Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS Review for DCS, MSFS, Star Citizen
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Join Lead this week as we dive into a years use of the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and see if this is really the kit of your dreams, or if you should be looking elsewhere at these prices.
0:00 - Intro
1:45 - Stick Review
6:50 - Throttle Review
11:40 - Should You Buy One
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Over the few years of owning Warthog HOTAS, I've upgraded the nipple on throttle and replaced stick base with Virpil's Warbrd. Flight experience went noticeably up, maneuvers are smoother and so on but the HOTAS itself is a workhorse. Yes, the switches are a bummer sometimes, SC should offer more options that use sticky buttons to utilize it properly. That's definitely feedback I'm going to submit once I get more familiar with SC. You can still map them even to toggles though, it just means you will flip the switch on and off more. But hey, who does not like some switch flipping, right? :D
great review. nice that you've actually reviewed after extensive use. I was lucky and got dual T16000M for little money with some cashback vouchers during the COVID hype which suits my very casual play
Thanks a lot man! great unbiased review, this kind of things really help people out.
i've had the warthog for 9 years now, it was expencive back then and i bet it still is but damn what a quality! i used it in DCS and now i use it in microsoft flight simulator! Best purchase i've ever done
Do I need the paddles for it?
@@peytonthedude745 i never did but i see most serious gamers do, i Just mapped rudder into my joystick
@@Putti509 how do you do that?
iv watch 2 videos of yours (this was my 2nd) i love the description, recommendation and more. Ill be recommending you to some of my friends. Thank you! 🙏🙏
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
great review!! thanks for a well rounded and honest review!
Great review and thanks for taking the time to do it. I want one of these but I also like the look of the Logitech X56, I going crazy trying to decide (DCS, ARMA3, MSFS2020 mostly).
Good review.
Someone gave me a Saitek X52 and that has done me ok in both Star Citizen and DCS. One day I'll save up the money to get a better one being disable that's hard to do.
Thanks! This was informative and helpful and will add to my list 👍
The Warthog is definitely something special but seeing others use it makes me really appreciate the availability and more importantly value for price of VKB's Gladiator NXTs
The NXT Evo has even better quality to price ratio, and with the release of the Honeycomb Tango Foxtrot at the end of 2022, it looks like we’re gonna have more good options for hotas’s
@@SemiCollin Looks like a bit of cheap plastic against the Thrustmaster metal units.
@@farmersuiticles It's got an objectively significantly superior gimbal system, the part that actually matters. (Thrustmaster gimbal is a plastic cup and ball lmao)
If not for the fact that VKB has to ship out of China they would dominate the market. I love their products but I hate the hassle and weeks of delays on shipping
The switch issue you discuss is (relatively) easily overcome either with direct lua edits or a variety of joystick key-mappers such as joystick gremlin. It’s not very intuitive but there are forum posts walk you through it, the basic concept is that you map the change of state (off - on and on - off) to a virtual button press.
yes i thote that 2 and say wtf is talking about ??? did he speak on users with zero pc knowledge ??? if yes ok then )))
great honest review, helped me a lot in NOT upgrading unnecessarily
I love my TM Warthog (Serial #00016) that I purchased new over five years ago. I appreciate your honest, seemingly unbiased opinions. Thank you!
Thanks for the review, Lead.
Hoping to grab one of these in the future. Great video!
Hi Lead, I'm new in the Star Citizen universe (actually returned/reawakened interest).
I really appreciate your content. Very informative and helpful, thanks :)
Regards, Mark from Denmark
Great review. I feel better about sticking with my T1600m hotas setup since I only really play Star Citizen. I appreciate your input on not spending money if you don’t need to. But when I eventually play DCS I know I’m going with the Virpil setup as the Throttle seems the most versatile.
I’ve had my warthog for just under a year now and do not regret the purchase. Thinking about doing some upgrades though.
It really looks like a lot of fun. Is definitely worth considering to buy a jockstick. Probably great feeling to do space battles with it in SC.
