@@Hatchbasic ain’t gunna hear me disagree with that 😂😂 you could probably replace the word “best” with “only” .. I was just trying to be polite for once 🤣🤣
@@bigsteve8921 yeah, i've heard that clip, its one of the few things i disagree with Cornette on, especially when it comes to Russo.... but in some ways Jim still isn't wrong, because Vince didn't always use people in the best ways so sometimes it didn't make much sense, or was so silly that it was actually counter productive to the bigger star in the segments. But the concept in general makes sense.. All these guys would encounter each other back stage at some point in some way... so the idea of people interacting with other people despite card position isn't terribly absurd.... And its gives guys a chance to show that they can get a big angle over, which opens the door for moving people around on the card.
It blows me away that people hold WCW against Vince Russo. Like, he was writing for WWF and beat that 83 streak WCW had going on, as D.I. pointed out. THEN, he went over to WCW, a company he helped beat while in WWE, to try and help WCW, which was already badly damaged because of his WWF work. That's kind of a compliment. Nobody could have saved WCW, but Vince tried. He did the job for WCW (so to speak) and people hold it against him.
Vince's problem is since 1999 he has wanted to leave the wrestling business and never think about it ever again. He stayed for the money but his passion for the biz was never the same.
2000 was one of the best all round yrs and russo wasn't there...sure he build alot of the major stars up,but they carried 2000 with some of the highest ratings and popularity at its peak....
what I find to be so unfair about what happens with Russo is that he gets blamed for everything. When someone was great in WWE or WCW, people never say "yeah, Vince nailed it" but when something goes bad "Russo sucks".
A lot of that is because he applies the inverse to himself. An example is how he takes credit for TNA ratings but if you criticize something he will quickly tell you he wasn’t head writer ril 2009.
@@jackiejones3296 Matt is exactly right. I've heard Russo admit once - maybe it's happened more than once, but I've only seen it once - "Yeah bro, I could have handled that better." The only guy who is more outwardly critical is Bret Hart.
@@Matt-cr4vv Or blame Dutch Mantell for stuff that's blatantly Russo's idea. Guy also tries to insist he never wanted to be on TV in WCW but others forced it. 😂
The narrative that everyone has perpetuated over the year's about Vince Russo ( specifically for his time in WWE) is that 1) When something was good, Vince Russo had nothing to do with it. (McMahon was a filter, this and that) 2) But when something was bad, Vince Russo had everything to do with it, he was the only one responsible for it. If you don't see the problem with those narratives, I don't know what to say. It was either Vince Russo responsible all the time (ofc with McMahon giving his critique here and there, and all the star power of wrestlers, etc.) or Vince Russo none of the time, It can't be both. Yes, Russo wrote things that people may say were bad, even I didn't like some of the things that he wrote and that's fine. Vince Russo was not perfect, but then again nobody else was either. Just look at the horsesh!t WWE and AEW have done over the years.
Love that people think that Vince McMahon, the dude who gave us The Gobbledigooker and Mantaur. The guy who has made terrible creative choices for the last 15 to 20 years. That somehow that guy has a bullshit filter.
Vince Russo making fun of dirtsheet marks is the best wrestling content out there. Russo doesn't need positive press from these guys and I question anyone who gets positive press from those losers. This is the age of podcasts and we don't rely on dirtsheet writers for fake news any more.
@@republiccommando1513Russo actually is open to making amends and speaking to him, it’s Cornette who holds the personal grudge & despises him to the point of not wanting to associate with him at all
I understand that Russo's audience comes from talking about wrestling but I just find it so strange that he would have fans that want to hear wrestling constantly being buried. That's the weirdest type of fanbase.
@@louio that I don't mind, that's just him. I just can't work out how you could hate wrestling yet keep watching it (as a fan, Russo makes money from it so I get it)
This is fucking hilarious lol. Konnans aew and Jim’s aew videos do the most views, because they constantly bury aew. Why’s it so hard to understand that people like negativity?
Loooooooong standing as person who listens to Vince Russo's podcasts every week, it is clear that he knows what he is talking about and he is authentic. If he criticizes something he breaks it down as to why. He doesn't just criticize something for the sake of criticizing it.
Whenever someone bad mouths Vince Russo, I have always said and will always say- Vince Russo was the only person writing when 10 million people were watching wrestling every week.
@@avalond1193 I think Bischoff goes overboard with the Russo bashing though. I mean it's not like they ever had a legit fallout, so for him to STILL have such a problem over wrestling booking is weird to me.
Russo is hilarious. I'll tune into his RUclips videos, he's funny as hell. Good content with Stevie Ray, Al Snow, how he shits on Tony Khan and the dirt sheet marks
What I think the short bus minds fail to get, is Attitude era was an episodic story driven TV show featuring wrestling. Now it's just a wrestling matches show, more choreography than DWTS
On the other hand, Vince Russo has never grasped that wrestling fans actually like wrestling. His strength was in developing a character or coming up with a one-off angle, but in terms of actually booking a logical story from start to finish? He couldn't do it. It wasn't his role in the WWF, and that's something WCW and later Dixie Carter never grasped. That and he absolutely loves "On A Pole" matches.
