I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense to penalize and promote. Make the racing content better so you're not promoting an illegal activity to gain ratings. Get it together NASCAR
Thats my whole point. He had couldnt leave and he made it ckear in the interview something was gonna happen. Nobody from nascar came over to him and tried to talk to him?. And then they were shocked when it did happen so penalize him?. They used it to promote the sport and then penalize the guy they used sounds so hypocritical.
nascar has cooked their goose with ridiculous decisions like this i have been a fan since wide world of sports and i will be dammed if i will pay for a streaming service to watch a race just another nail in the coffin
NASCAR simply no longer has any idea of what they need to do or how to promote the Cup series. They are trying to please EVERYONE and you simply cannot do that. In just a couple of years we went from boys have at it to this ridiculous fine for Stenhouse which NASCAR promotes hoping to get people to watch because NASCAR knows this is what made NASCAR so popular for decades.
I agree. When it was the France's game it all came down to one man's decision and what was good for his circus. Now that it's a board that makes the calls and everyone's eye is on the money, it's pot luck what you get.
I agree. I also think the year they reduced the horsepower for the Gen 6 car in 2015 then got rid of it in 2021 was the end to me. They're trying to be something they weren't meant to be.
They have wussies that couldn’t drive a go cart making the rules. Brian started that stupid stuff. He should have kept up his dad & granddad legacy and love of the sport. Just like the idiots who came up with the LA Coliseum, putting Daniel Juarez as a commentator, and the bullshyt about electric cars , they have to be backed by bigger idiots like Democrats lol
Seriously Nascar is shot to help its not what it has been for quite a while...they bounce around with rules and what they want drivers to be from week to week...its ridiculous knowing that Ricky was waiting for Kyle and not keeping him from doing is on Nascar...the whole thing stinks
The thing that’s weird to me is that NASCAR posted the fight on socials to gain attention and paired it with a suspension. I can understand it with the hail melon but this is a different level of talking out both sides of their mouth
See my thing is Nascar's social media Team posted it on their Social's and anywhere else whereas the fine came from a Higer up official a Social Influence person cant do the Fines and stuff
@@CD-rt8wj i agree with you they should have a Chit Chat with all of there Employees in the Social Media side but who knows if that will actually happen the person that tweeted it probably enjoyed the fight companies as in general has someone else Posting stuff either from NASCAR or something they want to post
The higher fine comes from telling every media outlet in your interviews to stick around after the race and see what happens. Should not have advertised it and took care of it.
He had no choice but to stick around and nascar heard the same post wreck interview and let it happened and THIS right here is why. Nonstop Covered since then.
Thing is, Kyle DID admit to getting into him intentionally, but he also stated he wasn't trying to wreck him. Stenhouse did what he usually does. Junked himself. He overcorrected *hard* and drove it into the wall. Ricky put himself in that position on lap one pulling a move that was stupid. He may not have touched Kyle going 3 wide, but it would've happened eventually. Watch the incident closely on a replay. Was Kyle's reaction a little much? Absolutely. But comparing it to the Chase v Hamlin right hook isn't even in the same ballpark. I should note: I've been an HMS lifelong fan since the early 90's when I was little, and I am very much NOT a fan of Denny Hamlin. But what Chase did by right hooking Denny? That was unprofessional, stupid, and low. I was disappointed in one of my favorite drivers, and his suspension was well-earned. Ricky and his crew played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize. He announced on camera hours before that he intended on retaliating after the race. Had plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail, and he still socked him in the kisser. NASCAR has fined this sort of behavior before. See Crafton vs Sanchez. And Ricky's crew members AND dad jumped Kyle. Dude barely got a chance to defend himself with ol' pops having him in a headlock thinking he was in the WWE! The fine may be a bit steep, but I think it was still well deserved, and nothing Kyle did was worthy of a fine. (But it was still a stupid retaliation.) They both had a right to be upset, though. I'll give them that. Also: I don't see the issue with NASCAR using it in promotional material. They've always done that with fights. Just seems like a lot of "Fans" are wanting to be upset over nothing, as usual.
Had he not gone to the media and pre meditated it. It would have been better. But he ran his mouth, telling everyone what he was going to do. I personally thing it should had been more just for the conspiracy
@@Robert.420 go look up definition of conspiracy lol. 2 or more together conspiring to commit a crime. And it was kyles fault he had to wait so long since he wrecked him on lap 2.
@@NickyD If kyle hadn't played stupid to him and apologized I doubt he would have got punched. Kyle wouldn't admit it to Ricky but today he admitted it was on purpose in an interview. I would have punched his ass too!
The fine is too big for such a small team that is struggling financially. I would like to point out that in 2017 Kyle Busch didn’t receive any punishment for whacking Joey Logano in Las Vegas who claimed he claimed wrecked him on purpose. I don’t see a difference here. Busch needed some kind of penalty or suspension too.
It probably took the $75k fine to get Kyle to agree to not press charges against Stenhouse, remember his brother Kurt tried to press criminal charges in Michigan against Jimmy Spencer after he punched Kurt in the nose after the race...lmao
@@handcrankwrecker5818 Yeah, he did. As soon as Stenhouse referenced that in his FOX post-crash interview, I knew he was going to smoke Busch after the race, hahaha.
Nascar had a chance to prevent this. RS said he was going to do it on TV. It was no secret. A senior Nascar official could have went to the Stenhouse team and warned them of severe consequences and potentially prevented the entire thing. The danger is a driver gets injured in a scrum like this and misses races....then what.
Exactly! And nascar is making a bundle of money off of this! They should pay Stenthouse because let’s admit it since a lot of the big drivers have left racing has gotten boring imo. This was free publicity for NASCAR plus they got $75,000 out of the deal!
Have at it means on track paybacks and opening a can of whoop ass when that don't work, nascar lost it's roots, it's Yankee corporate and changing things every year, it's basically daytime soap drama now.
Racing has gotten boring since "the big drivers have left?" What planet are you on, NASCAR has had the two closest finishes in the 76 year history of the sport happen twice in this season alone. The racing is better than it's ever been. Gawd, you need to start living in the now.
