Review: Ceado E37SD Single Dose Titanium Burr Coffee Grinder
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024
- Review of the Ceado E37SD single dose coffee grinder with 83mm titanium burrs. Get results of grind retention tests. Learn how to use the Ross Droplet Technique - RDT. See how the worm gear adjustment operates for both super-precise control of grind size and quick macro size changes from super-fine for espresso to coarser settings for drip, pour-over and press brewing. Also see The Jack leveler in action. Try The Jack and you'll never use a tamper again!
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I have had one of these for about 9 months. It grinds beautifully. I DO NOT recommend it though. It IS NOT a zero retention grinder. It holds in a lot as you start to use it. These tests and most on RUclips are not long enough to simulate the real world. Adding water/ mist only exacerbates the problem. The bellows DO NOT clear the grinds completely. What does clear the grinds is lifting the front of this very heavy machine up a few inches and dropping it on the counter; this actually works pretty well. This machine needs a redesign. Notice how their higher end machines rotate the axis forward around 45 degrees so grinds come off the grinding wheels with gravity behind them to eject straight down. They also added a spring loaded chute. I think this model was just a quick redesign of there existing form factor to enter the zero retention space. They made the higher end models that way for a reason. Wish I could trade mine in for one. I regret this purchase.
Which Single Dose model then would you suggest? I haven't seen anything else newer from this brand or even any pricier SD models anywhere else.
I would recommend the Ceado e37 naked or the e37 hero. They correct the issues with this grinder by inclining the burrs to 45 degrees and adding a spring loaded grind chute to help eject the grinds. Other than those I would look at other companies who have moved the burr plane to 45 degrees like the monolith grinder. Good luck.
@@JSH1515 Well... It sure looks wayyy better and I'd bet it's superior too even if it got released in 2018 instead of 2019 but WTF I just found out at WLL that it's not only impossible to find anywhere in Canada but it's also 6200$ or 7600$CAD for the Hero version, while the SD is only a "cheap" 3150$ si thats double the amount of one of the most expensive already grinder!!! Who the heck is gonna buy this thing without a massive discount?!
I agree with your comments in that it is not zero retention with no intervention by the user, which for the price, you hope wouldn't be necessary.
That said though, I've made several tests a few weeks apart to answer this question for myself and found that retention is between zero and 0.1g if taking extra steps when grinding.
Again, I wish it wasn't necessary but everything else is great so I'll live with this. If you do spray (RDT) but only 1 spray I found to be effective, depending on the beans actually) then give a couple of taps about 3/4 the way through grinding and be aggressive with several short taps on the bellow while finishing the grind. After that, remove the chute cover and brush out whatever is "stuck" in the chute and you get as good as any single dose grinder.
Of course, as I mentioned, I wish I didn't have to work to get the grinds out.
I requested a return after 3 days. Mine had burr alignment issues therefore inconsistent grinding and it was extremely messy, spreading fine coffee all over the place! I liked its sturdiness and the ease of cleaning the burrs without losing the grind setting though.
Dos you get a replacement? What if the burrs had been aligned. This comment within itself useless!
What a beautiful piece of kit. I could buy one of these just to look at and polish every day.
100% getting one of these. This is the grail.
Nice video. You guys have a video tamper vs leveler? I want to know the difference
same! can you use a leveler as a tamper?
Hi B, Leveler video is in the works!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage just saw it posted! thanks for making that vid
How do you buy the Ceado E37SD dosing cup alone? I have a Ceado E37J that I would like to use it with as it fits the holder perfectly.
Hey Marc, I bought this grinder after watching your reviews. Great content. I have been using it for the last four days and I am observing retention of 3-5 grams. Is this retention indicative of an issue with the grinder or do I need to refine my process? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Amazing machine, in another league. Great review.
Hi H, Thanks for the comment.
Marc
I just bought one of these from them and I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here, I got it with my new ECM Synchronica. Damn hurry up and get here
Lol - excellent grinder!
Always great reviews
Hey Ben, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Can you get the macro adjustment gear for the E37S?
High Hugh, Ceado does not offer it for the E37S.
Marc
When will the upgrade to the SD be available for the S37E? I hope you will soon have a review of the upgrade.
Hi Thomas, E37S Quick Set Gear upgrades are on their way! We expect them to arrive around 4/11/19. Do be aware the upgrade is compatible with E37S models with serial numbers beginning with the letters: F, G and H. They are not compatible with other E37S models. Also, QSG upgrades for E37S do not include the worm gear release seen on the SD in this video. Otherwise they are the same.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Any idea about the cost?
Thanks Marc for the review. Question for you. How much over kill would it be to get the ceado 37sd mainly for pour over coffee? In your opinion how important is the grinder for pour over coffee. Thanks!!
Hi Richard, Guess it depends on your definition of overkill. Honestly you'd be fine with something like the Baratza Virtuoso Plus and you could buy ~10 of those for the price of the SD: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder It's not a single doser but could be used that way if you want. Also has a nice pulse grind feature which adds up grind time. The SD is more of an espresso focused grinder. It's also a commercial grade machine that will go for decades while the Virtuoso is higher-end appliance grade. Large burrs intended for espresso grinding like in the SD tend to produce more fines which probably are not desirable in brew grind sizes. Hope that helps!
Marc
How much difference is there in coffee freshness between a single-dose grinder and a grinder that stores beans in a hopper? Let's say between a Ceado E37SD and an ECM V-Titan 64?
Hi Alvin, Thanks for the question. With beans stored in the hopper of Titan 64 there's probably about 2-4g of coffee retained between the burrs and out to the deposit into grind delivery chute. If doing an 18g dose you'll get 2-4g from last grind cycle in the next. IMO not a big deal if you'll be grinding the net dose in minutes. Potentially bigger deal if not grinding again until tomorrow.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage, thank you sir!
Will the open top not collect dust over time?
Hi GW, I suppose it could.
If you dont use it😂😂😂
Awesome Video Marc. Do you know if its possible to use the titanium burrs of the e37sd in the e37s?
Is there information on the particle size distribution? If so, how does it compare to the EK43's distribution? I think it's obvious that this grinder wins over the EK43 in the realm of ergonomics and waste control, but what's your opinion on percieved quality of an espresso shot when comparing the two grinders?
This grinder has espresso burrs and it will produce a typical espresso grind. The Ek43 can be fitted with 5 or 6 type of burrs. Also the Ek43 takes about 2 seconds to grind a dose with popcorning being a non issue.
