What I love about Clive is the passion the devs had about creating his character on both the Tekken and FF16 teams. The idea that both Jin and Clive are breaking free from their fate and creating their own path is so inspirational. As someone who's 24 and who missed out on college due to covid, this really hit me and got me inspired to not just play the games, but to improve my own situation.
Hello there fellow gamers. Konami actualy had 2 fighting games on the PS1 The first was a Japan release only called Lightning Legend: Daigo no Daibouken and another called Kensei Sacred Fist. The later one was kinda of a Tekken clone, even though it was a punch, kick, grab and not a block button, but a dodge button. It looked pretty cool at the time. There were so many experimentation on both 2d and 3d fighting games in that era, but many fell into obscurity unfortunately. Great podcast you three. Keep on keeping on. Cheers everyone and happy gaming
They were so hyped they didnt have a thumbnail for the video 😂 Edit: Also, i dont think Axel would fit in VF because he has flame moves. Feel like he would fit better in Tekken or Street Fighter
23:07 I actually feel like this is less for a single player mode and moreso how the actual game will be like. Ultima said this on Twitter, but I feel he described this the best in that the new VF so far has the vibes of classic action movies. And I feel with the combination of how the trailer was, Akira's design, the aesthetic of the whole game, and the stage being *organic* instead of being like older VF games where it's some random arena with simple map shapes, that may actually be what they're going for
There's a timeline somewhere out there where Tekken and Soulcalibur consolidated into the same team and we just got each game on the others off years, ala Mortal Kombat and Injustice.
When FF16 came out I played it and I really enjoyed the experience. Then I went online and the FF fandom absolutely trashed the game lol. Negativity spreads really easily, and eventually I found myself questioning whether I actually liked the game. So you combine that with the shattered expectations for Tifa and you end up with an overall negative sentiment for this character. I think it will eventually be like Noctis where eventually people will just get used to him being in the game.
The thing you gotta deal with when it comes to a fandom is that if a game is not a 9-10/10 game, fans of anything will treat it as worthless trash. Whenever there's nuance in feelings about a game, people just resort to calling it "Mid" and leave it at that. I've grown to hate that reductive method of reviewing how you felt about something. FF16 is a game of many highs and lows. My feelings on it are complicated, but I can also tell how hard it is to make a game of that scale. If you intentionally look for things to like about it, you will find a good amount.
I’m not exactly by any means a Final fantasy “fanatic” but as someone with approximate knowledge of most games and games discourse, it does disappoint me how so much of the FF fanbase being so rigidly fixated on FF7 and treat everything else with some level of either contempt or just aggressive indifference, even for the more next up popular stuff like FF10 or the MMO.
To me, FF16 is a weird in between game of RPG and Character Action game, which struggles on doing the two things at the same time. It was when the pc version came out and somebody did mod the game to remove all the cooldowns of the moves that I was getting pretty excited about the game, because at that moment I saw hopes for a not DMC/Bayo by Sqenix. So I can see why ppl of both camps weren't happy about FF16 overall.
Hopefully Virtua Fighters 6's success lights a fire under Tecmo to greenlight a DOA7, too. The 3D fighting scene has been largely dormant for a while now and Tekken can only be the lone representative for so long. Plus, Tecmo need their redemption game after the hot mess that was DOA6.
Incorrect - Max. There is VF5 ver A, VF5 ver B. (also came out on the PS3) , VF5 ver C. (also came out on the Xbox 360), VF5 ver D (Pirates themes, mega bingo events, weapons costume poses and more), VF5 R , VF 5 Final Showdown, VF 5 Ultimate Showdown/Esports (also available on PS4), and now VF 5 REVO/Esports Ver 2.0. That's a total of 8 difference versions of Virtua Fighter 5, which is quite insane. The very BEST version of VF5 is VF5R. VF5 REVO/Esports is 2nd to VF5R.
earlier this year, a trademark was filed for a new Eternal Champions game and there have been talks of a film adaptation, too. If any of these things actually happen, we'll just have to wait and see...
Didn't the devs say the new VF is a "soft reboot"? So Stella probably really just is Sarah renamed. And Akira probably isn't really older but just different.
I think you guys should get Mark MSX / The Electric Underground on the show to review the new Virtua Fighter game when it comes out. Guy knows his stuff and is very entertaining.
Cracking up cause we're definitely gonna get a timeskip Jacky cause one of his customization designs in VF4 Final Tuned has him with a scruffy look with long hair.
9:06 Max s absolutely roght about FF15. The OG came out as a broken, bland mess so it was panned something terrible by fans. Never got to play Royal but, based on what Max said, it must have done some Cyberpunk levels of revamp.