How was Kyle Busch dumping Ricky Stenhouse on purpose as a retaliation different from Chase Elliott dumping Denny Hamlin on purpose as a retaliation? Chase got suspended the following race and Busch doesn't even get a fine?!?
The wrecks themselves were totally different, not even in the same league. It didn't even look like Kyle wanted to wreck Stenhouse, only bump him out of the way. KB knows how to wreck people, I think he would have drove it in much harder if that was his aim.
His dad is a fan with special access. He decided to abuse that special access and assult a driver. Id be permanently banned from nascar tracks and charged with assault if i assaulted a driver at a nascar event
Kyle intentionally tried to severely injure his son in the car and was proud to do it. Do we want this to escalate to Ricky dump him at 200 at Daytona?
Exactly. I it was pre meditated with intent for violence. I disagree with NASCAR, but this is why the fine is so high. It gets compared to Chastain/Gragson but Gragson grabbed Chastain, who was then obligated to defend himself.
@@bobbydouglas153I think they are setting a precedent here more than they are disciplining Ricky. I think they are saying to all the drivers, if you have time to cool down, time to come to your senses, you had better not go in swinging. It’s a totally different deal if you’re fresh out of the car on pit road, heat of the moment, emotions running high. Ricky planned that whole deal, had his pit guys there, his dad, he had full intention of beating Kyle’s ass. He had 200 laps to think about it.
Plenty of drivers have said over the radio “I’m gonna whoop his ass after race” than fought after a race. That’s pre-meditated too but they didn’t in trouble 🤷🏼♂️
Invite Kyle on the show and ask him what he thinks about the 75K fine. Ricky told everyone he was waiting for Kyle after the race. Why didn't Nascar call Ricky to the trailer and warn him about fighting but I bet they wanted to see a fight.
@@MXPA_official I'm not a fan of either MY POINT is both should have some sort of penalty so what does your comment have to do with the point I made? this is why adults don't want children interrupting conversations.
The only thing that bothers me is NASCAR knew it was gonna happen. Ricky said so way before the race ended. NASCAR did absolutely nothing to de-escalate the situation, then when it happened, used the footage for publicity, (so far, don’t really blame them) but after all that, they blasted him with a huge penalty. I do not care if NASCAR let it happen for publicity reasons. I do care though if they let him do it, knowing full well he was planning to, used it for their benefit, then gave him the biggest penalty from a fight in the sports history. Should there be a fine, yes. Should it be 70k no.
IMO the closest parallel to this situation is probably the Kevin Harvick / Greg Biffle incident at Bristol 2002. Harvick waited out Biffle and when the race was over, confronted him and grabbed him by the throat. Harvick was fined $15,000 which adjusted for inflation is approximately $25K. 25K is in line with Dale Jr's expectations, and the historical precedence on what the monetary penalty should be....
This is why i love Jr he uses common sense. 25 grand would have been perfect. I would have been ok with 20. Im not ok with Nascsr promoting it, then fining Ricky 75 grand. Thats rediculous.
my opinion is if it was so bad, why did official nascar pages share the videos of them fighting? BECAUSE IT BRINGS IN VIEWS!!! SO WHY PENALIZE THAT SEVERE TO THOSE THAT FAUGHT IF YOUR GONNA HIGHLIGHT IT ALL WEEK!!! :Edit, im glad they talked about this, because that did drive me nuts
Kyle Busch should be sitting out one race for intentionally wrecking Stenhouse. Nascar should stay consistent with intentionally wrecking a competitor.
Ricky said what he said NASCAR is more to blame than that they should have taken him a side and talked to Ricky NASCAR is a double standard sport that will never make since
Let's not forget how much money that wrecked car cost his owner. Kyle gets away with nothing & that 47 team suffered big time. I've never understood why guys get a worse penalty for fighting than they do for intentionally wrecking someone. Makes no sense.
Elton Sawyer is a clown. NASCAR had 198 laps to figure out how to keep Ricky from being there when the race finished. And Ricky told everybody what he was going to do. What's NASCAR's excuse?
@@Robert.420please explain how sitting in your hauler waiting to fight, and sitting in your car waiting till the race is over to get out of your cars and fight is different? They talked and then fought. If Ricky finished the race with Kyle they would have got out of their cars, talked and then fought. How is that not identical?
@patrickwhite4449 premeditated/ intent. See the difference. He should have shut his mouth, not told nobody, and then it happened he probably wouldn't been fined. Gordon, Brad fight was awsome. Heat of the moment. Not sit there and premeditat for 2 hrs. 🤣
@patrickwhite4449 another thing. Had he stayed in his car. Not ran hit mouth to media. Most fans wouldn't even know then fight .Basically, he shouldn't have run his gator. And went up. Then fight. Then cool. But to run to media. Ohhh. Watch what ima do after race. See the difference yet. Or do you need me to help you out more?
If Busch does not wreck Stenhouse because he THOUGHT Stenhouse wrecked him, which was not the case, we would not be having these discussions. NASCAR is sheltering one of their used to be Superstars. Stenhouse did not have a way to leave the track, he had to stay there, knowing he got wrecked, watching the race, getting madder.
It’s no different than courts taking the heat of the moment and premeditation into consideration for various crimes. When it’s in the moment and immediate your emotions are more in control than reason. So crimes of passion for example see a lesser charge. But when you’ve had a decent amount of time to think about it, and still choose to be dumb. Then you deserve the harsher penalty because you had the time to think rationally and make a better choice. Never been a Kyle fan, but Ricky won his stupid prize. I’d be surprised if it didn’t stick.
If NASCAR penalizes the drivers and team members they shouldn’t use it as promotion. If they are going to use it for promotion no fines. Looks greedy on NASCARs side IMO
If they are going to fine Stenhouse, Nascar should quit talking about the fight, not promote it as quickly as they did about the garage door pull rope.