It's funny watching numpties say "Vince McMahon filtered Vince Russo. McMahon was the real genius." Oh yeah? Then why was Vince McMahon getting his ass handed to him by WCW for a year before Russo came on board.
There's a reason the dirt sheet crew don't like Russo. Yes he was potentially the most successful writer in the history of pro-wrestling, and yes he is endorsed by some of the all the time greats - Steve Austin, The Rock, Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, Flair, HBK, Jericho, BUT, why the dirt sheet guys really dislike Russo is because Russo could actually walk away from the same business that these guys can only dream of being a part of. A lot of these dirt sheet guys - the houseman's, the sappy's and Alverez's all act like groupies. Just like young teen girls at a Backstreet Boys concert and one of them gets a wink from one of the band, they get all giddy like "wow they noticed me", and they just cant fathom somebody who can disregard all of that.
Vince was a mark. He desperately wanted to be billy Graham. His dad said no. He had one good idea, that would only work once or bankrupt him, he barely outlasted wcw and the only reason the company is alive now is he took it public. The writing is trash. Not same but not that different
I always laugh when that idiot Jim Cornette mocks Vince's physique. Like he has any right to say anything, plus while he is obviously hitting the gym hard in the thumbnail picture and more ripped than ever, obviously looking like he does he always had a solid foundation. Him shirtless now is damn impressive and you can see all his abs, he's ripped to the bone
YOU ARE SO STUPID, YOU IDIOT, YOU ARE A MORON!!!! THAT PICTURE IS NOT VINCE RUSSO!!!! IT'S NOT!!!! IT'S HIS FACE... **PASTED** ONTO ANOTHER BODY~!!!!! YOU IDIIOT!!!! YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON!!!! OmG!!!!!!!
I'm old enough to remember when Russo was the dirtsheet darling and when he basically wrote WCW TV for them. He came in with the idea to push the young guys, which is what the dirtsheets wanted because they hated Hogan and the rest of the old guys. The relationship went bad when both found out that people didn't want to see WCW's young guys in top spots. So the sheets blamed Russo for booking them wrong (otherwise the main stream would have loved them) and Russo turned on the sheets because they no longer supported him.
Problem also was that Russo had no plan for any of it. He just threw shit out there with little to no aftermath. He pushed the younger guys, but had no way for fans to actually like them.
People trash Vince Russo's booking over dumb gimmicks, but this the guy who also help keep Steve AUstin hot when Owen "broke his neck" & took Austin out of action for months. Anything you liked in TNA, you can thanks Vince for sure. & need someone to blame for booking, you can blame Vince easily. He's generally THAT guy, & love him or hate him, he's contributed to some of the most memorable moments in Wrestling, famous or infamous.
All of the people trashing Russo's WCW run are ignoring that the place was a political cesspool and it was set up for anybody who took that spot to fail. Whether you liked the creative Russo was putting out or not, the numbers were improving which is what he was hired for. I would recommend watching Russo's promo on JJ Dillon in TNA a couple of years after WCW closed. JJ himself has talked about it on Sullivan's podcast.
Vince Russo ain’t nothing he booked when Stone Cold N Rock we’re wrestling hasn’t done anything without attitude era when it was already hot with top guys you could put on garbage and it would draw with Stone Cold
Well Russo is still blamed as one of the guys that destroyed WCW along with Bischoff till this day and some people's minds aren't going to be changed over it
That's because people like you are told how to think. WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL.
Vince Russo was a success in the WWF but he has mixed things to say about his WCW run in some videos he says he was a success he boosted WCWs ratings and in others he saids his failure is to blame on backstage politics.
My only issue with Vince Russo is that I’ve almost never heard him admit he ever had bad ideas. Russo was awesome in a lot of ways, but I know it gets tiring hearing him shift the blame for everything that failed to get over onto other people. Hell, he blamed the fans for Beaver fucking Cleavage not getting over.
Russo likes All in the Family, The Honeymooners, Cheers, I Love Lucy, Barney Miller, etc. He knows some tv. You know who else knows some tv? Larry David. Borrowed everything for Seinfeld. Russo was a good booker because he had seen a fair bit. Having seen more tv myself than everyone, I can confirm Russo has better taste in tv than just about anyone in the history of the business.
The Arquette win got the company a lot of mainstream free press, but I'm unsure about the ratings it either produced or reduced. When he (Russo) became a character in TV, it wasn't good. It seems it has become en vogue to trash him for the bad and never give credit for the good, but isn't that the way of society in general.
