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Do external recorders improve your videos?
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2018
- We tested if we could get any better video quality using an external recorder like the Atomos Shogun Inferno. Here is the camera gear we used in this video: bhpho.to/2JIfqUY 🎥
Atomos Inferno is both a monitor and a video recorder. It is actually capable of recording the video you output from your camera, and make it look even better then what the camera can record internally. How is that possible? Well, most cameras need to compress the video a lot to be able to record on small SD cards and play it back on the camera. The Atomos recorder uses SSD drives, which are faster and actually cheaper. This let’s the recorder capture video with less compressed codecs like Apple Prores. This codec also makes the editing smoother as it is more optimized for editing softwares. And even though GH4 only records 8 bit, it can output 10 bit to the external recorder in both 4k 25fps and FULL HD 60fps, and thereby give you more color information and better video quality. GH5 and GH5s can also output 10 bit video.
The Shogun Inferno is more then just an external recorder. It has a really bright monitor with many features like waveforms, vectorscopes and other monitoring tools.
You can also add markers to your shots, and import that into your editing software. You can add luts to see how the shots would like graded, and you can even see your shot in HDR. You can record and adjust the sound directly into the shogun, with the XLR adapter you get with it.
Another exciting thing, is the option to record Apple Prores RAW. I haven’t tested it myself yet, but it looks like something that is going to improve the video quality a lot. So stay tuned on our social media and subscribe:
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Hello guys. I need your help!!! Tell me please, can i record video from a Panasonic gh5s to SanDisk portable pro 1 or 2 Tb external disk? I can't find information about this(...
Hello this is Cuckoo, beard compression model and synthesist 🤣 Great work with the video! Happy I could take part in it!
cuckoomusic beard lookin good even in 8bit 😂
Thanks for taking the time to join the shooting :D You were a perfect 10-bit model.
cuckoomusic I just goes to comment section to ask “is that Cuckoo on 2:04?” And finally found you! 😆
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I recommend watching this video in 4k and on a big screen to get the most out of the tests :) One of the rewards on Patreon is to get a downloadable "uncompressed" version of each new video. Check out our Patreon here: www.patreon.com/Andyax
Here is the camera gear we used in this video: bhpho.to/2JIfqUY 🎥
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I loved the end bit, I knew you're popular but the way you acted like no one showed up and you're standing alone made me a bit of emotional and then the fun bit came with all those fans of yours Cheering you up!
Fantastic video. One thing about long GOP is that it sacrifices and macroblocks the shadows first and then moves its way up the brightness scale the more stressed it gets. A great test would be lifting shadows in a very low light scene. Here is where ProRes will beat H.264 more soundly. Scenes in daylight will not be as noticeable as color grading night shots with deep shadows. GREAT VIDEO!
Haha in the end, you did get your fans, so wholesome! Haha. Man I love you guys, I always come back watching older videos, wishing I could also start a film company with my friends!
Very good video. Thanks. As with other test videos I've seen, it looks like 10bit codecs don't provide any distinct advantages except for green screen work or grades involving extreme/crazy colour shifts and FX. Nevertheless, the Atomos looks like a great monitor/recorder combo, but the GH5/GH5s internal codecs are extremely efficient in themselves, both file size wise and image quality wise, even at 8bit. I almost wish they weren't - it would give me an excuse to buy one of Atomos' nice recorders. : ) Thanks again.
Andy. Your videos are truly inspiring. You also investigate things not so popular and then make it very interesting. I am now considering external recording.
Yes, it's true! It does improve the video quality because it bypasses the internal compression of your camera when it records to cards. I have done a test with an Panasonic AF100 and it looks way better. And your footage is in industry standard format right off the back. The only downside is file size are humugous so if you are transferring to someone, be prepared to wait while it goes
I think you presented this information well. I use Atomos recorders primarily because of the edit friendly codec and the monitor tool set. I shoot live theatre, concerts and dance recitals with multiple cameras. If I had to create proxies or transcode my footage it would take a very long time. With a high quality monitor I can be sure that my focus and exposure are perfect.
I agree 👍 right tool for the job! For weddings and similar type work I think the Atoms would be overkill
Can confirm, a fresh cup of coffee and a 4k monitor is a great way to process this information. The blocking pattern that's present on the internal footage is also a result of the VQ algorithm for that codec. The best way I like to describe whats happening is by using the water and hose analogy. The actual camera sensor is like a fire hose with how much data it's able to capture and output, but the camera's internal processor, bus lane, buffer, and SD card can only handle a garden hose. So the internal processor uses a codec to compress the data from a fire hose into a garden hose.
