"It's not the style that matters , it's the artist"- when it comes to comparing and analyzing what is the 'best ' style, remember it is the artist that truly determines its effectiveness as a martial art. Learning a style for health and meditation is not exactly the same as learning it for combat application.
there is no style , there is no form All there is becomes clear when you ask a real warrior , battle tested and sad at the violence they commited It's simple It's expression of the human body through motion Any expression is beneficial The real masters don't simply mimic the movements of the teacher Maybe that's how it starts We achieve serenity and create art once we stop mimicry and start creating art When I'm practicing Wudang Dan Jian or Tai He Quan Or any form really , I'm creating art I'm adding in motions without thinking , flowing and expressing my body with the Spirit of ancients before me that are alive once again through my movements The animals stop They watch They are mesmerized by my motion One time I was practicing Tai He Dao without a sword in my hand I added in spins and I added in footwork that I couldn't replicate if I tried This is Art , The Art Of Expressing The Human Body Through Motion Living, breathing poetry of The Warrior
There's not much real Wu-Don art to be found on RUclips. This is Wu-Shu (War Art.) This set is based on Jiang style Pa-Kua, which is "new" Pa-Kua. Cheng, or Yin-Fu is the "old" Pa-Kua. Fu style Pa-Kua is also of the "new" Pa-Kua. My favorite is Jiang style (it has a lot of Hsing-I in it,) having also learned Cheng, Yin-Fu, Fu, and the Basic Palm Change set. I think the Basic, or "old" set is as close to the original system we are going to see anymore of what Tung-Hai Chuan did.
Can you comment on Sun Style bagua please? I have learned the Sun Style long form as it is my favorite Tai Chi style and now am interested in Sun Style bagua. Where does that fit in with these other bagua styles? Do you have any opinion of it? Thank you
If this master is so well versed in this style, No: 1 why did he get so many thumbs down ? No 2: Isnt bagua zhang supposed to be more like a dragon or anaconda moves, meaning the body has to be more fluid, soft n yet feel powerful? This master movement is tooooo stiff in changing part... the twisting n turning very hard not really soft pliable .... just my two-rmb opinion.
@@nobodyshere5994 Well, it was claimed it was "classical Bagua", but I think that was just a name given to it because the teacher didn't know the correct name. Nevertheless, it very closely resembles the form I was taught.
Can someone experienced please time the sequences of movements? Where do they start and end and how many are there. For example: Exercise 1. 00:01 - 00:05
not an original wudang form but simply a reworking of Jiang rong chiao form created in 1950s. Hopefully not being rmisepresented as original wudang mountain form
What he's doing is called the Lion Step. The Mud Walking is too difficult for many who want to do a lot of flashy moves. There is also the Chicken Step, where the feet are picked up high and thrust forward; very useful in a "real" fight. Stomping the opponent's knee is against the rules in MMA. The Mud Walking Step is sometimes perverted into what one of my fellow students used to call the Opera Step; it has a long slide before you root. A real mud step is difficult to do while maintaining a smooth travel. You can see lots of Opera Step walking on RUclips. The practitioner is always jerking forward, but the long steps look cool. The Loin Step is popular among real Pa-Kua fighters.
TaiChiGhost As a pa kua begginer myself I knew about the mud walking and the chicken step but I never heard of the lion step. What are the principles of that walking? I'm sure that's because I'm not experienced enough but I don't see what is the basic principle of this steping type aside from him staying at the same hight which is a base principle in all types of walking in pa kua. To me it looks like he is simply walking low.
The lion step puts the heel down first, which makes for a fast weight transfer. It is like an ordinary step, on the outside, but you still have to drill down into the ground with your Yong-Chien (pardon the misspelling.) That is the acupuncture point (Kidney 1) which is called The Bubbling Well. When you're doing standing meditation, it feels like you're standing on a wet Fizzie. It's located in the cleft of the ball of the foot.
yes My Teacher explained ( in the 70's) that this form was actually a hybrid form that contain some of the animals of Hsing yi. movments. However.... the Master doing this moves beautifully and with true Pa Kua Body. Just for Comparison see ruclips.net/video/_HnWLj_GSCs/видео.html and you can compare and see this is the same form.... Jiang Rongqiao's form.... interesting no.?
