A Deadly Side Effect of Antidepressants
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2017
- In this video, author and depression counselor Douglas Bloch talks about akathisia--an intense inner restlessness brought on as a side effect of medication. Symptoms include anxiety, agitation, and a compulsion to move or to walk about. He also shows you how you can take the medication in a way that greatly reduces the risk of akathisia.
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Keep up the good work Douglas! You are more informative then any doctor ive talked to! I guess the best people to help others are the ones that have b3en there and came out the other side!
Thanks.
@@DouglasBloch hi how are you is there more than 1 type of anti depressints
I agree with you here Tom!! 👍👍👍👍👍😁😁😁
@@DouglasBloch can antidepressants cause serotonin syndrome
@@DouglasBloch I tried to reach out to you on email. I’m going through this now, I discontinued use because I got this Off of just 3 doses. Do you think that it will subside, it’s been 8days. How long did it take you to recover? Mine is more internal
WOW, EXACTLY WHAT I WENT THROUGH !!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL PURE HELL !!!!!!!!!! I was so suicidal !!! My Doctor wouldn't listen to me ( He said it was my anxiety ). I am doing better now, different Doctor, different meds, lower doses, lots of Praying . All who suffer with mental illness are in my Prayers always !!!
Pray does help a lot....
Sunshine Girl im tired so tired of shaking on my anti depressants i dont wanna see a psychiatrist ever again I AM TIRED 😓
Clark Monroe Productions I agree with you. I feel they (psychiatrists) are useless for me. That’s all they know- here, take these meds, if they don’t work it’s your own fault, sorry for ya. Maybe they help some folks but I think those meds are just crap (sorry).
Anybody get visual effects?
Sunshine girl
Are u saying a stronger dose is dangerous
I went through this with many antidepressants. Thoughts and prayers for all those suffering from any mental health issue.
Are you off now?
@@jcbanbury nobody ever gets off them. That’s why big pharma loves giving them out left right and centre.
What mg of thoughts and prayers were you on? Religion is worthless
When my mom got on anti- depressants she became volatile, paranoid, argumentative, and delusional. She lost her marriage and basically every friend she ever had. I’m not sure what to do. She’s been on them for over 20 years. They are and continue to ruin her life.
Perhaps you can talk to the person who prescribed him and let him or her know what’s going on
@@DouglasBloch I did this with my ex-dr. he didn't care. He was getting his kick back from big pharma so whats not to like. It ruined my 30 year marriage, my ex is totally restless. If we could sue these drs it would help.
My mother was on antidepressants my entire life. She was started on opiates 20 years before I was born, when she was 14 (for nephretic colics) then she graduated on to barbiturates, then added benzos, then tricyclic antidepressants, then laxatives. When I was growing up, she didn't spend more than 1 hour without taking pills. She ate almost nothing but yoghurts, cakes (soft ones as she'd lost most of her teeth. She did have bridges and crowns but they didn't work as well as real teeth) and sugar. She was taking several dozens pills a day and we went to the GP (for her repeat prescription) at least once a week, sometimes twice (if she'd run out of drugs before the week was up). It was Hell, and because I was birthed by her, I never knew anything else. I felt like the odd one out growing up because I didn't take any drugs. I also had to 'care' for her, and to try and feed myself (a bit difficult when there's no food in the kitchen cupboards) and wash my clothes in the sink. I have gone no contact with her over 20 years ago, but if shes't still alive, I bet she's still on those drugs, which will make it 70 years of taking pills.
In 2012, the Niagara Falls Reporter published - "Mass shooters are often on antidepressants, yet this is rarely covered in the media!" They then listed a good number of these shootings. @@DouglasBloch
Disease-like labeling is the 1st step to financialization. Then neurotoxic drugs...@@charmee4045
I get suicidal thoughts but i am afraid of death.
I hate the world but i love myself.
Hence, i'll live. Stay strong, people. And douglas, you're doing an amazing job!
Thank you. It’s good that you love yourself. You deserve to have a good life.
i;m afraid of death also scares me, i'm 69 and depressed i'm not taking meds, i'm going the natural way with strict vegan diet, exercise ect it been 2 months and i doesn't seem to be working i'm considering taking meds!
