An Underwhelming Follow-Up | Persona 5 Royal Review Series
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- While on its own its good, May-darame ends up being a disappointing follow-up to the amazing Kamoshid-April.
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Catch-Up
1:48 Momentos
4:50 Pre-Palace
9:23 Palace
11:27 THAT Scene
17:44 Presentation
21:34 Stealing Madarame's Heart
24:09 Post-Palace
26:21 Final Thoughts
28:32 Outro
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On the point of madarame not feeling sufficiently established and how we never see his abuse, we do, it's just in a way that might be easy to miss if you don't have the right experience with it. I have gone through a lot of psychological abuse from my own father, gaslighting, devaluation, guilt tripping and plenty more, so believe me when I say that almost all of the dialogue between yusuke and madarame (especially shadow madarame) are expert recreations of how some abusers will manipulate their children and could very easily teach a victim that they're being abused and need to escape. It's an excellent portrayal of parental abuse.
The way the scenes are written are accurate, I agree, my problem is that we never see Madarame do these things. I don't believe we sufficiently see Madarame manipulate and psychologically abuse Yusuke, we only see the result of it. It feels like we don't get the full picture until its too late for it to work for me.
@@Macca fair enough but you can't really show something like the kind of abuse the writers are clearly pulling from. It's a very long, drawn out process that spans years of very subtle conditioning that can only be understood from within, it's invisibility to outsiders being why it persists for so long, so making it understandable to a general audience would be inauthentic and take away from how it could teach abuse victims to escape.
Also, it would likely change the players motivation from exposing madarame to saving yusuke, which would teach the very harmful lesson that someone is coming to save the victims which is only true for the luckiest of the lucky. This would change yusukes story from realising he's being abused, escaping by his own will to do so and continuing on in life, to being rescued and losing his agency in his emancipation.
@@Macca no we do; it’s just so subtle that it’s easy to miss
Thank god I’m not the only person that thought the way Jose’s name is pronounced was weird. I remember hearing it for the first time and being like “why do they say it like that”
Yeah, I still pronounced it "hoe-zay", because that's what I'm used to, and I would probably die on the inside if I called him "joe-zay" even once.
i still call him “ho-se”. that pronunciation feels so wrong for me as a part mexican.
It's not completely wrong though, in Portuguese and French where this is also a common name (more in portuguese than french tbh), it is pronounce joe-zay
Bruh Jose isn't a spanish exclusive name lol
It comes from Japan's history with the Portuguese. The Portuguese and French variation of the name Jose does pronounce the J. If you're American it is understandable the you wouldn't understand, because we generally only have experience with the name through Spanish origins. As someone whose family originates from Luxembourg with a similar name, I can confirm that the game pronunciation isn't wrong.
I would describe it more as just “whelming.” It’s not bad; in fact, I would even go so far as to say that the Madarame arc is good. But compared to Kamoshida? Yeah…yeah, it falls short.
The way I would describe Madarame's arc is good arc that's stuck in a game so amazing that it doesn't look like anything special by comparison . I seriously think that if this arc was in any other game it would be seen as a great one
11:27
I feel like that scene has caused both an over-reaction and an under-reaction from the fanbase.
Ann is never actually in danger in that situation, nor does she strip, yet it is treated as she has been SAed.
However, the actual issue is how Ann was pressured into doing it and part of the joke is her being uncomfortable with it.
This scene would not generate that much controversy if Atlus had Ann took the intiative to participate in the painting and come up with a plan, instead of being pressured into it.
Thing is, that's part of her character arc. She does in the end come up with a similar plan of using her looks and the way others objectify her as a "strength", rather than as a "weakness", when you try to get the letters of invitation in Shido's Palace.
This is a recurring motif with her character, from the allusions and direct mentions of femme fatales, her "a beautiful rose has thorns" line, even something as small as how Ryuji tends to tease her about her looks, purposefully riling her up, only for her to turn it around on him in the beach scene and making him feel embarrased instead.
The thing about Jose and his name is it is an Abrahamic/Hebrew name, not Spanish. It isn't José. Effectively, it is an older translation of a name bestowed to one of Christ's four brothers that are the legitimate children of Joseph where as christ being born of God not being technically Joseph's legitimate son but still loved and cared for by him all the same. So yes, they pronounce his name right, but modern translation of the text says they get the name wrong as it now states that brother's name to be Joses, which is pronounced the same but you add a ZANEY S TO THE END OOO!