Yeah, I can tell you as someone that has played FFXV both at launch and with the Royal Edition, the revamp did the game SO many favors. It expanded the quality and quantity of sidequests and minigames, it fixed most of the issues with the battle camera, it included the extra DLC chapters so you'd get the full story (which in turn made the story feel way more impactful and complete), and you actually got to switch party members in combat. There is literally no reason to play any version of FFXV other than Royal Edition unless for historical reasons or you're just a masochist.
I played FFXV on release and i think i quit around half of it because it was just bad and didn’t enjoy any of it until that point either. Then i bought the royal edition because i wanted to give it a second chance and i barely could stop playing it. It’s that much better, not even comparable to the mess that was released first
I never played FF XV Royal, i bought it on release night and it’s my favorite Final Fantasy game ever. I had been waiting for it since it was FF Versus 13
A big problem also that FF15 had at launch people dont often mention is that they left a lot of character backstory and exposition in the Kingsglaive movie and the short anime tie-in that nobody watched. I enjoyed the vanilla version for what it was, it was fun gameplay wise and I enjoyed the party banter in and out of combat. Your mileage will vary heavily depending how into it you are, though I've yet to play the Royal edition that's sitting in my steam library, I do wish they were able to finish those cancelled dlc episodes.
Jacky’s new appearance in Virtua Fighter 6 is something you wouldn’t really expect. His hair’s still relatively lengthy but it’s combed down. He has a connected beard and mustache that’s not too long. Lastly, his eyesight has gotten worse since the last time we’ve saw him so he now wears glasses.
my take as fgc-tourist: heh they put the heavy particle vfx character (clive) into the heavy particle vfx fighting game (tekken 8), the inclusion of the eikons is over the top. iirc T8 does benchmark your system (at first startup to set initial settings) but it only gives you a number with no reference on what it means, so that leaves the player with an FPS overlay and maybe a replay with two Clives fighting each other as a DIY benchmark.
The best hope for Bloody Roar is that VF does extremely well, causing Konami to think they have to get in on that 3d fighting game money, and look up their inventory to see what series they have that they could use for that.
The people who are saying ff15 was well received didnt see its launch, alot of people were disappointed i feel like people only really came around after the royal edition with all the dlc and the character switching was implemented.
In regards to VF, I think due to RGG Studios making the game why cant Kiryu be a pleasant day 1 surprise? I hope that Sega goes all out with utilizing their ips in customization and elsewhere. I would love to fight against someone while listening to Dreamer by Yuzo Koshiro in VF. How about Genghis Bahn, Axel Stone or Shiva, and Mr. Dynamite? Heck I think it would be hilarious to put Tifa in VF after the Tekken debacle. Just have her break up a fight in her bar and there you go. While at it I think a Tekken character is likely and why not a DOA character? Really hoping that VF will be given a fair chance if Sega delivers, and that it can spark a 3d fighter renaissance.
48:55 want to note that the devs themselves said the game was ready for a while. but they delayed it a year or so (we got luke in SFV within that time frame) to fine tune it more. so i dont think its fair to compare models of new characters in these season to on-release ones. they had time to cook. and considering they need to get a lot of this stuff done within a time frame, the devs making the scenes we are seeing probably where given a model that was "good enough". so they have something to work with. stuff is def getting slightly changed/adjusted between that and release.
I think she will get like a Vega unique stage mechanic like jumping off the pole like in the early Fatal Fury games and a ton of moves unique to her like Max said
Anyone who says VF has a story buried somewhere should watch the Anime series and/or play VF Animation on Game Gear (which is based on the Anime). This little Handheld game has an effin' story mode.
That reminds me of Cameron Phillips, from the T2 spin-off The Sarah Conor Chronicles. An infiltration terminator that gains sentience and helps defend John and Sarah.
Though I understand that Noctis sold well and helped to invigorate Tekken 7, it doesn't negate the argument that he and Clive aren't the best fit for the franchise. And come on, if the argument is based on the character's/game's popularity or amount of money they would make, I have to imagine that Tifa would definitely do WAY better than Clive.
Yeah that never made much sense to me. Obviously Tifa would sell better if its about sales. They wanted to promote FF16 better so they made this deal in 2022. That makes sense but when it comes to talking about sales idk if we can compare the impact of the first FF character being in tekken to Clive lol. Entirely different eras in what we came to expect from guest characters.
Was only made a fan recently when ultimate showdown dropped as someone too young to have played any of the older titles but I'm hype. Akira looks sick and very curious about Stella's whole deal.
At least Noctis fit aesthetically since he was from a game with a modern setting. Clive's fantasy outfit looks way more out of place. But his stage is cool enough that I'll forgive it.
I am really excited for the potential of the PC port for VF with a hopeful Nvidia partnership there, and where that might go in the competitive space. Give us optimized PC versions of FGs! And do the GBVSR F2P option too!
