The Minecraft Piglin Problem
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024
- Today we will talk about mojang/microsoft's odd choice to push out the piglin in marketing, mainly in the new minecraft movie and Legends.
*All builds seen in the background footage was built by me!
Sorry if this comes off as a nostalgia bait ahh video. I don't hate piglins, but I think Mojang should market Minecraft in a way that showcases it's wide selection of enemies new and old.
But they do
I think it only seems like they are favoring piglins, I dont think they actually are. Its just that they made Minecraft legends and didn't expect an immediate fall off, so they wrote the story of the Minecraft movie to have some elements of legends aswell. From what I have seen now it seems like Minecraft movie is obviously not rly vanilla minecart, but rather its own universe taking from all the spin offs, thats why stuff like the double buckets exist. They will most likely go back to normal after the movie dropped and no longer focus on piglins.
@JuhoSprite yeah and it's clear the movie is based more off legends than the actual game or even dungeons which makes sense considering the script was probably written around the time legends was being developed and it's clear they wanted legends to be a big thing with this being a sort of tie in but they didn't expect the fall off but they already had much off the effects finished and well had already hired Jack black and Jason mamoa so they just went with it anyway
It’s cool, besides I also like piglins, but they have SOooo much more variety of monsters in their game to work with. Very limiting for a movie all about “creativity”
imagine seeing a horde of green jack blacks in the minecraft movie
"We... are Zombies."
@@da_purple_lizardHAHAHAHAHA
"My name is Brine, but I am no hero."
“I’m going to make your whole world Wither away.”
@@da_purple_lizard "The Zombies, Are coming..."
It’s also weird cause Piglins can be implied in game to be in a morally gray light, while Illagers are straight up evil imperialists.
I'd argue it's a gameplay choice to introduce Bartering, but in reality and quite obvious, Piglins were always portrayed as the Greedy Brutes of the Nether, they steal gold related stuff and harvested all Netherite in the Nether(stated by one of the Devs before so it's canon). In general they are the "Orcs" in the Minecraft universe being Strength(and gold) over everything while Illagers are that evil imperialist, doesn't want to take over but control the world
I always assumed the illagers were more attuned to barbaric raiders, not so much seeking to control things but simply taking (by force) from others.
Yeah those dudes just command and conquer
@@drowkcaBegasseMthey have mansions, science, and technology better then yours at the start
I think that's part of the reason, though. Piglins can be reasoned with, so they make for better characters.
I don't know why the Piglins are just heartless villains in Minecraft Legends (and it looks like they're going to be the villains in the Minecraft movie too). In vanilla Minecraft they're _neutral,_ and only attack you when you aren't wearing gold. But for some reason they keep getting portrayed as pure evil.
I though Pillagers were supposed to be the main bad guys. :/
@lasercraft32 in legends it takes place in the past when piglins were ruled by far more brutal leaders, who seemed obsessed with conquest, the piglin brutes are likely the few survivers from the War for the Overworld, hence why they are so ruthless and hostile, its possible that "a minecraft movie" in time just after the main game, or judging by the fact that steve is a character in dungeons, could in the time period between the arch illagers reign and the main game where some of the brutes came to positions of power and tried to seek revenge on the overworld
Though I'm sure that if they used illagers, it'd get criticized for just being the plot of mcdungeons
They were always portrayed as these Evil Greedy Brutes in the first place. Stealing and looting things that they want (gold related), they were always portrayed as the "Orcs" of Minecraft. Heck one lore that is stated by the Devs a long time ago was The Piglins are the main reason why Netherite Ore are gone and only some scraps found in ancient debris remains in the nether, they harvested all of it before. Legends even made it clear on how and what they exactly are, Greedy Brutes that only value strength (and gold) over everything
No they go for the marketable plushie 😢
@@FireHeart_ProductionsThe movie isn’t canon. Steve was never an actual character
I thought they wanted pillagers to be the main antagonist but I guess not.
REAL
Yeah, I've always thought of piglins as the villagers of the nether, they're not really that evil.
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My theory is that they expected legends to be even more ambitious and popular than say dungeons so yeah that could be it
@numberonenate
Same like they are just causes of the player cause they live in such a hard inviorment I mean they basically attack anything that's not of their kind
I've been wondering why Microsoft seems so hellbent on making the Piglins the main antagonists of the franchise recently. In actual Minecraft, they come off more as a suspicious and distrusting race that just want to be left alone with their gold, not some dark force that wants to overtake the Overworld. It's very odd, and doesn't make much sense. In my opinion, the Endermen or Illagers make much more sense as an antagonistic force.
Endermen are similar to piglins. They're also neutral unless you look them in the eyes and kind of just build cities in their dimension. Sure, they use shulkers as turrets, but it's just self-defense. They shuffle blocks around in the overworld, but you wouldn't call a duende that like moves vases in your house evil, just mischievous. The ender dragon also isn't a villain because she's an animal, likely a mother carrying or protecting her child, so it's natural that she's very territorial. Illagers are just bandits, it's all they do, they will attack you on sight and raid villages even if you have never met them. There's no faction in Minecraft that would fit better as a villain.
Considering both how hostile the Nether can be, and more importantly how utterly ruined their buildings are- it could be a result of desperation, or the Piglins wanting to survive, regardless of the Zombie Infection they get in the Otherworld.