Yeah I agree that since Yusuke wasn't doing the painting as a way to exploit Ann it wasn't bad but since she was pressured and that it was right after a week's from Kamoshida does make it in poor taste. I mostly saw it as a bad attempt to humor or comic relief
While may was definitely a step down from April in a lot of ways one thing I do have to give it props to is its visual symbolism. April was a bit too straightforward with it, and even if it wasn't it literally told you everything. But May had a lot of, still not exactly subtle symbolism, but symbolism that felt good to pick up on. You already mentioned how the second half of the palace was entirely based upon famous artworks, showing how Madarame's only talent as an artist is in replication, but I also want to give props to the first half of the palace. The entire thing is just full of hallway after hallway filled with paintings of his pupils. I think what this one meant to represent, since it was the portion of the museum meant to be publicly viewed, is that Madarame didn't view himself as an artist because of the copies he made, he viewed himself as an artist because he thinks he "made" his pupils what they are, and his masterpieces for the world to see are those pupils. I think had we actually seen firsthand how Madarame would be bad enough to push one of his pupils to suicide, seeing hallway after hallway of his pupils staring blankly forward, knowing the abuse they went through, and being able to piece together that Madarame thinks he deserves praise for how he treated them that that symbolism could've hit really hard. It's just a shame that that's not what we got.
In regards of that scene, Ann is basically learning on the fly how to become a femme fatale, much like her persona Carmen. While clumsy and aided by Yusuke's naivete/nervousness she's empowering herself by using what she usually considered a hinderence and a source of social problems, her exotic beauty. Sure, the guys had to bring out the idea, but that's the tipping point of Ann learning how to use her sex appeal to her favor (something that's also revisited in her confidant), and in the end she realized its something necessary for their plan, it would've been totally different if Joker as the leader ORDERED her to do it AND done for their boys gratification, where in reality they guys treats it as mild teasin at worst
It's only a minor change, but I like how Madarame is in the manga. When Morgana scopes out the house tge first time he gets caught by Madarame and Madarames immediate response is an angry tone, yelling, intimidating face, and throwing a vase at Morgana.
This episode is a great reminder to never interact with the various fandoms on Twitter.
I really dislike how constantly ann is sexualized through the game by ryuji and other people
God….it’s gonna be so hard for me to go back into P5 Royal and see Maruki knowing Billy Kametz is gone ;-;
Rest in peace Billy. Really wish I got the chance to meet ya.
One really needs to be 16 years old to really appreciate Persona 5.
Man… that intro text about your previous video was one helluva mood… It was such a good video! It was “da bomb!” But now it’s just “the bombed…”
Still, though. This is pretty friggin’ cool, too. And the part where you talk about Jose is spot-on! I found it so weird that they pronounce it like that. It’s bizarre.
Ann does it because she doesn't want Yusuke to end like the Shiho or the pupil that committed suicide. Not because she was pressured.
P4’s Dungeons weren’t procedurally generated, thought the floors did look fairly same-y
13:01 Surprised my comment made it in. Thanks for showing off my and everyone else's issues with the scene.
Yeah….as much I like the story for next month (especially how Makoto’s arc was handled) I can’t really deny Kaneshiro is kind of lame. I think he ties into the overall theme of Makoto’s arc fine enough but other than that, he doesn’t have a stand out personality, his motives are basic, and he doesn’t really come off as threatening. Plus he’s even MORE underutilized than Madarame when it comes to showing off his misdeeds in reality, the only time that is kind of even remotely “shown” is when he catches Makoto…and thats it….his boss fight was pretty good though at least.
I think it would’ve been better if the villain for June was like a student on his payroll thats close to him and also has some ties to Makoto, like being a council prez candidate she beat in elections or something.
I... Completely forgot José existed, mainly because they axed him from the manga
Edit: in the manga, Yuske's... Yusuke? Last name, is sometimes Kitamura
I think the cars were meant to showcase riches or power, Joker met 3 villains pulling up in cars, in Japan, cars are expensive since you need to own a lot of land to act as a psrking lot for said car, so it could be a sign of wealth
Oh hey, there's my tweet lol
In all seriousness, you said almost exactly what I wanted to say about the $tr!pp!ng (gotta keep the channel monetized) sub-plot. If I wasn't restricted by Twitter's character limit, our takes would have been close to each other. Great handling on the topic, and probably the most nuanced take I've seen of it anywhere.
And of course, great review as always. May definitely could've been better and is such a crummy follow-up to the start of the game. Hope you're ready for June!
(Also you all need to watch the Chainsaw Man video.)
