome. PS> agree with you about FF767 ;-)
E, the windshear in the RW is intermittent and of shorter duration, but XP11 is generally more accurate despite the improvements to FSX by LM in P3D. There IS a problem with latency adjustment in the controls on BOTH systems. The behaviors you experienced are more those of smaller GA aircraft than of planes with far greater mass; probably due to freeware. Payware performance differs remarkably, for example the IXEG 737 classic will blow your mind, steampunk aside. Cute default retro cottonball weather, btw. Nice vid. Fun to watch you lose it just a bit. Keep the blue side up.
Such comparisons are interesting. The difficulty is becoming acquainted with just what the weather settings (etc) actually produce in the different sim environments. Realistically, a windshear does not go on for miles and miles, but are usually quite localized ... unless one is flying through horrific weather that one would divert around anyway. One might also expect that RW ATC would put planes into holding patterns for a bit when Doppler showed windshear in the lower velocity final approach corridors, and especially so if such is shown to be right at the airport itself. Windshear and microbursts are not usually of such long duration. I don't know if Gibraltar is Doppler equipped . Regardless, it's really nice to see you sharing your spare time to produce content for us all again. Thank you.
@@ramind10001 Xplane is far more realistic. From my flying experience in real life up here in North Dakota, I can say that flying is rarely stable in a way that P3D portrays it... That's why all of our simulators use xplane for the flight models. I used to be an FSX guy, bought just about everything from PMDG but when I started flying in real life I decided to give xplane a try and have never looked back its a great sim that portrays what its actually like to fly...
You can more feel of the cabin dimensions in xplane 11 , the 737 cockpit looks and feels narrower than it should in pd3d and fsx and even better I get way better performance in xplane 11 than fsx
I actually spoke with a good friend of mine who works at Delta and flies the 757. I asked him “Is it difficult to land a 757?” He told me that he feels like he’s flying a C172 when he flies the 75. I have also talked to CRJ and Airbus pilots and they all say all aircraft still feel like the C172 just larger!
Christian Samuels yes I agree on that with the 75, but the 73 on landing is like a rock, and the 74 also. But X-plane uses C172 for all of them. Not so real
There's a simmer (real pilot) that can judge for real the two simulation models, P3D and X Plane 11? Out there, in internet, there are some "don't know", and "I'm not a pilot".
grillodon it’s all down to you. I’ve been around the 73s for some time now (switching to Saab 340Bs :) ) and I like P3D more than XPlane. It has better AI. Better graphics, better system and flight control simulation and much more expansion and addons. Still it’s a personal choice
I fly with fs9 and fsx since 7 years and now I'm on xplane11 I never return on fs, xplane be very professionnal and more better next time try 733 xieg if u want a good job and for information the 738 zibo is free on xplane 11
I think x-plane 11 weather is exaggerated compared to what you would expect the sliders to do. You should adjust the weather to what feels right regardless of how the weather is described.
At the first look, seems to me x-plane has better performance, I missed crosswind effect on the jet looks really unrealistic. Usually, the jet moves slower on final than that. And on the wet runway after touch down, there is a lot of work to do with rudder and yoke to keep jet stable. However, I give better scores to x-plane. Ye turbulence effect looked like Cessna 172, not the B738
Yeah could be, although you can see I gave full deflection to the left or right at times, and even then it was very slow to respond, probably because of the gusty winds.
No matter how good the zibo mod is, it is still a freeware aircraft (a damn good one true). Why compare PMDG that has been at it for so long with a freeware aircraft? Great video nonetheless, but since you are new to X plane you may want to try some other payware more in depth planes.
With those weather conditions, I doubt the QNH setting should be 29.92inHg. Great video demonstrating the difference between the two! Made me more interested to start considering Xplane :) The Zibo 737 looks great however I hope more real life pilots can lend a hand to the development of its flight dynamics. Looking video, it seems like that 737 is stripped of a yaw damper, oscillating around in the air hahaha.
Thanks. Yeah I forgot to set the QNH properly in X-Plane 11, but I did set it at 996 hPa, which would have been more realistic for those weather conditions :).
Yeah you're right about the yaw damper. The yaw damper indication on the main panel is also missing. Kind of feels like flying an Embraer 135 on final approach :D
The newer serial numbers on the 737NG do not have a yaw damper indicator - it has been deleted. Really though, you are to used to FSX. real pilots prefer XPlane for a reason.... Spend some more time with XPlane and you will begin to appreciate the difference. And really, PMDG is a great product, but the modeling of weather in FSX is just too darn babied down. If you had a real cross wind with gusts (and especially the 30 knot windshear that you set in Xplane, you would know that this is no cake walk. In real life I would not have attempted to land in such conditions - particularly on a wet runway that exceeds the crosswind limitations of the 737 for wet runways! That opinion comes from 34 years flying jets of all sizes uo to and including B747. Have an open heart and spend some time with it - you will come to not appreciate XPlane but begin to Love it :)
As you say wind conditions are exaggerated in the Zibo mod but let's not forget it's a mod and a free one at that compare that with 140 dollar PMDG payware aircraft well you can't really compare them really ✌️,as far as the rain effects PMDG are so kindly giving the community you forgot to mention I believe it won't be a free addon to any1 with the 737 more money people's 😂nice vid tho and well done on both landings sir.
