"Like Hellraiser it'll probably still involve BDSM themes somehow" [cuts to the next review] "As you can see I'm a little tied up" Ha! Gotta love how that worked out.
Atkins is sad. Like a war veteran with PTSD from a super messed up war? Make his fingers knives, his ammo belt can stay and be melded into him, having him have child’s eyes to show the loss of innocence in a war, arms could be guns and he laments he lost his humanity and can’t interact with the world with the weaponry, horrific burns like napalm, helmet fused with his head, getting around on punji sticks shoved into his lower torso. He has about a gift wrapped as it gets idea for a character and design. Nam ruined minds and would make sense to seek out the cube
Yeah... I remember a story from my own uncle one Christmas Eve. Where he had way, waaaay too much to drink (he normally didn't). And he started talking for the first and only time about being in the war. He talked about things. Like how on a patrol a child ran up to them and in broken English started asking him for food. He stopped to give this, as he figured maybe 4, 5 year old kid some food from his pack. His sergeant came up pointed his rifle at the kid and told him to run. My uncle about to ask what the hell as the kid ran off without any food... And exploded. The look in his eyes. The way he spoke. ... and then him mentioning when he came home. And there at the airport were protesters calling him a child killer and baby murderer and telling him that he should have killed himself for what he did, that he was a monster, etc. Might be an unreliable memory of the trauma mutating the experience at the airport. But that, and some other things he mentioned? The look in his eyes. The way he spoke that night. Seeing him just utterly breaking down in front of my eyes? One of the more chilling, and in its own twisted way, spellbinding, moments of my life. There's definitely a way you could do a Cenobite off that. Someone who had seen every line of decency they thought existed towards humanity crossed, and tried to find some meaning in despair. I THINK they wanted to do something like that with Atkins. As Atkins was always a big adherent of Order, trying to remove anarchy, chaos, disorder. He was the one always trying to work towards it more than any other. Perhaps because of those experiences. Just by the format, and the relatively limited time they had to work with Atkins in any story it usually turned into him just shooting/exploding the "Chaos" around them over that haunted moment of trauma.
If I was tasked with designing a Vietnam war cenobite I would definitely use a napalm burn looking fusing of him and his equipment. Just imagine, no left arm, a right arm that's fused into the trigger for his rifle, a gas mask half molded into his face, the mask broken on the other side revealing dead eyes of someone who has seen every inhumanity man can do to another, you can even have the ammo belt fused in a similar situation. Honestly a story about a returned Vietnam vet seeking hedonistic pleasure as the only way to feel anything eventually leading him to the box and constantly reliving his hell to eventually ware him down to being unable to distinguish pain from pleasure, that's a hell raiser comic I want
I may have a theory about why the pillar was petrified. It ran out of blood. The occupants trapped inside of it fed on the supply that it had, when it ran out the column went dormant until it was given a fresh source. But that's just a theory. A copyright infringing theory.
I love the running gag in the first review where Linkara as Atkins turns (I presume) quotes from the Hellraiser films into action movie one liners. Imagine the poor dude who just wanted the ultimate BDSM experience and out of the Lament Configuration comes this Rambo reject shooting up the place. LOL
I still stand by what I said……a Cenobite who was a veteran is not a bad idea because war is crazy and horrible………my problem is the character of Atkins and his design which you could do so much more with like a German ww1 soldier who wears a gas mask with pins in his head or his helmet being nailed to his head.
Atkins as could be: The vietnam vet stuff, and now he's a huge, hulking figure that speaks only in war screams and creates visions of people's absolute worst, most traumatic moments to help "enlighten" them and carrying the gun not so he could kill others but so he could load them with a single bullet and offer it to his victims.
Four months late, but the WW1 cenobite could also have a chemical warfare spin. World War 1 had some genuinely horrific stuff, weapons that did ungodly things to other humans.
It was interesting seeing all these reviews come through in order, mostly in how the tone is all over the place in terms of quality and connectivity. That’s not bad, but it does highlight just how the bad comics are spread out compared to something like ‘The Thing’. Thanks for the hard work Lewis
I can't help but feel that Clive Barker would be a great fit for writing a Cyberman episode of Doctor Who. It would be an interesting thing to see Barker write something with a PG or 12 Certificate.
Why are you still watching Halloween-themed videos? It's December. Me: Because I work in retail. I'm surrounded by forced holiday cheer and shitty customers. So cram it and let me enjoy my year-long spooky season!
I think Atkins could work as a Cenobite in training an infant in their races eyes, with the character still transitioning away from his human life. The hell soldier is what he thinks hell is, but evolves into something far worse.
Marshall Law and Pinhead monologuing about soldiers being the greatest people and real life supermen who don't get glorified enough, where the guy who likes wearing an SS uniform sees the truth so scapegoats superheroes isn't just dumb and cringy. It raises a lot of red flags covered in swastikas that I'm hoping is out of sheer incompetence at doing parodies to the point of forgetting to include self-mockery.