I had the same issue as Max with the VF5 beta. The game would constantly match me with people that couldn't run the game at a stable 60fps and it completely destroys the netcode. I really hope they implement a performance test/benchmark before letting you play ranked in the final product. Also with the connection setting on "Good" it would match me with people with like 200ms ping, which doesn't count as "Good" to me
The revisionist history on Noctis is wild. Many dedicated Tekken players hated Noctis for the entire cycle of Tekken 7 and it wasn't just shit like "He should have been in SC!" or "he should be Tifa!". Tekken players generally HATED his gameplay. Most people who enjoyed him back then just seemed to want to use a cheap character with "rule breaking" moves or weren't really that into Tekken and liked how easy he was to pick up from that perspective.
But thats the thing since it happened in 7 dont freak out when it happens in 8 its obvious having a FF guest character is their plan in tekken and its not going to destroy tekken.
It's not revisionist, that was people whining about his shit being good because they lost to him. He was mid asf and it was only in the final season where he was an alright character. It just exposed people to being whiff punished or refusing to learn his weaknesses. "Tekken players" hated every guest character if we want to be real here, Noctis was the highest selling character for a reason and it's not because everyone hated him.
34:50 Max is wrong in that statement, i've seen many VF fans saying that they don't want a new game to change in any way, some straight up saying that they just want it to be VF5 again. Is very disappointing to see them think that way.
ill always want Kiryu in Tekken but if the only option was for sega to not want to allow someone else to use Kiryu except themselves im still okay with that. VF5 has awesome grabs based on proximity of the environment and that just screams Kiryu Heat moves.
Tekken 8 having a Heat mechanic and NOT having ANY Yakuza/LAD rep when RGG games have had a Heat mechanic for 20 years is such a HUGE missed opportunity Glad we’ll highly likely get a VF rep in the next season or two, but it’s disappointing knowing that means definitely no Yakuza guest dlc because NO CHANCE they’d give any company the guest slots for TWO different seasons/years Hurts even further when Harada acknowledged that Kiryu/Yakuza was the most popular demanded DLC/guest during Tekken 7
my voice gave out when the VF logo splashed on screen I screamed so hard. It's awesome how phenomenal the game looks already and I'm SO glad they actually had the balls to slightly age up and change the design of their characters.
I agree with Max that Stella is dural. Actually I don't think of her as dural, but of Sarahs Mother. I also think VF6 is in the past. Before Sarahs Mother was dural.
Sarah's daughter, to me, just sounds wild, especially dressing as how her mother dressed being under J6 control 😅 I still believe it could be just a reboot of the series and that "Stella" is supposedly Sarah but brainwashed or maybe she's a clone?
Idk if he would fit there with his clone jutusu move, also he is very stabby with his demonfire dagger, they would have to choose either thug or breaker style for him, don't see them giving him slugger style or mad dog style.
I''d be curious to see how that could turn out. Goh isn't a real big striker and doesn't have a ton of strings. Goh definitely has the tekken look, and is a assassin for J6..
I like these characters but this would never happen, such a terrible idea LMAO the average person will see those two next to these legacy franchises and just go WHO??? it has to and will be a character that is box art worthy
Don't think konami has made a bloody roar pachinko so i think matts right bout them forgetting. hopefully sega and capcom inspires other jp game companies to revive old ip
I remember people liking FF15 and seeing so many positives tweets, screenshots and gameplay about it back then to the point I almost brought it and I'm not a FF fan at all. Seems it's become thought of more negatively since though. Whereas 16 I honestly had no idea that came out, maybe it's mixed in my brain with the 7 remake/remaster stuff?
Yeah Max was a bit off with that FF15 take… is 15 not liked as much in the time that has passed? Obviously. But was it as hated upon release? I wouldn’t say so. Disappointing yeah but hated? Ehh
Max I love you but by your logic Tekken 8 is the same as 7. A old game with a minor update. Both Rising and Tekken 8 made drastic changes to make both play and feel different. I would get it if Rising was just a balance patch. But they added new battle mechanics which made the game drastically different to play, rollback, a lot more online interactivity, a fall guys mode, etc. Same with Tekken 8. Minus the fall guys mode. Rising has done more than enough to be considered a new game.
_Eternal Champions_ was made by Sega USA. _No way_ will any character from that series appear in VF. Sega of Japan already killed EC once, no way will they acknowledge it in their flagship fighter. _Yakuza_ , _Fighting Vipers_ , _Last Bronx_ , _Fighter's Megamix_ , _Streets of Rage_ , _Shemue_ . Yeah, characters from all of those are fair game. But EC is a hard no.
