Good day. I’m a retired guy who has only been dabbling in the 3d print world for a year or so. As such, I peruse channels for good information and aid with issues. I happened upon your channel and I must say “Bravo!”. Your uploads are concise, informative, and well written. You as a presenter are polite and professional…a welcome change to many other “serious” channels. My hat’s off to you young lady, you’re doing a fantastic job. Keep up the good work!
Great review. I just bought one of these kits to try out a few weeks ago. As for the patent... The only things that are actually covered in a patent are what is listed in the Claims section... All the text before them is just describing the problem and solutions... But actually isn't enforceable... In fact, if they are not claimed but we're actually new inventions, then they become public domain as soon as the patent application publishes. When I first invented the tilted conveyor belt printer, my exclusive goal was to get by their patent. A careful reading of their claims revealed the requirement that there be an X, Y and Z axis that were perpendicular to each other. That was their weakness that I went after after realizing that I could print with with an oblique axis. I immediately used my Makerbot Replicator and converted it into a belt printer just as a sort of joke, but also to prove it would also work. That's really what started everyone making them after I showed it off at a few shows.
@@SaltGrains_Fready, maybe, but the belt, rollers, and steel frame are all extremely niche items, especially for add-ons to a hobby that is already about as niche as they come -- not that I think that's fair, but I don't see the cost dropping without some other innovation mixing things up.
That patent is strange! I do not think that stuff falling of a conveyor belt is *new* enough to be patentable as a feature. I would not bother about that too far. But legend said they did manage to patent the wheel as well!
Things like that patent are holding back the development of this industry. One of the best things about 3d printing is the culture of open sourcing everything
Pheeeewww!! These two kids sure are way too smart! :D They should be paid by 3D printer brands to make Q&A, find flaws and improve products! Super interesting review, as always : ) Thank you for your very nicely done work!
Incredible. Thank you , This is one of the best technical videos I have seen in a very long time. I have now subscribed to your channel simply because this video is so instructive, informative, concise and is delivered perfectly and is backed up with information that I can view myself outside of the video. That is a huge plus factor in my book. I am an engineer myself and have just medically retired for mobility reasons but my mind is still as sharp as ever, it is just my knees will not cooperate with with my mind. I did not want to go down the teaching route for the mobility reasons but I still want to be able to pursue a retirement where I can be keep myself occupied. I have been playing with 3d printers and C02 lasers over the last 5 years with a view to taking this up as more than a hobby and to find your channel is a breath of fresh air in a world that is plagued with many youtubers presenting reviews and technical help, there are only a handful that actually really provide anything more than just a "thank you for sending me a free printer" . It's very refreshing to watch you work, where did you train? I'm really interested. I have just moved you to the top of my list of subscribed channels and am now very keen to peruse much more of your content. What you are providing to the community is excellent well detailed information packed with technical illustrations both vocal and viewable delivered in a way that can be understood by anyone. Thank you very much for your hard work. You are an asset to Engineering. Its clearly in your blood as in my family.
I'm not sure how you obtained such skills, knowledge and experience but you are a legend and I am so glad I stumbled upon your channel. I am shopping for a 3d printer for some of my designs so your advice will surely come in handy 🙂👍
Belt Edition cura for Cr30 has built in the option for multiple copies of the same print. You can select the angle of printing so it is not cr30 only, give it a try.
there is another option for continuous print. octoprint can be installed on a computer so instead of using a pi yo can use your computer just as you would with it being tethered. just remember to do updates and turn them off before printing. also you can still get a pi3/2 for a decent price and will work perfectly with this.
As always the quality of the information and reviews on this channel are absolutely stellar. Thank you so much for putting what has to be an astonishing amount of work into this.
Tip for One at a Time print Sequence in Cura that i just learned and has made my life way easier: Cura will print the most recently inserted file first. So you could just enter the models in backwards order and it will print in your desired way. But even better is just throw all the models in there and arrange them as you want. Then go to the model that you want to print last. Delete it, and then immediately hit undo. Move to the second to last model. Repeat until you get to the first model you want printed, delete it, undo, and BAM theyre now printing in the order you designated without you having to move the models around or worry about placement order. Whenever you make or unmake a group, it acts as the model being imported so that will mess with your order aswell!
Thank you for the shout out! I hope you enjoy the kits. I still have to do a build video for this one, I just have not had the time and does not look like I will prior to MRRF as I am preparing stuff for 2 different manufacturers trying to get everything ready for the show. I will have a 90° and at least 2 45° units at MRRF.
I just picked up an ideaformer, i had the bed set to 70c to compensate for the belt temp, but when i used a temp gun the belt surface temp was only 59C. It might be worth checking your belt surface temp and offsetting your target temp to get the belt to the 65c range and try the benchy again. On my machine comping it up to 65C greatly helped. This kit really peaks my interest, as I have a project currently consisting of 70 parts with multiples each where queuing them up would be amazing.
I just got an ideaformer as well and having issues with bed adhesion when printing PETG. Do you have any suggestions what temp should I be using or what to adjust?