Marshall Law at first had that level of self parody(not saying it was good, but it was aware that Law was a pretty bad dude himself) buuuut overtime the "all supers suck" thing took over.
*has already seen all the individual videos done on this series, sees Linkata upload a complete video of all episodes...gives immediate like and watches entire thing again*
The thing I still don't get about the Pinhead miniseries is why his past incarnations are just hanging out on Earth doing a bunch of bullshit. The Pinhead everyone knows spends most of his time in another dimension and only comes out when someone opens the box, so why are all of these other guys members of the human community? And can everyone see how fucked up they look or do they all see him as looking normal?
I feel like with the right person the superhero hunter thing could be an interesting look at how celebrities can get away with stuff normal people can’t because they’re celebrities. Unfortunately most comics go to too much of a cartoonish extreme
Chucky having to defend his sacrifice child from the cenobites after the child accidentally solves the lament configuration well trying to impress a college admissions official sounds like a great idea for a movie
I wasn't supposed to laugh so hard but hellraiser summer special is literally about a woman being saved from hell while getting her wig snatched clean off lmaooo. As a black woman, I don't know how I feel about snatching wigs even in a comic lol
This was a wonderful, special, delightfully weird series and I thank you for exposing us to it. Have you considered the X-Files comics for a recurring Halloween review series?
How I'd personally envision Atkins to make him bearable: 1) No talking. Just a dead-eyed, thousand yard stare. And if he opens his mouth? It's just an ear-splitting scream of anguish. 2) Rather than the bullets everywhere? Bullet holes all over his body so he looks shot to hell that slowly ooze blood. Alternatively make him look affected by agent orange, cause ya know, Vietnam vet and all that. 3.) Rather than guns his method of killing/torturing is a hallucinatory or simulated form of waterboarding.
The version of Sleeping Beauty that the Librarian mentions is seemingly based upon older versions of the tale in which, instead of a Prince, a King comes along & impregnates her while she's still asleep! So while it is padding, I wouldn't call it an edgier version as there is actually a version of the tale where Sleeping Beauty is essentially violated in her sleep & another example of how some fairy tales are truly messed up! However I kinda like its inclusion as it shows how some versions of the original fairy tales can be really dark & twisted (mind you, sleeping beauty can be problematic even when its just the handsome prince kissing her to free her from the spell, due to Sleeping Beauty's inability to consent to said kiss, though the Disney version ironically is less problematic as the Prince in that has a romantic relationship with her, before she is cursed) to the point its not surprising a Cenobite like the Librarian would tell it like that! Also, from what I was able to read, the Librarian seems to be telling FAN DANCER the story as a way to console her presumably by sharing the twisted & tragic tale of Sleeping Beauty!
"Bad guys, Fighting other bad guys. Expectine one to win because they are the face of the franchise" Never had I found such a perfect description for Warhammer 40K.
Wow these are great! Not very often I will come back to something and watch over 3 hours! Disregard my previous comment since it made no sense and made even less sense when I tried to figure out a way for it to make sense.
old wives tales, that woman having fat gramma's voice seems so fitting as I can see that fat gramma teaching linkara that monster program kids to believe weird shit. My question is just ... Is Fat Gramma Canon? Cross overs can be canon or not canon, I know that Lewis isn't a stickler on the canon so I am just curious. I would love to see Fat gramma at some point dealing with some interdimension cosmic horror or killer Linkara clone. Lol, maybe Linksano made Fat gramma by accident, messing with to dna editor and spilling coffee on the keyboard or something. What does she do while Linkara is battling monster... who would win between fat gramma and Moarte? Does Fat Gramma man a station in Comacon One, I could see her the ships cook? Does Fat Gramma live in a parallel universe like Linkara's moustached doppelganger?
And so we come to the first horror franchise to be reviewed for A-Shock the Fourth Wall. Even with the name change, crazy Halloween incidents happen - terrible secrets straight out of Identity Crisis, old enemies returning (including a certain mirror universe variant playing the role of both the Jackal and Norman Osborn), mysterious hooded figures linked to reality shifts, and a Hellraiser-type scenario engineered by Bandit Chief during the dragged-on-too-long Contest of Champions. It’s been fun looking at Epic Comics Hellraiser line, seeing if these stories still hold up today. (Except for Pinhead vs Marshall Law - we all know this crossover blows.) I do hope one day you’ll get to do the other Hellraiser comics, both from Epic Comics and other publishers. PS: regarding superhero deconstruction, have you ever considered looking at Mark Waid’s Irredeemable and Incorruptible?
While I get Atkins is a poor excuse for a Cenobite, I like to think of him as more of a parody of 90s MY Superpower is I HAVE A GUN types & more or less the comic relief! Still, they should have brought back Gehenna & Faces.
“Here’s Superman tortured by cenobite-versions of his enemies.” Clearly one of them is Jimmy Olsen, the most evil of all of Supe’s rogues! Edit: Oh and Lois Lane.
This show's run quite the gauntlet hannit? From psychological horror in Silent Hill to the exerstential dread of The Thing to dark comedy with Nightmare on Elm Street to body horror here and then nightmare fuel with The Ring.