@@charlesbetancourt7337 why should he because air bending is inspired by ba gua zhang not by boxing Even though korra does use boxing techniques for air bending
@@charlesbetancourt7337 The comment was in reference to a cartoon "Avatar The Last Airbender", in which the four element bending styles are based on Chinese martial arts, and the airbending in the series was based on Baguazhang. It was not meant as an insult.
So what is the origin of Wudang baguazhang did the lineage come from one of Dong Haichuan's students? Looks like an offshoot of Cheng style baguazhang with moves from tai chi and other styles added in.
багуа это супер, блестящее очень эффективное искусство, не ради коммерции как сейчас на западе а именно искусство развития личности по всем направлениям и довольно грозное 👋
То, что вы говорите - лишь набор сомнительных прокламаций, не подкреплённых доказательствами. В Багуа есть свой резон, иначе я бы им не занимался уже много лет. Но меня оно привлекает не потому что оно "грозное" "блестящее" "некоммерческое" или просто "супер"
wudang is a new style, built specifically to teach to the tourists at wudang. but they had to take the movements from somewhere. I honestly like some of their forms, but I don't like how they mix everything up. I am so happy that my teachers clearly taught me the differences between these arts, rather than serving me "chop suey".
WDP is not a “style”, rather is umbrella for plenty of styles. Are they new or eternal is of lesser interest to me. Any great martial arts happened to be created by someone somewhere, they proceed to evolve even now and this is their greatest merit, not drawback!
A Bagua Zhang form like this is like shadow boxing and every movement is like a mental rehearsal of an application. Bagua would actually be very suitable for street fighting and is deadly in the hands of a master. In a real street fight you wouldn't see all these moves because the proficient Bagua practitioner would end things quickly and especially if the other fighter wasn't familiar with the art. The Palace guards at the Imperial Palace were masters of this art and were bad ass.
This style is invented for/suited for fighting many opponents. It helps to be able to turn around and face different directions very quickly to handle multiple opponents. That is one of the main benefits of this style
Thing is, mma has rules.. shaolin, Taoist, etc.. pretty much all Kung Fu..internal or external all have moves illegal in mma. When a person trains everyday and those moves come natural without thinking.. then we'll, someone may lose an eye..or may get nut kicked,spine or pressure points,throat strikes etc... That is daily.. end fights quik or avoid them. And walk away either way.
"It's not the style that matters , it's the artist"- when it comes to comparing and analyzing what is the 'best ' style, remember it is the artist that truly determines its effectiveness as a martial art. Learning a style for health and meditation is not exactly the same as learning it for combat application.
Gregory Mullins yes, in a sense. Its true also that WDP is a finest looking Bagua form
Ты белорус? )
there is no style , there is no form
All there is becomes clear when you ask a real warrior , battle tested and sad at the violence they commited
It's simple
It's expression of the human body through motion
Any expression is beneficial
The real masters don't simply mimic the movements of the teacher
Maybe that's how it starts
We achieve serenity and create art once we stop mimicry and start creating art
When I'm practicing Wudang Dan Jian or Tai He Quan
Or any form really , I'm creating art
I'm adding in motions without thinking , flowing and expressing my body with the Spirit of ancients before me that are alive once again through my movements
The animals stop
They watch
They are mesmerized by my motion
One time I was practicing Tai He Dao without a sword in my hand
I added in spins and I added in footwork that I couldn't replicate if I tried
This is Art , The Art Of Expressing The Human Body Through Motion
Living, breathing poetry of The Warrior
Makes it look so easy. I'm impressed with that one. Bagua.
Great demonstration! Thank you
He's the Airbending master we're looking for...
這套掌法主要傳承自姜容樵系，姜傳承傳於張占魁，張傳承於程廷華，程傳承於董海川。董為八卦掌公認的創派宗師！
Absolutely beautiful...thank you.
I can feel his power
This chap is REALLY good!
Amazing form congrats I really like it.
DONG HAI CHUANS ORIGINAL SET....BEAUTIFUL****
There's not much real Wu-Don art to be found on RUclips. This is Wu-Shu (War Art.) This set is based on Jiang style Pa-Kua, which is "new" Pa-Kua. Cheng, or Yin-Fu is the "old" Pa-Kua. Fu style Pa-Kua is also of the "new" Pa-Kua.
