The Rolling Stones’ Doomed Genius
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Brian Jones was the first in a string of musicians that saw the abrupt end of their lives at the young age of 27. What most people don’t know is that Jones’ demise was-and is-shrouded in mystery.
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Charlie Watts had the decency to go to his funeral. He was always a class act.
I always like Charlie. He was stoic, even-tempered, and pure business business.
He sure was
When they got the news of Brian's death, Charlie Watts was apparently inconsolable. Charlie Watts guiltily admitted: “We took his one thing away, which was being in a a band.
So did Bill Wyman
I met Charlie Watts in Montreal, Canada, in (I think) 1972 or three. I chatted with him for about ten minutes. He was a real gentleman, quiet and with a good sense of humor.
Mick Jagger and Keith Richards both had their own legal woes due to their respective drug use. Jones was no saint, but neither were Jagger and Richards. The biggest problem with these three was battling egos.
no, the biggest problem is that mick and keith together are nothing short of evil. They way they treated Jones and the way they lie about him now. They forget there are people still around that know the real story.
Actually, Jagger wasn't a big druggie.
Uh no, the biggest problem was that Jones was no longer putting his work as a band member first nor taking anything serious. He was the only guy who kept missing practice and who our not keep it together.
When he died there was always a theory that Jagger and Richards had something to do with his drowning? Just like Robert Wagner watched why Natalie Wood drowned 🙈🙈😭😭😈😈😈
The biggest problem was that Brian was unconscious most of the time.
I'm a fan of the early Rolling Stones, and that means when Brian Jones made essential musical contributions to the band. At that time you never knew how their new song would be. Which instruments would figure in them, which pre-world music vibe would be in it. I always knew that Brian Jones was the musical genius behind all that. As to drugs and all kind of rivalries, almost every group of these times was doing them.
Brian was the person that created the Rolling Stones in the beginning. He chose the music. He chose the name. He was the leader. He signed all the recording contracts, the management contracts, all kinds of things. He would pick up an autoharp or a flute or a glockenspiel or marimbas, and he would be able to do all of that kind of stuff.” Among the other instruments Jones played were the harmonica, sitar, organ, recorder, cello, trumpet, trombone, saxophone, oboe, and, of course, guitar. He made so many records successful because of that. Jones was in fact, the original public face of the band: the surliest and sauciest in press interviews, the most nattily dressed, the most lushly coiffed… and, most importantly, the most musically diverse. “I mean, he was brilliant musically in the early days.
I don’t care. Brian was unconscious with drugs.
My favourite narrator 🙏🏻
Jagger, called him manipulative, the tea pot calling the kettle black.
Takes one to know one sometimes
Robert Johnson was the first member of the 27 Club. He died in 1938.
To eke out my student grant I took a summer job that year as a deck chair collector in London's Royal Parks. My pitch was Victoria Tower Gardens. The Stones' concert was held in a part of Hyde Park called the Cockpit, also one of our deck chair pitches, that backed onto the Serpentine. The concert became a memorial to Jones. We saw a good deal of it stage-side and the remainder from a rowing boat floating on the Serpentine with a picnic hamper. Happy days.
According to one excellent biography, Frank Thoroughgood and his workers had been allowed far too much freedom by B.J. when renovating his home. Brian gave them pretty much the run of the place and they abused the privilege and treated the place like their personal squat! Brian was finally getting his act together and realising that things had gone too far, tried to wind-up the arrangement and get them out. Frank took exception to this and a huge bust-up ensued. F.T. on his deathbed confessed to drowning Brian.
Wow
I remember reading that account of the story!
yes, was going to say bout the death bed confession too
I bought that book, "Who Killed Christopher Robin?" (Brian's house used to belong to AA Milne and there was a statue of Christopher Robin there, Winnie the Pooh's friend.) Along with "True Adventures of the Rolling Stones", the most important book on the band
brians head was held under water until he drowned probably in a headlock
He wasnt the creative nucleus, he started the blues group, Brian Jones and his rolling stones was a common announcement....the other two had the gift of writing chemistry
You're forgetting buddy that in the early days he contributed so much and never got credited for that's a fact!