Excellent video, and I really appreciate the side by side comparisons. Now I just need to fix my Patreon account so I can get access to the "uncompressed" version!
Perfect Kyle. Glad to see you here. Thanks for the comment ☕
Everything I've used for my gh4 rig, I've gotten by watching your channel. You've got a fan in Seattle!
Cuckoo lead me to this video, and now i'm a fan! I always watch camera reviews and videos, but i have to say, none were this informative AND soothing at the same time, thank you and subscribed!
Thanks Mario :)
Here is the camera gear we used in this video: bhpho.to/2JIfqUY 🎥
Would love to see a follow up video with Prores RAW flavours thrown in the mix
Yes the option to record ProRes RAW and bypassing those camera internal h.254 codecs entirely seems great and has me considering the EVA 1 even if its out of my financial range
Nice production and I liked your ending comments and VJUS clips too. I watched on a 55 inch HD TV. Sorry to miss your Patreon Q & A this morning, I viewed it later.
3 Months ago on the EVA1 vs GH5 Video - I asked about making this precise video. Thank you for doing so. And my mention. (joke I never got one.... ah well....). Here's another idea. Rode lapel microphone with the invisiLav mounting system, stuck to your skin - recording the audio on a smartphone app. V's more expensive wireless systems. I use both. I know which I prefer... I think many of your followers will thank you for it. ;-) Keep up the good work.
i just like the way andy explain in his tutorial so very nice, thanks for this brother
I really really love your videos!
Seriously, I have been watching them for such a long time and it is so amazing what you do :)
Thank you and love send from Germany :)
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Great comment 👍
Incredible great video! No glorifying "review" but a VERY thorough and neutral comparison. Great work!
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Nice video. Waiting for some footages with EVA1 and Apple ProRes Raw.
I love your video style. Really nice job.
This was awesome video!
Enjoyed, relaxed and had a good time!
Thanks a lot!
Cheers from Finland, PERKELE! :D
PERKELE! 😝
Watched the video while drinking a cup of brazilian coffee on my breakfast, as reccomended. ;)
Finally I see a video test that answers my questions about using an external recorder on panny cameras. I had the idea to get the GH4 and, after a while, with more money, get an external recorder so I can get the 10bit Prores from the camera. But I see that, for my type of work, that is more run and gun, it would not make any huge diffrerence.
I love your channel dude, you make everything so simple and easy to watch. thanks a lot! Cheers from BR ;)
It's nice to have a recorder but as you said the benefit is to minor for the added bulkyness in handheld situations.
Opened the video at work, saw "must be enjoyed with coffee", postponed to watch at home and liked immediately ! Yeeeah!!
Perfect ☕☕ :)
Haha! The first sequence suddenly makes me relax! At first, I was so stressing because I can't decide which one to buy.
Nice to see you back again
The GH5s is absolutely amazing for the 4/3 sensor ! Thanks, for a great comparison video !!
Congratulations! It is so awesome that you reached 250k subscribers!!!
Terrific. Thorough, very informative and easy to watch. Not an easy combination.
6:10 i thought that was christopher nolan walking in
I use the Ninja Inferno to record 10-bit ProRes HQ. So, yes, I get much better quality recording with the Ninja Inferno. As your tests showed, using 10-bit gives you way more power in post with color grading and green screen. Which is what you want if you're a serious film maker. If you're only interested in vlogging, it won't matter.
Which camera are you using with the Ninja Inferno? :)
I love how you provide value through your videos! You're such a great inspiration for my channel. Keep it up :)
I have always been a fan of you and your informative (and entertaining) videos! Great work!
Andy, great comprehensive review. Wishing you great success.
"This is a video that should be enjoyed with a cup of coffee."
*Literally paused the video and made myself a cup of coffee
I couldent be the only one
You are the perfect viewer.
Ditto!
I decided to then cast this video to my tv and have a cup of coffee instead of watching on my phone
Thankyou for this test. It is helping me make a decision on my new camera setup..
amazing comparisons, thanks buddy! greetings from Chile
lit video...no wonder you take your time to create such good content for us...just keep it going...we are with u in your journey..
There are many reasons to have a external recorder and especially an Atomos device. First, the Shogun Inferno would certainly be overkill for the GH4 or GH5. Also working with the ProRes codec is much easier and faster on most computers. Also as the cost continues to drop on SSD's they are more reliable and generally have more capacity than memory cards. Finally, there are so many assisting features on the monitor, it's a no brainer. Too many features that were not covered in this video but a nice job overall.