I see the theoretical need and idea of Atkins as a warrior Cenobite, and Pinhead could even take him under his wing since Pinhead is not only the leader, but was a similarly mentally scarred veteran in his past life. While not being able to fully connect since not only did Atkins get converted while on duty, their use of Atkins as a warrior kind of precludes letting him grow or find peace. Edit: and there is much more to be done with militant body horror. Especially if we bring the nastiness of the Vietnam War to the forefront. Claymore directional mines emerging form his chest, Bouncing Betties launching from his shoulders and hips, a tripwire spool on his ankles, punji sticks coming out here and there, pustules of agent orange and napalm, flare and smock dischargers along his spine...
Honestly, Linkara saying most of the Hellraiser comics are good and don't belong on the show kinda makes me want to see him do a retrospective of them instead like he did for The Sandman.
Wait, wait, Atkins accidentally solved a puzzle? Didn't Pinhead imply in HR2 that you couldn't accidentally solve the puzzle? Like, you have to be trying to solve it. "It's not hands, but hearts that summon us." Ergo, if in your heart you aren't intending to summon them, it shouldn't work.
@@AT4W I guess I can't argue that. It's just that was one thing I liked about HR2. A doctor tries to have a bunch of kids solve the puzzle box to keep himself out of trouble, but as soon as the cenobites arrive, Pinhead ignored them, because he knew who it was who wanted the box solved. Intent matters to them more than the specific action.
Am I the only one who just realized the version of Red Riding Hood told In the third issue of the Pinhead mini series is the same version of the story FG told in issue #14 (Collectors) of The Sandman? I never noticed before but seeing this after rereading The Sandman made it hit like a truck
I noticed the same thing. It's actually from some of the older versions of the story, before they were sanitised, with the wolf telling Red to strip and her unknowingly eating her own grandmother. RRH has always been an allegory about being led off the path of righteousness and obedience into sin, so it's a good fit for Hellraiser.
If Cenobites are committed to maintaining order between the world of the living and dead, are they an evil version of the Soul Society from Bleach? Then again, the Soul Society was already pretty evil. By the end of the first season, we learned that they had committed at least two acts of genocide. For the sake of order of course.
@Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Sorry it was a bad joke to the side comments you were making spoken as the character in the beginning. I never imagined you'd reply.
@@ssj4jason737 lol, Hellboy would be fun, gets caught by chains and says "sonofa..." But Mignola did a Nightbreed cover around the time film was released, Clive Barker is a good friend to creators, will write stuff for them and it could range from fun. There was a comic adaptation to his book Thief of Always, that's actually a good book for young adults. I still think like Clive Barker's movies are like a painting, the whole screaming, wind machine, strobe lights, are very much like a paintings that's got violent brush work.
Would have to totally agree that I reject superhero deconstructions, it’s why I have no interest in watching the Boys no matter how much shit anyone who replies to this comment will give me for it
I'm kinda debating about reading Boom's run on Hellraiser because I'm intrigued by Pinhead & Kirsty switching places. Is it still worth the read, anyone who has read it?
I have to admit, it's probably due to being from the '90s myself, but Atkins is kind of a guilty pleasure for me just for how outlandishly stupid he is. Sure, it breaks the mood and the mythos of the franchise, but i always get at least a chuckle out of his dialogues (is this how a Michael Bay fan feels? lol). Also, regarding the Marshal Law crossover: i get the feeling Kevin O' Neill's art style is trying to be like Mike Mignola but not getting there, thinking that just making everything angular, over-the-top and using Frank Miller-esque contrast is all it takes. I know nothing anything about Law's original run, so i don't know if it's consistent with that. -Teo
Is the Boiler Room the wrong side of heaven and the righteous side of hell? Vietnam? Oh no that 90’s Cenobite scraps is back! Canons of Pain? DC Rewrites! Inverted crosses need context. Naturally yes they are fine, if done mixed with evil presence it’s evil. Kinda weird The Beegees line!!!
In Stanley Kubrick's The Shinning a movie mistake was not called out by any horror fans it's a scene when Danny Torrance tell Wendy her son can't wake up that he's gone away . this tells fans that Tony is now possessing Danny's own body some time later he referes to her as mom giving this confusion as to whether Danny actually went away or not . mistakes were made however The Shinning is still a classic favorite many will still enjoy to this very day . at the end of Freddy vs Jason a scene ending would have been this appearance by Pinhead asking both Kruger this . " gentlemen what seems to be the problem . " also Freedy Kruger would have made an appearance as a bounty hunter in the sequel movie Critters 2 . would have been funny to hear Kruger say this . " kill more Crites and keep your shirt on asshole ! " 😆
Man, I loved the Hellraiser movie that was in outer space. Even loved the end reveal that the space station was a giant mirror thing meant to reflect infinite light to destroy the box and the cenobites. I thought it was awesome and fairly clever if a bit too flashback heavy. Nice to see someone else liked it, as I usually feel very, very alone for saying I liked it.
