Espresso Grinder Tests & Comparison: Ceado, Baratza, Eureka
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- In-depth tests and comparison of popular espresso grinders including: Baratza Sette 270 & Encore ESP, Eureka Mignon, Ceado E37S, E37J, E5P and E6P. We'll deep test them all and have results of grind particle analysis, grinding speed, timed cycle dosing accuracy and sound levels. You’ll get an inside look at build materials, appraise how the grinders operate, and see how each distributes coffee into a portafilter. It’s everything you need to help choose the right espresso grinder to fit your needs and budget.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:17 Build Quality
04:23 Grind Size Adjustment
06:30 Speed & Sound Tests
08:54 Retention & Distribution
12:41 Timed Dose Consistency
13:54 Particle Analysis
17:11 Burr Upgrades
18:15 Conclusions
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Very nicely done, well-organized, on-point video of these grinders. Thanks.
Hey bacca71, You're welcome - thanks for the comment!
Marc
I LOVE my Ceado E37S. It’s going to last me a lifetime. I might get it powder coated to a different color down the line to freshen it up but those 83mm flat burrs are incredible.
Hey Angel, Thanks for sharing thoughts on your E37S. Those 83s are extra!
Marc
thx - your very best reel.. at the end: conical grinders are more bi-modla than flat burr grinders, being more uni-modal?
I have had a Ceado e37s for a year now and it's excellent. I swapped the burrs for Kompak K8 burrs and the results have been faster grinding and more fines (likely due to the higher number of prebreakers). Overall more forgiving grind adjustment due to the fines. I would recommend that change to anyone having consistency issues with the grinder out of the box.
Hi Ks, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your experience!
Marc
Love my Ceado E37S! Curious about burr upgrades/replacements. What would be typical symptoms to watch out for that may indicate burrs need replacing?
Hey michael, Thanks for sharing the love. Unless you see obvious physical damage (highly unlikely). Replacement is usually based on weight of coffee ground. Ceado rates the stock burrs as good for 800Kg of coffee before replacement.
Marc
I have an Ceado e37j and curious if the red SSP burrs or the Opalglide burrs are better or faster than the original burrs?
Hi, thank you for the video. I’m wondering how does the ECM grinders compare to those two brands featured in this video? Thank you
Hi L, ECM makes 64 and 54mm flat burr grinders. Comparing to grinders with the same burr size from other manufacturers one can expect similar grind quality. Some of the ECM grinders have a worm gear grind size adjustment mechanism which is very precise. In my use, the ECM grinders are slightly more prone to clumping in the grind output.
Marc
Hello was the grind size the same on all of the grinders ..I felt that on the ceados the grind particles were bit bigger with better flow
Great review. I have a question re. burr upgrade. I see the RedSpeed but not the Opal on your Cdn website (?) - which is better for the E37J, or should I wait for your Burr review?
Hey cdn, Thanks for the comment. You'll see the biggest difference from the Red Speed with faster grind times and less heat transfer to the grind. The Opalglide make the biggest difference in single dosing grinders.
Thank you. Is the RedSpeed on your site the Espresso High Uniformity model?
You should test the Fiorenzato allground sense
I love my Ceado E5P. I have it for 1.5 years now. IMO, it is the best 64mm burr grinder for the money. I use it as a single dose machine. The hopper is still in the box. My old Rocky is now used for pour over.
Hey L3, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your thoughts on the Ceado E5P! Totally agree with your value assessment!
Marc
Fascinating, plenty to think about there. It occurs to me that I no longer see much talk of the Mazzer Mini Electronic Type A or its variations any more. I thought that was a desirable grinder with 64mm flat burrs but has it gone out of fashion?
Hey TJH1, Thanks for the comment and question. The Mazzer Mini is a decent grinder - especially 10 years ago. Very solid build. But they drove me nuts trying to clean. The internal threads of the collar adjustment are open to ground coffee and usually get gummed up making grind size adjustment difficult and/or jumpy. Cleaning them out is difficult. Also, the top burr rests on 3 springs internally. Ground coffee accumulates in and around the springs making for another difficult to clean area.
