I’m surprised no mention of Hazel’s Brewmaster! That card has lead to a significant increase in Devoted Druid combos and a dominance in golgari win conditions
Talon gates is such a cool design. It's a cool land with a cool effect that is powerful enough to be worth using while not powerful enough to go in literally every deck. I sometimes wish it was standard legal because it would probably be fun in pioneer or modern.
So a fun little bit about Edge of Eternity: one of the racing teams in aetherdrift (basically the in-universe explanation for factions tied to color pairs) is the Guidelight Voyagers, and it seems like they're basically searching for the story hook to that set (the last paragraph is the important one, skip to it if you want): The Guidelight Voyagers are an uncanny collection of automatons captained by a single mind: a machine that calls itself "Mendicant Core." The automatons of the Guidelight work like limbs of a vast intelligence, united together in the singular purpose to transit the planes of the Multiverse in a repeatable method, varying their approach with rapidity to introduce new variables to their controllable baseline in the hopes of finding a way back to their homeworld. The Guidelight first appeared during the opening of the Omenpaths, emerging onto Avishkar shortly after the Phyrexian invasion. They found the plane acceptable but were disturbed by their arrival there. The Omenpath they transited through essentially opened around them and deposited them upon Avishkar. After a period of wandering the plane, Mendicant encountered the Grand Prix. Under Mendicant's guidance, they deemed the infrastructure of the race to be a perfect iterative field for them to attempt their audacious plan: transit the Omenpaths and hope they recreate the conditions that brought them to Avishkar-only this time in reverse-and return home. The Guidelight Voyagers were able to compete in the first Ghirapur Grand Prix, finishing as a solidly middle-pack team employing reliable, if predictable, strategies. In this edition, though, the Guidelight has revised their plans, attempting new and unpredictable methods of racecraft. Something about the race has changed. Though the other teams don't know what that is, they all understand that the Guidelight Voyagers are searching for something at the edges of the Grand Prix.
its interesting how you guys talked about duskmourn at the beginning cause i recently got back into magic a few months ago after trying initially years ago in like 2017-18. Bloomburrow is what really pulled me in but i think duskmourn has a lot of cool things you can work around with, granted i am in casual commander since i am still learning more every week when i go to my card shop to play but shows like yours teach me a lot! Love the content!
Vexing bauble shuts off a great deal of the fast mana and lion's eye combos. Its valuable in shutting off major prolific threats beyond the free interaction spells
The new hotness for Glarb is to run Dosan and Malevolent Hermit to give you that protection while casting your doomsday or cracking your pile. Come back Dylan. Trust the frog.
Valley Floodcaller with Doubling Seasons in a blue/green deck is fantastic. I have an Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck that shocks people when I get that engine going. I also use a similar engine in my upgraded Tyranid deck, and it slaps hard. By turn 5 I regularly have 25+ power Broodlord with clamavus and doubling season out if the cards go my way.
I'd love to see you guys discuss color pairings and who are the best in each pair/wedge again. Especially once we go back to Tarkir, I love the Sultai wedge personally and I think Tasigur is a secret OP pick
as a Green (Yisan and sometimes Grist Hulk) player, my top 3 cards of the year are colorless/lands. hahahaha 1 - Marvin, Murderous Mimic 2 - Talon Gates of Madara 3 - Shifting Woodland
It does feel really nice to include one in my Dimir deck. On average I can turn 1 fetch into it to help fix my next draw. At best it synergizes with my Commander if I play it right before I attack. The fact that they're fetchable makes them so much more playable than say the Temples.
Something I think they didn't mentioned but I believe is amazing is the six-shifting interaction. Both peaces on board makes every six trigger a menace
High fae trickster really makes me interested in the Neoform decks as just being able to, even if its not something you always want to do, to neoform into trickster just sounds bangin Also Enduring vitality and that whole cycle with neoform is something I think is a shame doesnt have a home it feels like, as being able to neoform it in response to the few permanent removals for it, and then it just returns as an enchantment and u get to bring a 4cmc (high fae, displacer kitten, sheoldred, notion thief, etc)
As a suggestion for the channel, each year, update your top 10 lists with the new cards of each category that come out. Easy update video: It doesn't have to be long just long enough to get the new list.
