for certain. I LOVE Keith but he has taken full advantage of the roots that were laid down for him ( not saying he did not help lay the roots) by Both Brian Jones and then when Keith reached a peaked in the Mick Taylor years, obviously the BEST stuff - although I am a fan of pre Taylor also. There is a part of me in listening to Keith's interviews that makes me think he was always just a bit threatened by someone who might just be that much more talented than him. I am not trying to downplay Keith, I saw him at a solo tour after the release of Talk is Cheap in 1988 and I was in front of the stage - my little sister and I met a couple of guys and I was pressed up against a speaker - I think it was either Aragon Ballroom or The Riviera I can't recall just now, but honestly, that show was really one of the best live shows I ever saw. December, I drove down to Chicago from Milwaukee in the snow in my 1977 Camaro, did not think we would get there in time or at all - and ended up squeezing our way to the front (as I did at least 99% of the time) Really fantastic musician. But I just get that feeling about him. And isn't this a clip from Crossfire Hurricane? I have that laying around somewhere. Not really that good of a documentary, IMO.
In Bill Wymans book, Stone alone, he writes in depth about Brian and his relationship with the rest of the stones. Its very inciteful and worth a read .
Surely you mean marimba. Xylophone doesn’t sound like that. Brian was so talented but in so much pain. It’s very sad. I don’t blame the stones for firing him. They were all kids.
@@DAODEA I respect the Beatles for cancelling lucrative tours to escape to India on a spiritual journey all the more. It’s was to help save their sanity. George was wise beyond his years.
Having been a child of the 50’s, and a total Stones fan in the 60’s, Brian was always my favourite Stone. His slide guitar on Little Red Rooster and Sitar on Paint it black were high points of my teen years. I was devastated when he died, a year or two before Hendrix and Joplin. God, we have lost so much talent over the years...
@@acousticshadow4032 Half right. They were very successful after Brian (and even more so). But I wonder if they would have "launched" without him. Not only was he a good musician, he knew people like Alexis Korner, who helped the Stones get their first good gigs.
@@googoo-gjoob its somewhere inbetween. they couldve done more to be straight w/ brian & say look, your imploding. let us help you get straight, or we will have to cut ways. it seems it just devolved into cutting him w/ no intervention inbetween. yet, I will concede jones was a tough indiv to deal w/. he was also an elder to them & it just may have not seen doable for them to do. manag shouldve been more vigorous.
yeah Charlie speaks hes true feelings. but at that point the stones had to deliver on comitments. a really sad outcome for all. Charlie is the STAND UP GUY.
Charlie also said that Brian could be a horrible person one minute and the nicest guy the next. Brian got much nicer towards the end and that he felt sorry for him. In a professional situation you can't keep dead weight. Brian was said to have lost interest by Stu and all other accounts. Mick and Keith were driving ahead with more focus than ever. It's not their fault Brian pissed off Frank Thorougood to such a point he killed him as confessed by he himself on his death bed.
Yeah...and Richards stole his woman! Who steals a mate's woman? Millions of woman in the world...you are a rock star...but you have to steal your bandmate's woman?? (yeah, yeah...ok..ok...Keith could have "saved" Anita from Brian's brawny wrath without "stealing" her...)
Not really. Charlie was the rock of the band...the glue. He's the one that kept it together. And they all respected him. Just because he wasn't as flambouant as the others doesn't mean he was a pushover.
You can sort of get a feel from footage that Jones was a bit of a *young* (people must remember that he was a kid) arsehole. He wasn't a people person.
Brian was such a creative force when it came to adding texture to the music. I think I prefer the Mick Taylor years, since I love his brilliant guitar work, but Brian did bring something to that band that they’ve never been able to replace.
THE WORK WITH MICK TAYLOR WAS THE GREAT YEARS OF THE ROLLING STONES....THE WORK DONE BY BRIAN JONES WAS THE ENTRY LEVEL YEARS OF THE ROLLING STONES....AND BRIAN HELPED TO MAKE THE STONES A BIGGER BAND
Someday we need to organize a showdown between the diehard Brian Jones fans and the diehard Mick Taylor fans. Both musicians proved the Stones are stronger and more enduring than either of them
69birdboy ......Bill married Mandy when she was 18. Never forget, it “takes 2 to tango”, she was only trying to make a name for herself. Her ridiculous mother even accompanied the couple on their honeymoon.
My girlfriend, in 1989 got the job of a lifetime, one year as the live-in kindergarten teacher for Jagger and Jerry Hall's two youngest children. She lived and travelled with the family spending time in Mustique, New York, Paris, London and Bali, where she was maid of honour for Mick and Jerry's faux wedding. I, as a consequence, had the good fortune to meet Jagger, Richards and Woods on a couple of occasions. These were brief, friendly exchanges, not opportunities to observe anything of any substance. I did have occasion to have a beer with both Richards and Woods in 1991 in the very small bar of the Halcyon Hotel in London where we all were coincidentally staying. They were there to attend Bill Wyman's marriage to Mandy Smith. I was there on business. My girlfriend signed, and has honoured, an iron clad non disclosure agreement that all employees of the Stones/Jagger sign. While she said Jerry had a tendency to let little tidbits slip when the two of them would drink champagne together every couple of weeks, her firsthand experience did little to enhance her knowledge of the inner workings of a typically remote Jagger who engaged with her only to get twice monthly updates on the kids' progress with their lessons. In fact her takeaway, after actually living with Jagger and family was, he was the consummate manager of both his and the Stones' legacy and mythology. Support staff were kept at arm's length at all times and most were terminated after a year precisely so they couldn't get to know intimate details; details that could be shared with a hungry press. The point being, nobody here, unless they too have actually worked with the Stones, knows much more about the band than what Mick Jagger and, latterly Keith with Life, would have you know. Clearly there are corroborated stories from early days, press reports and so on. There are events that couldn't be kept secret but, by and large, most of what is taken as truth by the most loyal and diligent fans, is based on anecdotal evidence not fact. While many here have done their homework and are intelligent enough to connect a multitude of dots to arrive at plausible explanations and conclusions with respect to the band's history and relationships within the band, it still amounts to nothing more than conjecture. So for all the name calling, record collections and friend of a friend accounts, nobody knows exactly why Brian Jones was found floating face down in his swimming pool. Nobody knows for certain the real impact Keith's addiction had on the band, why it was tolerated or just how close it came to causing the band's demise. Given most of us have enough trouble sorting fact from fiction with regard to our own lives and careers, it is preposterous that anybody who was not there, who was not a party to the creation and crafting of the romantic myth that is the Rolling Stones, would suggest otherwise. Furthermore, the longer ago something happened, the vaguer the truth of the matter gets and the more susceptible it becomes to personal interpretations. So how about easing up on the name calling and pretence to knowledge and simply enjoy the different thoughts, feelings and ideas that loyal and knowledgeable fans are bringing to this discussion.
I think Brian added a musical dimension to the band that none of the other replacements did to quite the same extent. Also he had a hip glamor and style to match Mick And Keith.The string lines on 2000 light years make it happen for me!
I grew up with the Stones ! and I never liked Brian, I didn't know why he was part of the band ??!!! I hated his hair cut the most !! All these years later everyone knows that the Stones didn't need him , he's gone and they stayed ,
Sure..... Keith was there always straight as an arrow. Double standard !!! We had to..... The tour..... Charlie said it clear, they took away his everything And Keith also took his girlfriend..... Keith wanted a guitar band, done. Keith wanted a brilliant kid guitar player to boss around, done . They also slammed the door on that gentle and super brilliant prognathic piano player Ian Stewart, and out sourced the bass section once Bill quit, and yes!!! They had Charlie release a statement shortly before his passing saying basically that "the show must go.on" and lo behold!! the agonizing man had picked an ideal replacement!!! No fuzzing around and waxing on right or not so right, correct or not so correct like The Who or Led Zeppelin when their drummers died, a thing that would have had deletereus impact on the core of their lives: money, tons of money.
I agree with you. I heard that someone hooked him on the drugs and then regretted it because it screwed up his brain. I made a video for Brian Jones if you want to see it on my RUclips channel I made it a couple weeks ago.
yeah and you don't record over the parts someone does when they leave the studio. And you don't sleep with their girlfriend then show up every day loving up on her with him sitting there. They were just nasty and cruel.
In the early 60`s it was the influence of Brian Jones that raised the Stones head and shoulders above the hundreds of other Rhythm & Blues bands around at the time.
That’s a misquote. Charlie said “I felt sorry for him” but he didn’t say he was sorry he also added that Brian’s problems with drugs and drinking were too much for him to handle.
@@Viajealduende keith shouldve stayed away from anita. He shouldve respected that she was with brian. Young people make mistakes. It doesnt change how talented all these guys were.
My era, I remember him like it was yesterday. He was one of the bad-boys at the time, his image anyways. So talented to say the least, creative too. When he died it was really big news, especially with the kids who knew him so well. RIP.
I saw their 12x5 doc and they were revolutionaires in the show bizz, there's a iconic scene in the doc when playing in the Netherlands and the audience went to craze
michael clarke How is blaming two people for someone’s DEATH an opinion? And if they had went the whole thing would’ve been the media bringing attention to them so why would they want that on a day about Brian?
"... He was a very talented guy, and I don't regret a day working with him and meeting him and putting the Stones together with him. I wouldn't have missed that for anything... Brian deserves credit for his drive in putting the band together and putting it on a solid footing. If the band had remained what our limited horizons for it were, which was a hip London club band, it would have been fine. But he pushed us to be more." - Keith Richards, Boston Globe, 1989
"Mick Jagger and Keith Richards didn't create the Rolling Stones - they were part of The Rolling Stones like all of us," he said. "Brian Jones wanted to form a blues band and he enlisted each member one by one". Bill Wyman. It was his band after all. Brian (with Stu) was the architect and deserves more respect.
Bill Wyman talks a lot of shit. The truth is very easy to find. Brian did not recruit the Stones one by one. Bullshit, Listen to interviews with Ian Stewart, Dick Taylor (Ya know who he is? Not Mick T.) Dick Taylor could be given credit for forming the Stones. He asked jagger to sing with him and his friends (later called Little boy Blue and the Blue boys) in their basement band at his parents house. Mick brought in Keith, which in turn Brian asked them if they all wanted to join him with a new guy he found from the paper a pianist called Stu. Brian bought 4 guys from Dick Taylor's basement and added them and their repetoire with Ian Stewart, got them their first gig and named the band, The early Stones music were covers, mostly what Mick and keith had already been rehearsing with The Blue boys. Mick Jagger had learned to sing blues songs from a big black cook on US military base where his dad worked as a fitness trainer long before he met Brian Jones. While Brian deserves to be remembered for what he did do, his fanatica have overcompensated and way over exaggerated his importance. The Stones accelerated got better when Brian went down and many Jones fans hate that fact.