I dunno why, but the Ashock The Fourth Wall theme followed by “IT’S CHRISTMAS TIME!” Is pretty hilarious to me. I know it’s because the first Hellraiser review was a December episode, but it’s still a funny thing to come across.
Having a nice late night dealing with Insomnia and the Like so i'm playing some Hardcore Minecraft and listening to Linkara talk about the Comic version of some of my favorite sadomasochistic pleasure pals. Thanks for showing such sighs, Mate. Have an amazing night!
Huh. Was not expecting the "All I Want for Christmas" cover to be used here. I was expecting the Carol of the Bells. Still, can't wait to see how many people get infected by an earworm listening to that!
It's so weird hearing all of these Cenobites being referred to by gimmicky WWE-sounding names. Like, I always just assumed stuff like "Pinhead" and "Chatterer" were just fan nicknames or production names for the costumes and not their *actual name.*
I don't know about you, but sitting in a cubicle listening to someone complain about having a case of the Mondays is my definition of hell. So seeing a cynobite there probably would not be that unusual. "Hey Chatterer, how was your weekend?"
The concept is great. Militarized body horror war vet pointed at chaos while being the youngest of these cenobites lets him offer a more human perspective. A wasted opportunity.
Holy hell, atkins just does not work in this one bit. Did Rob Liefeld execute a guerrilla editing campaign on this thing?!? And quite frankly, a war-themed cenobite really should work. There’s plenty of potential for uncanny and horrifying imagery there, more than almost any other subject. And they just completely ballsed it somehow.
Expecting us to root for bad guys fighting other bad guys is also my problem with Star Trek comics set in the mirror universe. Like, at least center the story around the Terran Rebellion
Essas ediçoes são fantasticas, infelizmente aqui no brasil só sairam os primeiros volumes. devido a grande inflaçao no pais na decada de 90 a editora abandonou a obra. queria muito ter ela completa.
That Marshall Law comic... the ONE time it would've made sense for Atkins to show up...
"Like Hellraiser it'll probably still involve BDSM themes somehow"
[cuts to the next review]
"As you can see I'm a little tied up"
Ha! Gotta love how that worked out.
Atkins is sad. Like a war veteran with PTSD from a super messed up war? Make his fingers knives, his ammo belt can stay and be melded into him, having him have child’s eyes to show the loss of innocence in a war, arms could be guns and he laments he lost his humanity and can’t interact with the world with the weaponry, horrific burns like napalm, helmet fused with his head, getting around on punji sticks shoved into his lower torso.
He has about a gift wrapped as it gets idea for a character and design. Nam ruined minds and would make sense to seek out the cube
Yeah...
I remember a story from my own uncle one Christmas Eve. Where he had way, waaaay too much to drink (he normally didn't). And he started talking for the first and only time about being in the war. He talked about things. Like how on a patrol a child ran up to them and in broken English started asking him for food. He stopped to give this, as he figured maybe 4, 5 year old kid some food from his pack.
His sergeant came up pointed his rifle at the kid and told him to run. My uncle about to ask what the hell as the kid ran off without any food...
And exploded.
The look in his eyes. The way he spoke.
... and then him mentioning when he came home. And there at the airport were protesters calling him a child killer and baby murderer and telling him that he should have killed himself for what he did, that he was a monster, etc.
Might be an unreliable memory of the trauma mutating the experience at the airport. But that, and some other things he mentioned? The look in his eyes. The way he spoke that night. Seeing him just utterly breaking down in front of my eyes? One of the more chilling, and in its own twisted way, spellbinding, moments of my life.
There's definitely a way you could do a Cenobite off that. Someone who had seen every line of decency they thought existed towards humanity crossed, and tried to find some meaning in despair.
I THINK they wanted to do something like that with Atkins. As Atkins was always a big adherent of Order, trying to remove anarchy, chaos, disorder. He was the one always trying to work towards it more than any other. Perhaps because of those experiences.
Just by the format, and the relatively limited time they had to work with Atkins in any story it usually turned into him just shooting/exploding the "Chaos" around them over that haunted moment of trauma.
I can imagine the designers didn't do the first idea because they didn't want any comparisons to Freddy Krueger.
If I was tasked with designing a Vietnam war cenobite I would definitely use a napalm burn looking fusing of him and his equipment. Just imagine, no left arm, a right arm that's fused into the trigger for his rifle, a gas mask half molded into his face, the mask broken on the other side revealing dead eyes of someone who has seen every inhumanity man can do to another, you can even have the ammo belt fused in a similar situation. Honestly a story about a returned Vietnam vet seeking hedonistic pleasure as the only way to feel anything eventually leading him to the box and constantly reliving his hell to eventually ware him down to being unable to distinguish pain from pleasure, that's a hell raiser comic I want
I may have a theory about why the pillar was petrified. It ran out of blood.
The occupants trapped inside of it fed on the supply that it had, when it ran out the column went dormant until it was given a fresh source.