Hi. You can always eyeball for a subjective judgment on particle size but I have opted for a 12 sieve Kruve which allows you to sift particles into 3 sizes (depending on the 3 sieves used.) You can then take the particles from one of the 3 bins and sift again. Crazy work? Yes, but it gives you a very good visual of size. I don't think HLL sells the Kruve but you can pick it up on Amazon. Its not expensive.
@@ThomasChesterVA The sieves don't work for espresso grind. It's impossible to sieve all of the particles below 200um since most of them get stuck to the bigger ones. Sieves are useful for larger grind setting where you want to eliminate extremes.
Recently i bought one ... and this is my first grinder ... i wish to know how long / when should i open the burr ? To clean it up .. is it after every use ?
ArabAirgunTV i always clean my grinder after 2 kilograms of griding
Hi AATV, No need after every use! This grinder has super low retention. You'll likely open it up and find very little clean - even after grinding many kg of coffee!
Marc
As the coffee beans age (two + weeks to four weeks), do you find/need to adjust grind size to get same extraction time?
Hi LK, Thanks for the question. Yes, you will definitely need to adjust the grind size as a coffee ages. Especially during the first few weeks! As I always remind here in the comments on other videos: Grind size is never set and forget!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you very much!
Hi Marc,
I need help choosing between the e37S and the SD.
I feel I am a single dose person and I would never get tired of it (plus I would likely pull one shot, maybe two a day). A couple of people have told me that I can use the S in single dose mode (without the weight of the beans in the hopper that it was designed for), and there would be no (or almost) no difference in the cup (compared to the SD which is designed for single dosing).
I’m concerned popcorning on the “S” might give an inconsistent grind (without beans in the hopper).
RE: retention; how concerning is a half gram retention? It seems like I could put three beans through the E37s to purge.. or is less than a half a gram not worth worrying about at all?
I wish the engineers would let us know if the motor speed, titanium burrs, and the different shape of the cutting teeth we’re all designed for a more consistent grind, or if this is all for retention purposes?
Hi Rob, Thanks for the question - tough decision! I have used the E37S for single dosing and it does not popcorn. Even if it did it would not affect the grind quality. Do expect retention of ~.5g. In order to get there you will have to start/stop the E37S a few time to get every last bit of ground coffee you can. IMO .5g is no big deal. Think .5g works out to about 3% of an 18g dose. If someone can regularly detect that in a blind test they qualify as a tasting god! If you're okay with having to bump the switch a few times to expel as much grounds as possible then the S can work. With the SD you just leave it running and use the bellows to get every last bit of grinds. Seriously if you RDT spray an 18g dose you will almost always get 18g out. One spray adds .1g water weight.
The Titanium burrs retain an edge longer but it's also about how slippery they are so it adds to the low retention capability. Also impervious to rust if using RDT. Have to say I've used RDT on steel burrs a lot and never seen rust. But could be different for others depending on typical humidity or proximity to salt air (ocean). Hope this helps!
Marc
Oh darn? The e37S does everything I want, so i dont have to buy the SD, LOL.. But what benefit would there be (besides less retention) in upgrading to the SD?
ALSO, BTW: I’ve been using the e37S in single dose mode (with the tamper in place of the hopper), and I noticed the burrs suck air thru the machine. So just covering the hole for a second works a bit like the bellows to get grinds out..
How is this grinder for dark roast
Hi SA, The E37Sd works well for dark roast.
Marc
Can I buy the mushroom shaped shaft cap as a replacement part? I've noticed the same issue that someone commented about below with my e37s, namely that the LAST dose is of inconsistent (larger) grind size. If I do not keep the hopper sufficiently full, my last dose is a gusher. I'm wondering if the mushroom cap would help with that.
Hi there. Is it possible to grind turkish with this grinder?
Hi d, Thanks for the question. Yes the E37SD can go to Turkish fine.
Marc
Hey Marc. No sooner did I think I would ever pay over 1K for a grinder than I saw the tempting Ceado E37SD. I'm sold on the grinder package - not that I've completely come to terms with the price tag. That said, my one concern is for the bellows. Is there any worry that it will suffer stress damage/drying out over a period of years? Thanks so much for your guidance!
Hi John, The bellows is made from a fairly robust and relatively thick material. I can't say with 100% certainty that it would not wear out after years of use but the grinder has only been out for a few years so no long term data. I've used quite a bit and feel confident it should not be an issue. If it does have a problem it's a very easy replacement.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@WholelattelovepageEasy replacement! Great! That does help a lot. Thanks so much.
Thanks for another brilliantly informative video, Marc. Would I see a similarly low retention result from the E37S for single dosing if I purged the retained grinds by pulsing the on/off button a couple of times and brushing the grinds from the shute? The extra spend on the SD is getting outside my budget, unfortunately.
Hi Steven, You are welcome for the video and thanks for your question. The E37S gets close to the SD. Here's a video with retention tests on the E37S and other low retention grinders. It's a little older so E37S in the video does not have the Quick Set Worm gear like current models: ruclips.net/video/_5ZnraVs_7M/видео.html
Marc
When is the worm gear upgrade coming for e37s grinders?
Hi SD, We expect to have some arriving in about a week. See other comments on this video for more details.
Marc
This grinder is so impressive to me. After 4 months of using an inconsistent, unpredictable, and unreliable Profitec T64, I am unequivocally switching to this soon
Hi DW, Thanks for the comment. Sorry you've been having troubles with your T64. I've used the T64 and have not had the same experience. It is of course not at the same level as the E37SD which is a huge upgrade! Marc
I bought two weeks ago the new Ceado E37S and is amazing, but I honestly regret I didn’t get this single dose version :( very upset!
Hi Leonel, Sounds like you've got quick onset upgrade-itis!