I'd like to see (Lan Di from shenmue)come back as the personal body guard to assist with ( Lei fei), and be the successor to lau chan, and his Koen-ken style before he dies from his illness.. Lau still fights in the tournament but he's pushed up in wheel chair pre fight by Lan Di only to take some temporary Medication to allow him to fight full strength. Sega gotta use some of these shenmue, and yakuza charscters thats for sure!
I want Hugo from bloody roar in Tekken 8 I think the beast gauge works perfect for Bloody Roar and a lot of Hugo’s moves are already Mishima coded if you really look at his moves.
I don't care if the guest chaacter is pacman, clive or fuckin liam neeson. I don't care if it's obi wan kenobi, I don't care if its Kim jon un, I don't care if its logan paul, I don't care if its master chief, I don't care if its jesus christ, I don't care if its Legacy of Kain, O don't care if its Brock lesnar, I don't care if its harry potter. I just want the fucking character to be fun. SOME FUCKING FUN. tekken 8 did good so far. Clive looks like fun, lets do it, I'm on board
Virtua Fighter is my favorite fighting game series so I'm over the moon about the possibilities for the new game. I love the look and feel of the aesthetic (what little we've seen) and loved the (very) brief gameplay snippet. The one thing I really, REALLY hope they don't implement is any sort of meter or super move mechanic. Aside from the fact that VF prides itself on a certain degree of realism, supers would completely change the nature of the gameplay loop, which would be a terrible idea. I can't wait to see more.
I actually completely disagree I would love to see a Bloody Roar reboot that’s more of a traditional style 2.5D game with an exciting combo system based around switching in and out of your Beasterizer form
Akira's new look is basically one of Donny Yen's films, looks cool AF.
Maybe Ip man, and that's it, most of his movies he dresses nothing like that at all.
What I love about Clive is the passion the devs had about creating his character on both the Tekken and FF16 teams. The idea that both Jin and Clive are breaking free from their fate and creating their own path is so inspirational. As someone who's 24 and who missed out on college due to covid, this really hit me and got me inspired to not just play the games, but to improve my own situation.
Best of luck to you as you create your path!
😂😂😂 bruh you don't even sound like a correct fanboy 🤦🏿♂️
Hello there fellow gamers. Konami actualy had 2 fighting games on the PS1 The first was a Japan release only called Lightning Legend: Daigo no Daibouken and another called Kensei Sacred Fist. The later one was kinda of a Tekken clone, even though it was a punch, kick, grab and not a block button, but a dodge button. It looked pretty cool at the time. There were so many experimentation on both 2d and 3d fighting games in that era, but many fell into obscurity unfortunately.
Great podcast you three. Keep on keeping on. Cheers everyone and happy gaming
Akira is dressed as the grandmaster in the 2013 IP Man kung fu film
Hey, nice catch!
They were so hyped they didnt have a thumbnail for the video 😂
Edit: Also, i dont think Axel would fit in VF because he has flame moves. Feel like he would fit better in Tekken or Street Fighter
It confused me 😂
Well, youre too quick,, fixed now
@@ssauc I'm too quick or what? I said this at the moment the video dropped
Of course you adapt Axel so he can fit VF universe xD
Very excited for all the Virtua Fighter possibilities
Stella's title is actually "Bridge Between the Worlds" or something like that, but the Dural thing still fits
23:07 I actually feel like this is less for a single player mode and moreso how the actual game will be like. Ultima said this on Twitter, but I feel he described this the best in that the new VF so far has the vibes of classic action movies. And I feel with the combination of how the trailer was, Akira's design, the aesthetic of the whole game, and the stage being *organic* instead of being like older VF games where it's some random arena with simple map shapes, that may actually be what they're going for
Vf, i really hope it takes the crown for best fighting game again.
thank you for the Shoutout max
Theory for Stella: Sarah Bryant is a unique character and Stella is the brainwashed version of her.
We know damn well when Mai released SF on steam will hit above 50k players
There's a timeline somewhere out there where Tekken and Soulcalibur consolidated into the same team and we just got each game on the others off years, ala Mortal Kombat and Injustice.
VF has already got a comeback mechanic it's called ring outs it doesn't need rage arts or power gauges just maybe a block gauge
Love the new Akira design, reminds me a lot of Ip Man from The Grandmaster
When FF16 came out I played it and I really enjoyed the experience. Then I went online and the FF fandom absolutely trashed the game lol. Negativity spreads really easily, and eventually I found myself questioning whether I actually liked the game. So you combine that with the shattered expectations for Tifa and you end up with an overall negative sentiment for this character. I think it will eventually be like Noctis where eventually people will just get used to him being in the game.
The thing you gotta deal with when it comes to a fandom is that if a game is not a 9-10/10 game, fans of anything will treat it as worthless trash. Whenever there's nuance in feelings about a game, people just resort to calling it "Mid" and leave it at that. I've grown to hate that reductive method of reviewing how you felt about something.