@@LoveandKindness_Z glue stick and more bed temp. Honestly, I have the issue with pla and petg sticking too well seemingly no matter what i do. to the point it just stalls the Z axis motor. kinda annoying
Be sure to eat, sleep and drink water young one. I checked this review with my calipers and it's flawless. Well answers my question, was hoping to automate part detachment. Looks a bit tricky to setup anyway, hope your production crew lets you sleep 😹. Danke. ✌
your review made me seriously consider picking one of these up. i think a 300mm scale up for the CR10 would be a dream come true. thank you for always looking at products for whatever strengths/weaknesses they have equally. going to try some M808 remixes on my vase printer
Please don't take this the wrong way, and I have ZERO intent to offend the presenter and anyone reading this question, sincerely. How old is the presenter? I say that because there's an amazing amount of knowledge presented, and done so professionally that it's jarring to be listening to all this, look up, and see someone that looks young...too young..? Makes me feel very dumb for my age 🤣. Truly great video, so thanks for the helpin hand people.
when CR-30 was in kickstarter phase there was a contribution level for just the belt loop, and this is exactly what I had in mind. You don't have to have raspberry pi, I use a PineH64 board
For Cura there is a simple workaround to print in the order you want. Goes like this: Place all models. Click on the model you want to print LAST. Then press und hold SHIFT. click the second last item. Continue with shift holded until you reach your first part. Then press CTRL+G to group them together and now you can immediately ungroup them with CTRL+SHIFT+G. Now it will print in the order you want. Works on Cura 4.x. Don't know if this "feature" will last on Cura 5.0 which is coming soon.
First off -- Awesome video, thanks for making this and keep up the good work you guys. I love that you explained the 90 vs 45 degree patent; honestly to me though, that sounds like an invalid patent (as prior work exists and patents are required to be "novel"). Second off some FYIs: 1.) When I click on your link for a refurbished Ender 3, it's now 199.99 (which is 10.00 more than a new Ender 3 on Amazon). 😅 2.) Also, if you find that your motors are running too hot, but you still need that torque, you can mount heat sinks to them. It's a thing. 3.) Instead of a Raspberry PI, look for old Used NUCs they're slightly bigger -- but they're way more powerful; for around 40.00 I scored a Pentium N3700 -- with 8 GB of RAM and 250 GB SSD (the CPU goes from 1.6 GHz to 2.4 GHz, with 4 total cores) -- and seriously the slightly larger footprint will still tuck away right under your printer.
You really do great reviews and are so informative, very smart young lady and keep up the good work, i've learned so much from you as a newb to 3d printing
Fantastic review! Very complete and balanced. It looks very well made and documented. I'm a bit surprised that you are able to print on the belt where the two ends of the belt are bonded together. I would have expected some unevenness there that would affect layer adhesion. Adding a skirt to the benchy should help with adhesion, since it's relatively tall in comparison with the size of the base. Did you mention anything about the bed heater? maybe the belt isn't making great thermal contact with the heating surface. It might be interesting to measure the temperature of the belt surface while printing, ideally with a thermal camera. Keep up the great work! Your reviews are getting better and better.
You guys are amazing! I feel like an idiot compared to you! Thanks for these informational videos! I really want this kind of setup now! Would be great for a business
I imagine they are using completely flat rollers that wont make the belt track. If you look into sanders and stuff like that the center of the rollers are usually proud of the rest of the surface which makes the belt stay in line. Very counter intuitive. Might have to get one of these kits and turn those rollers on my lathe to reshape them the correct way.
Very good review. I am particularly paying attention to your print adhesion issues. On my printer I have the four leveling knobs and have used my thermal camera to look at the bed temperature. The area on the bed above the knobs is quite significantly cooler then the center. Nominally if the bed is set to 70 degrees, the area above the knobs (maybe 2 inch diameter circle) is about 50 degrees or about 20 degrees cooler. This has led to several failed prints when the edge or corner of a part is above a leveling knob. Noting that you have several printers from different manufacturers with leveling knobs, have you ever checked the temperature above the knobs. I wonder if this is a general problem, or only an issue with my printer. Thanks again for your excellent videos.
*First of all, the conveyor belt for 3D printers can not be patented due to prior art. Lots of people made a conveyor belt 3D printer long before Makerbot filed for a silly, not valid patent. If anyone challenges MakerBot in court and shows some prior art RUclips videos, MakerBot's patent will be invalidated. The PTO churn out patents without really doing their homework since they don't have enough staff members. So the PTO cuts a lot of corners in order to try to get out patents, whether they're valid or not, as quick as possible.* *FYI, the majority of patents that get challenges in court are tossed out, due to prior art of some kind.* *I suspect this MakerBot patent would also get tossed.*
Its a nice kit, but considering how much tweaking you had to do to get it working, it doesn't really seem worth the 300 bucks. At minimum, it should really include at least the parts needed to print out of the box. Seems like they need to refine their design a bit more.
I am a new fan from Switzerland. I am petitioning for a new post on the same subject but with an affordable IDEX 3D printer like the Sovol SV04. I wonder if it is difficult to combine the software for 90° continuous printing with independent dual extruders. I am pretty sure it will be a very productive and convenient unit for less than a thousand dollars. With my best regards
10:08 that's not a bug, that's a safety measure, In machine settings instead of changing the "Z(height)" change the "Gantry Height" it's just a little bit to the right, Gantry Height defines the clearance from the bed to the gantry to avoid hitting already printed models on common machine. I think the real bug it's that you can skip the safety check by changing the Z height.
