Manual vs DSG | VW Golf R 2018 310ps
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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To our surprise our new Lapiz Blue VW Golf R demo is a manual, not DSG as expected! This put Dave's clutch and gearstick skills to the test in an ultimate Manual VS DSG test.
Don't forget to click the i in the corner and vote in our poll: What's better on the Golf R, Manual or DSG?
We also digged deep into the Driving Mode in this Golf R as it was set in individual mode... not Eco, Normal or Race.
Let us know in the comments section what Driving Mode you use!
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3:49 Should we do a little pull?
Yea, what are we pollin' ? 😂
I bought my 2018 Golf R in Manual...I have a DSG in our Tiguan R and I’d take my Manual any day of the week!!!
Manuals will definitely be missed!
I'll happily trade off a marginally quicker launch time for a more immersive driving experience.
Good thinking - comfort over speed!
Marginally? The dsg is way faster stock for stock and gets roughly 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 with FBOs
I just drove a manual Golf R and the clutch and gearbox were a disappointment. Both felt light and far from a “sports” car (or a 300hp hot hatch). I’ll try the DSG to see if I could live with an auto (first time for me) because I really want to buy a Golf R. If the DSG isn’t of my liking I’ll have to give it a second chance to the manual...
I’m drive a Mini and the gearbox, clutch and steering feel a lot more sporty than on the Golf. But when you floor it there’s no doubt who’s got the power, what a crazy thing! The traction is awesome!
They do that on purpose I think to make it easier to daily
Definitely manual - even if it was more expensive than dsg
Manual is cheaper less technology
They don’t hold their value at all. Go automatic
I prefer manual for safety and control reasons.
I just got a 2016 golf GTI DSG and I'm worried about the transmission holding up I feel that sometimes I have been creeping in traffic
The simple way I decide if I want Manual vs Dual Clutch is that it's entirely car dependent. If I am going to be a do everything car meaning drive it daily,get groceries, etc and I just want to have a bit of fun at times, then DSG. If its a special weekend toy, where I drive strictly for enjoyment, canyon carving, and track days then manual.
I'm test driving my first golf r today and it's a manual also. Can't wait to drive it
Manual transmission
I love my Manual gti but sit in traffic a lot so wish I went for dsg now.
Especially with new features in the Adaptive Cruise Control. There's always next time!?
I thought it would be a pain in the arse with a manual, but to be honest i don't even realize it's there. And being able to boot it with a 3rd pedal it feels more driver orientated, dsg is too video gamey for me.
DSG....All the way...... Race mode all the time........great video's guy's wanna see launch control in the golf r please.........
We'll line up a launch control video 👍
Love my manual R best car ive owned
DSG - first automatic car in 30 years! Absolutely love it. Generally in D mode if stuck in traffic. S if the road opens up and sometimes in full manual with the paddles. Or a combination of all! 😀 race mode if the road is clear 😈 🚙
It's great how you can change the feel of the car - always desperate to get into race mode.
Definitely manual. turn on and smile all the way. A sublime car.
I agree the manual is 'traditionally' the driver’s car, but as soon as you try the DSG you will probably be very surprised! I never thought I’d prefer an auto but after having owned both DSG then manual I have to say it’s DSG all the way. The manual just feels slow and clunky after living with the DSG. BUT (and a big but) the reason I moved to manual is that the DSG started playing up and that really scared me because there is no cheap fix for a faulty DSG out of warranty, and I hear other people having similar problems - so if you’re keeping the car past its manufacturers warranty period then I’d think twice about the DSG.
Interesting thoughts - thanks for commenting.
MrArchie800 Totally agree. Add extended warranty or mechanic's fund costs to the dsg and it becomes less attractive a value. These are lease-mobiles here in Montreal.
I have just ordered mine. I have 11 weeks left til I get it delivered from the dealers! I can't ****ing wait!
We bet you can't! You'll have to let us know how it is.