@@healthyone100 hi I think about death a lot too. I like remind myself that before I was born, I was not scared. You can't be scared if your not alive. Everyone that was born, is alive, and will be born are all in it together (good or bad people).
dominick virgilio if u need meds then take them .. there is no shame
You sound like me
Thank you for this. I had this response to every SSRI I tried. It was just horrific. Great service you have done here.
Yes, he helps!! 👍👍👍👍💜💜💜
Prestiq is a pure b*** severe anxiety and tremors and nervousness coming off was worse she didn't even wean me after 3 months of taking it then through a bottle of latuda then Abilify at me not going to take either one
Just took a antidepressant, my doctor prescribed me. I’ve never felt so crazy in my life again. I’ve been up all night and, can’t stop shaking. I will never take one again.
Tell your doctor what’s going on
@@DouglasBloch doc, l took one mirtazapine and had this. Is it seratonin syndrome?
Me. Too mirtazapine and hell came. On earth now they say is agitated depression and maybe bipolar and I was only depressed not agitated when asked them for. Help Dr breggin too is telling this when antidepressants will throw u Into a manic state u will be diagnosed as bipolar so more meds to add Acatisia made lots of victim is 10 months I can't sleep relax or do. Nothing just pacing around in agony is awful i wish I could die i can't bear it anymore
@@andygugu5595 don't take it anymore... It has a long half time so expect 2-3 days before you settle down. I haven't had luck with any prescriptions except buspirone. You can combine buspirone with melatonin if sleep is an issue
I heard some people find st johns wort a great natural depressant without the addictive and nasty side effects
Thank you so much for your words! I having been on hard time about anxiety, listening to you bring hope. God bless you!
Thanks. Hold onto that hope
Wow! That is so helpful. I'm sure that's what I experienced with anti depressants years ago. An inescapable internal agitation. This is a perfect description of what I was struggling with - far worse than any other symptoms. Thank you Douglas.
You are welcome. As I said in the video, to minimize the side effects start with very low doses. Talk with your doctor about this
This happened to me in the 90's. I told them I was feeling aggravated and still depressed. They then told me I was bipolar. When I finally stopped using all the drugs I told them I felt better. They told me it was because I was bipolar! Never looked back. My life got so much better after I changed the things that depressed me and moved on with my life.
The absence of a pill didn't make you ill, so it's naïve to imagine one could make you well. Your life changed. You made you well.
There's' a quotation that goes something like: "It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society."
These drugs are poison and are only for truly mentally disturbed people. They throw them a round like candy. Also depression isn’t a lack of serotonin. These doctors have no idea what the hell they're doing. I’ve lost all trust in the psychology field.
@@ECP90 they are beneficial to people who need them.bettrr than suicide and it's not necessarily people who are mentaly disturbed as you put it but people who have been through tough times in their life and suffer from anxiety and depression from it.
What medications were you on??
@@cesarcahuis7445 It started with Paxil. I was really happy at first then things changed within 6 months. I felt like I had to get out of my own skin. Then they told me my reaction was because I was bipolar. So they gave me lithium. I told them I still wanted to die every day. Then they put me on Depakote. I couldn't get out of bed. I was weak and sluggish I gained weight. It made me hate myself more. Then they put me on another medication and another. I even said, "What if nothing works for me because I don't have a chemical imbalance?" They told me I thought that because I was bipolar... I don't remember most of those meds because everything was very hazy. And now its been about 20 years since I went through that hell.
Hi Doug! Amazing video! When I was 18 in 1990, they gave me something that made me drool black liquid and faint while I was in group therapy. It's scary taking meds even nowadays cuz I don't want to end up with uncontrollable anxiety. I want to get better. I want to know when I'm happy and other emotions. Brilliant work Doug!