I am looking to see if you did a review of the 45 degree version. to compare. The 45 degree version in theory might stick better because you are not really trying to print to the "Sky" and hope the base stays planted on the build plate. But you do have to get the Nozzle really dialed in as close to the belt as possible because the extruder is at a 45 degree angle. I am starting to think if I keep my standard printer I am going to get the 45 degree up grade kit in stead of the 90 degree kit and new/used ender 3.
you do realize octoprint works on anything that can run Linux and/or android. Something like the libre computer tritium is 45 USD, and it used to go for 40 on amazon. My advice would be to look at Explaining Computer's SBC videos, as he's done a lot of SBC videos. Note that some like the Odroid XU4 are higher than they used to be, but I'm not sure if the price is correct when adjusted for inflation.
actually is there any way I can give you guys a video suggestion, there's a project I've been using on my printer that you might find intriguing. It lets you color prints with sharpies as if it's a multi-color printer. Kinda want to see how it'll work with this
I was up an running with octoprint on an old android phone from the junk drawer in about 20 min. Bonus: huge built in touch screen to access the interface.
Claims section from patent US8668859B2 What is claimed is: 1. An apparatus comprising: a build platform including a surface that is rigid and substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas; an extruder including a chamber to receive a build material and an extrusion tip that extrudes the build material at a controlled volumetric rate; a x-y-z positioning assembly adapted to three-dimensionally position the extrusion tip within the working volume; a controller electrically coupled to each of the build platform, the extruder, and the x-y-z positioning assembly, the controller operable to control the build platform, the extruder, and the x-y-z positioning assembly to fabricate an object in three-dimensions from the build material; and a plurality of heating elements disposed within the build platform, each one of the plurality of heating elements associated with a corresponding one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform, each one of the plurality of heating elements coupled in a communicating relationship with the controller, wherein the controller is configured to independently control each one of the plurality of heating elements to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform. 2. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein at least one of the plurality of heating elements includes a resistive element to convert electrical current into heat. 3. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein at least one of the plurality of heating elements includes a Peltier effect device. 4. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one cooling element coupled to the controller and configured to provide active cooling to an area of the build platform. 5. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements includes at least one gas heating device. 6. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one stream of heated gas directed toward the build platform and controllable to heat the build platform. 7. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one stream of cooled gas directed toward the build platform and controllable to cool the build platform. 8. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one sensor to detect a temperature of the build platform. 9. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one radiant heater configured to heat the working volume during a build. 10. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one radiant heater configured to maintain the object at a fixed, elevated temperature during a build. 11. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements provide independent control over cooling the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform. 12. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising a conveyor to controllably move the object out of the working volume. 13. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements are controllable to heat at least one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform to at least about one hundred degrees Celsius. 14. A method comprising: providing a build platform having a surface that is substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas, the build platform passing through a working volume of a three-dimensional printer; independently controlling a plurality of heating elements for the build platform to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform; and fabricating an object on the build platform, wherein fabricating the object includes creating the object from a number of layers of a material, each one of the number of layers having a two-dimensional shape corresponding to a cross-section of the object. 15. The method of claim 14 further comprising actively cooling the build platform after fabricating the object. 16. The method of claim 14 further comprising moving the object out of the working volume with a conveyor after fabricating the object. 17. A computer program product for controlling a three-dimensional printer, the computer program product comprising computer executable code embodied in a non-transitory computer-readable medium that, when executing on one or more computing devices, performs the steps of: controlling a three-dimensional printer to fabricate an object on a build platform within a working volume of the three-dimensional printer, the build platform having a surface that is substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas, wherein fabricating the object includes creating the object from a number of layers of a material, each one of the number of layers having a two-dimensional shape corresponding to a cross-section of the object; and independently controlling a plurality of heating elements for the build platform to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform. 18. The computer program product of claim 17 further comprising code that performs the step of moving the object out of the working volume with a conveyor after completing a fabrication of the object.
Hey thanks for your awesome reviews, I know you have said you are not a fan of Printing Phone Cases but I need to print some TPU cases and am looking for a workhorse under 500 euros/600USD ... what should I put on my list. I'm kind of tempted to just get a Prusa but for TPU Cases there might be a better option.
I had read somewhere that 45 degree belt printers came about as 90 degreee belt printers were protected by patent, I wonder if the upgrade gets around this patent by not actually producing a printer? Edit: I think you guys should design a printer, I would be curious to see what you come up with, and would be happy to build it also, you guys are advanced well beyond your years!
According to the paper, it's not about the printing angle, it's about the process of fabricating multiple objects and automatically remove by the belt. But someone also said the inventor actually published the concept on the web before the patent is filed.
I bought five Ender 3 all with 8 bit board and they all print perfect. I get one with 32 bit board and it prints very poorly. Not sure about this new 32bit board. I installed updated marlin firmware to see if that would help. No change.
Thinking I have to buy another Ender 3 because this one 32 bit board print so poorly. Not very typical of Ender 3 which usually prints perfect out of the box.
What about using the Ender 3 Glass bed under the belt to take up the space ? Once it warms up it holds the heat very uniformly over the entire area due to it's large even mass.