I definitely think the fine was too high, and an indefinite ban on his dad is also wrong yes he should be suspended for a few races but maybe I didn’t see the right camera angles but I saw his dad grab Kyle by the shirt, I didn’t see him punch him, however I saw Kyle punch him several times. Yes he shouldn’t have grabbed him, but look at the fines and suspensions in the past this was outrageous! NASCAR said it was so high because he so many laps had went down and he planned this, well not necessarily, Ricky said if there was a tunnel after he wrecked he would’ve left and finished watching the race from home. And when he did approach Kyle he wasn’t really heated until Kyle acted like Kyle always does and said he didn’t hit him, but then in an interview later he admitted to not only hitting him but he did it on purpose! So my question is where is the fine for Kyle? I actually just saw another angle of the video and Ricky’s dad was pulling Kyle off of Ricky while other members were pulling Ricky away, and Kyle was the one that punched his dad several times, I still haven’t seen his dad punch Kyle?
There will be no fine for Kyle. Frankly, Ricky should not have been fined either IMO - let the drivers sort it out between themselves. Agree 100% with all the suspensions for the #47 crew and the dad. Again, let the drivers sort it out between themselves. Clearly the biggest takeaway was whoever the RCR crew guy is that was slinging folks off the truck after the incident is certainly not a person to F with. Now I understand why Kyle has not publicly bashed the crew guys for poor performance this year. Nobody wants to piss that dude off lol.
Kyle was in a car, on the same lap, in a race….. aka boys have at it and reprimand poor behavior by a champion who did all this stupid stuff years ago and learned…. The 47 clan plus pops decided to get a lb of flesh, and they went to 8 pits to sucker punch after talking instead of man to man it was sucker punch then daddy sucker punch… why do you think the fine was up there? They didn’t press charges on the old man so pay up or argue whatever…. But sheesh stick up for a sucker punch family and victim blaming…. Yup 👍🏼
I still can’t believe a complete nobody driver like Elton sawyer is even in a top NASCAR cup management position. It’s the epitome of what’s wrong with NASCAR.
First time I don't agree. When multiple people jump one person you have to make it hurt so it doesn't continue to happen. That's the difference in my opinion.
Dale. You should havr donated your boxing ring to nascar and after each race they could do a half hour drive dispute settle special. 16 oz gloves head gear. And duke it out.
I very much disagree with both of you. Stenhouse is always a menace and his luck ran out. It was the first lap where Stenhouse forced his way in there, I wish they fined Stenhouse more!
I guess im confused with nascar not condoning the fighting. But still using it to advertise and appeal to new fans. Even Dale said he wouldnt want fighting in the CARS tour. But using it as advertising is gonna condition new fans to expect it and be dissapointed when it is handled like this.
It's because NASCAR didnt levy the fines and suspensions, based off the fight itself. Ricky had talked about hitting Kyle and then he and his crew, set Kyle up to be ambushed.. This was dirty on Ricky and his crew.
Fully bullshit to have Stenhouse so heavily penalized and Busch getting nothing. Still NASCAR does quasi-random application of their own rules when it suits them. If Elton doesn't like that the appeal reduces the fine, he should've had a more coherent rationale for the level of the penalty because it's clear that didn't happen.
It’s one thing right after an incident, it’s another to Broadcast it in TV , wait 2 hrs and not expect punishment. Like Denny admitting to wrecking Ross and NASCAR handing him a penalty.
There is no way that Stenhouse should be fined when Kyle was the one that intentionally wrecked him!!! The race sucked!!! The fight was the only entertainment from the whole event!!!
The deal is that it was pre-meditated. He had time to plan it all and went down there with the intentions of punching Bush. In any offense, pre-meditated makes it worse.
Dale jr is 100% right on this one! I think the fact that Ricky had to stay until the end of the race and not being able to leave is a huge part on why this happened. $25,000 would be a good fine
I love how when a fight happens the sports organizations immediately say how much of a disgrace it is to the sport while simultaneously airing on every single one of their programs on repeat in order to promote said sport 😂😂😂😂
My take on this fine is that Nascar is telling the drivers to wait until the next race and use the car to retaliate!!!!!! Instead of doing what is right in using a fight to get even. WTF! So wrong of a message to send to the drivers.
You are wrong. He parked his car in Bush pit, confronted crew chief, waited 150+ laps, stated he would crash Bush in next race and threw blows. WAS NOT HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
I personally think the $75,000 fine is excessive. I also think that Ricky’s father hard card should have been pulled for the rest of the season. Lastly I think NASCAR should of grabbed Ricky Stenhouse after his interview and called him into the principals office and not let him leave until after the race and had a NASCAR official walk him to his vehicle with the warning that if even think about taking a swing at Bush that Mr Stenhouse will find out what coming down on you like ugly on an ape. Additionally if I were NASCAR I would of told Kyle and Richard Childress and Ricky and Brad Daugherty will be at Jim Frances office at 9:09 AM Monday morning and then Jim France take a page from Big Bill play book and chew them a new butt hole. As for the crew members yes a two race suspension is fair. Lastly the Bull Manure coming from NASCAR about the justification for the penalties looked and sounded moronic. I fully agree with Dale Jr with Ricky should appeal the fine and if they don’t drop the fine to 15 or 20 Thousand dollars then first off start selling Pay My NASCAR Fine shirts with half the proceeds going to pay his fine and the other half going to US Olympic Boxing Team
@gullreefclub while 75k is excessive they did fine matt crafton 25k in the truck series for the exact same thing and the cup series is the elite of nascar and make about 4x the money that the truck series make but at least there "trying" to be consistent
I agree with NASCAR that lying in wait is no way to make use of your time. My 100% agree that Ricky's father shouldn't have been throwing punches after separations had been made. I think that Daddy was probably the real instigator. I also think Ricky decided he was throwing that punch before he left the hauler. And finally, I think the real reason Ricky through that punch was the nickname that Kyle gave him years ago: Wrecky Spinouts
Bunch of suit at the top not knowing what they're doing this is why our sport struggles. The fact that jr can set there and make perfect since is why people like him should run nascar and not these money hungry suits.
Ricky wasn’t in uniform. Far as I’m concerned, in that moment, he was off the clock. Right or wrong I get it but I think this situation should be left alone & no find. Let the racers race.