This was the best explanation for what 10-bit really means.
OMG, now I know why there're such that things on post! Thanks you so much.
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This was ridiculously well explained. Liked, suscribed, etcetera, etcetera.
I miss you, hopefully everything is going good and you will be back strong after summer holiday!
Thanks for sharing mate. I have an opinion: there is no difference noticeable by the audience who watches movies, films, commercials, videos. It is just the nerds who want to do research on this stuff, and never produce a shortfilm or any othe thing.
This should have been watched at a coffee :) I watched it turning photos to a time lapse :)
Strange I find the channel now, Love it! I should geek around with my a6500 too in Gruneløkka haha
i just wish i was there to meet u..as your fan..and give a hug for the love i have for u
Thank you very much for your great videos! =)
Thanks Andy your videos always help.
Great video, nice work.
Do you know what the 4k, DCI, HRF and RAW options their including there bit depth and MB/s ?…when recording onto the Shogun from the EVA. We are comparing FS5 to the EVA at present but I can’t find all the info. I thought you may know where to find this information in one place. Thanks :)
good job man! thx 4 testing. regards from China.
I'm about to watch the on my dell xps Katy Lake with 4k resolution to enjoy this 😃
While All-I recording may seem to be preferable, unless you have a really high bitrate the result is often a worse-looking video with more compression artefacts.
Since all-I recording uses intra-frame compression, every frame is basically a stand-alone JPEG image. So a bitrate of 200 Mbps for a 50 fps video gives you only 500 KB/frame. If you instead use inter-frame compression with the same bitrate, the codec can apply the 25 MB of data per second in the frames and the parts of the frames where there's a lot of detail, while at the same time saving data by analysing parts of frames that stay the same over several frames.
It’s a little hard to see a lot of difference because of the RUclips compression too but I get it. Maybe the better choice here would be a Panasonic G85. It maybe better than the Gh4
All the examples in the kitchen setting looked better in 8-bit :D
huge fan of you... keep waiting for the next video... thanks
Konge 😀 gir deg en sub så kanskje jeg lærer litt mer om video. Er helt fersk på dette med video egentlig, skyter med Olympus og har ett par videoprosjekter jeg håper å kunne realisere en dag.
Wow, you are so smart about videomaking. I should learn all of this, thanks a lot for information, greate video and good information for me.
Nice work. Interesting and fun video. 8 bit Video is pretty robust!
The finding fellowship of the panasonic scene was really ackward LOL keep up the goodwork. By the way how can you find the statistic for camera user by brand location?
Back in the days i used a ninja with a canon 5D iii. You could tell a big differenz with a soft grade.
But nowadays the qualiti bump is way less high. The shogun is a nice screen and you can use ssd's.
But besides that, your money is probably spend better on other stuff with small projekts. And you have to deal with way bigger files. And so you need more storage.
having switched from an bmpc4k to the gh5 it is really nice to be able to record 3 hours with 2 120 gb sd cards. The bmpc4k lasted 1hour with pro res hq with 240gb ssd
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very great video, but most important question can be, what's is the difference between sony or any v90 sd card for mov. recording and external recorder - Prores? Probably you will say external recorder has many option and even I shot video in mov. files internally later fcpx or software must to change mov. to apple Prores something? it won't be same quality accourding to external recording, because external recording can shot directly Prores mode and fcpx won't need to convert or do something with algorithm? so ex. recording beats ssd cards even I shot mov internally 10 bit 442 /400mbs.? Am I missing something?
10:13 the gh5s prores looks to have a more magenta than the all intra
Good source you used
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Thank you for your great work!
wow.. this is amazing.. so it means in terms of quality 4K 25p are better than 4K 50p internally?
Don't worry, you have a fan here.
Thank you for the helpful videos!
is it possible to know video has color banding because mostly we can't detect minor bandings......is there anyway to know how to detect color banding on video....and how to remove banding....
Love this video keep going on!