FF16 is a game of many highs and lows. My feelings on it are complicated, but I can also tell how hard it is to make a game of that scale. If you intentionally look for things to like about it, you will find a good amount.
I’m not exactly by any means a Final fantasy “fanatic” but as someone with approximate knowledge of most games and games discourse, it does disappoint me how so much of the FF fanbase being so rigidly fixated on FF7 and treat everything else with some level of either contempt or just aggressive indifference, even for the more next up popular stuff like FF10 or the MMO.
To me, FF16 is a weird in between game of RPG and Character Action game, which struggles on doing the two things at the same time. It was when the pc version came out and somebody did mod the game to remove all the cooldowns of the moves that I was getting pretty excited about the game, because at that moment I saw hopes for a not DMC/Bayo by Sqenix. So I can see why ppl of both camps weren't happy about FF16 overall.
@@vinnythewebsurferThere's Final Fantasy fans, and then there's Final Fantasy VII fans.
Soulcalibur is more popular for casuals and didn't did that well, the key for vf to success is the single player mode by the Yakuza dev
Tekken 8 literally is one of the best fighting games I’ve played…yet gets more hate from it’s community really is crazy to say the least
Hopefully Virtua Fighters 6's success lights a fire under Tecmo to greenlight a DOA7, too. The 3D fighting scene has been largely dormant for a while now and Tekken can only be the lone representative for so long. Plus, Tecmo need their redemption game after the hot mess that was DOA6.
Conan roasted FFXV on Clueless Gamer. The devs were in the next room.
Incorrect - Max. There is VF5 ver A, VF5 ver B. (also came out on the PS3) , VF5 ver C. (also came out on the Xbox 360), VF5 ver D (Pirates themes, mega bingo events, weapons costume poses and more), VF5 R , VF 5 Final Showdown, VF 5 Ultimate Showdown/Esports (also available on PS4), and now VF 5 REVO/Esports Ver 2.0. That's a total of 8 difference versions of Virtua Fighter 5, which is quite insane. The very BEST version of VF5 is VF5R. VF5 REVO/Esports is 2nd to VF5R.
Shout out to VFnumbers
I really wish that Eternal Champions would return as well.
That has been years in the making if it ever returned. Been so long since the last game.
Is there any character that comes from the "modern" era in that game (aka not a time traveler).
Maybe such a character can be a guest?
earlier this year, a trademark was filed for a new Eternal Champions game
and there have been talks of a film adaptation, too.
If any of these things actually happen, we'll just have to wait and see...
Didn't the devs say the new VF is a "soft reboot"? So Stella probably really just is Sarah renamed. And Akira probably isn't really older but just different.
I think you guys should get Mark MSX / The Electric Underground on the show to review the new Virtua Fighter game when it comes out. Guy knows his stuff and is very entertaining.
Cracking up cause we're definitely gonna get a timeskip Jacky cause one of his customization designs in VF4 Final Tuned has him with a scruffy look with long hair.
If it happens, I'll be ready to yell "Welcome back, Tekken 4 Paul"
9:06 Max s absolutely roght about FF15. The OG came out as a broken, bland mess so it was panned something terrible by fans. Never got to play Royal but, based on what Max said, it must have done some Cyberpunk levels of revamp.
Yeah, I can tell you as someone that has played FFXV both at launch and with the Royal Edition, the revamp did the game SO many favors. It expanded the quality and quantity of sidequests and minigames, it fixed most of the issues with the battle camera, it included the extra DLC chapters so you'd get the full story (which in turn made the story feel way more impactful and complete), and you actually got to switch party members in combat. There is literally no reason to play any version of FFXV other than Royal Edition unless for historical reasons or you're just a masochist.
I played FFXV on release and i think i quit around half of it because it was just bad and didn’t enjoy any of it until that point either. Then i bought the royal edition because i wanted to give it a second chance and i barely could stop playing it. It’s that much better, not even comparable to the mess that was released first
I never played FF XV Royal, i bought it on release night and it’s my favorite Final Fantasy game ever. I had been waiting for it since it was FF Versus 13
A big problem also that FF15 had at launch people dont often mention is that they left a lot of character backstory and exposition in the Kingsglaive movie and the short anime tie-in that nobody watched.
I enjoyed the vanilla version for what it was, it was fun gameplay wise and I enjoyed the party banter in and out of combat. Your mileage will vary heavily depending how into it you are, though I've yet to play the Royal edition that's sitting in my steam library, I do wish they were able to finish those cancelled dlc episodes.
Jacky’s new appearance in Virtua Fighter 6 is something you wouldn’t really expect. His hair’s still relatively lengthy but it’s combed down. He has a connected beard and mustache that’s not too long. Lastly, his eyesight has gotten worse since the last time we’ve saw him so he now wears glasses.
