Will NASCAR Compromise With Team Owners Requests To Get Charter Deal Done? | Dale Jr. Download
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- Dale reacts to an article by Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi of The Athletic about the NASCAR charter agreement. Dale explains that NASCAR's charter system is at the center of a heated negotiation battle with team owners, including Michael Jordan of 23XI Racing, pushing for changes. The article highlights how the current system, unlike other major league franchises, has teams concerned about the future, especially regarding charter expiration dates. With no clear resolution in sight, Dale is concerned about the uncertainty of the sport.
Dale then talks to 23XI co-owner Denny Hamlin to get his thoughts on the current negotiations. Hamlin explains the four main “pillars” that the chartered teams are pushing NASCAR to address. Will the teams and NASCAR come to terms?
Finally, Dale stresses the importance of finding common ground for the sake of NASCAR’s future. How will this play out over the course of this year, knowing that the charter agreement expires at the end of 2024?
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What Dale is doing is realizing how greedy the France family is. And how much money the teams should have been making this whole time.
They're greedy because they don't want the teams to just buy their place into the cup series. That's just stupid
Ya i dont neccessarily think it's France Fam being greedy. I think they're concerned bout all the corporate run stuff out there and trying to keep it simple n fun family run down home type. But who am i ? I aint no lawyer big skirt type. I dont know a whole lot bout business but i do know theyre prob worried bout greedy big corp corruption type stuff happening ...cuz corruption sux look at our country our govt our world. Theyre prob just being careful and slow n logical about it all not neccessarily greedy. Ya i wldnt make NASCAR like the corrupt NFL or NBA no way. Look at how those hv turned out! Yucky! 🤔😔😯
Why put racing eligibility behind another pay wall. Nascar still wants ambitious people to build a car and show up. If you have charters you get an f1 spin-off. 10 teams, 2 cars each.
I don’t like the charter deal either. If there wasn’t money in it, Michael Jordan’s and Denny Hamlin wouldn’t have have made the investment prior to the current conversation.
They want ownership of the charters to turn a profit of acquiring one for $30,000,000 less than the current price tag.
Teams need investors and this jump in value and having outright ownership looks good to investors. Smaller scale Wall Street
NASCAR=M.O.B.
He’s known this
If Hendrick can't turn a profit...Nascar got a big problem.
It's a million dollar business it's not supposed to make money, then they pay taxes on their money
Should listen to the last time Jeff Gordon was on here. He said they haven't turned a profit in almost 10 years. I know that's a slight exaggeration, but still paints the picture. The charters have been around for 8 years. Hmmmm...
@@thomas7804businesses aren't supposed to make money?
@@thomas7804 Both Hendrick & Penske don't make a dime in racing. Any money they win they return it to the race team. Their fortune is made with their car dealerships, etc.
Since when was racing designed to be profitable? It’s not the nfl and never will be. Ever heard the term, “gotta pay to play” and speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
NASCAR did this to themselves when they limited the number of cars that can try to qualify for each race. There never should have been charters, there should have been better profit sharing, and more driver voices that were listened to about competition issues. It is a privilege to get to race in these series, but also NASCAR is now run like the Asshat Brigade is making decisions. Bill France, Sr. and Bill France, Jr. wanted the show to be for the fans rooting for their favorite driver/team, not for big TV deals, and Joke Playoffs! I am a 25 year plus weekly NASCAR viewer of all 3 series. This scenario already played out TWICE in the racing world in both open wheel racing in the 1990’s (two competing open wheel organizations - C.A.R.T. & I.R.L.) Then it was sports car racing in the American Le Mans Series & the Rolex Sports Car Series in the 2000’s. The organizations that made it through to the end were the ones that had the most money to keep going. NASCAR is the biggest motorsports company in the U.S., so you can see why they feel like they have so much leverage. The question is, do you want to win for a company’s benefit, or win for what is in the fan’s best interest. None of the 3 parties in this current NASCAR situation realize how important the LOYAL FANS are!