I know, that's why I mention many times in the video that Zibo is freeware, but I'll probably compare PMDG with IXEG at some point to get a fair comparison :)
I know you did man and that is fair maybe when it's finished you could compare them but as the XP community says the Zibo mod will never be done lol but we will see it is a mod of passion for the guy so we will see I suppose,and it is as you said b4 a fantastic mod and worth having in XP
You have WAY over adjusted the settings in X-plane. The settings in X-plane go FAR beyond P3D. So you can't match them up unless you go to an airport that has bad conditions that day and then makes the weather match the real world weather conditions on both sims and then try flying the aircraft. It's probably the only way to get a good 100% comparison. Also to get onto the X-Plane forums and get the 'Simulation Settings' for weather conditions. Just my opinion.
Nice flying, but you still have the same problem with the input. Plane movement was indeed exagerated on the first try with X Plane 11. No matter the weather conditions, the inputs on the short finals are always very small inputs. That kind of airplane has sufficient momentum and inertia vectors to be able to keep a relatively linear direction once it's established. You have to understand that a plane is not moving trough the air like a car, I mean when you steer, a car will turn without dragging, in normal driving condition (optimal speed). A plane will turn the tail in opposite direction than the one desired, therefor moving the nose to where you want it to go, but the most important thing is that the ariplane is always gonna turn in car dragg style, it's always gonna slide, it's physics. That is the reason why the final approach inputs need to stay as minimum as possible, except very violent winds. So it will be more realistic for you to try to guide the ariplane in that way, without those bounces.
*LOL* 09 rwy , as long as I remember you not allowed to enter private boats peer, at the time of not EU Brightish Airlines were penalized by Sp. controllers for crossing that red line. Now is EU maybe they changed approach router and it no more restricted for visual.
The Zibo just doesn't feel right in X-Plane, it feels like a Cessna 152. With the NGX, you can really feel like there is weight and momentum behind the flight physics.
I friend of mine flies a real 737, and have used the pmdg and the zibo and says the zibo in xplane is far more realistic and behaves almost exactly like the real plane. The pmdg is more on rails in prepar3d. Which has to do with limitations of the sim. Xplane is much more realistic if it comes to flight dynamics.
Noooo, don't go around. Slam it down and jump on the brakes! it's the beauty of a simulator. Besides, if I hear WIND SHEAR one more time I am going to throw this tablet across the room! ;)
That "Sensitive GPWS" is back. This time with numerous "WINDSHEAR" warnings. And that AOA indicator was fluctuating alot. If I tried this on X-Plane, I couldn't have landed it at all due to its sensitive flight controls. I got used to FSX's flight controls. Nice comparison.
omg i thought i was justa dumb ass who cant manually land this 737x zibo properly without crashing even in good weather condition. Ive been searching for tutorials on how to correctly calibrate my xtreme 3d pro for this zibo add on. I am obviously not a real life pilot and also not a flight sim expert but i so convinced that there is something wrong with the flight model of 737 zibo mod.
Watching both landings I see an almost clear sky in P3D and a rainy environment (as it should be) in xp11! ! The weather engine in P3D is terrible compared to the one in x-plane! Maybe that's is the reason why the Zibo behaviour is so different in comparison with PMDG! Anyway, PMDG is pay ware and Zibo totaly free and still updated every month a few times! and still better ( own both sims and planes) By the way, why you don't set your autobrakes to max, in such a short runway?
Tried X-plane (ixeg737, rotadeMD80, DF heli's etc) the controls are waaaay to twitchy so I'm not going to buy anything for x-plane anymore! Staying with FSX & DCS. Go to DCS & learn about how RL FMs & controls sett-ups should be!
The Turbulence effects in X plane 11 are absurdly exaggerated even if you select a tiny amount of slider for that "feature". As for "flight models" you are mainly testing the autopilots which over-ride the manual flight model. Also the larger the aircraft, in both sims, the more a fllght model can get away with murder because of the much larger inertia. The real test of flight modelling is in much smaller aircraft. Neither sim out of the box is any good in this regard, but if anything X plane is even worse than Prepar/FSX. The ground handling is also an embarrassment. It's amazing how some people get taken in by claims of "superior" flight modelling. On balance X plane has a terrible core flight model: Bouncy, unstable pitch control, way too excessive cross wind influence on fuselages, very poorly done wind and weather effects, no side slipping and impossible to spin. Both have flaws and really it is up to addon makers to tweak them and improve them.
Well ! P3D is like Minecraft and X-Plane is realism ,are you looking for easiness or realism? I guess real life pilot would avoid these situations at all cost or go CAT II , III if available ,FSX and P3D are too minecrafted type of sim .
Thank you for that video. Inspired, I made the same flight in an Airbus: ruclips.net/video/d6jodzbGefs/видео.html. I think I got the same settings. The wind shear by X° changes the wind +/- X° all the time. This is a bit exaggerated in X Plane 11, I think. You should limit this to 5°.
You cant compare pmdg great payware with stock 737 of the xplane. Its totally unfair, if you wana a real comparation, compare pmdg on p3d and ixeg 737 300 or flight factor b757 on xplane. Then you will see the diference of them. Good luck on xplane and if you have any question on xplane be my guest or wath frooglesim channel and his friend thomas rasmesum. You will fall in love with xplane soon. So start to check and buy the addons and plugins. Also you can do flights online. Im prety sure about ivao but do not have any idea about vatsim.