@@jannafrancis7452 lore wise Minecraft legends is a prequel of Minecraft and the ruined structures are the result of the piglins losing, thus they are no longer a threat. In Minecraft there isn't a particular antagonistic force unless you count in the wither and the ender dragon. Minecraft dungeons is the sequel of Minecraft in the far future (hence the new weapons)and the main is the arch villager. I believe that the problem with putting piglins as an antagonist is the fact that they shouldn't and can't be the main antagonist in a Minecraft movie, it's like saying that the main antagonistic force of all modern countries is the Mongol empire. What's worse is that they go with the "characters suddenly appear in a magical world!" In the most blatant way possible. Thus I believe that the Netflix show will likely be more successful
Not even Endermen. They are just interdimensional observers
I'm convinced that it's in part due to the music videos by CaptainSparklez
They wanted an "evil army" and other mobs simply didn't qualify for the corporate criteria:
- Creepers, zombies, skeletons, spiders, etc, aren't intelligent enough to make formations and have hierarchies, they are just mindless monsters;
- Illagers could work but they would look too uncanny and also they are too human, and since this is a kid's movie we don't our heroes killing "normal" people (especially if they are doing it just because they have gray skin, that is "RACIST"!!!!!);
- Endermen are too homogenous (there is no hierarchy), too scary and also black, wouldn't want kids getting the idea that killing black humanoid creatures is good right? Also I have a feeling they want to make a post-credit "we will go to the end in the sequel!" kind of thing so they are keeping them for that;
Piglins fit because they are intelligent enough to have armies and hierarchies, they aren't too human so killing them is fine, and they don't spoil anything for the sequel.
Underrated comment 👏👏👏 this is very well written !! 😊
This is actualy Very good argument but i dont think mojang thinked in this way
@@brunaotube i mean the hollywood producers not mojang
@@flydrop8822 right
Also endermen wouldn’t make good villains because they aren’t aggressive unless provoked.
Piglins are like Ogres. They have layers
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More like cakes smh
Layers if bacon
They made a Minecraft LEGENDS movie, not a Minecraft movie, thats important
@@TruthKeepersOfficialHD2 It’s still mostly based off the base game, otherwise we wouldn’t see stuff like mining trees and crafting.
Steve isn't a Minecraft Legends character, is him?
@@mado-wh4jv yes, in fact. Watch the intro to the game! He's literally time traveling, time paradox lol
@@TruthKeepersOfficialHD2 None of the player skins in Legends look like Steve. And Steve is confirmed to not be an actual character in the official canon
@@sboy2044 apparently this is a retcon
The problem is not that thety are not cool, it's that they are NOT enemies! It's like "they come from Nether, so they are main enemies!" I see the same with Hades as a villain in Greek-related stuff, like the Hercules cartoon.
Pillagers are the only organised race of enemies in MC.
thats actually so real
The real ones know Zeus is the real asshole
In Legends it’s implied that the piglin invasion was influenced by another entity.
Yeah, i love piglins, they are really cool and enhance my gambling addiction, but even tho theyre some of the most interesting enemies in the game lets be real the best non-end antagonists are the pillagers, they are actually a meanace
@@yes57373 It’s explained in Dungeons’ prequel novel that illagers weren’t much of a threat before the events of Dungeons
I swear they took the idea of piglins' and them being a large threat from the Captain Sparklez music videos.
Exactly that is what I always tough!! The Minecraft movie is practically gonna be fallen kingdom but with a boring story and way less epic
Captain sparklez predicted Piglins before it ever happened
What did i do
It’s not you, it’s Microsoft 😔
@@BathwaterNoodles bruh the pillagers where right there make them the baddies let me and my Boyz rest
@@piglin469bro's tired of being the villain let this man rest 😔
@@piglin469Excuse me sir I gave you 37 gold last time we met could I get more than blackstone and gravel please
replaced my legends, pigmen
I guess they're easy to adapt as the villains since they have intelligence like the villagers, those at the same time, there pillagers as well.
It would make more sense if the Minecraft movie focused on the characters dealing more with pillagers/overworld mobs and if there was a sequel the nether gets a bigger focus and then it could finish off as a trilogy with the End.
I think what's more likely (only if the movie succeeds and there is even a need for more movies in the first place) that we will get the wither in the second movie, and the ender dragon in the third. ORRRRR we could get the wither as a final challenge in this movie, warden in the next, and in the final third one the enderdragon. Or maybe second movie Is not only about the warden but also the water temples/guardians
I would rather it being with pillagers, tbh theyre more iconic villains than the piglins
I severely miss the zombie pigmen, always glad to see them every time I play the legacy edition of Minecraft
I love them too, the piglins and zombie piglins will NEVER replace them.
@@toxic_shr00myou realize that zombie piglins are just pigmans but with a diferent head right? -
I think that's the whole reason i dislike them.
Zombie pigmen were a reference to how minecraft was originally gonna have pig people villagers that were the regular pigs but on 2 legs like players.
The piglins don't really match the '"just a regular minecraft pig but on 2 legs" esthetic the pigmen were going for
@@acoolcat. Tbh the concept of "just pig villagers" sounds boring, beacause Its literally more of the same.
For me, the piglins are a lot more original and cool than just "2 legged pig villagers"
Like, a warmonger pig race that doesnt attack you if you wear gold and are super protective with their resources? Hell yeah
In fact, It fits the nether a lot more than the "villager pig" It seems too nice for what is esentially Minecraft's version of literal hell, but piglins fit the hellish aestetic a lot more and their personality fits as well
not having the illagers as the minecraft movie villains was SUCH a missed opportunity
The producers aparently dont want to get called racist.
@@ignasignas9469 if thats the case then why are they still in the regular game
Finally someone says it. When I saw the trailer all I could think was "Okay guys we get it you like piglins, you can stop now."
I love the pillagers and hate how little attention they get. Seeing them not be the villains for the movie was what broke my heart the most 😢
I think the reason piglins are the minecraft movie’s villains is because they bring higher stakes, considering they are a multi demensional threat to the overworld, while the pillagers are just guy’s
I'd argue the Pillagers are bigger threats, Piglins can only survive in the nether(Unless you count legends but it takes place in the past), Pillagers are the same but for the Overworld, While Piglins are more common in the Nether than the Pillagers in the Overworld, Pillagers have control over magic and knowledge the player doesn't have like totems of undying, vexes, potions and likely entered the ancient cities at one point. The only thing Piglins have over the pillagers are soul speed books that they can't even use, I guess the Brutes are stronger? That's about it.
