Kaito not being a planeswalker during your turn means if he gets blocked he doesn't lose loyalty counters. That's why Gideon says prevent all damage on your turn. Kaito can still die to damage greater than his toughness though.
Karn immediately gets banned if a sideboard is added, right? Exact same reason for Lutri being hit, the cost to include it is so low that I feel everyone plays it
I think having a card permanently in your sideboard isn't as big an issue as having a creature always in your opening hand. Lutri wasn't just about the deckbuilding cost, it was also that he would be part of every single game with an optimally built izzet deck. And the deck building cost wasn't low, it was actually 0. Sideboard at least takes some thought.
@ not as much in best of one, though. I agree that there’s a cost to a wishboard in Legacy, but in CEDH if they add a sideboard it’s just for wish purposes. Everyone is going to take advantage of the ability to run 15 situational artifacts that they can grab off Karn with limited deckbuilding impact, especially since Karn is a colorless answer to artifacts everyone else is grabbing off their own Karns. It’s not quite the level Lutri is but it’s not far below it.
@@michaeldyrud7077 Oh, i mean, the popular way I hear people talking about implementing side boards in commander is for the pre-game. Everyone reveals their commander, then everyone gets a chance to sideboard. Which is how you would really need it to work if you wanted a "sideboard" as opposed to a "wishboard".
@@demonicgrub1025 you seem to not understand karn cause karn grabs artifacts from the sideboard meaning the only cards in the board are the cards karn will fetch. Only other cards you would see are things that can be played from outside of the game and there isnt alot that can do that
I played abzan and Tayam quite a bit, and I have to disagree. A 4 mana, 3 pip, 3/3 that needs another 3 mana to start doing something, plus another form of engine to help it, is far from strong. People don't know, understand or respect Tayam enough. Also most don't run enough removal, so more power to Tayam players. There's nothing wrong with loving the deck, but I've been on the other end enough to know it's quite fragile.
@batardglouton5455 for sure, it is a Fragile deck Its strong, however, because it goes under the meta. Decks aren't built to deal with it. I agree, It is far from the strongest, and will always be an under dog deck
The way Kaito works is the same reason people playing Yawgmoth in Modern have been activating Loyalty abilities of creatures with +1/+1 counters on them when they exile a Grist with Agatha's Soul Cauldron 😜
Tezzy can also get Machine god's effigy for the thras decks on devoted druid. Tezzy also is ramp for your tapped vaults that you used to cast him, he's also a tutor for skite, marvin, d-grid, LED, any number of things that weird fringy decks like to do. Tezz does lots of things I like.
2:44 I have been seeing Ian say that Sissay is still existing after a bit of reworking, but he hasn't revisited it. I'm sure it's definitely worse than it was, but sounds like it's probably still a solid deck
I think Wielder of Mysteries is a little slept on for valley floodcaller lists, you can't flash thoracle with that one. That said, you also need other pieces (can't activate jace at instant speed) to still go for a win, so it's not THAT good, but still something more people should consider for low color lists
I’ll say Sisay is still very good. Mind Sculptors hold it really high post ban. It has some decent results in the past couple of months. For sure isn’t as explosive but it’s still top tier.
Before watching my votes are: 1. 3feri 2. Dihada 3. Karn great creator 4. Tezzeret the Seeker 5. Narsett, parter 6. Oko 7. Tyvar 8. No Search Ashiok 2-4 are pretty interchangeable imo. (I might be missing something admittedly)
You guys should play a game where all the commanders are "non-commander plainswalkers". I would love to see that! "What is the best non-commander plainswalker as a commander?!"
There's always the Oathbreaker or Brawl formats too, not really played all that much but those allow for most non-commander planeswalkers to be used as a "commander"
that feels more like something I'd expect to see in an EDH game rather than a cEDH game, but it would definitely be interesting to see what cEDH can do with that rule 0
Love the vid amniatou is a little slept on in the command zone she can blink back gilded Drake’s and wish claw talismans. Your best etbs get to happen again and again. You keep alive your flesh duplicate and can have your clones re-enter the battlefield if there are better options.