This situation has nothing to do with limiting the field size. When the max field was 43 cars, there were rarely 43 cars outside of the major races, and most of those in the back just ran a start and park. Limiting it to 40 isn't what killed the small teams because there still aren't even 40 showing up most weeks. The problem is that when they introduced the charters they made it so the chartered teams got paid far more than a non-chartered team that finished in the same position, which made it so it wasn't financially viable to run without a charter. They don't need to increase the field size or eliminate the charters to fix that. They just need to increase the amount they pay the non-chartered teams. It's really that simple.
NASCAR sold it as a guaranteed starting spot to attract sponsors. When ultimately it is a scam to pay up front to the France fam and get shat on in return..
Sponsors were worth more when you had a winner and celebrities earning them by, idk, being popular or being a leader/winner and being the TV shot most of the day.
Perhaps it all stims from the "Top 35" in points being guaranteed a starting spot back in the mid 2000's. I hated it for the smaller teams and dislike very much what NASCAR is doing now. It's all about the $$.
Oh yeah.. I forgot about when that crap started. That was about when they got rid of day 2 two, knock out qualifying on Thursday.
People forget Cup qualifying had a bubble on day 1, similar to the Indy 500.
I watched some big names get stuck in that round 2 session, back in the 80s, because they spun or had trouble during round 1 on Wednesday. It was fun to watch them hustle on the second day, knowing they had the potential to not make the show.
When it wad 43 cars 43 cars were not showing up
The teams do have leverage: Just not show up to races. If Hendrick, Childress, Penske, RFK, Stewart-Hass, Gibbs, & 23/11 just do a boycott, then NASCAR will be more receptive. People are not going to show up to races and watch it on TV if it's just ARCA racing on Sundays. Fox & NBC won't put up with it because they are paying big money for broadcast rights. The tracks won't put up with it with nearly empty grandstands.
I'd watch because the Xfinity series is the only good series in NASCAR anyways. Cup series is basically WWE
Except they can do that now. If they REALLY cared, they would. Problem is... they are also making more money than ever before.
They don’t have the sack to not show up
I think the two biggest issues are that the teams aren't aligned enough with each other to properly organize that together, and the team don't want to get sued into oblivion by their sponsors for not fulfilling their contractual obligations to race.
You have it backwards. Nascar owns the ball and the field. They have the tracks and tv deals, teams need to be paid to run. Nascar will happily run the xfinity cars in place of the cup cars
Just make a new series, perfect time to do so. Nascar never listens, we don’t want 500HP cup cars.
Why
Someone really needs to bring an anti-monopoly lawsuit against NASCAR, especially since they bought ARCA and half the tracks.
One of the main problems with trying to compete with NASCAR is that you wouldn't have anywhere to race unless you got SMI to split away from NASCAR which wouldn't happen because they make a ton of money. Without the NASCAR or SMI owned tracks you're just left with short tracks with minimal infrastructure and a handful of road courses to race at.
Get it Dale. Get the Charter.😊
Just like CART split. That ended well.
Imagine this for a second. Dale Earnhardt Jr. can’t have a cup team because of the absurd price of charters. What in the hell have these people done to this sport!?
Im just tired of the charters that suck week in week out for years. Meanwhile you have many successful truck and xfinity teams that are limited by this monster 40million dollar buy in.
Ironic that NASCAR wants to bring in all this other contrived stuff from other sports, like time periods (stages) and playoffs...but doesn't want to bring in any of the business practices that make those leagues work.
This feels like its this, simplified
NASCAR needs to figure out the split on the TV revenue. Currently like 10% goes to NASCAR/France Family 60% goes to tracks 20% to the teams based on finish and also year-end payouts. The tracks also get significant money from race operations / ticket sales / food and bev., and also tax incentives when improving the tracks and roadways to the facilities. Teams are left to find sponsorshipto fill their gap. Its time for NASCAR to acknowledge the financial side is vastly different than the past.
Almost Half of that 60 percent is also france family/nascar
The teams got too big. The shops got too big. The drivers got paid too much. The track owners built too many tracks. The ticket prices got too high. The France family got too wealthy.
Bingo. Time to start over I hope it comes to complete Madness this is all that can save it. Unless the France family basically steps out of the way and new owner emerges this is what it took for Formula 1 to be saved Bernie saved it and then he killed it. But the TV rights he was he was on top of that and saved it but then he about killed it.