Bro, if you want to make the football analogy McMahon was the head coach, offensive coordinator and even WR 3 at times. Russo deserves credit but he doesn't deserve ALL the credit, especially given what performers like Austin, The Rock, and HHH did to get themselves over. Russo also had a hand in some of the worst years creatively that WCW has ever seen, and again he doesn't deserve ALL the blame. I do think y'all are riding his nuts way too hard though saying he single handedly brought the team back from 35-0. You can look at the nielsen ratings for each show each of those 83 weeks, and even when they were losing WWF was still doing close to Monday Night Football numbers in viewership during the peak of the wars.
Of course he doesn’t deserve all the credit but the writing in wrestling is always minimized for some reason. Austin & Rock would not be as over today as they were back in the 90’s by the way today’s show is written. 50/50 booking and scripted promo. Etc.
That Flair I’m the dessert thing was garbage. Not every person needs a story or motive, some need to put people over. It’s not a soap opera, it’s there to make money.
I just recently re watched all of nitro and thunder. It immediately goes off the cliff once Russo takes over. It was getting bad before he got there, but once Russo gets control theres no consistency, nothing is formatted, nobody knew what was going on, the announcers couldnt do their jobs becuase they didnt even know what was coming. Not to mention the fact Russo put Juvie on commantary for multiple weeks in a row. It was absolute hot garbage. Its even worse in hindsight.
It seems they are giving russo way too much credits with WWE success not counting the fact was they had 2 of the biggest stars stone cold and the rock and fans loved seeing the evil McMahon that screwed Bret getting destroyed by stone cold as well as other cool stars like undertaker and Kane.
Avalon D the Rock and Stone Cold were there prior to Vince Russo taking over and those guys were not getting over. Vince McMahon had the Rock doing the Rocky Maivia gimmick and Stone Cold was doing the Ringmaster gimmick. Don't take away from what Vince Russo did. He still had to write for these guys as well as everyone else on the roster. There were only two writers at the time, Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara. Now you have a team of writers of like 25 people. A character is only as good as their booking.
also these 25 current writers arent wrestling fans and have for the most part zero experience in the industry having just finished college or university ...thats why the dialogue is so pathetic at times...
Not defending Russo booking himself to be champion. But there’s so many bad ideas in wrestling it’s laughable. Natalya’s farting gimmick, Cody as Stardust, Raw’s anonymous GM, Etc. Those aren’t bad ideas? Who are those writers? Everybody forgets or nobody knows. But then magnifies ever booking decision Russo’s ever made. It’s hypocrisy.
Scott Decowski someone had to write for those characters. Stone Cold didn't write his own material, and when he didn't like something he didn't have any ideas and Vince Russo had to figure it out.
@@scottdecowski4913 it did translate if you truly know your stuff. The ratings went up when he arrived in WCW and then he didn't have free reign to do what he wanted. He went through power struggles and pretty much phoned it in at a point. And TNA had their best ratings under him.
Man I really want to enjoy this show but damn it’s not enjoyable when EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT these guys just talk over each other, interrupt each other, talk before they listen, only worry about getting their opinion out. This show is not good that way and not easy to listen to
If Russo was the greatest writer ever then I think wcw would have been more successful and tna . They are both dead now. Not just on Russo of course. But look at aew. It is more successful
I feel like people don’t understand as soon as Stone Cold was a star WCW was going down no other reason come on 83 weeks was good because WWE had nothing interesting in that time and Vince Russo had Stone Cold n Rock n Michaels most overrated booker ever
@@terranceburrs5832 bruh To say he was responsible for 6 ratings in wwf if fucking stupid Steve Vince as a character and Vince as a booker handled all the stuff that drew money. Mcmahon I mean. Russo wrote shit about miscarriages and people getting they're dicks chopped off and it fucking sucked. Having Austin Rock and Vince as a Villain is what made that show truly great. My evidence? How did Russo do when he went to WCW. He was literally the worst booker in the history of wrestling.
@@jakebaggio4368 I've been following wrestling for 35 years. I know Disco wasn't in WWE. He worked with Russo in WCW and in TNA which is obviously what I'm talking about. The conversation was mostly about the unfair criticism and blame Vince Russo has received for the failures of WCW and TNA.
WWf is the only run that matters. Wcw became even more convoluted disjointed trash, and no one was watching TNA. And when I did watch it back, it was just more of the same.
Vince Russo might have been the head writer during the early Attitude era, but go back and look at 1997-1999. Other than what the top guys were doing (Austin, Rock, etc,), the mid and lower card stuff was pretty lame and hasn't aged too well. I would say WWF hit a creative peak in 2000 after Russo left, in addition to poaching some of WCW's midcard talent that were never given a fair chance before. Meanwhile, WCW went down the tubes in 2000 after Russo came on board. To his credit, Russo had some inklings of good ideas in WCW, such as pushing guys like Scott Steiner and Booker T to main event level. Steiner was probably the best heel in the business when he was WCW champion but it didn't matter because no one was watching by that time.
I disagree. Godfather, Val Venis, Gangrel, Al Snow and Head are still great gimmicks to this day. No doubt they’d still get pops today because they’re memorable.