Marc
Had the ceado e37s for 2 years and was not happy with it at all. Grind was beautiful, only issue I ran into was the way it distributed the beans into the portafilter causing a mohawk extraction. I had to doze into a separate cup and then put it into the portafilter to get a somewhat decent extraction. Hope that helps for somone with the same issue
Hey 4, Thanks for sharing your experience. Have to say it's the first time I've ever had a user report of continuing distribution issue. I wonder if the portafilter hook is positioned properly. Also might check the static control flap positioning. The flap is up in the delivery chute - a small flexible piece of aluminum on the output side of the grinding chamber. Bending the flap can change the trajectory of ground coffee as the angle of bend changes restriction on coffee as it moves to the delivery chute.
@@Wholelattelovepage lots of people on forums had this issue, but I unfortunately had to sell the grinder, wish I would have been able to try out those things you mentioned, but could have just been my unit.
Also have the same distribution problem with the e37s. What grinder did you upgrade to?
@@matthewaitken124 the lucca atom 75 grinder. It's the same as the eureka atom 75 but I live in portland and claive coffee did thier version of the grinder it's like a smart grinder but definitely fixed the uneven extraction.. I just wish I was able to fix the e37s because it was a great grinder.
@@400080vikkash I dose into a cup which fixes the problem. Also tried building a mod chute which almost made it better. Ceado should really release a new chute to go over the flat metal one..
Hello Marc I am about to pull the trigger on the Eureka Libra. I love the does by weight instead of time. I plan on buying from you guys. Before I do would you say it’s the most bang for my buck for that feature or would you recommend a different one?
Hi SJBJJ, The only other option for dose by weight in this price range is the Baratza Sette 270Wi. It runs about $200 less than the Libra. The Sette build quality with lots of plastic and wear parts does not match the machine grade build of the Libra. For espresso the larger flat burrs in the Libra are preferred over the smaller conical burrs in the Sette. Then there's the noise. Like the Sette 270 in this video, the 270Wi is loud.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you
In light of a "standard" for espresso particle distribution, ~250 micron median/average, can you report what the burr separation is that produces this distribution for a given grinder & burr set? Not sure that has value for conical burrs, but fairly easy for flat burrs. My 83mm burr grinder is dialed in at 145 micron burr separation for example, but I don't have the equipment to measure the actual particle size distribution.
Hey ross, Thanks for the question. Sorry no data for that. I don't have any equipment capable of measuring burr gap within grinders. I'm curious how you measured your 145 micron separation?
Marc
Will you review and compare the higher end Eureka Atom Pro to the Ceado grinders? Thanks.
Hey lewis, Thanks for the request!
I bought Eureka Mignon Zero for making espresso and v60. I have also tried making use of it to grind cold brew. Experience I have had changing between settings is that there is no clear way to know where I had last set it and when I need to go from v60 or cold brew to espresso, I could potentially over tighten. Is there a way to tell I have tightened back to the espresso range without going a bit too far where I end up grinding metal by accident? Or should I just dedicate this as a espresso grinder and deal with using separate device to grind v60 and cold brew? Also do you know if Eureka zero can do turkish? I never made turkish but it would be interesting to try if I know I have an equipment that can do it.
Hey MLIB, Thanks for the questions. First, know that you cannot end up grinding metal in a flat burr grinder. Yes, the burrs can touch but they are designed in such a way that the cutting edges of the burrs will not touch. The outer flat ring areas of the burrs will touch first and prevent the cutting edges from touching. Worst case is you crank to too fine a setting, run the grinder and the burrs don't spin. If that happens cut power ASAP so as not to stress the motor and adjust to a slightly coarser setting.
As mentioned in this video, with the smaller adjustment knob it's easier to overshoot a desired grind setting. Since you likely have to make more than one 360 degree revolution to go from espresso out to cold brew size or back it can be challenging to track how much to turn. I'd note or mark a knob position for your espresso setting then count the number of full turns from that position.