A week ago I wrote a message to Aurora Tech about shipping to Europe, and still have no reply. Their Online Store doesn't seem real. I have doubts if by giving them money we will get what we want. I need this modification but am disappointed with the poor contact. I don't want to risk losing a lot of money.
In fact, a 45-degree printing angle is not great for batch printing, if I have to pick one. I would modify the IdeaFormer to 90-degree if I really have to do large batch printing, this DIY kit is OK, but the quality of the DIY base, roller as well as the belt is not as solid as those from IdeaFormer, of course, it's not fair to compare a $350(kit+printer) with a $600+ printer.
Good review. It dose make you wonder, is the ender3 exceedingly good value or is the belt kit over priced 🤔 no doubt creality will release there own version. Also one last thing, did you say consider a cr10s5 y axis motor for the belt axis?
Currently both of my enders are setup in a closet with limited space, do you happen to know the final footprint of this mod? Specifically on the y axis?
Great review. I have questions about the practicality of this kind of assembly line printing. It's only "endless" for as long as a roll of filament will last. If we are manufacturing parts, is it not more economical and reliable to fill the build plate with 24hrs worth of parts and reset each day? It seems like if you need this type of production, you are generally around and attending to your printers anyways. After all, you need to be there to post process, pack, and ship whatever parts your are printing. And with this particular configuration, the belt kit costs as much as two more of the refurbished ender 3's you're using. Wouldn't it be far more productive to buy two more ender 3's so you can have 3 prints going at once? I guess what I'm trying to say is what is the actual use case where this makes production and economical sense, instead of mostly being a cool (very cool honestly) novelty.
Depending on what you print, how much print time is required for each object. For example, for the 6.5 mins disc I printed in the video, if I use a regular Ender-3, I can put 16 of those discs on the print surface, the printing time would be 2 hours. I have to remove the parts before I can start another print. So, the maximum number of parts I can make is 192 discs per day, but I have to babysit the printer 7x24. If I use a belt printer, a roll of filament can print 270 discs, the time required to turn a roll of filament into 270 discs is around 30 hours, suppose the printing area plus the distance between each part is 250mm, this requires the belt to move 67,500mm in relative center position without touching the edge of the roller, this is possible as I can move more than 100,000mm without issue in my best result. So, I only need to change the filament and re-align the belt every 30 hours. But if you are printing something that requires more time, the belt won't make a big difference. For example, if each object requires 2 hours of printing time, you put 6 of them on the build plate, each cycle will take 12 hours, it should be good enough to just use a stock Ender-3 and check it every 12 hours.
@@AuroraTech Oops! Haha, skim-reading.... never good for anyone...Thanks for sharing! and sorry I didn't say it the first time, great videos! Very informative and great on-screen presence.
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Good day. I’m a retired guy who has only been dabbling in the 3d print world for a year or so. As such, I peruse channels for good information and aid with issues. I happened upon your channel and I must say “Bravo!”. Your uploads are concise, informative, and well written. You as a presenter are polite and professional…a welcome change to many other “serious” channels. My hat’s off to you young lady, you’re doing a fantastic job. Keep up the good work!
Well, put, sir. And, "I second that motion!"
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Great review. I just bought one of these kits to try out a few weeks ago.
As for the patent... The only things that are actually covered in a patent are what is listed in the Claims section... All the text before them is just describing the problem and solutions... But actually isn't enforceable... In fact, if they are not claimed but we're actually new inventions, then they become public domain as soon as the patent application publishes.
When I first invented the tilted conveyor belt printer, my exclusive goal was to get by their patent. A careful reading of their claims revealed the requirement that there be an X, Y and Z axis that were perpendicular to each other. That was their weakness that I went after after realizing that I could print with with an oblique axis. I immediately used my Makerbot Replicator and converted it into a belt printer just as a sort of joke, but also to prove it would also work. That's really what started everyone making them after I showed it off at a few shows.
Once the pat expires it will become std items by mfrs worldwide.
@@SaltGrains_Fready, maybe, but the belt, rollers, and steel frame are all extremely niche items, especially for add-ons to a hobby that is already about as niche as they come -- not that I think that's fair, but I don't see the cost dropping without some other innovation mixing things up.
That patent is stopping innovation , I say some rules were made to be broken
That patent is strange! I do not think that stuff falling of a conveyor belt is *new* enough to be patentable as a feature. I would not bother about that too far. But legend said they did manage to patent the wheel as well!
Things like that patent are holding back the development of this industry. One of the best things about 3d printing is the culture of open sourcing everything
Pheeeewww!! These two kids sure are way too smart! :D They should be paid by 3D printer brands to make Q&A, find flaws and improve products!
Super interesting review, as always : ) Thank you for your very nicely done work!
Incredible. Thank you , This is one of the best technical videos I have seen in a very long time.
I have now subscribed to your channel simply because this video is so instructive, informative, concise and is delivered perfectly and is backed up with information that I can view myself outside of the video. That is a huge plus factor in my book.
I am an engineer myself and have just medically retired for mobility reasons but my mind is still as sharp as ever, it is just my knees will not cooperate with with my mind. I did not want to go down the teaching route for the mobility reasons but I still want to be able to pursue a retirement where I can be keep myself occupied.