My favorite card in Aminatou is Resourceful Defense. If you blink a planeswalker with RD out it allows you to put the loyalty counters back on the new instance of the planeswalker. It’s practically doubling season at home in esper, but you also get to activate the planeswalker twice. With RD and a spark double you can make infinite loyalty counters which is just weird mostly. I’m sure there’s more tech there but I haven’t explored too thoroughly.
Teferi just needs a 0 drop. It doesn't have to be mana positive. As long as you can get through the deck to find something. Everflowing Chalice is super underrated in lists with Teferi
My favorite PW in Tivit is also absolutely a pet card in Texzeret Master of the Bridge. Great for when a game gets stalled out and im sitting on a mountain of artifacts and it gives affinity for artifacts to get tivit out quicker, but it’s the least competitive card in my pile and I accept that it’s jank more than anything
Jace wielder of mysteries works as a spare win con in polymorph decks, it's very nice to have him around if one of your opponents is protected by the one ring
I love Monster’s Advocate in Illuna and Ur-Dragon. Neither of these are CEDH but still casting an Ur-Dragon and searching for Miirym will always be hell
23:40 IIRC Talion plays it because you can't "get" the talion player by forcing them to draw a card and lose unlike with thoracle consult combo. 32:07 A Permanent does NOT need to be a planeswalker to use loyalty abilities. Prime example is Grist being under an Agatha's Soul Cauldron making infinite insects as the new insects can +1/+1, mill a card, and make another insect. 1:06:42 also true in casual. Was playing Esika at FNM and flipped a teferi, and it is actively harmful to your vibes. If you're just like, doing 1-2 to people every turn with a chandra or something, no one is like "That guy has a teferi in play, murder him."
Funny thing is in Orvar Thoracle is great because you can make a copy of it at instant speed. Ive won many games playing a Thoracle on turn 1-2 for the scry and it's a wincon just sitting there that needs to be answered.
One thing I think is nice about Oko is that he is good both with and against the one ring. If you need to stop losing life you can elk your own ring. If you need to stop your opponents one ring he can do that for you. Now that is still nieche but it is nice to have answer to your own one ring that does have other uses. But dealing with your own ring or other stax piece is a bit of an underrated aspect of the card imo. And their will be that once in a blue moon game where you can finish the game with a sol ring attack.
Vivian is absolutely insane in exactly Rocco and even if you don’t have her instant win online for whatever reason, her other abilities are just strong. Extra bodies for cradle or foodchain, randomly draws 1-4 creatures and then the no mana pod for instant pod chains, if we ever get a 2-3 drop blinker it would just win on its own with any dork out.
Jeska with Dargo was a fun combo. You can go infinite castings of Dargo with Phyrexian Altar and a few sacrificial goblins. Then drop Jeska for the win.
One of my favorite things to do with Grist so far is to reanimate it with the fallout mutant commander which makes grist a 3/3 mutant planeswalker with the abilities that won't kill grist after there are no loyalty counters.
2:48 at our LGS Kinnan and Sissay are the two strongest decks currently. So I doubt Sissay is out, people maybe just don’t play her due to how many steps her wins sometimes require 💀
It's not that Sissay is bad now. It's just, that Sissay took a hard hit with the bans because everything was relevant for her. Pre ban she was Top3 and I think this is not the case anymore.
@@avall0nNn1992 you are wrong. Look at tournament results. It’s still a top 3 deck. It has the seconds highest conversion rate and out performs Rogsi. People mistakenly think Sisay was/is a dockside deck. It wasn’t. It was always a Sevela, Bloomtender, FBE deck. But if people were irresponsible with artifact and enchantments you could win with dockside. In tournament play people were always super responsible with dockside count when Sisay was at the table.
My one question with Karn's -2 ability in cEDH. Since there is no sideboard, does the ability only target spells you control that have been exiled previously during that game? (Like cards exiled with Force of Negation as with the example in the video.)
