X-Plane 11 | The ILS Approach 737-800 ZIBO
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Today we go over how to fly an ILS approach in the 737-800 Zibo Mod. It's not a hard thing to do and has very little difference than an RNV approach. See my other videos for a more in-depth look into the FMC and Autopilot.
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Man, once again your videos never disappoint. Fist successful ILS landing for myself happened tonight, from KMCO to KPNS
I flew 3 ILS approaches, 2 in the 737-800 zibo mod and the 3rd in the Laminar 737-800. In the Zibo mod version, the ILS course must be set to the ILS course in the course selector , or the auto pilot does not follow the ILS. The auto pilot in the Laminar 737 does not require the course to be set to the ILS course. It flies the coupled approach fine. Same with the G1000 (E1000) equipped XPlanes. BTW, in all the general aviation planes I have flown, including my Garmin 430 with a 2 axis autopilot experimental plane , the ILS course did not have to be set, but was normal SOP. Don't know about airline aircraft; but would think it is SOP to set the ILS course in the Course selector, if not just for a reminder.
Great minimums explanation, I was looking for info on the whole concept and I think I got it from this video.
Really appreciate your in-depth step by step here!
Cheers for creating and sharing Micah.. As a rule of thumb everything is easy when you already know what your doing.
Thanks - wish I could see the panel clearer or the nav map better... was hard to see any numbers...
Thanks very much - extremely informative. I have learnt a great deal.
what a terrific video! solved a lot of unknowns for me. thanks.
Loved that landing man. I'm glad that RUclips recommended me your video. Keep up the good work man!
thank you so much i know how to do it on the a319 but this makes it so much easier
Very smooth Micah, I just wonder with the auto-throttle engaged and no snags/problems, where are the manual thrust levers set at during a normal ILS approach? Looking at your screen you are flying the Zibo Mod the same as mine and little blue dots are displayed to show the actual thrust lever setting. So what postion should the blue dot/thrust lever be at during the ILS approach please?
I usually manually set the levers to match what the autothrottle sets. When I disengage, I adjust as necessary for speed.
Hi Micah, I flew the Zibo 737 many times, everything works perfectly until I get to the approach phase, where the pink diamonds and white empty dots on the PFD do not appear until I hit the VOR LOC button, and still not getting aligned on the glidescope. I get the correct ILS approach acronym IIAD on my PFD, but my plane still doesn't want to align on the glidescope. Any thoughts? Thanx earlier
Did you set the ILS frequency in the NAV radio on the center console?
I'm noticing on many of my ILS approaches, that my PFD is not displaying the white ILS frequency information. I know I have the correct ILS frequency dialed into the nav radio and the CRS knob correctly set. But for some reason, it doesn't display on the PFD.... any insight?
Did you press the "APP" button? It usually only shows up after it. If you don't press, it says LNAV/VNAV instead
Hi, I just picked up xflight 11 and put the zibo mod in. 2 questions how did you disconnect the autothrottle when you were flaring, and do you not need to put in the ils course?
My switching the A/T off on the MCP. For ILS, you have to put in the frequency in the radio nav panel.
Hi! So I’ve been trying a lot of tutorials but none of em seem to work…. I saw you were responding to comments and was wondering if you could help. I do everything as instructed, but for some reason the plane keeps just randomly turning. I have the course right, the nav tuned, and everything but it’s not working. I honestly have no clue why.
What approach are you shooting and what does your FMS look like? If you can, join my discord and I can help more.
Thanks for this tutorial Micah.... Just a quick question....Under the approach ref page I noticed the flap/speed is left blank _ _/_ _ _ .At what point or under what circumstances would you fill this in??? Thanks....
You'd do this before the approach. Generally, your weight and balance would be calculated based on a lot of factors to get your flaps and speed. You also have to take into account thr weather. However, in general, the Zibo FMC automatically calculates this fairly well. Select the 40° flap option for most landings. Select 30° during heavy crosswinds.