Manual Transmission never gets old! DSG is one of the best automatic transmission out there, however it's prone to having problems.... and being jerky at low speed. A lot of the mk5 that had DSGs have lost a lot of their resale value because nobody wants them especially if you want to tune it. I have a 6 speed manual GTI and I love it! Even with heavy traffic, I still love it, because it's so easy to change gears. You are always engaged with the car! Always listening to the engine rev to make that perfect shift...If you want 💯 driving involvement and a better resale value, then go for a Manual GTI/R.
stick shift or nothing at all brother !!
Manual
I bought a DSG over a manual as it's quicker, eventhough I previously despised autos. DSG is fine for everyday driving. For the commute in the morning I am in ECO as it coasts down hill, but the drive back is in race 😁. Anything with the family is in Comfort.
Racing away from work, or racing home? 😅
Is it less economical with DSG? I never driven auto before, only manual.
KariahLuke CHAN so it really depends how you drive it. DSG will change gears at the most optimum point, depending on what mode it's in. I am averaging 30mpg at the moment. In ECO it has cylinder deactivation and so hypermils along. So I would say DSG over manual.
KariahLuke CHAN z
I've found my dsg is more economic in drive/normal than eco. I think this is down to the gearing in eco and my drive style maybe. It's in race mode and then I leave it in drive when I restart, with it only going into full sport more using the gear stick quick change mode when I need it. I'm getting 33/34 mpg to work and over 30mpg home
I test drives both. Manual is more driver focused but sorry. DSG won for me. When your spending 40k ur investing in an item. Manual ones don't hold there money as well. Also dsg is the future. I chose DSG
DSG is the only way to go for the future of self-driving cars, so a lot of people are getting newer features with them already.
I'm wondering what the cost is to replace the DSG when it dies in year seven.
acchaladka Mine died after nearly 5 years in a 2013 Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI at nearly 270,000 km. Its a taxi in Dublin and cost €4,500 to replace and they took ten days to replace it. Its a 7 speed dry clutch DSG.
If you got a Golf R & driving it in Eco, you have been wasting your money on the wrong car! Its as simple as that!
Yep!
3DFX no not really, if I'm just cruising down the highway, or in traffic, why have the car in race mode, or if I'm just going for a quick run to the store not feeling like gunning it there. Eco mode is awesome cause you can have the best of both worlds performance when you want it, fuel economy when you want it.
What’s wasting your money is filling up on fuel every 10 yards because you go every where in dynamic mode. There’s a time and a place for sport modes and cruising down a street at 30mph in second gear Revving at 6000 rpm isn’t one of them haha iv got an Audi s3 and it’s unbearable driving around normally in sport mode. Eco or comfort modes gives you the best of both worlds
Which one is better with a fuel consumption, DSG or manual ??
Dsg
I currently drive a manual Scirocco R (2015) . Engaging yes , but worst gearbox I’ve ever used . Got my new Scirocco R being delivered next week but DSG . Looking forward to a more smooth and refined drive.
You'll love the DSG!
I purchased the manual R. I did because the more involved you are in the driving of the car the more rewarding it is when it's done properly. A DSG is not as involved we all know this. Also, the DSG is faster but that matters only to the owners ego or on a racetrack.
The advantage of the DSG is tech.Automatic transmissions are the future. The manufacturer can fine tune the experience in ways no manual can ever be.
I've only ever owned manual transmissions. So traffic is not an issue for me either. Manual is all I know. I'll miss them when eventually I _have to_ switch.
The few modes that I have on my 2016 make very little difference. I don't have DCC. The engine mode does nothing noticeable. The steering mode makes a slight difference. I'm not sure why there is an option for how much the lights react... Lastly the soundactor is the most significant change in the different modes. On the individual mode I turn the engine sound to normal and engine to normal. However, I pretty much just keep the car in race. The modes make too little difference to mess with them.
Id go dsg but i have full respect to anyone that chooses manual.
DSG all the way for me!
Manual all day. If it's not fast enough, i'll just make it fast enough
DSG better all round imo. I've had Audi A3 then Golf GTI over the last 10 years. Dsg improving all the time, 7 speed best yet.
Golf R estate for me next as the best all round car for the money. Ticks all the boxes.