Idk of someone else said this but if you ninjutsu kaito and then it goes to your turn you can do its abilities twice per turn.do its +1, battle, ninjutsu him out, and play him in post combat to do another one
Quicksilver Elemental is one of the weirdest creatures, since you can use it to copy your planeswalker abilities by using cards like Luxlor, then use that to create some weird infinite combos. It's also a great way to piss off a judge.
Tamiyo, inquisitive mind is really good if you have doubling season on board. Which is why she is nice in green. I think she has some value but with a doubling season in play you can ultimate her turn two or -2 her turn one. Not always the best CEDH play as doubling can be a bit slow and it's hard to tutor for in Simic but has some value there.
No static ashiok, no lukka copper coat for same reasons as birthing viv, the 3 mana chandra is a great spell reanimator as well i feel like having garruk on the lists means these cards should be too.
Have you thought any about Estrid the masked. It has untapped synergies that can abuse the one ring. Infinite combos with chain veil and abuses enchantment ramp. I’d say it’s in the 2-3 range but enchantresses style decks continue to creep set over set.
Tyvar is easily the 2nd best planeswalker in cedh. It’s so slept on. Any deck with golgari should or is likely playing it, especially if they can synergize with the mill aspect. I feel like TnT could even warrant it to turn their many dorks on one turn earlier. Tayam plays it for sure. Muldrotha plays it. It does so much and if hermit Druid ever makes a comeback into the meta game, this card being able to give you hermit Druid with haste and reborn your hermit Druid, it’ll be a toss up between it and 3 mana teferi for top dog.
The idea of Animate Dead being catfished by Grist is very funny. In the graveyard: “Grist, baby! Let me pick you up and take you out.” - Animate Dead On the battlefield: “Ew.”
Yo! On the krrik prof onyx stuff, storm takes advantage of a lot of cards more on the lines of bolas’s citadel and aetherflux! I’ve actually been experimenting with onyx but i’ve found that it’s mostly unreliable and kinda win more. if i draw my deck i’m already winning😂
Im in Pennsylvania and one of these times when you announce a cesh tournament again ill have to come down and show you why grist is higher then just a 3. She is all I play in cedh and I believe she is the best golgari cedh deck there is in the previous format.
Cam actually wrong. 1:18:13 He has seen Vivien Monster's Advocate in a deck other then mono-green. He lost to it while I was playing Rocco in the semis. 😅
As an Arcum Dagsson player, I value Karn hella high. Sadly I'm not able to take advantage of the tezzeret as much as other decks. Does CEDH not use Ashiok from war of the spark? Not quite opp agent but multipurpose.
Auriok salvagers + lions eye diamond. Auriok salvagers has an activated ability to return a zero or 1 cost artifact to the field for 1(w). Since diamond gives you 3 mana, you pay 2 to return it, netting 1 mana. Rinse and repeat for infinite mana.
might be my Grist player bias talking here but since they didnt mention it I wonder if they didnt consider the fact that his +1 turns wordly tutor into another entomb for hulk which makes him a little more versatile than Varolz despite being a slightly worse sac outlet.
uhm acktchually 🤓Ikoria Companions live in your sideboard, so if you had a Biotransference (which you could do with Gyruda, Kaheera, and Keruga), you could -2 Karn to get your companion in your hand instead of paying 3 whole entire generic mana to do the same thing.
just backed the golden sabertooth project, can't wait for april to roll around already :D Also yea no tutors in red is roughhh. I just ordered a SL Gamble off cardmarket, may as well have the only good tutor look nice too
I think you can give 2 cards the same # ranking but still rank them differently. Closer to a Tier ranking with numbers. Always love the videos, though!
Hey just a suggestion, I think it's fucking hilarious when y'all go into multiple decimal places, but. For future videos like this, if y'all decide on a grade scale, assign each card a single number on that scale, then at the end before doing top ten, you could go through and say "ok, this is the list of cards on 3, how would we order them?", the format might be a bit cleaner and you'll use way less decimals. I think there's pros and cons to both ways, but I wanted to throw it out there as a suggestion. On topic: I *really* like the Teferi combo. It protects itself and has a few point of redundancy in cards you want to be playing anyway. Gotta be my favorite walker for cEDH. I also just really like Teferi as a character, too. Got him in my Tameshi deck.