Lore wise if you ask me, both factions can take over the Overworld, but piglins have higher stakes and has the "will" to do so.
Counting books, novels, and spin-offs, Piglins are far more destructive and really threatening with their sheer number and brute strength alone.
Illagers on the other hand plays the Evil Faction that doesn't really take over the world but rather monopolize and control the world, they have their control over many things throughout the Dungeons storyline because of the Arch-Illager and racing through finding each shards of dominance.
Piglins = pure strength and destructiveness
Illagers = smart evil group who wants power and control over everything
The Endermen would be way better in that role honestly.
@@6Unknown_Source9 tbh it would be cool if there was an update that made illagers and piglins hostile to each other now you bring that up.
@@tangerinepaint3643 tbh, Piglins are pure hostile to both Illager and Villager kind, sure in the game it isn't for some reasons(probably gameplay reasons) and the Devs kinda highlights only them being hostile towards Withers
To be fair, piglins are among my favorite mobs. I love their designs and they're so cool
I'm expecting another Nether Update before they do the End so hopefully if they are heavily Piglin focused they should add some more Piglin variants.
@@somebodykares1 I'd love to see piglin varients from dungeons and legends
Piglins are nice when you are wearing gold armor.
I miss the og pigmen ngl
@randomguy8336 I think the new zombie pigmin look smooth but the og pigmen look sharper and have more depth.
As a datapack creator and map maker, piglins are so wonderful for their versatility for enemy design. They have multiple levels of aggression, they can detect looting chests/gold (which can be customized), they can wear armor, and they can use any weapon.
It’s pretty simple if u relate Piglins to orcs in fantasy genre. A evil horde focused on fighting and strength, to raid a pillage with huge guys and bigger monsters. Besides, a lot of orc iterations are pig based
Captain sparklez was the OG who made pigmen villains
In my opinion Mojang as a collective feels stifled by legacy game features. Their creative weight seems to be thrown more at entirely new content (like the trial chambers) rather than putting a new spin on the old (case in point desert temples and mineshafts have barely changed).
And to their credit, this hasn’t always been a bad move. The nether overhaul is something modern MC can be proud of, and it required an almost total reworking.
On the downside is does mean we see a weird neglect of legacy game features
They really put the Piglins as the "bad guys" in the movie when the Illagers are literally right there.
I think that "A Minecraft Movie" was meant to be a tie-in movie for Minecraft Legends which is why the Piglins appear to be the main antagonists in the movie (Unfortunately Minecraft Legends flopped and was abandoned). Also I think the Piglins and Ghasts are the only designs from the teaser that actually look decent.
yeah they just look like the realistic ninja turtle design by michael bay
I really dislike the texturing on the Ghasts though.
I guess it’s a me thing, but considering the sounds they make, their names, the tears, and all that, I kind of expected them to be… more ghostly? In the trailer they look way too fleshy for my taste.
I assumed the way they flew was just by being ghost-like beings, but the trailer makes them look more like living hot air balloons, lol.
The movie was in production well before they even announced legends. Just because they lifted a few elements from it doesnt mean its supposed to be a tie in
Piglins have been an enemy in fan made animations years before they have been introduced in minecraft
Oh yeah I remember those animations
Notice how you used the word "fan"? The video is talking about the focus on piglins in official Minecraft content.
@@JuhoSprite Bruh the main complaint of this movie is that it's super alienating to the fans. They did something right by making a fan favorite mob have a spotlight even though I'm not a big fan of piglins!
@@Key-Knight87 what are you saying? He is pointing out that bad piglins have been in Minecraft animations before, but only within fan animations. And the video is talking about legends and a Minecraft movie. Its not a valid point. Because again the video is clearly talking about the constant use of piglins by mojang and mojang only, in Minecraft media. and not some random fan animation.
Every masterpiece has its cheap copy (Minecrap movie)
0:15 is “Oinker” a slur for pigmen?
What's up, my oinker?
@@coquetelladid a piglin gave you an O-Word pass?
The piglins do fit more as an antagonist for a kids film since they're the most expressive.
Another thing to note about the piglins is that they were most likely added to promote Minecraft Legends (still in development at that time), similarly to what they did with the illagers.
Also I doubt Microsoft has anything to do with this, they don't really develop the game and its spin-offs and they also don't make the film.
They have a larger influence than you think
Illagers are way more expressive and evil looking than piglins will ever be
it's the weird fixation of hell-like = bad.
From Hades being bad because he's God oft he underworld. Many gods of death are typically shown as villainous/evil too. Not simply antagonistic.
The illagers look like villagers, and they like in plains and hills. That's fine.
The Piglins, they live in a place with lava. Lava is in hell, they're evil.
It's weird because looking at the minecraft legend enemies it's more fitting to have the villains be illagers. The piglins hunt Hoglins, and now they use them as weapons?
The illagers already have the ravager. Also they have magic, axes, tiny ghosts, and already had diverse character models from minecraft dungeons. It's just a bad idea from the top down
It's most likely to appeal to the Chinese market. Depictions of skeletons and corpses are heavily restricted or even banned in China, while pigs and pork are culturally important to them. This is probably why they replaced the zombie pigmen with piglins in the first place, and would explain the absence of traditional undead mobs in the film.
you have seen 1 minute of footage from it Btw
The reason piglins seem to be the main antagonists in “a minecraft movie” is because of Minecraft legends.
Think about it, the script, models, animation, and plot were all likely developed while Minecraft legends was being released, and they probably intended for “a minecraft movie” to not only promote Minecraft, but also its spin off Minecraft legends.