Great vids guys. Keep at it.
The DSG is seriously impressive now, especially with new features in the Adaptive Cruise Control.
7 speed may be the best - BUT the most reliable is 6 Speed! Glad i got that on my GTI Clubsport!
3DFX People forget that replacement costs and servicing can influence the decision. Ever see the cost of a new manual transmission vs dsg? Not even close.
Manual always. My R is a manual
All These Golf R videos.. Everyone is Driving a Automatic .. I guess thats what everyone whats, now-n-days.. Personally if i'm gonna pay alot of money for a sports -type car/Hot-Hatch ,, Then that Car has to be a Manual !! ( Seriously their so much funnier)... I drive a big 4x4 auto all day, and thats boring enough ..
A lot of people are swaying more towards automatic models now for the comfort aspect, but we agree that manual cars can be a more fun drive.
Not many people now how to drive manual anymore, it is a lost art, or they have a lot of stop and go traffic, and all of the car maker ads and reviews are constantly pointing out dsg is faster with computer aided launch control.
They do not mention more maintenance and way more replacement cost of course.
SO not even the car makers push manual in marketing anymore, except when filming their video ads, they usually show manual to show driver involvement.
I’m very close to buying a 2018 Golf R in Canada. I’ve been looking at resale prices for 5-yr old models, and all other things equal, they hold similar resale value...
Every car I’ve owned was manual, so I’m thinking of going with the standard version despite the acceleration difference. But I need to know, does the manual gearbox version get the same popping exhaust noise? Also, does anyone know if the Canadian edition will have the 310hp engine for 2019?
As far as I can tell, the standard manual gearbox does not pop like the DSG gearbox.
Manual transmission is clearly better if you want to “feel” the car. However it’s also dependent where you live. In San Francisco with the hills and horrendous traffic, I would say DSG makes better sense...however....
Totally agree....In the UK the traffic can be so stop/start an automatic is soooo much easier to drive.
Had the manual R and now have the GTI 245 DSG. Manual all the way for me even with the traffic.
What made you switch to DSG with the GTI?
Stable Lease got an absolutely ridiculous deal. Should have gone with the manual though. Still a brilliant car though
I have a mazda 3 mps and do a lot of peak hour highway driving and I want a golf r but as much as I like manual my left calf muscle is already too big I’ll have to go dsg
I’m a geezer, like old school and the sensation a manual with a real stick and clutch gives me.... really turns me on, almost as much as my old school Nokia 6230.... yea cant beat old Skool LMFAO....... give me a DSG anytime.
Manual afd for me. I personally take the money I saved on the DSG and buy a stage 1 chip to negate the difference in 0-60 times between the two tramsmissions..
Darian Fairclough Not that good idea. The clutch of the manual Golf can't take much more power than the standard number. So you will need an uprated clutch eventually. So, more money spent. The dsg can cope with much more power than the manual without any mods.
pokest225 stage 2+ requires an uprated clutch. Look at the specs, and anyhow I'd rather put money into a beefier clutch considering I will probably like to get into stage 2+ modding as well, to pass 400 bhp. When you get into modding both of them the difference in speed becomes negligible and more a function of how much money you put into either car. Given that, and since I prefer a more interactive car, standard.
well said, so for the same money manual is faster :)
Tigerex966 wrong. Dsg is nearly 2 seconds faster in the qtr with FBOs compared to manual with FBOs.
source please as darian makes a good case for the manual, even vw chose the lighter manual for its nurburgring runs.
I have the Mk4 R32 with DSG, and i love that gearbox ;)
Siiiiiick
and it is in the real Deep blue metallic R' color to ;) I Fucking love this car :D he he
I never knew they did the MK4 R32 with a DSG! All 200 imported to Australia were manual.
They only made 500.....I think only for Europe !
first car ever to have it. At the time high end supercars didn't even use that technology.
DSG all day it's a no brainer! Fully auto in race mode with the gb in sport is unbelievably quick but you can push it in to manual and either use your paddles or the stick sequential style. I love manuals, my S2000 was probably the most fun I've ever had but my R is DSG and I definitely wouldn't change it.