Sorry but the Zibo looks like a toy compared to the PMDG. Saying that, the Zibo mod is also free. I wonder if the x-plane users are trying to convince themselves or others that x-plane is supposedly better as i never see comments on x-plane streams how p3d is 'better'. I still use fsx and will jump to p3d when the out of memory errors affect me, would have given x-plane a try but i get a toxic kinda vibe from the x-plane community, it's like you have to say x-plane is the best (even tho both sims look amazing and have their merits) or else. Anyway, enjoy your videos, keep up the good work :)
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I am a commercial pilot (737) and I can tell you that the X-Plane flight model is exaggerated. The 737 is very stable and great in crosswind conditions (much better than the A320). I don't know why the Zibo 737 behaves like that because on paper the X-Plane flight model should be superior to P3D. Looking at this video though I would say that P3D is too stable and X-Plane is too unstable. The real world 737 is somewhere in the middle. There is a payware 737 available for X-Plane, maybe try that instead?
Great video though and great flying in difficult circumstances.
Great, thanks for your input! It could indeed be the Zibo's flight model, maybe when trying a payware 737, of which the IXEG 737 Classic is probably the best option, it will indeed be more close to reality, I will try that next time.
the zibo is a freeware. i cannot take this video seriously. comparing the fslabs and the 320ultimate would be acceptable.
X-Plane has always been too strong in turbulences and windshear... You should lower those settings a bit
XPlane's modeling of gusts and shear are a little exagerated. HOWEVER the comparison was not a fair one. By his own admission there was no similar setting for shear level in the PMDG. What he set (not knowing better) was a shear of 30 knots! That is why the windshear warning was blaring constantly...
Did you note how much the speed trend was dancing even off scale? I would never land any jet in those conditions... If PMDG really modeled the same conditions realistically it would not have been so easy to land... I noted there was no crab angle on final in the PMDG and it went straight down the runway...
On top of that, a crosswind at 4o degrees gusting to 35 is no small thing... AND with a wet runway? Exceeds the AFM limitations for landing in a cross wind....
I have been flying large jets up to and including the 747 for 30+ years, I did not see a reasonable comaparison here.
Tim Sanders I watched the video on my phone so I couldn't read the actual settings and I am not familiar enough with these sims to know what wind speeds these slider settings correspond to. The young man in the video said that the conditions were not unusual so I assumed 20 to 25 kts winds with some turbulence. If what you describe are the settings then I have to agree. You wouldn't and shouldn't attempt to land in those conditions. Also it means that the PMDG model is way to stable.
Let me know here in the comments what sim you think portrays more accurate wind & weather effects on the aircraft (like the 737), especially if you are a real world pilot! :) Also make sure you check out my video where I try X-Plane 11 for the very first time: ruclips.net/video/WCV3c8uzUt0/видео.html
I'm real pilot A32X , and from the point of view I would prefer x plane 11. In P3D, everything is static but it does not happen. X plane 11 I see as the best simulator.
Thanks! :)
Andrey Tabolin we have to disagree on that, although X-Plane is much more smooth and nice, some say it has better physics modelling, yet I believe P3D offers better real world simulation, more expansion and better developers. All those FSX years made so much experience for developers. P3D also offers better system resource usage, so it won’t make your GPU get fried like x-plane.
Ramen Degén LOL don't even start with P3D has better physics. P3d is nothing more than a bunch of scripts telling the plane how to to fly based on control inputs, thats why it was barely moving in p3d
Real pilot😂😂😂, i would say flight engineer (a320😂😂)
@@ramind10001 dude I have a gtx 770 and can run xplane11 at 60fps
You should do this again, Zibo have made the 737 much better
This wasnt even zibos fault he fucked up his weather settings and has zero curve on his joystick inputs
I honestly think that in P3D weather is a bit too "easily" simulated, and in XP11 its a bit too extreme.
I agree, it feels like it needs to be somewhere in the middle :)
'I'm going to land a 737 at Gibraltar.'
'I'm going to do it in X-Plane 11.'
'I've never actually landed at Gibraltar before.'
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There's a video floating around the internet of a 737 captain doing full controller inputs on his yoke in somewhat similar gusty conditions. So to me, I would say that it's pretty close to dead on. I would also say that the Zibo has had input from a couple 737 captains in both systems and flight modeling. For me, it's free vs $140. The free option is actually quite respectable.
But was that video in the same conditions? Might have been a whole lot more worse METAR report than the weather settings I set here.
Brett Pyle for FSX it is. But for P3D it’s 140.
If anyone is wondering, flight dynamics zibomod will win because of x-planes fantastic flight modeling. System-wise however, PMDG will blow zibo out of the water. PMDG has the most detailed real-to-life modeled systems in any flight simulator ever. Their new 747 QOTS II is 95% close to the real thing which is absolutely outstanding. Maybe one day pmdg will move all their products to x plane and then we'll have the holy grail.
Xenthera when that happens i think we will be able to count sim hours as real lol :) dreams
I fell out of love with PMDG when they decided to abandon the MD-11 which was the only plane I bought from them. It is the only reason I have P3Dv3 installed! As their first project they should have tested X-Plane with the MD-11. Instead they came out with the DC-06 which is even more of a niche aircraft than the MD-11 in my humble opinion. Rotatesim to the rescue!