Another option is to note how far you have to turn the adjustment from a zero grind setting to get back to your espresso setting. To do that, when set to your espresso grind setting without beans loaded, run the grinder and adjust to a finer grind setting slowly just until you hear the sound of the burrs touching (again you can't hurt anything if you're reasonably careful) then quickly back off a hair to coarser until the sound stops. That's the zero grind setting. Once you know how much to adjust from espresso to zero you can go to zero after grinding at cold brew sizes and back off from zero to your espresso setting if that makes sense. Just remember to be careful when finding that zero setting. Don't want the burrs touching and running any longer than needed. So hear them touch and always back off ASAP.
The grinder should be able to do Turkish which will be fairly close to that zero setting. I'll mention I have not used it for that purpose and the grinder may be more prone to clogging at the extremely fine grind used for Turkish.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Love my E37S. I think you mentioned that the opal glide burrs are compatible with this machine. Just want to confirm if this is true/I heard correctly, as I've been told they are not compatible with the E37S.
Hey oz, Thanks for sharing the love. The Opalglide burrs are compatible with the E37S.
Marc
what about the Eureka new Atom 65 touch
I've been using an E6P for a few years now and find it grinds consistently with no static or clumping. I don't like the portafilter holder...... doesn't have enough adjustment IMO but it's pretty quiet, well made grinder with big burrs.
Doesn't seem to get any love on the Decent Espresso site but I like it very much.
Great video. Im looking for a grinder that will do my espresso. I also use percolator stovetop,electric moka pot,drip coffee pot ninja, pour over, and I I want to try a siphon type . My grinder is needing replaced.lm having trouble finding one that I can use for which ever im drinking. I have one with a flat burr looks ceramic. It has always had to be set really on espresso cause I was getting chunks and it clogs. 😢 it apart to unclog it a few coffee beans were stuck. I got it grindinding again. I need one or maybe 2 could you give me some advice. I was looking at the sette, like the fellow alot but not all reviews are good,and ones by Breville..now I see by your video theres others. This flat burr ihave never worked good.when i bought it I didnt know much other then to get a burr . Thank you your help is always appreciated
Hey cl, thanks for the comment and question. Multi-purpose grinders usually involve some compromise. If you're looking at the Fellow Opus that's not a grinder I recommend for espresso. It's limited in dial-in accuracy in the espresso range. I feel the same in regards to the Breville Smart grinder. If you're on a budget the Baratza ESP in this video could fit your needs for moka pot made espresso and other brew methods. However if you're doing high-end espresso it's likely to disappoint.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Thankyou that helps alot.
I have a Baratza encore. Works fine, but my wife wants a grinder that is completely plastic free including the hopper.
Any recommendations?
Hi xx, This grinder has a glass hopper: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-s-automatik-64-grinder-amg-limited-edition
Only grinder I'm aware of that does not use plastic in the hopper. Other options might include a single dosing grinder that does not use a hopper like this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder
Ity does have a bellows made of plastic.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you
Is there a video on how to calibrate a new Ceado E37T Grinder
Hi ray, I do not have a video specific to calibrating the E37T grinder. But, it's easy! For most, calibrating means finding the finest possible grind setting. To do that simply grind out all the beans then run the grinder and keep adjusting the grind size finer with motor running until you hear the unmistakeable sound of the burrs touching. When you hear that quickly back off to a slightly coarser setting until the sound stops. That is your finest possible grind setting. Some call that Zero. Understand it's unlikely this setting will correspond to zero on the grinder's scale. That's true with all grinders unless they have a scale which adjusts separately from the grind size adjustment. Also know it's okay for the burrs to very briefly touch when calibrating. The cutting edges of the burrs are slightly below the height of the burrs outer non-cutting surface so they will not be damaged.
Hope that helps!