Even if Minecraft legends flopped hard, the people behind “a minecraft movie” would’ve been to far into the development in the movie to back out and remake the plot..
I mean they really should have but this is the world we live in I guess.
Saying Story Mode is the best spinoff game is crazy when Dungeons exists
Is a hard competition of who is the least bad
@@maxuwlBut they are both so good
@@early4thegameNOW no...
One is mid even for telltale stardstands and IT WAS 99.99$ PER CHAPTER
And the other is dungeons
Which sure it has some good mobs, but just not enough for a diablo type game
There no strategies, is respetive because of this
AND AS SO MANY MICRO TRANSATION, yeah dungeons donest only have dlc, it also has micro transations
@@maxuwl you say that as if Minecraft bedrock marketplace has less transactions or something. The only transactions that matter are the DLCs, it's far from pay to win as your making it out to be. The only other paid material is with the tower thing where they introduced seasons and that whole feature can be easily ignored.
@@early4thegameNOW Plus, the dlc doesn't need every player to have the dlc, only the host needs it.
The Minecraft Movie was being planned long before Microsoft took over, and the movie was planned to be live action even then. The script just updated allot because they could not get a director.
Yea, my theory is Mojang put all of their bets on Minecraft Legens succeeding and thus made a Piglin-centric script to promote it. After Legends was somewhat of a failure, they had too much of the script written to change it so they kept it.
You know that Minecraft was bought by Microsoft after the launch of full game (aka outside of beta) right?
@@maxuwl Yes I am aware, the Minecraft Movie was planned before Microsoft even bought Notch's share.
Notch shared a picture of "Minecraft: The Movie" Script back in February 2014, Microsoft bought Mojang in November 2014.
i wish pillagers were the main antagonists , they have way cooler weapons and stuff , christ pillagers had crosbows and axes first and they have way more , not only that but magic is dope as shit
illagers are way more threatening than piglins, i've died more to illagers than piglins in my entire time playing minecraft
@@slorms7838 piglins are chill actually (except brutes)
I don't know why but out of nowhere I started associating Enderman with the Jonkler meme and he says "why so serious?" when you look him in the eyes
This is so stupid I love it
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For a game that doesn't want to introduce anything that could promote any tiny hint of animal cruelty, they sure want you to beat up those pig people
Between the movie and legends Minecraft has just become completely obsessed with piglins and the nether and I wish I knew why.
Cause they are cool af. One of the most popular mobs and it was the most popular update.
This feels exactly the same as the Pokemon franchise trying to push evee to be on the same level of recognizable mascot as Pikachu. Like, bro, you can't just do that and alter the public perception of whatever just by repeatedly shoving it in our faces.
Eevee is peak tho
The answer is really simple.
Villagers: the good guys, peaceful, sell you stuff.
illagers: the bad guys, 100% hostile, "pillagers"
They are both humanoid mobs with nearly identical models, the main diference being skin color. If you can guess where this is going you already know why they chose the piglings
#Bonus round: the kind of people that see that as a problem once checked WOW, saw a barbaric looking green skin orc and claimed blizzard was misrepresenting black people
If I had a nickel for every RUclips video that had "Minecraft's" and "Problem" in it, I would be rich enough to buy a time machine and prevent that dumbass Phineas and Ferb line from being a ever being a thing
Here's my take of mob factions being villains in Minecraft.
I always found the Illagers to be more of a vilain faction. I took that they where peaceful villagers at first but devided from the other villagers as they became more aggrisive over time until they got the mindset of if the other villagers aren't with us ther against us along with anyone the villagers ally with.
With the Illagers gone peace returned but they still needed protection at night from the hungery zombies so the iron golems where built.
As for the Piglins i'd say they tried at one point to invade the overworld but where not sucssful as thir portals became ruined along with the Bastions where they once buit up their forces. Over time i think they have calmed down and are even willing to trade with outsiders just so long as they show they have the gold for it. The Piglin brute still remember the nether invsion and don't care for any trades.
So that's how i see the different mobs to be like, I find the illagers more dangerous between the two.
Tbh, Illagers are more of a threat rather than Piglins. Plus changing the lore of Piglins being this evill ahh empire that is trying to takeover Overworld dosent make sense, cuz in vanilla they are just a race of pig-like humanoids that are so greedy for gold and try to live on in their ruined bastions or in crimson forests. Illagers literally explored ancient cities corrupted by a maliciously dangerous virus (you may find sometimes in acient cities strange buildings that look like towers made from dark and birch wood, common materials Illagers use to build stuff), have raided tons of villages and have setted up bases all over the Overworld. Hell, they even made a wool replica of End Portals room, like they've been there already. And Dungeons chose correctly who should be the primary antagonist faction.
tried*
The way Mojang tries to hype up cross bows
When?
I've thought about this, too. I feel like it might have something to do with portraying players fighting them: illagers are clearly the same general species as the human equivalent villagers, so it seems more like killing people. Piglins might have a sort of "buffer" layer: they're all evil monsters, it's okay to put them as the main villain. Admittedly, there's a LOT of stuff showing Steve and Alex fighting illagers (including Minecraft Dungeons), so I might just be delusionally reaching for something here.
I hate the push of villainizing piglins even though they’re just tribal people who have to be brutish to survive in literal hell while the actual invader racist magic cult Illagers are right there
Honestly I think Microsoft saw the Fallen Kingdom hype and then just solely focused on the piglins and it’s just weird that they just be like “look angy pig” cool. You have so much variety and you chose only one
I'm glad other people are taking note of this. I first noticed the "piglin push" all the way back when steve was added to smash ultimate; the piglin is one of the few minecraft spirit battles, and while there are other iconic mobs I just feel like they could've picked something better. and this weird trend extends beyond piglins. you'll notice that the warden had been hyped up a lot as minecraft's big and scary monster while being a relatively small part of the game overall. and my biggest issue comes from stuff like new advancements and splash texts always revolving around new stuff from updates and not acknowledging pre-established features. did we need two advancements about waxed copper?? did we really need a splash about hanging signs?? recent updates really insist upon themselves and it irks me a little. this pretention is probably what bothers lots of other older players
They add new advancements with each update
Ooooh, but you're being extremely selective when talking about smash. Yes they are one of the Minecraft spirits but cmon, Skeletons, endermen and zombies are all PLAYABLE CHARACTERS. That's much more love. And the enderman doesn't even make sense as a Steve re-skin, the proportions are all off, the more logical thing would have been to put pigmen/piglins or even Illagers there.