Stax/static Ashiok? GY hate is good as is no tutoring. But I know they don’t like interacting. Also thought Teferi, Master of Time would get a shoutout. Not good but a mention
I feel like Narset P.o.v is getting swept under due to the wheels debate, however, With Rhystic studies and Mystic Remora floating around in basically eveey blue deck this seems like it could be much better than expressed. I do not play Cedh though ❤
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Kaito not being a planeswalker during your turn means if he gets blocked he doesn't lose loyalty counters. That's why Gideon says prevent all damage on your turn. Kaito can still die to damage greater than his toughness though.
*discussing Dihada*
“I think like a 2.7”
“I was gonna say a 3”
“Youve convinced me”
Folded under 0 pressure
sure he does, because Dihada actually deserves a lot more.
Putting the reels out before the video is genius. I been WAITING on this video.
"Naya-list" is a vibe
Karn immediately gets banned if a sideboard is added, right? Exact same reason for Lutri being hit, the cost to include it is so low that I feel everyone plays it
I think having a card permanently in your sideboard isn't as big an issue as having a creature always in your opening hand. Lutri wasn't just about the deckbuilding cost, it was also that he would be part of every single game with an optimally built izzet deck. And the deck building cost wasn't low, it was actually 0. Sideboard at least takes some thought.
@ not as much in best of one, though. I agree that there’s a cost to a wishboard in Legacy, but in CEDH if they add a sideboard it’s just for wish purposes. Everyone is going to take advantage of the ability to run 15 situational artifacts that they can grab off Karn with limited deckbuilding impact, especially since Karn is a colorless answer to artifacts everyone else is grabbing off their own Karns. It’s not quite the level Lutri is but it’s not far below it.
You mean exactly like partners@@demonicgrub1025
@@michaeldyrud7077 Oh, i mean, the popular way I hear people talking about implementing side boards in commander is for the pre-game. Everyone reveals their commander, then everyone gets a chance to sideboard. Which is how you would really need it to work if you wanted a "sideboard" as opposed to a "wishboard".
@@demonicgrub1025 you seem to not understand karn cause karn grabs artifacts from the sideboard meaning the only cards in the board are the cards karn will fetch. Only other cards you would see are things that can be played from outside of the game and there isnt alot that can do that
Aminatou, The Fate Shifter : 2.5
Daretti, Scrap Savant: 2
Dihada, Binder of Wills: 3
Garruk, Primal Hunter: 2.1
Grist, The Hunger Tide: 2.9
Jace, Weilder of Mysteries: 1.5
Jeska, Thrice Reborn: 3.1
Kaito, Bane of Nightmares: 2.8
Karn, The Great Creator: 2.95
Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes: 2.99
Narset, Parter of Veils: 1.2
Nicol Bolas, Dragon God: 2.05
Oko, Thief of Crowns: 1.9
Professor Onyx: 2.15
Ral, Monsoon Mage:
Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student: 2.25
Teferi, Temporal Archmage: 2.3
Teferi, Time Raveler: 4.5
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools: 2.85
Tezzeret, The Seeker: 4
Tyvar, Jubilant Brawler: 2.4
Vivien, Monster's Advocate: 2.105
Vivien on the Hunt: 3.0525
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Tyvar sees play in Tayam! And imo Tayam is good right now
Tyvar was made for Tayam for sure
tayam is really strong right now!
I played abzan and Tayam quite a bit, and I have to disagree. A 4 mana, 3 pip, 3/3 that needs another 3 mana to start doing something, plus another form of engine to help it, is far from strong. People don't know, understand or respect Tayam enough. Also most don't run enough removal, so more power to Tayam players. There's nothing wrong with loving the deck, but I've been on the other end enough to know it's quite fragile.
@batardglouton5455 for sure, it is a Fragile deck
Its strong, however, because it goes under the meta. Decks aren't built to deal with it.