Anita Pallenberg largely contributed to the demise of Brian Jones.
No, I hint it is clear that Brian had a type of personality disorder from a young age. Who knows why? Maybe somewhere in his childhood his needs were not fulfilled. In any case Anita and Brian’s relationship was not healthy but she was not directly responsible for his demise.
First, our favorite narrator again!
I don't think Jagger's answer was twisted at all. I think the group's animosity towards Jones (who probably was afflicted with bipolar disorder) was the inevitable result of his persistently contemptuous attitude towards the group.
I am curious as to why someone would hear what was essentially a deathbed confession and then not follow up right then and there. Makes me wonder if he said it at all, because the fewer the details, the harder it is to prove.
I agree with you, his wasn't twisted at all to me either, that's just a click bait that youtubers do
Bill Wyman`s contention that Brian Jones` erratic and destructive behavior could have been due to serious undiagnosed medical problems. One of Jones` out-of-wedlock daughters, now in her 30s, is quoted to the effect that she suffers from epileptic symptoms that cause fits and mood swings similar to those exhibited by the father she never knew. Bill Wyman knew Brian Best . Him not seeing about his kids , was not good but i believe it was how he was brought up with cold parents and his unhealthy body affected him !
It was twisted. Totally cynical and heartless. May the souls of devils never know rest.
@@SuperAnimelover100 in her 30s? jones is dead 55 years
@@baxpiz1289
So true but the article was old. She was the last baby born.
Didn't He Start, The Rolling Stones, Group, ORIGINALLY????!!!!
Yes he did but he was no match for the evil of jagger richards.
He may well have been the guy who started the band, but he couldn't handle his part once they were all up and running as a successful band, what were the other members meant to do, all leave because Brian could no longer hack it?
He sure was handsome. I tried to get my parents to let me go to the concert but they thought I was too young at 11 Yeats old. I did catch Steel Wheels in Vancouver though.
Ian Stewart started the band
@@CharliesTrousers-od3lt Yes! He And Ian!
Perfectly logical statement from Jagger.
I can understand what he said, I was an egotistical idiot late teens early 20s. You have the trials of an unknown group that couldn't get spat on if you were on fire then all these people treating you like you are something special when it takes off, that's a huge dopamine rollercoaster ride, you are going to be a bit hostile to anyone who potentially threatens said rollercoaster ride.
Brian Jones did NOT start the Rolling Stones. That is a myth and a lie.
Jones TRIED to put his own band together but he was unsuccessful, only recruiting pianist Ian Stewart.
Keith, Mick and Dick Taylor had started their own blues band the year before called The Blue Boys and they made several recordings where the early sounds of the Rolling Stones are impressively evident. Mick's unique singing style and Keith's eclectic rhythm and blues guitar accompaniment .
Dejected by his failure to start his own blues band Brian got himself introduced to Keith and he asked Keith is he and Ian could join Keith's blues band. Keith liked the idea of having someone who could play slide guitar in his blues band even though he only could play a couple of songs on slide guitar...so Keith agreed.
Later that year Keith's band the Blue Boys changed their name to the Rollin Stones on the suggestion of their mentor Alex Korner of the blues band Blues Incorporated, just before their debut at the Marquee Club in Soho a job that Alex Korner got for them.. The name came from a Muddy Waters song called Rollin' Stone that Mick and Keith played when they sat in with Alex's band at the Ealing Club. Mick was carrying the album that contained that song when Keith and Mick reunited at the Dartford train station the year before,
Dick Taylor and Alex Korner were more instrumental in forming the Rolling Stones and naming the band than Brian Jones ever was.
The true facts are never quite as exciting and romantic as the myths and legends Journalists and book writers make up to sell their stories, but what I just laid out are the facts about how the band was really formed and how they truly got their name.
BTW there is no melodramatic shroud of mystery about Brian Jones demise.