I have been playing with 3d printers and C02 lasers over the last 5 years with a view to taking this up as more than a hobby and to find your channel is a breath of fresh air in a world that is plagued with many youtubers presenting reviews and technical help, there are only a handful that actually really provide anything more than just a "thank you for sending me a free printer" .
It's very refreshing to watch you work, where did you train? I'm really interested. I have just moved you to the top of my list of subscribed channels and am now very keen to peruse much more of your content.
What you are providing to the community is excellent well detailed information packed with technical illustrations both vocal and viewable delivered in a way that can be understood by anyone. Thank you very much for your hard work. You are an asset to Engineering. Its clearly in your blood as in my family.
I'm not sure how you obtained such skills, knowledge and experience but you are a legend and I am so glad I stumbled upon your channel. I am shopping for a 3d printer for some of my designs so your advice will surely come in handy 🙂👍
Belt Edition cura for Cr30 has built in the option for multiple copies of the same print. You can select the angle of printing so it is not cr30 only, give it a try.
there is another option for continuous print. octoprint can be installed on a computer so instead of using a pi yo can use your computer just as you would with it being tethered. just remember to do updates and turn them off before printing. also you can still get a pi3/2 for a decent price and will work perfectly with this.
As always the quality of the information and reviews on this channel are absolutely stellar. Thank you so much for putting what has to be an astonishing amount of work into this.
Tip for One at a Time print Sequence in Cura that i just learned and has made my life way easier:
Cura will print the most recently inserted file first. So you could just enter the models in backwards order and it will print in your desired way. But even better is just throw all the models in there and arrange them as you want. Then go to the model that you want to print last. Delete it, and then immediately hit undo. Move to the second to last model. Repeat until you get to the first model you want printed, delete it, undo, and BAM theyre now printing in the order you designated without you having to move the models around or worry about placement order. Whenever you make or unmake a group, it acts as the model being imported so that will mess with your order aswell!
Thank you for the shout out! I hope you enjoy the kits. I still have to do a build video for this one, I just have not had the time and does not look like I will prior to MRRF as I am preparing stuff for 2 different manufacturers trying to get everything ready for the show. I will have a 90° and at least 2 45° units at MRRF.
You are welcome! Yes, I enjoy the kits so much, can't wait to see your MRRF videos :)
Spray the entire belt with hairspray, liberally. It works great and you only need add more occasionally and wash rarely.
So cute. If I ever have a daughter I want her to look like you! Then I was confused because you sound so professional.
With the benchy try printing it with a brim it just needs more surface area. Great video as always
Found you today. I am SO impressed and pleased with the brilliant quality of your videos. Subbed!
can't let a silly little patent get in the way of innovation I say, this is AMAZING and I want top try something like this when I update my printer.
I just picked up an ideaformer, i had the bed set to 70c to compensate for the belt temp, but when i used a temp gun the belt surface temp was only 59C. It might be worth checking your belt surface temp and offsetting your target temp to get the belt to the 65c range and try the benchy again. On my machine comping it up to 65C greatly helped.
This kit really peaks my interest, as I have a project currently consisting of 70 parts with multiples each where queuing them up would be amazing.
I just got an ideaformer as well and having issues with bed adhesion when printing PETG. Do you have any suggestions what temp should I be using or what to adjust?
@@LoveandKindness_Z glue stick and more bed temp. Honestly, I have the issue with pla and petg sticking too well seemingly no matter what i do. to the point it just stalls the Z axis motor. kinda annoying
Be sure to eat, sleep and drink water young one. I checked this review with my calipers and it's flawless. Well answers my question, was hoping to automate part detachment. Looks a bit tricky to setup anyway, hope your production crew lets you sleep 😹. Danke. ✌
Everyone make sure you read the description in full as its packed with very useful and informative information.
your review made me seriously consider picking one of these up. i think a 300mm scale up for the CR10 would be a dream come true. thank you for always looking at products for whatever strengths/weaknesses they have equally. going to try some M808 remixes on my vase printer
Please don't take this the wrong way, and I have ZERO intent to offend the presenter and anyone reading this question, sincerely.
How old is the presenter? I say that because there's an amazing amount of knowledge presented, and done so professionally that it's jarring to be listening to all this, look up, and see someone that looks young...too young..?
Makes me feel very dumb for my age 🤣.
Truly great video, so thanks for the helpin hand people.
when CR-30 was in kickstarter phase there was a contribution level for just the belt loop, and this is exactly what I had in mind. You don't have to have raspberry pi, I use a PineH64 board
You can be proud of yourself. You provided useful information and inspiration. Cheers!
For Cura there is a simple workaround to print in the order you want. Goes like this:
Place all models. Click on the model you want to print LAST. Then press und hold SHIFT. click the second last item. Continue with shift holded until you reach your first part. Then press CTRL+G to group them together and now you can immediately ungroup them with CTRL+SHIFT+G.
Now it will print in the order you want. Works on Cura 4.x. Don't know if this "feature" will last on Cura 5.0 which is coming soon.
You make great videos. Keep up the good work!
This is such an amazing channel. I'm glad I found it early.
First off -- Awesome video, thanks for making this and keep up the good work you guys.
