Panasonic GH5 vs Atomos Ninja Flame - Internal vs External 10 bit Shootout!
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- The first in a series of documentaries exposing the GH5.
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Nice job. It seems that as far as quality of image it's probably not worth the effort to use the Atomos. I would disagree with your comment on not needing the external waveform, having used the Panny waveform, it is much easier to read the external monitor's waveform, much easier to pull focus. There are other features that make it useful, but it's great to get validation that you *can* shoot with the internal codec and not worry about image quality loss. I've also found that my slightly older computer handles the ProRes better than the internal codec, especially my laptop. Smoother flow on playback, etc. Thanks for your efforts on showing us the keying differences!
Sorry for the late reply. I really appreciate the comment. We did end up getting a SmallHD FOCUS, for many of the reasons you listed.
While there may not be a huge quality difference there are a few reasons why I enjoy mine. The biggest being the fact that it records 4K Pro Res straight to an SSD. This means that I don't have to transcode the GH5's painful to edit codec and can edit the footage right off the Atoms drive. No need to transfer any files or worry about proxies. Massive reduction in edit time. Secondly it's a beautiful field monitor with many viewing options (albeit thicker than most). And lastly the 10 bit 4:2:2 slow-motion at 1080p is great for editing. While 60p at 4K is nice it's not quite slow enough for most of my "stylized" shots.
Not to mention being able to use the Ninja Inferno OR Flame to see what your LUT will look like (in real time) when shooting in V-LogL on the GH4/5. Also, you can burn the LUT into the recording if you want. Again, potentially saving one TONS of time in post and minimizing your workflow.
Well, the GH5 can use a .vlt file for live LUT previewing, thankfully. Agreed re: the benefits of LUT burn-in (going from 9.X bits to 10 bits as well).
Y’all have amazing content, I’m super surprised and I figured y’all had a couple hundred thousand subscribers. You definitely have become one of my favorite RUclips channels, I’ll make sure to share your channel every chance I get!
The grading and pushing the colors is where the extra information is actually used. Bits affect the color and dynamic range/banding more than sharpness
Thanks for saving me $1K. Subscribed
LOL
The ending is literally how I felt about the ninja...lol..perfect video
Amazing video guys, truly informative and funny
Funny and informative...the RUclips holy grail! Nice work guys
very funny, probably one of the funniest videos about cameras i have seen, great information too, thanks for saving me some money!
Why in the hell do you only have 47 subscribers! this video was great ! subscribed :)
I just bought the ninja inferno..... And then watched this video...
LOL
LOL just watched it after getting the ninja V
What's the name of the monitor cage where you connect GH5 to Atomos? Thx
I believe it is the monitor holder from edelkrone.
Btw loved the video regardless, loved the comedy and editing. Fucking hilarious. I'm subbing
Wow, I may save my money for something else. I am used to trancoding video before editing anyway. Thanks ;)
Now the only reason to use an external recorder is when I HAVE to shoot 60fps @4K 10 bit. Fortunately renting an inferno is cheap. Love this video. You guys are so funny :D
have you tried doing some test gradings? like pushing to its extreme from internal vs external?
Thank you. This video is EXACTLY what I needed as I was wondering about buying an external recorder for the good ole' GH5.
just found this video and boy did I laugh...that 2 min to the end alone is worth the entrance fee...conventional wisdom outta window(I subbed straight up)...gosh am still laughing need to watch again just to see your face lol
what is that large light you have in the video? I want to get one of those
Well. Maybe you don't benefit from the codec or bigger screen but folks. SDHC cards for 4K 400mbps are extremly expensive. It's a save of cost when recording directly to SSD. Try record 2h of footage with SDHC cards or on the go, swaping cards, youll notice that in a price of those cards you get atomos + ssd and its still cheaper. SO for me, even if there is no big of a diffrence, i have a scree, a transcoder, a bunch of SD cards and two NP batteries + charger which i can use for my yongnuo lightning. It's a good nwews for guys who just want to get cool shots with nice codec and sav some money not spending it on external recorder
You're hilarious and deserve more followers.