@Anthony Ballester No I didn't know Brian or any Stone but I can gather information, add 1 plus 1, put two things together better than most who spew shit out based on very little information gathered and with a bit of common sense it all comes together. Some Brian Jones fanatics are like a cult and can be proven wrong easily with just who did what and when. I've heard some say that Mick Taylor channeled Brian and other BS worse than that. Just simply listen to Brian in the first 23 seconds here. ruclips.net/video/leXg1XzyDGQ/видео.html Then to the band where Brian pulled Mick, Dick and Keith from. Little boy Blue and the Blue boys. The original pre-Jones Stones. ruclips.net/video/ujatJ2yYfdM/видео.html Then listen to Ian Stewart in this interview; Stu Speaks pay close attention to 2:57 ruclips.net/video/cNHg_rJrD8g/видео.html Then just listen to the Rolling Stones original compositions With or without Brian Jones as is titled this clip. Mick and keith had more to do with 90% of the Stones best classics starting from their cover version days right through brian's era and Mick Taylor's who is a great guitar player but also overrated for his contributions. He himslef only claimed that he didn't get some co-credit only on a few songs, that which I don't doubt. Jagger/Richards were probably too tight but had their creative genius as well.
Yes of course often ignored or not mentioned is Ian Stewart. Like where would the Bee Gees and Three Dog Night be without their superb Session and Live Tour Bands? The Bands were a lot more than just the Lead Vocalists and Lead Rhythm Section Players.
He was great on boogie woogie piano,a thing more country to rock,more Jerry Lee Lewis than blues.But he has a non attractive large chin.Oldham convinced Brian to cut him off the lights because of this more than because his musical talents.
I've heard the opinions on Brian's dismissal and death and that Mick and Keith were 'jealous' as if that makes any sense. Or even the crazy idea that they plotted his death. The fact is he had already left the band long before he was asked to give his voluntary resignation. He was in a downward spiral for 2 years and became a weight and a distraction. There's no doubt they were mean to him, especially Keith taking his girl but even that decision seemed to be justifiable as Brian was reckless, violent and destructive, and to Anita in particular. It's well acknowledged that Brian was talented and made the Stones a better band, when he decided he wanted to contribute. However he was not the only thing that made the Stones great. Not everything is simple, black and white. No one in the Stones as far as I can tell dismisses Brian as an artist or a person. They just did what they felt they had to do in the circumstances given. It should also be known that after Brian's leaving the band he would still come by to rehearsals and talk about his ongoing projects. Nobody shunned him. They were on friendly terms. Regardless of Brian being murdered, which he likely was, whenever questions arise about him, the remaining Stones all are forced into the hot seat of accusal and asked to question their moral integrity about anything they might have done to contribute to Brian's death. Obviously Mick and especially Keith struggle with this fèeling to some degree. Keith seems to resent being forced to answer the question and wants to distance himself from having to explain past decisions which were loaded with circumstance. Keith knows, as do many people, that ultimately Brian was his own responsibility. The problems they had with Brian were created by Brian himself.
he was being paid a nice salary after being fired for as long as the band existed, they didnt leave him high and dry at all. I believe too that he was murdered, he had much to live for and even though the autopsy said his organs were damaged, which might notve even been correct cause this was all a long time ago in medical history, he very well may have eventually gotten his addictions in check, many people are out of control in their 20s. People who know the Stones know that even after death, he was the Stones. His legend made them a legend.
I don't think that Keith and mick plotted his death but they could have saved him, right before he died he asked them to take him to the hospital and they told him to F off I defiantly think they could have saved him.
Brian started the group & his contribution to their early records cannot be overstated. I only ever saw them live after Brian had gone, but it has become apparent over the years that Mick Taylor’s playing drove them to a live performance peak they never really reached again.
The early years with Brian produced some phenomenal ground breaking music. He was the one who inspired the music and led the way with his creative genius. In many ways he opened the minds of the other members and they took off running with it. They became good at it without him. The Stones no longer needed him and did not want to be dragged down by his numerous problems. Sad but he brought it on himself. Step in Mick Taylor - perfect!
@@Vichedges The Stones best era was definitely from Beggars Banquet (1968) to Goats Head Soup (1973). So, it basically didn't involve Jones, who did not really contribute to BB.
@@jonburrows8602 I thinkThe Stones best era was from 1973 to 81, with Goats Head Soup, It's Only Rock'n Roll, Black and Blue, Some Girls, Emotional Resque and Tattoo You. Black and Blue 1976, that was the peak. Hot Stuff.
Right.... Mick Jagger probably would've ended up working at some Fast Food joint & Keith would've just been some obscure guitarist for a no name band..,,,, Right, you keep believing that
@Doc Santoro They never would have had all of those hits in the 60's if it wasn't for the Multiple instruments he played on those hits so fuck you you moron.
@Doc Santoro I don't believe I said they didn't write compose or even produce many great songs,I said without Brian and him getting them gigs and pushing their name who knows what would of happened. I can be right as well as you! And IMO the band was at it's best during the Mick Taylor years, But the early years it was Brian's band .Bill Wyman even said as much!
@?? Yes Brian was leader til douchebag Andrew Oldham stepped in as the band manager and started to plann his conspiracy with Mick and Keith against Brian for band leadership toward the end of 1965 and after he was sacked, he never was the same afterwards especially after his death.
George Harisson: ´´There was nothing wrong with Brian that a little love and respect wouldnt cure.´´ This man was abused on emotional and psychological level for years. Read book from Laura Jackson on Brian Jones. Its true and heart-breaking.
The Beats knew how to treat him and even dare I say utilize him like they did. Audaciously they could of used him and adapted him into there interesting musical cornucopia.
Sounds like George was projecting quite a bit when he said that! I mean, who in the Beatles didn’t get the love and respect he needed (it wasn’t Ringo, who I think was just happy to be there)? Thankfully George got many decades more than Brian (or John, Jim, Jimi, Janis and so many others… 😢), though he was still taken too soon. I don’t think anyone would have bet that Keith would not only still be be here, but still active in 2021 (*we’re living in the future!!!*)!
Keith se cree que es Dios Todopoderoso. Es un gran músico, pero como persona me parece repugnante y si no fuera por Mikc ya estarían muertos y enterrados.
Pink Floyd had a similar issue with Syd Barrett, an original band member (arguably the talent) who suffered a mental illness that became more pronounced via drug use. barrett was possibly bipolar. Jones narcissism was perhaps clinical but both were in bands that were ambitious and striving for the peak, hence they were casualties. Mind you, both Jones and Barrett had a fan base and name recognition they could leverage to something else, that never happened. Dave Mustaine was fired from Metallica early on essentially for conflicts and drinking but was able to relaunch with Megadeth, hence the variable of mental illness.
Maybe so, but when you don't show up, or show and can't play, what good are you? Keith had to play lead and rhythm guitar at most of the gigs between 66 and 69. Also, he was a MASSIVE douchebag! To top it all off, he was a woman beater. Keith took Anita away from him because he was physically beating the crap out of her. As far as I'm concerned, he got what he deserved.
Go and do some research. See how many guitarists cite Keith Richards as an influence and how many cite Brian Jones. Then come back and tell us again that Brian was the most gifted... +Timothy Ehrler - Exactly! Not to mention that he was ineligible for a U.S. visa because of his drug history, so couldn't have toured the States with them even if they wanted him too. It's just bizarre that people don't understand that it's not possible to work with someone who is completely wasted all the time. I mean ... if someone showed up to the office late, and wasted, then they would be fired. Why do people think a band is any different? I guess people don't understand that being in a band is a job - a career - it's not just fun and games. In fact it's a lot harder than many other jobs because it requires you to be constantly creative. At any rate, you don't get to where the Stones did if you dick around getting high all the time. There are some excellent videos that show albums being made and people should watch them so that they can understand what's actually involved in recording an album. It's bloody hard work and it requires discipline...
That Jones was a "massive douchebag" and a woman beater are irrelevant to his musical abilities and importance to The Rolling Stones music. If you were to stop listening to rock musicians who were "massive douchebags", I dare say that your listening options would be severely limited. All I know is that more often than not, it is Jones' playing on Rolling Stones records that catches my ear; whether that be guitar, sitar, flute, dulcimer, vibes, piano, marimba or any of the many other instruments he could play.
When did the Stones "story" begin? It began in 1962 when Brian Jones put the band together. Their 1st album in 1963 topped UK charts. By 1965--after Satisfaction--they were massive in UK, US, Australia, etc. By 1968 -- all Brian Jones' years -- they had recorded 8 (UK) albums. The songs from these albums remain foundation of Rolling Stones live performances up to present day.
"Fame doesn't sit comfortably on anyone's shoulders" I think that is probably very true. I once read an interview with MIck in which he said that Brian's guitar playing in "No expectations" was the very last time when Brian was totally involved with the band. I think the Stones couldn't have been as successful as they were in the 60s without Brian, and they probably couldn't have survived the 70s with Brian.
mick and keith should be ashamed for the way they treated him. how in the hell can you justify firing the guy that founded the band. mick and keith are ass holes !!!!
keith would show up with anita and make out with her and Brian sitting there. Then keith wondered why he wouldn't show up. When he did play, they would put him in the booth and not even turn on the recording equipment or when Brian left they would record over what Brian did. They were inhumane in the way they treated Brian. And they still lie about it. Refused his legacy. They stole from him after Brian died and the music he was working on they burned in Brian's yard.
The comment was that their stories have some similarities - like being too fucked up to tour, Ect.... It wasn't about comparing the talent of two individuals who both were original members of two of the most ultra-successful bands ever. How did you become the greater authority on judging the talent of Legends. You must be someone damn special. Many of his fellow musicians say he could play any instrument you handed him and write a song on it. But then Chief Kunt says he had no actual talent. I'm so torn. Who should I believe.
Greg I was thinking exactly the same thing. they both started their bands and were eventually kicked out of their own bands for drug/mental problems. Very sad.
Yes, but Brian was not on acid all the time. Look up the last song Syd tried to teach the Floyd! "Have You Got It Yet"? You will laugh. anyway, they couldn't communicate with Syd, but they didn't steal his girlfriend. And they stopped picking him up for gigs. Very different stories, same time period. Brian couldn't tour because of his court cases, and by that time he wanted to play R&B again. So it's more complex.
Or Peter Willis in Def Leppard. But he was lucky, he escaped a tragedy waiting to happen. He's a great guitarist, like Jones. You can give Pete a 12 string, a 6 string acoustic and electric guitar, he could write complex solos and rhythmic or rhythmically lead guitar parts. Jones was a multi instrumental genius.
No Satisfaction, No Rolling Stones! Thank you Mick and Keith for writing some of the greatest songs in Rock 'n Roll history and to all the rest of the Stones and contributing musicians from all their periods. Thank you Brian Jones for organizing the band, for getting these boys to play better and giving them a much better name than their previous group, Little Boy and the Blue Boys. Although Charlie Watts didn't like the name The Rolling Stones at first, thank you Charlie for being the classiest low key and coolest act in rock 'n roll history. Thank you Bill Wyman for being also being a great low key but tasty and fantastic groove Bass player. Thank you Mick taylor for your great virtuoso soloing, thank you Ron Wood for being a wacky and funny personality and also for putting up with being a very underrated guitar player by too many ignorant fans, for being the greatest Stones fan and keeping Mick, Keith and the band together. Thank you Bobby Keys, Ian Stewart and Nicky Hopkins, best back up musicians in rock 'n roll history! R.I.P all of you. Thank god for the Rolling Stones and that they still kick it up the arse across the world. Not a bad life for being 55 years together and defying the negative doubters since the very beginning!
Kitten Lyric Ya got anymore BS conspiracy theories? If so save them for your fellow cultists. Brian Jones was upset about Satisfaction because he knew he had nothing to do with it like so many other Jagger/Richards compositions but this one put them on top of the world.