But that's just a theory. A copyright infringing theory.
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I love the running gag in the first review where Linkara as Atkins turns (I presume) quotes from the Hellraiser films into action movie one liners.
Imagine the poor dude who just wanted the ultimate BDSM experience and out of the Lament Configuration comes this Rambo reject shooting up the place. LOL
I'd watch that movie, can't be worse than some of the later entries in the series
Just getting shit 50 times "I was expecting more chains, hooks, and leather. Sorry Atkins this just isn't my kink"
I still stand by what I said……a Cenobite who was a veteran is not a bad idea because war is crazy and horrible………my problem is the character of Atkins and his design which you could do so much more with like a German ww1 soldier who wears a gas mask with pins in his head or his helmet being nailed to his head.
Atkins as could be: The vietnam vet stuff, and now he's a huge, hulking figure that speaks only in war screams and creates visions of people's absolute worst, most traumatic moments to help "enlighten" them and carrying the gun not so he could kill others but so he could load them with a single bullet and offer it to his victims.
We have a Cenobite who was a veteran. Pinhead.
@@davidspring4003 No reason there can't be more. There's been a *lot* of wars.
True but pinhead does not really show the horrors of war. I feel like you could get something really chilling a scary designs from just ww1 alone.
Four months late, but the WW1 cenobite could also have a chemical warfare spin. World War 1 had some genuinely horrific stuff, weapons that did ungodly things to other humans.
It was interesting seeing all these reviews come through in order, mostly in how the tone is all over the place in terms of quality and connectivity. That’s not bad, but it does highlight just how the bad comics are spread out compared to something like ‘The Thing’. Thanks for the hard work Lewis
I can't help but feel that Clive Barker would be a great fit for writing a Cyberman episode of Doctor Who.
It would be an interesting thing to see Barker write something with a PG or 12 Certificate.
Lol indeed
Why are you still watching Halloween-themed videos? It's December.
Me: Because I work in retail. I'm surrounded by forced holiday cheer and shitty customers. So cram it and let me enjoy my year-long spooky season!
I even made a playlist of all his Halloween reviews haha
Must suck that the first review in this compilation is a Christmas one
The “Pinhead quotes by way of Atkins” gag gets me every time.
We will tear your soul apart....WITH BULLETS!
I think Atkins could work as a Cenobite in training an infant in their races eyes, with the character still transitioning away from his human life. The hell soldier is what he thinks hell is, but evolves into something far worse.
Marshall Law and Pinhead monologuing about soldiers being the greatest people and real life supermen who don't get glorified enough, where the guy who likes wearing an SS uniform sees the truth so scapegoats superheroes isn't just dumb and cringy. It raises a lot of red flags covered in swastikas that I'm hoping is out of sheer incompetence at doing parodies to the point of forgetting to include self-mockery.
Marshall Law at first had that level of self parody(not saying it was good, but it was aware that Law was a pretty bad dude himself) buuuut overtime the "all supers suck" thing took over.
*has already seen all the individual videos done on this series, sees Linkata upload a complete video of all episodes...gives immediate like and watches entire thing again*
The thing I still don't get about the Pinhead miniseries is why his past incarnations are just hanging out on Earth doing a bunch of bullshit. The Pinhead everyone knows spends most of his time in another dimension and only comes out when someone opens the box, so why are all of these other guys members of the human community? And can everyone see how fucked up they look or do they all see him as looking normal?
I feel like with the right person the superhero hunter thing could be an interesting look at how celebrities can get away with stuff normal people can’t because they’re celebrities. Unfortunately most comics go to too much of a cartoonish extreme
Chucky having to defend his sacrifice child from the cenobites after the child accidentally solves the lament configuration well trying to impress a college admissions official sounds like a great idea for a movie
I wasn't supposed to laugh so hard but hellraiser summer special is literally about a woman being saved from hell while getting her wig snatched clean off lmaooo. As a black woman, I don't know how I feel about snatching wigs even in a comic lol
This was a wonderful, special, delightfully weird series and I thank you for exposing us to it.
Have you considered the X-Files comics for a recurring Halloween review series?
How I'd personally envision Atkins to make him bearable:
1) No talking. Just a dead-eyed, thousand yard stare. And if he opens his mouth? It's just an ear-splitting scream of anguish.
2) Rather than the bullets everywhere? Bullet holes all over his body so he looks shot to hell that slowly ooze blood. Alternatively make him look affected by agent orange, cause ya know, Vietnam vet and all that.
3.) Rather than guns his method of killing/torturing is a hallucinatory or simulated form of waterboarding.
So basically a living ( I guess) version of PTSD? Yeah I can definitely get into that
Maybe even give him a different name matching the new design.
Sandboarding would be a brutal method of torture.
Corporal Punishment.@@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677
Sumerian Pinhead clearly had an unfortunate incident with a game of Pop-Up Pirate.
I really wish these reviews ended on a better note than that abomination of a crossover.