Tysm for warning us.. I'm going to tell friends. Peace and love to you.
one of my FAVOURITE youtube channels. this channel has a charm to it
Thanks. What is charming about it
@@DouglasBloch the jokes and sense of humour
@@DouglasBloch i need some advice help. i may have akathisia. i was on 225 mg of effexor which i was thinking was making me lightheaded, twitchy, shortness of breath, very bad anxiety. these symptoms always come on after eating certain foods, especially junk foods, beer and fastfood. i recently went off effexor trying to see if it was causing these HORRIBLE symptoms for a year and half now. and now its my 3rd day of excitolapram which im hoping takes away these symptoms. what does this sound like to you? blood work says im fine its frusterating!
Thanks for revealing exactly what happened with me from these meds.
The doctor looks in confusion as I tell him these side effects, then he States he never heard of that side effect.
I’ve titrated without knowing what it is. Thank you for this. @Douglas Bloch
Really good video!!! Great sharing in the comments here!! Thanks so much! Peace to you all. 😍😍😍❤❤❤👍👍
Thank you for this information. I can’t believe I get more information from you than from my own Dr. Every time I walk out of my Drs appointments I feel like I have so many questions but I don’t really know what those questions are. I think it’s their responsibility to explain to you about what they are giving to take. I hope I made sense.
Thanks. Well, I guess I should know a little, as I have been working on my depression for fifty-one years.
I've felt that way too!! I understand! Hard 2 find any good help I guess. Thanks for sharing. ❤❤❤👍👍👍
Great video Douglas. This is exactly what happened to me when I was prescribed zoloft! The akathisia is legit. It makes you unbelievably agitated! Worst time of my life! No one seemed to believe what I was going through. Doctors couldn't explain it/don't get it. I got 3 different opinions and offered different medications. Now nearly 3 years after that time I still feel like it effects me 🙃
Sorry you’re still feeling the effects of it. Mine eventually wore off. Hopefully the same will occur with you.
I must stop to much side effects from AD. Dangerous
I tapered down my Venlafaxine to the minimal dose, then threw them in the bin, together with my minimal dose Amytryptaline, blood pressure and statin tablets. I've stopped binge eating, lost 22 pounds and am way more active and feeling happier again. I cannot stress the word FEELING, enough. One more depressive episode would have finished me, and it very nearly did this time, which is why I took such drastic action. Yes, sometimes I may not like what I feel, as the 'old' me starts to return, but I must acknowledge that this fight will be on for the rest of my life, and I am going to do things my way from here on in. Many thanks for all of your videos Douglas, and be well. Kind regards.
You're welcome. I'm glad you made it through that episode. Keep up the self-care. If you provide your email address I will send you A diagram was 45 self-care activities to improve your mood
Didn't know about this, thanks so much.
No problem!
Thank you for your response Douglas. It was my GP and also Psychiatrist who messed me up. In fact psych wanted me to stop lexapro and remeron abruptly and start zoloft but by then I was so ill after following her advice and my gps that I refused any more ‘advice’. Psych said it was my illness and refused to accept it was wd and akathisia. My gp is now on side and accepts I have akathisia and wd. I have CFS and can’t do exercise. I can barely walk. I won’t take an antipsychotic. But thank you. If I hold on these drugs I hope things will calm down. I only ever suffered from depression is response to events and anxiety the same. These drugs have given me worse problems and would like to get off eventually and go natural. I’m glad you think things will calm down. I worry most about the damage these drugs are doing and in particular the benzo. I’m scared of terrible wds.
Tell me again what you are taking now. Acupuncture is a holistic, non-medication healing technique that has helped me and many others. You might want to try it. In the meantime, here is a video called "You Are More Resilient Than You Think." ruclips.net/video/MpPCuHvUR7Q/видео.html
Same happened with me also and all my friends left me, i took an antipsychotic and my life changed i got tremors, speech problems.btw can we be friends
Great video! For anyone who is very sensitive to antidepressants but wants to try again, this is great information as a lot of psychiatrists won't do this.
Excellent especially for us sensitives
Thanks for the video. God bless you. I have been hurt by that meds
I stopped antidepressants after feeling akathisia and pain in one of the sholders.Also,not being able to reach orgasm was killing me.
It's hard to stop thinking about the problems that we have no cure for,just try to not think too much for the future and apreciate the small everyday things.I know how hard it could be.I left all my hobbies.I am able to overthink badly every experience and to see only the bad things around.People like me just don't have to think that much,even better not to think at all for some time.Nothing is perfect.Enjoy the small things and every little step forward.