I agree, It is far from the strongest, and will always be an under dog deck
@Lorry_Draws fragile? It's extremely resilient
The way Kaito works is the same reason people playing Yawgmoth in Modern have been activating Loyalty abilities of creatures with +1/+1 counters on them when they exile a Grist with Agatha's Soul Cauldron 😜
Tayam sometimes also runs that combo (which might be more cedh relevant)
Teferi / kitten loop is my favorite wincon right now. Another bonus of running Teferi, you can reset your One Ring if you need to.
You can also do that with kitten if you have them out first.
Crazy that Dack Fayden, a card that can steal the strongest permanent in the format or loot in Breach colours, isn't even on the list!
Tezzy can also get Machine god's effigy for the thras decks on devoted druid.
Tezzy also is ramp for your tapped vaults that you used to cast him, he's also a tutor for skite, marvin, d-grid, LED, any number of things that weird fringy decks like to do.
Tezz does lots of things I like.
2:44 I have been seeing Ian say that Sissay is still existing after a bit of reworking, but he hasn't revisited it. I'm sure it's definitely worse than it was, but sounds like it's probably still a solid deck
I think Wielder of Mysteries is a little slept on for valley floodcaller lists, you can't flash thoracle with that one. That said, you also need other pieces (can't activate jace at instant speed) to still go for a win, so it's not THAT good, but still something more people should consider for low color lists
It is frustrating to pull in an opening hand but otherwise great.
I’ll say Sisay is still very good. Mind Sculptors hold it really high post ban. It has some decent results in the past couple of months. For sure isn’t as explosive but it’s still top tier.
Dack Fayden looking pretty nice with all these one rings around.
Before watching my votes are:
1. 3feri
2. Dihada
3. Karn great creator
4. Tezzeret the Seeker
5. Narsett, parter
6. Oko
7. Tyvar
8. No Search Ashiok
2-4 are pretty interchangeable imo. (I might be missing something admittedly)
I missed Vivien on the Hunt & Onyx. They’re in the mix.
Karn in cedh should probably not be that high
@ timing is everything. most the powerful decks in CEDH can’t win through Karn. Most kept hands rely on their artifact mana getting them going.
You guys should play a game where all the commanders are "non-commander plainswalkers". I would love to see that!
"What is the best non-commander plainswalker as a commander?!"
In casual i've thought about making a rule zero temur sarkahn deck.
There's always the Oathbreaker or Brawl formats too, not really played all that much but those allow for most non-commander planeswalkers to be used as a "commander"
that feels more like something I'd expect to see in an EDH game rather than a cEDH game, but it would definitely be interesting to see what cEDH can do with that rule 0
Thats just Conquest 😂
@mizzelin00 but is it the cEDH version w/ Cam and Dylan? That's what I want to see
Hell yeah! These are always my favorite episodes!
Love the vid amniatou is a little slept on in the command zone she can blink back gilded Drake’s and wish claw talismans. Your best etbs get to happen again and again. You keep alive your flesh duplicate and can have your clones re-enter the battlefield if there are better options.
My favorite card in Aminatou is Resourceful Defense. If you blink a planeswalker with RD out it allows you to put the loyalty counters back on the new instance of the planeswalker. It’s practically doubling season at home in esper, but you also get to activate the planeswalker twice. With RD and a spark double you can make infinite loyalty counters which is just weird mostly. I’m sure there’s more tech there but I haven’t explored too thoroughly.
Teferi just needs a 0 drop. It doesn't have to be mana positive. As long as you can get through the deck to find something. Everflowing Chalice is super underrated in lists with Teferi
@33:00 not having the planeswalker means it can use abilities under caged sun, and can't activate twice with oath of teferi.
You mean immortal sun?
Sick vid, dudes. Thanks for all the hard work, as per usual! 😎
I use Aminatou in my Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign deck with Liliana Vess and Nexus of fate for infinite turns! Stoked to see it up first!