Oh god same. Although, maybe it for the best since this show is supposed to be about bad comics and holy crap that book is BAAAAD
The version of Sleeping Beauty that the Librarian mentions is seemingly based upon older versions of the tale in which, instead of a Prince, a King comes along & impregnates her while she's still asleep! So while it is padding, I wouldn't call it an edgier version as there is actually a version of the tale where Sleeping Beauty is essentially violated in her sleep & another example of how some fairy tales are truly messed up! However I kinda like its inclusion as it shows how some versions of the original fairy tales can be really dark & twisted (mind you, sleeping beauty can be problematic even when its just the handsome prince kissing her to free her from the spell, due to Sleeping Beauty's inability to consent to said kiss, though the Disney version ironically is less problematic as the Prince in that has a romantic relationship with her, before she is cursed) to the point its not surprising a Cenobite like the Librarian would tell it like that! Also, from what I was able to read, the Librarian seems to be telling FAN DANCER the story as a way to console her presumably by sharing the twisted & tragic tale of Sleeping Beauty!
"Bad guys, Fighting other bad guys. Expectine one to win because they are the face of the franchise"
Never had I found such a perfect description for Warhammer 40K.
I’m ashocked that Linkara didn’t have 2090’s Kid come in for a “Sewing Machine!” @1:38:55
Well, this was a late-night surprise. ^_^
You might even call it a "late Halloween surprise" which given the first Hellraiser review is the Dark Holiday Special feels thematically appropriate.
I feel like a dummy for only noticing on my 4th watch of the Hellraiser #1 that the title card is a Professor Layton parody 😅
This is great. I love Hellraiser, and had no idea there was comics.
I will never get the imagine of our favorite Hell Priest in a speedo out of my head.
*knocks over all the cups full of pencils
Whatcha gonna do now, hell?
Wow these are great! Not very often I will come back to something and watch over 3 hours! Disregard my previous comment since it made no sense and made even less sense when I tried to figure out a way for it to make sense.
old wives tales, that woman having fat gramma's voice seems so fitting as I can see that fat gramma teaching linkara that monster program kids to believe weird shit.
My question is just ... Is Fat Gramma Canon? Cross overs can be canon or not canon, I know that Lewis isn't a stickler on the canon so I am just curious.
I would love to see Fat gramma at some point dealing with some interdimension cosmic horror or killer Linkara clone.
Lol, maybe Linksano made Fat gramma by accident, messing with to dna editor and spilling coffee on the keyboard or something.
What does she do while Linkara is battling monster... who would win between fat gramma and Moarte? Does Fat Gramma man a station in Comacon One, I could see her the ships cook? Does Fat Gramma live in a parallel universe like Linkara's moustached doppelganger?
You'd think with the idea of Pinhead crossing over with other comic characters the most obvious one would be Spawn or Hellboy
And so we come to the first horror franchise to be reviewed for A-Shock the Fourth Wall. Even with the name change, crazy Halloween incidents happen - terrible secrets straight out of Identity Crisis, old enemies returning (including a certain mirror universe variant playing the role of both the Jackal and Norman Osborn), mysterious hooded figures linked to reality shifts, and a Hellraiser-type scenario engineered by Bandit Chief during the dragged-on-too-long Contest of Champions.
It’s been fun looking at Epic Comics Hellraiser line, seeing if these stories still hold up today. (Except for Pinhead vs Marshall Law - we all know this crossover blows.) I do hope one day you’ll get to do the other Hellraiser comics, both from Epic Comics and other publishers.
PS: regarding superhero deconstruction, have you ever considered looking at Mark Waid’s Irredeemable and Incorruptible?
Final a vid of comics i have but not alot of others do glad to see i wasn't only one to have them lol 😎🤟🙏
While I get Atkins is a poor excuse for a Cenobite, I like to think of him as more of a parody of 90s MY Superpower is I HAVE A GUN types & more or less the comic relief! Still, they should have brought back Gehenna & Faces.
“Here’s Superman tortured by cenobite-versions of his enemies.”
Clearly one of them is Jimmy Olsen, the most evil of all of Supe’s rogues!
Edit: Oh and Lois Lane.
This show's run quite the gauntlet hannit? From psychological horror in Silent Hill to the exerstential dread of The Thing to dark comedy with Nightmare on Elm Street to body horror here and then nightmare fuel with The Ring.
3:21:54 Ok, can someone point out what rogues are there? Only one I can tell who it is is Brainiac because of the lines on their head.
I found it funny that @1:53:28 never mentions that it's written by the Wachowski from the matrix fims😂
I see the theoretical need and idea of Atkins as a warrior Cenobite, and Pinhead could even take him under his wing since Pinhead is not only the leader, but was a similarly mentally scarred veteran in his past life. While not being able to fully connect since not only did Atkins get converted while on duty, their use of Atkins as a warrior kind of precludes letting him grow or find peace.
Edit: and there is much more to be done with militant body horror. Especially if we bring the nastiness of the Vietnam War to the forefront. Claymore directional mines emerging form his chest, Bouncing Betties launching from his shoulders and hips, a tripwire spool on his ankles, punji sticks coming out here and there, pustules of agent orange and napalm, flare and smock dischargers along his spine...