I ❤ the fine for driver on driver and 100% agree with suspensions if anyone else gets involved. Keep the driver emotions but keep others out of it. Easy to manage 1 on 1 but otherwise, it could lead to all out brawls. I agree that 75k was a bit excessive, especially since NASCAR sensationalized the entire thing and they WANT emotions to come out.
What hypocrisy! NASCAR should be paying Ricky for all the publicity their getting even on non-Sport news media. They're loving this; benefiting from the fight and they're piling on Ricky?
Ricky had hours to cool off plus he told the media people that something may happen. That’s why it’s such a big fine. If it was right after the wreck I think it would be different
This !!! NASCAR did the same thing to Nick Sanchez when he made similar comments and than went after a driver. Or had kept his mouth shut about doing something, than did it I don’t think Ricky would’ve been fined.
Dale Jr and this podcast has became my new favorite. For a few weeks now I been watching religiously lol . Daily, every night. Watching interviews and racing the history and stuff I’ve missed from being a Bobby 18# car fan and stopped watching along time ago. lol
Crew members stepped in to keep their driver safe. No penalty for them. 75k is BS. Family members involved, yes, suspension from the pits/garage area for specified time.
What's criminals how people like Chase Elliott get suspended for a race when they intentionally wreck someone yet apparently Kyle Busch can intentionally wreck someone calls a big huge ass fight and walk out of it Scott free
When the fight is more exciting than the race, NASCAR should pay him instead of fining him.
I agree, Nascar makes money 💰 off this fight. Hey Nascar REMOVE the fight video from you YT channel, hypocrites!!!
Good point
Some good common sense right there
Yep. Thank you for saying it.
Agreed, when there is no passing it’s lame
NASCAR has made the cars garbage
If nascar is gonna penzlise and fine ricky, then they shouldn't use that footage to sell tickets. Absolute hypocrites
That would make sense, if promoting the fight incentives more fights, but they don’t. If drivers want to fight they’re gonna do it
They should absolutely use it for promo. Gets more eyes on the sport
I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense to penalize and promote. Make the racing content better so you're not promoting an illegal activity to gain ratings. Get it together NASCAR
If nascars only reason was he waited. Why wasnt someone from nascar over talking him down. They wanted that fight just as much as fans did
That’s my issue as well.
He couldn’t leave the track if there was no walk under or over at that track once you’re on the track you’re on the track
Great point
He was waiting at the 8 cars hauler which is probably the reason the penalty was harsher.
Thats my whole point. He had couldnt leave and he made it ckear in the interview something was gonna happen. Nobody from nascar came over to him and tried to talk to him?. And then they were shocked when it did happen so penalize him?. They used it to promote the sport and then penalize the guy they used sounds so hypocritical.
nascar has cooked their goose with ridiculous decisions like this i have been a fan since wide world of sports and i will be dammed if i will pay for a streaming service to watch a race just another nail in the coffin
The Elton John comment was hilarious 🤣
NASCAR simply no longer has any idea of what they need to do or how to promote the Cup series. They are trying to please EVERYONE and you simply cannot do that. In just a couple of years we went from boys have at it to this ridiculous fine for Stenhouse which NASCAR promotes hoping to get people to watch because NASCAR knows this is what made NASCAR so popular for decades.
I agree. When it was the France's game it all came down to one man's decision and what was good for his circus. Now that it's a board that makes the calls and everyone's eye is on the money, it's pot luck what you get.
I agree. I also think the year they reduced the horsepower for the Gen 6 car in 2015 then got rid of it in 2021 was the end to me. They're trying to be something they weren't meant to be.
I think it may be time to shut it down and save all that gas that gets wasted every weekend.
They have wussies that couldn’t drive a go cart making the rules.
Brian started that stupid stuff. He should have kept up his dad & granddad legacy and love of the sport.
Just like the idiots who came up with the LA Coliseum, putting Daniel Juarez as a commentator, and the bullshyt about electric cars , they have to be backed by bigger idiots like Democrats lol
Seriously Nascar is shot to help its not what it has been for quite a while...they bounce around with rules and what they want drivers to be from week to week...its ridiculous knowing that Ricky was waiting for Kyle and not keeping him from doing is on Nascar...the whole thing stinks
Bullshit…….don’t use my actions for $100,000s worth of promotion, not pay me for it, then fine me ??? 🤔
EXACTLY!!!
The thing that’s weird to me is that NASCAR posted the fight on socials to gain attention and paired it with a suspension. I can understand it with the hail melon but this is a different level of talking out both sides of their mouth
I agree
See my thing is Nascar's social media Team posted it on their Social's and anywhere else whereas the fine came from a Higer up official a Social Influence person cant do the Fines and stuff
@@RedBeardedJoe that does make sense, but if that’s the case NASCAR’s gotta have a chit chat to get everyone on the same page
@@CD-rt8wj i agree with you they should have a Chit Chat with all of there Employees in the Social Media side but who knows if that will actually happen the person that tweeted it probably enjoyed the fight companies as in general has someone else Posting stuff either from NASCAR or something they want to post
@@RedBeardedJoe Nascar has always played favorites and been Hypocrites.
The higher fine comes from telling every media outlet in your interviews to stick around after the race and see what happens. Should not have advertised it and took care of it.
He had no choice but to stick around and nascar heard the same post wreck interview and let it happened and THIS right here is why. Nonstop Covered since then.
For once....the cameras were on Rickey Stenhouse after the race...😂
Why wasn't Busch penalized or fined for intentionally wrecking Stenhouse
True. Chase got a one race suspension for wrecking Hamlin on purpose last year.
@@marty0063 so did Bubba.
Because he technically didnt admit that it was intentional
@@KatschingAUT kyle did admit in an interview today he wrecked stenhouse intentionally
Thing is, Kyle DID admit to getting into him intentionally, but he also stated he wasn't trying to wreck him. Stenhouse did what he usually does. Junked himself. He overcorrected *hard* and drove it into the wall. Ricky put himself in that position on lap one pulling a move that was stupid. He may not have touched Kyle going 3 wide, but it would've happened eventually. Watch the incident closely on a replay. Was Kyle's reaction a little much? Absolutely. But comparing it to the Chase v Hamlin right hook isn't even in the same ballpark.