Had a manual R on a 1 year lease, loved the car except for the gearbox, now have a GTI DSG on a 2 year lease, like the car but love the gearbox, for me the R with DSG would be the perfect combination
I am old school & in your last statement, would I drive a DSG or an Auto? Golf R 370hp stage 1 tune in Manual transmission for me avoids ever being bored & sleeping at the wheel giving such joy of pointing such a great car in having pure 'Driving Experience' Drive this car properly & she will serve you well. If you ever decide in life going to stage 2 with the illegal decat & No legal MOT. You may have to consider a Nissan modified GTR 35. What is most important in your life?
I just test drove both of them back to back yesterday. I feel like the manual is more engaging/fun but I know DSG is quicker and would be nice in traffic. I'm torn!
It's DSG all the way for me....too much traffic for a manual!
That sound is from the speakers in the car
I didn't go for the sun roof because I felt I would never use it! Do you think I missed out?
Some people love it, some people hate it. We think it's a great addition, but can think of other extras to spend our money on as well.
Roof. I love how it creates a light airy space rather than a dark dingy place.
You don’t have to open it. But it’s nice that it creates an open feeling. On summer cruising days it’s just even better. If too hot, close it.
Daily driver dsg, weekend toy manual.
Best of both worlds - haha!
daily driver manual, weekend toy manual, best of both worlds, leave the computer assists for your smart phone.
Let me drive the car, soon self driving will take out dsg for the fastest and there will be no use for drivers.
I want to be more involved in the driver, aside from bumper to bumper traffic where dsg wins, but they could install a bumper to bumper mode in a manual if they wanted to.
I personally would like dsg paddles working with a clutch that has adjustable rates from light to heavy for tje true best of both worlds.
Got one coming on Friday and it's definitely DSG for me
Great to hear it Dave, enjoy them DSG farts 😏
Right guys new T-shirt design has a golf R Estate with the words "If your gonna do it, do it!"
Good idea! Thanks for sharing.
I had a 16 Golf R DSG Lapiz Blue, with the DSG. It got boring. Go manual all the way. I traded it for a BMW 128i 6MT, not as fast, but as Chris Harris says, there’s no substitute for a rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated 6 with a manual. Yes I miss the newness, the sheer quickness, and tech of the R, but the on demand rear drive vs all time rear drive and DSG coupled with electric steering- honestly, dulled the driving experience.
Interesting insight, thanks Jonathan!
I thought ACC was adaptive chassis control? Appears on all R’s regardless of whether it’s fitted or not....
Not many people know how to drive manual anymore, it is a lost art, or they have a lot of stop and go traffic, and all of the car maker ads and reviews are constantly pointing out dsg is faster with computer aided launch control.
They do not mention more maintenance and way more replacement cost of course.
SO not even the car makers push manual in marketing anymore, except when filming their video ads, they usually show manual to show driver involvement.
I wouldn't say not many people know how to drive manual - definitely not the case in Britain. It's going more that way though.
definitely the case here in the usa, also diesel cars are few and far between, it all depends where you live i guess
@@StablevehiclecontractsCoUk us a that is the case must drivers at the driving schools also do not know how to drive manuals except for the big rigs
DSG launch control baby and also that lapiz blue is the trademark im sorry when something has a trademark there's no changing
Manual. To prove it... I actually purchased a 2016 Golf R with a manual.
Manual All Day , When DSG goes wrong its thousands to fix !!
If anything, I think manual box owners miss out a bit on the full features of the Golf, like the adaptive cruise control works really well on the DSG setup and also the engine modes between, Eco, Normal and Race as the gear changes are very different pending the setting, where a manual box is always down to the driver to change gear differently, so many say the engine settings make little difference which makes sense.....
So although the DSG is more money you do get more features besides auto gear changing.
Exhaust noise is a different track with the DSG from the quick shifting etc.
Thanks for your comment!