He was a steady abuser of alcohol and hard drugs for many years and he frequently passed out cold after medicating himself with Booze after bingeing for several days straight on amphetamines.This last time he happened to pass out in his heated pool and he just stopped trying to breathe as he sank to the bottom. He didn't even have enough water in his airway to officially list it as a drowning in his autopsy report.
Drug users and alcoholics die from their deadly habits and abuses every day and Brian was just one more to succumb to his fatal abuses that day.
Many stories and scandalous tales were made up because Brian was wealthy and famous...
Dead, famous, wealthy people's stories sell a lot of books and newspapers.
That's all the hoopla and conjecture around his death are for..
I thought that Ian stewart and Brian started it together and that Brian put the ad in the paper?
@@Rich-ng3yy You thought wrong. Brian ran the advert in the Jazz News and Ian was the only one who answered the advert that was a serious musician.
Two guys who can't sing do not make a band. Dejected and unsuccessful at starting his own band Brian went to Keith and asked if they could join Keith's band and Keith agreed. That is the real story. The Blue Boys never broke up and none of the Rolling Stones members auditioned for Brian. Brian was one of the Blue Boys under Keith's musical direction. Jones NEVER" led" the band. It was always Keith's band as it still is to this day.
@@williardbillmore5713 Wow great explanation thanks
@@lacikollar64 Most of what has been written about Jones are sensationalistic lies. Don't be fooled by their prevalence.
@@williardbillmore5713 I only said that I thought he put the ad in and he and Ian started the band. I wasn't saying it was a already a band with Brian and Ian stewart operating as a band alone merely they were starting one up. I'm not disputing the things you said, it is well known that when they were kids they started little boy blue and the blue boys in dartford but were not that trio joining Brian and Ian rather than the other way round? Even if you're right and he asked them? Bill is adamant Brian started the band. I'm not saying it was Brian's band in that it belonged to him I'm asking about the genesis, simply asking because I thought that once they all started joining in at Alexis Korners it was Brian and Ian who first wanted to start a more serious band and get gigs, which Dick Mick and Keith were not initially doing as a unit? .. who first used the rehearsal room above the bricklayers? Did Ian and Brian use it first?
Poor Brian. Rehab could have helped him. He was the most talented.
Did he want to be helped though?
Jones might have started the band, but it was Jagger and Richards who were writing the hits. Jones had become unreliable and was contributing very little. They were right to fire him.
I was in Vancouver, BC visiting my aunt when Brian Jones died. My late older brother, about 23 years later, was invited over to Keith Richards' house, where he would spend much of the 90s and early 2000s. We saw the original lineup of The Stones perform live (NYC-1966). They performed 'Lady Jane' and ended their set with 'Paint It, Black'. If I remember correctly, my brother told me that the front door of Keith Richards' house is painted red (or, at least it was in the 90s). After my brother died, a message arrived at his memorial service from Keith Richards' business manager: A lady named Jane. I remember asking my brother how come he's wasn't in Keith Richards' autobiography ('Life', released in 2010). After all, he spent virtually a dozen years at his house. His reply was-"I heard all the stories that didn't make it into the book first hand.' For instance, Brian Jones was not the first one to be kicked out of The Stones. Keith was-in the very early days of the band. My brother claimed it was Keith's mother, Doris, who told that story in their presence!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@SuperAnimelover100 yes, hmmm!
@@romanticandperky Wow 😮
@@Emmie19 Yes, sure!
@@Emmie19 What is it that everyone says is not true? My source is my now late older brother; a fine musician in his own right, who hung out with Keith Richards at his house for a dozen years or so. He heard a lot of stories from him. But, according to my brother (who I remember as a fairly truthful guy), it was Keith's Mom (or Mum, as the English say), Doris, who him the story of how, in the early days of The Stones, Mick and Brian kicked Keith out of the band (but changed their minds about it, of course).
There is no denying Jagger's stage presence. And his voice. And his look. Natural rock star.
This is about Brian Jones not Mick but both were great to watch, Mick had great vocals & moves. Richards very was seedy to my eyes.