Welcome to X-Plane im not sure if XP is over exaggerated, but what i do no is that FSX-P3D is like flying on rail tracks.
you can change the control sensitivity in X-Plane which might help reduce the amount of control input you need and make it feel more like what you are used to in P3D.
somehow i think the X-Plane setting for Turbulence is too exaggerated. That half-way "Moderate" slider throws your plane everywhere. Never mind flying small GA plane with that setting.
That was just the zibo 737, which was an add-on
flightdeck2sim is a channel created by a real 737 pilot/instructor. You can ask him as well but, I do know that how weather affects an aircraft in X-Plane is exagerated. There is no perfect sim!
Haha yes I know him, he already commented here somewhere! :)
After reading many of the comments, I would like to make one additional comment here that I don't think was covered, and that is, that in order to be able to accurately compare desk-top simulation realism to full motion realism accurately, you would first need to purchase the commercial use key for x-plane...which I believe is $750.00 U.S. in order to unlock the more fully accurate FAA approved features of the software. I would also expect, that there must be similar commercial use costs for the other sims mentioned as well. X-plane is used to operate many full motion simulators, but of course, in order to do so, you need to be running multiple computers with multiple copies of X-plane with multiple commercial use keys. So your average home simulator, regardless of brand, is not going to even remotely compare to the same sim operating at full potential in it's commercial and much more costly version.
TerraMAXX + xEnviro + zibomod = close to perfection in X- Plane 11. Not missing P3D at all.
:D
Agree 100%
Yes, except those 2 addons are very expensive and their value is relative. I am X-Plane user for 3 years and at the moment I am not considering purchase of those 2. For novice users, I would rather recommend to spend money on some quality aircrafts first. Zibomod is interesting, because its development progress is wild, but it is still a progress.
Agree
Agree
can u please show a replay of the landing at the end
I'll try it next time in another landing challenge :D
AviationPro ok thanks
for what u can get for free in xp11 is incredible
excuse me? u still have to buy the game. u flight sim enthusiast forgot the meaning of free XD
@@greenbillugaming2781 nah bro, xplane mobile #free4life
ButterfaceG haha 😂
@@greenbillugaming2781he said "Things you can get IN xplane" dumbass
Then only the demo for 15 minutes
i did noticed you didn't use the autobrake, not sure if this was intentional or not
Yep, 2:09
sorry i must have missed that point. thanks
Xplane 11 is way more realistic in the flying feels way more natural
Jup!
Okay, I'm sure you've flown a 737 IRL. Anyways, even real pilots are saying that the 737 is highly exaggerated in xPlane 11
Unless you`re a 737 pilot IRL i don't think you're well suited to have an opinion on what's more natural
Hi, great video and well done !! I am 73 driver and rated from the -300 all the way to the -800, and as far as I am concerned, Prepar3d, unfortunately, does not come close to reality, Xplane 11 has far more real flight dynamics which may be quite a change when switching from Prepar3D to Xplane... That is just my opinion as a 73 pilot.
Thank you! :)
My time with the 73s tell me something different, to me X-Plane is too fast to react to inputs where P3D is great
Hi. Great series of vids in comparing the two sims. I have recently started using xp from p3d and these are right in the money. Many thanks 😊
Haha, thanks!
Andy Holmes i just did the opposite lol
you should make use of the instant replay feature of xplane, really cool to see how bumpy the landing was with the shift + 4 view
Thanks, I'll try it next time :)
Indeed! I am a big fan of the shift 2 camera. I will put the view close to the ground and close to or on the runway. It reminds me of what I would see if I were there, watching the airplane.
@@Meatball546 also shift + 6 fort ower view then zoom in, really cool.
Great video and thanks again for your effort, and yer would like to see more comparison video for sure :)
You're welcome! :)
if any people ask, if they should go with p3d or xplane, one should show them this video, because its the answer. But most of people doesnt matter about the flight realism itself, everyone want to have the better graphics and addons, and yes in that case p3d is the winner, but in a few years, it will look completly different, more and more people fly with XP11. The flight feeling and realism is much better in XP, its no flying on rails like p3d. The first landing try at xp in this video was still amazing. A few years ago, I could make a cockpit fly at the jumpseat in an Embrear 180, and for the landing in Vienna, we had about 40-60kts crosswind (storm warning all over Austria), it was horrible how much input the pilot had to made, that he could fly and didnt lose the control of the plane. And what happened at your XP landing, was still the same, this is how an airplane reacts when you have a lot of wind :) ps: sorry for not perfect english, I'm from Austria :)
Lukas Zitz xplane wins in graphics too, it offers more out of the box and is certainly the future of sim
No guys, knowing the P3D team, I think they’ll be working on a major upgrade for the graphics engine, did a great job for the v4. But yet P3D beats XPlane in flight controls, and expansion. Also the AI aircraft and autopilots behave MUCH better
you really need xprealistic pro, its really cheap but for what you get is unbelievable. it transforms the experience
I was interested watching this what you have to say. I swapped from FSX to XP11 and I'm starting to think Zibo 737-800 is pretty good for a freeware after the updates. Personally I feel the physics engine in XP11 makes my landings easier than it was in FSX because it's more responsive. It's easier to make small adjustments when you are on final approach. In FSX i tend to oversteer more often.
Thank you! :)
Is Prepar3D cheaper than xplane11?
If so what’s the difference? Can’t find it online so I’m asking here. Thx!