My favorite is Jiang style (it has a lot of Hsing-I in it,) having also learned Cheng, Yin-Fu, Fu, and the Basic Palm Change set. I think the Basic, or "old" set is as close to the original system we are going to see anymore of what Tung-Hai Chuan did.
Can you comment on Sun Style bagua please? I have learned the Sun Style long form as it is my favorite Tai Chi style and now am interested in Sun Style bagua. Where does that fit in with these other bagua styles? Do you have any opinion of it? Thank you
Wu shu is comes from Shaolin you can search for it ( Shaolin kung Fu is Wu shu )
@@TheJofrica sun bagua comes from cheng style, Emai bagua comes from sun style
seven of 9 Excellent, good to know, thank you!
If this master is so well versed in this style,
No: 1
why did he get so many thumbs down ?
No 2:
Isnt bagua zhang supposed to be more like a dragon or anaconda moves, meaning the body has to be more fluid, soft n yet feel powerful?
This master movement is tooooo stiff in changing part... the twisting n turning very hard not really soft pliable .... just my two-rmb opinion.
I would like to learn this
EVERY DAY PRACTICE YOU WILL FEEL THE EFEECTS.
Nobody is permanent so be happy, respect the nature, because everything is Come from nature
Wudang martial arts is nature and low of life
I've seen this style in Ip Man 3 I think,on the Slipping Table contest...
this guy is amazing
Xie xie! This is the form I am learning and I have seven sections; just missing number eight. Great reference video.
What's the Name of the form?
@@nobodyshere5994 Well, it was claimed it was "classical Bagua", but I think that was just a name given to it because the teacher didn't know the correct name. Nevertheless, it very closely resembles the form I was taught.
Can someone experienced please time the sequences of movements?
Where do they start and end and how many are there.
For example:
Exercise 1. 00:01 - 00:05
not an original wudang form but simply a reworking of Jiang rong chiao form created in 1950s. Hopefully not being rmisepresented as original wudang mountain form
That’s exactly what they do though 🙈
I like this song what is this name??!
i love the music
all over the world
Name of the form?
Beautiful! But what about mud walking?
What he's doing is called the Lion Step. The Mud Walking is too difficult for many who want to do a lot of flashy moves. There is also the Chicken Step, where the feet are picked up high and thrust forward; very useful in a "real" fight. Stomping the opponent's knee is against the rules in MMA. The Mud Walking Step is sometimes perverted into what one of my fellow students used to call the Opera Step; it has a long slide before you root. A real mud step is difficult to do while maintaining a smooth travel. You can see lots of Opera Step walking on RUclips. The practitioner is always jerking forward, but the long steps look cool. The Loin Step is popular among real Pa-Kua fighters.
TaiChiGhost As a pa kua begginer myself I knew about the mud walking and the chicken step but I never heard of the lion step. What are the principles of that walking? I'm sure that's because I'm not experienced enough but I don't see what is the basic principle of this steping type aside from him staying at the same hight which is a base principle in all types of walking in pa kua. To me it looks like he is simply walking low.
The lion step puts the heel down first, which makes for a fast weight transfer. It is like an ordinary step, on the outside, but you still have to drill down into the ground with your Yong-Chien (pardon the misspelling.) That is the acupuncture point (Kidney 1) which is called The Bubbling Well. When you're doing standing meditation, it feels like you're standing on a wet Fizzie. It's located in the cleft of the ball of the foot.
No mud no mud-walking!
peace music
Quiero verlo en la U F C
蒼海一聲笑
yes My Teacher explained ( in the 70's) that this form was actually a hybrid form that contain some of the animals of Hsing yi. movments. However.... the Master doing this moves beautifully and with true Pa Kua Body.
Just for Comparison see ruclips.net/video/_HnWLj_GSCs/видео.html and you can compare and see this is the same form.... Jiang Rongqiao's form.... interesting no.?
Are allow
Hit frappe
Air bending
Double standard way of thinking. If you saw a boxer shadow boxing would you say the same thing?