And becoming total inauthentic shills in the process. The Rolling Stones’ REAL and authentic period from 1963-1972 was the only one that really matters imo, after that they became corporate shells of their former selves. They weren’t really The Stones anymore after Brian died, but Exile on Main Street was their last real album. Nothing after that is worth paying any attention to.
I would love it if Bill Wyman wrote a book about his former band mate Brian. Since he’s the only Stone who says consistent nice things about Brian and his contributions to the group.
Get wymans book, stone alone, he gives a very accurate inside view of how things were with Brian and the rest of the band. He sticks up for Brian and still does to this day
Fact. Brian Jones formed & named the band. All band members were recruited by him from HIS advert..He booked the gigs & picked the music. He was the driving force. As Bill Wyman said in an interview" people now have no idea how secondary Mick & Keith were back then. Brian was the most popular by far." The Rolling Stones will ALWAYS be Brian Jones' band. End of. People can have their own opinions,but they can't have their own facts. No Jones, No Stones.
to jay reid....you mean the songs they called theirs but Brian wrote or helped write......even their accountant said that......Jones and Greene wrote most of 8 miles high according to Greene.....jagger/richards mythology 101
No Jagger, No Keith, No Stones. Brian might have started the band, but without the star power & writing of Jagger and Richards, they wouldn't have been but a footnote in music history.
Jim M ...I use to think along the same lines as your comment until I read Paul Trynkas book on Brian....now I believe Brian would have succeeded without mick & keith...easily the most talented by far,wrote songs he never took credit for and taught those two the biz......no the jealousy lies squarely with mick & keith....the biggest problem I have w/those two is their rewriting of history and not being honest about how they really benefited by knowing and playing with Jones...
Brian Jones,Syd Barrett,Nick Drake,Peter Green,Paul Kossef-A remarkably strange English musical pedigree that continues to give good afterglow?:)God Bless Them All Now&Forever.
@@amauryagraz5842 think it’s more like finally because he’s suffering or they were surprised that he lasted that long don’t think he meant it in a bad way
I disagree, Taylor took them to a whole new level. I love both eras but they got along fine without Jones. Ronnie is a great player too but by the time he joined they were middle aged and jaded superstars. Some Girls was their last hurrah IMO, after that they just became like a mediocre restaurant in a great location, the quality didn't really matter people were going to show up anyway.
Bodensick; No he didn't actually. Brian could play but when you really know who did what, he didn't do all that much by the time the Stones were writing their best music. You can name Brian's contributions on one hand maybe two for all the brilliant Jagger/Richards compositions. Sitar, paint it Black, Marimbas on Under my Thumb, recorder Ruby Tuesday, hook line for the Last time, Slide guitar on Little red rooster and No Expectations and very simple stuff yet very pretty as well and a great guitar melody lead on the chorus of jumping Jack Flash. Brian for all his talent, was no Ry Cooder, Eric clapton, Page, Hendrix, Townshend, Mick taylor nor keith Richards on the guitar by the late 60's, he had been surpassed by most as he himself got bored of playing the guitar. He was very accomplished for English players in 1964 but his level didn't grow much from then on. Please feel free to add if I forgot anything. The meat of all the songs came from Jagger/Richards. Brian had some occasional special sauce, as did many more musicians who played with them. Mick and Keith were very happy to work with professional and superiorly talented musicians that added great stuff to their composition, Ry cooder, Nicky Hopkins, Bobby Keys, Mick Taylor, just to name a few. What really bothered Mick and Keith as well as the rest of the band was Brian the person, not the musician.
count his contributions on one hand? what a joke. thats because they took credit for a lot of his ideas or things he wrote. in the very beginning days they weren't even good at playing their own instruments which is why brain taught taught them a bunch of stuff
Alexander Farzaneh .......Josh S doesn’t seem to like Brian (let alone ever credit the man with a thing) so he writes these essays in an attempt to educate us of the Glimmers importance. To my ears though, the Jagger/Richards “meat” was unfortunately dreadfully *bland* without Brian’s “special sauce”. Jesus, it sounds like a McDonald’s order!
The Mick Taylor years are the sweet spot of the Rolling Stones discography. There have been great albums on both sides of him, but those were the best, imo.
One thing all of you didn't do,not baby him,but help him,I think everyone of you understand where I'm coming from,and if not,think about it,he loved all of you.
Just the fact that they made an album as good as Beggars Banquet (arguably their best, and certainly one of their best) and then didn't tour it says a lot about how much Brian was holding them back.
Without Brian jones rolling stones just sound like your everyday rock band. That's the only reason why rolling stones is loved because of Brian and his versatility in instruments which was never done before in rock so it was a game changer. Even mick carried the stones in his days so in better words the stones is trash.
Itu opini Anda, selepas kepergian nya rolling Stones tetap bisa mengimbangi era hard rock 70 an yang di gawangi zeppelin, purple,sabbath, pendiri tidak selamanya benar
even if brian didnt go off the rails , I find it hard to imagine him on the 69 US tour , when the stones had become a guitar driven band . I cant imagine him at altamont , plucking away at the sitar
Those who have been given everything in this life can't find it in themselves to be kind to a deceased comrade. It is telling. All they do, seemingly, is seek to build themselves up by tearing him down. What are they compensating for?
My first Stones 45 was Paint it Black/ Under My Thumb , I wore out the single but I somehow held onto the picture sleeve. My first Stones album was Between the Buttons great music I miss all the great music made from the mid 60's to the mid 70's. Great era of music.
It's not talked about alot, but Brian kinda thought he was the boss, the manager. He often stayed in different hotels because he thought he was different.
lindsey lefrois he was constantly withdrawing money from the band account when he was having his house remodeled, having the workers redo everything they worked on.
According to a biography I read, he was also taking a larger cut than the other band members of the money they made from their early paid gigs. He considered himself to be THE leader of the band and when Mick and Keith became such a strong songwriting team he was very jealous and emotionally checked out.
@kevin Malone: I only know that Mick and Keith arranged to keep paying him for a while after he was sacked, a fairly generous sum per year, or month. Is that what account he was withdrawing from?
That is true but from what I read, he was withdrawing money from the band office and account in London while he was in the band. Although he was sacked right before he died so I'm not sure how those payments went! The house he bought from Winnie The Poo author Milne
A guy who couldn’t write a single song. A guy who was jealous over having people around him that could write the songs that made them famous. A guy who was responsible for the band not being able to tour the USA because of his drug conviction. A guy who was totally selfdestructive and unfunctional. A genius? Yes, in being selfdestructive and being jealous over people.
Well, he did add to their "You Know My Name" track in 1967. Brian would have been a better fit for the Fabs than John's choice for a fifth member in early '69. How would George add a guitar solo to talentless screeching?
As in all things in life, ya gotta show up. We're not much help passed out on a chair, with a lit smoke hanging from our lips, sucking all the energy out of the room. Ya gotta show up for work ready to go, no matter who you are.
@@777jones 27yrs old. Very talented on multiple instruments of course, but 'genius' is too strong a word for his abilities. It's not as though he took the Blues in a new direction like Hendrix did for example!
He was certainly a talented musician, no denying it. But I've known a few talented people who weren't the hassle of keeping them on. Just like any job, you can have a carpenter on your crew who is extremely skilled, but if he's out boozing every night and habitually doesn't show up for work, and when he does he's hung over or still drunk, he's gotta go. Even if he's a founding member of the business, he's become a liability rather than an asset.
@@stevearmin5346 doesn't really matter when the rest of the crew is loaded as well. They all should have been fired in that case. Brian wasn't into heroin like the other guys were that was the only issue. Thank Anita for that.
I remember the day the Stones came out in America.I was 13..For me it’s been a hell of a ride.Im 70 now...You will never see this kind of a period again it’s a 1 time deal.Beatle Stones etc.It was amazing for us kids at the time.We did some changing.
Wingnut conspiracy theories aside, I think the man of few words--Charlie--sums it up the best both times. Very sad. I've known people like Brian. None of them are here today.
@reviewloop I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Brian was very ill at that time and had moments of passing out. It's possible that's one of the things that could have happened. Excuse the expression but it sounds like he just dropped like a stone into the water and drifted to the bottom, unconscious. I experienced passing out in water but thankfully after my head went under it jolted me awake. If I had been even slightly more zoned out I wouldn't be here writing this now.
He was beautiful! I never knew it. My other favorite band, Pink Floyd features a similar story. Casualties. I've outlived almost all my friends myself! God bless us all. The Stones just keep getting better. We should all be so lucky.
And while Mick and Keith ran Brian down, telling everyone how difficult he was, others like George Harrison have always maintained that Brian was a really nice guy. Something doesn't add up here.
@@moniquedouglas2448 it's the same old argument that's been around for 60 years, Brian got treated badly and the substance abuse got worse so he couldn't play. The glimmer twins seized their opportunity I guess aided by the manager. Did Jones turn to drugs due to bullying? The glimmer twins say no. What where the twins supposed to do? Stop playing or carry on the plan to be the biggest band in the world. It's a classic case of every story has two sides. Ultimately very sad. I've been in bands at pub level for years and the amount of backstabbing even at pub level is nothing short of stupidity
Stones had 9 #1hits in 6 years with brian,they had 3#1hits in last 50 years without him. Stones are just a bunch of 80 year old men playing 60 year old songs now.
I always saw Brian Jones as the caterpillar to the butterfly the Stones became. No one remembers or reminisces about the caterpillar or gives it credit. All this caterpillar did was hire the band, chose its name, gave focus to, and provided his virtuoso talent and exquisite taste during the band’s youth. He was the parent who gave the band the childhood he dreamed of having but never did.
Brian was incredibly talented and added a lot of cool music to the Stones, but he was a mess by 68, you only have to watch the Rock and Roll Circus DVD, to see how far he was down. Barely scratching the guitar though he did play some nice slide on NO Expectations. Sad ending for Mr. Jones.
How sad is this? Keith, Mick & Charlie, obviously loved Brian. Just look at the pain in their faces at talking about him. Wonderful talent, all of them. Keith is still alive??? Take it to the limit, Keith. RIP Brian Jones.
bullcrap...keith would show up with anita and make out with her and Brian sitting there. Then keith wondered why he wouldn't show up. When he did play, they would put him in the booth and not even turn on the recording equipment or when Brian left they would record over what Brian did. They were inhumane in the way they treated Brian. And they still lie about it. Refused his legacy. They stole from him after Brian died and the music he was working on they burned in Brian's yard.