I see what you did there 😂
"If they were not cowards they would throw in eternal champions" might be my favorite quote of all time😂
Hinako is the sumo girl
my take as fgc-tourist: heh they put the heavy particle vfx character (clive) into the heavy particle vfx fighting game (tekken 8), the inclusion of the eikons is over the top.
iirc T8 does benchmark your system (at first startup to set initial settings) but it only gives you a number with no reference on what it means, so that leaves the player with an FPS overlay and maybe a replay with two Clives fighting each other as a DIY benchmark.
The triplest of the K.O.est
For me, the ultimate realistic clash of martial arts is "Savaki" on the Sega Saturn
The best hope for Bloody Roar is that VF does extremely well, causing Konami to think they have to get in on that 3d fighting game money, and look up their inventory to see what series they have that they could use for that.
Virtua Fighter: Mark of the Wolves
The people who are saying ff15 was well received didnt see its launch, alot of people were disappointed i feel like people only really came around after the royal edition with all the dlc and the character switching was implemented.
In regards to VF, I think due to RGG Studios making the game why cant Kiryu be a pleasant day 1 surprise?
I hope that Sega goes all out with utilizing their ips in customization and elsewhere. I would love to fight against someone while listening to Dreamer by Yuzo Koshiro in VF.
How about Genghis Bahn, Axel Stone or Shiva, and Mr. Dynamite?
Heck I think it would be hilarious to put Tifa in VF after the Tekken debacle. Just have her break up a fight in her bar and there you go. While at it I think a Tekken character is likely and why not a DOA character?
Really hoping that VF will be given a fair chance if Sega delivers, and that it can spark a 3d fighter renaissance.
48:55 want to note that the devs themselves said the game was ready for a while. but they delayed it a year or so (we got luke in SFV within that time frame) to fine tune it more. so i dont think its fair to compare models of new characters in these season to on-release ones. they had time to cook.
and considering they need to get a lot of this stuff done within a time frame, the devs making the scenes we are seeing probably where given a model that was "good enough". so they have something to work with. stuff is def getting slightly changed/adjusted between that and release.
Who else here before they patched in the thumbnail?
I think she will get like a Vega unique stage mechanic like jumping off the pole like in the early Fatal Fury games and a ton of moves unique to her like Max said
Anyone who says VF has a story buried somewhere should watch the Anime series and/or play VF Animation on Game Gear (which is based on the Anime). This little Handheld game has an effin' story mode.
And the countless amount of manga. That were released.
Bandai Namco with Tekken
Capcom with SF
SnK with Fatal Fury/Garou
Sega with VF
We back.
VIRTUA BACKKKKKKKK LETS GOOOOOO
you gotta introduce him as Maximilian pegasus one episode
Im calling it now J6 cloned Sarah and made Stella. Like a Pinocchio Dural.
Just heard Max's theory. Yep sounds about right.
It would be a cool thing to dig for the story. If Jacky is still alive his interaction with Stella could be really interesting, pissed and conflicted.
That reminds me of Cameron Phillips, from the T2 spin-off The Sarah Conor Chronicles. An infiltration terminator that gains sentience and helps defend John and Sarah.
Though I understand that Noctis sold well and helped to invigorate Tekken 7, it doesn't negate the argument that he and Clive aren't the best fit for the franchise. And come on, if the argument is based on the character's/game's popularity or amount of money they would make, I have to imagine that Tifa would definitely do WAY better than Clive.
Yeah that never made much sense to me. Obviously Tifa would sell better if its about sales. They wanted to promote FF16 better so they made this deal in 2022. That makes sense but when it comes to talking about sales idk if we can compare the impact of the first FF character being in tekken to Clive lol. Entirely different eras in what we came to expect from guest characters.
Maybe they're just saving Tifa for remake part 3, either way I'm hype for clive
Was only made a fan recently when ultimate showdown dropped as someone too young to have played any of the older titles but I'm hype. Akira looks sick and very curious about Stella's whole deal.
At least Noctis fit aesthetically since he was from a game with a modern setting. Clive's fantasy outfit looks way more out of place. But his stage is cool enough that I'll forgive it.
I am really excited for the potential of the PC port for VF with a hopeful Nvidia partnership there, and where that might go in the competitive space. Give us optimized PC versions of FGs! And do the GBVSR F2P option too!
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (trademark Maximilian Dood)
Espero q o novo VF seja um jogo completinho e divertido. VF é massa!
@@binho2224 to bem curiosa pra ver o que o RGG Studio vai fazer nesse aspecto! O sonho é que façam SHENMUE SÓ QUE DE VF KKKKKKK
@@ViKatamari tb espero q invistam em conteúdo assim. Eles tem cacife pra fazer algo bem legal!