Marc
I own a Eureka Oro SD and a new Sette 270wi. I spent months and months trying to get decent shots with the Eureka and failed. I tried everything including getting the bigger dial off of Etsy. It was really frustrating. I was also becoming disheartened at the number of new grinders that are ultra expensive and are much more about art than innovation (basically they are all the same 64mm flat burr designs). I decided to try the Sette. Wow am I super happy! No channeling. Much much easier to dial in, and very consistent high quality shots from fluffy and very well distributed out of the grinder directly into the portafilter. The persistently accurate dose by weight has completely changed my workflow making it easier! Is it loud? Yes, annoyingly so, but for 6 seconds. I can live with that since it is in my home and not a cafe :). I actually think this is a good video. My take away is a little different. It seems to me that the Sette 270 holds its own quite well, and although there is a slight difference in fines, it is a bit misleading to look at raw numbers as opposed to % differences between grinders. Basically for between 20 and 30% of the price of the high end, you can get 80-90% of the performance in a smaller package that doesn’t overtake the typically sized kitchen.
Hey netlaw, Thanks for sharing your experience and take away. All the grinders here have their place and what are important features or qualities for one user may not be important for others. As mentioned I've used the Sette 270 quite a bit and I've always been impressed with the fluffy clump free grind it produces. You're right, it does not belong in a cafe. Very noisy, 10% duty cycle, lower build quality, etc. There is a difference in grind quality and that's more important to some than others.
Marc
Way to overcomplicate the grinds.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. This is what you are showing here - and only that. I generally enjoy your videos, but this one is hard to take seriously. It appears to be a "how can we make the Ceado E37S look great?" video. Of course the Ceado will look great compared to much smaller and cheaper grinders. In stead it would be good if you could compare it to similar class grinders like Eureka Helios 60/80 or Eureka Atom Specialty 75, Mahlkonig K30 or E65S etc.
Hey CM, Thanks for the comments. The intent was to educate on the differences at a range of price points and build qualities. As mentioned the E37S is the grinder we use when testing high-end machines. So we used it as a point of reference - showing how less expensive grinders compare in a variety of metrics.
What is the difference between grinder that are single dose? And they usually have a crooked shape so that all the coffee comes out of the machine. Aren't they better?
Hi mr k, Single dose grinders often have the different shape to help coffee exit more freely. They often have bellows to blow air through the grinder at or near the end of a cycle to push residual coffee out.
Marc
The Eureka is such a hassle to be honest. It stalls at the slightest adjustment. I had to install a bellows to get rid of that issue (partially tho, not permenantly resolved). If you have any tips, please let me know
Hey miko, thanks for the question. Biggest tip is not to adjust to a finer grind size without the grinder running or all the beans ground out. That goes for all grinders regardless of manufacturer although some are more forgiving of slight adjustments to a finer setting.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks a lot Marc. I’ll take note of that next time. What happens if it does it again though? I found that when I did, it still stalled. Do you think maybe some fines slipped beneath the bottom burr?
I have the e37s. How do I remove the portafilter holder tab?
Hey Sand, You'll need to remove the portafilter fork first which is secured by internal nuts. Accessing those is a little involved. Need to remove rubber feet to expose 4 screws on the base plate. Remove those, then the plate. One of the nuts holding on the fork is somewhat accessible. The other is mostly blocked by a tray with circuit board etc. The tray is held on by a number of screws. You will need to remove screws holding tray and push tray out of the way to gain access to the second nut holding the fork on. It's fairly involved with different sized screws internally, ground wires secured by one, etc. Do not attempt unless you are comfortable with mechanical/electrical work. This is an at your own risk, probably void warranty kind of deal.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepagethanks. I guess I won’t be doing all that.
I’d love to find a new high end grinder that is both quiet, effective and durable. So far I’ve not found a grinder that allows me to grind into a dosing cup directly on a scale. This lets me get the right dose by weight and I can stir with my WDT tool in the dosing cup before loading into the portafilter. I can also make on-the-fly grind adjustments by monitoring weight as I grind with a programmed time by dose size. This is my favorite workflow. Only my 11 year old Mazzer Mini E Type A (with portafilter fork removed) let’s me do this. Would love to find another grinder that can do this.
Hey tb, I don't have a perfect solution for grinding into dosing cup sitting on scale. Are you open to weighing beans before grinding? If so, here are a couple of single dosing grinders
www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder
Might be able to put an Acaia scale under dosing cup with this www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-single-dose-grinder-black
Or here's a hopper fed machine grade grinder that grinds to weight automatically www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-libra-weight-based-espresso-grinder-in-matte-black
Hope that helps!