I should note: I've been an HMS lifelong fan since the early 90's when I was little, and I am very much NOT a fan of Denny Hamlin. But what Chase did by right hooking Denny? That was unprofessional, stupid, and low. I was disappointed in one of my favorite drivers, and his suspension was well-earned.
Ricky and his crew played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize. He announced on camera hours before that he intended on retaliating after the race. Had plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail, and he still socked him in the kisser. NASCAR has fined this sort of behavior before. See Crafton vs Sanchez. And Ricky's crew members AND dad jumped Kyle. Dude barely got a chance to defend himself with ol' pops having him in a headlock thinking he was in the WWE! The fine may be a bit steep, but I think it was still well deserved, and nothing Kyle did was worthy of a fine. (But it was still a stupid retaliation.) They both had a right to be upset, though. I'll give them that.
Also: I don't see the issue with NASCAR using it in promotional material. They've always done that with fights. Just seems like a lot of "Fans" are wanting to be upset over nothing, as usual.
NASCAR should be ashamed of hypocrisy of their doing.75 thousand is absolutely ridiculous.
Had he not gone to the media and pre meditated it. It would have been better. But he ran his mouth, telling everyone what he was going to do. I personally thing it should had been more just for the conspiracy
I agree. Bidenflation everywhere
rules are rules he also amditted to it before doing it
@@Robert.420 go look up definition of conspiracy lol. 2 or more together conspiring to commit a crime. And it was kyles fault he had to wait so long since he wrecked him on lap 2.
@@NickyD If kyle hadn't played stupid to him and apologized I doubt he would have got punched. Kyle wouldn't admit it to Ricky but today he admitted it was on purpose in an interview. I would have punched his ass too!
The fine is too big for such a small team that is struggling financially. I would like to point out that in 2017 Kyle Busch didn’t receive any punishment for whacking Joey Logano in Las Vegas who claimed he claimed wrecked him on purpose. I don’t see a difference here. Busch needed some kind of penalty or suspension too.
True just like Noah and Ross last year I Don’t think had fines
It probably took the $75k fine to get Kyle to agree to not press charges against Stenhouse, remember his brother Kurt tried to press criminal charges in Michigan against Jimmy Spencer after he punched Kurt in the nose after the race...lmao
Thanks for making this video. Good to hear your thoughts Dale!
Glad you enjoyed it!
NASCAR should pay Ricky $75,000 for making the viewership for this week way higher
Hell yaaaa totally 👍🏻 💯 %
Agreed as the racing was lackluster with no passing. Very sad for a All Star race
Danica's yeast infection will complain.
Don't promote things that you fine or suspend people over. NASCAR coming off as hypocritical.
NASCAR execs don't control the NASCAR marketing team...
@@Glitchunlockedoh yes they do, at the end of the day the buck stops with the higher ups
@spencerwright600
The execs cannot control every action of every employee. This isn't a 10 employee company.
Nascar is woke and sensitive feelings organization.
No it’s the 11 employee company
If the fine was negative for the sport, then how can they justify the fine if they use it to promote the sport.....?? That's crazy.
EXACTLY.....
How much did Bubba get fined for shoving Larson around?
He should have been rewarded for not putting up with Speed Racist's slaaaiiiidddd joooooaaaabbs that were running drivers into the fence all the time.
Didn't Richard Childress get fined $100k when he punched Kyle Busch years ago ? Remember hold my watch ?
@@handcrankwrecker5818 Yeah, he did. As soon as Stenhouse referenced that in his FOX post-crash interview, I knew he was going to smoke Busch after the race, hahaha.
@dburton7929 keep crying pssy
Good question.
Nascar had a chance to prevent this. RS said he was going to do it on TV. It was no secret. A senior Nascar official could have went to the Stenhouse team and warned them of severe consequences and potentially prevented the entire thing. The danger is a driver gets injured in a scrum like this and misses races....then what.
The fine for Stenhouse seems excessive. Busch absolutely wrecked Stenhouse. Ricky will very likely race Kyle differently for now on, as he should.
Remember when nascar said have at it boys
Exactly! And nascar is making a bundle of money off of this! They should pay Stenthouse because let’s admit it since a lot of the big drivers have left racing has gotten boring imo. This was free publicity for NASCAR plus they got $75,000 out of the deal!
Have at it means on track paybacks and opening a can of whoop ass when that don't work, nascar lost it's roots, it's Yankee corporate and changing things every year, it's basically daytime soap drama now.
Racing has gotten boring since "the big drivers have left?" What planet are you on, NASCAR has had the two closest finishes in the 76 year history of the sport happen twice in this season alone. The racing is better than it's ever been. Gawd, you need to start living in the now.
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Sunday Night's Alright for Fighting
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Elton Sawyer who who the fack is that
Now that Kyle has said he hit him intentionally I expect a penalty to follow…just like Hamlin got.
You expect consistency? From NASCAR?
not gonna happen kryl is there titty baby the chosen 1
I do too.
Take the car key out of your ear he never said that
How was Kyle Busch dumping Ricky Stenhouse on purpose as a retaliation different from Chase Elliott dumping Denny Hamlin on purpose as a retaliation? Chase got suspended the following race and Busch doesn't even get a fine?!?
That's what I'm talking about he should be fined also,
Because Kyle Busch is a big baby and NASCAR will have to hear him whine about it for the rest of the season.
The wrecks themselves were totally different, not even in the same league. It didn't even look like Kyle wanted to wreck Stenhouse, only bump him out of the way. KB knows how to wreck people, I think he would have drove it in much harder if that was his aim.
Well NASCAR better give Ricky royalties every time they show the fight on their.
His dad is a fan with special access. He decided to abuse that special access and assult a driver. Id be permanently banned from nascar tracks and charged with assault if i assaulted a driver at a nascar event
Huge difference between a casual fan with pit access versus a father taking up for his son
Why did he need his dad ?@@beefmalone
Kyle intentionally tried to severely injure his son in the car and was proud to do it. Do we want this to escalate to Ricky dump him at 200 at Daytona?