I'm still going to buy a Ninja Flame, not that I dispute your findings. ProRes plays great with my Mac. The 7 inch monitor is terrific for me. I am interested in shooting log and producing HDR content but It is not a priority for me. Gerry in Calgary.
Does the GH5 have good low frequency detail? I don't know what camera you used for the other footage but I think it handled low frequency detail better. At 8.07 to 8.12 the wrinkles in your forehead was captured very well. The GH5 footage looked like a uniform piece without any significant texture (no lows and highs) in the face?
what parameters do you think will be improved with the all-i 400mbps codec update coming soon?
Usefull video here. The end was funny ahahahaha :)
Love the style guys!
what about when you want 10bit 422 4K 60FPS tho? internal is 420 8bit.
I think Panasonic said that they will release a firmware that promises 10bit 422 in 4K @60FPS.
Unfortunately they didn't.
Well now they actually did
Dreamers, not linkers.
im a GH5 owner and fan. But this information is simply completely wrong. How i WISH that was true!
watch this video in 1.25 speed
Very Entertaining, and Informative
Seems to be the case from my tests as well...so right now the only reason to have the external recorder would be the Ninja Inferno for 10-bit 4K 60p, which at this point really is a lot better than the internal codec when shooting 4K 60p
A useful test to expose the bullshit and marketing hype. Thanks guys!
haha perfect video thanks! subbed
legit spat my coffee out in laughter
Sorry to hear about your coffee.
AH-mazing. Loved this!
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Thanks for this.
Is it any different from the Ninja Inferno? Or is it gonna be the same? Because some people are saying that the Ninja Inferno is the perfect companion to the GH5 bla bla bla. Thank you for the great video! Very funny!
Hey Pumber! I pared my gh5 to the atomos ninja inferno. Also bought a Sandisk ultra II 480 and a HDMI 2.0b. Unfortunately the monitor cannot rec. at the advertised 10bit-4K-60fps nor are there any options for 1080p slow mo (120-240fps). Their customer support offered very little to no help unfortunately, so I thought about asking you based on your experience. Also would it be possible to use a speedy nvme drive (through a SATA enclosure, in the SSD caddy)? thank you for reading this. Cheers!
Make sure you have the latest firmware on your ssd. It won't work otherwise.
Also, be sure you have a proper 4k 60p HDMI 2.0 cable. The Atomos name branded ones are thick and allow that bandwidth to flow through like the light side of The Force. As far as the SSD's, Western Digital have come out with some SPEEDY SSD's.
Thank you very much for the reply. you are right. The problem was a shitty HDMI cable, although it was branded as 2.0b
funny and instructive ! good job. What do you use as external power ?
Sorry for the late reply. It's the Core Power Base 70 with the GH3-5 adapter.
As much I agree with most of you all about the Atomos recorder. I will only be able to record to Mov format with my XLR adaptor as I want the 24bit audio recording, which only supports Mov. I've asked Panasonic why can't they do a firmware update. Anyway, back to the Atomos recorder. As a field monitor it has its benefits, but at a price of £1000 or $1000 depending on where you buy it. My reason to buy it would be to simply use it as a recorder saving to the massive side of SSD's compared to SD cards. I even said to SmallHD, why haven't they released a SmallHD recorder on to the market? I don't think the Atmos Ninja Inferno is a perfect product. But SmallHD should be thinking of releasing a recorder to up their game!
That intro is hilarious
A flame would work for something like a G85 or G7 but a GH5 can basically handle all this itself.
Hey hey! Good stuff. Question: What kind of dummy battery + cable are you using to connect with the external battery source? It's a great idea.
It's the Core Power Base 70 with the GH3/4/5 adapter.
Thanks!
This channel is going to blow up ! Good job. Quick question : Did you compare grading Vlog footage internal vs external ? I find the skin tones to be really hard to nail with the compressed 150mbs 422 internal codec when shooting Vlog...