P3D is technically the same price as XP11, at 60 USD (unless you buy the professional license which costs 200 USD, or the pro plus for 2300 USD), but I'd say overall XP11 is way cheaper after you buy the actual sim. For p3d, you have to buy a bunch of payware addons, because the default aircraft are so bad, and in xplane, you have the free zibo, default GA aircraft, and so much great free scenery. I'd go for xplane. Oh, and xplane also frequently goes for sale for like 40 USD.
Ninjo thx for the reply!
Well, turning off "Runway follow terrain contours" in ur settings will help you fix the bumpy runways :)
Hmm yes, actually on takeoff I was kind of launched like on an aircraft carrier because of the slope of this runway here. Just wondering: turning that off, does that get rid of all slopes on all runways? From what I know X-Plane is known for it's sloped runways in the first place. Again, also the runway slopes seem to be a bit exaggerated, just wondering if it becomes totally flat once that setting is turned off and which one of these settings is more close to reality.
Yup it's gonna get flat and much better than turning on that coz I think thats kinda annoying for me ...
Some runway mesh are messed up like that one. But some others are actually very well - so adding a scenery with mesh fix would probably be the best thing imo, since slopes on runways are great
I can realy recommend the head shake plugin for x plane because then you can feel that you actually touched down.
I've been using flight simulator (2004, X, Steam) and P3D V4. I must say, I am really impressed with X-Plane 11--very smooth. I would like to switch to XP11, unfortunately, I spent thousands of dollars of heavy addons for P3D. It would be a waste of f***ing money. Wish I could of went to XP11 before.
xp11 doesnt have alot of addons
There you can see the main difference between a Simulator based on real physics ... and P3D the Trainsimulator 😊. PMDG does an outstanding job with their product. It leads the sim world 737ng in terms of System depth until these days. but in terms of manual flightperformance it is limited by P3Ds year 2000 up to date Physics simulation. Many people switch to X-Plane and try the Zibo mod for the first time and ask “Hey something is wrong with the plane. Every time I Takeoff and rotate the nose drops at approx 10degrees nose up. The amount of back pressure isn’t enough to even hold it at 10degrees nor to increase the attitude!”. One of many correct simulated physical things that confuse the old P3D guys. Now real world techniques become important. A real world pilot can explain what is the deadband. And yes the Zibomod is WIP. But many real world pilots and instructors working on this and take level D simulator data to match the real thing. And make sure you deactivate laminars “Experimental” Flightmodel, it destroys the Zibo.
Hans Peters Have you heard about something called elevator trim?
Hello does Zibo 737 has full functioning FMC , and ILS Cat 3 approach capable? THANKS
Oh man that video was awesome Also you managed to land a 737 in these kind of conditions that means that you're an AMAZING pilot!!!!
Thanks!
Dat vinden wij niet raar, dat vinden we bijzonder (Only Dutch people will understand this)
As you said, just look at the speed tape rendering. XP11 maintained smooth transit and trend arrows particularly during wind shear. I agree that in X-plane most aircraft feel too light (I only have the demo). In FS some simple hacking could fix it. Is this not possible in X-plane?
What do you mean? To fix what exactly, the winds or the light feeling?
AviationPro I'm trying to get XP11 to my liking. I feel that wind effect in all modes of flight is excessive. In FS you could simply modify the .air file within a text editor. Sometimes use settings from a more stable addon aircraft. Is this possible in XP11 or is all this set in stone by the core sim by way of laminar or blade technology? That was my query. Enjoyed your experiment.
I feel xplane 11 is far more realistic in flight dynamics... I switched from prepar3d to xplane 11 and loving it. zibo is freeware and cant be compared to pmdg when it comes to aircraft systems though. But flying wise, xplane 11 is awesome
Could you land 737 on a very small runway not ment for 737 but sufficient to have a landing?
Purely a guess on my part but I wonder whether PMDG would bother coming out with any thing less than a 737-900 because the Zibo mod will continue to be taken up by a lot of simmers who find it hard to come up with the money to buy their payware & are happy to fly with a freeware A/C that is getting better by the day. Could it be a B787, as there is a need for a study level one in X-P?
Hello Aviation Pro. Thank you for the comparison video. What number & letter version of the Zibo mod did you use to conduct this comparison against PMDG? Thanks!
You're welcome! This was version 3.25L :)
Is that wind shear alert a separate add on? My zibo 737 doesn’t have it. Where did you get it?
Not sure, it should be included but of course it depends on the weather whether you actually get a windshear alert ;)
Alright
Hi Aviation pro....sry for off the topic comment...bt jst a request can u make a video on..how to fly on vatsim with x plane..and model matching in x plane for vatsim...plz
I might, but I first need to find out myself how to do that! :)
AviationPro hi..thks for rply..by the way I found out..hope it will work for u as well...
forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/37041-bluebell-obj8-csl-packages/
Try comparing a payware aircraft to a payware aircraft. Try PMDG vs IXEG 737 then you’ll have a good idea.
The winner is IXEG 737....
I'd love to try IXEG 737 soon ;)
IXEG FTW
a realy good idea! you are able to do that.
Jeff Baird i use both and let me tell you ixeg is not complete, ( no hold, no fix, no offset)
The best aircraft i owned so far for xplane is 767 ff. This aircraft is a pmdg level +++ for xplane
Hey, my friend @Hayko , this discussion is about flight model of 737 on both platforms. Of course IXEG have no "hold" function simulated, but the flight model and cockpit graphics is really awesome. PS> agree with you about FF767 ;-)
What addon did you use for the trim wheel sounds on the pmdg 737 ngx?