@@CC.94 because like when Joey L. had his dad fight for him, they're both spoiled lil frkin brats!
The father of someone who’s competing is way more than a “fan with good seats” lmao
Busch wrecked Ricky's car on purpose. He gets nothing. With his track record over the years of being a hot head. Ridiculous.
Especially since he literally wasn’t touched by Ricky when he says he was put in the wall. Busch wrecked him without reason.
It's stupid he shoulda got the same thing
Years ago when Kyle hooked Hornady it was the worst.
Kyle Busch is the # 1 reason I quit watching . He has been wrecking people for years and nothing ever happens to Kyle. Nascar is a joke !!!
Rubbins racing ! Boys
nascar should pay roundhouse jr royalties instead
The difference is, he announced what he was going to do, waited the whole race then executed his plan. It was pre meditated.
Should make zero difference
So NASCAR knew for 198 laps and did nothing?
Exactly. I it was pre meditated with intent for violence. I disagree with NASCAR, but this is why the fine is so high. It gets compared to Chastain/Gragson but Gragson grabbed Chastain, who was then obligated to defend himself.
@@bobbydouglas153I think they are setting a precedent here more than they are disciplining Ricky. I think they are saying to all the drivers, if you have time to cool down, time to come to your senses, you had better not go in swinging. It’s a totally different deal if you’re fresh out of the car on pit road, heat of the moment, emotions running high. Ricky planned that whole deal, had his pit guys there, his dad, he had full intention of beating Kyle’s ass. He had 200 laps to think about it.
Plenty of drivers have said over the radio “I’m gonna whoop his ass after race” than fought after a race. That’s pre-meditated too but they didn’t in trouble 🤷🏼♂️
Invite Kyle on the show and ask him what he thinks about the 75K fine. Ricky told everyone he was waiting for Kyle after the race. Why didn't Nascar call Ricky to the trailer and warn him about fighting but I bet they wanted to see a fight.
North Wilkesboro needs to install the "Stenhouse Tunnel"!!!! Kyle wouldn't have a sore head if they did!!!
Did the punch even land?
NASCAR is absolutely wrong for no penalties on Kyle for intentionally causing a wreck
He bumped him. That’s racing.
Agreed! Kyle hooked Stenhouse into the wall, not just "bumped" him. Luckily, there weren't more cars taken out than just Stenhouse.
@@rogemorris7655 at excuses and whining sure ...
@@Edge1775kyle have 200+ win across all 3 series. How much does wrecky spinhouse have ohh yeah not much 😂😏
@@MXPA_official I'm not a fan of either MY POINT is both should have some sort of penalty so what does your comment have to do with the point I made? this is why adults don't want children interrupting conversations.
The only thing that bothers me is NASCAR knew it was gonna happen. Ricky said so way before the race ended. NASCAR did absolutely nothing to de-escalate the situation, then when it happened, used the footage for publicity, (so far, don’t really blame them) but after all that, they blasted him with a huge penalty. I do not care if NASCAR let it happen for publicity reasons. I do care though if they let him do it, knowing full well he was planning to, used it for their benefit, then gave him the biggest penalty from a fight in the sports history. Should there be a fine, yes. Should it be 70k no.
The fine don't fit the crime. That was hardly a fight at all.
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IMO the closest parallel to this situation is probably the Kevin Harvick / Greg Biffle incident at Bristol 2002. Harvick waited out Biffle and when the race was over, confronted him and grabbed him by the throat.
Harvick was fined $15,000 which adjusted for inflation is approximately $25K.
25K is in line with Dale Jr's expectations, and the historical precedence on what the monetary penalty should be....
Add Biden nomic's to that equation = 75k
15k was not 25k 20 years ago lol. Maybe 3 years ago
@@j.l.h.2650and some m2 Bradley's and actams
This is why i love Jr he uses common sense. 25 grand would have been perfect. I would have been ok with 20. Im not ok with Nascsr promoting it, then fining Ricky 75 grand. Thats rediculous.
Kyle pitched a fit and did $75k worth of damage to another car all because he hit the wall by himself. No fine for that?
my opinion is if it was so bad, why did official nascar pages share the videos of them fighting? BECAUSE IT BRINGS IN VIEWS!!! SO WHY PENALIZE THAT SEVERE TO THOSE THAT FAUGHT IF YOUR GONNA HIGHLIGHT IT ALL WEEK!!!
:Edit, im glad they talked about this, because that did drive me nuts
Kyle Busch should be sitting out one race for intentionally wrecking Stenhouse. Nascar should stay consistent with intentionally wrecking a competitor.
Ricky said what he said NASCAR is more to blame than that they should have taken him a side and talked to Ricky NASCAR is a double standard sport that will never make since
Let's not forget how much money that wrecked car cost his owner. Kyle gets away with nothing & that 47 team suffered big time. I've never understood why guys get a worse penalty for fighting than they do for intentionally wrecking someone. Makes no sense.
Busch getting nothing is a joke. Intentionally took a car out of the race ...and got nothing.
Kyle went and cried to Nascar officials and got what he wanted Stenhouse fined and he got nothing for punching Ricky's dad. Bullshit move by NASCAR .
Elton Sawyer is a clown. NASCAR had 198 laps to figure out how to keep Ricky from being there when the race finished.
And Ricky told everybody what he was going to do. What's NASCAR's excuse?
Ricky’s side was premeditated, just like Denny bragging last year
Agreed. Had he not said nothing and went to talk, then punch prob would have gotten away with it. Bit he was all hot-headed and went for media covage
@@Robert.420please explain how sitting in your hauler waiting to fight, and sitting in your car waiting till the race is over to get out of your cars and fight is different? They talked and then fought. If Ricky finished the race with Kyle they would have got out of their cars, talked and then fought. How is that not identical?
@patrickwhite4449 premeditated/ intent. See the difference. He should have shut his mouth, not told nobody, and then it happened he probably wouldn't been fined. Gordon, Brad fight was awsome. Heat of the moment. Not sit there and premeditat for 2 hrs. 🤣
@patrickwhite4449 had ricky finished the race it wouldn been a fight anyway so your question is irrelevant.