Brian was a strong lead guitar player and talent in the band. I was so sad to see him leave and then as legend grew, he was ‘bumped off’! Scandalous the truth needs to be outed though.
His VOICE????
People who don't really care about music need something to look at. People who do actually like the music don't.
Back in the 60's people didn't need to have as much skills and talent and from this example evidently even looks. Mostly about the drive and work to success and getting fortunate opportunities. Once popularity starts the mass formation psychology fuels the thing. Mick couldn't even dance. Plenty of other people could have been the successful vocalists for the RS.
I think Jagger's comments concerning Brian Jones are honest and fair.
You don't get someone "accidentally" pregnant. And then do it again.
It takes two to tango.
He forgot to use a condom.
The band had its first row when Brian Jones was on the phone setting up a gig. Jones realized that they needed a name. Looking around, he saw a Sheb Wooley record and said the band was The Purple People Eaters. Keith Richards (later Keith Richard then still later Keith Richards) objected and a fight broke out. After scuffling for several minutes, the band members voted and picked Rollin’ Stones (later, The Rolling Stones then The Stones, then tentatively Mick Jagger and His Sidemen [which Charlie Watts vetoed]). Jones (who was always Jones except for the several birth certificates that omitted his name entirely) never forgave the others but eventually took credit for founding and naming the band.
Never let your little head rule your big head boys !
Correct, always men's fault for everything when it comes to women... apparently.
Some observations, in no particular order. First is that Jones was clearly one of those people who was always going to plough his own furrow. A fine and wonderful thing, but there will always be a point beyond which it'll generate antipathy, and the more antipathy it generates the more some people are determined to carry on with that furrow. Drink and drugs exacerbate the situation, chronic substance abuse tends to lock a person more into themselves and rational objectivity goes down the tubes. That situation with Jones is a common one, notable similar examples are Syd Barrett getting the boot from Pink Floyd the year before, Sid Vicious ten years later would have been kicked out of the Pistols if they hadn't imploded, and latterly Anton Newcomb seems to be heading pretty much the same way, although I think he's more likely to be left by his bandmates (or maybe go solo) than be kicked.
Secondly, Jones' death will forever be shrouded in speculation. In general, when there are competing theories for the cause of an event the simplest explanation is usually the most likely, the further a theory is from that the more evidence will be required to support it. In this case the the most likely explanation is that Jones was just too mashed to keep his head above water and get out of the pool, there's plenty of evidence to support that and no evidence of murder, and according to Bill Wyman in 2002 Keylock subsequently denied that Thorogood had confessed. Make of it what you will, people will always believe what they want to believe.
Thirdly, the 27 club has been refuted by research, one study in 2011 found similar spikes at the ages of 25 and 32, another published in 2014 found that between 1950 and 2010 over two thirds as many more musicians had died at the age of 56 compared with 27 (2.2% vs 1.3%). A bar chart of age vs percentage published in The Conversation shows a familiar bell curve with 56 at its peak, albeit with fewer deaths before that age than after it, and over 30 ages with more deaths than those at age 27.
Finally, Jagger's comments in that Rolling Stone interview were a bit of a mix. On the one hand he admits that the other band members picked on Jones and that he (Jagger) was no angel in that regard, on the other he cites Jones' own behaviour as a justification for it (see my first point), and he also cites a contemporaneous lack of understanding of substance addiction as a factor. I have never bought Jagger's claim that contractual obligations prevented him from attending Jones' funeral, by 1969 he was big enough to take on United Artists over that and the public backlash against UA if they had taken action against Jagger for doing it would have hurt UA more than UA would have hurt Jagger. My own (highly personal) view is that Jagger's non-attendamce was largely a mixture of guilt and apathy but Jagger is sticking to his story and that's where it has to be left.
On the whole it's a sad but familiar tale and maybe, 55 years later, it's one that needs to be put to bed.
@mitabpraga7487 Why are you eager for it to be put to bed at any stage? There have been cold cases solved with evidence that propped up decades later. Maybe there is someone who is near and dear to Jones who would like to know, for sure, if possible.