As far as I know simply the ones that come with the NGX
Is it a thing that pmdg has for p3d because I have the fsx version.
E, the windshear in the RW is intermittent and of shorter duration, but XP11 is generally more accurate despite the improvements to FSX by LM in P3D. There IS a problem with latency adjustment in the controls on BOTH systems. The behaviors you experienced are more those of smaller GA aircraft than of planes with far greater mass; probably due to freeware. Payware performance differs remarkably, for example the IXEG 737 classic will blow your mind, steampunk aside. Cute default retro cottonball weather, btw. Nice vid. Fun to watch you lose it just a bit. Keep the blue side up.
Thanks! :) Yes that's true, I'm going to try the IXEG soon and probably some other airliners to see how they respond in this kind of weather :).
Such comparisons are interesting. The difficulty is becoming acquainted with just what the weather settings (etc) actually produce in the different sim environments. Realistically, a windshear does not go on for miles and miles, but are usually quite localized ... unless one is flying through horrific weather that one would divert around anyway. One might also expect that RW ATC would put planes into holding patterns for a bit when Doppler showed windshear in the lower velocity final approach corridors, and especially so if such is shown to be right at the airport itself. Windshear and microbursts are not usually of such long duration. I don't know if Gibraltar is Doppler equipped . Regardless, it's really nice to see you sharing your spare time to produce content for us all again. Thank you.
xp11 simulates air moving across the fuselage. p3d has a file. Which is better?
hannes torstensson P3D is more stable and realistic I BELIEVE
@@ramind10001 Xplane is far more realistic. From my flying experience in real life up here in North Dakota, I can say that flying is rarely stable in a way that P3D portrays it... That's why all of our simulators use xplane for the flight models. I used to be an FSX guy, bought just about everything from PMDG but when I started flying in real life I decided to give xplane a try and have never looked back its a great sim that portrays what its actually like to fly...
Hey man loving your videos keep it up and you earned a sub
Thanks!
Nice video. Can you imagine doing this at night with low ceilings.
I think you could use the enhanced runways on your X-Plane, the runways look waaaay better
I'll check it out :)
Very well done AviationPro. The next time could you try landing in similar condition on LGSK about 19.00h sim time please?
Thanks! Haha, perhaps, that would probably be a very nice view! :)
You can more feel of the cabin dimensions in xplane 11 , the 737 cockpit looks and feels narrower than it should in pd3d and fsx and even better I get way better performance in xplane 11 than fsx
My problem with X-plane is that just about every aircraft flies like a C172....
I actually spoke with a good friend of mine who works at Delta and flies the 757. I asked him “Is it difficult to land a 757?” He told me that he feels like he’s flying a C172 when he flies the 75. I have also talked to CRJ and Airbus pilots and they all say all aircraft still feel like the C172 just larger!
:D
Christian Samuels what ya doin here? :)
Fisher what you doing up so early fishy? :D glad to hear from you again
Christian Samuels yes I agree on that with the 75, but the 73 on landing is like a rock, and the 74 also. But X-plane uses C172 for all of them. Not so real
There's a simmer (real pilot) that can judge for real the two simulation models, P3D and X Plane 11? Out there, in internet, there are some "don't know", and "I'm not a pilot".
grillodon it’s all down to you. I’ve been around the 73s for some time now (switching to Saab 340Bs :) ) and I like P3D more than XPlane. It has better AI. Better graphics, better system and flight control simulation and much more expansion and addons. Still it’s a personal choice
I know it's a year old, but Flightdeck2sim is the person you're looking for
I fly with fs9 and fsx since 7 years and now I'm on xplane11 I never return on fs, xplane be very professionnal and more better next time try 733 xieg if u want a good job and for information the 738 zibo is free on xplane 11
Ive never had or seen the Zibo mod act like that, it might be your sensitivity settings or something
No idea, it was probably the weather settings that were too extreme for comfort :)
Turn down your control sensitivity on your yoke. it will help a lot!
It feels like p3d do not get affected at all
When using Active Sky, more dynamic effects are added, but just setting your own weather indeed doesn't affect the air frame as much.
I think x-plane 11 weather is exaggerated compared to what you would expect the sliders to do. You should adjust the weather to what feels right regardless of how the weather is described.
At the first look, seems to me x-plane has better performance, I missed crosswind effect on the jet looks really unrealistic. Usually, the jet moves slower on final than that. And on the wet runway after touch down, there is a lot of work to do with rudder and yoke to keep jet stable. However, I give better scores to x-plane. Ye turbulence effect looked like Cessna 172, not the B738
This is why i stuck with fsx and pmdg.
Play about with your XP11 Controller Sensitivity settings,then you will feel a difference for sure! :)
Yeah could be, although you can see I gave full deflection to the left or right at times, and even then it was very slow to respond, probably because of the gusty winds.
Hey Aviation Pro. Please tell me how do you get good fps in x plane 11.
No idea, I just used it a few times now, check my specs to see what hardware would be handy :)
AviationPro if you have any ideas please let me know
Thanks.
A very powerful CPU and GPU. I have a 8700k @5.0 and a 1080ti and I’m getting between 50-60fps depending on the aircraft
Jeff Baird Thanks dude.
Good analysis. I enoyed it 👍
You're welcome!