The oem manufacturers need to align with the teams. Could give teams leverage
12:40 I think that's what DH means. There IS people making huge money in nascar and it's NOT the teams. Even if they still don't make profits make it fair for teams because currently, professional teams are paying for the product that someone else sells and reaps benefits from.
Hearing what you are saying seems like OLD time Bill France Sr and 75 years of history and that the operation is theirs and they want to hold the strings and not compromise to grow the sport. It is their show and they still want it their way and will only give you the share they desire. Till there is a new group at the lead of NASCAR as a follower of the Sport I do not feel they will meet the teams
A labour disruption would be bad for the sport, but may be required for the teams to get some movement from NASCAR. This could get ugly.
That just won’t happen.
Who's to say it isn't the other way?
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsWhy would it be the other way? As discussed in the video, NASCAR makes all the money and the teams are lucky to break even. Refusing the race wouldn't cost the teams anything. Not allowing them to race will cost NASCAR millions in ticket sales and lost tv revenue and would likely violate their contract with the tv networks.
@@ZVPieGuy NASCAR has said they need to give more money. Hamlin's being dramatic because that's a negotiating tool.
@@ZVPieGuy Refusing to race would cost the teams their sponsorship $$$. I get concerned when a bunch of mutli millionaires get into a d1ck measuring contest. The fans and race team employees are the ones that will lose.
They have a unique system that requires unique solutions. Nascar needs the teams to go all in on competition or it will delegitimize the sport as "the best of the best".
Nascar owning the tracks and media rights have no product without teams.
Teams have nowhere to race without Nascar.
This may hurt the sport all the way around like the MLB player strikes hurt baseball.
I wish NASCAR would get rid of Charters and do it like the old days like in Days of Thunder
Dale jr would field a couple cars as a hendrick extension. Would be awesome. Go back to 43 as well
“I want you to go out,and hit the pace car .. “
@@jmccoy96jmDale Jr isn't going to field a Cup team no matter what the rules are. He could have done it before the charters or when the charters were cheap and he chose not to because the series has always been too expensive for him. They'd basically have to cut costs so drastically that he could run a competitive cup team on an xfinity budget before he'd field any Cup cars.
@ZVPieGuy yea that goes basically against everything jr has said since the next gen car began.
I've never been a fan of charters b/c they distract from the serie's ability to be self sufficient. It puts more pressure on teams for immediate results as well as to eliminate capable racers from entry. Nascar is greedy and has too much control IMO. Likewise I do not think F1 should race in US or Canada until they accommodate Michael Andretti into F1. They want the money but not the competition.
When you really need him where is curtis turner?
I think teams screwed themselves with this new car. NASCAR doesn't need these teams. NASCAR can build the cars hire drivers and crews.
They could but they would lose so many fans and delegitimize their whole product. Teams pay drivers a ton because they get the best they can afford. Nascar would set salary caps and not get the best.
Wasn't the Charter first started was to 30-35 cars at the end of year for top 35 making the next season first race to garentee to make the race? Now it's who has the most money in their Charter. Something need to renamed sooner than later.
So honest and raw. Very nice.
I look at the whole situation the way I see the county I live in. Beautiful shoreline, lush farms, plentiful fresh seafood, very nice people is why so many people wanted to move here in the late 1970's to present. Long about the mid 1990's after the first wave of northerners have become local all of a sudden the local isn't as good as they "thought" it had been from up north. So lets change it. Not every thing at once but we'll make it better. Unfortunately the changes have been constant always with the moniker of "that's the way we used to do it up north". Now I'll admit, some of it is better. About 2.3%, But as far as the people, send all of them back. Same with nascar. Once they open the door to change they better go ahead and plan a new series to get back to the nascar of the old. Same as Classic Coke. Because after the new fangle method was tried they realized the original was better.
Problem now for teams and owners is most of the car is sourced parts and another issue is an Owner with 4 charters. I think nascar wants owners with 2 fulltime drivers and a part time driver. F1 teams are 2 cars and if Nascar was like that it would open up to new team owners.