Around 14min when they’re talking about Seedborne Muse and VFC, the untapping ability with a flash enabler. This is what Elsha of the Infinite does with Unwinding clock. It’s basically seedborne/VFC at home lol
I've won several times with Stella Lee by casting a free counter spell in response to my own wincon, then copying the wincon infinitely in order to win before the counter ever resolved.
Stella's ability targets the spell she copies. If you counter the spell that she's trying to copy, that card gets removed from the stack and put in the yard. It's no longer the same game object as the one she was trying to copy, and her ability will fizzle.
I've used Talon Gates to great effect to sneak my Commander into play or go for a win by phasing out a Drannith with it. And it only costs me a landfall.
You guys want more Plagon on the channel? Well, Goldsabertooth has been playing it in tournaments...and I keep hearing that he's such a great dude, so I bet that'd make for a fun episode!!
The day that Cameron says no rank is the day Dillon yeets himself out a window. NO RANKING NO PLAY TO WIN! Thems the rules. I don't make em, I just make bad jokes about them.
23:16 **EDIT** I'm wrong on this one. Definitely can stifle or Trickbind the activation to put it onto the field. My bad. The ability to activate Talon Gates and put it onto the field bypasses the stack since it's from a private zone (hand), meaning you can't counter putting it onto the field. The ETB phase-out ability can definitely be stifled or Deflecting Swatted, though.
It does not bypass the stack, you reveal Talon Gates as part of activating the ability. See the final ruling for the card on Gatherer where it mentions the ability being on the stack. "When you activate Talon Gates of Madara's last ability, you must reveal Talon Gates of Madara from your hand until that ability resolves or otherwise leaves the stack. If Talon Gates of Madara isn't still in your hand as that ability resolves, nothing happens."
@adubiousnotion5118 @russTheBu5 you guys are right. WotC included a ruling in the release of the card that said that revealing the card is part of the activation cost, and therefore can be interacted with. My bad! In practice though, I'd definitely say that stifling the ETB is better, since that means that player can't just do it again
@@jamieritch3668 I mean you can drop the Talon basically for free if you have heliod flipped and a cost reduction of 4. So it's basically a "free" ability once Heliod's flipped. it's not really free.
Sorry for spamming the comments but I have a question about the innistrad remastered set coming! Is Meathook going to be pre banned for standard when it drops or do you think they may unban it due to power creep?
My favorite card of 2024 is probably Kaito. It’s def not even close to the best and it only goes in one deck so I get why you didnt mention it. It’s a hella fun card though.
If a copy trigger targets a spell on the stack and the spell gets removed, why doesn't the copy trigger fizzle? Did I miss something, cause if the trigger still goes through I feel like that doesn't intuitively makes sense.
i freaking hated the innistrad block. mostly just didnt like the flavor. i know, i know. zombies vamps werewolfs are for old books lol i might be a little bias we just came from new phyrexia. bro. some of the best flavor. all in universe. no one for one comparisons. not on a design level anyway. those cards still make what magic is and is good from this era. they have been chasing that high ever since. and the mirridin beseighed block came off the back of zendikar. off the back of conflux. im starting to get depressed lol now innistrad, did not have the problems that seem to have been happening for years now. the sets actually worked. u could play fun games. there were not an abundance of extra products. extra products r good and bad. so i do agree with u, looking back. innistrad was good. just not my favorite. standard used to be great ! money sink ;)
I’m surprised no mention of Hazel’s Brewmaster! That card has lead to a significant increase in Devoted Druid combos and a dominance in golgari win conditions
Oh yeah!!
Casual bleach reference dropped, it's ok Cam I heard it
Cam knows the heat that was Hueco Mundo
Badass reference!
I showed that line to my gf. She smiled.
Same
Was ab to comment some shit. W comment
Talon gates is such a cool design. It's a cool land with a cool effect that is powerful enough to be worth using while not powerful enough to go in literally every deck. I sometimes wish it was standard legal because it would probably be fun in pioneer or modern.
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The year of our Glarb 2024
I guess Delney would be the nonland card from MKM that's seeing a reasonable level of play
Delney is a great one too!