@@theserver4 Yeah this recent narrative creeping in that Russo's attitude era hasn't aged well is a joke. It was miles ahead of what any company gives us now. It's not even up for debate.
@@TheTripleB you don't know what you're talking about. In fact, Disco and Konan in this video have both said guys like you don't know what they are talking about. And these guys were there, so I would take their knowledge on the topic over yours.
Alright it’s one thing when the show is annoying because you guys interrupt each other every 30 seconds, but to have a platform where you’re calling Vince Russo the best booker of all time is just telling people that your opinions are shit lol. This guy Disco needs to calm down when he talks because he talks like he knows he’s about to get interrupted. Maybe it’s because he says such stupid stuff like Russo is the best Booker. A shame because you might have something here without Disco
The problem with Vince Russo he don't give credit to the talent of Stone Cold,The Rock,Mankind and others and don't take the heat for the stuff that didnt work.
@@Bungalowtv He's given credit to everyone from the wrestlers to VKM to JR to Kevin Dunn and the list goes on. He's done like 4 or 5 podcasts with Austin himself. You sound like a mark who hates him. And choose to believe what you want even though its BS.
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KONNAN reacts to VINCE RUSSO saying that DOMINIK MYSTERIO isn't over ruclips.net/video/P9aQUF8wfUk/видео.html
I’ve always said the best thing about Vince was his ability to give everybody on the roster a purpose on the show.
Yep he used everybody. You didn't have half the roster sitting in catering.
Yeah but alot of the time they might be better without a purpose like for instance beaver clevage or meat
@@Hatchbasic ain’t gunna hear me disagree with that 😂😂 you could probably replace the word “best” with “only” .. I was just trying to be polite for once 🤣🤣
Cornette actually criticized that lol
@@bigsteve8921 yeah, i've heard that clip, its one of the few things i disagree with Cornette on, especially when it comes to Russo.... but in some ways Jim still isn't wrong, because Vince didn't always use people in the best ways so sometimes it didn't make much sense, or was so silly that it was actually counter productive to the bigger star in the segments.
But the concept in general makes sense.. All these guys would encounter each other back stage at some point in some way... so the idea of people interacting with other people despite card position isn't terribly absurd.... And its gives guys a chance to show that they can get a big angle over, which opens the door for moving people around on the card.
It blows me away that people hold WCW against Vince Russo. Like, he was writing for WWF and beat that 83 streak WCW had going on, as D.I. pointed out. THEN, he went over to WCW, a company he helped beat while in WWE, to try and help WCW, which was already badly damaged because of his WWF work. That's kind of a compliment. Nobody could have saved WCW, but Vince tried. He did the job for WCW (so to speak) and people hold it against him.
Vince's problem is since 1999 he has wanted to leave the wrestling business and never think about it ever again. He stayed for the money but his passion for the biz was never the same.
Bro
2000 was one of the best all round yrs and russo wasn't there...sure he build alot of the major stars up,but they carried 2000 with some of the highest ratings and popularity at its peak....
That’s fair
what I find to be so unfair about what happens with Russo is that he gets blamed for everything. When someone was great in WWE or WCW, people never say "yeah, Vince nailed it" but when something goes bad "Russo sucks".
A lot of that is because he applies the inverse to himself. An example is how he takes credit for TNA ratings but if you criticize something he will quickly tell you he wasn’t head writer ril 2009.
@@Matt-cr4vv that's a really good point man, I agree. Yep.
@@jackiejones3296 Matt is exactly right. I've heard Russo admit once - maybe it's happened more than once, but I've only seen it once - "Yeah bro, I could have handled that better." The only guy who is more outwardly critical is Bret Hart.
@@Matt-cr4vv Or blame Dutch Mantell for stuff that's blatantly Russo's idea. Guy also tries to insist he never wanted to be on TV in WCW but others forced it. 😂
@@Matt-cr4vv That isn't true. He's taken blame for a number of stories and angles.
The narrative that everyone has perpetuated over the year's about Vince Russo ( specifically for his time in WWE) is that
1) When something was good, Vince Russo had nothing to do with it. (McMahon was a filter, this and that)
2) But when something was bad, Vince Russo had everything to do with it, he was the only one responsible for it.
If you don't see the problem with those narratives, I don't know what to say. It was either Vince Russo responsible all the time (ofc with McMahon giving his critique here and there, and all the star power of wrestlers, etc.) or Vince Russo none of the time, It can't be both. Yes, Russo wrote things that people may say were bad, even I didn't like some of the things that he wrote and that's fine. Vince Russo was not perfect, but then again nobody else was either. Just look at the horsesh!t WWE and AEW have done over the years.
Love that people think that Vince McMahon, the dude who gave us The Gobbledigooker and Mantaur. The guy who has made terrible creative choices for the last 15 to 20 years. That somehow that guy has a bullshit filter.