@@MJ-hl1kk Re-read the last line. 1. The word "maybe" is a suggestion, it doesn't mean I'm eager.
2. It begins "On the whole". That means the entire story. It's nothing new, and it's certainly nothing unusual. People form a band. Over time things change. Some of its members might want the band to do different stuff, change this, try that. They find out the guy they thought would be a buddy forever is an asshole, whatever. Stuff happens. Disagreements, arguments, fist fights. Some get kicked out, some quit, or the band breaks up, and sometimes somebody dies. Sad and all, but that's the way it goes, it happens with bands all over the world every day. Newsworthy for a while sure, but as time goes on evrything that can be said about it has been said, there's a time to draw a line under it. Look at those muppets Gilmour and Waters. They've been feuding for 40 years, they're still at it and they're not going to stop until one of them finally goes to The Great Gig In The Sky. Quite why anybody gives a stuff about that anymore beats me, but some people are still banging on about it as if it's something important or even relevant.
3. To be specific about Jones' death I don't believe it should be considered a closed case, and that's not how things work in the UK. The police will always investigate any new evidence presented to them, they did so in 2009 after a journalist called Scott Jones gave them what he believed to be new information gleaned from several sources including people who were at the house at the time and from police files at the National Archive. The following year, at the conclusion of the review, Sussex Police stated that it would not be reopening the case and that "this has been thoroughly reviewed by Sussex Police's Crime Policy and Review Branch, but there is no new evidence to suggest that the coroner's original verdict of 'death by misadventure' was incorrect". The key word is evidence.
@@Emmie19 You've clearly put a lot of thought and effort into your comment, for that alone it deserves a few likes. I hink we'd agree that Jones was very much a fish out of water. The 60s was a frenetic decade, the world changed a great deal, especially for the younger generation, in just a few short years. It's easy to imagine wanting or needing to be part of it, but overwhelmed by it at the same time. Pallenberg yes, bad news all round. Dunno about Dawn, but I think Anna Wohlin was on his side. All Jones wanted was what the rest of us want, to do his thing, love, and be loved. As you say, it could have been prevented with the right support. It came too late.
The night he died, well there may only be one person who knows what happened and he can't tell us. If there are any more some of them have joined Jones and the rest aren't going to say anything they haven't said before. The only sure thing is that we'll never know.
The history of the 27 Club is part of the history of urban mythit's evolved the same as any other. I think its impetus was that Jones, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison (along with Alan Wilson, Dickie Pride and Arlester Christian) all popped off in a little over two years of each other. It's nailed on that somebody is going to read something into that. After that, it's largely a mix of statistical mean and confirmation bias. Incidentally, you may be interested to know that Robert Johnson is no longer considered the founder. He was beaten to it by a couple of ragtime pianists, Louis Chauvin in 1908 and Alexandre Levy in 1892. Oh and Rupert Brooke in 1915, but he's a poet so I wouldn't know if that counts.
As for the 56 Club, I'd be interested to see a list. My own completely uneducated guess is that most of the artists in it would still have had active careers. Artists can't stop, it's not in their DNA. Not much in the way of argument I know, but it's the best I've got 🙂
Brian was definitely the most talented stone!!✊🇨🇦
Dont believe he ended up in pool by accident..was his band he named them and was best musician.
At least he and the girlfriends had the maturity to allow the babies to be adopted. Those babies probably thrived.
What was so "twisted" about Jagger's response? It seems quite understandable to me.
But he had great hair!
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Excellent work. Thank you.
Jones had gotten so strung out he was dysfunctional. At least Keith was still able to show up and do his job. Heartbreaking and sad but I can see no way they could keep carrying him.
By the time they kicked him out he was contributing nothing, and hadn't been for quite a while. What were they supposed to do with a band member who was incapable of performing live on stage, would only rarely show up for studio sessions, wrote no material, and could barely even play an instrument?
Also the stones were heading to America on a tour, and Brian pled guilty to a drug charge and lost a chance for a visa. He had to be replaced. Taylor was already rehearsing with the band when Jones died.....