Whole Latte Love haha! That term is spot on :)
Whole Latte Love Marc, on this note, I have more a technical question, as I mentioned to you, I bought the E37S and not the E37SD... I am trying to use the E37S as single dose as well, you know with putting the tamp on top trick kinda thing... my question is: does the burst doesn’t get damage if I grind the last let’s say 10 seconds with no beans inside? Is there any risk that something happens with my grinder because I am doing this repeatedly? What are your thoughts? Thank you very much, Leo
Whole Latte Love Hi Marc, I know we have been back and forth regarding the SD model, and you have been of amazing help, but could I kindly ask you a last question? As I mentioned, I have the E37S model, I bought it around 2-3 weeks ago, the shop where I bought is letting me exchange it for the SD if I want to (paying the difference of course, which would be ok for me). My problem with the S is how much waste I have due to purge every time I have to dial in... and therefore my question: with the SD version, would I have to “purge” (waste coffee) every time I change the settings or dial in? Also, I know you mentioned the retention is very low in this model, but because I don’t drink coffee everyday, let’s say, for example, if I make a coffee today and I don’t use the grinder for about 2-3 days, the next time I want to make a coffee I would need to purge the first dose because there is old coffee lying around inside the chamber for the past 2 days? Or because the SD is so clean that i wouldn’t need to waste coffee in this case? The reason why I ask is that i want to avoid changing my E37S to the SD and at the end I would have similar coffee waste. I really look forward to your opinion and after that I will make my decision of I keep the S or if I exchange it to the SD, thank you again, Leo :)
Does anyone have an opinion on whether the new nanotech "Opalglide" burrs are an actual improvement over the titanium, or an "upgrade masquerade." It's a "whatever" for me, except that I that I really liked the gold color on the worm adjuster and the burrs.
I am trying to modify an Eureka Mignon with a bellow like the Caedo for single dossage. Not sure if it'll work as good.
Hi Tim, Good luck - let me know how it goes. I'm skeptical of it working as there's more going on in a single doser than just blowing air through to push out left behind grinds. SD grinders use a different design in the grinding chamber with sweeper arms tighter to the edge of the chamber. Also use treated burrs to resist corrosion that may happen with normal steel burrs due to use of moisture in RDT.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I've done the DIY below for my Eureka Mignon mkii. Resul was quite good with 0.5g retention after 200g of grinds. And I think we can do grind adjustment while the machine is off becauss burr chamber is empty.
Hi Mark .. should I do a sezenning for Burr ? And how many Pounds of coffee to do it? Thanks a lot 💐 best regards Bader
Hi bader, Thanks for the question. According to Ceado it's ~8lbs of grinding for the burrs to season. The grind quality will change ever so slightly during seasoning but it's perfectly fine to use the coffee ground during seasoning. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love perfect answer.. it’s very helpful thanks a lot Mark 💐 best regards, Bader
Hi Marc, I know we have been back and forth regarding the SD model, and you have been of amazing help, but could I kindly ask you a last question? As I mentioned, I have the E37S model, I bought it around 2-3 weeks ago, the shop where I bought is letting me exchange it for the SD if I want to (paying the difference of course, which would be ok for me). My problem with the S is how much waste I have due to purge every time I have to dial in... and therefore my question: with the SD version, would I have to “purge” (waste coffee) every time I change the settings or dial in? Also, I know you mentioned the retention is very low in this model, but because I don’t drink coffee everyday, let’s say, for example, if I make a coffee today and I don’t use the grinder for about 2-3 days, the next time I want to make a coffee I would need to purge the first dose because there is old coffee lying around inside the chamber for the past 2 days? Or because the SD is so clean that i wouldn’t need to waste coffee in this case? The reason why I ask is that i want to avoid changing my E37S to the SD and at the end I would have similar coffee waste. I really look forward to your opinion and after that I will make my decision of I keep the S or if I exchange it to the SD, thank you again, Leo :)
Hi Leonel, Thanks for the question. The SD when used properly is super clean. By properly I mean do use the RDT spray to reduce/eliminate static and tap the bellows to push out last little bit of ground coffee while the motor is still running. When I use the SD I often dose 18g. 2 sprays from the RDT mister adds about 0.15g. When I weigh the output from the grinder it's often 17.9-18g. The SD's titanium burrs have a slicker surface than standard steel burrs and stay sharper far longer. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi I have questions I have same grinder, and when I rotate for coarser the wheel move upon the right side around 1-2mm and when go to finer go down back.Did u have this problem?
Hi EI, There is a slight amount of play in the gear when switching from coarser to finer adjusting and vice versa. It's not so much a problem but a requirement. If the gear is too tight it would be difficult to turn. There has to be a slight amount of play for smooth operation. Note the grind scale does not change until the gear is fully engaged.
Marc
Looks fantastic
Hi J, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Hi Marc! I wandering about the burr will it be wet and hard to clean if we use wdt? Because on my last case i used this method in my mazzer mini, and when i try to clean it, the burr is wet and take a lot of my time to clean it. Is it the same with E37SD?
Thanks for your great review on this product! 👍
Hi Hadi, Thanks for the question. The titanium coating on the burr is very slippery so less adhesion of water and coffee dust to the burr. I took apart a well used E37SD 2 days ago and it was remarkably clean! One of the benefits of titanium. Since it's a singlre dosing grinder no partially ground coffee is left between the burrs. Using RDT with this grinder is recommended!
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc! Thanks for the detail explanation. 👍
This looks so similar to the 37S - would it be possible to fit the bellows / funnel from the E37SD to an E37S to convert the E#&S to single dose grinding? I know you won't have the titanium burrs but still, for those folks who have an E37S and would like to get into single dose grinding??
Hi Bob, Thanks for the question. Unfortunately, The bellows will not work on the E37S. But you can single dose to some extent with it. Typical retention if you single dose into the hopper is
Hi Marc, thank for this video. I got a question: is possible use this coffee grinder in classic mode? I mean, is possible mount a hopper on the top of the grinder and deliver coffee using the porta filter as it happens in the E37S?? I ask you this because at home there is me and my girlfriend and we use the coffee grinder in a different way, so I was hoping to be able to use the coffee grinder in both modes rather than buying another one. Let me know, thanks!!
Hi D, Thanks for the comment and question. The E37SD does not accept standard hopper. Also has a single on/off switch so there's no activation of grind using a PF. You could just leave the grinder on and continue to feed beans by hand.
Marc
Just curious if you tried grinding without the RDT spray - is this unit more prone than average to static-induced retention, or just normal?
Hi C, I don't think it is more prone than other grinders. I have tried it without RDT and I don't get lots of static but grinds to seem to not exit the grinder as well with more cling to the chute. It depends a lot on ambient humidity in my opinion and on the bean moisture/oil content. Still in heating season hear so air is fairly dry. I've used grinders like the Baratza Settes which on one day have lot's of static and next to no static the next with same bean and grind.
Marc
Hi d, Other than pushing the grinds thru a restriction which would increase retention and cause clumping I don't think there is a magic method of dealing with static other than adding moisture via RDT. It's just a fact of physics: rubbing relatively dry things together in dry environments results in static.