This was helpful, thanks. I'm thinking I'll go with the Virpil for SC.
The one thing that really came to my mind watching this is that I love shiny tech stuff...And I definitely want one. However, I suspect my skill level doesn't justify the cost, (My reach exceeding my grasp). Outstanding content!!
When I was looking at changing my flight inputs I decided to go with the dual TM 16000 because of budget and thought that two sticks would be easier for 6-axis control over a stick and throttle. I have had to crack open one of them to clean the pot after it began to malfunction. So no matter the setup, sometimes we have to work on them
Great Review.. I have been a Thrustmaster guy my entire Sim flying career since 1995 with Falcon and Falcon 4 along with all the Janes Sims. I own TMS set, Cougar set as well as the Warthog HOTAS systems by Thrustmaster. Can never complain about there quality.
I know a lot of guys swear by WinWing stuff when it comes to quality but no one has a 10 year old WinWing set on their desk still in use today. Eager to try the new TQS WW put out, but I still have my TM16000 and despite moving to the FSSB for the stick, I won't get rid of my TM sets any time soon because I know they have the quality to last.
Very nice review video
Thanks for the review, learn much from it =)
I will say I have always been satisfied in using my Warthog since buying it in 2015 (and it’s on and off use throughout the years) with its only ware is also on the front cm hat where it feels mushy but I’m sure some cleaning is all that is required, although their is some left to be desired when I was flying in Elite/ flying in the dog fight model in SC back then, when it came to dcs and IL2 games I couldn’t see a better stick to use. I am happy that their are so many newer options to choose from like VirPil but even then I’m only looming at their additional upgrade kits that also don’t come with their base Hotas set ups as well to add some extra quality of life such as the arming and punching of drip tanks off a f-18 in dcs
Funny to see you had the same front CM hat issue. Yep - I am certainly satisfied with it but always looking towards something better I suppose.
great video Im about to try a stick setup for SC myself
You know I have been thinking about buying a flight kit for star citizen but its good to hear about other flight kits for other games. Gives a better idea about this stuff. Thanks!
Love the vids Lead!
That's a great perspective. I have always wondered if I should upgrade my t-1600s HOSAS. I think you have confirmed that I don't need to as I am currently a SC player. If in the future I am able to find the time to jump into the flight sim zone it will have to be reconsidered.
I’ve got one coming by the end of the month. I’ve been using an x52 for many years, though not for flight simulation. Jumping ship from X-Plane to DCS. What I find interesting is that when I ordered this, I starting looking at virpl panels because of all the switches on the throttle. I held off because I wasn’t sure, but if I had watched this, they would be on the way. Thanks for this review.
It's still mounted to my pit as I type!
Good review. Thx
Thanks for the review, I am more attracted to the Virpil offerings myself.
Looks like a nice setup! might confideer getting this
Nice Video, as always. :)
At the current price point for thrustmaster warthogs, I would look at virpil instead. I also cannot say I was very impressed with the build quality of the winwing stuff. Way too much silastic everywhere on the inside.
I know earlier WW stuff was rough, they've improved a lot from what others have told me. Waiting for their TQS to drop and I'll give them a try.
@@Leadnap Personally I am waiting for VKB's mythical throttle to arrive, with its electronic detents.
@@neonsamurai1348 I am too, *cough* *cough* 11 months later, we have still near to zero info on the thing. I want it cause I might get the vkb gladiator nxt or the warthog stick only
Yeah but on virpil u have to buy a Stick a base etc. just for a stick
Awesome review!
Nice review lg
I purchased a used Warthog stick and throttle back in 2015. I used them as is for near 5 years before biting on the Virpil bullet to upgrade my gimbal. The stick still works on the new gimbal, and you can even use Virpil software to spoof the device as the warthog still. This is important for the thing that Leadnap didn't touch on - the software. Yes, the switches on the throttle base can be problematic. Most of the time, game and sim software is expecting momentary impulses, which can make those non-momentary toggles difficult to map. With the software, it's possible to map the toggles such that flipping one on now sends a momentary pulse, and flipping it off sends a second one, allowing for easier mapping.