I had the same issue as Max with the VF5 beta. The game would constantly match me with people that couldn't run the game at a stable 60fps and it completely destroys the netcode. I really hope they implement a performance test/benchmark before letting you play ranked in the final product. Also with the connection setting on "Good" it would match me with people with like 200ms ping, which doesn't count as "Good" to me
The revisionist history on Noctis is wild. Many dedicated Tekken players hated Noctis for the entire cycle of Tekken 7 and it wasn't just shit like "He should have been in SC!" or "he should be Tifa!". Tekken players generally HATED his gameplay. Most people who enjoyed him back then just seemed to want to use a cheap character with "rule breaking" moves or weren't really that into Tekken and liked how easy he was to pick up from that perspective.
Hating a character and him being the most successful one when it comes to DLC purchase are two different things.
But thats the thing since it happened in 7 dont freak out when it happens in 8 its obvious having a FF guest character is their plan in tekken and its not going to destroy tekken.
It's not revisionist, that was people whining about his shit being good because they lost to him. He was mid asf and it was only in the final season where he was an alright character.
It just exposed people to being whiff punished or refusing to learn his weaknesses.
"Tekken players" hated every guest character if we want to be real here, Noctis was the highest selling character for a reason and it's not because everyone hated him.
Correction: Tekken players hate every character except the one they're playing.
If they aren't salty, there's a problem.
I’m sure that’s true if you think the reddit community is the whole Tekken community
Weren't Kage's mom a Dural at one point? If so, making Sarah Dural makes sense.
Stella was The Bridge between worlds
Just wanna say I loved FFXV on release and so did many of my friends
Ditto 🙋🏾
THAT WASN'T SARAH??????
SHE HAS A DAUGHTER!!!??????
BROTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRR I NEED THIS GAAAAAAAAAME 😩
I think SF 6 Mai is the more beautiful 3-D May ever. Period.
34:50 Max is wrong in that statement, i've seen many VF fans saying that they don't want a new game to change in any way, some straight up saying that they just want it to be VF5 again. Is very disappointing to see them think that way.
I saw the opposite, especially on the jp side of things, ppl are hyped asf for everything VF related.
I’ve noticed this sentiment with 3d fighting game fans in general
@@j.i.nthenobody54 Yeah, i've noticed that too. It can get pretty frustrating to talk about fighting game mechanics with them.
ill always want Kiryu in Tekken but if the only option was for sega to not want to allow someone else to use Kiryu except themselves im still okay with that. VF5 has awesome grabs based on proximity of the environment and that just screams Kiryu Heat moves.
Tekken 8 having a Heat mechanic and NOT having ANY Yakuza/LAD rep when RGG games have had a Heat mechanic for 20 years is such a HUGE missed opportunity
Glad we’ll highly likely get a VF rep in the next season or two, but it’s disappointing knowing that means definitely no Yakuza guest dlc because NO CHANCE they’d give any company the guest slots for TWO different seasons/years
Hurts even further when Harada acknowledged that Kiryu/Yakuza was the most popular demanded DLC/guest during Tekken 7
Damn, I have VFUS on PS5 but no cross play and rollback. Gonna have to buy REVO on Steam
That special edition is looking crazy.
If I recall correctly Bloody Roar 1 & 2 are on one of those PS+ tiers
They were available for the PSP/PS3/psvita store but have not been added to the ps+ stuff
How about SEGA gives us Mfkn Lan Di in VF6! Stop playing with us SEGA. GIVE US A DOPE VILLIAN!
Fighters Megamix!
lol Max salty they picked granblue
my voice gave out when the VF logo splashed on screen I screamed so hard. It's awesome how phenomenal the game looks already and I'm SO glad they actually had the balls to slightly age up and change the design of their characters.
I agree with Max that Stella is dural. Actually I don't think of her as dural, but of Sarahs Mother. I also think VF6 is in the past. Before Sarahs Mother was dural.
Sarah's daughter, to me, just sounds wild, especially dressing as how her mother dressed being under J6 control 😅 I still believe it could be just a reboot of the series and that "Stella" is supposedly Sarah but brainwashed or maybe she's a clone?
I don't see Akira much older so i doubt Stella is Sarah daughter. I think more about a brainwhashed Sarah or clone.
Im predicting with her being a dural AI unit modeled after sarah, that becomes aware, and goes rogue.
@majortom331 I'm starting to think this too
Yugo for T8
Majima for VF plsssss
Idk if he would fit there with his clone jutusu move, also he is very stabby with his demonfire dagger, they would have to choose either thug or breaker style for him, don't see them giving him slugger style or mad dog style.
Oh yea, DOA, I can see Kasumi or Ryu Hyabusa being a guest character in VF6.