Marc
Thank you sir for this great video
Glad you liked it
Can you do a video of the Jack Leveler? 😮😍
Hi Simon, Thanks for the request - yours is not the first. Coming soon!
Marc
I'd like to use this for espresso and pour over. What's the max weight of coffee beans you can add in one go? Great video!
Hi M, Thanks for the question/comment. Only real limit is how much you can feed and capture. It's NSF and has a long duty cycle. I would not feed kilograms continuously but no problem for espresso and pour over.
Marc
Hi Marc, do you thinks the 37sd worth the price difference comparing to the 37s when it comes to the taste of Coffe in the cup? Do you see any difference?
Hi Cy-oT, As the name suggests, the E37SD is setup for essentially zero retention single dose grinding. You only grind the beans you use. The E37S is not setup for easy single dosing. You can do it with the E37S but it will retain some coffee. Typically about 0.5g. Also, the E37S is an espresso specialist. It takes some time and effort to make major grind size changes for other brew methods. The SD has a quick release on the worm gear so it's easy to go from grinding for espresso to coarser grinding for other brew methods. I say the SD is worth it if you are serious about single dosing with no grind retention and/or you switch between brew methods on a regular basis. As for taste, that's always subjective. We have done some taste testing and did not find "in your face" flavor differences. Hope that helps.
Marc
Hi, my Sette 270 just died and I think it's time for an upgrade. I've narrowed it down to the E37SD, however, I've been reading a lot of comments that it's difficult to get consistent results. What is your experience after almost 1 year? How much run-in is required with regard to the coffee ground? I've also looked at ECM vtitan-64, but I'm really only doing light roast espresso and only single dosing, not sure if that would be a better option, any tips welcome!
Hi RS, If you like your 270 do know Baratza has a fixed price repair program. Honestly, I don't think results get any more consistent for espresso than with the E37SD. I do not recommend the Titan as a single dose grinder. It has a fair amount of retention. The SD is essentially zero retention. Both have titanium coated burrs which produce excellent grind.
Marc
What is a good alternative leveler that is more affordable? I'm interested in using a leveler, but uness they are more comparable to a tamper, I think I would rather keep tamping. Also, having never used a leveler, it seemed that tamping wasn't necessary after leveling. Is this true or does the leveler just provide a flat, smooth tamping surface?
Hi Jordan, Thanks for the comment and question. There are levelers which are cheaper and more expensive than The Jack. IMO The Jack hits the right point of value/quality for the price. Cheaper levers tend to be lightweight and often made of aluminum. Many are not depth adjustable or difficult to adjust. When used properly tamping is not required. A good test of this is leveling and then knocking out the dry coffee and it comes out as a solid puck. You can see that in this video on how to use The Jack: ruclips.net/video/4Z5vTi643sc/видео.html
Marc
Hi Mark. Thanks for the review which lead me to buy one of these, sadly not from WLL because i'm in the UK. I promise i'm not asking for a grind setting.....however could you give a ball park for the adjustment from espresso, which, for example, is lined up with the 1 on the dial, to the start point for dealing in a grind for V60? P.S. thanks for all the incredibly helpful videos.
Hi Chris, LOL! you've been watching my other videos if you know I can't give you a grind setting. For V60 pour over you typically want a grind size similar to use for drip/filter coffee. I do not know what that's like in UK - you should see how fine some Italian roasters do pre-ground export for drip to US! It's much too fine IMO. Majority of Italians do not understand drip coffee as it's not a thing in Italy. Anyway, best I can advise is a medium grind size and tune from there. If bitter grind a bit coarser next time. If sour or weak grind a little finer. Dial in to something that gives a flavor you like that works along with your particular brewing variables. Hope that helps!
Marc
Thanks Mark, i have been following European grind recommendations which seems to be at the course end of espresso but that seems way to fine to me. Will try a coarser grind... Thanks for taking the time to reply to a none customer. I did try ordering some baristapro baskets from you guys but you weren't able to export. Hopefully you can in the future, you guys have a much broader selection then we have in the UK.@@Wholelattelovepage
If you mostly single dose, but wanted a hopper for when you have guests, can a hopper be added?
Hi Scotty, No hopper for the SD :(.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage ok thanks Marc
Do we know yet if the worm-gear conversion will work on regular E37S models? Bought a refurb from WLL about a year or two ago, and I'd kill to upgrade to this. I exclusively weight out my beans for every shot, so my hopper on top is basically unused.
Hi KM, Thanks for the question. Quick Set Gear upgrade kits are en route to us for previous E37S models with serial numbers beginning with the letter F, G, or H. We expect them to arrive in a week or so. Please be aware the upgrade is not compatible with some earlier versions of the E37S. Also, the Quick Set Gear for standard E37S models does not have the swing out worm gear release seen on the SD model in this video.
Marc
Hi, I also have a E37S, so you do Single Dose with yours? how do you do it if I may ask? Do you have good results? Thank you
Marc, excellent review, as always. I purchased the Eureka Mignon Perfetto as my most recent grinder, but at the time I had a Rancilio Silvia espresso machine. This past November I purchased the Synchronika from WLL and now I'm not as happy with the Perfetto, primarily because the fine adjustments are very difficult when I switch beans or want to change the extraction ratio. I end up wasting a lot of beans. I'm hoping you can help me with answers to three questions regarding the E37SD. (1) Will the worm gear setup on this machine make it easier than the Perfetto for fine adjustments that I can duplicate, as needed? (2) I'm interested in single dosing, but aside from that, how does this machine differ from the less expensive E37S? (3) I'm nervous about taking the plunge on this machine after reading several carefully thought-out but critical reviews both on the WLL site for this grinder as well as here in the RUclips comments, addressing issues such as retention and uneven grind. In the time since creating this video, have you noticed these problems? Thanks much!
Hi Michael, The Perfetto is setup as more of an all purpose grinder than an espresso specialist. Very little range in espresso grind size adjustment so a small turn of the knob makes a big difference.
Your questions:
1. Yes the worm gear is extremely precise. Compared to the Perfetto, it's multiple 360 degree turns of the Ceado's knob to go through the range you would with a 45 degree turn of the Eureka's adjustment.