@@MicahMesser Thanks for the quick response Micah.... I will take your advice... No other video I watched showed the use of the vref set... It also appears when you use it the A/T automatically shuts off when the wheels touchdown on the runway... Thanks again...
I was on an airplane the other day and during mid air, the pilot extended the spoilers. Why is that? Was he overspeeeding? This was like 30 min prior to touchdown. Also, when should pilots let the gear down? I've heard something about final approach or? Finally, level change. Could you explain LVL Chg?
They use spoilers to slow down, yes. Airbus are known for it and are basically required. Pilots usually lower landing gear once they have been cleared to land, within 10NM, and have gotten to the appropriate speeds.
Level change basically tells the aircraft to change altitude to the selected altitude on the MCP while disregarding vertical speed. In a climb, the thrust goes to max climb thrust while descending goes to idle thrust.
May sound like a dumb question I apologize but I thought that with ILS auto pilot will land the plan but it looked like you took control once you got right before the runway. Am I wrong or?
He did an ils approach. There is also ils autoland
quick question. Why are you at FL270 with flaps 1 on mach .58 when you haven't even reached the T/D?
So I guess my question is, Is there anyway to do this without using ATC? I'm just trying to autoland I really don't want to have to go back and forth with radios and stuff. The barometric thing, is that necessary? I didn't even see what changed when you moved it. My plane isn't catching the glideslope and descending like it should. I have everything tuned(except the baro)and APP activated and I see the magenta diamonds and I just go straight passed the runway. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
make sure youre at the correct altitude
So basically when we see that pink diamond for glidescope. Only then we have to switch on 'APP' right?
Ruzkin Wender nope. As far as i know, you push “APP” (called arming the approach) when you’re cleared by ATC to fly that approach ( [callsign], descend & maintain xxxx ft, altimeters xxxx, cleared ILS rwy xx, report fully established). On your pfd, glideslope & localizer pop up in white (armed). Generally, if the glideslope comes alive (full magenta diamond), and ATC hasn’t cleared you for the approach (so you haven’t pushed APP), call atc immediately otherwise you’ll go way over your g/s, and be forced to go missed. Hope this helps ya :)
When tuning the radio, nav course is 000. At 8:00 video there is a cut an nav course is like ils chart 124.
This is an important change isnt it? The 737 needs the ils course set correctly?
Yes, you must set the course.
clear and educative video. Thanks !!!
I have this weird issue on the standard 737-800 when flying from CYOW to CYUL in Canada. About 8nm out from the runway I intercept the localizer successfully, but when I click APP as the glideslope gets intercepted the ALT HLD stays on and I fly over the runway. MY speed is 165 KIAS for almost all of the approach and I have no idea why I can't pick up the g/s. Any ideas?
It captures the g/s? Like turns from armed and active?
You have to turn off the Alt Hold. Hit that button. On the zibo mod theFMC does that automatically. BUT the glide slope must be captured from below. Or it will merrily fly right over the airport too high to land. This is also true in actual aircarft. Not sure about the big jets but my single engine plane with a Garmin 430 was like that. Also you must be within a certain horizontal distance from the center line of the localizer before hitting the Vor/Loc button. Don’t remmber the distance, but on the zibo version when the diamond on thr localizer indicator goes solid magenta then hit the loc button. Then if the glide slope diamond is solid hit the APP approach mode button.
I know this is older video, but what would cause the ILS glide slope to not be established after activating APP? I always get the heading, but even when the glideslope diamond is alive it doesn't descend.
Two questions: 1. how to set your management control panel when you miss an approach and have to go to the hold?
2. how to exit the hold and attempt to go back to try again to land?
This is on the B 737-800 Xplane 11. Thanks!
When you setup your approach it automatically has it in it. When you hit TOGA it automatically selects it. Autopilot will fly the go around and hold. Watch my Hold Tutorial on how to exit a hold.