That's something I have been thinking about too. The 4 car limit was specifically made because Roush was too good as a 5 car team. There's no other reason why it had to specifically be 4 cars. They should either give up on acting like they want small teams to exist and remove the limit, or reduce it to 2 or 3 cars. They could even just reduce it to 2 charters but say they can run as many open cars as they want. But teams will still get around those rules. You'd have Hendrick split in half with Jeff Gordon Motorsports fielding 2 cars. Stewart and Haas would split into 2 teams. But they would still just be 1 operation in 1 shop.
Dale you need to be a part of it
43 car field, make 40 charters, give Dale Jr 2 just because, the charter teams should be able to fail to qualify. Maybe let open teams compete for the other 2. I don’t have any more solutions but that’s a start.
A charter guarantees the teams with it to make the race every race.
Take away the charter system.
I say allow the full field limit to be 43
Obviously not every race has that entry number.
Qualifying should be 1 round 40 minutes. As many laps as you want. For the best speed or going for the pole or to make the race. Kinda how f1 had an hour for a long time.
Thank you for the video.
Junior nailed it exactly, i have lost money at grassroots level local tracks .
Ended up stopping because of raising my family first!
Same here.
It was always a loss for us, a hobby, but it was cheap enough hobby to be fun and even break even on some weekends. It was a great tool, good friends lots of learning, and the competition of the average Joe. Cops, mechanics, plant workers, military guys, you name it, we were all out there on Saturday nights.
But in the late 2000s things started getting pricier, extra entry fees started getting charged to build our own purse, racing fuel went up. And car counts went down some, so rules opened up to allow other tracks cars in.
And then it costs more money for cars to compete then.
So the hobby died when it had potential to cut into family time and needs.
Nascar can't afford a work stoppage, they have television deals to maintain. If all teams boycot a race or partial season ,the television executives will force nasar to negotiate more with teams. So in reality the teams hold a winning hand.
Agree. If they all just get together and show up at the track and just don’t start the engines. Just sit in the cars. Have Denny go on the mic and explain to the fans.
It didn't really say anything that jumped off the pages. However, l am a subscriber to the Athelic because of two particular individuals.
The management of the Charter system is mismanaged
People forget that this isn't Jordans first rodeo owning a race team . He has owned motorcycle teams in the past as was successful.
I just finished the article and it’s a great read
where ?
@@Gforcebond _The Athletic_ most likely
As we see the outcome of the new car with all the control on the car we are not seeing any innovations happening to see a small group the stand out.
The teams have the leverage. To not show up. Like the All Star race.
Yes you may have missed your chance , but you have said before that you don't want or you can't have a partner and I believe it's because of your partnership with Hendrix and even if you did get a charter and go racing where would you be on the food chain with Chevrolet
It was the teams thatcwanted charters. It was Penske Ganassi and Roush that brought upon the charter idea
Honest question. As nascar currently stands, without greed, could all teams or most teams be made profitable from profit sharing or “a better deal”
It’s weird to see a multi millionaire say they don’t make money 💴
Where did your family money come from? This lack of transparency in the charter situation is frustrating.
You aren’t seeing this clearly. Dale Sr and Jr are / were the most famous race car drivers ever by far not even close. Of course they are well off. They are at the very top of the sport.
Also just because Dale is personally wealthy, that doesn’t mean that the business of nascar is good or profitable. To make a sport good / competitive you have to have a way for the 15th most popular or successful to make a profit. Not just the most famous drivers to ever live like Jr and Jeff Gordon
I think what he means is that he, nor any other Team Owner is making a profit from running a Nascar team and running races. Dale Jr. likely makes the bulk of his money on his notoriety, name recognition, and the brand that he's made for himself, not by winning Xfinity races.
Penske, Hendrick, Haas, and Gibbs are millionaires apart from their race shops. They have diverse portfolios and make millions from other sources.
I am TOTALLY in the camp that Denny is in here. This entire discussion is WILD. The teams ARE THE SPORT! Start your own racing league. Walk on NASCAR right before The Chase.
When owning a business you have to swallow your pride sometimes and make compromises for the better if everyone, or else you will not last in the long run. Greed will get you nowhere when bridges burn.
The teams deserve a bigger cut, but truly franchising them would be terrible. Don't make NASCAR a closed shop like every other American sport.
F1's attempting to do that. Look at what's happening with Andretti because of it. Keep NASCAR open.