My favorite PW in Tivit is also absolutely a pet card in Texzeret Master of the Bridge. Great for when a game gets stalled out and im sitting on a mountain of artifacts and it gives affinity for artifacts to get tivit out quicker, but it’s the least competitive card in my pile and I accept that it’s jank more than anything
Jace wielder of mysteries works as a spare win con in polymorph decks, it's very nice to have him around if one of your opponents is protected by the one ring
I love Monster’s Advocate in Illuna and Ur-Dragon. Neither of these are CEDH but still casting an Ur-Dragon and searching for Miirym will always be hell
23:40 IIRC Talion plays it because you can't "get" the talion player by forcing them to draw a card and lose unlike with thoracle consult combo.
32:07 A Permanent does NOT need to be a planeswalker to use loyalty abilities. Prime example is Grist being under an Agatha's Soul Cauldron making infinite insects as the new insects can +1/+1, mill a card, and make another insect.
1:06:42 also true in casual. Was playing Esika at FNM and flipped a teferi, and it is actively harmful to your vibes. If you're just like, doing 1-2 to people every turn with a chandra or something, no one is like "That guy has a teferi in play, murder him."
I am actually currently playing a Ral, Monsoon Mage CEDH deck in my local scene and currently 9/19 on it. I am in a meta with very few stax though.
Funny thing is in Orvar Thoracle is great because you can make a copy of it at instant speed. Ive won many games playing a Thoracle on turn 1-2 for the scry and it's a wincon just sitting there that needs to be answered.
48:18 Azorius Heliod is the commander you’re looking for
I run Jace, Wielder of Mysteries in Rona, Herald of Invasion, but that's really the only place I could see running it.
One thing I think is nice about Oko is that he is good both with and against the one ring. If you need to stop losing life you can elk your own ring. If you need to stop your opponents one ring he can do that for you.
Now that is still nieche but it is nice to have answer to your own one ring that does have other uses. But dealing with your own ring or other stax piece is a bit of an underrated aspect of the card imo. And their will be that once in a blue moon game where you can finish the game with a sol ring attack.
Vivian is absolutely insane in exactly Rocco and even if you don’t have her instant win online for whatever reason, her other abilities are just strong. Extra bodies for cradle or foodchain, randomly draws 1-4 creatures and then the no mana pod for instant pod chains, if we ever get a 2-3 drop blinker it would just win on its own with any dork out.
Jeska with Dargo was a fun combo. You can go infinite castings of Dargo with Phyrexian Altar and a few sacrificial goblins. Then drop Jeska for the win.
I have a high power superfriends deck for years. it's funny now seeing it as a cedh Dec
One of my favorite things to do with Grist so far is to reanimate it with the fallout mutant commander which makes grist a 3/3 mutant planeswalker with the abilities that won't kill grist after there are no loyalty counters.
I'm still on Jace in Talion, used to run Circu with Labman and Jace back then for the redundancy and still don't want to let go of it :')
2:48 at our LGS Kinnan and Sissay are the two strongest decks currently. So I doubt Sissay is out, people maybe just don’t play her due to how many steps her wins sometimes require 💀
It's not that Sissay is bad now. It's just, that Sissay took a hard hit with the bans because everything was relevant for her. Pre ban she was Top3 and I think this is not the case anymore.
@@avall0nNn1992 you are wrong. Look at tournament results. It’s still a top 3 deck. It has the seconds highest conversion rate and out performs Rogsi.
People mistakenly think Sisay was/is a dockside deck. It wasn’t. It was always a Sevela, Bloomtender, FBE deck. But if people were irresponsible with artifact and enchantments you could win with dockside. In tournament play people were always super responsible with dockside count when Sisay was at the table.
My one question with Karn's -2 ability in cEDH. Since there is no sideboard, does the ability only target spells you control that have been exiled previously during that game? (Like cards exiled with Force of Negation as with the example in the video.)
Yes.
Yes, that is correct.
In edh, where there’s no sideboard, Karn’s -2 grabs an artifact from exile.
@@eXJonSnow Thank you!!
Idk of someone else said this but if you ninjutsu kaito and then it goes to your turn you can do its abilities twice per turn.do its +1, battle, ninjutsu him out, and play him in post combat to do another one
One of my favorite moments in commander was seeing someone exile grist to Hazel's brewmaster and start activating loyalty abilities with food
That's wonderful
If Grist is your commander and you exile it with Hazel, then recast it. Would the food still have its abilities?