Also, for the spirits. Besides the Wither, the only offensive mobs missing are the Illagers and the guardians. Even villagers got in with the Iron Golem. Not exactly few when compared to the actual number of offensive mobs we have.
About the advancements. They work as tutorials, too. Not exactly easy to guess honeycombs and axes for putting and removing wax. And two advancements really isn't much... Don't really get the complaint, since most other mechanics in the game also have one or two at max, including the most recently added...
Btw, obligatory "it insists upon itself" (read in Peter Griffin's voice)
I'm sorry but this reads like it was written by a pretentious genwunner pokemon fan 😬
I think they need more achievements of the newer stuff so that newer players that avoid the wiki could actually interact with the features more, it's pretty entertaining to watch.
Like the archeology achievement doesn't feel descriptive enough, wdym I need to brush suspicious blocks? How would they identify that it's just sand and gravel from generated structures other than an easily missable texture change.
I also thought pillagers would be the main villain or someone creating tons of mobs to kill the protagonists. Piglins were never in my mind whenever I thought of a minecraft movie.
Honestly, I blame Minecraft legends for all the most recent things that I dislike about Minecraft. It was stated by Mojang that the concept of piglins was created for Legends, and they are by far the worst part of the nether update for me. Disk 5, the shitty lore bait trying to seem like disk 13 or 11, seems to be tied to the story of Legends where someone from the main Minecraft game goes through a portal into the Legends game. In fact, I entirely believe that the Minecraft movie was meant to be some sort of tie in with Legends, with the piglins, the characters arriving through a portal, etc. I don't really have a point to end this on besides that I hate Minecraft Legends and think that Minecraft would have been better off without it.
While I do somewhat dislike Mojang making them into the games' "bad guys" (The illagers fit that much better as they actually do evil stuff like raid villages) I do think they are way more original than giant spiders, zombies and skeletons, which by this point are standard procedure for anyone wanting to make an enemy creature in a fantasy setting, while piglins are not the apex of originality they surely are better in that department than any of the previously mentioned creatures, with the only similar and well know example I can think of being japanese orcs, which are usually depicted as pig people.
Also, while I do not prefer piglins as bad guys I do think it makes sense to have them play that role. There's not much you can do with zombies, skeletons, spiders, creepers and endermen as the game never even hints at them being something more than monsters which are there to kill you or be killed by you (with the possible exception of the skeleton which can also be found in nether fortresses, thereby hinting at them maybe playing a larger role in the world) meanwhile piglins do have a lot more content related to them, structures where they live, patrols which hunt hoglins and fight skeletons, a pool of items to barter for and a clear fixation with certain game elements like gold, which gives writers wanting to create an antagonist force much more to work with than any other mob aside from maybe the illagers.
I also understand why playing into the 'illagers as bad guys' thing too much could be a source of undue controversy as having the bad guys of the best selling game in history by a bunch of dudes with big noses and shady dealings could be bad PR for Mojang and Microsoft. I am not saying illagers are antisemitic or anything, just that I understand why big companies who don't want to lose a penny over anything would like to avoid that discussion regardless of how baseless it is.
Also: How can you make an entire video about the piglin and act like its a wholly new idea without even pausing to acknowledge that its one of the few ideas from notch that made their way back into the game long after Notch stepped down as head developer?
what everyone doesn't know is that villagers WILL make an appearance in the movie, both in the minecraft world and irl segment.
Not only are we not getting the cake we want, we're able to see it horribly made right in front of us.
To me, I imagine it's to increase the amount of players actually going to the nether/end, since the percentages are still low
If you ask me, either way is fine in Minecraft you can say that there are "4" main factions that are antagonistic to the Player being
Illagers, Undead (which is ruled by the Nameless One), Piglins and End.
Why hype piglins for like twice in a row(Legends and Movie)?, They might not be iconic but they act as the typical Orc+Goblin monsters in typical fantasy stories which is cool, but why Piglins? just a choice since Illagers, Undead and End are already showcased in Dungeons
I've seen people complaining them being portrayed as Evil by Mojang, and tbh they were always that "Greedy Brutes" of the Nether, they steal, plunder, and grow in strength. They were never portrayed as neutral or innocent creatures.
I felt kinda sympathetic for them because I'm part of the group that thinks the pig presence in the nether is because the ancient builders bringing pigs to the overworld and when they somehow turned into the piglins(and hoglins) we see today, the ancient builders forced and conditioned them to mine gold for them, which implanted them with the desire and value of something that doesnt really mean all that much to them. also that they also were ordered to mine netherite and because those operations went overboard, all the netherite became very rare to come back.
They only plunder each other, nether fortresses and bastions (I think), and they don't go into the overworld. You're much more likely to care about the overworld being safe than the other dimensions.
@@da_purple_lizard I don’t know if they have any “jurisdiction” inside the nether fortresses, but I also think it’s pretty cool how piglins will refuse to attack each other because they are piglins rather than illagers who will attack each other
@@da_purple_lizard Piglins literally ruled the Nether, they gotta firs conquer Nether to attack the Overworld. They do not plunder eachother thats for sure. They can only raid nether fortresses which are also falling apart in vanilla cause Piglins probably stole everything already. The undead stand no chance against the Piglins cause they are big in numbers like undead but they are far stronger and more intelligent and ride the mfking Hoglins.