It's a very Hellraiser Hannukah!
I swear, Bundt in that spelling is 2 letters away from being a Bleach race XD
Ah hellraiser such a interesting franchise
Honestly, Linkara saying most of the Hellraiser comics are good and don't belong on the show kinda makes me want to see him do a retrospective of them instead like he did for The Sandman.
Wait, wait, Atkins accidentally solved a puzzle? Didn't Pinhead imply in HR2 that you couldn't accidentally solve the puzzle? Like, you have to be trying to solve it.
"It's not hands, but hearts that summon us." Ergo, if in your heart you aren't intending to summon them, it shouldn't work.
Different cenobites, different puzzles, different rules, I'd imagine.
@@AT4W I guess I can't argue that.
It's just that was one thing I liked about HR2. A doctor tries to have a bunch of kids solve the puzzle box to keep himself out of trouble, but as soon as the cenobites arrive, Pinhead ignored them, because he knew who it was who wanted the box solved. Intent matters to them more than the specific action.
Am I the only one who just realized the version of Red Riding Hood told In the third issue of the Pinhead mini series is the same version of the story FG told in issue #14 (Collectors) of The Sandman? I never noticed before but seeing this after rereading The Sandman made it hit like a truck
I noticed the same thing. It's actually from some of the older versions of the story, before they were sanitised, with the wolf telling Red to strip and her unknowingly eating her own grandmother. RRH has always been an allegory about being led off the path of righteousness and obedience into sin, so it's a good fit for Hellraiser.
Im just gunna lay my cards on the table here and say terry ferral in light bondage was sort of worth hellraiser 3
"So like Hellraiser, it'll probably still involve BDSM themes"
Next review starts with Linkara tied up.
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Is one of the musical cenobites flat-out the piano from Super Mario 64?
Kolchak The Night Stalker comics! OMG, I almost forgot!
Why does the Tandy cennobite connection make sense
17:31 They were well aware of Capitalism. Who do you think runs EA?
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If Cenobites are committed to maintaining order between the world of the living and dead,
are they an evil version of the Soul Society from Bleach?
Then again, the Soul Society was already pretty evil. By the end of the first season, we learned that they had committed at least two acts of genocide. For the sake of order of course.
How are you able to do the same voice for the cut aways???
What do you mean exactly?
@Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Sorry it was a bad joke to the side comments you were making spoken as the character in the beginning. I never imagined you'd reply.
What is with DS9 actors and Hellraiser
too bad no covers, one cover was done by Mike Mignola BEFORE he did Hellboy.
Damn, now I want to see a Hellraiser and Hellboy crossover
@@ssj4jason737 lol, Hellboy would be fun, gets caught by chains and says "sonofa..."
But Mignola did a Nightbreed cover around the time film was released, Clive Barker is a good friend to creators, will write stuff for them and it could range from fun. There was a comic adaptation to his book Thief of Always, that's actually a good book for young adults.
I still think like Clive Barker's movies are like a painting, the whole screaming, wind machine, strobe lights, are very much like a paintings that's got violent brush work.
Would have to totally agree that I reject superhero deconstructions, it’s why I have no interest in watching the Boys no matter how much shit anyone who replies to this comment will give me for it
42:55 one of the background characters looks like Robert smith!
Yaay! I've got a drawing to finish
Pinhead vs Shinzon leather contest
I'm kinda debating about reading Boom's run on Hellraiser because I'm intrigued by Pinhead & Kirsty switching places. Is it still worth the read, anyone who has read it?
I have to admit, it's probably due to being from the '90s myself, but Atkins is kind of a guilty pleasure for me just for how outlandishly stupid he is. Sure, it breaks the mood and the mythos of the franchise, but i always get at least a chuckle out of his dialogues (is this how a Michael Bay fan feels? lol).
Also, regarding the Marshal Law crossover: i get the feeling Kevin O' Neill's art style is trying to be like Mike Mignola but not getting there, thinking that just making everything angular, over-the-top and using Frank Miller-esque contrast is all it takes. I know nothing anything about Law's original run, so i don't know if it's consistent with that.
-Teo
Sooo... Martial law is just a crappy, budget Stain from MHA? Without, ironically, the more positive aspects? Well, that was pointless
Not gonna lie, I winced a little at “zaip topec”
The main takeaway I'm getting from the rest of the comments is that Atkins was a MASSIVE waste of a character...
no lie love 90s to maX eXtreme
I don't think the "angels for others" mean they're neutral.
Is the Boiler Room the wrong side of heaven and the righteous side of hell? Vietnam? Oh no that 90’s Cenobite scraps is back!
Canons of Pain? DC Rewrites!
Inverted crosses need context. Naturally yes they are fine, if done mixed with evil presence it’s evil. Kinda weird
The Beegees line!!!