Vince Russo making fun of dirtsheet marks is the best wrestling content out there. Russo doesn't need positive press from these guys and I question anyone who gets positive press from those losers. This is the age of podcasts and we don't rely on dirtsheet writers for fake news any more.
the marks deserve to be mocked..they are so boring ugly and obsessed with certain guys like dean ambrose and adam cole and jungle boy....
Please get Cornette and Russo on the show.
That'll never happen dude...if it ever did happen it would probably result in a prison sentence
That's a recipe for disaster
Neither one of them would agree If they knew the other was going to be there
@@republiccommando1513Russo actually is open to making amends and speaking to him, it’s Cornette who holds the personal grudge & despises him to the point of not wanting to associate with him at all
@@tededwards5709 Even if Cornette softened on Russo Last isnt letting him go on a competing podcast.
I understand that Russo's audience comes from talking about wrestling but I just find it so strange that he would have fans that want to hear wrestling constantly being buried. That's the weirdest type of fanbase.
Or hear him talk his Schick gets boring after awhile
@@louio that I don't mind, that's just him. I just can't work out how you could hate wrestling yet keep watching it (as a fan, Russo makes money from it so I get it)
This is fucking hilarious lol.
Konnans aew and Jim’s aew videos do the most views, because they constantly bury aew. Why’s it so hard to understand that people like negativity?
Loooooooong standing as person who listens to Vince Russo's podcasts every week, it is clear that he knows what he is talking about and he is authentic. If he criticizes something he breaks it down as to why. He doesn't just criticize something for the sake of criticizing it.
Like this is the exact shit aew fans will say about cornettes/k100s fans. There’s always other fish
I feel bad for Russo, he's an easy target for critics. A lot of the negative stuff said about him is completely made up.
The dirt sheets had been burying Russo for a LONG time before Castrating the Marks was even a thing.
I like how Disco can make a segment about Vince Russo totally about himself.
Whenever someone bad mouths Vince Russo, I have always said and will always say- Vince Russo was the only person writing when 10 million people were watching wrestling every week.
Wrestling Bios has changed a lot of Vince Russo's haters into fans.
Disco summed it up perfect: Vince Russo can't take it. He talks trash all day yet when it comeback on him, he melts.
Facts
Just like Eric said russo has the constitution of an egg shell
@@avalond1193 I think Bischoff goes overboard with the Russo bashing though. I mean it's not like they ever had a legit fallout, so for him to STILL have such a problem over wrestling booking is weird to me.
idk what certain guys problem is with russo,esp lance storm and mustafa ali...
@@jackstraw4222 what's this about?
Russo is hilarious. I'll tune into his RUclips videos, he's funny as hell. Good content with Stevie Ray, Al Snow, how he shits on Tony Khan and the dirt sheet marks
Tony Khan is a such a bad booker that nothing Russo ever booked seems bad now, everything he did is brilliant compared to AEW
Russo booked a piñata on a pole match. You call that good booking?
What I think the short bus minds fail to get, is Attitude era was an episodic story driven TV show featuring wrestling. Now it's just a wrestling matches show, more choreography than DWTS
On the other hand, Vince Russo has never grasped that wrestling fans actually like wrestling. His strength was in developing a character or coming up with a one-off angle, but in terms of actually booking a logical story from start to finish? He couldn't do it. It wasn't his role in the WWF, and that's something WCW and later Dixie Carter never grasped.
That and he absolutely loves "On A Pole" matches.
@@rangergeorge6808 STOP IT
The three most important people in wrestling were Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan and Vince Russo.
No, just no.
Vince Russo will always be the most iconic and famous booker in wrestling like or not, his name will always be there
Vince himself calls himself a writer, never a booker. He prefers writing TV segments and setting up storylines and not booking matches.
It's funny watching numpties say "Vince McMahon filtered Vince Russo. McMahon was the real genius." Oh yeah? Then why was Vince McMahon getting his ass handed to him by WCW for a year before Russo came on board.
thehmc exactly. Vince McMahon was bad at booking then and he is bad at it now.
Vince Russo means more the the wrestling business than you ever will
There's a reason the dirt sheet crew don't like Russo. Yes he was potentially the most successful writer in the history of pro-wrestling, and yes he is endorsed by some of the all the time greats - Steve Austin, The Rock, Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, Flair, HBK, Jericho, BUT, why the dirt sheet guys really dislike Russo is because Russo could actually walk away from the same business that these guys can only dream of being a part of.
A lot of these dirt sheet guys - the houseman's, the sappy's and Alverez's all act like groupies. Just like young teen girls at a Backstreet Boys concert and one of them gets a wink from one of the band, they get all giddy like "wow they noticed me", and they just cant fathom somebody who can disregard all of that.
Vince McMahon is a genius, Tony Khan is a mark with a rich Daddy
Vince was a mark. He desperately wanted to be billy Graham. His dad said no. He had one good idea, that would only work once or bankrupt him, he barely outlasted wcw and the only reason the company is alive now is he took it public. The writing is trash. Not same but not that different
@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419 you have no idea who Vince McMahon is, do you?