Mai looks finneeeeee
And no one remembers Virtua Quest.
Clive is so cool that I uninstalled Tekken and preordered VF5 REVO
Put Shadow The Hedgehog in your face in VF single player lmao
Max is *cranky* this episode, can't wait for MvC to finish up so he can sleep 😂
1:21:20 but does the average player even know Terry got better?
Justin let's not praise connections until the game is released lol
Goh from VF as a guest in Tekken
Lidia from Tekken as a guest in VF
I''d be curious to see how that could turn out. Goh isn't a real big striker and doesn't have a ton of strings. Goh definitely has the tekken look, and is a assassin for J6..
I like these characters but this would never happen, such a terrible idea LMAO
the average person will see those two next to these legacy franchises and just go WHO???
it has to and will be a character that is box art worthy
It would be cool if it was Jacky's daughter and she just takes after Sarah more
Don't think konami has made a bloody roar pachinko so i think matts right bout them forgetting. hopefully sega and capcom inspires other jp game companies to revive old ip
If not Kiryu I want Yagami from Judgment to be a guest in VF6.
I thought Dural was Kage's mom?
I remember people liking FF15 and seeing so many positives tweets, screenshots and gameplay about it back then to the point I almost brought it and I'm not a FF fan at all. Seems it's become thought of more negatively since though. Whereas 16 I honestly had no idea that came out, maybe it's mixed in my brain with the 7 remake/remaster stuff?
Yeah Max was a bit off with that FF15 take… is 15 not liked as much in the time that has passed? Obviously. But was it as hated upon release? I wouldn’t say so. Disappointing yeah but hated? Ehh
Yeah I honestly don't know wtf Max is talking about
Sega need to put in Shadow the Hedgehog and announce a new Sonic The Fighters
"Konami doesn't having a fighting game franchise!"
Ahem
TMNT Tournament Fighters
Lol I thought the same thing
i don think the game awards has enough money for ronaldo
Joel perez vs Akira Yuki
Max I love you but by your logic Tekken 8 is the same as 7. A old game with a minor update. Both Rising and Tekken 8 made drastic changes to make both play and feel different. I would get it if Rising was just a balance patch. But they added new battle mechanics which made the game drastically different to play, rollback, a lot more online interactivity, a fall guys mode, etc. Same with Tekken 8. Minus the fall guys mode. Rising has done more than enough to be considered a new game.
I think there is one 5 too many in the timestamps lol
Yep. Checked out on MK1. They finally did enough to kill my interest in the franchise moving forward
Yes that's all ppl are saying Clive is cool. Rather have Tifa, but its cool tbh.
_Eternal Champions_ was made by Sega USA. _No way_ will any character from that series appear in VF. Sega of Japan already killed EC once, no way will they acknowledge it in their flagship fighter.
_Yakuza_ , _Fighting Vipers_ , _Last Bronx_ , _Fighter's Megamix_ , _Streets of Rage_ , _Shemue_ . Yeah, characters from all of those are fair game. But EC is a hard no.
I'd like to see (Lan Di from shenmue)come back as the personal body guard to assist with ( Lei fei), and be the successor to lau chan, and his Koen-ken style before he dies from his illness.. Lau still fights in the tournament but he's pushed up in wheel chair pre fight by Lan Di only to take some temporary Medication to allow him to fight full strength. Sega gotta use some of these shenmue, and yakuza charscters thats for sure!
I want Hugo from bloody roar in Tekken 8 I think the beast gauge works perfect for Bloody Roar and a lot of Hugo’s moves are already Mishima coded if you really look at his moves.
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sarah bryant is based off shannon lee
I don't care if the guest chaacter is pacman, clive or fuckin liam neeson. I don't care if it's obi wan kenobi, I don't care if its Kim jon un, I don't care if its logan paul, I don't care if its master chief, I don't care if its jesus christ, I don't care if its Legacy of Kain, O don't care if its Brock lesnar, I don't care if its harry potter. I just want the fucking character to be fun. SOME FUCKING FUN. tekken 8 did good so far. Clive looks like fun, lets do it, I'm on board
Virtua Fighter is my favorite fighting game series so I'm over the moon about the possibilities for the new game. I love the look and feel of the aesthetic (what little we've seen) and loved the (very) brief gameplay snippet.
The one thing I really, REALLY hope they don't implement is any sort of meter or super move mechanic. Aside from the fact that VF prides itself on a certain degree of realism, supers would completely change the nature of the gameplay loop, which would be a terrible idea.
I can't wait to see more.
I actually completely disagree I would love to see a Bloody Roar reboot that’s more of a traditional style 2.5D game with an exciting combo system based around switching in and out of your Beasterizer form
Come VF6 i need a designated boxer NOT Burns