@@ronnieron9912 lets be honest, the albums without brian like sticky fingers, exile on main st, let it bleed, some girls, goatshead soup are the best albums their made. The only really good albums with brian are beggers banquet and aftermath
I either read or saw in a documentary that Brian enjoyed talking about the Holy Bible with either a Maid or Neighbor?:)God Bless Indeed:)Check out Charlie Is My Darling-Rolling Stones doc. a'la Bob Dylan Don't Look Back-black&white-I think about Brian a lot-his musicality still inspires-Jagger&richards -not so much:)
You know, what this makes me think about, is how it is so different now than it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, or even 90's. Now, a band would try to get someone help instead of just firing them for being very strung out on drugs or alcohol and becoming despondent or unable to function or depressed, etc. The same thing happened with Guns N' Roses and Steven Adler. Back then it wasn't really about trying to help the person it was just about moving on and getting someone else. It wasn't that they didn't care at all, but in a lot of ways, it is what Jagger said in this clip. He said, (not a flat-out quote here) ... it wasn't working, and we had to move on, but looking back, it seems like we could have done something or should have done something to try and help. Yes. They should have. Cause who was it? One of them said that they took the one thing away from him that he still had - which was the band and the music. It was the same way with Steven Adler. The worst thing that could happen to him when he was struggling with the addiction was to lose the one thing he had which was the band. I am a huge Stones and GNR fan, so I honestly do not mean any disrespect to them when I say this, and I know it is hard when you are in the middle of it all and you are actually drinking or doing drugs too and you don't understand why you can handle it and they can't. But it affects everyone differently. Not everyone can do drugs and live through it or come out of it and remain productive or not get depressed. Even Slash admitted that they didn't care about Steven's health back then and they just wanted to get on with the record. But it was a bad decision. Because there were too many changes happening at once I think and they didn't think about it in the long term. He was actually beginning to get better but going to rehab only one time for not a very long period of time, actually, doesn't usually do the trick when you are addicted to hard drugs like heroin and crack-cocaine, which Steven was. So, it is sad when this happened in groups in the past. I think they should have tried to get him help instead of just firing him, and the same goes for GNR. I do know GNR let him go to rehab and when he came back, they said he was on drugs and couldn't play. But Steven said he actually was not on drugs but was taking the Methadone treatments and it was making it extremely hard for him to concentrate. Basically, he just came back too soon. I think they should have given him drug tests and put that in the contract. Then if they saw he was only on methadone and he could have explained it was the methadone that was causing the problems, maybe they could have just hired someone else to record the album but let Steven come back. Anyway, it is just a shame that bands didn't try to get help for each other back then and really give each other a chance. I do think things are a lot different now. I mean, there is a difference between not giving a crap and being addicted and going through dependency issues that you need help with. Because then that member just gets worse. Because they lost the one thing they had and on top of that, they lost all those close friends they were in the band with. Your band is like your family. You spend a ton of time with them. So, you are also lonely on top of the fact you are fired and addicted to drugs. It's sad. But I love the Stones and GNR and I know that it isn't easy to make those decisions when you have to make them. And I think it is even harder when it comes down to the fact that everyone except for one person in the band is using too. You aren't thinking as clearly as you need to either.
Sad. Drugs are the devil's trap. People like Jones, Hendrix etc. enter maybe innocently, but unwisely due to their youth and end up paying the piper. Too many die young with a lot of musical gifts still to give to the world.
Kind of odd not one of them mentioned his talent or what he taught and done for them musically he played multiple instruments. Richards knew 3 chords at the time and could hardly play. Sad story...
Its more than a bit presumptuous to assume Keith only learned from Brian. Virtually everybody in a rock band at that time started out knowing nothing. The Beatles couldn't read music. Keith was fantastic at coming up with the main lick and line - that's not something that can be taught and certainly not by Brian. Though I did read that he lifted the beginnings of Ruby Tuesday from Brian which certainly was a crime. Many of bands top song writers didn't give credit to other band members who helped them write songs. Look at all the songs George Harrison contributed major pieces to by Lennon and McCartney. Brian's position in the band was a lot like Georges. And later on Mick Taylor only got writing credit from one song even though he greatly changed their whole style. I'm no fan of Ronnie Wood.
@@samatoid some very good points. I can agree he didn't only learn from Brian. It mostly makes me angry that they rarely have anything good to say about Brian.
“Brian’s pioneering status as a musician has become steadily less obvious thanks to the very success of his mission. The blues and world music that he championed and dragged into the mainstream have become so ubiquitous that we all suffer a hindsight bias-we find it impossible to imagine what the world was like without this music. As counter-intuitive as it might seem, this is proof of Brian’s accomplishment.”-Sympathy for the Devil by Paul Trynka
I watched the Stones dozens of times in 1963 and sure enough, once Brian wasn't there, they were never the same. A great band regurgitating the same old stuff. I listen to Bill Wyman's stuff with more enthusiasm now. He had the guts to leave and do something different.
very true, despite the band being very successful, they were never an influential band like led zep or the Beatles, they just played the same old stuff year after year.
When Keith Richards says you're overdoing it on the drugs, you're REALLY overdoing it on the drugs.
Gregory Eatroff most underrated comment on yt✌️
Right on.
Gregory Eatroff the biggest difference between The Beatles and the Rolling Stones, The Beatles took care of each other until they got married!
for certain. I LOVE Keith but he has taken full advantage of the roots that were laid down for him ( not saying he did not help lay the roots) by Both Brian Jones and then when Keith reached a peaked in the Mick Taylor years, obviously the BEST stuff - although I am a fan of pre Taylor also. There is a part of me in listening to Keith's interviews that makes me think he was always just a bit threatened by someone who might just be that much more talented than him. I am not trying to downplay Keith, I saw him at a solo tour after the release of Talk is Cheap in 1988 and I was in front of the stage - my little sister and I met a couple of guys and I was pressed up against a speaker - I think it was either Aragon Ballroom or The Riviera I can't recall just now, but honestly, that show was really one of the best live shows I ever saw. December, I drove down to Chicago from Milwaukee in the snow in my 1977 Camaro, did not think we would get there in time or at all - and ended up squeezing our way to the front (as I did at least 99% of the time) Really fantastic musician. But I just get that feeling about him. And isn't this a clip from Crossfire Hurricane? I have that laying around somewhere. Not really that good of a documentary, IMO.
Haha yeah deffo x
In Bill Wymans book, Stone alone, he writes in depth about Brian and his relationship with the rest of the stones. Its very inciteful and worth a read .
The most beautiful work Brian ever did was introducing and playing the marimba on “Under My Thumb”
It definitely made the song
Marimbas, though, not xylophone, but yes, really added something special to the song (which, let's not forget, was a Jagger-Richards creation).
Surely you mean marimba. Xylophone doesn’t sound like that. Brian was so talented but in so much pain. It’s very sad. I don’t blame the stones for firing him. They were all kids.
@@DAODEA I respect the Beatles for cancelling lucrative tours to escape to India on a spiritual journey all the more. It’s was to help save their sanity. George was wise beyond his years.
@@DAODEA vibraphone
Having been a child of the 50’s, and a total Stones fan in the 60’s, Brian was always my favourite Stone. His slide guitar on Little Red Rooster and Sitar on Paint it black were high points of my teen years. I was devastated when he died, a year or two before Hendrix and Joplin. God, we have lost so much talent over the years...
They would have never made it without Brian.
1969: Brian Jones dies at 27 age.
1970: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin dies at 27 age.
1971: Jim Morrison dies at 27 age.
@@jairrr7597 Unfortunately that list has continued with Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse. Both died at 27.
@@ChaliQ1 BS - They would've been, and were, very successful without Brian.
@@acousticshadow4032 Half right. They were very successful after Brian (and even more so). But I wonder if they would have "launched" without him. Not only was he a good musician, he knew people like Alexis Korner, who helped the Stones get their first good gigs.
Charlie Watts on Brian Jones: "Sorry for what we did to him...we took his one thing away, which was being in a band"
well, that presents well. although not entirely accurate. Brian's behavior gave them no choice.
@@googoo-gjoob its somewhere inbetween. they couldve done more to be straight w/ brian & say look, your imploding. let us help you get straight, or we will have to cut ways. it seems it just devolved into cutting him w/ no intervention inbetween. yet, I will concede jones was a tough indiv to deal w/. he was also an elder to them & it just may have not seen doable for them to do. manag shouldve been more vigorous.
yeah Charlie speaks hes true feelings. but at that point the stones had to deliver on comitments. a really sad outcome for all. Charlie is the STAND UP GUY.
Charlie also said that Brian could be a horrible person one minute and the nicest guy the next. Brian got much nicer towards the end and that he felt sorry for him.
In a professional situation you can't keep dead weight. Brian was said to have lost interest by Stu and all other accounts. Mick and Keith were driving ahead with more focus than ever. It's not their fault Brian pissed off Frank Thorougood to such a point he killed him as confessed by he himself on his death bed.
Yeah...and Richards stole his woman! Who steals a mate's woman? Millions of woman in the world...you are a rock star...but you have to steal your bandmate's woman?? (yeah, yeah...ok..ok...Keith could have "saved" Anita from Brian's brawny wrath without "stealing" her...)
Charlie is one of those blokes that is quiet, but when he does say something you listen. 'Cos it's usually something wise.
Yes...
Kind of like George was in The Beatles.
Biggus Dickus You must be out of your mind.....
Not really. Charlie was the rock of the band...the glue. He's the one that kept it together. And they all respected him. Just because he wasn't as flambouant as the others doesn't mean he was a pushover.
Doneandgone - Totally agree. Charlie flip flops from one opinion to another.
You can sort of get a feel from footage that Jones was a bit of a *young* (people must remember that he was a kid) arsehole. He wasn't a people person.
Over the years, I've found Watts to be the most credible.
ironic coming from richard nixon
Richard Nixon if Charlie is critical.....you know you are really over the edge.......sad....brian had serious mental health and emotional issues
Richard Nixon me i will say Bill
I don't know about reliable or credible, but Keith is the most entertaining.
Actually Bill Wyman is.
He told the truth that Brian Jones was their founder.
Yet Mick and Keith take credit.
He knows better and it irks him.
Brian was such a creative force when it came to adding texture to the music. I think I prefer the Mick Taylor years, since I love his brilliant guitar work, but Brian did bring something to that band that they’ve never been able to replace.
THE WORK WITH MICK TAYLOR WAS THE GREAT YEARS OF THE ROLLING STONES....THE WORK DONE BY BRIAN JONES WAS THE ENTRY LEVEL YEARS OF THE ROLLING STONES....AND BRIAN HELPED TO MAKE THE STONES A BIGGER BAND
Someday we need to organize a showdown between the diehard Brian Jones fans and the diehard Mick Taylor fans. Both musicians proved the Stones are stronger and more enduring than either of them
@@slimturnpike Absolutely right!!
Mick Taylor was talented, but most of all was reliable.
Clearly the Taylor fans win as they type in caps…or maybe not?!
Charlie gives probably the most honest opinion about Brian Jones and his character.
Bill Wyman gives the most honest that you can get !!!
@@SuperAnimelover100 and also marries 13 year olds
@@69birdboy
Yes he fooled around and married a underage woman whose Mother allowed it but Bill Wyman manned up about it !
@@SuperAnimelover100 He manned up about peadophilia????
69birdboy ......Bill married Mandy when she was 18. Never forget, it “takes 2 to tango”, she was only trying to make a name for herself. Her ridiculous mother even accompanied the couple on their honeymoon.
My girlfriend, in 1989 got the job of a lifetime, one year as the live-in kindergarten teacher for Jagger and Jerry Hall's two youngest children. She lived and travelled with the family spending time in Mustique, New York, Paris, London and Bali, where she was maid of honour for Mick and Jerry's faux wedding. I, as a consequence, had the good fortune to meet Jagger, Richards and Woods on a couple of occasions. These were brief, friendly exchanges, not opportunities to observe anything of any substance. I did have occasion to have a beer with both Richards and Woods in 1991 in the very small bar of the Halcyon Hotel in London where we all were coincidentally staying. They were there to attend Bill Wyman's marriage to Mandy Smith. I was there on business.