Im having an issue with the Zibo 737, every time I arm the app on autopilot, it just immediatly banks left (when I was perfectly aligned and at the intecept point). Downwind ILS' is turned off in xplane. cant explain it. ILS freq tuned and I have glide slope and fully shows on the PFD
What's your speed and flaps at? At any point during the flight have you overspeed? Do you have the course set correctly on the MCP?
@@MicahMesser I watched your other video, I think part of the problem was the course select, I still had issues at KLAS but it worked at PHNL. Also for some reason the course it wants is always 1 degree off from the navigraph chart even though my ACARS is fully updated. Thanks for your help!
Maybe a stupid question, but why was the aircraft descending when you hadn't pressed "LVL CHG"
LVL CHG isn't a required setting. You can use V/S, VNAV, or even pitch hold
Im a beginner. When i have auto pilot airplane went down not up what i mean is it losed altitude even tho the speed is ok. Also do i have to use ils everytime i land. I like it more manually and control how i want.
I replied to the other one :)
hey man i just had a question. Whenever i set in my ILS frequency it never locks on to the frequency in the display. Could u help with that
What do you mean "locks onto the frequency" do you mean it doesn't capture the localizer and/or the glideslope?
@@MicahMesser yes exactly that
@@Vulk42 did you put in the Localizer course in the MCP?
@@MicahMesser yes i did everything from putting in the ILS frequency and Course to setting up landing performance and stuff and still the problem occurs
Great explanation mate, thanks
You are welcome!
Hi . You have pluggins or addons to can see the edifications around the airport?
Hey Micah' you kinda glanced over the whole missed approach process. Please do a tutorial on that. Specifically doing a missed approach and VOR approach. I've had many mishaps where my ILS didn't work out and had to do a missed approach.
That is on my list actually. Was thinking about that yesterday.
Great vid. One question though... Do I have to be flying into the actual direction of the ILS signal to connect with it? OR can I fly perpendicular to the run way, still intercept the ILS and then the plane maneuver its way to line up with the runway? I'm still a bit confused
As long as you are within the 179° of the ILS course
@@MicahMesser Thanks for your quick response. I'll try the approach again.
Hey Micah, Loved this video.. I fly the Zebo 737/800 Ultimate and whenever I fly an ILS approach, As I grab the ILS beam, the aircraft veers off at 90 degrees and misses the G/S completely. The only way I can get it to land is to land manually.. I live in Australia, East Coast so I fly Sydney - Brisbane - Rockhampton - Townsville - Cairns, then back Mackay - Brisbane. Brisbane has ILS, so does Townsville and Cairns but no matter what I do, It always seems to veer off after the ILS lock and I line up the Lower diamond then push "APP".. Any Idea's Please..
Have you set the course to the correct number?
@@MicahMesser Yep, I tried a flight to Cairns. On the map AND in the avitab, it shows Cairns having 2 ILS runways BUT when the markers show up on the pilot du it only reads as VOR/DME and the ILS will not lock. Then I tried ILS into Townsville, Same thing happened, veers off and does not lock onto ILS. I checked both the original files in X-Plane and the files stored in AviTab and they are both the same.. I also checked using the data files from Australian Air Services and CASA ( the Australian Air safety people - Same as the NTSB ) and they dont work either. I just dont get it...
@@Ghosthuntert1 something isn't correct. It works everytime for me. Maybe try updating Zibo. Are you coming under or overtop the glideslope?
@@MicahMesser I alway try and line up for the G/S at 2000 alt and 140 IAS 8NM from the field.. It works fine at Brisbane RW19 and veers off when I try RW 01. I did notice that the ILS frequency from Avitab and the frequency given by the X-Plane map is different but i have tried both and still no joy... I am going to remove X-Plane and then reinstall from scratch in case its a issue with DLC Then update X-Plane, then Zibo Aircraft and install any other updates..
@@MicahMesser Hey Micah, I removed X Plane from my system, made sure NON of the updates or DLC I had installed were left behind ( not an easy job ) , reinstalled X Plane, then updated it and then installed the DLC again one at a time and checked out the ILS setting. Everything is working except Autogate but I can look at that later. Avitab, World Traffic, terrain radar and all my maps and airport info packs are back and the ILS is now working !!! I will be very careful what DLC I install from now on. Thank you for your help and patience..
can I ask, where do you get the ILS charts?