And F1 will lose viewers again because of Red Bull and Mercedes domination because teams aren't being allowed in.
@@ObviouslyKieran F1 says that the Andretti name and General Motors being involved will not benefit their sport... They're gate keeping.
Is NASCAR open now? They cant even fill the field. The cost to race is too high to be hanging on to this idea that it needs to be open for random people to buy a car and go racing. NASCAR has priced out that sort of system.
The France family is never going to give up control . The charter idea was a big mistake and they know that now . But what do they do ? Charters at 40 million . They aren't going to give in to Jordan or track house !
Without knowing what the pay structure is currently, you can’t say that.
A big question that needs answering is: how much money are the France’s making and also how much are the Track Owner’s making and are the Networks making. Profit. After expenses. I know the tracks have huge expenses but how much profit are they making. Only after knowing that, can we even begin to ponder if the teams deserve more money (at the expense of the other three mentioned entities).
Who knows about the networks. The existing TV deal that will expire at end of the year is 8.2 Billion total and tracks get 65% so you do the math what they gotten a year for last 10 years
Doing that math says nothing about profit. My hunch is the track owners and the France family makes tons of profit and should share more with the teams. But someone should ask for some tax returns and put the info out in a pie chart so us dummy normal people who can’t comprehend millions and billions can appreciate the scopes of everything and then agree (educated) with the teams demands.
Hey Jr: per your comments that none of these owners are making money. I wouldn’t question it if all the owners were like Mr H and RP (with substantial complimentary businesses of their own running adjacent to the racing operations). But by my observation Joe Gibbs has increased his wealth since joining the sport and RC started with very little and now has a vineyard etc. How can you say JG and RC haven’t made money in the sport?!?
Another question, what's the cost difference between running a 4 car cup team (common car) vs 4 car xfinity team ( built cars) if it's cheaper to run xfinity cars, and they put on the best racing by far, why not let cup teams run the xfinity cars
NASCAR doesn't compromise historically... So yeah, I don't see a deal done for next season.
If there are three party’s and the two that don’t include the actual product that make most of the money/are profitable..how is that a realistic outcome in any business/sport partnership..giving the teams a permanent tangible item like the charter will only make the value of the whole sport go up. If they aren’t going to do that why start the charter system at all? Seems like NASCAR started the problem and now they don’t want to deal with the result..
NASCAR put themselves in this situation
How is that?
@@mattrzewnicki6343they run the damn thing…
@@Grayson950815 Did the teams not understand how it worked when they got the charters? For free?
Not really. They have said they will give more money. It's just figuring out what.
Nascar is on NYSE if i remember correctly.. share holders want a return, sponsors want a return? Corporate demise, fans said bye 👋 it's not too big to fail. It's falling fast. What if everyone sold that charter at once
There is no shareholders NASCAR is a private company. ISC was a private company so was SMI
I think that Dale jr would even get involved with a charter if things changed with the current charters possibly.
When he said the teams don't turn a profit my brain couldn't process it. This can't be true, what would be the point in owning a team if you're not making $. Do the teams own the cars or does nascar?
Permanent charters, right to buy yourself into the field should NEVER become a reality
It is kind of wild that Dale is content “not making money racing.” The REASON they don’t is that the PROMOTERS are greedy. It’s NOT because there isn’t money in racing. It’s simply allocated more like Barnum & Bailey vs American professional sports. Mind blowing that he is accepting this in 2024.
You should at minimum be able to break even without a sponsor. Sponsors could make it profitable but Nascar makes enough to make it work.
Nascar could decide to sell more charters for little money,this would devalue the existing teams,greatly. So,once again nascar holds all the cards.
I can't see how the teams are losing money with so many cuts in the shops. Very few workers in those garagemahals.
Here’s the other question who’s going to buy and sell charters?
Key teams should split off and return to Winston cup format and rules . It would grow!
I think NASCAR the sanctioning body should make the rules for the competition with the owners together yearly and then have a completely unconnected officiating.
Denny beat off your favorite driver!!!