My girlfriend signed, and has honoured, an iron clad non disclosure agreement that all employees of the Stones/Jagger sign. While she said Jerry had a tendency to let little tidbits slip when the two of them would drink champagne together every couple of weeks, her firsthand experience did little to enhance her knowledge of the inner workings of a typically remote Jagger who engaged with her only to get twice monthly updates on the kids' progress with their lessons. In fact her takeaway, after actually living with Jagger and family was, he was the consummate manager of both his and the Stones' legacy and mythology.
Support staff were kept at arm's length at all times and most were terminated after a year precisely so they couldn't get to know intimate details; details that could be shared with a hungry press. The point being, nobody here, unless they too have actually worked with the Stones, knows much more about the band than what Mick Jagger and, latterly Keith with Life, would have you know. Clearly there are corroborated stories from early days, press reports and so on. There are events that couldn't be kept secret but, by and large, most of what is taken as truth by the most loyal and diligent fans, is based on anecdotal evidence not fact.
While many here have done their homework and are intelligent enough to connect a multitude of dots to arrive at plausible explanations and conclusions with respect to the band's history and relationships within the band, it still amounts to nothing more than conjecture. So for all the name calling, record collections and friend of a friend accounts, nobody knows exactly why Brian Jones was found floating face down in his swimming pool. Nobody knows for certain the real impact Keith's addiction had on the band, why it was tolerated or just how close it came to causing the band's demise.
Given most of us have enough trouble sorting fact from fiction with regard to our own lives and careers, it is preposterous that anybody who was not there, who was not a party to the creation and crafting of the romantic myth that is the Rolling Stones, would suggest otherwise. Furthermore, the longer ago something happened, the vaguer the truth of the matter gets and the more susceptible it becomes to personal interpretations. So how about easing up on the name calling and pretence to knowledge and simply enjoy the different thoughts, feelings and ideas that loyal and knowledgeable fans are bringing to this discussion.
Yawn
I think Brian added a musical dimension to the band that none of the other replacements did to quite the same extent. Also he had a hip glamor and style to match Mick And Keith.The string lines on 2000 light years make it happen for me!
I grew up with the Stones ! and I never liked Brian, I didn't know why he was part of the band ??!!! I hated his hair cut the most !! All these years later everyone knows that the Stones didn't need him , he's gone and they stayed ,
I loved Brian but if you are in a band and people count on you, you gotta be there
He was
@@komsomoletz7238 His contribution has always been overrated.
Sure..... Keith was there always straight as an arrow.
Double standard !!!
We had to.....
The tour.....
Charlie said it clear, they took away his everything
And Keith also took his girlfriend..... Keith wanted a guitar band, done. Keith wanted a brilliant kid guitar player to boss around, done . They also slammed the door on that gentle and super brilliant prognathic piano player Ian Stewart, and out sourced the bass section once Bill quit, and yes!!! They had Charlie release a statement shortly before his passing saying basically that "the show must go.on" and lo behold!! the agonizing man had picked an ideal replacement!!! No fuzzing around and waxing on right or not so right, correct or not so correct like The Who or Led Zeppelin when their drummers died, a thing that would have had deletereus impact on the core of their lives: money, tons of money.
I agree with you. I heard that someone hooked him on the drugs and then regretted it because it screwed up his brain. I made a video for Brian Jones if you want to see it on my RUclips channel I made it a couple weeks ago.
yeah and you don't record over the parts someone does when they leave the studio. And you don't sleep with their girlfriend then show up every day loving up on her with him sitting there. They were just nasty and cruel.
R.I.P. Brian Jones. Gone but will never be forgotten by Stones fans.
Would you like to watch a video I made for Brian? I made a video for him a few weeks ago with the song they dedicated to him.
Brian made their mediocre songs into hits by being possibly the only real musician in the band
Naming the band getting the gigs etc etc
In the early 60`s it was the influence of Brian Jones that raised the Stones head and shoulders above the hundreds of other Rhythm & Blues bands around at the time.
Delwyn Williams
I'm seeing it that way now...after all these years.
The Stones were better when Brian was a member of the band.
Surely the band could have done something to get Brian straightened out,they put up with a heroin addict for 10 years ...hey keith
Mehhh I'd say it's the Jagger swagger and the killer pop songwriting that really made them pop.
Jones was pivotal to early stones. Founder and leader early on. Very sad what happened to him considering his talent
Jones was probably the most versatile musically of the stones . Taylor was hands down the best guitarist ever for the stones .
Taylor said they weren't giving him writing credit for the original music he was contributing. So he left.
“I’m sorry for what we did to him then. We took his one thing away...which was being in a band” - Charlie Watts
That’s a misquote. Charlie said “I felt sorry for him” but he didn’t say he was sorry he also added that Brian’s problems with drugs and drinking were too much for him to handle.
@@Viajealduende Didn't he just say that in this show ?
@@Viajealduende keith shouldve stayed away from anita. He shouldve respected that she was with brian. Young people make mistakes. It doesnt change how talented all these guys were.
@@manuelaguirre1062 Yeah she should've stayed with an idiot who BEAT HER!?
@@manuelaguirre1062 if they couldve known how short-lived her good looks would be they wouldnt have wasted their time..
My era, I remember him like it was yesterday. He was one of the bad-boys at the time, his image anyways. So talented to say the least, creative too. When he died it was really big news, especially with the kids who knew him so well. RIP.
Tom.... you must have some amazing memories ?
I bet you can sing the blue Mr Jones. Peace..............
I saw their 12x5 doc and they were revolutionaires in the show bizz, there's a iconic scene in the doc when playing in the Netherlands and the audience went to craze
Brian Jones definitely deserves some sympathy everyone has their problems
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World Star correct but Keith and Mick aren’t to blame like some people make out
michael clarke How is blaming two people for someone’s DEATH an opinion?
And if they had went the whole thing would’ve been the media bringing attention to them so why would they want that on a day about Brian?
Conor Dunmore
Sorry I misunderstood..I stand corrected,Connor.
I’ll take it down.
and respect! Incredible creative influence. Listen to Satanic. Brian is all over that
Brians brilliance is unrecognized here. Brian brought The Satanic Majesty! The Psychedelia! and great chops
"... He was a very talented guy, and I don't regret a day working with him and meeting him and putting the Stones together with him. I wouldn't have missed that for anything... Brian deserves credit for his drive in putting the band together and putting it on a solid footing. If the band had remained what our limited horizons for it were, which was a hip London club band, it would have been fine. But he pushed us to be more." - Keith Richards, Boston Globe, 1989
I love early Stones, Brian was the blues influence and I love that.
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Ya tru dat
Brian was very charismatic. Great musician.
Brian could play many instruments. Particularly the Sitar. Paint it Black is a good example.
They had better backing vocals when Brian was with them.
No Expectations is one of Brian's most beautiful melodies.Always feel sad after listening to it. RIP Brian. You are the Rolling Stones.
Maravillosa!!!!
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"Mick Jagger and Keith Richards didn't create the Rolling Stones - they were part of The Rolling Stones like all of us," he said.
"Brian Jones wanted to form a blues band and he enlisted each member one by one". Bill Wyman. It was his band after all. Brian (with Stu) was the architect and deserves more respect.
Bill Wyman talks a lot of shit. The truth is very easy to find. Brian did not recruit the Stones one by one. Bullshit, Listen to interviews with Ian Stewart, Dick Taylor (Ya know who he is? Not Mick T.) Dick Taylor could be given credit for forming the Stones. He asked jagger to sing with him and his friends (later called Little boy Blue and the Blue boys) in their basement band at his parents house. Mick brought in Keith, which in turn Brian asked them if they all wanted to join him with a new guy he found from the paper a pianist called Stu. Brian bought 4 guys from Dick Taylor's basement and added them and their repetoire with Ian Stewart, got them their first gig and named the band, The early Stones music were covers, mostly what Mick and keith had already been rehearsing with The Blue boys. Mick Jagger had learned to sing blues songs from a big black cook on US military base where his dad worked as a fitness trainer long before he met Brian Jones. While Brian deserves to be remembered for what he did do, his fanatica have overcompensated and way over exaggerated his importance. The Stones accelerated got better when Brian went down and many Jones fans hate that fact.
Josh S. Did you know Brian? You are just talking shit.
@Anthony Ballester
No I didn't know Brian or any Stone but I can gather information, add 1 plus 1, put two things together better than most who spew shit out based on very little information gathered and with a bit of common sense it all comes together.
Some Brian Jones fanatics are like a cult and can be proven wrong easily with just who did what and when. I've heard some say that Mick Taylor channeled Brian and other BS worse than that.
Just simply listen to Brian in the first 23 seconds here.
ruclips.net/video/leXg1XzyDGQ/видео.html
Then to the band where Brian pulled Mick, Dick and Keith from. Little boy Blue and the Blue boys. The original pre-Jones Stones. ruclips.net/video/ujatJ2yYfdM/видео.html
Then listen to Ian Stewart in this interview; Stu Speaks pay close attention to 2:57 ruclips.net/video/cNHg_rJrD8g/видео.html
Then just listen to the Rolling Stones original compositions With or without Brian Jones as is titled this clip. Mick and keith had more to do with 90% of the Stones best classics starting from their cover version days right through brian's era and Mick Taylor's who is a great guitar player but also overrated for his contributions. He himslef only claimed that he didn't get some co-credit only on a few songs, that which I don't doubt. Jagger/Richards were probably too tight but had their creative genius as well.
@@Viajealduende You're clearly delusional.
Brian was his own worst enemy.
Nonetheless, he was incredibly talented.
Peace and Love Brian - RIP ~
Everyone forgets Ian Stewart. There wouldn't have been a band in the first place without him.
Stu was the (early) pianist and the Driver...without Stu, of course, we dont go anywhere, youre right..
Well put.
kevindlinc What does chinese keys mean? Pentatonic keys?
Yes of course often ignored or not mentioned is Ian Stewart. Like where would the Bee Gees and Three Dog Night be without their superb Session and Live Tour Bands? The Bands were a lot more than just the Lead Vocalists and Lead Rhythm Section Players.
He was great on boogie woogie piano,a thing more country to rock,more Jerry Lee Lewis than blues.But he has a non attractive large chin.Oldham convinced Brian to cut him off the lights because of this more than because his musical talents.
I've heard the opinions on Brian's dismissal and death and that Mick and Keith were 'jealous' as if that makes any sense. Or even the crazy idea that they plotted his death. The fact is he had already left the band long before he was asked to give his voluntary resignation. He was in a downward spiral for 2 years and became a weight and a distraction. There's no doubt they were mean to him, especially Keith taking his girl but even that decision seemed to be justifiable as Brian was reckless, violent and destructive, and to Anita in particular.
It's well acknowledged that Brian was talented and made the Stones a better band, when he decided he wanted to contribute. However he was not the only thing that made the Stones great. Not everything is simple, black and white. No one in the Stones as far as I can tell dismisses Brian as an artist or a person. They just did what they felt they had to do in the circumstances given. It should also be known that after Brian's leaving the band he would still come by to rehearsals and talk about his ongoing projects. Nobody shunned him. They were on friendly terms.