Maybe you get a better key with Blackmagics Fusion, but the conclusion is the same: why should i buy it
1.This is ninja flame not ninja V or inferno ( it will not do 4k 60p 10bit) 2.gh5/s dont do 4k 60p 10 bit internally 3. For gh5/s atomos recorder is amazing investment,you get external monitor thats larger than te screen,you get alot of exposure waveforms, hdd are more reliable and cheaper than Uhs-ii sd cards, editing atomos footage is faster cause it hase more uncompressed footage than the gh5 so its easier on the program and doesnt lag as much.
Which internal compression did you go for? 150 or 400mbps?
I love you 🤣😂 the best video man really it's so so sooo on point 👍🏼
I love you, too.
What battery/power supply are you using to power both the GH5 and the Atomos? Thanks
Sorry for the late reply. It's the Core Power Base 70 with the GH3-5 adapter.
What's that giant softbox @1:35? Where do i get one?
Did you test V Log L as well? Would the profile even help?
That's actually what we used in this test. So maybe it helped?
And you didn't see how far you push each codec in the grade? Hmm. Maybe the entire point of recording external?
You guys are awesome!! haha
Thanks!
What bracket are you using to attach your ninja flame?
The Edelkrone EVF Holder. It's pretty decent if you dial the tension in right.
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What mount are you using to mount the Atomos to the GH5's hot shoe.
Edelkrone evf mount. It's pretty good if you don't put heavy batteries on the atomos.
You guys are fucking hilarious
Good video, thanks ;-)
Thanks! That means a lot!
Lets go check out the results 3:00, walks back because he forgets the media😜 Dude I'm so done with you🤣🤣🤣🤣
lovely!
It would be great with a followup test after the firmware 2.0 release
Hahaha awesome ! Thanks was about to buy it hahaha
Ahahaha... great!
Anyway, how is the grading difference between internal and external?
Brilliant :))
And the Oscar goes to...
Hahahah, that was so funny! Hm...should I actually go and buy the Ninja V now?!
400th subscriber !
funny video but comparing image quality via a recorder filming the monitor is a bit absurd... at least at the end when you are comparing the two...
I would say... try to keep it simple... ;)
good work
hahaha you made my day bro !!!
LMAO! You guys are hilarious!!! Where can I get a 400MBs SD?
Thanks! Here you go. bfy.tw/EItZ
funny video. :)
Prores sucks. It just sounds more Pro-ey because it has the name pro in it.
Don't forget it also has more rez-olution!
Great funny video!
Guys you should test the footage in davinci ;)
Cheers.
I'm in the same situation
really you only have 15 subscribers ?
Are you ashamed to be seen with me?
dammit.........now I'm trying desperately to remember the movie your referencing
Oddly enough I can't either.
The Girl Next Door
Not sure that's it, as I haven't actually seen that movie (perhaps I'm thinking of a parody)
Thanks! Never saw it.
hahaha well done man I really enjoyed this. Im an avid gh5 user
Thanks! It's pretty neat camera.
But... how does she grade 🤔
So far, it's been pretty good. I've not had issues pulling secondaries in the sky or on skin so far. Something I had issues with a lot in the past with 8 bit footage was keying someone's face in front of a beige wall. This (so far) has been much better and closer to my experience grading, say, the 10 bit external off the gh4. It also comes back from a bad white balance in the grade, but that may just be the camera in general...? Regardless, there's more incoming, so stick around, and we'll try to get more into the weeds.
Awesome thank you ! very helpful ill keep checking back with you guys and thanks for the video it made my day!
Name fits...
Your model looks like my ex prison wife
10 bit 4:2:2 vs 10 bit 4:2:2. what's the point? very funny video.
Thanks! The point was to see if there was any point to lugging a recorder around, which, since we concluded there wasn't much point (for us - others will differ) - it ended up being pretty pointedly pointless. Thanks for pointing that out.
But if you are shooting 4k 60fps you would need the external to get the 4:2:2 10-bit, right?
umm.
Couldn't say it better myself!
hahha
lol
League of Legends? We're mostly focused on media production, but that is a great suggestion!
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