Pig people species isn't THAT common in media. Including Minecraft I can only think of like, two. That is, if i'm not counting one-offs like the ones from Courage the Cowardly Dog.
Personally i feel like the funny pigs are iconic in their own way. I like em.
Anwyays, yeah, the antagonist choice for the movie is REALLY weird. Endermen and Illagers would've been a much better fit. Too bad they weren't willong to actually give a good art style to it.
It's just me or people just started to say that Minecraft Story Mode is good out of nowhere?
I remember most of people memmeing, saying that it's not good and dunking on it when it was still alive.
Some of it is from the people who grew up with it while they were children, another part is that mojang's recent content has been extremely lacking and yet they often refuse to take advantage of the concepts introduced in their many side games.
Piglins and Illagers are the best villains we've got because they're intelligent, alien, and hostile. Endermen could work, but the evidence for their intelligence is actually quite scant because they have no obvious relationship to End cities. You can't have King Creeper and his creeper army because they're literally just some weird, unpleasant nocturnal animal. You also can't have a wizard creeper doing dark magic, like Evokers or the Seer.
Piglins and Illagers also have clear moral themes: Piglins are greedy, while Illagers are resentful/vengeful, and both are hostile in general. It's unambiguous that they deserve to get smacked.
Lastly anything End related means massive lore drops, and Mojang might want to use that sparingly. The End being the last place we go, and the last place the ancient builders seemed to explore, makes it inextricably tied to Minecraft's biggest mysteries, and some element of mystery always needs to be kept there.
Hot take but Mojang was done a good job with both Illagers and Piglins. The Great Hog and the Arch Illager were both good antagonists, and both mob types are fun in-game.
They should definitely do an End update to flesh out the Enderman faction(I'm not one of those people who begs for an End update)
Wth is a “King Creeper”?
@sboy2044 a creeper antagonist that doesn't exist because creepers aren't smart.
@@B463L So did you just make up a name?
@sboy2044 yes. I was explaining why a "King Creeper" character, or anything comparable, does not exist.
I think the main reason might be that you can easily get away with making large hordes of identical bad guys with piglins than illagers. Also, baby piglins can be used for marketing.
why didnt they just call the "zombified piglins" zombie piglins
what's the difference?
@@ambientNexus zombified probably is like being bitten and infected or get COVID from a cough or the air
While
Zombie is technically undead rise from the dead sort off
none really it just sounds way better
THANK YOU, I was only questioning why they're focusing on piglins instead of literally any other mobs.
I quite like them ngl. It's better to add a new. iconic enemy in case of backlash from changing an original one.
I like the notion of piglins, but the way mojang makes them the bad guys invading makes no sense with what minecraft currently has. A minecraft movie should reference experiences from the actual game that players remember, things like the first night, not knowing how the game works, the first encounter with a mob, building the aether portal only to fail, finding diamonds for the first time, going to the nether and killing a ghast, getting blown up by a creeper, herobrine and things like that. I'd like the movie to be filled with such callbacks while also having a narative that makes sense and is not only for young kids. Even the sonic and fnaf movies got the references to iconic moments in the franchises right, despite both having some controverises. But the minecraft movie looks unredeemably bad. For me it's not necessarily the hyperrealism, but the fact that the cast of characters seems to be chosen randomly, and poorly green screened on a world that does not resemble the source material. The whole trailer makes me think the entire plot would be a worse minecraft themed jumanji mixed with the plot of legends
I'm like 99% sure you looking to much into it
Pigmen > piglins
Old Zombie Pigmen are better than Zombified Piglins
Finally, someone calls out Microsoft for overhyping pigskins when the fact is that they are just worse piglins. This vid is way too underrated lol, I hope this video takes off.
"I found the final solution to the piglin question"
-illager
It's just that uncreative writers and artists only know how to write "good vs evil." They don't understand how to thematically handle a "man vs. nature" setting like Minecraft so they gravitate to the demons from the underworld as some kind of faction opposed to the heroic Steve.
I’ve had the exact same thought and discussion before. It’s most certainly a branding decision, the same reason they’re adding a fleshed out lore and story to the game, and the same reason they changed all the textures.
Part of what makes the creeper so iconic isn't its simplistic design, or the fact that it is original, but the fact that it's an enemy that can ONLY really exist in minecraft. The main threat of the creeper isn't the damage the explosion does to you, but more so how the explosion destroys the world and griefs your build. It adds a whole new threat that no mob but the ghast and enderman I guess is able to replicate. Put it in another game, and it's just a generic exploding enemy. In Minecraft though, a creeper near your base is possibly the most scary thing there is besides herobrine. Also, the green texture adds some camouflage with all the grass in the game and would be out of place almost anywhere else.
Truth be told, I never really liked Piglins that much, especially since they completely replaced the Zombie Pigmen in favor of "Zombified" Piglins. I've grown to warm up to them as the years have gone by, but the big Piglin push that Microsoft/Mojang is trying to go for is making me not feel great about them again. Minecraft has so many iconic enemies, and pushing them to the wayside in favor of Piglins, Piglins, and more Piglins upsets me.
i would go out and say that piglins are iconic minecraft mobs to newer players. partially because of the marketing but lets not pretend minecraft didnt market to us as kids. creepers are the most iconic mob for a reason. theyre also generally more marketable than skeletons or zombies since both of those are kind of standard video game enemies. theyre not particularly special outside of being blocky, and this movie hates the blocky minecraft aesthetic for some reason
enderman are cool and also a very iconic minecraft mob but the end is horribly underdeveloped, i hope we get an update at some point that brings in some new biomes or structures so that the end can be used for more than just elytras and shulkers and if youre really deep in it, exp farms.