@patrickwhite4449 another thing. Had he stayed in his car. Not ran hit mouth to media. Most fans wouldn't even know then fight .Basically, he shouldn't have run his gator. And went up. Then fight. Then cool. But to run to media. Ohhh. Watch what ima do after race. See the difference yet. Or do you need me to help you out more?
If Busch does not wreck Stenhouse because he THOUGHT Stenhouse wrecked him, which was not the case, we would not be having these discussions. NASCAR is sheltering one of their used to be Superstars. Stenhouse did not have a way to leave the track, he had to stay there, knowing he got wrecked, watching the race, getting madder.
Exactly!
Should have penalized and black flagged Kyle for wrecking him.
It’s no different than courts taking the heat of the moment and premeditation into consideration for various crimes. When it’s in the moment and immediate your emotions are more in control than reason. So crimes of passion for example see a lesser charge.
But when you’ve had a decent amount of time to think about it, and still choose to be dumb. Then you deserve the harsher penalty because you had the time to think rationally and make a better choice. Never been a Kyle fan, but Ricky won his stupid prize. I’d be surprised if it didn’t stick.
If NASCAR penalizes the drivers and team members they shouldn’t use it as promotion. If they are going to use it for promotion no fines. Looks greedy on NASCARs side IMO
Totally agree!!!
Yep dead on they shouldn’t even release to news outlets either. Never show it on promos or best of shows. What a joke!!
If I'm Ricky, I'm collecting royalties for that footage.
If they are going to fine Stenhouse, Nascar should quit talking about the fight, not promote it as quickly as they did about the garage door pull rope.
75K is better than assault chargers and being hauled off to jail.
I definitely think the fine was too high, and an indefinite ban on his dad is also wrong yes he should be suspended for a few races but maybe I didn’t see the right camera angles but I saw his dad grab Kyle by the shirt, I didn’t see him punch him, however I saw Kyle punch him several times. Yes he shouldn’t have grabbed him, but look at the fines and suspensions in the past this was outrageous! NASCAR said it was so high because he so many laps had went down and he planned this, well not necessarily, Ricky said if there was a tunnel after he wrecked he would’ve left and finished watching the race from home. And when he did approach Kyle he wasn’t really heated until Kyle acted like Kyle always does and said he didn’t hit him, but then in an interview later he admitted to not only hitting him but he did it on purpose! So my question is where is the fine for Kyle?
I actually just saw another angle of the video and Ricky’s dad was pulling Kyle off of Ricky while other members were pulling Ricky away, and Kyle was the one that punched his dad several times, I still haven’t seen his dad punch Kyle?
There will be no fine for Kyle. Frankly, Ricky should not have been fined either IMO - let the drivers sort it out between themselves. Agree 100% with all the suspensions for the #47 crew and the dad. Again, let the drivers sort it out between themselves.
Clearly the biggest takeaway was whoever the RCR crew guy is that was slinging folks off the truck after the incident is certainly not a person to F with. Now I understand why Kyle has not publicly bashed the crew guys for poor performance this year. Nobody wants to piss that dude off lol.
Kyle was in a car, on the same lap, in a race….. aka boys have at it and reprimand poor behavior by a champion who did all this stupid stuff years ago and learned…. The 47 clan plus pops decided to get a lb of flesh, and they went to 8 pits to sucker punch after talking instead of man to man it was sucker punch then daddy sucker punch… why do you think the fine was up there? They didn’t press charges on the old man so pay up or argue whatever…. But sheesh stick up for a sucker punch family and victim blaming…. Yup 👍🏼
His dad is not part of the crew, so he was basically a fan.
75K is the new norm on taking a punch, and no penalty on wrecking someone is the new norm. Ricky, you now know what to do without penalty. Can't wait.
I still can’t believe a complete nobody driver like Elton sawyer is even in a top NASCAR cup management position. It’s the epitome of what’s wrong with NASCAR.
First time I don't agree. When multiple people jump one person you have to make it hurt so it doesn't continue to happen. That's the difference in my opinion.
If NASCAR is gonna fine him then they shouldn’t use the footage to promote races.
Dale. You should havr donated your boxing ring to nascar and after each race they could do a half hour drive dispute settle special. 16 oz gloves head gear. And duke it out.
And free beer between rounds
HAHAHA! Ricky would have annihilated the shrub!
I very much disagree with both of you. Stenhouse is always a menace and his luck ran out. It was the first lap where Stenhouse forced his way in there, I wish they fined Stenhouse more!
“B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets “ 🤣🤣🤣
Here is the fix. Instead of Nascar instigating drama, they black flag the driver who wrecks somebody.
Kyle should have got more of this many, many years ago.
fact that no driver is taking his side speaks volumes about what those in the sport think of KB.
I guess im confused with nascar not condoning the fighting. But still using it to advertise and appeal to new fans. Even Dale said he wouldnt want fighting in the CARS tour. But using it as advertising is gonna condition new fans to expect it and be dissapointed when it is handled like this.
It's because NASCAR didnt levy the fines and suspensions, based off the fight itself.
Ricky had talked about hitting Kyle and then he and his crew, set Kyle up to be ambushed..
This was dirty on Ricky and his crew.
@@deliriouswhome1It was, but NASCAR Wa sparsely at fault for not having crowd control there knowing he could not leave.
Fully bullshit to have Stenhouse so heavily penalized and Busch getting nothing. Still NASCAR does quasi-random application of their own rules when it suits them. If Elton doesn't like that the appeal reduces the fine, he should've had a more coherent rationale for the level of the penalty because it's clear that didn't happen.
Love that poster of Jimi on the wall
Let the freaking drivers work it out themselves! Heck fighting has always been apart of NASCAR! Let’s go back to Boys have at it!
It’s one thing right after an incident, it’s another to Broadcast it in TV , wait 2 hrs and not expect punishment. Like Denny admitting to wrecking Ross and NASCAR handing him a penalty.
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the image they been trying to get away from for 2 decades
There is no way that Stenhouse should be fined when Kyle was the one that intentionally wrecked him!!! The race sucked!!! The fight was the only entertainment from the whole event!!!