I love that you explained the 90 vs 45 degree patent; honestly to me though, that sounds like an invalid patent (as prior work exists and patents are required to be "novel").
Second off some FYIs:
1.) When I click on your link for a refurbished Ender 3, it's now 199.99 (which is 10.00 more than a new Ender 3 on Amazon). 😅
2.) Also, if you find that your motors are running too hot, but you still need that torque, you can mount heat sinks to them. It's a thing.
3.) Instead of a Raspberry PI, look for old Used NUCs they're slightly bigger -- but they're way more powerful; for around 40.00 I scored a Pentium N3700 -- with 8 GB of RAM and 250 GB SSD (the CPU goes from 1.6 GHz to 2.4 GHz, with 4 total cores) -- and seriously the slightly larger footprint will still tuck away right under your printer.
$199 is the Ender 3 V2, if you select Ender 3, the price will be $109. They just put all available printers on the same page.
Excellent review! That patent seems to really be reaching, I didn't think you could patent a process that basic
Thank you for showing me how to fix Cura's z-height bug!! That one got me before I watched this video
This video was amazIng… absolutely the best, I learned a ton. You are you talented. Thank you so much for this gem of a review.
this kid is a genius
You really do great reviews and are so informative, very smart young lady and keep up the good work, i've learned so much from you as a newb to 3d printing
Next big channel about to blow up!
Best review of 3D printer product ever!
This is such a great solution to solve build space issues. But that someone patented something in this open source diy scene is an absolute dick move.
Fantastic review! Very complete and balanced.
It looks very well made and documented.
I'm a bit surprised that you are able to print on the belt where the two ends of the belt are bonded together. I would have expected some unevenness there that would affect layer adhesion.
Adding a skirt to the benchy should help with adhesion, since it's relatively tall in comparison with the size of the base.
Did you mention anything about the bed heater? maybe the belt isn't making great thermal contact with the heating surface. It might be interesting to measure the temperature of the belt surface while printing, ideally with a thermal camera.
Keep up the great work! Your reviews are getting better and better.
You guys are amazing! I feel like an idiot compared to you! Thanks for these informational videos! I really want this kind of setup now! Would be great for a business
good review and explaining, thanks for the video and tips, interesting mod to make experiments and learn more about belt printers
Thanks for the tips!
I imagine they are using completely flat rollers that wont make the belt track. If you look into sanders and stuff like that the center of the rollers are usually proud of the rest of the surface which makes the belt stay in line. Very counter intuitive. Might have to get one of these kits and turn those rollers on my lathe to reshape them the correct way.
Very good review. I am particularly paying attention to your print adhesion issues. On my printer I have the four leveling knobs and have used my thermal camera to look at the bed temperature. The area on the bed above the knobs is quite significantly cooler then the center. Nominally if the bed is set to 70 degrees, the area above the knobs (maybe 2 inch diameter circle) is about 50 degrees or about 20 degrees cooler. This has led to several failed prints when the edge or corner of a part is above a leveling knob. Noting that you have several printers from different manufacturers with leveling knobs, have you ever checked the temperature above the knobs. I wonder if this is a general problem, or only an issue with my printer. Thanks again for your excellent videos.
Very review as always. Detailed and informative.
*First of all, the conveyor belt for 3D printers can not be patented due to prior art. Lots of people made a conveyor belt 3D printer long before Makerbot filed for a silly, not valid patent. If anyone challenges MakerBot in court and shows some prior art RUclips videos, MakerBot's patent will be invalidated. The PTO churn out patents without really doing their homework since they don't have enough staff members. So the PTO cuts a lot of corners in order to try to get out patents, whether they're valid or not, as quick as possible.* *FYI, the majority of patents that get challenges in court are tossed out, due to prior art of some kind.* *I suspect this MakerBot patent would also get tossed.*
Question, does this also work with Ender 3 v2?… I found out, the answer is yes, yes it does.
bro, you deserve more subscribers....
first time watching your video, youre amazing!
Its a nice kit, but considering how much tweaking you had to do to get it working, it doesn't really seem worth the 300 bucks. At minimum, it should really include at least the parts needed to print out of the box. Seems like they need to refine their design a bit more.
Ender Bender or the 45th degree, should check out both of those mods.
Конвеер стоит больше чем сам принтер)))
Such an interesting video. Thank you for making this. Didn't know such a thing exists. Is there a version that is compatible with the Ender 3 S1?
I think it would be easier to add the Sprite hotend to the Ender-3 90-degree belt printer than make a kit for the Ender 3 S1.
Are you going to do some videos about Klipper?
See you the first day. Do you use voice over? Really good video.
Very interesting, something to think about. Informative and well presented. Thanks 👍👍
I am a new fan from Switzerland. I am petitioning for a new post on the same subject but with an affordable IDEX 3D printer like the Sovol SV04. I wonder if it is difficult to combine the software for 90° continuous printing with independent dual extruders. I am pretty sure it will be a very productive and convenient unit for less than a thousand dollars.
With my best regards
Great Review, very informative! Good video, enjoyed it, thanks!