Regardless of Brian being murdered, which he likely was, whenever questions arise about him, the remaining Stones all are forced into the hot seat of accusal and asked to question their moral integrity about anything they might have done to contribute to Brian's death. Obviously Mick and especially Keith struggle with this fèeling to some degree. Keith seems to resent being forced to answer the question and wants to distance himself from having to explain past decisions which were loaded with circumstance. Keith knows, as do many people, that ultimately Brian was his own responsibility. The problems they had with Brian were created by Brian himself.
he was being paid a nice salary after being fired for as long as the band existed, they didnt leave him high and dry at all. I believe too that he was murdered, he had much to live for and even though the autopsy said his organs were damaged, which might notve even been correct cause this was all a long time ago in medical history, he very well may have eventually gotten his addictions in check, many people are out of control in their 20s. People who know the Stones know that even after death, he was the Stones. His legend made them a legend.
I don't think that Keith and mick plotted his death but they could have saved him, right before he died he asked them to take him to the hospital and they told him to F off I defiantly think they could have saved him.
@@henrikcolemanworkshop they werent around when he died and he was swimming, why hospital?
@@joejones9520 Brian called them 2 weeks before he died
How do you know about brian coming to the studio? I’ve never heard of it
Brian started the group & his contribution to their early records cannot be overstated. I only ever saw them live after Brian had gone, but it has become apparent over the years that Mick Taylor’s playing drove them to a live performance peak they never really reached again.
Love the Stones. They've successfully produced so much varied music. Unbelievable catalog.
Brian was good at the beginning, no doubt about it.he handle all of the business for the early day's of the Stones.and he played well. RIP Brian ☀️
The early years with Brian produced some phenomenal ground breaking music. He was the one who inspired the music and led the way with his creative genius. In many ways he opened the minds of the other members and they took off running with it. They became good at it without him. The Stones no longer needed him and did not want to be dragged down by his numerous problems. Sad but he brought it on himself. Step in Mick Taylor - perfect!
what they did to Brian was cruel and inhumane.
My fav Stones stuff was when Brian was in the band.
One of my favorites was Under My Thumb
I like that era too but the Taylor era was great too. After that they sort of became a trend hopping band and then a nostalgia act.
@@Vichedges The Stones best era was definitely from Beggars Banquet (1968) to Goats Head Soup (1973). So, it basically didn't involve Jones, who did not really contribute to BB.
@@jonburrows8602 I thinkThe Stones best era was from 1973 to 81, with Goats Head Soup, It's Only Rock'n Roll, Black and Blue, Some Girls, Emotional Resque and Tattoo You. Black and Blue 1976, that was the peak. Hot Stuff.
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No matter how you shape it, it’s sad that such a talent was lost at such a young age and it’s sad that a life ended so young.
Without Brian their would be no Rolling Stones! I hope Mick and Keith know this.
oh yea, they know it!
Right....
Mick Jagger probably would've ended up working at some Fast Food joint & Keith would've just been some obscure guitarist for a no name band..,,,, Right, you keep believing that
@Doc Santoro They never would have had all of those hits in the 60's if it wasn't for the Multiple instruments he played on those hits so fuck you you moron.
@@znuswumriken4213 Because you don't realize the hits came from him being a talented Multi instrument Musician which he was given no credit for.
@Doc Santoro I don't believe I said they didn't write compose or even produce many great songs,I said without Brian and him getting them gigs and pushing their name who knows what would of happened. I can be right as well as you! And IMO the band was at it's best during the Mick Taylor years, But the early years it was Brian's band .Bill Wyman even said as much!
The heart and soul of The Rolling Stones.
Hope you are finally at peace, Brian.
If he's not at piece then he'll never be then. 👅👅👅👅💨💨💨💨
Almost 50 years now. WOW !!
I know, right? It's like my parents talking about Tommy Dorsey's death. That wasn't even quite fifty years.
no one mentioned that Brian Jones hired all the other band members, he found the rolling stones
Jim Church he did just that and originally got them gig to play !!!
Jim Church Only Bill said
Maybe everyone already knows! No one brought up that he was a son of Welsh parents either because this isn’t what this documentary is about!
Brian is the founder of the band and he is The Rolling Stones.
@?? Yes Brian was leader til douchebag Andrew Oldham stepped in as the band manager and started to plann his conspiracy with Mick and Keith against Brian for band leadership toward the end of 1965 and after he was sacked, he never was the same afterwards especially after his death.
George Harisson: ´´There was nothing wrong with Brian that a little love and respect wouldnt cure.´´ This man was abused on emotional and psychological level for years. Read book from Laura Jackson on Brian Jones. Its true and heart-breaking.
The Beats knew how to treat him and even dare I say utilize him like they did. Audaciously they could of used him and adapted him into there interesting musical cornucopia.
Amen
Hey, Brian's downward spiral is ALL on Brian - not how he was "treated".
Sounds like George was projecting quite a bit when he said that! I mean, who in the Beatles didn’t get the love and respect he needed (it wasn’t Ringo, who I think was just happy to be there)? Thankfully George got many decades more than Brian (or John, Jim, Jimi, Janis and so many others… 😢), though he was still taken too soon. I don’t think anyone would have bet that Keith would not only still be be here, but still active in 2021 (*we’re living in the future!!!*)!
I read the Covert War on Rock & Roll.
-Every word Keith speaks about Brian, actually befits himself!
Keith se cree que es Dios Todopoderoso. Es un gran músico, pero como persona me parece repugnante y si no fuera por Mikc ya estarían muertos y enterrados.
nobody's perfect and Brian of course he wasn't, but he was an Amazing musicians,sensible,creative, dinamic and we still remember him this way ❤️
Pink Floyd had a similar issue with Syd Barrett, an original band member (arguably the talent) who suffered a mental illness that became more pronounced via drug use. barrett was possibly bipolar. Jones narcissism was perhaps clinical but both were in bands that were ambitious and striving for the peak, hence they were casualties. Mind you, both Jones and Barrett had a fan base and name recognition they could leverage to something else, that never happened. Dave Mustaine was fired from Metallica early on essentially for conflicts and drinking but was able to relaunch with Megadeth, hence the variable of mental illness.
I think Brian was the most musically gifted of the Stones, but he was broken before the Stones story began.
Maybe so, but when you don't show up, or show and can't play, what good are you? Keith had to play lead and rhythm guitar at most of the gigs between 66 and 69. Also, he was a MASSIVE douchebag! To top it all off, he was a woman beater. Keith took Anita away from him because he was physically beating the crap out of her. As far as I'm concerned, he got what he deserved.
Go and do some research. See how many guitarists cite Keith Richards as an influence and how many cite Brian Jones. Then come back and tell us again that Brian was the most gifted...
+Timothy Ehrler - Exactly! Not to mention that he was ineligible for a U.S. visa because of his drug history, so couldn't have toured the States with them even if they wanted him too. It's just bizarre that people don't understand that it's not possible to work with someone who is completely wasted all the time. I mean ... if someone showed up to the office late, and wasted, then they would be fired. Why do people think a band is any different? I guess people don't understand that being in a band is a job - a career - it's not just fun and games. In fact it's a lot harder than many other jobs because it requires you to be constantly creative. At any rate, you don't get to where the Stones did if you dick around getting high all the time. There are some excellent videos that show albums being made and people should watch them so that they can understand what's actually involved in recording an album. It's bloody hard work and it requires discipline...
he did need help!! I don't think he deserved to die so young... he could still be making music
That Jones was a "massive douchebag" and a woman beater are irrelevant to his musical abilities and importance to The Rolling Stones music. If you were to stop listening to rock musicians who were "massive douchebags", I dare say that your listening options would be severely limited. All I know is that more often than not, it is Jones' playing on Rolling Stones records that catches my ear; whether that be guitar, sitar, flute, dulcimer, vibes, piano, marimba or any of the many other instruments he could play.
When did the Stones "story" begin? It began in 1962 when Brian Jones put the band together. Their 1st album in 1963 topped UK charts. By 1965--after Satisfaction--they were massive in UK, US, Australia, etc. By 1968 -- all Brian Jones' years -- they had recorded 8 (UK) albums. The songs from these albums remain foundation of Rolling Stones live performances up to present day.
"Fame doesn't sit comfortably on anyone's shoulders" I think that is probably very true. I once read an interview with MIck in which he said that Brian's guitar playing in "No expectations" was the very last time when Brian was totally involved with the band.
I think the Stones couldn't have been as successful as they were in the 60s without Brian, and they probably couldn't have survived the 70s with Brian.
Agree, but we do not know what would have happened if BJ continued to play with RS in the 70's!
mick and keith should be ashamed for the way they treated him. how in the hell can you justify firing the guy that founded the band. mick and keith are ass holes !!!!
keith would show up with anita and make out with her and Brian sitting there. Then keith wondered why he wouldn't show up. When he did play, they would put him in the booth and not even turn on the recording equipment or when Brian left they would record over what Brian did. They were inhumane in the way they treated Brian. And they still lie about it. Refused his legacy. They stole from him after Brian died and the music he was working on they burned in Brian's yard.
RIP Brian Jones 🙏
The Stones wíth Brian sometimes were brilliant , without him sometimes very good.
Sounds like a very similar story to Syd Barret from Pink Floyd.
The comment was that their stories have some similarities - like being too fucked up to tour, Ect....
It wasn't about comparing the talent of two individuals who both were original members of two of the most ultra-successful bands ever.
How did you become the greater authority on judging the talent of Legends. You must be someone damn special.
Many of his fellow musicians say he could play any instrument you handed him and write a song on it.
But then Chief Kunt says he had no actual talent. I'm so torn. Who should I believe.
Greg I was thinking exactly the same thing. they both started their bands and were eventually kicked out of their own bands for drug/mental problems. Very sad.
Yes, but Brian was not on acid all the time. Look up the last song Syd tried to teach the Floyd! "Have You Got It Yet"? You will laugh. anyway, they couldn't communicate with Syd, but they didn't steal his girlfriend. And they stopped picking him up for gigs. Very different stories, same time period. Brian couldn't tour because of his court cases, and by that time he wanted to play R&B again. So it's more complex.
Or Peter Willis in Def Leppard. But he was lucky, he escaped a tragedy waiting to happen. He's a great guitarist, like Jones. You can give Pete a 12 string, a 6 string acoustic and electric guitar, he could write complex solos and rhythmic or rhythmically lead guitar parts. Jones was a multi instrumental genius.
But,@@blancobasnett , do you realize that, since Brian's death, noting of value has been written by Mick/Keith?
That's telling!
No Satisfaction, No Rolling Stones! Thank you Mick and Keith for writing some of the greatest songs in Rock 'n Roll history and to all the rest of the Stones and contributing musicians from all their periods. Thank you Brian Jones for organizing the band, for getting these boys to play better and giving them a much better name than their previous group, Little Boy and the Blue Boys. Although Charlie Watts didn't like the name The Rolling Stones at first, thank you Charlie for being the classiest low key and coolest act in rock 'n roll history. Thank you Bill Wyman for being also being a great low key but tasty and fantastic groove Bass player. Thank you Mick taylor for your great virtuoso soloing, thank you Ron Wood for being a wacky and funny personality and also for putting up with being a very underrated guitar player by too many ignorant fans, for being the greatest Stones fan and keeping Mick, Keith and the band together. Thank you Bobby Keys, Ian Stewart and Nicky Hopkins, best back up musicians in rock 'n roll history! R.I.P all of you.