I have a Mk7.5 R with a DSG. Personally, I USED to use it in individual with everything set to race apart from the engine noise which was set to Eco, purely because the noise you hear is coming from the "magic hockey puck" sound adjudicator. But, after some research I found that the only way all four exhaust flaps work is having it in race mode unless you modify the coding, I stopped using individual mode and just keep it in race.
MPG between eco and race... not that drastically different.
Feel between eco and race... vast, if you notice the different weighting to the steering wheel, and the throttle response.
Must admit, I am thinking back quite a way as I had mine remapped three months after buying.
On the argument of DSG vs Manual, take away the clutch and use it like a manual, the flappy paddles are a bit strange to get used to but the shift is incredible with the DSG. I unfortunately have to use 'auto' boxes due to a several mangled left leg, but I love my R. The gearbox is a work of art and the motor is fantastic. Not long ago mine went down the SantaPod 1/4mi in 11.9s, that's stock internals just a remap and tweaked suspension. Manuals were not keeping up at all.
Thanks for the comment Jason, some great information there! I normally drive in Individual mode with everything set to Eco except for the gearbox which is in D as I don't like the coasting. I've just driven to work in Race except for the gearbox in D instead of S and got the exact same MPG!
DSG far superior. I have DSG in my remapped Octavia 1.4 TSI. Wouldn't touch a manual again for ownership but do drive manual pool cars at work.
If it’s your weekend car manual if it’s used a fair bit the dsg is a great all rounder and faster, and better fuel 7 speed
I had a 2017 GTI with a manual and it was a good manual, nice and smooth and the clutch was nice to work too. but the DSG is such a good transmission, I think I'd go with that one.
Interesting thoughts! We agree, you can still get some serious gear changes in a DSG too.
"Real men use 3 pedals"
In the end Manual will save you a lot in service maintenance, that DSG maintenance is EXPENSIVE, if you treat every light as a drag strip or if you are an American get the DSG.
Manny Echaluce I'm looking at dsg wv golf do you think i should buy it or go
There should be only one mode , love golfs but my ultimate car is a escort cosworth
Ive got this dsg!
How do you like it?
Dsg for daily, for fun manual, but then again for track times dsg!
2 DSG vs 1 Manual. Haha.
did not vw choose manual for track times when they attempt to set records, for lighter weight, higher top speed, more driver control and interaction?
straightline lauch control dsg.
so why did vw choose a manual for the golf nurburing, maybe with a professional driver and all of those curves the manual and lighter weight helped, but not in straightline launching?
Not everyone can use that extra weight reduction. Acceleration in the same gear won't change either.
@@Tigerex966 the clubsport S doesn't come with a DSG it is manual only that's why and weight difference is only 60 lbs not a major factor. I still think manual is funner though.
Are they Yorkshire lads?
Liverpool & Manchester
In the end of the day. Dsg is just boring. It is good and fast. But boring. Manual all the way.
Clutch in these cars is SO light. Traffic should be no problem. My GTI has clutch like feather. Almost too much.
I've had DSG gearboxes on a variety of VAG cars...they are great if you do a lot of urban driving or m'way crawling...but I hate that you have to put them into neutral in order to come to a halt smoothly..and I don't trust them (in front wheel drive cars) when you have to pull out of a junction/onto a roundabout when there is very little margin for error. I currently have a Porsche Mecan S with PDK..I'd say it's better than DSG but would still pay a premium for a manual gearbox...and certainly not the other way around!!
My wife has an Audi S1...manual 6 speed box...guess which car I want to drive? ☺
PS.Lapiz blue is The Golf R colour IMHO
Thanks for your comment - really interesting!
DSG for me. I've driven manual for years and always preferred it for a sporty drive, however after driving an R with the DSG I was sold, it's just a beautifully shifting tranny. Plus you can always use the paddles in manual mode.
That's a good way of thinking about it!
where's the "GO" mode ?
Bought the Tornado Red DSG
Nice Golf R spec James!
manual all day long!!!