@@Lorry_DrawsNo, because the card is no longer exiled under Hazel's.
Quicksilver Elemental is one of the weirdest creatures, since you can use it to copy your planeswalker abilities by using cards like Luxlor, then use that to create some weird infinite combos.
It's also a great way to piss off a judge.
Tamiyo, inquisitive mind is really good if you have doubling season on board. Which is why she is nice in green. I think she has some value but with a doubling season in play you can ultimate her turn two or -2 her turn one. Not always the best CEDH play as doubling can be a bit slow and it's hard to tutor for in Simic but has some value there.
No static ashiok, no lukka copper coat for same reasons as birthing viv, the 3 mana chandra is a great spell reanimator as well i feel like having garruk on the lists means these cards should be too.
“I think this combo is underrated and one of the more popular combos right now. Underrated that doesn’t make sense.”
That had me laughing so hard.
Have you thought any about Estrid the masked. It has untapped synergies that can abuse the one ring. Infinite combos with chain veil and abuses enchantment ramp. I’d say it’s in the 2-3 range but enchantresses style decks continue to creep set over set.
Tyvar is easily the 2nd best planeswalker in cedh. It’s so slept on. Any deck with golgari should or is likely playing it, especially if they can synergize with the mill aspect. I feel like TnT could even warrant it to turn their many dorks on one turn earlier. Tayam plays it for sure. Muldrotha plays it. It does so much and if hermit Druid ever makes a comeback into the meta game, this card being able to give you hermit Druid with haste and reborn your hermit Druid, it’ll be a toss up between it and 3 mana teferi for top dog.
The idea of Animate Dead being catfished by Grist is very funny.
In the graveyard: “Grist, baby! Let me pick you up and take you out.” - Animate Dead
On the battlefield: “Ew.”
I play Tezzeret and vivien in my Sisay list, Sisay can find either one and from there I can go into the pod line
my favorite planeswalker is Commodore Guff as commander on Polymorph deck
Reckless handling is pretty solid with Daretti too fr.
Some of those planes walkers for starters might be useful in back with commander
Jace weilder of mysteries is a wincon in my Shorikai Humility Control list.
Yo! On the krrik prof onyx stuff, storm takes advantage of a lot of cards more on the lines of bolas’s citadel and aetherflux! I’ve actually been experimenting with onyx but i’ve found that it’s mostly unreliable and kinda win more. if i draw my deck i’m already winning😂
I could just be blind, but I'm not seeing the link in the description for Bullets & Teeth
Im in Pennsylvania and one of these times when you announce a cesh tournament again ill have to come down and show you why grist is higher then just a 3. She is all I play in cedh and I believe she is the best golgari cedh deck there is in the previous format.
tyvar also is a win the game combo with hermit druid
Not sure if it's been said, but Oko does stop the One Ring. It does seem like a relevant point to be made
I'm surprised that the midrange rhystic studies and tymnas didn't come up in the narset conversation, and she's card advantage.
Sisay is still a top 3 deck instead of dockside you have more cryptolith rite and enduring vitality cards to turn it into an inevitability engine
Cam actually wrong. 1:18:13 He has seen Vivien Monster's Advocate in a deck other then mono-green. He lost to it while I was playing Rocco in the semis. 😅
As an Arcum Dagsson player, I value Karn hella high. Sadly I'm not able to take advantage of the tezzeret as much as other decks.
Does CEDH not use Ashiok from war of the spark? Not quite opp agent but multipurpose.
Animate Dead's delayed trigger won't sacrifice grist as they aren't a creature :3
What's the Bomberman combo for infinite mana? I tried to search it but nothing really comes up that sounds right
Auriok salvagers + lions eye diamond. Auriok salvagers has an activated ability to return a zero or 1 cost artifact to the field for 1(w). Since diamond gives you 3 mana, you pay 2 to return it, netting 1 mana. Rinse and repeat for infinite mana.