They did pipe in noise for Dom, they do it a lot now
I always laugh when that idiot Jim Cornette mocks Vince's physique. Like he has any right to say anything, plus while he is obviously hitting the gym hard in the thumbnail picture and more ripped than ever, obviously looking like he does he always had a solid foundation. Him shirtless now is damn impressive and you can see all his abs, he's ripped to the bone
YOU ARE SO STUPID, YOU IDIOT, YOU ARE A MORON!!!! THAT PICTURE IS NOT VINCE RUSSO!!!! IT'S NOT!!!! IT'S HIS FACE... **PASTED** ONTO ANOTHER BODY~!!!!! YOU IDIIOT!!!! YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON!!!! OmG!!!!!!!
@@patron7906 bless his heart
I'm old enough to remember when Russo was the dirtsheet darling and when he basically wrote WCW TV for them. He came in with the idea to push the young guys, which is what the dirtsheets wanted because they hated Hogan and the rest of the old guys.
The relationship went bad when both found out that people didn't want to see WCW's young guys in top spots. So the sheets blamed Russo for booking them wrong (otherwise the main stream would have loved them) and Russo turned on the sheets because they no longer supported him.
Jarrett, Buff, Kidman, Vampiro, The Cat, The Wall, Natural Born Thrillers, 3 Count, Jung Dragons Crowbar, The Mamalukes... get me the barf bag.
Problem also was that Russo had no plan for any of it. He just threw shit out there with little to no aftermath. He pushed the younger guys, but had no way for fans to actually like them.
People trash Vince Russo's booking over dumb gimmicks, but this the guy who also help keep Steve AUstin hot when Owen "broke his neck" & took Austin out of action for months. Anything you liked in TNA, you can thanks Vince for sure. & need someone to blame for booking, you can blame Vince easily. He's generally THAT guy, & love him or hate him, he's contributed to some of the most memorable moments in Wrestling, famous or infamous.
All of the people trashing Russo's WCW run are ignoring that the place was a political cesspool and it was set up for anybody who took that spot to fail. Whether you liked the creative Russo was putting out or not, the numbers were improving which is what he was hired for. I would recommend watching Russo's promo on JJ Dillon in TNA a couple of years after WCW closed. JJ himself has talked about it on Sullivan's podcast.
Vince Russo ain’t nothing he booked when Stone Cold N Rock we’re wrestling hasn’t done anything without attitude era when it was already hot with top guys you could put on garbage and it would draw with Stone Cold
Cj Nunez I can assure you that you have no clue what you are talking about.
Great content... great conversation
They just ended up kissing Russo's ass so they don't hurt his feelings
Hugo Baka no, they told the truth.
Me in the K100 comments, yeah maybe we are too hard on vince.
Me in the JCexperience comments, f*** Russo, he ruined my childhood singlehandedly.
Well Russo is still blamed as one of the guys that destroyed WCW along with Bischoff till this day and some people's minds aren't going to be changed over it
That's because people like you are told how to think.
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Vince Russo was a success in the WWF but he has mixed things to say about his WCW run in some videos he says he was a success he boosted WCWs ratings and in others he saids his failure is to blame on backstage politics.
My only issue with Vince Russo is that I’ve almost never heard him admit he ever had bad ideas. Russo was awesome in a lot of ways, but I know it gets tiring hearing him shift the blame for everything that failed to get over onto other people. Hell, he blamed the fans for Beaver fucking Cleavage not getting over.
There’s videos out there of Russo of taking blame for the kennel from hell match in WWF & stairway to heaven match in TNA just to name a couple.
In Fairness They were slating Russo along time before castrating the marks
I'm looking forward to the night of champions ppv. The WWE backlash ppv was awesome.
Lol what was Konnan talking about at the start about them piping in crowd noise for Dominik?
They did tho, the noise levels were to loud.
He was referencing what Russo said a couple of weeks ago. WWE pipes in noise, but they don't need to for Dom for sure.
@@President_Shin they didn't.
Russo, which you can find on a previous clip, said that WWE were putting in fake crowd noise for Dominik Mysterio and Konnan responded.
@@KeepinIt100OFFICIALMaybe not Dominik but WWE does pipe In noise at times.
Russo likes All in the Family, The Honeymooners, Cheers, I Love Lucy, Barney Miller, etc. He knows some tv. You know who else knows some tv? Larry David. Borrowed everything for Seinfeld. Russo was a good booker because he had seen a fair bit. Having seen more tv myself than everyone, I can confirm Russo has better taste in tv than just about anyone in the history of the business.
The Arquette win got the company a lot of mainstream free press, but I'm unsure about the ratings it either produced or reduced. When he (Russo) became a character in TV, it wasn't good. It seems it has become en vogue to trash him for the bad and never give credit for the good, but isn't that the way of society in general.
What's the 83 weeks math that DI was on about?