Yes, enjoy the small things. And the small respites from the depression. When you’re occupied, you don’t have as much time to ruminate and to focus on the negative.
Thanks to God that I discovered this channel. I went to see a doctor today because of my anxiety and depression that have lasted for years. She recommended antidepressants of course, but I wanted to do some research first. I suffer from self-harm and suicidal thoughts daily. I strongly believe that I would be at higher suicide risk if I started taking this medicine. Thank you. Maybe I can still try to recover in a natural way. I have hope and I won't give up.
At the end of the video I said that to limit the side effects, you could start off with a slow dose. So I would not discount antidepressants altogether. You should talk to your doctor about the risks and the benefits. Do you know what your diagnosis is?
@@DouglasBloch Not yet.. the doctor was ready to give me medicine over summer even though there would be absolutely no one to supervise me. It's a terrifying thought. I don't even have a therapist yet. I have to wait until August so I can start talking to a professional.
Maybe I will wait a couple of months and see if my mood changes naturally with healthy life changes. My sleeping schedule and diet are bad at the moment and it makes me feel worse. I also need more exercise. I see antidepressants as a last option, if nothing else helps. Thank you for your reply!
Thank you for confirming this method.
You are welcome
Thank you so much ❤️ I have many different depression meds. With horrible side effects to where I don't want to try anymore 😔
Again a great informative video. To make a long story short, I have been told that Cymbalta is the hardest to get off of. Now the medicine, Cymbalta is also given freely for pain. Your idea was one I had not thought of. But makes a lot of sense. Not all people are the same, when it comes to med's. Thanks, once again.
my brother been on Cymbalta for 17 years and is doing good he tried to get off once but the withdrawal was to much so he got back on!
Antidepressants have helped me, and yes, I titrate the dose according to my mood.
Just understand that tardive akathisia is common after years of cumulative use. Tardive akathisia happens after you come off and it erupts. You might be lucky and just get withdrawal akathisia that eventually fades, but withdrawal akathisia can also turn chronic. Find Dr. Stuart Shipko’s writings for Mad In American and hear about his work tapering injured patients and his work documenting the risks of antidepressants like tardive akathisia.
Douglas this has everything humor true information and symptoms and side effects of antidepressants and how to star an antidepressant safety.
I've been on SSRIs and Amitriptyline for 20 years. I'm 70 yrs old and am enjoying my Retirement with my 2 Dogs !!! I never have Suicidal thoughts and I want to live as long as I can !!! If I don't take Anti Depressants I get stabbing pains all over and that was why I was put on them in the first place. I am happy to take them for the rest of my life !!! I know a couple of people who have restless leg syndrome but I've never had anything like it !
It's soooo important to take the process with these meds slow and being careful to be slow with increasing and decreasing dosages.
Yes! 👍👍👍👍👍💜💜
exactly!! You cannot go from 0 to 50mg or 100mg over night, you have to go very very slowly and build up the dosage. When you first start taking any SSRI, what happens is the sudden flood of seratonin into the brain motivates you to actually do things in your life, to take action. But because it takes time for the levels to even out, you are still having depressive thoughts while having a surge of energy. so look what can happen! Someone can start taking an SSRI and then do something like actually end their life. You must be under supervision and go slowly. Like anything in life. Someone who has a very bad depression and starts taking 50mg - 100mg of SSRI is like getting into a Porsche and not being able to drive.
That joke! Now that's a dry sense of humour! Well it did make me smile😊
I really liked that joke at the beginning. Cancer cells host here, was told that I had 18 months max left to live when dx, have nearly completed 10 years... and am regularly accused of 'faking' cancer, because I do not look sick (and I have a low BMI).