I use Navigraph. However, you can get them free from skyvector.
You have to link your avitab in the B737 to your navigraph account. Navigraph does require a subscription fee. But it's really a small fee.
How did you get that information on the tablet? Like the picture of the ILS for KMIA
Charts from the internet. Google [Airport] ILS chart
Configuring at 8nm DME like you did is a certain way to get bored, and annoy the aircraft behind you (if you’re on vatsim or smth). Great video for the basics of ils tho :)
Absolutely. Generally you'll maintain normal speed until the final approach fix, then you will slow down to around 210 knots. Only dropping gear at about 5 DME then flaps to full at 3.5 DME.
hello, for me the pink diamonds never appear on my pfd but the plane still follows the localizer and gs correctly. Can anybody help me how to turn on the ils display?
one question, where do you get your charts from?
Skyvector or Navigraph
how do you get those charts into the tablet?
hi maybe you can help me, i flew in real life from tocumen panama to carrasco uruguay, mpto sumu....plane was 737800, i logged into simbrief and fuelplanner.com, and dispatch said flight exceds range....fuel capacity of plane is lower than dispacth page suggest,,,,any idea how this flight was possible,,,,i have no idea, 7 h15 for a 737 is a lot,....
Maximum range is 5,436kms, for the 737-800. Those two airports are 100kms within range of each other with that aircraft. That of course is with an empty cargo, no passengers, straight flight and maximum fuel. Are you sure it was a 737-800 and not a 737-600 or 757?
@@MicahMesser 100% it had the 2 wingtip type one up and the other diagonally down...flown by copa....i was stunnes a 737 made it...maybe they play with winds i really dont get it. chech flightaware to veryfy. but im shure it wss 737
@@falopio67 flight number?
cm 368 copa airlines@@MicahMesser
@@falopio67 it is a 737-800, they fly it high and very fast - faster than most. They also fly a direct route. It's a stretch but it works. No reserve fuel, that's for sure.
when i press the approach button after capturing the localizer and glide slope my plane starts flying away from the course and it does not descent. Does anyone know why this happens?
Did you set the course on the MCP?
@@MicahMesser thank you so much
Cannot see anything you set..?? How are you descnding to 2000 when not set?
thanks alot man your tutorials are great
Can you give us your flight plan for this flight in order to repeat it in our PCs ?
How do I know when to begin descent
Hey, for some reason on approach, the plane starts to roll really hard to the left for no reason. I think it may have something to do with the flaps but not sure. Any help
I would check to make sure your flaps are out correctly and also make sure your yaw dampener is on
Micah Messer Will do. Next time I have a flight on the 737-800, I’ll give you results.
Hi was this solved? This happened to me recently on the zibo
@@vasantramnarine2507 flaps break if you are overspending with them out. This causes the wing surfaces to be uneven, which Xp11 usually simulates as a right or left bank. Be sure you are going under or at the max flap speed (found near the landing gear lever), and you shouldn't have this problem.
wonderful tutorial. Thanks
Yeah I have 2 questions
When I put the ILS my plane don t follow the localizer and go on the left and right.
And my second question is how do you have the call approaching minimums and minimum.
Thanks to answer me
1. Have you activated APP mode?
2. You have to set the minimums via the barometric or radio minimum dial. It sits near the barometric pressure reference dial. Select baro and put in the correct altitude according to charts.
@@MicahMesser thks I find for minimums but Ils when I put approch the purple Line go on the left then my plane turn and ILS fail
@@rom1463 have you matched your course with the course of the approach plate?
@@MicahMesser what does it mean? It is the frequens
@@rom1463 no. You have to dial your course on the MCP to match that of the ILS approach course.