No matter how good the zibo mod is, it is still a freeware aircraft (a damn good one true). Why compare PMDG that has been at it for so long with a freeware aircraft? Great video nonetheless, but since you are new to X plane you may want to try some other payware more in depth planes.
Thanks! I know, that's why I also mention multiple times that Zibo is freeware. I'll probably compare it to IXEG at some point :)
tell please your headphones with microphone
With those weather conditions, I doubt the QNH setting should be 29.92inHg.
Great video demonstrating the difference between the two! Made me more interested to start considering Xplane :)
The Zibo 737 looks great however I hope more real life pilots can lend a hand to the development of its flight dynamics. Looking video, it seems like that 737 is stripped of a yaw damper, oscillating around in the air hahaha.
Thanks. Yeah I forgot to set the QNH properly in X-Plane 11, but I did set it at 996 hPa, which would have been more realistic for those weather conditions :).
Yeah you're right about the yaw damper. The yaw damper indication on the main panel is also missing. Kind of feels like flying an Embraer 135 on final approach :D
The newer serial numbers on the 737NG do not have a yaw damper indicator - it has been deleted.
Really though, you are to used to FSX. real pilots prefer XPlane for a reason.... Spend some more time with XPlane and you will begin to appreciate the difference. And really, PMDG is a great product, but the modeling of weather in FSX is just too darn babied down. If you had a real cross wind with gusts (and especially the 30 knot windshear that you set in Xplane, you would know that this is no cake walk. In real life I would not have attempted to land in such conditions - particularly on a wet runway that exceeds the crosswind limitations of the 737 for wet runways! That opinion comes from 34 years flying jets of all sizes uo to and including B747. Have an open heart and spend some time with it - you will come to not appreciate XPlane but begin to Love it :)
One thing that annoys me about the zibo is the touchdowns, there is no motion inside it and just a bit of a sound! Pmdg definitely!
Which is more realistic?
So, X Plane is bit Exaggerated. Waiting for IXEG vs PMDG
+1
As you say wind conditions are exaggerated in the Zibo mod but let's not forget it's a mod and a free one at that compare that with 140 dollar PMDG payware aircraft well you can't really compare them really ✌️,as far as the rain effects PMDG are so kindly giving the community you forgot to mention I believe it won't be a free addon to any1 with the 737 more money people's 😂nice vid tho and well done on both landings sir.
I know, that's why I mention many times in the video that Zibo is freeware, but I'll probably compare PMDG with IXEG at some point to get a fair comparison :)
I know you did man and that is fair maybe when it's finished you could compare them but as the XP community says the Zibo mod will never be done lol but we will see it is a mod of passion for the guy so we will see I suppose,and it is as you said b4 a fantastic mod and worth having in XP
The Zibo mod is not at fault. Your wind shear settings (of 30) in XP11 is (see comment further up).
You have WAY over adjusted the settings in X-plane. The settings in X-plane go FAR beyond P3D. So you can't match them up unless you go to an airport that has bad conditions that day and then makes the weather match the real world weather conditions on both sims and then try flying the aircraft. It's probably the only way to get a good 100% comparison. Also to get onto the X-Plane forums and get the 'Simulation Settings' for weather conditions. Just my opinion.
Nice flying, but you still have the same problem with the input. Plane movement was indeed exagerated on the first try with X Plane 11. No matter the weather conditions, the inputs on the short finals are always very small inputs. That kind of airplane has sufficient momentum and inertia vectors to be able to keep a relatively linear direction once it's established. You have to understand that a plane is not moving trough the air like a car, I mean when you steer, a car will turn without dragging, in normal driving condition (optimal speed).
A plane will turn the tail in opposite direction than the one desired, therefor moving the nose to where you want it to go, but the most important thing is that the ariplane is always gonna turn in car dragg style, it's always gonna slide, it's physics.
That is the reason why the final approach inputs need to stay as minimum as possible, except very violent winds.
So it will be more realistic for you to try to guide the ariplane in that way, without those bounces.
Thanks! Yes I still need to tweak that. I'm installing the IXEG 737 soon so I will probably first try some settings for that one.
No autobrakes?
Shame you was using Spanish Military Restricted zone for your approach. Your flight plan showed the correct path.
So that's why they gave me a phone number to call...
*LOL* 09 rwy , as long as I remember you not allowed to enter private boats peer, at the time of not EU Brightish Airlines were penalized by Sp. controllers for crossing that red line. Now is EU maybe they changed approach router and it no more restricted for visual.
It is NOT the flight model, it's that particular plane... also you got used to fly in Prepar3D which is kind of fakey
Hry if you put the auto brake at max u wouel land better
I can see max 480 resolution on my tablet now,.. not 720 or 1080
I can assure you it's full HD 1080p @ 60fps! :)
The Zibo just doesn't feel right in X-Plane, it feels like a Cessna 152. With the NGX, you can really feel like there is weight and momentum behind the flight physics.
I friend of mine flies a real 737, and have used the pmdg and the zibo and says the zibo in xplane is far more realistic and behaves almost exactly like the real plane.
The pmdg is more on rails in prepar3d. Which has to do with limitations of the sim. Xplane is much more realistic if it comes to flight dynamics.
so you have flown both a 737 and a 152?
Noooo, don't go around. Slam it down and jump on the brakes! it's the beauty of a simulator.