So a fun little bit about Edge of Eternity: one of the racing teams in aetherdrift (basically the in-universe explanation for factions tied to color pairs) is the Guidelight Voyagers, and it seems like they're basically searching for the story hook to that set (the last paragraph is the important one, skip to it if you want):
The Guidelight Voyagers are an uncanny collection of automatons captained by a single mind: a machine that calls itself "Mendicant Core." The automatons of the Guidelight work like limbs of a vast intelligence, united together in the singular purpose to transit the planes of the Multiverse in a repeatable method, varying their approach with rapidity to introduce new variables to their controllable baseline in the hopes of finding a way back to their homeworld.
The Guidelight first appeared during the opening of the Omenpaths, emerging onto Avishkar shortly after the Phyrexian invasion. They found the plane acceptable but were disturbed by their arrival there. The Omenpath they transited through essentially opened around them and deposited them upon Avishkar. After a period of wandering the plane, Mendicant encountered the Grand Prix.
Under Mendicant's guidance, they deemed the infrastructure of the race to be a perfect iterative field for them to attempt their audacious plan: transit the Omenpaths and hope they recreate the conditions that brought them to Avishkar-only this time in reverse-and return home. The Guidelight Voyagers were able to compete in the first Ghirapur Grand Prix, finishing as a solidly middle-pack team employing reliable, if predictable, strategies. In this edition, though, the Guidelight has revised their plans, attempting new and unpredictable methods of racecraft. Something about the race has changed. Though the other teams don't know what that is, they all understand that the Guidelight Voyagers are searching for something at the edges of the Grand Prix.
Also, end of the year, great to see you guys agreeing on a top 5. Keep that energy up next year, fellas 🤟
Mockingbird is also one of my favorite flavor wins
As a die hard Stella Lee player, I’m so glad she is getting the recognition she deserves
Same!!!! I love my girl Stella!!!
She amazing, got to 2nd place in a 63-player tournament
As a PGH resident, I appreciate the Kennywood sweater and your overall love of coasters.
Phantom's Revenge is in contention for best coaster in PA!
Best magic content on RUclips!
its interesting how you guys talked about duskmourn at the beginning cause i recently got back into magic a few months ago after trying initially years ago in like 2017-18. Bloomburrow is what really pulled me in but i think duskmourn has a lot of cool things you can work around with, granted i am in casual commander since i am still learning more every week when i go to my card shop to play but shows like yours teach me a lot! Love the content!
Thank you dudes for making great content, ive listened a lot this year and learned a lot. Im excited to see what playtowin brings in 2025
I've been enjoying Shifting woodlands in my mothman deck, I tend to get my combo pieces for food chain pretty easily.
I think its so cool you guys let patrons in your videos. Shoutout to play to win, you guys are awesome
Excited to see what yall cook up in 2025! Been a joy to discover your channel this year
Man, you guys make great videos
Vexing bauble shuts off a great deal of the fast mana and lion's eye combos. Its valuable in shutting off major prolific threats beyond the free interaction spells
The new hotness for Glarb is to run Dosan and Malevolent Hermit to give you that protection while casting your doomsday or cracking your pile. Come back Dylan. Trust the frog.
I love master of keys. Winning with Tiny Bones Joins Up is great 😁
Valley Floodcaller with Doubling Seasons in a blue/green deck is fantastic. I have an Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck that shocks people when I get that engine going. I also use a similar engine in my upgraded Tyranid deck, and it slaps hard. By turn 5 I regularly have 25+ power Broodlord with clamavus and doubling season out if the cards go my way.
I'd love to see you guys discuss color pairings and who are the best in each pair/wedge again. Especially once we go back to Tarkir, I love the Sultai wedge personally and I think Tasigur is a secret OP pick
as a Green (Yisan and sometimes Grist Hulk) player, my top 3 cards of the year are colorless/lands. hahahaha
1 - Marvin, Murderous Mimic
2 - Talon Gates of Madara
3 - Shifting Woodland
also, my hopes for unbans
1 - Primeval Titan
2 - Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
3 - Sylvan Primordial (yeah, right)
Surveil lands are good as a 1 of, lot of help with lands for 2 color decks too. Surveil lands feel best in my muldrotha deck
It does feel really nice to include one in my Dimir deck. On average I can turn 1 fetch into it to help fix my next draw. At best it synergizes with my Commander if I play it right before I attack. The fact that they're fetchable makes them so much more playable than say the Temples.