A franchise is limiting. That makes sense for football or basketball, etc., because they don’t want five or six teams per city. So, they endorse one official team. But that’s not how NASCAR operates. NASCAR wants as many teams as possible, allowing anyone who can build a car to spec to make a qualifying attempt. A team possibly DNQing is part of the allure. But the charters basically amount to a corporate subsidy, assuring that any big, corporate team with a big, corporate sponsors will always make the race. And because of the limiting nature, nobody but a few big, corporate entities can afford a seat at the table. A JR Motorsports can’t even make an attempt. What’s going to happen is that NASCAR will get down to a few mega teams with their satellite operations, with everyone else locked out. And that will suck the life and personality right out of the sport, with nothing but a few teams with spokesmodel drivers in high downforce cars. END THE CHARTER SYSTEM!!
The issue with this is that this was happening before the charters. We were headed that way no matter what. You are not going to see an influx of new teams if theres no deal done and there are no charters in 2025. It's not even about building a car. Bow youre buying them from NASCAR and their vendors. Which at this moment is 4 times or so more expensive than it was to build a car previously. You think mom n pop shop owners are going to do that? Nope. Wealthy teams with wealthy backers and corporate money would be the only way you see an entry happen. We are beyond the days of joe schmoes making a career in NASCAR Cup. Its why you see them all selling to big teams or partnering with them.
That's not realistic either with these spec cars and special sole-sourced parts that must all match. Nobody can just MacGyver up a fast car in their garage like the old days. They've killed the sport.
@@SteveF60 no they cannot. They have to spend 3 or 4 times more (so ive heard a couple of times from people) to purchase everything to go race than it wpuld have cost to built a car like they used to. People being all "good get rid of the charters, no framchises" dont understand. If theres no charters in 2025, youre not suddenly going to have over 40 cars showing up to try to qualify. You arent going to fill the 40 spots probably at all. No more than you see already. The sport doesnt work lile that anymore.
@@ericmicke4130 I think we're agreeing on the spec car aspect. The solution is to get rid of that not enact franchises.
@@SteveF60 theyre not reversing course on the car. The business model requires corporate backing. Those corporations want guarantees for their investments. I dont know how the teams get what they want, but NASCAR is not in a great spot long term.
Hell with the charters
MJ comes from owning a basketball team to this and basically says this is B.S. is the drift I’m catching 😂
Dale here is a chance to make some history and go talk to Teresa and start a team. What would your dad love more than anything to see the family get all together and go do what they were meant to do. Work it out, mend the hurts, move forward, and dominate NASCAR like the Intimidator.
Sad thing is Jr should have 3 teams that had his name on them.
nervous about this 👎 somebody tell me it’s going to be ok
Do away with charters 40 car field be fast enough or go home even if you are a 7 time champion.
There needs to be some sort of a guaranteed starting spot because sponsors don't want to sign with a team that might not even make the race. That's why before the charter system rhe rules were that the top 35 in owners points automatically qualified, and there were additional provisionals including one for a past champion. Nobody wants to see their favorite team go home and no company wants to pay millions of dollars to sponsor a car that isn't going to make the race.
This is why it's harder to get sponsors is because of how much these charters cost and the cost of these new cars. Sponsors just don't want to invest for years on a mediocre product anymore with less start power. The days of star power like Dale, Jr, Gordon, Johnson are gone, the TV coverage is so horrible now that its hard to get interested in the broadcast but they really don't go much into the drivers anymore. Until the cost of charters come down, racing gets better and there is more excitement in the sport then they will be fighting over who gets the most $$$ while no-one cares.
I feel this might lead to a split if it doesn’t get settled.
Not sure I believe teams lose 7 figures a year but wholeheartedly I do believe NASCAR/track owners are bullying teams. I hate a bully.
Don't know how many races lose teams money but nascar has too many races so making races mean more, or losing a few, wont bother me
If Denny is even close on those figures about profits and losses and who's getting what then it's gotta be a done deal. There's no way you can support the France family and NASCAR in this scenario. Teams need to be able to function financially. It's only going to get harder to do so. Sponsors are only going to get harder to find. NASCAR needs to modernize and give back to the people who make them relavent and profitable.
Big loss without Mike on the show!
If all the team will stick together and they can get everything they want 💯 without the teams nascar doesn't run period the teams have got to unionize and hold strong
NO CHARTERS AND JUST PAY OUT MORE TO TEAMS AND RACES. THIS IS NOT A YACHT CLUB.