I remember years ago Joey logano dad got suspended for quite a while too. 🤔✌️🇺🇸
He had time to cool down then, after the race, he continued it that’s premeditation and that’s why he got fine he did
I didn't know Elton John had anything to do with racing, lol. Jr. what a trip that's what makes him the best. Great show.
The deal is that it was pre-meditated. He had time to plan it all and went down there with the intentions of punching Bush. In any offense, pre-meditated makes it worse.
Kyle chasing Ricky around the track to wreck him was premeditated.
Dale jr is 100% right on this one!
I think the fact that Ricky had to stay until the end of the race and not being able to leave is a huge part on why this happened.
$25,000 would be a good fine
Kyle, started the fight. What amount was his fine.
If they don't want people fighting then why was it televised?
I love how when a fight happens the sports organizations immediately say how much of a disgrace it is to the sport while simultaneously airing on every single one of their programs on repeat in order to promote said sport 😂😂😂😂
Let it be! He shouldn’t have told everyone he was going to be waiting for him!
People love when fights happen in Nascar. Because road rage is something everyone can relate to but when it leads to a fight it's even more exciting
The larger fine was it was not immediate he waited two hours and said he was going to do it hours before.
Like Denny admitting to wrecking Ross on his podcast and get a fine and points.
My take on this fine is that Nascar is telling the drivers to wait until the next race and use the car to retaliate!!!!!! Instead of doing what is right in using a fight to get even. WTF! So wrong of a message to send to the drivers.
You are wrong. He parked his car in Bush pit, confronted crew chief, waited 150+ laps, stated he would crash Bush in next race and threw blows. WAS NOT HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
Fans should have a gofund me account to pay the fine. He would have $200k in about an hour.
I personally think the $75,000 fine is excessive. I also think that Ricky’s father hard card should have been pulled for the rest of the season. Lastly I think NASCAR should of grabbed Ricky Stenhouse after his interview and called him into the principals office and not let him leave until after the race and had a NASCAR official walk him to his vehicle with the warning that if even think about taking a swing at Bush that Mr Stenhouse will find out what coming down on you like ugly on an ape. Additionally if I were NASCAR I would of told Kyle and Richard Childress and Ricky and Brad Daugherty will be at Jim Frances office at 9:09 AM Monday morning and then Jim France take a page from Big Bill play book and chew them a new butt hole. As for the crew members yes a two race suspension is fair.
Lastly the Bull Manure coming from NASCAR about the justification for the penalties looked and sounded moronic.
I fully agree with Dale Jr with Ricky should appeal the fine and if they don’t drop the fine to 15 or 20 Thousand dollars then first off start selling Pay My NASCAR Fine shirts with half the proceeds going to pay his fine and the other half going to US Olympic Boxing Team
@gullreefclub while 75k is excessive they did fine matt crafton 25k in the truck series for the exact same thing and the cup series is the elite of nascar and make about 4x the money that the truck series make but at least there "trying" to be consistent
I agree with NASCAR that lying in wait is no way to make use of your time. My 100% agree that Ricky's father shouldn't have been throwing punches after separations had been made. I think that Daddy was probably the real instigator. I also think Ricky decided he was throwing that punch before he left the hauler. And finally, I think the real reason Ricky through that punch was the nickname that Kyle gave him years ago: Wrecky Spinouts
Ricky probably sold enough merchandise today to cover that fine 😬🏁
@@curbshoppin why are there still Danica fans around?
Hitting another human being, especially when children can see it is wrong. IMO Shithouse should be suspended all year
Excuse me? Busch stormed up to Stenhouse all but demanding a confrontation. After he kept lying to Stenhouse’s face, he got what was coming…
Of all the drivers in the history of NASCAR, Ricky Stenhouse is one of them.
Bunch of suit at the top not knowing what they're doing this is why our sport struggles. The fact that jr can set there and make perfect since is why people like him should run nascar and not these money hungry suits.
Ricky wasn’t in uniform. Far as I’m concerned, in that moment, he was off the clock. Right or wrong I get it but I think this situation should be left alone & no find. Let the racers race.
Nascar is greedy..
Stenhouse will make up the money with all the pr he’s doing. He should make a t-shirt of the punch
I don't think he should have been penalized for the fight but he should have been suspended for parking in the pit stall.
The download is two hours this week. I love it, but I just don't always have a few hours to check in.
I ❤ the fine for driver on driver and 100% agree with suspensions if anyone else gets involved. Keep the driver emotions but keep others out of it. Easy to manage 1 on 1 but otherwise, it could lead to all out brawls.
I agree that 75k was a bit excessive, especially since NASCAR sensationalized the entire thing and they WANT emotions to come out.
What hypocrisy! NASCAR should be paying Ricky for all the publicity their getting even on non-Sport news media. They're loving this; benefiting from the fight and they're piling on Ricky?
Ricky had hours to cool off plus he told the media people that something may happen. That’s why it’s such a big fine. If it was right after the wreck I think it would be different
This !!! NASCAR did the same thing to Nick Sanchez when he made similar comments and than went after a driver. Or had kept his mouth shut about doing something, than did it I don’t think Ricky would’ve been fined.
Dale Jr and this podcast has became my new favorite.
For a few weeks now I been watching religiously lol .
Daily, every night.
Watching interviews and racing the history and stuff I’ve missed from being a Bobby 18# car fan and stopped watching along time ago. lol
I agree with Dale 100%
Why didn't the NASCAR officals have their people controlling Stenhouse?
Elton john wanted a penalty Saturday night is all right for fighting but this happened on Sunday.
Yikes that one was a reach bro 😂
Rocket Man, burning up his fuse up there alone.
Elton John 😂😂
Crew members stepped in to keep their driver safe. No penalty for them. 75k is BS. Family members involved, yes, suspension from the pits/garage area for specified time.
What's criminals how people like Chase Elliott get suspended for a race when they intentionally wreck someone yet apparently Kyle Busch can intentionally wreck someone calls a big huge ass fight and walk out of it Scott free
Man, yall hit that breaking news in epic ways.. super cool.