i think mojang is being held at gunpoint by mircosoft, they have their own ideas but microsoft has theirs, and whatever microsoft says goes. piglins are the most marketable mod aside from creepers and the 1.16 update was such a massive update and a huge turning point for minecraft so it makes sense why microsoft would go "these guys are what makes us money" since the nether update caused a huge resurgence of popularity
"in comparison the piglins are a lot more familiar.. first of all it's obviously based on pig and pig are something we are familiar in REAL LIFE..i hope.."
what really irks me about the piglin is how rushed its texture is. the limbs were hastily put together and were copied and pasted without proper shading to make them fit the rest of the model. the head of the pilgin was also directly ripped from jappa's pig texture, without editing the massive shadow near the back of the head (which comes from the pig's torso, which is connected to the back of the head rather than the bottom) i have my own issues with jappa's textures, but whoever made the piglin texture was clearly someone separate from him who doesnt understand basic pixel art or jappa's decisions behind the pig's shading
I still remember that one image we got on the streams or something where everyone said it looked more like anime girl wearing a pig hoodie.
I don't disagree. We probably should get different mobs as enemies from time to time.
That being said, piglins are good villains, even if they're not totally evil. They are fun guys to see, they can be goofy AND scary, and the fact that they come from the Nether puts them in a bigger contrast when compared to Illagers.
I only contrast them with Illagers because they're a sentient faction. They also offer more depth because you can actually deal with them. Plus, I do think you're right about the Illagers and racial stereotypes. Not a good time to have them as villains, for sure; It'd spark some conversations I'm sure they want to avoid.
I do think you're wrong about the endermen thing. They are probably just saving them for an "end" movie/media in general.
There are so many better options for main villains. Ender dragon (duh) and the end by extension. Opportunity to give lore to the dragon. OR THE WITHER, a corrosive force that despises all life. That’s a much better premise than “we’re gonna take over the world!” type piglins. Warden could be a conflict for like the half way point of the movie. All in all they have much better options and this movie’s making up to be a minecraft legends promo. We will not see one zombie or skeleton, and creepers will get a 5 sec cameo
Well obviously they put them in promo material, they are a mob you encounter often and they have a good design imo
I think the reason is because Piglins are both organised and are not defined by another mob, mobs like zombies, creepers and skeletons are just random monsters and are distinctly not an organised group, meanwhile Pillagers are defined by them being the opposite to villagers, Piglins can exist as a convenient chaotic evil faction without having to explain anything.
i wonder why piglins are so used now they in minecraft legends the minecraft movie they seem to be making them the main threat
I think Twitter would have had a meltdown had the Minecraft movie trailer had Villagers. Because they take 2+2 and get 5
Piglins will never be the main villains in their current state because they're not serving a greater boss and you don't see them often enough.
Like, they only exist in the Nether which you will spend maybe like 5% of your playthrough in. People only go into the Nether to get what they want and leave usually.
And if you simply wear gold they don't attack you. So they're just an annoyance.
They're kind of on the same level as ender men in that regard, except ender men actually appear in the overworld too. But at least endermen are serving the Ender Dragon.
I could see this change if the Nether gets its own boss on the same level as the Ender Dragon. Then piglins would actually be servants of this greater evil.
Piglins actually are an iconic enemy to a decent chunk of the playerbase, specifically fans of the "Fallen Kingdom" series where the main antagonists are Piglins.
imma just say it, if the creeper was added in the present, people would be complaining about it. cool video btw
Just because they are from Hell, it doesn’t mean they are evil. They just hate bad drips and love them shiny gold.
"Why" is easy to answer - because piglins were added AFTER minecraft fell into microsoft greedy grabbers.
Notch had a unique style and unique approach to development. He could afford making mistakes, and he absolutely owned his sh*t. He didn't had a business plan, he just did stuff, saw how it worked and tweaked it until he liked it.
Microsoft is a company oriented on first and foremost MONEY. They don't create new - they exploit what is already there for what its worth. Piglins aren't all that creative design-wise, it's just antro-pigs, furaffinity was full of that stuff long before piglins were a thing. But that's all minecraft can do as a corporation.
So they do best they can - try to substitute the image people have in their heads about minecraft. It's like they are whispering "no-no-no, minecraft isn't about exploding peat monsters or scary shadowmen pilfering your stuff in the night, minecraft is about cute piggies! And trading! And sharing! Very family-friendly!". I can 100% guarantee you, if they could have removed all the things Notch made and only keep the title WITHOUT loosing all of the fanbase - they would've done exactly so. But they know way too well the day they announce the removal of Creepers will be this game's last.
why cant they use pillagers? they cool! we dont want minecraft turnin into frickin angry birds!
Shoot, i wouldn't minded that. Minecraft becoming Angry Birds sounds like fun!
1:23 its not the best spin off "game", objectively minecraft dungeons had the best gameplay and was the most promising. Story mode was pretty lacking, even for telltale, they've had much better clicker games before story mode. But I do understand that nostalgia plays a big role in this.
Not that it's the best, but I think story mode is remembered and talked about more compared to other spinoffs. Especially since there are some memorable characters like Petra or ivor.
@@_Kita thats cuz it came out at the height of minecrafts popularity
Hell yea it’s way better than dungeon ☠️
You can’t say the story isn’t better. The story was so peak everyone still remember and almost everyone forgot dungeon
@@pixxel_fire "everyone" ? who are you talking for?
@@JuhoSprite every Minecraft fan I guess 🤔
The main villains would be illagers and the enderlings not the piglins as they are a neutral race😭
They are far from neutral. The movie has them because it seems to continue Legends' story (there are a few characters from that game)
@@artturisairinen3255It doesn’t “continue” it. The current movie draft was in production around the same time Minecraft Legends was in development, leading them to borrow ideas.