Thats the issue. Removing charters isnt going to help the teams be more financially viable.
Thats outdated
Maybe it's not to outdated maybe nascar is trying to be to advanced nothing was wrong with nascar in the late 90s early 2000s we loved our sport now half if not more hate it @@BwInNewJersey
So genius.
What do you do with the money invested into the charters if they just disappear?
You have no idea.
You’re just out here being ignorant in all caps and 15 other idiots agreed with you.
They also don’t realize what happens if the charters go away, because these teams have spent millions for their charter.
Dummy.
@@leerjet31It's "outdated" because some people decided to fix something that wasn't broken and have too much pride to admit it. They'll never go "backwards" because that's not progressive even though what they left behind put asses in the stands and was the topic around the water cooler on Monday morning. They're playing for clicks now and it ain't paying off.
Here's an idea. Make a flo racing version for asphalt racing and give the teams a cut of the profit, also why not make the charters a little cheaper with more available to get back to the 43 car field
Remember NASCAR always told people “we don’t need you to run a show on Sunday, you need us” . That is their attitude today.
I have a you tube ad for you tube music right on the pod cast, Hey jr, you ought to be getting paid for that
Thats how ads on YT work. Channels get a percentage.
@@ericmicke4130 ahh, spectrum and tidy bowl
now have to watch 3 mins of ads and they leave ad on the site to block view
@@jeffkelley9004 yeah i pay for premium so i dont deal with that. But the channels get money for the ads they run on their videos which is what you mentioned in your original post.
I think there should be as many cars on track as pit stalls on pit road
If there was no charter could you not start a team easier? Knowing if you show up every week and qualify fast enough you are in the race. Meaning a charter team can't take your position when you ran faster. It just seems like the charters are keeping people from starting a team or showing up to a race just cause they can be knocked out of a race when they may have qualified faster than a charter team. I think as a business charters hurt the business of nascar.
A representative for Jimmy France was listening in and told Dale to cut him off. 😂 The Mafia still exists.😳 NASCAR having conversations with the smaller teams now. Yea boy. Richard Petty and Richard Childress have seen this show before in the 60s at Talladega and know how it ends. 😂
Jim France
I think that is fine if it ends up being no charters and then some teams won't show up to a race cuz not financially smart. Um i think we fans if anyone totally understand that. Since we too cannot always afford to go to races righ? Idk.
The same thing happened in 69 or 70 I believe, nascar showed its true colors then, didn't care bout drivers or teams, just the dollar
Wait, is Dale saying race teams aren’t profitable at all or just from money directly made racing like prize money, gate/tv revenue sharing, etc?
Strictly from racing I could believe, but once you add in sponsorship, merch sales, etc. it becomes far less believable for the biggest teams.
NASCAR definitely needs to split the revenue more with the teams and this “you don’t make money racing” is true in most forms of racing, but not for the biggest teams in NASCAR and F1. Biggest teams in F1 have made money doing it for a long time. Same with NASCAR. If those top teams aren’t making a profit, it’s because that’s how Penske, Hendrick, etc have structured them as part of their empire. It’s their tax dodge or whatever else they need it to be.
Hendrick and Penske don’t do it out of charity. Those guys are way too savvy and ruthless for that. They make money in everything they do and they couldn’t afford to do it for decades otherwise. Both started with large fortunes that are even larger now, not smaller. That ‘to make a small fortune, start with a large fortune’ saying doesn’t apply at some point. Let’s be real, Dales fortune isn’t shrinking either because of being an owner, it’s only growing. I think that’s a bit disingenuous on his part.
Denny is right about everything EXCEPT keeping Charters. Most likely because he co-owns 23Xl racing so his opinion is biased on that issue. Of NASCAR is making side deals with small charters. They want to pit the small charters against the big charters. Charters need to go in my opinion.
I agree with racing teams boycotting certain races that pay squat. Nobody would lose positions in the standings if they stuck together. The revenue splits from TV and ticket sales should be equal with each getting 1/3rd. The teams need to be firm on this issue. Nobody will watch races without Gibbs, Hendrick, Childress, Roush, and 23xl drivers sitting out.