I did a major upgrade when it comes to camera and switched from Systemcamera to Black Magic Ursa Mini Pro. The way I run it (includes SSD recorder, viewfinder) its about 8000bucks cost (but keep in mind this includes a high end viewfinder + Da Vinci Resolve - used for example for Deadpool 2 - color grading software worth about 1000$). After a few tests I can say I will never ever going back to DSLR/M whatever systemcamera. Yes, it is bigger and heavier compared to non cinema/camcorder cameras. But the benefits ultimatly outweigh the cons .... in comparrison. Lets look at it. To get, lets say about the same quality picture you get with the 3000bucks expensivier BMUMP you go for a cheaper Panasonic GH5. Is it really that much cheaper? GH5 1400$ + Atomos Shugon Inferno 1400$ = 2800$ Hell yes, it is cheaper. Why go for the more expensive camera then. Well, for instance: GH5+Inferno renders you almost unable to run around due to the massive unstable setup vs Ursa Mini Pro, one block of camera anabling you to do whatever you want. Ursa Mini Pro: interchangeble lens mounts -> PL, B4, EF (Canon) and F (Nikon). These are not adapters you put ON the mount but changeble mounts. Adapters tend to srew up the electronics like the digital zoom in the GH4/5. Bigger and more powerfull sensor. I can punch in HD material about 600% with almost NO quality loss. Try that with material from the GH5. ISO is not ISO when comparing cameras. I was devastated when I looked at material shot at a concert with both GH4 and Ursa Mini Pro. Both cameras where set to HD at 800 ISO. While the footage of the GH4 was rendered unuseble the Ursa produced beautiful footage. That said the conclusion is that these cameras can not be compared no matter how much you improve the Systemcamera with aditional gear. Save your money, get a real decent camera.
Excellent, great info!
Also please do a test between Prores 422, HQ and LT
I had a hard time accepting some of your results as the entire test was flawed. The GH4 8 bit fed into a 10 bit external recorder *does NOT suddenly turn your footage into 10 Bits !* You have 256 levels of greyscale in 8 bit, *which doesn't suddenly change to 1024 levels just because you fed your 256 level signal into two more bits in your external Atomos recorder.* Unless your camera *outputs a higher level of colour prescision* than what it records internally, then I don't see any advantage, other than getting your footage into an edit ready codec, like Avid DNxHR, or Pro Res.
Unbelievable, you can divide the city into camera brand……can’t stop thinking why，and how do you get those statistics data 😂
Bro, it says Fake News on the bottom left corner of that image. its made up
It's really good review. and good reference to video work.
Great video!
Hi Andy, would you pick the Ninja Inferno or Ninja V for a GH5? Cant’t decide which to get! Or should I just save and get the Shogun Inferno? Hope to hear your recommendations and inputs. Much thanks! ;)
Is there more use of these things for things like a Sony A7 mark I. Which only shoots AVHD codec internally
Amazing information - Thank you
First 30 seconds made me subscribe
Muchas gracias :)
I have the Ninja Inferno and I am just disappointed. I bought it for my GH5 that I bought for my diploma thesis and I wanted to use it as a pro travel setup, but the battery life is just stupidly bad. Out of the 5400mAh ones I get only about 15-20 minutes, which is definitely not enough for 5-6 hours filming in the city, before being able to charge them again. So I wasted kind of a lot of money.
Do you prefer Canon over Sony?
tak! its very technical review.
If I ever saw you on the street, I would have to hug you ;-;
Come to Houston I’ll be one of your fans that come out and support lol.
Do i understand it correctly if i say, it is all about the recorder and not so much about the lens you use. I have 2 cameras on my motorcycle (1 in the front and 1 on the back) and have an external little recorder under my saddle. When i look at the video shot from the 2 cameras it is really not good at all, it looks very grainy and not sharp at all. If i would use a different recorder, would that improve the quality ? I can use all the feedback anyone can give me.
Had a moment before a shoot and decided to watch your video. Made a cup of of coffee and pressed play. And then intro)))
Hi bro...i want to know the key steps in shooting for web series originals......can u help me....
Nice work!
7:30 Can anybody tell me the name of the song?
Wait a second, I bought a GH4 used a couple of years ago and when looking through the menus it turned out that the previous owner had bought the v log activation for it. But does that not give any advantages compared to the cinelike d when recording internally?
The gh4 was geared to be more of a cinema camera within the confines of it still being part of the gh line. No stabilisation, native sdi, 10bit video, great preamp. So, if you are using it for video, it's not expected to use internal recording unless you're going for broadcast. The Grand Tour uses the GH4 in 8bit for this reason. The camera fits into professional settings in a way that the GH5 and GH5s can't. It's still my favourite consumer camera for video work with blackmagic's pocket 4k coming second.
To answer the question directly, if you're shooting internally, V-log L will degrade your footage as opposed to cinelike d.
@@dpc4548 Thanks mate!
Bro, PLEASE tell me the song name in the 240fps pigeon b-roll. Its amazing! And so is this review, i'm considering buying it and this really, really helps.