That said, it's more work, and not always a 100% solution. In the end, if you have the extra $300, get yourself the virpil stick amd throttle over spending 750 for the Warthog. But if you want a step up from the X56, and can get it for retail, or better used for like 300, it can last most users a long while.
Great review.
This will help the purchase decision. Thanks
Thanks for the review, although im not gonna get a hotas anytime soon its nice to explore!
I'd like to see more of this simpit you have rigged up, planning something myself and I'd love some inspiration!
Great I depth video ide say it is great for space sims the stick feel and weight is unmatched
Planning on getting one this week for Star Citizen War Thunder SB DCS and Msfs
Nice review. Would love to see how you've built your chair set up!
I've been documenting it, on the third revision now. Will certainly be doing a video and there is a whole part of the website documenting it (as well as providing dimensions/plans)
I’m really thinking about making the move to sticks. I think I’m going to dual stick, but regardless, your video is great for a heads up on some good quality equipment.
Had a friend who owned one of these, one of the coolest feeling HOTASs out there, always really wish I had the extra money for one.
Awesome review. Sticking to kbm confirmed. To each their own.
The trigger detent is much improved in the F/A-18C grip, or at least in mine. My base also had a bottom plate when I fitted it to my frame. I use the stock detent with F/A-18, it just needs custom curves set in DCS, and then remove the detent entirely for Star Citizen. The split throttle is incredibly helpful for DCS too. Agree about the unused switches though - I use more in Star Citizen than in DCS! Anyhow, I enjoyed the video, thank you for sharing
Glad to hear the -18 stick is better, and that they added a plate to the bottom of the base.
I personally have the X55 and I have to agree that a real ballmount is far superior. But I really love that it has a z axis. But I am thinking about replacing it with a tm16000 with a second stick and pedals for SC.
Excellent review! I've been looking for peripherals to spice up my SC experience. I know folks swear by HOTAS/HOSAS set ups. I've been happy so far with keyboard and mouse but there are limitations I just can't work around with it.
You have to be careful though - HOTAS in SC can make some things harder to do. However if you're looking for that spice, this is certainly a way to do it.
I bet you can’t fight competitive after you switched to a HOTAS. Remember the other players just need to point and click when you need to use your feed together with your stick to kick ass. I had the same dream back then and regretted because the Warthog is a totally different beast best used for DCS where you fight 3 finger keyboard combinations in 3 different layers. Pressing shift+alt+w ain’t fun so you need your warthog there. If you really want to try it out, buy yourself a cheap 6 axes HOTAS first before spending that much for a feeling you may don’t have in SC.
This looks so cool, wish I had this
I have been contemplating some kind of HOTAS setup for a while~
Never played SC with joysticks, but it seems awesome to work with all those vectors
To get the complete experience you need pedals since this does not have a twist. Given that and the binding issues would go for the Virpil options if money weren’t an issue then you could get “same brand” pedals.
Very good video, 1thumbs up! At the time of the video, some of the comment around price here relevant, but few months later, the throttle came back to normal. At least in Europe. I don't think 700+ USD is a normal price. Scalpers have done their work last year. Woyuld be interesting to have a solid comparision with the Vuirpil mangoost though?
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I respect anyone who's put in the time learning joysticks. I've tried, got way too frustrated.
I've had a Warthog for years. The main gripe was the stiction and centring of the joystick base. Even after stripping and greasing it wouldn't allow me to input fine adjustments as when I'd try and air-to-air refuel. Problem solved by getting a Virtpil WarBRD base, which is a light year better. The throttle is heavy because it has a couple of thick metal plates in the box. I've not had a problem with mapping switches in other DCS modules. I've no intention of replacing anything in the forseeable future unless something dies.