Might just be me but feel audio/video is slightly out of sync? Love your videos! Keep up the fantastic work :)
Great video very clear and giving us mere mortals hope the we can achieve such great prints 🖨 👍
10:08 that's not a bug, that's a safety measure, In machine settings instead of changing the "Z(height)" change the "Gantry Height" it's just a little bit to the right, Gantry Height defines the clearance from the bed to the gantry to avoid hitting already printed models on common machine.
I think the real bug it's that you can skip the safety check by changing the Z height.
Very interesting and great research for this.
Great tutorial!
It is also possible to install octoprint on the pc if you are already running linux.
Great video!
Amazing! Thank you for this video ^^
Great video! Very well explained.
Where can I get a copy of the instruction manuals please
Great review! Keep it up.
Thank you for your effort and information.
Should come with a enclosure to increase success per print 🤔
Hi im looking for the kit u used but can't find it could u post a link plz thank you
I am looking to see if you did a review of the 45 degree version. to compare. The 45 degree version in theory might stick better because you are not really trying to print to the "Sky" and hope the base stays planted on the build plate. But you do have to get the Nozzle really dialed in as close to the belt as possible because the extruder is at a 45 degree angle. I am starting to think if I keep my standard printer I am going to get the 45 degree up grade kit in stead of the 90 degree kit and new/used ender 3.
you do realize octoprint works on anything that can run Linux and/or android. Something like the libre computer tritium is 45 USD, and it used to go for 40 on amazon. My advice would be to look at Explaining Computer's SBC videos, as he's done a lot of SBC videos. Note that some like the Odroid XU4 are higher than they used to be, but I'm not sure if the price is correct when adjusted for inflation.
actually is there any way I can give you guys a video suggestion, there's a project I've been using on my printer that you might find intriguing. It lets you color prints with sharpies as if it's a multi-color printer. Kinda want to see how it'll work with this
I was up an running with octoprint on an old android phone from the junk drawer in about 20 min. Bonus: huge built in touch screen to access the interface.
So... the patent of makerbot also covers building cars, building blocks and all sort of things?? because that exists in the industry since 1900
You could just use a pine64 instead of the PI, anything that runs Debian should work for octoprint
Claims section from patent US8668859B2
What is claimed is:
1. An apparatus comprising:
a build platform including a surface that is rigid and substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas;
an extruder including a chamber to receive a build material and an extrusion tip that extrudes the build material at a controlled volumetric rate;
a x-y-z positioning assembly adapted to three-dimensionally position the extrusion tip within the working volume;
a controller electrically coupled to each of the build platform, the extruder, and the x-y-z positioning assembly, the controller operable to control the build platform, the extruder, and the x-y-z positioning assembly to fabricate an object in three-dimensions from the build material; and
a plurality of heating elements disposed within the build platform, each one of the plurality of heating elements associated with a corresponding one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform, each one of the plurality of heating elements coupled in a communicating relationship with the controller, wherein the controller is configured to independently control each one of the plurality of heating elements to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform.
2. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein at least one of the plurality of heating elements includes a resistive element to convert electrical current into heat.
3. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein at least one of the plurality of heating elements includes a Peltier effect device.
4. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one cooling element coupled to the controller and configured to provide active cooling to an area of the build platform.
5. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements includes at least one gas heating device.
6. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one stream of heated gas directed toward the build platform and controllable to heat the build platform.
7. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one stream of cooled gas directed toward the build platform and controllable to cool the build platform.
8. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one sensor to detect a temperature of the build platform.
9. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one radiant heater configured to heat the working volume during a build.
10. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising at least one radiant heater configured to maintain the object at a fixed, elevated temperature during a build.
11. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements provide independent control over cooling the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform.
12. The apparatus of claim 1 further comprising a conveyor to controllably move the object out of the working volume.
13. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the plurality of heating elements are controllable to heat at least one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform to at least about one hundred degrees Celsius.
14. A method comprising:
providing a build platform having a surface that is substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas, the build platform passing through a working volume of a three-dimensional printer;
independently controlling a plurality of heating elements for the build platform to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform; and
fabricating an object on the build platform, wherein fabricating the object includes creating the object from a number of layers of a material, each one of the number of layers having a two-dimensional shape corresponding to a cross-section of the object.
15. The method of claim 14 further comprising actively cooling the build platform after fabricating the object.
16. The method of claim 14 further comprising moving the object out of the working volume with a conveyor after fabricating the object.
17. A computer program product for controlling a three-dimensional printer, the computer program product comprising computer executable code embodied in a non-transitory computer-readable medium that, when executing on one or more computing devices, performs the steps of:
controlling a three-dimensional printer to fabricate an object on a build platform within a working volume of the three-dimensional printer, the build platform having a surface that is substantially planar, the surface including a plurality of areas, wherein fabricating the object includes creating the object from a number of layers of a material, each one of the number of layers having a two-dimensional shape corresponding to a cross-section of the object; and
independently controlling a plurality of heating elements for the build platform to provide different heating to each one of the plurality of areas of the surface of the build platform.
18. The computer program product of claim 17 further comprising code that performs the step of moving the object out of the working volume with a conveyor after completing a fabrication of the object.
Looks like Bill already replied.
Has anyone seen this setup on Klipper?
What is the yellow sheet bended part thickness ? Plz ans me
Can i do the same for sidewinder X2?