The enderlings were mostly a last resort by the Orb of Dominance. Otherwise it would just abuse another race to do its work
@@sboy2044 It shows what happens to the final remaining named antagonist after her fate was left unconfirmed in the game. That's by definition continuing the story.
@@artturisairinen3255 It’s a different interpretation of the character. The fact that Steve isn’t an actual character in the official canon proves that the movie isn’t part of said canon.
Bruh piglins would immediately become zombies after 30 seconds in the overworld (IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE)
In Legends (and in the official lore in general), piglins avoid zombification by inhaling spores from Nether fungus.
@@sboy2044 yeah but this ain't legends
@@Tesseract-dimensions-63527 The movie takes ideas from the official lore
I do like Piglins as the go-to opponent mob (in principle)... And it may be my nostalgia there as well, as Pigman served as the 'organised' enemies of the good old Fallen Kingdom tetralogy, over a decade ago. And the modern Piglins? They are honestly well suited for the role of villain.
Lets make some comparisons! Illagers vs Piglins!
They are the only two groups of enemies that have their own constructions and utilise weapons, which are not undead. Zombies and Skeletons are not known for their organisation skills.
Illagers are always hostile to you. Piglins are hostile to you only if you do not wear gold (Which can be interpreted as a disguise, a distraction or possibly even a sign of alligence with them. Up to you, regardless, their default is hostile, unlike other 'neutral' mobs.)
Illagers are Overworld & Piglins are Nether. There is benefits to either, but being hidden away to the Nether makes them fit for 'having things we do not know about them', as you are not really expected to spend much time in the Nether. It also makes for great scenery for contrast. You know when you are in Piglin Turf.
Being contained to the Nether also makes them arguably later-game foes then Illagers, so that is a plus to the Villain roulette.
Anyways, Legends Spoilers! Quick Plot Recap!
The Legends Worlds Caretakers had run it essencially on Ultra-Peaceful. Everybody is friends! But the Piglins where not invited, and did whatever they did in the hostile enviorment of the Nether, and now came to the overworld to be quite literally Bullies. They are not nice to each other, but even their smallest runt can make the Overworldlers cower in fear, and they love that power-trip.
So the Caretakers go bring you out of your Survival World to do the fighting in their stead, cause they ain't much of a set of fighters themself.
One by one, you inspire the different 'hostile' mobs to aid you in the fight with their special abilities, and in the finale you even have villagers pick up arms to your aid, as you beat the invaders back into the nether and close the final portal they come from. Then in the Epiloge the Caretakers pull a Fallout 1 on you. You are a Hero, and you have to Leave. All the violence has changed the Legends world irreversable.
In fact, it is more then just implied that the Villagers that took up arms to help you will become this worlds Illagers as they can no longer re-integrate into the villager society properly. Unlike the mobs who have natural abilities that helped them fight, the caretakers where actually quite concerned about the Armed Villagers because 'They where not supposed to fight. They should not need to.' So your Heroism was a bit to inspiring and in turn leads to societal collapse down the implied timeline.
Anyways, a Minecraft Legends Movie could have worked. This is not a Minecraft Legends Movie from what I can see so far.
“Pig fantasy races are nothing new in fiction” ah yes, when compared to Minecraft’s incredibly unique designs of a big spider, a walking skeleton, and zombies. While there are some good points made in this video, I don’t think that the fact that the idea is bland and kind of overused is the issue. The Minecraft movie doesn’t look good though, so we can agree on that.
Piglins really should have zombie pigman proportions. The ears and nose are just.. idk, too many blocks in head alone for a regular mob to be honest
why did Mojang call what should have be called "Zombie Piglins" into "Zombified Piglins"?
It bothers me how much Piglins are being pushed in our faces. Trying to rebrand Minecraft is an unnecessary effort. It's unnecessary to focus on something as trivial as Piglin when the game has so many iconic characters, especially Creeper. The new mobs added to the game in recent years feel like Minecraft clones. There is nothing unique about them. I'm sure Mojang/Microsoft would like to change even the creeper skin in the base game. They are ruining Minecraft's unique identity.
Let’s be honest, the creeper texture is ugly and should be changed. The only reason people like it is because of nostalgia factor.
@@moodstorm7not really it looks good but the only problem is that they are not camouflage enough but I will accept if the texture for creepers change
@@moodstorm7 not nostalgia, rather recognizability
You're blinded by nostalgia, things like the Warden are way more creative than the creeper could ever be (the same as a horrendous texture that should be updated btw!)
@@footl0se did you miss the word "iconic"? But yea, sure they look better, but now they're generic pixel art instead of the sheep's face, something unrecognizeable on it's own without knowing the game. Unique.
The answer to this is simple: The current movie draft was in production around the same time Minecraft Legends was in development, leading them to borrow ideas.
It’s not like a pattern or a specific enemy being pushed in our faces. It was originally just meant to be a Legends thing, but it ended up being in the movie due to it being a product of its time.
Who knows why they do this. Some guy in the Microsoft offices demands the Piglins be at the centre of everything, so Mojang makes it so. The shareholders work in mysterious ways.
Not going lie I prefer Zombie Pigmin to Zombified Piglins. I miss Zombie Pigmin I wish they were still in the game.
I think that the idea for Piglins being the enemy of Minecraft Legends is fine, and I think that at least one of the reasons Piglins are the villains in the Movie was to tie in with Minecraft Legends, but it failed and it was too late to do anything different.
I thought Enderman were the main protagonist. They are destroying the overworld and the Neather block by block. Final boss is at their dimension and we fight the Enderdragon.
Here's what I think: they need a villain. Creepers don't attack Villagers, so they seem to be part of the fauna (?). Pillagers might seem too "human", as characters in, for example the movie, might try to save villagers/"humans" by killing other "humans". Endermen are too weird and zombies/skeletons are just too generic.
I'm guessing they're just copying captain sparklez and his series since pigs were the main enemies of that