Hear me out
Hellraiser/Star Trek: The Fatal Frontier
In Stanley Kubrick's
The Shinning a movie mistake was not called out by any horror fans it's a scene when Danny Torrance tell Wendy her son can't wake up that he's gone away .
this tells fans that Tony is now possessing Danny's own body some time later he referes to her as mom giving this confusion as to whether Danny actually went away or not .
mistakes were made however The Shinning is still a classic favorite many will still enjoy to this very day .
at the end of Freddy vs Jason a scene ending would have been this appearance by Pinhead asking both Kruger this .
" gentlemen what seems to be the problem . "
also Freedy Kruger would have made an appearance as a bounty hunter in the sequel movie Critters 2 .
would have been funny to hear Kruger say this .
" kill more Crites and keep your shirt on asshole ! "
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Man, I loved the Hellraiser movie that was in outer space. Even loved the end reveal that the space station was a giant mirror thing meant to reflect infinite light to destroy the box and the cenobites. I thought it was awesome and fairly clever if a bit too flashback heavy. Nice to see someone else liked it, as I usually feel very, very alone for saying I liked it.
That last comic looks like a really crappy samurai jack comic
*starts watching Compilation, sees Ashock the Fourth Wall opening and snorts and snickers when Linkara says "It's CHRISTMAS TIME!"*
Good lord that title card music of “All I want for Christmas is you” is now stuck in my brain!
What can I say except... "You're Welcome!" 😏
I still surprised hellraiser hasn't crossed over with hellblazer aka John Constantine.
I'm shocked it hasn't, as far as I'm aware, crossed over with Nightmare on Elm Street. They feel like a good fit.
@@mikegates8993 that actually would be tons of fun.
I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Hellraiser and Spawn crossover, it'd be so awesome
@@ssj4jason737 i agree a spawn crossover with hellraiser would be tons of fun
I dunno why, but the Ashock The Fourth Wall theme followed by “IT’S CHRISTMAS TIME!” Is pretty hilarious to me.
I know it’s because the first Hellraiser review was a December episode, but it’s still a funny thing to come across.
Having a nice late night dealing with Insomnia and the Like so i'm playing some Hardcore Minecraft and listening to Linkara talk about the Comic version of some of my favorite sadomasochistic pleasure pals. Thanks for showing such sighs, Mate. Have an amazing night!
Huh. Was not expecting the "All I Want for Christmas" cover to be used here. I was expecting the Carol of the Bells.
Still, can't wait to see how many people get infected by an earworm listening to that!
It's so weird hearing all of these Cenobites being referred to by gimmicky WWE-sounding names.
Like, I always just assumed stuff like "Pinhead" and "Chatterer" were just fan nicknames or production names for the costumes and not their *actual name.*
I don't know about you, but sitting in a cubicle listening to someone complain about having a case of the Mondays is my definition of hell. So seeing a cynobite there probably would not be that unusual.
"Hey Chatterer, how was your weekend?"
Ah what great way to "tear" into December thank you Linkara
Last time I was this early to a video, Lord Vice was still unheard of.
We have such sights to show you
I'll be completely honest, I like Atkins here. Maybe a bit ironically, but he's fun and I like his concept.
The concept is great. Militarized body horror war vet pointed at chaos while being the youngest of these cenobites lets him offer a more human perspective.
A wasted opportunity.
Also, don't Evil Dead, Child's Play, and Re-Animator ALL have comic series? Maybe something there?
Holy hell, atkins just does not work in this one bit. Did Rob Liefeld execute a guerrilla editing campaign on this thing?!?
And quite frankly, a war-themed cenobite really should work. There’s plenty of potential for uncanny and horrifying imagery there, more than almost any other subject. And they just completely ballsed it somehow.
atkins is really funny
its too late to watch but i will like it and see this in the morning
Hellraiser iii aka Doom ii has one of my favourite bad likes of all time "demon's aren't real" ruclips.net/video/tedUzOiRK7s/видео.html
1:53:33 So, I guess Razing Hell was written by pre-Matrix Lana Wachowski and that is amazing beyond words
I’m shocked he never mentioned that.
@@kitdraken It's a pretty easy thing to miss. I had to watch these a few times to even catch it and I imagine he just missed it. Happens
Expecting us to root for bad guys fighting other bad guys is also my problem with Star Trek comics set in the mirror universe. Like, at least center the story around the Terran Rebellion
Excited to see when we get a Hellraiser movie where the lament configuration is just a Roblox captcha
as someone who is totally blind, this was immensely enjoyable. Thank you
If you REALLY want to torture people, have them work customer service and CONSTANTLY deal with karens
Unpopular opinion-
I really like Hellraiser 8. NOT as a hellraiser, but as a riff on the Teen Slasher with a Hellraiser coat of paint.
All hell breaks loose in this complication.
Essas ediçoes são fantasticas, infelizmente aqui no brasil só sairam os primeiros volumes. devido a grande inflaçao no pais na decada de 90 a editora abandonou a obra. queria muito ter ela completa.
These were painfully bad. Like the worst of of all hellraiser comics
CD Head looks like a Jojo Stand