2. Compared to the standard E37S the SD has titanium treated burrs. They stay sharper longer. I'm in my 50's, drink a lot of espresso and those burrs likely will not need replacement in my lifetime. RDT (misting beans with water) is part of the process in single dosing. Titanium burrs will not corrode. That is a possibility with standard steel burrs. The worm gear of the E37SD (Ceado prefers calling it Quick Set Gear) has a release to disengage the gears for quick changes from espresso grinding to larger grind sizes. Without that, it's a lot of turning of the adjustment knob to go from espresso to a drip grind. Internally, The E37SD has a narrower grinding chamber than the non SD version.
3. The E37S is the grinder I use most often. While I can choose from just about any grinder available in the US I always have an E37S in the studio for daily use. When I want the best possible grind I go with the E37S. The E37SD is the same grinder but set up for single dosing. Single dosing is more work. Most weigh the dose, then RDT the beans, shake to mix, load, grind and pop the bellows a few times to achieve near zero retention. My dosing is very consistent and reliable. But, every once in awhile something odd happens and a little ground coffee gets hung up. It's rare but grinding is chaotic. One thing I have noticed which has modified my SD technique: When blowing out the last bits of coffee it tends to be a bit more powdery. Grinders all produce a range of coffee particle sizes. Better grinders produce a narrower range but they all have some variation. As you're blowing out slightly finer particles at the end of a single dose grind cycle the puck may be top loaded with those. Due to that I now use a WDT (Weiss Distribution Technique) tool to evenly distribute slight variations in grind size in the filter basket.
The E37SD is a plunge and not for everyone. You need to enjoy and commit to the extra steps involved in single dosing for consistent results.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks VERY MUCH for taking the time to provide such an extensive reply. If I can shamelessly push the envelope just a bit further, a few follow-up questions about the E37S. That was the machine I was initially considering, but someone at WLL suggested I look at the SD. Now I'm leaning back toward the S. (1) To make sure I am understanding correctly, the two differences with the S and SD are (a) titanium burrs on the SD, while steel on the S, and (b) the SD is a single dosing machine. (2) Does the S have the same worm adjustment for the burrs that the SD has, including the release for larger adjustments? As you know, what got me looking at changing grinders even while my Perfetto is fairly new is the inability to make fine-tuning adjustments, so I want to make sure about this. (3) You mentioned that titanium burrs will last the rest of my life (I'm 62). How long will steel burrs typically last? I assume they can be replaced vs needing new machinery, yes? (4) Does the adjustment on the S (and SD for that matter) literally go all the way up to drip? I'm asking this because while I can set my Perfetto to be dedicated for my drip machine, it means taking up more counter space. I'd prefer to use one grinder and give the Perfetto to my daughter who has recently joined the espresso craze. Again, thanks so much for taking the time to help me make a decision. This is a substantial investment on the heels of a Synchronika, so I appreciate it! --Mike
@@FourthZ No problem
1. Yes to a and b
2. Yes the standard E37S has a worm gear adjustment. It does not have the quick release like the SD.
3. Steel burrs are good for ~700kg. Burrs can be replaced and upgraded to something like this if desired: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ssp-red-speed-coated-83mm-grinding-burrs
4. Yes you could adjust all the way to drip grind. But without the quick release on standard E37S it takes a lot of turning to get there.
Marc
Hi Marc, I'm looking to get a high end grinder that's good for espresso as well as drip, pour over, and press. Would this be my best option or would you suggest something else? I primarily make coffee for myself so I like the idea of a single dose grinder but I'm open minded to anything.
Hi Ralph, Sorry for the delayed response. The E37SD is the best option for high-end single dosing for multiple brew methods. Swing out quick set gear allows for rapid large changes in grind size.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot! love your content, all very informative.
Hi Marc, thanks for your great videos. I saw that you‘re using the 18g basked. I did the same in the past, since my grinder was not very good in fine grinding. Since two month I have a test grinder and I‘m using the 14g basked with great results. What‘s your experience with 14g of beans with the Ceado E37SD? Sincerely, t
Hi travelbug, Thanks for the question. It's been a long time since I used a 14g dose. But, dose weight shouldn't make a difference! The E37SD and similar grinders have no problem grinding very fine!
Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for your prompt reply. :-) Good to know, that very fine grinding isn‘t an issue.
Hi Marc - I'm a new owner of the E37SD from WLL, but so far I'm disappointed. I'm having problems with channeling on my ECM Synchronika that I've never had before. I'm doing everything identically and only varying using the Ceado vs my old Rocky Rancilio as my grinder. Any idea what could be the difference between the Rocky and the Ceado grinds that could cause this? Pulling my hair out.
Hi Sebastian, Sorry to hear you are having troubles. I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out how grind from an E37SD would cause channeling if grind from a Rocky was not. The grind quality from the Ceado is far superior to the Rocky in every respect. We use the E37SD as our lab grinder for espresso taste comparisons and would never consider using a Rocky for that. Has something else besides the grinder changed in your process? Are you using same coffee, dose weight, tamping technique, filter basket, etc? How are you distributing coffee in filter basket? Any chance your shower screen is dirty and/or wetting your puck unevenly? Are you grinding into a cup and then dosing or dosing straight into a PF? My guess is the issue equipment beyond the grinder or technique related. Outside of other variables grind from the E37SD should be less prone to channeling than typically clumpy grind from the Rocky.
Marc
Hi Marc. What is the maximum coffee dosage does the e37sd can hold in grams. 30? 40? etc
Hi Garnett, Not something I've measured before so I pulled out an E37SD and checked. It's about 60g. That's with the grinder off and filling with beans to capacity of the bellows. Keep in mind with the grinder running you could continuously feed beans. The only real limit being the size of the receptacle to catch the grounds. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much Marc.
Hi Marc! Echoing what others have said: your reviews are obsessively thorough and only influence transfer of money from my wallet to WLL! That said, I'm seriously considering the E37SD. Here's the rub: my current setup (purchased from WLL) is a Miss Silvia to which I added the Auber PID with preinfusion and a doserless Rocky which makes me want to pull my hair out with inconsistent g output. I'm mostly happy with my shots (oncer I've gotten my intended g out), but eventually want to upgrade my machine to a heat exchanger/dual boiler setup. My question: would buying the E37SD to use alongside Miss Silvia be like putting budget radial tires on a Ferrari? To those ends, do you have any timelines on the Ceado E5SD which seems more appropriate next to Miss Silvia? Thanks again!