Besides, if I hear WIND SHEAR one more time I am going to throw this tablet across the room! ;)
That "Sensitive GPWS" is back. This time with numerous "WINDSHEAR" warnings. And that AOA indicator was fluctuating alot. If I tried this on X-Plane, I couldn't have landed it at all due to its sensitive flight controls. I got used to FSX's flight controls. Nice comparison.
Thanks!
You can‘t compare a Default X plane Plane to a PMDG aircraft you should have used the IXEG 737 wich is really realistic but it‘s expenisve too😬
You would NEVER land in windshear. Would be a default diversion
iam a commerical pilot aswell i fly a airbus A330 i have flown a 737 i think xplane is a bit more realistic
the zibo 737 reminds me of the ifly 737 in fsx
Auto Brake 2 or 3 Sir......
Regarding turbulence effects at Gibraltar: Check this Mentour video here: ruclips.net/video/3BkOgZPjZX4/видео.html ;)
Yes a really nice explanation :) Wonder to what degree the rock effect can actually be simulated
omg i thought i was justa dumb ass who cant manually land this 737x zibo properly without crashing even in good weather condition. Ive been searching for tutorials on how to correctly calibrate my xtreme 3d pro for this zibo add on. I am obviously not a real life pilot and also not a flight sim expert but i so convinced that there is something wrong with the flight model of 737 zibo mod.
Watching both landings I see an almost clear sky in P3D and a rainy environment (as it should be) in xp11! ! The weather engine in P3D is terrible compared to the one in x-plane!
Maybe that's is the reason why the Zibo behaviour is so different in comparison with PMDG!
Anyway, PMDG is pay ware and Zibo totaly free and still updated every month a few times! and still better ( own both sims and planes)
By the way, why you don't set your autobrakes to max, in such a short runway?
You have to try the ixeg . its the best!!!!
I will! :)
Tried X-plane (ixeg737, rotadeMD80, DF heli's etc) the controls are waaaay to twitchy so I'm not going to buy anything for x-plane anymore! Staying with FSX & DCS.
Go to DCS & learn about how RL FMs & controls sett-ups should be!
I bet you can tune those controls ;)
You can "tune" them, but it's working like crap in x-plane! At least with a joystick. So no you really can't tune them.
good everning mate
Howdy!
First landing was outside the touchdown zone
6:45
AviationPro what do you mean by that?
The Turbulence effects in X plane 11 are absurdly exaggerated even if you select a tiny amount of slider for that "feature". As for "flight models" you are mainly testing the autopilots which over-ride the manual flight model. Also the larger the aircraft, in both sims, the more a fllght model can get away with murder because of the much larger inertia. The real test of flight modelling is in much smaller aircraft. Neither sim out of the box is any good in this regard, but if anything X plane is even worse than Prepar/FSX. The ground handling is also an embarrassment. It's amazing how some people get taken in by claims of "superior" flight modelling. On balance X plane has a terrible core flight model: Bouncy, unstable pitch control, way too excessive cross wind influence on fuselages, very poorly done wind and weather effects, no side slipping and impossible to spin. Both have flaws and really it is up to addon makers to tweak them and improve them.
Well ! P3D is like Minecraft and X-Plane is realism ,are you looking for easiness or realism? I guess real life pilot would avoid these situations at all cost or go CAT II , III if available ,FSX and P3D are too minecrafted type of sim .
Zibo is still in development though so could be fixed. I think XP 11 looks way better too :)
Get the RG MOD for Zibo you will love it!
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Are you dutch?
Perhaps
@@AviationPro i noticed in your English accent
Thank you for that video. Inspired, I made the same flight in an Airbus: ruclips.net/video/d6jodzbGefs/видео.html. I think I got the same settings. The wind shear by X° changes the wind +/- X° all the time. This is a bit exaggerated in X Plane 11, I think. You should limit this to 5°.
You're welcome!
You cant compare pmdg great payware with stock 737 of the xplane. Its totally unfair, if you wana a real comparation, compare pmdg on p3d and ixeg 737 300 or flight factor b757 on xplane. Then you will see the diference of them. Good luck on xplane and if you have any question on xplane be my guest or wath frooglesim channel and his friend thomas rasmesum. You will fall in love with xplane soon. So start to check and buy the addons and plugins. Also you can do flights online. Im prety sure about ivao but do not have any idea about vatsim.
I know, that's why I mention a lot of times that Zibo is freeware and PMDG is not. I will try the IXEG soon to compare as well :)
I wouldn't exactly consider the Zibo a "stock 737" though it is based on the stock model...and is expanded considerably from there.
pmdg is realistic. zibo is a video game.
Opposite
I think you need to start getting some more sleep man, your eyes are showing a severe lack of snoozing :P
I usually get enough sleep, that's my default look I'm afraid.
Haha im sorry, you just look so tired, and i've been watching you for many many years. Hard to believe how much we change
Sorry but the Zibo looks like a toy compared to the PMDG. Saying that, the Zibo mod is also free. I wonder if the x-plane users are trying to convince themselves or others that x-plane is supposedly better as i never see comments on x-plane streams how p3d is 'better'. I still use fsx and will jump to p3d when the out of memory errors affect me, would have given x-plane a try but i get a toxic kinda vibe from the x-plane community, it's like you have to say x-plane is the best (even tho both sims look amazing and have their merits) or else. Anyway, enjoy your videos, keep up the good work :)
I agree that P3D is much more realistic.
Xplane 12 is
For me x plane 11 because its cheap and the zibo 737 is free duhhh