Always waiting for the next cedh content 👍🏻
Something I think they didn't mentioned but I believe is amazing is the six-shifting interaction. Both peaces on board makes every six trigger a menace
best day of the week
oh boy its podcast day!!
talon gates of madara feels so strong its such a weird effect for a land to have. and it enters untapped for mana
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PlayToWin has become the new Simpsons
That's so horribly offensive, calling them "new Simpsons". New Simpsons sucks. Old Simpsons is based
@@GigaBoostnew simpsons is coming back!!
High fae trickster really makes me interested in the Neoform decks as just being able to, even if its not something you always want to do, to neoform into trickster just sounds bangin
Also Enduring vitality and that whole cycle with neoform is something I think is a shame doesnt have a home it feels like, as being able to neoform it in response to the few permanent removals for it, and then it just returns as an enchantment and u get to bring a 4cmc (high fae, displacer kitten, sheoldred, notion thief, etc)
As a suggestion for the channel, each year, update your top 10 lists with the new cards of each category that come out. Easy update video: It doesn't have to be long just long enough to get the new list.
Around 14min when they’re talking about Seedborne Muse and VFC, the untapping ability with a flash enabler. This is what Elsha of the Infinite does with Unwinding clock. It’s basically seedborne/VFC at home lol
I've won several times with Stella Lee by casting a free counter spell in response to my own wincon, then copying the wincon infinitely in order to win before the counter ever resolved.
Bleach got mentioned ❤ love it, Cam we need to convince wizards for a cross over 😅
Merry Christmas fellas! ❤❤❤
thank god we put things in terms of frogs out of reindeer, i never could have understood otherwise
Stella's ability targets the spell she copies. If you counter the spell that she's trying to copy, that card gets removed from the stack and put in the yard. It's no longer the same game object as the one she was trying to copy, and her ability will fizzle.
I was surprised to not see Pollywog Prodigy mentioned in the best cards of the year.
Veil of Summer, Dosan, City of Solitude
Not to mention Cavern of Souls being playable off the top during a Doomsday pile
I've used Talon Gates to great effect to sneak my Commander into play or go for a win by phasing out a Drannith with it. And it only costs me a landfall.
Vexing bobble shuts down led+breach and other infinite mana combo that use a zero cost rock
Nadu was so good in wise mothman, I wanted to build the deck but since the bird's banned I'd rather play glarb even if I lose foof chain.
It was also really good in derevi it’s a shame
Awesome episode.
Enduring Vitality + Stormsplitter goes nutso.
You guys want more Plagon on the channel? Well, Goldsabertooth has been playing it in tournaments...and I keep hearing that he's such a great dude, so I bet that'd make for a fun episode!!
The day that Cameron says no rank is the day Dillon yeets himself out a window. NO RANKING NO PLAY TO WIN! Thems the rules. I don't make em, I just make bad jokes about them.
Flare of Duplication goes both ways! I know, I was here yesterday. It goes both ways.
The constant hate on my guy Tivit lol. His conversion rate is literally higher than rogsi post ban
The new Kykar from Foundations is also very good. But probably only ever high power. But Displacer kitten in the command cant be that bad.
Important question. Where does play to win get their floating mana tokens???
I'm so glad you guys are fans of bleach such a good anime hope you all are watching what's going on in the blood war
We’re catching Dylan up so he can watch it
10:12 For me, it'll always be Meathook Massacre II because I love that it's just the bad sequel nobody asked for
You guys are fucking awesome! Love your show.
The ur dragon lives in the blind eternities.
23:16 **EDIT** I'm wrong on this one. Definitely can stifle or Trickbind the activation to put it onto the field. My bad.
The ability to activate Talon Gates and put it onto the field bypasses the stack since it's from a private zone (hand), meaning you can't counter putting it onto the field. The ETB phase-out ability can definitely be stifled or Deflecting Swatted, though.
It does not bypass the stack, you reveal Talon Gates as part of activating the ability. See the final ruling for the card on Gatherer where it mentions the ability being on the stack.
"When you activate Talon Gates of Madara's last ability, you must reveal Talon Gates of Madara from your hand until that ability resolves or otherwise leaves the stack. If Talon Gates of Madara isn't still in your hand as that ability resolves, nothing happens."
I don't believe this is true. The ability is very similar to ninjutsu, which you can also stifle. Not that it really changes much tho.