I don't believe they don't make money why would you do it. They all are worth millions
The fact that a person like JR can't afford to get into cup series because the cost of a charter is too high, then what's the point of everything Nascar has been trying to do with lowering the cost. If you're not fast enough to qualify, then you shouldnt be there
Funny how nascar gave the tracks permanent races but won't give the teams permanent charters
Nascar could offere teams they will expand to 2 more charters and give half the money to existing teams. if 1 charter can sell for 40million that would be 1.1M given to each team. that would give JGR or HMS 4 million each.
I have always said Dale Jr. Needs to be running Nascar. Why, because every single area of the sport would be making money. Jr. Would make sure of that. Wake up Nascar.
How about starting another stock car racing league so Owners have options -- eliminate the monopoly and things will become fair.
lol we all know that’s never happening on a big enough scale
Hard to start one from the ground up. ARCA was the perfect brand to shift over to but NASCAR sniped that by buying them up.
@@danachappell9783 Unless the Saudi's do it, it ain't happening.
NASCAR owns or controls all the important tracks. NASCAR would have to be forced to divest and then there wouldn't be enough money to keep them all solvent.
These Big team's should wrap up the season and just start their own Division. They have the money and talent. F NASCAR already.
Like SRX did. Wait?
Where would they race? NASCAR owns most of the tracks. Gateway, Pocono, and Indy are the only independent tracks aside from local level short tracks that lack NASCAR level infrastructure and road courses that aren't built for stock cars.
Dale think about what your saying. You’re basically saying NSCAR has no future. Who in their right mind would spend millions of dollars for something they don’t own and can lose at anytime that also never shows a profit. NASCAR and the tracks makes lots of money. The teams lose money???? All other major sports teams make money.
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It's how the rich get richer.
Where the hell did poor old childress make all his money
What? Dale Jr i kinda get what yer saying but again that also slaps in the face of you obviously had a SWEET paycheck at Hendrick and YOU can afford a subscription to Athletic and we're in a manufact home paying space rent and you n Amy i am pretty sure hv a bigger nicer home that she has decorated (esp since that is her gift talent occupation too).. we barely gettin by on my hubby and sons paychex and i make a lil here n there on what i can do. But come on i know🏁 races🏁 and race🏁 cars cost a lot but most of all racers in NASCAR have big fancy homes🏠🏡🏘🏠🏡🏘 i hv seen some of them on📺💻📱 tv!
Between NASCAR refusing to acknowledge the car issues and this I don’t think I’ve ever been so frustrated with this sports leadership if you have teams even considering skipping races because it’s not economically feasible you have issues
Owners need to just leave and start their own series where they have control. If they have to find non sanctioned tracks to race on then so be it. Within a year The normal tracks will be begging them to come back. Leadership at Nascar have destroyed what People like Petty, Earnhardt, Elliot, Wallace, Marlin Irvin, and others built. And they turned their backs on the Fan base that made them what they are today.
Hahahaha
Start running their cars at other series
The only thing I even pay attention to is Dirty Mo. I don't watch racing, haven't in very long time. When Dale Sr. was gone Nascar abandoned the fans in lue of making money. Nascar is dying a slow death and I won't shed a tear when it happens.
Two fingers will always be garbage in my book.
Maybe they should go back to the the fastest 36 cars race for the purse and everyone else goes home. Just like it used to be. Then the teams wouldn’t run the cost of operating a profitable team To the point they are now. Let’s be real somebody’s making money. You will never see another competitive independent team . or even another Alan Kulwicki Type organization. It’s really disheartening. It’s like golf the rich man doesn’t want you stinking up their country club
Jr. Is off on teams never making money through the years. If they were not at one time making money, they would have left! Look at RCR & how he went from a small team with zero wins to being a champion winning team in a decades time! Look at what all racing has given him & many others!
Robert Yates went from being a crew chief to a championship car owner! They did make money! This charter system has handicapped teams! They also need to add the other programs back like halfway challenge & others that awarded money throughout the races!
They made their money from sponsorships not race purses - I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. Of course when you ruin your sport and people stop watching the sponsors dry up but that's another topic.
NASCAR has a monopoly and I bet the farm that a new series will come kinda like LIV did with golf .