I got a x55 years ago. Couldn't get the x52. But playing elite dangerous with it was awesome. :) Still have to set it up for star citizen. :)
Amazing review, best one I've seen. I bought the throttle to pair with the VKB Gladiator NXT and I intend to use it in DCS(F-16). Any tips on how to map it? Thank you
As I currently only play Star Citizen, I bought two VKB sticks. So far, so good, but it's only been a few weeks.
Not much interested in a hotas but the production value is top notch! Keep it up!
Thanks for the review! even if it is out of my price range.
Today maybe, but someday you might want one!
I've been playing flight sims since FS95 and I've played a lot of DCS over the years. I coudln't imagine my flying fun without the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog setup. WIth that being said, I paid nowhere near the original $500 plus and I got mine brand new so I would wait for a price drop as it's not exactly worth the $800+ range. Unfortunately everything is expensive right now but I would still wait.
Mine just showed up today. Im so happy. Lol
Owned the TM Warthog since 2011, very light use so I can't speak to wear and tear.
It's definitely outdone by newer HOTAS premium systems but still manages to not be entirely outclassed entirely in terms of value and usage. I had a tough time justifying even considering a new HOTAS setup over my Warthog because I do prefer accurate modeling, though I also don't want to have a bunch of extra equipment lying around so i need to strike a balance of being able to "reuse" some stuff across different jets or helis.
Don't get me wrong. Virpil's throttle has some serious appeal. If I were hard committed to a single throttle grip + base that is the most capable, it is hands down the best -- even capable of doing everything needed for the F-16 throttle (maybe not for the speed brake). I also think the slider on the throttle grip is the best control for zooming in DCS. And it has more than enough controls for everything else on the base -- maybe shy of an extra slider from the Orion/2 base. Feet to the fire, I must only own one, but I fly F-16, Ka-50, A-10C, and F/A-18? Virpil is it.
Why I prefer Winwing as a replacement is because I'd rather hard commit to supporting the throttle (or collective) grip well for a given platform, and map for the others I don't have. Even better with Winwing -- all of those aircraft have grips I can swap in! The Winwing Orion2 F16EX combo price is too good to pass up and the F16 throttle grip is super unique. The F16EX stick is very close to the TM Warthog stick visually, but the F16EX stick adds a lot that'll allow more flexible mappings to the Ka-50 than the A-10/F/A-18 joysticks I have from Thrustmaster right now. To summarize what I'll have with owning two HOTASs:
A-10C: TM Warthog throttle and stick vanilla (100% control accurate)
F-16C: Winwing Orion2 throttle, either F16EX and TM A-10 (both sticks are 100% control accurate, EX has extra)
F/A-18C: TM Warthog throttle + F/A-18C grip (remap situation so different layout, but 100% F/A-18 HOTAS coverage as the F/A-18 TM joystick adds a control missing from the Warthog throttle...I think TM knew this which is why they added it)
KA-50: TM Warthog throttle + F16EX grip (complete remap situation, but KA
With Winwing, it's a simple purchase of the KA-50 collective grip on the same base should I care for the collective experience. Though I've flown it a lot, I don't care about an accurate cyclic stick for the KA-50. If I'm picky about the F/A-18 throttle grip, that's just another grip on the Orion2 base. Is it more money? Yeah...but saves me time thinking about remapping and improves my overall end experience.
The Taurus looks Amazing :)
I went for a Virpil/warthog setup, im also commenting for the competition :P as im wanting to start into SC
When the price drops to reasonable levels I might consider it.
The switch problem also lies withing the DCS modules. Some are less user friendly, and some more (jets). You can set those switches no problem. The biggest complain (like lots of guys) is the flightstick grease and overall stiffness. It leads to jerky inputs. The stick itself is great, the base is what's garbage. You end either with other base (Virpil or VKB) or completely regrease it. Overall great piece of hardware apart of the base.