Bro, if you want to make the football analogy McMahon was the head coach, offensive coordinator and even WR 3 at times. Russo deserves credit but he doesn't deserve ALL the credit, especially given what performers like Austin, The Rock, and HHH did to get themselves over. Russo also had a hand in some of the worst years creatively that WCW has ever seen, and again he doesn't deserve ALL the blame. I do think y'all are riding his nuts way too hard though saying he single handedly brought the team back from 35-0. You can look at the nielsen ratings for each show each of those 83 weeks, and even when they were losing WWF was still doing close to Monday Night Football numbers in viewership during the peak of the wars.
Of course he doesn’t deserve all the credit but the writing in wrestling is always minimized for some reason. Austin & Rock would not be as over today as they were back in the 90’s by the way today’s show is written. 50/50 booking and scripted promo. Etc.
That Flair I’m the dessert thing was garbage. Not every person needs a story or motive, some need to put people over. It’s not a soap opera, it’s there to make money.
I just recently re watched all of nitro and thunder. It immediately goes off the cliff once Russo takes over. It was getting bad before he got there, but once Russo gets control theres no consistency, nothing is formatted, nobody knew what was going on, the announcers couldnt do their jobs becuase they didnt even know what was coming. Not to mention the fact Russo put Juvie on commantary for multiple weeks in a row. It was absolute hot garbage. Its even worse in hindsight.
Russo looking hella jacked. Cornette better watch his back.
Jimmy Hart with a can of mace…Jesus, I’m glad nobody took the handcuffs off Disco.
No, I can’t say Russo was the best anything ever. He hot shotted so much; and there is an argument his writing hurt business later.
Russo never loved the business he saw a easy pay day and treated everything like a B Movie.
he'll get angry about this
The piped in stuff sounds terrible. Maybe they can get ai to make a more realistic version.
You guys are calling someone sensitive. 😁
I don't hate Vince Russo but he's his own worst enemy. Opinions are opinions but some of his takes are just weird.
It seems they are giving russo way too much credits with WWE success not counting the fact was they had 2 of the biggest stars stone cold and the rock and fans loved seeing the evil McMahon that screwed Bret getting destroyed by stone cold as well as other cool stars like undertaker and Kane.
Avalon D the Rock and Stone Cold were there prior to Vince Russo taking over and those guys were not getting over. Vince McMahon had the Rock doing the Rocky Maivia gimmick and Stone Cold was doing the Ringmaster gimmick. Don't take away from what Vince Russo did. He still had to write for these guys as well as everyone else on the roster. There were only two writers at the time, Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara. Now you have a team of writers of like 25 people. A character is only as good as their booking.
also these 25 current writers arent wrestling fans and have for the most part zero experience in the industry having just finished college or university ...thats why the dialogue is so pathetic at times...
@@jackstraw4222 that is correct as well. They hire anybody.
Dutch says Disco was funny but not a smart guy
Ouch!
He booked himself to win a championship nuff said some one who looks like darby allen would beat him up in real life shouldn't sniff a belt
Not defending Russo booking himself to be champion. But there’s so many bad ideas in wrestling it’s laughable. Natalya’s farting gimmick, Cody as Stardust, Raw’s anonymous GM, Etc. Those aren’t bad ideas? Who are those writers? Everybody forgets or nobody knows. But then magnifies ever booking decision Russo’s ever made. It’s hypocrisy.
Rock & Austin had nothing to do with the ratings going up, 99% was the incredibly smart writing of bro bro 🫠🤏👌
What???!!!
Scott Decowski someone had to write for those characters. Stone Cold didn't write his own material, and when he didn't like something he didn't have any ideas and Vince Russo had to figure it out.
@@terranceburrs5832 HOW DARE YOU USE LOGIC!?
@Terrance Burrs Why didn't that success translate in TNA for Russo? Or anywhere else for that matter?
@@scottdecowski4913 it did translate if you truly know your stuff. The ratings went up when he arrived in WCW and then he didn't have free reign to do what he wanted. He went through power struggles and pretty much phoned it in at a point. And TNA had their best ratings under him.
If this thumbnail tells us anything it lets us understand why McMahon was always jealous of Russo. What a Beefcake!
Russo rhymes with Benzo (kind of). Sounds like Russo needs to take a Benzo (or smoke more pot).
Man I really want to enjoy this show but damn it’s not enjoyable when EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT these guys just talk over each other, interrupt each other, talk before they listen, only worry about getting their opinion out. This show is not good that way and not easy to listen to
No one believes disco did any of what he claims.
Disco hangs out with vince to much lol bro!
If Russo was the greatest writer ever then I think wcw would have been more successful and tna . They are both dead now. Not just on Russo of course. But look at aew. It is more successful
I feel like people don’t understand as soon as Stone Cold was a star WCW was going down no other reason come on 83 weeks was good because WWE had nothing interesting in that time and Vince Russo had Stone Cold n Rock n Michaels most overrated booker ever
Cj Nunez this is another dumb comment.