@adubiousnotion5118 @russTheBu5 you guys are right. WotC included a ruling in the release of the card that said that revealing the card is part of the activation cost, and therefore can be interacted with. My bad! In practice though, I'd definitely say that stifling the ETB is better, since that means that player can't just do it again
45:05 Didnt realize they printed a questing beast theme card in 2024
Still can’t believe master of keys wasn’t in the top 5 new commanders.
Pennywise was the Jolly Balloon man!
I haven’t seen solid stax decks for a while.
I’m still surprised we’re not seeing satoru the infiltrator
In the first 10 mins i realize what "too much new cards" means
Cant wait for cedh to play leyline of anticipation
i hope so much that the spongebob cards will be great in cEDH, just because i think it would be funny
I feel like hazels brewmaster should’ve been in the top 5. It’s part of a combo that props up tymna thras
Birds & Otters
Best creature types in today's meta. 😎😎
Wait, edge of eternities is the BLIND ETERNITIES???? I thought it was just a space plane, thats infinitely more sick
I might be dying alone on this hill but Lively Dirge is one of the best cedh cards this year
No mention of Pollywog Prodigy?
This!
Shoutout to Domitrius!
Talon gates of Madera goes in Heliod, radiant. It's protection or removal and you can play it for free"
Oh sweet, you mean use the ability for free? How do you do that?
@@jamieritch3668 I mean you can drop the Talon basically for free if you have heliod flipped and a cost reduction of 4. So it's basically a "free" ability once Heliod's flipped. it's not really free.
@@groover1der but Heliod reduces spell costs and Talon is an ability?
The answer to rhystic study is to not feed it. Pay the 1!!!
Sorry for spamming the comments but I have a question about the innistrad remastered set coming! Is Meathook going to be pre banned for standard when it drops or do you think they may unban it due to power creep?
My favorite card of 2024 is probably Kaito. It’s def not even close to the best and it only goes in one deck so I get why you didnt mention it. It’s a hella fun card though.
If a copy trigger targets a spell on the stack and the spell gets removed, why doesn't the copy trigger fizzle? Did I miss something, cause if the trigger still goes through I feel like that doesn't intuitively makes sense.
PLAY THE OTTER! PLAY THE OTTER! 🦦
Love you guys. I don’t even play cEDH that much but your insight, humor, and honesty keep me coming back. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays boys. 🎄 🎅
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Play psychic frog in Raffine ;)
Its wierd. I dont care for glarb but love vohar but they have similar combo lines except glarb has access to green too. Love rakdos and stella though
Damn are you guys in Pittsburgh Pa?
I know he's not 2024 but is Ghyrson Starn kelermorph still a viable CEDH commander?
I would pay $80 for that dope tie dye play to win shirt
They're available on our Bonfire merch store for much less than that!
@PlaytoWinMTG can you explain why Storm, Force of Nature is not cEDH viable? Seems as cracked wide open as the Grand Canyon?
All I know is my boy Rakdos the Muscle better be mentioned!
The boy got ROBBED
Pollywog prodigy, rev, and delney not even making honourable mentions
Delney probably should have, but we've been a little down on pollywog prodigy
How good is Xyris in CEDH?
Stella Lee Top 5 LFG!!!!!!! Queen!!! lol
Wouldn’t give the fish to Magda, maskwood nexus exists in 99% of lists
Blind eternities set? Eldrazi planeswalker?
Prediction for 2025: Dranith Magistrate banned
no any or the marvel commanders ?
Thoughts on sexy redd???
Screw calling it "midrange hell", my name for it is "bisexual panic".
Because it swings both ways.
You guys didn’t like Alexios like Slicer?
Molten duplication?
A blasphemous lack of Flubs!
i freaking hated the innistrad block. mostly just didnt like the flavor. i know, i know.
zombies vamps werewolfs are for old books lol
i might be a little bias
we just came from new phyrexia. bro. some of the best flavor. all in universe. no one for one comparisons. not on a design level anyway. those cards still make what magic is and is good from this era. they have been chasing that high ever since. and the mirridin beseighed block came off the back of zendikar. off the back of conflux.
im starting to get depressed lol
now innistrad, did not have the problems that seem to have been happening for years now. the sets actually worked. u could play fun games. there were not an abundance of extra products. extra products r good and bad.
so i do agree with u, looking back. innistrad was good. just not my favorite.
standard used to be great ! money sink ;)
Delney came out of murders didn’t it?