@@charlesbetancourt7337 why should he because air bending is inspired by ba gua zhang not by boxing
Even though korra does use boxing techniques for air bending
@@charlesbetancourt7337 The comment was in reference to a cartoon "Avatar The Last Airbender", in which the four element bending styles are based on Chinese martial arts, and the airbending in the series was based on Baguazhang. It was not meant as an insult.
@@first-last O.K. sounds interesting. I guess it could promote chinese martial arts in a positive way.
行云流水
lol
KAKKAROTO!
this is only for training coordination, space and healthy, this is non for fight.
好師傅，真宗的內家拳
Olhos vendados para serem mais esclarecido dragão branco escorpião de ares ate libra ponte moeda chinês 😂😂😂
7 stars, grasp, pull, and throw
looks more like jiang rongqiao style to me
So what is the origin of Wudang baguazhang did the lineage come from one of Dong Haichuan's students? Looks like an offshoot of Cheng style baguazhang with moves from tai chi and other styles added in.
Jiang rong qiaos form with a bit more athlethecism and flexibility.
On single palm change why is your elbow not covering your head? Single rolls like fire into metal changes into chicken to cover the head.
If you have done this form a thousand times you must be good.
real show
багуа это супер, блестящее очень эффективное искусство, не ради коммерции как сейчас на западе а именно искусство развития личности по всем направлениям и довольно грозное 👋
То, что вы говорите - лишь набор сомнительных прокламаций, не подкреплённых доказательствами. В Багуа есть свой резон, иначе я бы им не занимался уже много лет. Но меня оно привлекает не потому что оно "грозное" "блестящее" "некоммерческое" или просто "супер"
とても綺麗な八卦掌らしい八卦掌ですね。素晴らしいです^^
Huh, wow! That was a very cool interpretation of Jiang Rongqiao's form. He reversed sections 6 and 7, but that's the form.
wudang is a new style, built specifically to teach to the tourists at wudang. but they had to take the movements from somewhere. I honestly like some of their forms, but I don't like how they mix everything up. I am so happy that my teachers clearly taught me the differences between these arts, rather than serving me "chop suey".
@Steel Rain Outdoors thanks but I hate to tell ya, it's absolutely true. I know, the truth can hurt.
WDP is not a “style”, rather is umbrella for plenty of styles. Are they new or eternal is of lesser interest to me. Any great martial arts happened to be created by someone somewhere, they proceed to evolve even now and this is their greatest merit, not drawback!
KAKKOROOOOOT!!!!!
行雲流水
類似姜容樵大師的版本！？
He do be airbending tho
Look so beautiful but i think unsuitable for street fighting
A Bagua Zhang form like this is like shadow boxing and every movement is like a mental rehearsal of an application. Bagua would actually be very suitable for street fighting and is deadly in the hands of a master. In a real street fight you wouldn't see all these moves because the proficient Bagua practitioner would end things quickly and especially if the other fighter wasn't familiar with the art. The Palace guards at the Imperial Palace were masters of this art and were bad ass.
and how you apply...thay sh..in a fight masta please??????mmmm
The thing that seperates a master from a student, is the applications are hidden in the moves.
This style is invented for/suited for fighting many opponents. It helps to be able to turn around and face different directions very quickly to handle multiple opponents. That is one of the main benefits of this style
Check out the video on youtube entitled Avatar - The Last Airbender [Creating The Legend - Air Bending]
@@TheJofrica obviously. and, no thanks
Carlos Sanchez Right on. I was replying to Gilberto Cortes, not you.
If he is really so good how he do, then he should go to a MMA fight. If he come out of the cage alive, I'm convinced :)
Runenbuch haha！he is a taoist, so why does he need to go to a mma fight? It is unnecessary for him because that is not his life target!
Runenbuch why does he need to make you be convinced?
Nobody must do anything, it was just a question.
So something that has gotten to him.
Thing is, mma has rules.. shaolin, Taoist, etc.. pretty much all Kung Fu..internal or external all have moves illegal in mma. When a person trains everyday and those moves come natural without thinking.. then we'll, someone may lose an eye..or may get nut kicked,spine or pressure points,throat strikes etc... That is daily.. end fights quik or avoid them. And walk away either way.
If u don’t know, let me tell you
Martial art not train for fight, they train for kill, end your life. Just depends they want or not