Hi Spencer, Thanks for the comment - lol! E37SD is one heck of a grinder and a super huge upgrade from the Rocky. I understand your frustration with it. Grinding has come a very long way in the last decade or so. I do think the SD is overkill (like your analogy!) unless you where doing a machine upgrade down the road. We expect to have the E5SD in house in 1-2 months for testing and of course a review video! I have not seen one in person but it appears to be very similar to current E5P/E6P except setup for single dosing.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. Thanks for your reply! Many folks on the coffee interwebs are oohing and aahhing over the Niche Zero grinder. Do you have any thoughts/experience with it?
Hi Marc, I currently owned mazzer mini, do you think e37sd worth the upgrade from my current mazzer mini? Thanks.
Hi Lucas, Thanks for the question. Well, if you've seen a certain few of my other videos you might know I'm not much of a fan of the mini. I don't like the grinding chamber design with adjustment threads open to clogging and those 3 little springs which the top burr carrier rests on. With that out of the way, the E37SD would be a huge upgrade! 83mm burr vs. 64 mm, pure single doses, super accurate quick set grind size adjustment, sealed adjustment threads and no loss of grind size adjustment when opening up the grinder. Night and day!
Marc
But if you can live with the few quirks of the Mazzer Mini - it does a very good job.
Build quality, and dose consistency of output are big pluses with output variation being around 0.2gm. But you need to clean often!
If you want the best the e37SD does win hands down - at a very high price!
Hi, can anyone advise on difference between E5SD vs E37SD? Basically thinking if it's worth paying more for the E37, will it taste better in the cup. For home use espresso. Want something that will last forever if possible.
Hi MO, IMO the E37SD has the potential to taste better in cup. Key differences are in burr size, burr material and grind size adjustment. E37SD is 83mm, Titanium coated burr and Quick Est adjustment. E5SD is 64mm, anti-oxodant steel burrs and turning collar adjustment. Beyond that the E37SD is much easier to open up and there's no loss of grind setting when doing so. Both grinderts are very well made but E37SD has higher quality components/connectors and a sealed adjustment mechanism. If forever is important the E37SD is the higher build quality, more powerful motor.
Marc
Is it possible for Ceado to make a white version of this machine for me?
Hi d, A one off from Ceado if possible would likely be very expensive. We have done in-house custom colors on other products. Requires disassembly of product. Removal of current finish to bare metal then powder coating. Labor intensive but given time and $$ anything is possible! Would likely be more cost effective to DIY.
Marc
Hi guys,
I have a question: So I am using a 54mm basket with ~17g of coffee. I get 60ml in like 30 sec but the coffee tastes sour. I am already on a very fine setting and if I set it even finer, the machine chokes. I am also not even tamping hard. What can I do?
How about tamping harder, go for only 40ml in same timeframe?
Getting the same result, still sour.
But I realised if I use a very fine setting (to prevent under-extraction), tamp it very light (to prevent choking) and use less coffee (to fit it in the basket because of the lighter tamp), the shot gets much much better and it's just a bit sour. Nevertheless not satisfied... :-D
First of all, thanks for the tips. I tried a lot in the last week and ended up with a surprising reslut. Obviously I ground too FINE and mixed up the bitter taste with a sour one.
So as you recommended I ground coarser and tamped harder and voilà, a balanced tasting shot!
Even as I am no customer of WLL - I live in Austria - I am a great fan of your reviews and „how-tos“ and I have learned a lot. Thank you for your great work and your „education“. Now I need an advice: I have recently bought a Ceado E37SD, mostly because of your praise of the machine. My problem is that I can not grind fine enough. I drink espresso only and even if I am close to „0“ the coffe is still to coarse. Could you maybe help me with my problem? I am quite frustrated and unhappy. Thank you in advance!
Hi Peter, Sorry you are having issues. Must be frustrating! You should be able to adjust fine enough to have the burrs touch and produce a grind so fine it will choke any espresso machine. If you did not know "0" on the dial is just a reference and usually does not represent the finest grind setting. The scale with numbers can be rotated without adjusting grind size. It's held in position by a magnet. Here's what I would do: With no beans in the grinder turn the motor on and continue adjusting the grind finer until you hear the unmistakable sound of the burrs just touching. When you hear that sound quickly back off a bit to a coarser setting. Back off just until the burr touching sound stops. That's the finest setting on the grinder. If you like you can position the scale (it just slides) to zero. Do not worry about the burrs briefly touching as it's not the cutting edges making contact but flat non-cutting surfaces of the burrs which are slightly higher. At that setting your grind will be too fine for espresso. If you set zero at the burr touch point you'll want to back off to a range of .5 - 1.5 before grinding for espresso. Cant be exact with that as a lot depends on bean type, dose weight, etc. From there dial in your grind as needed. I believe this should solve your grind size issue.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc for your quick and enlightning answer! I hoped it would be something which can be fixed quite easily by me but I would not risk fixing it wirhout good advice. I will try it out tomorrow morning (our time). Thanks a lot for your help. Looking forward towards your next videos! You have a big fan in Vienna!
@@peterfraunhoffer7126 How did things turn out after your adjustment? Were you able to have fine enough grinds?
It‘s really sad that the products don‘t have an integrated scale. Only find one product on the market that has this function. So a really cool feature would be if you had different beans containers with different beans that you can change. So making coffee would be much easier and faster.
Hi Jan, Keeping beans out of a hopper is the point of a single dosing grinders. You can weigh beans prior to grinding and never have a significant amount of coffee left internally so you always get a fresh dose. Guessing the grinder you're thinking of is the Baratza 270Wi. About the only grinder out there which weighs the coffee as it's grinding. But, it does have a hopper and no-way of switching out the hopper without having some beans left in the grinding chamber.
Marc
Just like the e37s i have, the last grams of the grind yields that clear part of the bean, and it probably grinds coarser than the initial grinding. Is it possible to check the latter, if the initial 2g is finer then the last 2g? Do those "clear" ground pieces influence espresso taste? Thank you very much Marc, great video.
Hi lap42, Thanks for the comment and question. Not sure I fully understand your question. IMO and experience the grind size is very consistent start to end of grind cycle.
Marc
I am curious about the same. If I single dose with my E6, the end of the grind gets coarser and the shot is a lot quicker. Does this model do something special to avoid this?
Do you all sell any dosing funnels?