Great Video! *_Thanks!_*
How well would this work with a low profile tpu print?
Hey thanks for your awesome reviews, I know you have said you are not a fan of Printing Phone Cases but I need to print some TPU cases and am looking for a workhorse under 500 euros/600USD ... what should I put on my list. I'm kind of tempted to just get a Prusa but for TPU Cases there might be a better option.
does auto leveling work for this?
I had read somewhere that 45 degree belt printers came about as 90 degreee belt printers were protected by patent, I wonder if the upgrade gets around this patent by not actually producing a printer?
Edit: I think you guys should design a printer, I would be curious to see what you come up with, and would be happy to build it also, you guys are advanced well beyond your years!
According to the paper, it's not about the printing angle, it's about the process of fabricating multiple objects and automatically remove by the belt. But someone also said the inventor actually published the concept on the web before the patent is filed.
@@AuroraTech Thank you for clarifying, my explanation was a bit ambiguous as it was a fair few years ago I read about this.
I bought five Ender 3 all with 8 bit board and they all print perfect. I get one with 32 bit board and it prints very poorly.
Not sure about this new 32bit board. I installed updated marlin firmware to see if that would help. No change.
Thinking I have to buy another Ender 3 because this one 32 bit board print so poorly. Not very typical of Ender 3 which usually prints perfect out of the box.
Best TPU Printer under 400?
Great review and build
Can't Idearmaker not be used to make the belt slicing?
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂
No, Ideamaker can only do 45-degree belt slicing.
What about using the Ender 3 Glass bed under the belt to take up the space ?
Once it warms up it holds the heat very uniformly over the entire area due to it's large even mass.
It would need to be static under the belt. But heat is definitely needed
Where can I buy one ??
Hi. So where this kit do i buy?
Hi does your custom firmware work with an ender 3 pro?
A week ago I wrote a message to Aurora Tech about shipping to Europe, and still have no reply. Their Online Store doesn't seem real. I have doubts if by giving them money we will get what we want. I need this modification but am disappointed with the poor contact. I don't want to risk losing a lot of money.
for continuous batch printing which one would you choose since they are close to price? this kit+refurb 3 or the ideaformer belt printer
great video
In fact, a 45-degree printing angle is not great for batch printing, if I have to pick one. I would modify the IdeaFormer to 90-degree if I really have to do large batch printing, this DIY kit is OK, but the quality of the DIY base, roller as well as the belt is not as solid as those from IdeaFormer, of course, it's not fair to compare a $350(kit+printer) with a $600+ printer.
Good review. It dose make you wonder, is the ender3 exceedingly good value or is the belt kit over priced 🤔 no doubt creality will release there own version. Also one last thing, did you say consider a cr10s5 y axis motor for the belt axis?
I am using a set of Nema 17 40mm stepper motors(1.7A rated current) on the Y-axis.
Currently both of my enders are setup in a closet with limited space, do you happen to know the final footprint of this mod? Specifically on the y axis?
Have you done any TPU printing with this belt? Overall, great review though.
If this was a printer setup you could buy stock, I'd buy 10.
Great review. I have questions about the practicality of this kind of assembly line printing.
It's only "endless" for as long as a roll of filament will last. If we are manufacturing parts, is it not more economical and reliable to fill the build plate with 24hrs worth of parts and reset each day?
It seems like if you need this type of production, you are generally around and attending to your printers anyways. After all, you need to be there to post process, pack, and ship whatever parts your are printing.
And with this particular configuration, the belt kit costs as much as two more of the refurbished ender 3's you're using. Wouldn't it be far more productive to buy two more ender 3's so you can have 3 prints going at once?
I guess what I'm trying to say is what is the actual use case where this makes production and economical sense, instead of mostly being a cool (very cool honestly) novelty.
Depending on what you print, how much print time is required for each object.
For example, for the 6.5 mins disc I printed in the video, if I use a regular Ender-3, I can put 16 of those discs on the print surface, the printing time would be 2 hours. I have to remove the parts before I can start another print. So, the maximum number of parts I can make is 192 discs per day, but I have to babysit the printer 7x24.
If I use a belt printer, a roll of filament can print 270 discs, the time required to turn a roll of filament into 270 discs is around 30 hours, suppose the printing area plus the distance between each part is 250mm, this requires the belt to move 67,500mm in relative center position without touching the edge of the roller, this is possible as I can move more than 100,000mm without issue in my best result. So, I only need to change the filament and re-align the belt every 30 hours.
But if you are printing something that requires more time, the belt won't make a big difference. For example, if each object requires 2 hours of printing time, you put 6 of them on the build plate, each cycle will take 12 hours, it should be good enough to just use a stock Ender-3 and check it every 12 hours.
@@AuroraTech That makes sense.
Thanks for the great response and great videos!
Would this kit work on a ender 3 v2?
Same question xd
Awesome 😍
Do you have the 3D printed stand offs for the screen and bed uploaded anywhere? Would save me a bit of time if you could share them!
Yes, the download link is under the description, scroll it all the way down to the bottom and you will see it.
@@AuroraTech Oops! Haha, skim-reading.... never good for anyone...Thanks for sharing! and sorry I didn't say it the first time, great videos! Very informative and great on-screen presence.
y lip sink?
shes not?