Best narrator.
They wanted to tour in America and Brian couldn't go.
Brian jones was the hottest stone .... jagger wasnt going to handle that
Did Jagger have him offed?
I appreciated a fairly complete account of Brian Jones’ story.
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day also a fantastic weekend ❤😊
See the movie "Stoned." It is a bio of Brian Jones.
Good movie....
Thanks so informative
You’re my favorite narrator!
Mick's response sound more confessional than twisted. Everyone wonders how good a career Jones might have had, but was his path any different from the other tragic characters in Rock history? Ego can be a toxic thing. It's a sad story which recurred way too often.
Mick Taylor made the difference. Brilliant
Agree, easily the most musically creative period in the Stones , inmo anyway.
And was smart enough to get out when drugs were being used a lot. He didn’t want to get caught up like Keith and mick.
Brian Jones's biggest problem was that he was a major league asshole with a weak constitution. All of his so-called defenders who come out of the woodwork never seem to reference the fact that all the stones peers in the music industry thought he was an asshole too. Genius? Hardly. The best description of his talent as a musician I've seen is "jack of all trades, master of none. "
Robert Johnson is the founding memder of the 27 Club in 1938...
Very informative and interesting! I have followed the Stones since their records came out in America and got to see them live 3 times! I know Brian was a very talented musician and it's so sad he was so yroubled! GBY. Jim
Mick stole his band; Keith stole his girl and Pete Townshend stole his style; the guy was left with nothing.
What the fuck does Pete Townshend have to with this? What a random comment.
IMO, Brian Jones self-destructed. You can’t blame Mick & Keith for what happened to him.
The 27th birthday is the beginning of the Saturn Return which longs for 2 1/2 years. During this period, people change from young to mature… or dead!
Brian was the real musician...he brought jagger and Richards mediocre songs to life with his superior musicianship in many various instruments...but he never received any song writing royalties...which embittered him ..
The band started in 1962 ,
Brian Jones was talented/adorably good looking. To a smart, more balanced young man it would have been a gift. All his personality flaws, arrogance, and lack of care about how he treated the women who flocked to him, caused grief/unplanned children. To him it was a curse. Why were drugs and drink added to the promiscuity? His band succeeded. He did not. In his drugged stupor, suicide might have seemed like an easy out.
Imagine how messed up your life must be to be too wasted to be in the Rolling Stones.
Only Keith the heavy drug user, particularly after Brian died. The others other than a little coke and weed tight professionals. Wouldn't be where they are otherwise.
@@steveconnMick Taylor was hooked on heroin. He left the band to save his life & his marriage.
@@bingsinatra5283and Ronnie was a crack head in the early 80’s
just goes to show, we don't always get what we want
Richards n Jagger sold their souls n Brian Jones was offered up as the sacrifice.
after talkin to The Beatles who sacrificed Paul in 66
I heard they ate him 😈😈
Many thing I wasn't aware of till I watched this video.
the group started in 62 not 69. I have album from 65
It all comes down to fanny at the end of the day. Brian got more of it than Mick or Keith, and that's why he had to go.
No. Sadly for Brian he was not able to play his role in the band. Sadly they probably didnt handle it well but they were all very young.
Even Charlie said Brian was an asshole.
Yes he did, but he put it in a very delicate, Charlie way: “…the trouble with Brian is that he wasn’t very nice…”. Class act. Most of the musicians who have commented on this video have known a Brian or two over the years and they’re always a pain in the arse!!!
@cassandraunheeded Of all the guys in the band, Bill Wyman was probably closest to Brian Jones. In his book, Stone Alone, even Bill discussed the difficulties they had with Brian. Brian apparently could be sweet and charming and then turn around and be a total jerk. Brian actually once put a cigarette out on the back of Bill's hand, so Bill said.
Bill Wyman is in contact with one of Brian Jones' adult children, a daughter, I believe. This person has a seizure disorder that no one else in her known family has. The disorder is apparently hereditary, and the daughter believes that she got it from her father, Brian Jones. Bill said in his book that this condition might have led to Brian's drug and alcohol use and at least some of his erratic behavior.