DSG personal car in lapiz blue
The Golf R is Excellent In its Manual formation especially in STG1 format & it will pull very strong all the way in all its rather low gearing. The gears are really short & are a hoot in and around town etc which is fine. I would not consider this car to anyone to be a 'Top Cruiser' as my 2008 Saab 9-3 turbo 6 speed manual convertible would cruise easily at 100mph at 3K revolutions or 120mph at 4k revolutions. I am not a big fan of fast Automatic mobility scooters & always very much enjoy the pure driving experience of manual transmission. I am only saying this comment because I own both because together they have there own purpose which I would say as Horses for courses etc........
I bought not leased a golf R manual my budget was 20k and yea the dsg is slightly quicker from the off but after purcashing the manual would I buy another manual defo...it's my second car and it was bought as a play toy..for me I love manual I drive auto vans for work...and as it's my toy the sound of a manual against a dsg it's a no win for the dsg sorry lazy auto fans manual sounds way better can't stand the auto sound and worse still when people pay a grand to make that dull sound louder...personal preference but sorry just not mine so manual all the way....
Thanks for your insight! Cheers for commenting.
DSG GOLF R THE BEST
You know it!
Manual for me far more engaging and fun.
Fair enough!
DSG for the speed and all important DSG farts when flooring it hahahaha
Another great video and very informative. I didn't know about the race mode for the ACC. Sounds fun!
DSG farts! Hahaha.
Stable Lease you know it!
You look like Kirk from Coronation St if he hadn't hit a bunch of ugly branches on the way down.
Not sure whether to be flattered or offended, haha!
Six Six 😂😂😂😂
Leave my golf r in normal mode and now and then put it in race just to hear the noise..
Manual.
Dsg!!
Hot hatches and manuals go hand in hand. Its a no brainer for the true petrol head.
golf r with a roof ? i thought gti's only did that bro ?
Depends where you're from!
Automatics pah may as well drive a milk float
DSG all day long !
Whoop
manual all the way for me.. #RealDriver
It's definitely more fun to drive manual in our opinion, but comfortable to drive auto.
does manual transmission negate certain options like adaptive cruise control..?
No
actualy i think you can't have the launch control with the manual
You're right, but you can still put your pedal to the metal 😈
I'll never get the time back I just wasted watching this :(
Ha!
guys i can`t wt to see gti R
I'm scouting for one of these. Based on what I've read, the manual can't handle engine tunes as well. Thoughts? If true. DSG all the way
Depends how you drive it in manual!
It's true. The clutch can't handle much more than standard power. Eventually, you will need an uprated clutch. The dsg can cope with more power, as it can apply more pressure to the clutches.
I’m sick of driving manual been driving manual since 1994
A lot of People switch over because of driving manual too long
Dsg all day
Couple of things.
1. The autohold function plays a part when in traffic. Makes a manual more like the DSG.
2.With the manual you need to make sure the Turbo is spooled to get the boost.
I have the manual and love it.
If you get the changes right it will reward you.
I suppose it's that driver participation you guys were talking about.
Thanks for your input! Good to know!
You'd have to pay me to drive auto and even then I still might not do it. Been driving manual for 9 straight years and LOVE IT. My dd is manual and my weeknd sports car is manual.
Have you ever tried auto though?
Stable Lease ofcourse i have. No control over the car and extremely boring. Car does all the work. All you do is has, brake, and steer
Bought an R with dsg and will never buy a manual again
I think you deviated from main topic. but Good
What wanker settings , fuck me I own one and who cares about all that shit , the fuel economy is irrelevant its a pissy 4 cylinder anyway , its not a big block chev getting 8miles to the gallon, christ I can thrash my Golf its got stage 2 on it and still gets over 450k a tank and if you drive in economy mode it still returns 600k a tank with DSG. Worrying about all the settings is such a wank, oput them on full tilt every setting, if you arent wanting the power , buy a Gti
Manual all day
I must be getting old and lazy LOL
Dsg
Good choice! I think we agree!
DSG
why am I getting a 'single muslim?' dating advert on this video?
Ads depend on what you have previously viewed 😃
lmao nice one
Manual
comfort mode!!