Marc
What is the best grinder that grinds coffee without lumps under 1000 $?
Hey mr k, The Ceado E5P, E5Pro and E6P are excellent choices in that price range. The grinders are essentially identical in grind quality and distribution is phenomenal! They differ in how they operate. The E6P has timed presets. The E5P operates manually with push to grind switch on the side. The E5Pro has a portafilter activated push to grind switch. Special offer $100 off the E5Pro at the moment. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5-pro-espresso-grinder
Here's a link comparing the 3 grinders side by side with current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk2Nzk2MDEyMyw0ODg0OTcxMzU2MjE0LDE1NDU5NTEwMTkwNjc
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so why you didn't choose Eureka Zenith 65 NEO , Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose and fiorenzato F5D? 🤔
@@mr_knight4701Those grinders not currently available for my use
Fiorenzato allground?
Very useful comparaison. Thanks. Nonetheless, a Ceado E37S is 3 times the price of a 270Wi and twice the price of most of the others.
Fortunately it was better 🙂
Hey marc, thanks for the comment!
Marc
what is Refurbished Ceado E5P electronic means in your site? its 50 $ more than Refurbished Ceado E5Pro 🤔
Hi, Often, refurbs are buyers remorse returns. Typically very lightly used or not at all. On return our techs evaluate and replace parts as needed to like new condition. Looks like the E5P refurb is sold out. It was $50 more because the E5Pro is $100 off at the moment.
Marc
I have a seperate question... The brew group in super automatic machines use a silicone o-ring, and the recommended lubricant from the manufacturer is NSF silicone grease.. I thought that those two are not compatible. Could you share some knowledge please. I have many machines and trying to bulk order the correct products
I have the E37 T and I can assure you; it's end game.
Caution: it's really heavy and very large. Almost too much for some folks.
Hey r, yes, the E37T is a lot of grinder!
Marc
Poorly the eureka atom 75 isn’t in the list - good comparison
For future reference, you may want to consider using dBA when measuring noise instead of dB. dBA is a weighted measurement meant to more closely approximate perceived loudness of the human ear, whereas dB is the objective energy of an acoustic wave. Your ears perceive loudness differently depending on frequency. Thats why a low pitched sound may sound quieter than a high pitched shrill sound even though they may have similar dB levels.
hi LW, I didn't label as dBA in the results but the meter was set to dBA.
Marc
Why don't you put one Mazzer ?
Hi mrm, No Mazzers to put up.
I'm sorry you didn't include the Vario. I think its an uncompromising value
Hey rcp, Sorry it was not in this video. It is a good value and I've recommended it in the past as an excellent multi-purpose grinder.
I think you should have at least mentioned that the Sette 270 is the king in price to performance even though it is plastic, it is very repairable.
Hey RE, Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I definitely prefer flat burrs but as mentioned in the video the 270 produces a very fluffy and well distributed grind. It is very repairable and Breville provides good support (in most areas) and information. It is rather loud and I have experienced static issues from time to time.
Marc
Video quality was 🤌
Hey JS, Thanks!
I recently got the encore espresso but is really inconsistent, cant give the same shot twice and im very disappointed in the espresso line
Hi s, Thanks for sharing your experience with the Encore. While it can do espresso it's not at the same level as the higher end grinders in this video.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks marc, what grinder do you recommend for espresso only ? My budget is 1300 aud 😀
My conclusion - for its cost of $200, the Baratza Encore ESP is a great all-rounder that can also make a very good espresso. You could learn on it for many years before you needed to upgrade to a flat burr grinder. Thanks for the comparison.
In depth... every metric measured and compared... except the most important one (and arguably the only one that matters) : how does the shot taste? 😂
Hey i, Thanks for the comment at the end of the particle analysis at about 16:50 I did comment on my subjective take on flavor differences with the flat burr grinders presenting with fewer bitter notes, more round and greater clarity.
Marc