Thank god for the Rolling Stones and that they still kick it up the arse across the world. Not a bad life for being 55 years together and defying the negative doubters since the very beginning!
Well said, that's all that's really necessary. Much love for the Rolling Stones forever!
Kitten Lyric Ya got anymore BS conspiracy theories? If so save them for your fellow cultists. Brian Jones was upset about Satisfaction because he knew he had nothing to do with it like so many other Jagger/Richards compositions but this one put them on top of the world.
And becoming total inauthentic shills in the process. The Rolling Stones’ REAL and authentic period from 1963-1972 was the only one that really matters imo, after that they became corporate shells of their former selves. They weren’t really The Stones anymore after Brian died, but Exile on Main Street was their last real album. Nothing after that is worth paying any attention to.
I don’t like many comments on Rolling Stones videos, but I will like this one.
@@curly_wyn
Sounds more like YOU burned out in 1972!! 😂🤣
I would love it if Bill Wyman wrote a book about his former band mate Brian. Since he’s the only Stone who says consistent nice things about Brian and his contributions to the group.
Get wymans book, stone alone, he gives a very accurate inside view of how things were with Brian and the rest of the band. He sticks up for Brian and still does to this day
He’s just saying the opposite of mick and Keith, because he’s bitter with them
Bob Bill Nolan he was saying it when he was still in the band
@@bobbillnolan7644 no he's not. Bill's telling the truth - he was in the band for 30 years so a fair chance he knew what was happening. Capisce?
Julian Mulligan: yes, I totally agree, absolutely everything people say in books and during interviews, is 100% truthful and accurate, at all times 😂
Even so, the Stones were more interesting with him than without him. He was key to their most interesting singles.
Fact. Brian Jones formed & named the band. All band members were recruited by him from HIS advert..He booked the gigs & picked the music. He was the driving force. As Bill Wyman said in an interview" people now have no idea how secondary Mick & Keith were back then. Brian was the most popular by far." The Rolling Stones will ALWAYS be Brian Jones' band. End of. People can have their own opinions,but they can't have their own facts. No Jones, No Stones.
Yeah, he was key until they began writing their own songs, then it became mick and Keith's band.
to jay reid....you mean the songs they called theirs but Brian wrote or helped write......even their accountant said that......Jones and Greene wrote most of 8 miles high according to Greene.....jagger/richards mythology 101
Max 820 All the girls liked Brian, and Mick and Keith were jealous of him .
No Jagger, No Keith, No Stones. Brian might have started the band, but without the star power & writing of Jagger and Richards, they wouldn't have been but a footnote in music history.
Jim M ...I use to think along the same lines as your comment until I read Paul Trynkas book on Brian....now I believe Brian would have succeeded without mick & keith...easily the most talented by far,wrote songs he never took credit for and taught those two the biz......no the jealousy lies squarely with mick & keith....the biggest problem I have w/those two is their rewriting of history and not being honest about how they really benefited by knowing and playing with Jones...
Very sad. An outstanding musician. He could play all kind of instruments.
Brian Jones,Syd Barrett,Nick Drake,Peter Green,Paul Kossef-A remarkably strange English musical pedigree that continues to give good afterglow?:)God Bless Them All Now&Forever.
Anyone else tear up when Keith said "everyone just looked at each other and said...finally." that was fucking heartbreaking.
Like they wanted him to die already right?
@@amauryagraz5842 think it’s more like finally because he’s suffering or they were surprised that he lasted that long don’t think he meant it in a bad way
in all likelihood, he was murdered
@@TheTommyfarm Nope , all made up by Tom Keylock who B.S. people in his army days as well !
I think it was a generalization of emotions, everyone sort of knew what to expect maybe…
Still. Nothing compares to the early stones stuff. Just not the same without Brian....
Most of the material from the early years are still the most popular by far. They are the songs one remembers.
I disagree, Taylor took them to a whole new level. I love both eras but they got along fine without Jones.
Ronnie is a great player too but by the time he joined they were middle aged and jaded superstars. Some Girls was their last hurrah IMO, after that they just became like a mediocre restaurant in a great location, the quality didn't really matter people were going to show up anyway.
@reviewloop Exactly. That is indisputable. The best Stones era was from 1968 to 1973 and Taylor was a member from 69-74.
The best stuff was with Mick Taylor by far
@@Vichedges Agree, but we do not know what would have happened if BJ continued to play with RS in the 70's!
What really bothers Mick and Keith was that Brian was the best pure musician in the band. He played everything and did it best.
bodensick he couldn't touch Mick Taylor on guitar
Bodensick; No he didn't actually. Brian could play but when you really know who did what, he didn't do all that much by the time the Stones were writing their best music. You can name Brian's contributions on one hand maybe two for all the brilliant Jagger/Richards compositions. Sitar, paint it Black, Marimbas on Under my Thumb, recorder Ruby Tuesday, hook line for the Last time, Slide guitar on Little red rooster and No Expectations and very simple stuff yet very pretty as well and a great guitar melody lead on the chorus of jumping Jack Flash. Brian for all his talent, was no Ry Cooder, Eric clapton, Page, Hendrix, Townshend, Mick taylor nor keith Richards on the guitar by the late 60's, he had been surpassed by most as he himself got bored of playing the guitar. He was very accomplished for English players in 1964 but his level didn't grow much from then on. Please feel free to add if I forgot anything. The meat of all the songs came from Jagger/Richards. Brian had some occasional special sauce, as did many more musicians who played with them. Mick and Keith were very happy to work with professional and superiorly talented musicians that added great stuff to their composition, Ry cooder, Nicky Hopkins, Bobby Keys, Mick Taylor, just to name a few.
What really bothered Mick and Keith as well as the rest of the band was Brian the person, not the musician.
count his contributions on one hand? what a joke. thats because they took credit for a lot of his ideas or things he wrote. in the very beginning days they weren't even good at playing their own instruments which is why brain taught taught them a bunch of stuff
Alexander Farzaneh .......Josh S doesn’t seem to like Brian (let alone ever credit the man with a thing) so he writes these essays in an attempt to educate us of the Glimmers importance. To my ears though, the Jagger/Richards “meat” was unfortunately dreadfully *bland* without Brian’s “special sauce”. Jesus, it sounds like a McDonald’s order!
@@charlessteenburgen Mick Taylor can't touch Brian Musically period!
When Keith says you're up in the stratosphere, bro, your toast
RIP Brian Jones. God I love the Stones!!
The Mick Taylor years are the sweet spot of the Rolling Stones discography. There have been great albums on both sides of him, but those were the best, imo.
One thing all of you didn't do,not baby him,but help him,I think everyone of you understand
where I'm coming from,and if not,think about it,he loved all of you.
Today is July 3rd 2019,- 50 years to the day since Brian died.
But the legend still continues.
Bloody hell fifty years, rock n roll will live forever and all of the stories that go with it
Just the fact that they made an album as good as Beggars Banquet (arguably their best, and certainly one of their best) and then didn't tour it says a lot about how much Brian was holding them back.
Nonsense.
Without Brian jones rolling stones just sound like your everyday rock band. That's the only reason why rolling stones is loved because of Brian and his versatility in instruments which was never done before in rock so it was a game changer. Even mick carried the stones in his days so in better words the stones is trash.
Itu opini Anda, selepas kepergian nya rolling Stones tetap bisa mengimbangi era hard rock 70 an yang di gawangi zeppelin, purple,sabbath, pendiri tidak selamanya benar
Wasn't Mick's and Keith's drug busts during the BB time line? Kinda harsh to put all the blame on Brian for no tour.
even if brian didnt go off the rails , I find it hard to imagine him on the 69 US tour , when the stones had become a guitar driven band . I cant imagine him at altamont , plucking away at the sitar
Those who have been given everything in this life can't find it in themselves to be kind to a deceased comrade. It is telling. All they do, seemingly, is seek to build themselves up by tearing him down. What are they compensating for?
My first Stones 45 was Paint it Black/ Under My Thumb , I wore out the single but I somehow held onto the picture sleeve. My first Stones album was Between the Buttons great music I miss all the great music made from the mid 60's to the mid 70's. Great era of music.
It's not talked about alot, but Brian kinda thought he was the boss, the manager. He often stayed in different hotels because he thought he was different.
Bill Wyman's views on the subject are notable by their absence. I know he certainly has some valid points to make.
In his book "Stone Alone", Bill said, "I never got any publishing. That's why Brian died as broke as he did, owing money."
lindsey lefrois he was constantly withdrawing money from the band account when he was having his house remodeled, having the workers redo everything they worked on.
According to a biography I read, he was also taking a larger cut than the other band members of the money they made from their early paid gigs. He considered himself to be THE leader of the band and when Mick and Keith became such a strong songwriting team he was very jealous and emotionally checked out.
@kevin Malone: I only know that Mick and Keith arranged to keep paying him for a while after he was sacked, a fairly generous sum per year, or month. Is that what account he was withdrawing from?
That is true but from what I read, he was withdrawing money from the band office and account in London while he was in the band. Although he was sacked right before he died so I'm not sure how those payments went! The house he bought from Winnie The Poo author Milne
He was the band's one true genius
Nah...just anothet overrated,dead pop star existing on his legacy.
A guy who couldn’t write a single song.
A guy who was jealous over having people around him that could write the songs that made them famous.
A guy who was responsible for the band not being able to tour the USA because of his drug conviction.
A guy who was totally selfdestructive and unfunctional.
A genius? Yes, in being selfdestructive and being jealous over people.
Jagger and Richards were the true heroes of this band
He was an above average musician who couldn't sing or write a song. You'd have never heard of him with Jagger or Richard.
It's Keith Richards. Without him there's no riffs. No riffs=no songs, period.
Without Brian Jones there would never have been the Rolling Stones !!!
their best period was with mick taylor. their best albums exile on main street and sticky fingers were made with mick taylor.
Or Ian Stewart
@Ian Wilkinson: I’m sure we would’ve heard of Mick Jagger and/or Keith Richard at some point…
They don';t want to say how talented he really was, could play anything this fella. Super talented.
Brian Jones should've been with the Beatles to add to their talent
Well, he did add to their "You Know My Name" track in 1967. Brian would have been a better fit for the Fabs than John's choice for a fifth member in early '69. How would George add a guitar solo to talentless screeching?
redletter2008
George Harrison and Brian Jones were good mates . George said so !
@@redletter2008 Brian played on 'Baby You're A Rich Man' also.
Brian: you are The Rolling Stones!!!!
Sometimes the sweetest and most beautiful of flowers is also the most fragile.
Syd Barrett was another.
Just like most of the forever 27 club, he gave us some amazing songs that will keep him alive far after we are gone
They can't deny That Brian created the Stones. He also was able to play all kind of stuff. A completed musician.
As in all things in life, ya gotta show up.
We're not much help passed out on a chair, with a lit smoke hanging from our lips, sucking all the energy out of the room.
Ya gotta show up for work ready to go, no matter who you are.
@Moondawg369 even a genius who dies at 25 can change the world.
@@777jones
27yrs old. Very talented on multiple instruments of course, but 'genius' is too strong a word for his abilities.
It's not as though he took the Blues in a new direction like Hendrix did for example!