Hate to be that guy, but Jose is actually being pronounced mostly correctly. Jose is only pronounced the way you're thinking of it in Spanish and Spanish speaking places. The pronunciation they're using is rooted in the Portuguese pronunciation, which along with French and Luxembourgish uses the hard J sound.
I would know, considering it's my name.
What was that delightful 8 bit chip tune playing during your meandering confidant links rant? Sounded like a retro baseball game track.
My first playthrough I made it a point to not use guides as it was my first Persona game and I never even started Yoshida's confidant (the only one I missed) and only recently learned of it months after beating the game. More incentive for a new game+
José is also a French name, pronounced like it is in the game. Just sayin' 😉
2:24 hey I just want to know where this source of info comes from cause I’ve never heard anyone say this when reviewing a game. It’s not like I doubt you Macca I just literally never heard someone say/mention this
I love the series controllers, the dpad is great
In order to access true ending and third semester you have to max Akechi sumi and Maruki
Yoshida was one of the confidant that I was immediately looking forward too, of course people do takemi cause goth girl and also sells medical supplies
The argument about this game being fun to watch is so right. I got sold on the whole series just by watching my twin sis play og P5
Hey man i am the dante the friendly neighborhood egypatian thanks for including my comment in the video and now thinking about it your take is actually pretty good and summarized why I hate the scene
Nothin on messiah complex maruki?
Hoy! Even cringy chinned Walter thought the naked painting model scene was cringe. Like c'mon bro! It's not like Yusuke was asking for her to do soft porn. There is nothing tacky, outrageous or cringe about getting nude for art's sake.
Ohya best woman
I do think that scene is a little tastless but I disagree that ann's agency is being removed. Its not like she was being seriously manipulated to agree to the plan by the boys, if that happened I can see how her agency can be removed.
She agreed to it from her own sense of justice and did it on her own terms; which I think maintains her agency and autonomy.
I also agree it would have been better if she came up with the plan but I think it adds to her character development as she does actually become more confidant as the story goes on. It culminates in that one scene on Shido's ship where she pulls of the plan to get the invitation.
Yeah I don't like p4 and p5 have minimal character growth outside of social link
Unlike p3 where everyone is tangled in the main story
Does no one see that scene with Ann stripping is ment to be a joke or does people including the person who made this video take the p5 story so seriously that they can't laugh at jokes when they show up. From the camera angle of showing Ann head to the reveal that she wearing many clothes on herself and the chill music that play at that moment. It just a joke. The setup was really good. Got some laughs out of me whenever I see it in a playthrough.
I understand its a joke. My problem is that its in poor taste. I said in the video the scene isolated is fine, its the context of the scene I take issue with.
@@Macca I disagree with it being poor taste. Beside it being a joke it work with building up Ann confidence as well as she the only one Yusuke will tolerate at that moment.
Everyone knows it’s a joke, it’s just corny and unfunny
@@itsallenwow really cause it don't seem like that sometimes. Like people take things way too seriously.
@@itsallenwow No not everyone does look at the reaction in the video when the RUclipsr asked his audience. Also comedy is subjective many people found it funny even let's players
Well, at least they aren't saying Mar-e-ay for Maria in this
Persona 3 remains the best in the Persona series.
Meh, never thought to much of the scene.
1- Is just a game
2- I really don't give a shit
3- Its a Japanese game, atlus won't change pandering to the west, in fact I encourage NOT TO
4- meh I've seen worse and I'm from latin America so bleh, first-world problems are just stupid to me.
I'm sorry, but if not being creepy around the subject of sexual assault is "pandering to the west", then I'm sorry for everyone in your life who has to put up with you.
I mean I totally understand the criticisim of the scene, but maaaan do Americans blow it out of proportion
I think it's more weird that the first thought you had was "muh americans" because of people not liking the scene lol
makes me almost feel you deserved to get insulted by that Hawkatana dude just for saying something that stupid
I still can’t believe that you are an SMT/Persona content created and still haven’t beaten p3 and p4. That baffles me. Also, the way ann being portrayed in the game has never bother me, I don’t see the problem with it. She’s beautiful and confident in her own way.
P4’s Dungeons weren’t procedurally generated, thought the floors did look fairly same-y
Specify? The layout of all floors are randomized
@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas so some of the floors are and some aren’t, also when you enter a dungeon it locks what the floors will look like with exception of the few that was always the same like the first floor, last floor, and miniboss floors or gimmick floors. So I’m both right and wrong
Sorry had to look it up
Ive finished p4 recently after 5 and I 100 percent agreed god those dungeons were repedative