Nice setup
I had the T.16000M v1 from 2012 or so when I lived in Russia. Upgraded to the Space Sim Duo pack in December 2020. My Duo right stick is more worn out than than the v1 that I used from when I bought it until Dec 2020. Disappointed in the reduction in quality. Had the old Thrustmaster F-16 in the 90s so I'd love to have a Duo combo that's better than the T16k but not $500+ per hand... If I could afford it, and Thrustmaster made it, a mirrored pair of Warthogs would be awesome.
This HOTAS looks amazing.
I had it myself 3 years ago and while it was fun to use and felt high quality, it didn't up the fun as much as I hoped for the price tag. There are so few good HOTAS and sticks on the market that it is hard to find one that fits ones own personal needs. The Warthog wasn't it for me.
Looks gooooood 👌
haven't gotten on to the hosas life yet but i really want to
Man I wish I could afford a set up like this!
A dream hotas for sure.
It would be nice if TR would update the software allowing a software wrapper for the switches so there could be more choices on how the switch works.
It is a pity that VKBs throttle is postponed again and again. I have 2 Gladiator NXT for Star Citizen and for the price, they are exceptional sticks! A straight upgrade over my old X52 Pro. For space sims I cannot recommend them highly enough. That is all I can contribute, since I never owned a Warthog and do not play atmosphere-bound flight sims ;-)
If you like the Viper and want a Force sensing stick check out the RealSimulator R3L base and their F16 grip it like the real feel of the Viper. I have both TM Hotas if stck in center position for the Hornet and Tomcat and have the RealSimulator R3L base and Viper stick on the side.
Just can’t believe the prices these days it’s crazy.
My dream setup
My friend was thinking about getting one
Wanted to grab one of these with Elite vr
Good review.
Thanks!
@@Leadnap I am purposely waiting a year or more to buy a good setup for star citizen..so these long term reviews are awesome
@@haze.x3342 glad they serve you well! I hate getting stuff reviews said were good only to a month later see they didn't stand up. Downside is it takes a long time to put reviews out as a result, but I prefer telling people when stuff lasts.
Good video
How I missed this video, I do not know
I can't wait for the tech of vr in the future imagine if you have vr goggles and play SC to get the feel you're really flying a space ship and that just like with other vr games when you move your hands the character in-game does too but that comes with time I guess :/
We're almost there
I am really just looking to fly helicopters and play space sims like elite dangerous.
Would you suggest I grab the Warthog stick and another throttle unit and rudder pedals?
The deadzone of the logix56 seems to be a issue for very delicate controls. Any suggestions?
Prices are a bit crazy at the moment for me to justify this purchase, but great review.. also looking at the VKB Gladiator for SC.
About $540 full set now. Might grab one!
If the Warthog had three axies and was offered in dual stick left/right that would be my pick. But because of lack of these features I will have to dish out more cash on a VKB or Virpil.
For a F16 fan. Wich one you recomend for a bigger immersion? I never saw before this virpil and winwing. I'd just saw this orion hotas 2 f16 viper from winwing. Thats good as it looks to be?
i am a long way from that but maybe one day i will enjoy somthing similar
I don't want to sound rude, but the button problem goes away when you start using the other premium feature of the stick, the TARGET profile software, which although atrocious, is still the bees knees for customization. I think you missed the point there.
The warthog combo for me in sweden cost 420 dollar new. I was looking at all the other brands(virpil etc). But the shipping cost and taxes is insane. So i Will get this combo and i only fly mfs2020 so i think i Will be happy with it 👋
Just saw today Thrustmaster has some announcements for new HOTAS later this year
Having just ordered this HOTAS before watching your video, (yep, wrong way around I know), surely in MSFS you can program what the individual buttons do on the throttle? Furthermore, should I take the plunge with dcs too? Would love to land on a carrier in VR!
I always wanted to try Star Citizen with a joystick.. Hope i one day can :)