Be careful about purchasing a dosing funnel. Many (most) of the machines that dock with the portafilter do not have enough height adjustment to allow the docking mechanism to engage. So, after going through many funnels I found one that fit. Good, huh? Not really. For example on the E37S, I found one that fit but when engaged the funnel would tilt and the whole system became unstable. So, if you disable the portafilter hook on the grinder I now use the funnel and manually hold the portafilter during the grind of 3 seconds or so. On the 270W and Wi there is no funnel I could find that fit. If you want to proceed, if I were you, get Mark to recommend a machine or two that have a portafilter rest/dock that works with a funnel.
Thomas Chester hi I have the rocket high end one (name escapes me right now) but I have the room if I take the holder off
@@ThomasChesterVA how were you able to disable the portafilter hook on the E37S? I got 3 weeks ago the new E37S and I can't remove it. I even got in contact with Ceado Customer Support and they told me is not possible. So, now I am battling between the hooks and funnel everytime I grind.
Hi Marc, I realized, that the E37SD has a 400W motor and the E37S has a more powerful 500W motor. Do you know the reason for this difference? Sincerely, travelbug
Hi travelbug, Thanks for the question. The E37SD as a single dosing grinder doesn't leave partially ground beans in the burrs between grind cycles so doesn't require the same starting power as the E37S which with the hopper feed needs more power.
Marc
That does not look like titanium. It looks more like a titanium nitride coating, which is a completely different animal.
Please let me know if I'm wrong.
You are not wrong
@@Wholelattelovepage what is the coating than? Raw titanium is an entirely different color!
@@finder2267 I don't know for sure but they're probably steel burrs with a titanium nitride coating like tasmedic said.
@@kevinsmith9106 I know! I wanted to get WLL to make a statement. You and I both know burrs made solid Ti be then be coated in titanium nitride isn't cost-effective or logical. There are no 100 % Ti burr sets I am aware of. Ti is also very hard to work with as a raw matrial
I couldn’t get consistency even with a really fresh coffee, I have followed all the instructions by the book and sometimes I get 20 sec extraction 40 sec extraction 30 sec extraction, with the same dial, same coffee, same technique. Really frustrating.
I bought it from WLL, and their suggestions are not unanimous:
“You need to break in the burrs, use 1 pound of coffee”
“You need to grind a least 10 pounds in order to get consistency”
And yesterday's customer support ask me to grind coarser,
Hi Hernan, Thanks for reaching out. I talked to Mitch in our CS dept. He told me he spoke with you today and resolved your issue.
Marc
I have ceado e5p and it's fantastic for the price
Very fresh coffee can be unpredictable when making espresso due to off-gassing causing chanelling. It's probably advisable to use beans that are at least 7 days after roast, anything fresher than this is a nightmare to dial in! Did you ever manage to sort out your issue? Considering this grinder as a possible upgrade
What kind of a grinder review doesn't test extractions? Or in other words if this is better, more consistent, from shot to shot compared to a regular E37S.
Otherwise what would be the point of paying more for unnecessary, for home use, titanium burrs and a bellows that could be added to any grinder?
Hi Devlin, Thanks for the comment. Testing extractions was not the point of this video. It was a review of the grinder parts, technique of operation and testing of retention.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Call it a dry test, not a review.
LOL
This is must have machine
Hi KZ, She's a beautiful instrument!
Marc
I'm wondering if that blow out funnel could be used on an E37S and whether it'll be available to buy?
Hi Sabrina, Thanks for the question. It cannot be used on the E37S. A couple of reasons. First, the collar which holds the bean hopper is different on the S and SD models. The S model has cutouts for the hopper shutoff slide mechanism. With those there's a spot for air to escape. Hopper collars are not interchangeable between the models. Second, the internal design of the S is different so blowing out would not have the same affect as it does on the SD.
Marc
how much this one 🤔🤔
Current pricing available here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder
I like ceado 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi oo, Thanks for the comment. Ceado makes excellent grinders!
Marc
This seems more of an overview rather than a review. It is hard not to see WLL sells the grinder and with no negatives or cons stated and no comparisons, some hard questions have to be asked of WLL.
Hi Finder, Thanks for the opinion. There is a gray area between overview and review. Maybe best to consider a feature review.
actualy its good but i wonder who can give 2000+ usd for a grinder at home:S
Hi HS, It's most excellent! High-end home espresso geeks love this grinder! Also great in commercial shop.
Marc
rich people lol
I purchased another Ceado single dose grinder model E37Z Hero that costs about 5000$.First I said the same thing, that's too much for home user.But now that I have it for a while I wouldn't give it away !! That's how awesome it is !!!!! Ceado grinders are expensive I agree,but they're worth the price.
I didn't know there was a method of grinding other than single dose.....
Hi y, LOL! Well, plenty of old school cafes using dosing grinders. You know the ones where a half a kg of coffee is ground into a hopper and then levered into PFs all day long.
@@Wholelattelovepage What a horrible thought! You guys should do a video, "Coffee Horrors: How Not to Ruin Precious Coffee"
RDT sounds so much more important than water spray.
Hi JM, Yes it does - have to give credit to Ross!
Marc
😍
Thanks!
Bought this grinder from WLL due to this vid. Great on zero grind retention. Vid BIG MISS is no talk of how to set Zero on grinder. Super important not to discuss this so wasted time figuring this out. After confirming zero with WLL tech support, espresso grind settings for 4 diff coffee beans ranged from 0.30 to 0.45. Below 0.30 E37SD clogs up consistently. Window is too narrow, no headroom to grind finer for bottomless portafilter or other beans. Disappointed.. Will return grinder as what it considers 'fine' grind is not as fine as other grinders.
Hi e, Thanks for the comment. Sorry to hear you are disappointed. I use just about every grinder make and model available in the US and IMO the E37SD is one of the best available. I do not cover how to set zero in every grinder video I do. It's very straightforward. With the grinder running adjust grind finer just until you hear the burrs touch then back off a hair. That's zero. No worries about the burrs touching as it's the outer smooth ring which makes contact and not the cutting teeth. I am happy to hear our tech support was able to provide you with the info you desired. I'm surprised by the clogging unless you are using some really oily beans or something else is weird. I've never had a clog using the E37SD and I've ground 100's of cycles at espresso grind size. It is as you mentioned amazing at zero retention. Put 18g in and with the RDT spray you get 18g out. Open it up and there's nothing left behind. Only one other grinder I know of capable of that and it's double the price. I fear you will be disappointed with other grinders as well if you are grinding so fine for espresso you are somehow clogging the SD. I'm not quite sure what you mean about the headroom for bottomless PFs. The grinder does come with a WDT cup for grinding into as well as a PF dosing funnel if you prefer to go directly into portafilter.