Yes I agree with this video,I agree depression is real as mental health, it's taken years for me to get to this place but it's real! PTSD is real from toxic relationships & I've taken a half of tablets with many meds, especially muscle relaxers & it's work's
for me.Thank you for this video 🙌🙏🙌
Hi Doug, I always titrate my medication. I guess I intuitively thought it would be better to start really small and go up because I know I am sensitive to medication. I always end up on a much lesser dose than the standard dose. I don’t know if my physical body has something to do with it but I am petite 5’ 4.5” and 116 pounds. Thanks for another enlightening video
Still watching your vids. Thanks again for helping me this spring/summer. Effexor screwed me up and made me soooo anxious and depressed. Paradoxical effect my doc called it. I guess we’re the unlucky ones. :(
Glad you are holding your own.
how are you feeling now?
Hope you work out the side effects.
great video.
Thanks.
Thanks Douglas
I was 10000 times worse taking an antidepressants. Was agitated. I was felt like I was in psychosis and I was shaking. Vomiting and stomach issues and a twitching eye . I could not sleep for two weeks I was on and I felt SO much worse after taking it. Even a few days after I didn’t feel right. Now I take Sam-E and I feel great. Some stomach issues but mood is so good even after only a week. No terrible side effects. Thought I was the only one who felt this on antidepressants. I agree with it working with some people. It saved my fathers life from depression. Didn’t work for me. My doctor also started me off at 50 mg. I think that’s too high too! Douglas your channel is amazing. So helpful to me and I’m sure to others. You are a godsend. God bless you
You're very welcome. I'm glad you have found something that works for you
WE HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE on antidepressant THATS SO CRAZYYY and here i thought i was crazyy
@@leodiscorpion3350 I thought it was me at first!! My brother was going to take me to the hospital. Was scared I was losing my mind I was up all night. Was talking jibberish and was saying some crazy stuff. I didn’t think for a second it was the antidepressants making that bad. I stopped them immediately bc I wasn’t on them too long and it went away. It was so scary!
@@leodiscorpion3350 at times I was like hearing and thinking I was seeing stuff or weird stuff was going on when it wasn’t. It was horrible!!!!
Oh Douglas, thank goodness, at last somebody who understands how it feels to have 'restless legs' in every fibre and internal organ, even my blood feels fizzy. Many doctors have told me I'm imagining this, it's only recently that I found a link between MCS and most prescription drugs.
What's MCS??
phubblewubb phubblewubb ihave hadrestless legs nearly all my life.On meds and off them,no difference.
Thank you so much for this video. Ive recently had an increase in dosage from 50mg of serotonin to 100mg and I feel like ive been going crazy. Stressed all the time, anxious, unable to stay in one place to calm down. I thought these were my own emotions, as I had been under a lot of stress lately. I only really found out what was wrong with me when I looked online. Im really glad I did, now what I think ill do is first wait for the three week period of "legal" side effects to pass, and if I still feel agitated Ill ask my psychiatrist to lower the dosage back. I dont wanna stop taking my meds, because I feel less depressed on them, I also feel less tired and am able to get out of bed. I used to sleep like 14hours. I just hope these symptomps stop at some point because its absolutely terrible.
I like your plan. I'm believe that your symptoms will diminish. They eventually did so for me.
I almost died of serotonine toxicity syndrome. Can’t even begin to describe what I was feeling. My liver can’t handle SSRI’s so after a few days I begin to overdose.
I feel for you. I too am not able to handle SSRIs nor SNRIs. I most recently developed interstitial cystitis due to Trintellix and Effexor. It’s completely neurological and I get to “wait it out”. I felt like I was dying and it felt like a month long anxiety attack.
@@jenniferroe3453 wow omg I’m so sorry you went through that.
A doctor give a patient 6 months to live . Patient couldn’t paid his bill , so . The doctor give him 6 more months to live to pay his bill . That’s funny !
Lol
Goodfellas
Yes it really was! 😂😂😂❤❤
thank you! i was on a pill that wasn't really helping me,but wasnt sure what a big dose would do to me. now i know how to figure out how to solve this,with a doc. asst.
I just had some anxiety ,and others things,plus tobacco ,alcohol related mood disorders,I was on almost everytime of psychiatry med for 8 years .after that I slowly left the meds and within month i recovered significantly, now o am going without meds ,I just avoid tobacco and alcohol .