If i had a genie, one wish would be how did Brian Jones die? Jones was such a wasted talent. Great video of Brian, awesome as always.
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I always assumed The Rolling Stones hid their R&R Circus show because The Who were so much better that night. Decades later at the SARS benefit concert in Toronto, AC/DC showed the world just how much more entertaining they were than the Stones.
Jones just wasn't a very responsible person.
How awful.
Jones invented World Music in Morocco
They all took drugs but only Jones let it get out of hand to the point where he couldn’t function as a professional musician or person. He was a fantastic multi instrumentalist but he last played electric guitar on 1967’s Between the Buttons. Richards covered for him for two years before he was fired. He was very troubled just like Jim Morrison and many others. They needed serious professional help and didn’t get it.
The dude doesn’t show up for rehearsals and sessions, and when he does turn up he’s often too drugged-up to play. What can you do but throw him out of the band?
Same happened with Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd.
A Wild Group Indeed Full Of Energy And Still Going Strong 😉
well the evil of the stones, jagger/ richards are still going strong. They are the example I use when I say that karma isn't real.
In our minds, Brian Jones will always remain young and very cute. The same cannot be said of the surviving members.
@@KarmicSalt Don't give up on "karma". It is not over, till it's over,
@@heidibee501given that sage observation, I’d opt for “surviving.” One can hardly call it surviving…more like flourishing.
@@heidibee501…until the fat lady sings…
He started it in 1963! They kicked him out after the beggers banquet album in 1968 and as they were crossing the peace bridge for a gig in Toronto, they caught him with a bag a weed and they wouldn't let the group in! So in 69 they replaced him with Mick Taylor
Brian was a great musician. But as a person he was pretty terrible.
Hard to have much sympathy for him frankly.
Wellmickjagger sounds like a bitch.
So you knew him eh?
Mick got Marianne, Brian got Anita. Nuff said. Even tough Keith looked like a wasted heroin zombie after a decade with her.
She was a witchypoo 🧙😈🔥
This happened to Brian Connolly, of Sweet. Connolly went the same way by not turning up for rehearsals, and when he did, he was so drunk and full of drugs that he couldn't perform. He was later kicked out of the band too!
What a Sweet story 🤓
@@effdonahue6595
Not really; it went a bit sour for him!
I remember watching an interview with Charlie Watts the drummer and he said 'The problem with Brian was he was a horrible person'.
Robert Johnson was the first in the 27 club.
Nope, Howard Johnson was 🍨 🍦🐸
Why do people consistently mention Brian Jones as "the first member of the 27 club" when it was obviously Robert Johnson who began the 27 club? I just don't get that at all. They didn't recognize Robert Johnson for years as the master musician he was, and they still recognize the correlation of him being THE founding member of the 27 club, not that it's something you'd really want to be known for admittedly.
Still trying to figure out what positive societal or cultural changes occurred as a result of the 60’s. It seems that it all started to unravel back then and what we have now is its afterbirth.
look at how he was treated before they kicked him out of his own band. Yes he got messed up with drugs but those two were nothing short of evil to Jones.
No they weren’t.
@@cassandraunheededthey organized his death caused by a man supposedly in a 'handyman' role holding brian in a headlock under water and drowning him in his pool ..Brian although gifted was not well liked...he was arrogant and had a hot temper...shortly after brian's death the stones showing no remorse played Hyde park
he was drowned by a man hired to fix his swimming pool, who upon his death bed confessed to the crime, which was actually a case of manslaughter, dying while the man was harassing Brian, dunking him to death, Brian being more frail than the killer figured. I knew I'd find out one day, found that out years ago.
Never should have become
Involved with them in the first
Place!