Russo does say stuff for attention though
Is disco lying or just not informed?,
Jake Baggio how could he not be informed when he was there. He worked with Vince Russo in WCW and in TNA. That was a dumb comment on your part.
@@terranceburrs5832 bruh To say he was responsible for 6 ratings in wwf if fucking stupid Steve Vince as a character and Vince as a booker handled all the stuff that drew money. Mcmahon I mean. Russo wrote shit about miscarriages and people getting they're dicks chopped off and it fucking sucked. Having Austin Rock and Vince as a Villain is what made that show truly great. My evidence? How did Russo do when he went to WCW. He was literally the worst booker in the history of wrestling.
@@terranceburrs5832 also my guy not piling on "he was there" I don't know if you are a new fan or not but Disco was never in the WWF. Take the L
@@jakebaggio4368 I've been following wrestling for 35 years. I know Disco wasn't in WWE. He worked with Russo in WCW and in TNA which is obviously what I'm talking about. The conversation was mostly about the unfair criticism and blame Vince Russo has received for the failures of WCW and TNA.
@@terranceburrs5832 2 companies Russo completely ruined
Never seen a dude live off one run for so long .
KingOfStrongStyle he had more than one run. The ratings went up when he arrived in WCW, and TNA had their best ratings under him.
WWf is the only run that matters. Wcw became even more convoluted disjointed trash, and no one was watching TNA. And when I did watch it back, it was just more of the same.
Russo is like a baseball player. He only wants you to remember the 1 time he went yard & not all the times he struck out.
Sorry, russo is the worst writer of all time, it's sad glen, because I respect you and your ideas, nut russo is seriously not good.
Dominik Mysterio is a bigger draw than MJF
Dominik Maestro can't draw a bath. Neither can MJF, but Dominik Maestro can't draw a bath. Rey's son should have been Fenix.
@@kazman_6899 why choose to make yourself look so clueless?
@@philwalsh8975 You're saying young Dom can draw?
@@kazman_6899 yes. Can you read numbers?
@@philwalsh8975 lol. Get outta here.
Vince Russo might have been the head writer during the early Attitude era, but go back and look at 1997-1999. Other than what the top guys were doing (Austin, Rock, etc,), the mid and lower card stuff was pretty lame and hasn't aged too well. I would say WWF hit a creative peak in 2000 after Russo left, in addition to poaching some of WCW's midcard talent that were never given a fair chance before. Meanwhile, WCW went down the tubes in 2000 after Russo came on board.
To his credit, Russo had some inklings of good ideas in WCW, such as pushing guys like Scott Steiner and Booker T to main event level. Steiner was probably the best heel in the business when he was WCW champion but it didn't matter because no one was watching by that time.
I disagree. Godfather, Val Venis, Gangrel, Al Snow and Head are still great gimmicks to this day. No doubt they’d still get pops today because they’re memorable.
@@theserver4 Yeah this recent narrative creeping in that Russo's attitude era hasn't aged well is a joke. It was miles ahead of what any company gives us now. It's not even up for debate.
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Way to many pronouns not enough names sunshine
Russo was trash, and anyone who says he was a "good storyteller " loses credibility
TheTripleB you actually lost credibility and have no clue what your're talking about.
@@terranceburrs5832 The 2 companies Russo ran into the ground with his storytelling beg to differ.
@@TheTripleB you don't know what you're talking about. In fact, Disco and Konan in this video have both said guys like you don't know what they are talking about. And these guys were there, so I would take their knowledge on the topic over yours.
@@terranceburrs5832 💯🔥these nerds think they r in the "know"
@@deestone2516 exactly. They sound ridiculous and like nerdy, obsessive marks.
Alright it’s one thing when the show is annoying because you guys interrupt each other every 30 seconds, but to have a platform where you’re calling Vince Russo the best booker of all time is just telling people that your opinions are shit lol. This guy Disco needs to calm down when he talks because he talks like he knows he’s about to get interrupted. Maybe it’s because he says such stupid stuff like Russo is the best Booker. A shame because you might have something here without Disco
Who’s a better booker/writer than Russo?
@@theserver4 mantel, jerry Jarrett, dusty
@@EvPed But that’s an opinion right or do you have ratings/ppv buys to prove it?
The problem with Vince Russo he don't give credit to the talent of Stone Cold,The Rock,Mankind and others and don't take the heat for the stuff that didnt work.
This is a LIE
@@kevinlee9929 pfffft whatever what wack story line has he taken the blame for?!? All I hear is the execution was bad.
@@Bungalowtv He's given credit to all the talent he's worked with. Like I said. YOU'RE LYING.
@@kevinlee9929 your face is lying! Stop being a Stan!
@@Bungalowtv He's given credit to everyone from the wrestlers to VKM to JR to Kevin Dunn and the list goes on. He's done like 4 or 5 podcasts with Austin himself. You sound like a mark who hates him. And choose to believe what you want even though its BS.
Russo is out of touch like disco's hair cut
Ross Pearman you don't know what you're talking about.