Marc
Thank u for your reply Marc. My coffees are all medium roast, as confirmed by your tech- Bluebottle Opascope, Four Barrell Coffee Ethiopian Keramo, etc. What I mean by no headroom is we are at 0.30-0.45 with 5 different medium roast coffees. I’ve ordered same coffee beans and some of them needed finer grinds due to humidity, etc. E37SD at this point only has adjustments below 0.30 to play with BUT it clogs (with all 5 beans) when dial is set anywhere below 0.30. I’ve had 2 appointments witha tech from a service ctr see this, one with a live conversation with Phil from your cust support to ensure we had everything right. And yes, with these 5 beans (none are oily) grinder clogs at 0.30 and surely below this. This is what i mean by no headroom. Never had this issue with my 15 yr old Macap- which has much higher grind retention. To me, being able to grind the beans to get extraction right is MORE important than zero grind retention. E37SD great at 0 retention but CANNOT outperform high quality grinders in terms of how fine it can grind before clogging. I really worked on making this grinder work- spending another $680 in tech service fees, but i have to return it as it cannot grind as fine as my older grinder. Sad to see it work out this way, but have no choice other than to return it. Keep making the great vids you do. I learn a lot from you.
@@ezcatch77 I've had this same experience. At the finest grind size that does not clog the machine I can't get an extraction time above 20s with light roast coffee in a 20g basket. I simply cannot grind fine enough for espresso. If I tried going finer than 0.3 (after calibrating to find 0) I'd get about 4-5g out before it clogged and the beans no longer fed through. These were not oily beans or overly watered with rdt (1-2 sprays only).
Hi Chris, I hear ya and sorry to hear abt your experience. Thank you for sharing. I feel validated because I spent over $1000 in having a coffee repair technician come to the house at least twice to see if I was doing anything wrong and he experienced the same. I purchased the grinder from Decent coffee $350, already setup up with a scale, and it works like a charm. Best of luck!
Neat grinder....but that is a whole lot of espressos to pay it off....
Hi Todd, Thanks for the comment. It is super high-end!
Marc
First of all I want to say thanks for your videos and tests. I do appreciate them and your effort!
But I have no idea how you get those results. After I saw your video on the E37S I bought the grinder and made the same tests. I put 18 grams in and got 9 grams! That is half of the coffee left in the grinder! I did everything how you did it in the video. That result is far off of almost zero retention. Also on the measured times, I never get anything near the times you got. Your measured 5 grams per second is way off with my experience. My grinder needs 2.8 seconds for 8,5 grams and 5.9 sec for 16 grams. And I get variations of +/- 1g! Those are my daily results and experiences. Also if you change the grind size it takes a while to adjust which is the first sign for retention.
Don't get me wrong, it is a good grinder and I like it but unfortunately it is not as good as in your videos! And your videos raise the expectations highly. My grinder isn't the newest updated version of the E37S but the version with the newer flapper. I have experienced many grinders and after I saw all your videos on the E37S I was really excited about it, unfortunately it is not as good as advertised! And for the price of an E37S I would recommend a Mahlkönig K30 Vario which is a better grinder.
You have faulty grinder. I'm using E37S and it performs like in their video
@@sergey021 I also have a e37s it performs close to what the video represents, maybe not quite that good but still very good. I just wish the SD was out when I purchased my e37s as I exclusively only do single dose and the worm gear grind adjustment would be nice as well. And now that the price of the e37s is almost 400 less than what it was when I bought it ~8 months ago that is even less money I could get trying to sell it and upgrade to the sd, so I will just stick with what i have.
Hi 3C, You are welcome for the videos. I stand behind my test results. Something must be wrong with your technique or grinder. My guess is it needs a simple adjustment of the SCC flap or you are doing something very wrong or grinding incredibly oily beans. I honestly do not know how it could possibly retain 9g. There's simply not enough room in the grinding chamber for 9g of ground coffee. I would like to offer a live 2-way FaceTime session with you (please have your E37S available) I'd like to see what your grinder is doing and I'll show you mine. I'll have an E37S and E37SD ready to go and give you a live demonstration of my results including grinding speed and retention on both grinders. I'll post a video recording of our session. You are making serious allegations and I'd like others to know my test results are what they can expect with E37 grinders. Please contact us here to setup a time for a live one on one session: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Tell our customer support staff Marc has messaged with you on RUclips and wants to setup a live video session in regards to E37 grinders. I'm generally available 7a- 4p Eastern time and would be more than happy to do a live session tomorrow. Thank you.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thank you for your reply and kind offer! That there is something wrong with my grinder crossed my mind as well. To be fair the grinder works and this is complaining on the highest level! 16 grams in under 6 seconds is still fast. But you start to wonder why its only performing at half the speed.
I didn't meant to make any allegations about your test. I'm sure the results are solid and everyone can see how accurate you work through multiple test. It also would be interesting to see how the espresso shot is preforming on the chosen settings.
I'm wondering now for a longer time why I don't get the same results. And maybe it is just my grinder or it comes down to the settings. But half of the performance just on settings? Yes it could be possible but should it be possible? What variables do we have? There are three variables I can influence. First of all the coffee beans. Then the flap and the grind size. The coffee beans I use are mostly a medium roast and generally without any oil spots. I adjusted the flap according to your video. I opened it fully where it really made a mess but the grind time was of course much faster. I closed the flap and the coffee was very clumpy. So I opened it until it was more or less fluffy. The grind size is fine enough to get 50ml in 25 seconds and a brew ratio of about 1:2 so 16g in and about 30g out.
Well at least its good to read that other users have the same or close to the same results you had in the video. Frankly I feel uncomfortable taking up your time since I haven't bought the grinder at Whole Latte Love but I'm from Germany... Maybe I should contact the manufacture directly about this matter. But if you are interested in seeing a live performance of my grinder we can of course setup a live video session.
0.5 grams retention and 5 grams in 1 second sounds almost to good to be true. Even a Mahlkönig K30 is declared by manufacture with about 4 grams per second. Those performances are truly astonishing.
Maybe I first try to adjust the flap again.
Hi, Thanks for the reply. I'm happy to hear other commenters here confirming my results. I would, as you mentioned have another look at the flap. Again I find it hard to believe the grinder could retain 9g in the chamber unless the flap is not adjusted or working properly. ~.5g or less retention is what I've had on multiple occasions.
Marc