He was certainly a talented musician, no denying it. But I've known a few talented people who weren't the hassle of keeping them on. Just like any job, you can have a carpenter on your crew who is extremely skilled, but if he's out boozing every night and habitually doesn't show up for work, and when he does he's hung over or still drunk, he's gotta go. Even if he's a founding member of the business, he's become a liability rather than an asset.
@@stevearmin5346 doesn't really matter when the rest of the crew is loaded as well. They all should have been fired in that case.
Brian wasn't into heroin like the other guys were that was the only issue. Thank Anita for that.
RIP Charlie Watts💔
That flute in "Ruby Tuesday" is Brian's witch work for the ages.
I remember the day the Stones came out in America.I was 13..For me it’s been a hell of a ride.Im 70 now...You will never see this kind of a period again it’s a 1 time deal.Beatle Stones etc.It was amazing for us kids at the time.We did some changing.
Wingnut conspiracy theories aside, I think the man of few words--Charlie--sums it up the best both times. Very sad. I've known people like Brian. None of them are here today.
@reviewloop I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Brian was very ill at that time and had moments of passing out. It's possible that's one of the things that could have happened. Excuse the expression but it sounds like he just dropped like a stone into the water and drifted to the bottom, unconscious. I experienced passing out in water but thankfully after my head went under it jolted me awake. If I had been even slightly more zoned out I wouldn't be here writing this now.
@Paul Grey He had an enlarged heart and liver. His puffy shape and face towards the end was the result of this.
@Kitten Lyric And you know this because....
I remember that Brian died when I was in Nam. I heard it from a radio broadcast.
He was beautiful! I never knew it. My other favorite band, Pink Floyd features a similar story. Casualties. I've outlived almost all my friends myself! God bless us all. The Stones just keep getting better. We should all be so lucky.
Amen.
It would have been interesting to hear Bill Wyman's contribution.
John Coles me too
John Coles Agreed because Bill and Charlie attended Brian's funeral but not Mick and Keith. I think that's telling.
Bill has always stood up for brian, Bill was treated in a very similar manner😷🇬🇧
And while Mick and Keith ran Brian down, telling everyone how difficult he was, others like George Harrison have always maintained that Brian was a really nice guy. Something doesn't add up here.
@@moniquedouglas2448 it's the same old argument that's been around for 60 years, Brian got treated badly and the substance abuse got worse so he couldn't play. The glimmer twins seized their opportunity I guess aided by the manager. Did Jones turn to drugs due to bullying? The glimmer twins say no. What where the twins supposed to do? Stop playing or carry on the plan to be the biggest band in the world. It's a classic case of every story has two sides. Ultimately very sad. I've been in bands at pub level for years and the amount of backstabbing even at pub level is nothing short of stupidity
The Brian Jones years were the absolute best years for the Stones.
Mick Taylor years were the best by far
@@loucifer323 have lots of respect for Mick Taylor. But the Stones had a lot of great music during the Jones era.
Stones had 9 #1hits in 6 years with brian,they had 3#1hits in last 50 years without him.
Stones are just a bunch of 80 year old men playing 60 year old songs now.
@@simballa660 yeah, the people who disrespect Jones need to be reminded about stuff like that.
In many ways Brian was the first rock and roll tragedy... Modern rock I mean.
That would be Bobby Fuller. He was forced to drink gasoline.
Mick Taylor years were the best in my opinion......but it's sad.....RIP Brian
I always saw Brian Jones as the caterpillar to the butterfly the Stones became. No one remembers or reminisces about the caterpillar or gives it credit. All this caterpillar did was hire the band, chose its name, gave focus to, and provided his virtuoso talent and exquisite taste during the band’s youth. He was the parent who gave the band the childhood he dreamed of having but never did.
That's an intriguing way to look at it actually.
Brian was an interesting cat, I wonder what he'd be doing today.
CARRYING ON BEING AN INTERESTING CAT I SUPPOSE......
Bums Harvest took over the stones completly
Bums Harvest He would still be dead. Addicts usually do not live long lives.
Fentanyl, probably.
Bums Harvest drugs
Brian was incredibly talented and added a lot of cool music to the Stones, but he was a mess by 68, you only have to watch the Rock and Roll Circus DVD, to see how far he was down. Barely scratching the guitar though he did play some nice slide on NO Expectations. Sad ending for Mr. Jones.
No expectations was and remains a killer track. Brian just came in and nailed it. Its a beautiful and haunting way to say goodbye.
How sad is this? Keith, Mick & Charlie, obviously loved Brian. Just look at the pain in their faces at talking about him. Wonderful talent, all of them. Keith is still alive??? Take it to the limit, Keith. RIP Brian Jones.
It's a bad business when you deal with people like mick& Keith ask Taylor
bullcrap...keith would show up with anita and make out with her and Brian sitting there. Then keith wondered why he wouldn't show up. When he did play, they would put him in the booth and not even turn on the recording equipment or when Brian left they would record over what Brian did. They were inhumane in the way they treated Brian. And they still lie about it. Refused his legacy. They stole from him after Brian died and the music he was working on they burned in Brian's yard.
The early years with Brian were amazing, such a shame it didn't end well.
Brian's legacy, that of bringing the Blues and World music to the mainstream, will never end. :)
Charlie Watts Said it Best We Took Away the One Thing That Was Important to Brian, His Group Once that Happened the Downhill Spiral Really Began.
He was the best musician. Able to play many kind of instruments.
Indeed
No. Keith was better.
@@nasircarter2195 Bullshit, lol
@@ronnieron9912 lets be honest, the albums without brian like sticky fingers, exile on main st, let it bleed, some girls, goatshead soup are the best albums their made. The only really good albums with brian are beggers banquet and aftermath
@@heyholetsgo9292 as someone with a big appreciation for the blues, I have to disagree
Never get to cocky because everybody can be replaced. No matter what business your in
Brian Jones forever young R.I.P and God Bless .
I either read or saw in a documentary that Brian enjoyed talking about the Holy Bible with either a Maid or Neighbor?:)God Bless Indeed:)Check out Charlie Is My Darling-Rolling Stones doc. a'la Bob Dylan Don't Look Back-black&white-I think about Brian a lot-his musicality still inspires-Jagger&richards -not so much:)
You know, what this makes me think about, is how it is so different now than it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, or even 90's. Now, a band would try to get someone help instead of just firing them for being very strung out on drugs or alcohol and becoming despondent or unable to function or depressed, etc. The same thing happened with Guns N' Roses and Steven Adler. Back then it wasn't really about trying to help the person it was just about moving on and getting someone else. It wasn't that they didn't care at all, but in a lot of ways, it is what Jagger said in this clip. He said, (not a flat-out quote here) ... it wasn't working, and we had to move on, but looking back, it seems like we could have done something or should have done something to try and help. Yes. They should have. Cause who was it? One of them said that they took the one thing away from him that he still had - which was the band and the music. It was the same way with Steven Adler. The worst thing that could happen to him when he was struggling with the addiction was to lose the one thing he had which was the band. I am a huge Stones and GNR fan, so I honestly do not mean any disrespect to them when I say this, and I know it is hard when you are in the middle of it all and you are actually drinking or doing drugs too and you don't understand why you can handle it and they can't. But it affects everyone differently. Not everyone can do drugs and live through it or come out of it and remain productive or not get depressed. Even Slash admitted that they didn't care about Steven's health back then and they just wanted to get on with the record. But it was a bad decision. Because there were too many changes happening at once I think and they didn't think about it in the long term. He was actually beginning to get better but going to rehab only one time for not a very long period of time, actually, doesn't usually do the trick when you are addicted to hard drugs like heroin and crack-cocaine, which Steven was. So, it is sad when this happened in groups in the past. I think they should have tried to get him help instead of just firing him, and the same goes for GNR. I do know GNR let him go to rehab and when he came back, they said he was on drugs and couldn't play. But Steven said he actually was not on drugs but was taking the Methadone treatments and it was making it extremely hard for him to concentrate. Basically, he just came back too soon. I think they should have given him drug tests and put that in the contract. Then if they saw he was only on methadone and he could have explained it was the methadone that was causing the problems, maybe they could have just hired someone else to record the album but let Steven come back. Anyway, it is just a shame that bands didn't try to get help for each other back then and really give each other a chance. I do think things are a lot different now. I mean, there is a difference between not giving a crap and being addicted and going through dependency issues that you need help with. Because then that member just gets worse. Because they lost the one thing they had and on top of that, they lost all those close friends they were in the band with. Your band is like your family. You spend a ton of time with them. So, you are also lonely on top of the fact you are fired and addicted to drugs. It's sad. But I love the Stones and GNR and I know that it isn't easy to make those decisions when you have to make them. And I think it is even harder when it comes down to the fact that everyone except for one person in the band is using too. You aren't thinking as clearly as you need to either.
Sad. Drugs are the devil's trap. People like Jones, Hendrix etc. enter maybe innocently, but unwisely due to their youth and end up paying the piper. Too many die young with a lot of musical gifts still to give to the world.
Kind of odd not one of them mentioned his talent or what he taught and done for them musically he played multiple instruments. Richards knew 3 chords at the time and could hardly play. Sad story...
Amen brother!
Its more than a bit presumptuous to assume Keith only learned from Brian. Virtually everybody in a rock band at that time started out knowing nothing. The Beatles couldn't read music. Keith was fantastic at coming up with the main lick and line - that's not something that can be taught and certainly not by Brian. Though I did read that he lifted the beginnings of Ruby Tuesday from Brian which certainly was a crime. Many of bands top song writers didn't give credit to other band members who helped them write songs. Look at all the songs George Harrison contributed major pieces to by Lennon and McCartney. Brian's position in the band was a lot like Georges. And later on Mick Taylor only got writing credit from one song even though he greatly changed their whole style. I'm no fan of Ronnie Wood.
@@samatoid some very good points. I can agree he didn't only learn from Brian. It mostly makes me angry that they rarely have anything good to say about Brian.
How the hell do you know how many cords Richard's could play at that time, you been reading Rolling Stone?
Gretsch Pimp These are random clips and don’t tell the whole story. Read the books mate, there are plenty of good ones.
“Brian’s pioneering status as a musician has become steadily less obvious thanks to the very success of his mission. The blues and world music that he championed and dragged into the mainstream have become so ubiquitous that we all suffer a hindsight bias-we find it impossible to imagine what the world was like without this music. As counter-intuitive as it might seem, this is proof of Brian’s accomplishment.”-Sympathy for the Devil by Paul Trynka
Excellent. Brian Jones was the heart and soul of the early Stones.
If Keef Riffhard is telling you; "you are doing too many drugs"...
You are doing WAY too many drugs!
Сколько лет его нет, столько лет его и помнят, он был талантлив и великий музыкант.
I'm glad they added the muddy demo version of Loving Cup. Gotta be one of my favorite Stones songs in their discography
I watched the Stones dozens of times in 1963 and sure enough, once Brian wasn't there, they were never the same. A great band regurgitating the same old stuff. I listen to Bill Wyman's stuff with more enthusiasm now. He had the guts to leave and do something different.
Love Bills solo material, wish the stones would have utilized him more in songwriting.
very true, despite the band being very successful, they were never an influential band like led zep or the Beatles, they just played the same old stuff year after year.
@@mikejohnson2638 Huh? Are you living under a rock? What a ridiculous comment..