Sweet that's helpful thank you@@zyronblade
58:11 Justice for Ral
Ya and then immediately talking about Tamiyo afterwards? Ral can be a cool commander
Can't wait for the best battles podcast!
Do we bring up that the karn can lock each opponent sorta almost out the game with mycosynth lattice?
you should make your shirts available with collars
Gimmie that play to win formal attire
might be my Grist player bias talking here but since they didnt mention it I wonder if they didnt consider the fact that his +1 turns wordly tutor into another entomb for hulk which makes him a little more versatile than Varolz despite being a slightly worse sac outlet.
I feel like Teferi, Master of Time should have gotten a lot more respect. It slaps and is game warping.
What do you think about tyvar in bloodpod
I laughed so hard when Minsc got a rating of 2,99 🤣. Narrowing the corner even further. You guys crack me up 😅
I think the other teferi is best plansewalker in cEDH, because I see it in every pod!
Quicklier, yup I’m using that
uhm acktchually 🤓Ikoria Companions live in your sideboard, so if you had a Biotransference (which you could do with Gyruda, Kaheera, and Keruga), you could -2 Karn to get your companion in your hand instead of paying 3 whole entire generic mana to do the same thing.
Sisay is still tearing up the field and Dihada is the single best Legend she runs.
Wait until they see my Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider list with Garruk in the 99
just backed the golden sabertooth project, can't wait for april to roll around already :D
Also yea no tutors in red is roughhh. I just ordered a SL Gamble off cardmarket, may as well have the only good tutor look nice too
I think you can give 2 cards the same # ranking but still rank them differently. Closer to a Tier ranking with numbers. Always love the videos, though!
Blood Pod 🔥 Vivien is essentially a 1 card win condition
Im just surprised we didn't even see Liliana dread horde general idk how good it actually is but i know its decent.
They need Tyler to keep the decimals in check
I still use Jace WoM on my RogSi because of Valley Floodcaller 😂
Tevesh was not affected by the bans when partnerd with Rog
Someone should make a meme of Dylan at 1:07:49. This is great
I like ashiok dream render its just there to annoy your opponents.
Hey just a suggestion, I think it's fucking hilarious when y'all go into multiple decimal places, but. For future videos like this, if y'all decide on a grade scale, assign each card a single number on that scale, then at the end before doing top ten, you could go through and say "ok, this is the list of cards on 3, how would we order them?", the format might be a bit cleaner and you'll use way less decimals. I think there's pros and cons to both ways, but I wanted to throw it out there as a suggestion.
On topic: I *really* like the Teferi combo. It protects itself and has a few point of redundancy in cards you want to be playing anyway. Gotta be my favorite walker for cEDH. I also just really like Teferi as a character, too. Got him in my Tameshi deck.
Kinda missing the bar scrolling at the bottom showing the rankings as you go. Otherwise lovin it
Tyvar sees play in Tayam as well as Sissay. So should be bumped up
Vraska, betrayals sting wins more games for me than almost any other card 🤷♂️ also Dihada is the best imo js
Stax/static Ashiok? GY hate is good as is no tutoring. But I know they don’t like interacting. Also thought Teferi, Master of Time would get a shoutout. Not good but a mention
I feel like Narset P.o.v is getting swept under due to the wheels debate, however, With Rhystic studies and Mystic Remora floating around in basically eveey blue deck this seems like it could be much better than expressed.
I do not play Cedh though ❤
Tevesh trash is looking great after the ban, Tevesh is probly one of the best walkers in commander atm. tyvar i have seen in tayam
I think you forgot that Oko can target The One Ring, right?
Jeska's list placement is ironic haha
Cam, noticed your sweatshirt. Are you guys in Pittsburgh?
Another tutor available to Daretti is Reckless Handling.
I don't get it so was the ranking #10 being the best or #1 being the best?
Am I tripping? Where is the affiliate link to the board game mentioned
right here: www.kickstarter.com/projects/lastditchgames/bullets-and-teeth-and-aliens?ref=brd5hq
Do you think Wotc will introduce a sideboard to EDH?