He’d already fathered 4 kids by the time he was 20 and paid no support. Brian has been glorified as a golden boy. He wasn’t built for the long haul. He was very intelligent and talented but had issues. And the dope made it worse. It’s very sad. Kinda like Syd Barrett or Peter Greene. I’ve been a fan since 1967 and I always remember Brian always seemed fragile to me as a kid. He could be mean too apparently. But none of the back then knew squat about mental illness or drug addition ( of which they were basically rewriting the book.) it was a long time ago and it was really a shame. Cheers from Montreal
I believe and won't change my mind ,he was murdered.I believe it was not i vestigated because he was a heavy grug user and part of a wild group.
This narrative that Mick and Keith were cruel and heartless toward Brian and stole his band from him is ridiculous. Brian had become a dead weight in the band by late 67 and had increasingly difficult to work with. If Mick and Keith were as ruthless as people say they would have kicked him out in 67 but they kept him around in hopes he would get better. When it became obvious he wouldn’t and his contributions decreased to being nonexistent they finally did what they should have done 2 years ago. If anything they were extremely patient with him for the most part.
Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman who was the closest to Brian Jones all along speculates in his autobiography "Stone Alone" that Brian Jones may have been epileptic and perhaps a seizure overcame him in that pool that fateful night. This speculation is based on a finding that one of Jones' children, a daughter has an epilepsy diagnosis and the girl's mother has no family history of it.
At Jaggers drawn.
Imagine being able to pick up any instrument and play.
Obviously Brian was cursed.
Actually, Robert Johnson, original Blues guitarist, was the 1st of the 27-Club🎶 could be an excellent biography for you to do?.?. Dancing with the Devil~
I was in the music business many years ago, and knew individuals familiar with the band members. They were a great band, but a bunch of messed up missfits who brought dirt to the industry. Yes, they had a massive fan base and still going strong. Amazing, to say the least.
Created badboy Rock n Roll as opposed to the Beatles cutesy image. No Doors, Zep, Queen, Aerosmith etc. without them.
This is why I listen to Band-Maid
Thanks
Thank you so much!!
Jagger’s reply was not twisted at all. Click bait once again…
Jones was the only reason I liked the Stones, never cared for them again after his departure. The only beauty and melodies in their songs came from Brian. I do think he was a handful to work with. The Beatles were the good guys and the stones were the bad boys, I never cared for the bad message.
Jones was the genius and no there would be no Stones w/o Jones 🌹
I think Mick Jagger tried to give Brian Jones the kiss of life after he was dragged out of the swimming pool, and that's what killed him!
All within a month, my opinion of Mick has changed twice. First, I heard he often went to the handicap section of concerts, because wheelchairs didn't have seating on a lot of arenas in those days, and Mick gave out T-Shirts and 8 Tracks and CD's. One of his roadies admitted it. Then I hear this, and I have met a lot of crappy rich people in business. They didn't get to the top by being a nice guy.
Drugs destroyed the lives of plenty of talented people
Jones had too much talent for the rest of them, but their egos were bigger
Jones was a very creative musician, and an arsehle.
The Rolling Stones were ripped off by their management (Allen Klein got their publishing and royalties), and desperately needed to tour to make money. Brian Jones' drug convictions would have made it difficult for him to tour, and he was an angry, unpredictable presence. But worst of all, he would have received the same pay as Keith, Mick, Charlie, and Bill. Ian Stewart was already paid less, and Brian's replacement (Mick Taylor) was also paid less.
he was my favorite.
TRES Heavy!
How very sad….
It all started after satisfaction, they started treating him second class, in my opinion anyway I think Brian Jones era was the best stones❤
Even Charlie Watts in one Stones documentary stressed the point that Brian Jones wasn't a very jovial, nice guy. We are late judging the Stones members back in the day for any choice they made, as we really no nothing of their dynamics. And we know Brian was quite out there. Bill Wyman has talked a lot for Brian, but he's always been really jealous of Mick and Keith, so I don't find him very objective. Besides his character is pretty dubious, sexwise.
I met Brian a few times in the 60s & he was perfectly ok. He was obviously changed by the takeover of his band but I think the final straw was Keith nicking his girlfriend. I have never forgiven business man Mick for his insensitive attitude to Brian