Good video, but i have a question. I dont understand how to manual brake. (Im not playing xplane 11) But i want to know how people do it. Thanks :)
Toe brakes. :) The rudder pedals also move like see-saws and when pressed forward with the toes it brakes the aircraft.
Oh, Thanks for the explaining :)
Good job. Thanks.
I’m new to X plane. How do you bring up the approach plates like that idk how.
Download the plugin AVITAB, and before your flight you can use sky vector to download the proper charts and diagrams.
DENflyer right on thanks man. I also want to get head phones and practice with people doing ATC. I’m in instrument training rn and doing the aim helps.
DENflyer I downloaded pilot edge and did my first flight with live ATC I’m still messing with the avitab downloading the PDFs for each airport but it’s pretty cool.
David Suchite Congrats! I’ve been using x plane 11 for about 4 years now, and I’m just starting on VATSIM.
DENflyer ya I just joined pilot edge and it’s awesome with live ATC. Honestly I just use my phone with flight plan pro for all the approach plates and airport diagrams. It’s definitely helping me in my instrument training.
with AT on?
How did you get that Ipad.
Mixyth You need to download the Zibo mod
Where can i get ILS charts?
In the U.S. you can get them from SkyVector.com outside of the U.S. I do not know.
do i need to get navlog for this
navigraph is easier, but you can just google the charts for your airport. Like "egll charts" and you will find a chart.
Great job, tks
Thank you!
Was very hard to determine what is changing when you press buttons and turn knobs I couldn't understand what does what cause I cant see what's going in on in the aircraft systems. Please make another better video clearly showing what you doing maybe you could zoom into what you doing
How can downloading please?
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RHz4PQqWNGGpVG9GaHr84kuGs8LM2xyK
At least u could have made the audience see that even if had four eyes
Is max the same
In principle.
Couple of things, u didn't set the course and didnt adjust the landing speed for wind
this was good but not very friendly to the people who don't have navigraph. Like my self, I can't access some of the information you did.
google the charts: for example "eglc charts" for london city
I have watched 20 tutorials on ILS approach and every tutorial says different things... -_-
I'm really fucking tired from this...
Some say that you need VOR LOC, in some tutorials the diamonds appear by itself... I don't knoe what to fucking do anymore... I never got a fucking ILS landing EVER and I have tried 50 times...
My plane starts banking to the right when i’m established
i notice that zibo has been suspended
It has been transferred to Threshold who is making a revised version.
@@MicahMesser would it be as difficult as the first version cause i was having problems installing
Thanks for this video. My problem is that my landings are always to hard :(
If you are a beginner its completely normal to havr hard landings with airliners. The secret is a good approach angle and before you touchdown (GWPS is really helpful) you slightly pinch the nose upwards so the plane touches down with the rear gears.
(Ground Proximity Wanring System is the system that goes like 50 40 30 20 10)
just keep practice it will help
Just keep practicing and you'll be buttering landing in no time.
Thank you for the information on your video. However there are some inaccuracies that I noticed. I recommend you checkout these publications. FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook, Pilot's Handbook to Aeronautical knowledge, Advanced Avionics Handbook and Airplane Flying Handbook. I am an ATP Pilot and an Instructor, so having the correct information to educate other pilots with is always the best course.Wishing you and your subscribers Clear Skies and Strong Tailwinds
Not a pilot, yet, so as always I expect I will mess things up! Especially with a video that is this old. I have learned so much since then!
These publications have lots of valuable information in them for all Simmers / Pilots to know so they can become better. If you have an AOPA membership or Foreflight you have access to them for free or you can go to the FAA website and find them under there publications menu. As Pilots / Simmer we all strive to become better at this (very information heavy) profession or hobby. Thanks again for the video, I learned a lot from it.
good vid but LOC is pronounced Loke, not lock
Correct!
no butter
Maybe you should prepare before talking. Also you show a map that is impossible to see even on a big screen. Most people who upload tutorials (upload = make available on RUclips) have no idea how to teach a topic. But thanks anyway.
Hi . You have pluggins or addons to can see the edifications around the airport?