I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY!!!! antidepressants made me feel worse. I self harmed, yelled at people, felt like I had no control, and I felt my depression was inside a Iocked chest in my brain. I knew the pain was there but I could never get it out or show the pain. I felt CRAZY! As soon as I pulled myself out of self harm I started going off the meds cold turkey and about a month later in January 2020 I started to feel better. Now in the end of July I feel much better I still have moderate depression but NO WHERE NEAR what I had on the pills. I’m doing a lot better but my mother is forcing me to get back on the meds and she doesn’t believe me when I tell her it made me feel worse since she has a great experience and we’re on the same medication. I can’t wait till I talk to my doctor and can finally be gone of those meds FOR GOOD!😁
This may have a double lesson for you "Imgoing back to 505". We love our moms even when they push all our buttons, create drama, are jealous, or whatever. No one ever talks about the mom's negative influence over the grown kid. But speaking as a person of more than a few years, it's a great experience to own your own life and kindly and thoughtfully say NO TO MOM. One does not need to bully or be bullied by our family members. If you decide you wish to never go back, tell your Mom that you want to try to live your life without dependencies on drugs or anything. God being the loving and kind, and truly wonderful Parent is the only exception..You can tell her you need her love and support for your decision. A good selling point for you to tell her is that when you are with her, you will have better times off drugs. You've taken the first courageous steps.... I will pray for you to go forward creating your own life and being your own wonderful and unique self. God will surely help you in all of this. IF you belong to a Church that insists you are born with a sin nature... pull out Genesis Chapter ONe and find out the amazingly good and wonderful "image and likeness" you are with "Dominion" over the problems of this material world. We are all powerful spiritual beings with the power to heal as Jesus did.... "these things and greater will my followers do!" Much love from Texas
Are you ok now I have same problem. For how long you don’t take medication
good work
Thank you.
+Douglas Bloch What are your thoughts on Celexa?? I was prescribed 10mg by my psych and I'm scared to take it. I'm hyper sensitive to meds.
I feel like that without my medication...I have tried to get off my meds several times...I become socially awkward and cannot manage daily tasks...I wish I never started taking them...but now I feel like I have a hard time socializing in life without them
Sometimes the benefits of a medication are worthwhile, even with the downside. Perhaps you can learn new social skills now, so that if you do go off the medication you will have something to fall back on.
I tried Prozac first and it made me laugh uncontrollably sometimes....which then turned into panic attacks the longer a took it. Paxil made my anxiety worse... Celexa did nothing for me, same with luvox. Wellbutron made me cry and made me very depressed. Doctor I was seeing tried to convince me that I was bipolar because I wasn't responding to these drugs. Also commented saying " thanks for trying these drugs out for me " So then was put on depekote and lamictal which made things worse, even after I kept telling him I wasn't bipolar. Even got to try an anti psycotic seraquel, which was awesome if you wanted to sleep all day. I went through living hell for 4 years!!! I then I realized I felt better when I didn't take anything, maybe the occasional ativan. Finally got to see a psychiatrist who said that I'm nowhere near to bipolar, just had some bad anxiety with mild depression. My advice is to find a doctor you like and trust and always get a second opinion. Sometimes these doctors give you more anxiety!!!
Do you take anything now?
The doctor is out to prescribe as much as possible, if he could convince you that your bipolar his first course of action would’ve been to put you on 4 new meds
It’s much more profitable to give you medicine that barely works cause you will keep coming back but if he makes you better he gets a insurance payday once instead of constantly for years
Prozac ain’t shit…excuse my French but it had me crying and laughing at the same time…it makes me so lazy I hate it…I’m honestly only taking it so I wouldn’t have brain zaps
@@jusme9400 i had to get off it. Was way to stimulating for me. Id rather go back to zoloft or 5htp.
I had akathisia these last years of antid. Thanks for putting it out. I've already stopped taking them.
How do u manage then? I cant stop antidepressant for anxiety disorders..if I try to stop when I get recovered the symptoms just come back..I'm living a hell life from last 23 years..
@@jigmetladol1469 I saw the video series called "Simple truths about psychiatry" by Peter Breggin, that made me stop. I suggest you too look it up. Since the pills don't do what we are told. I mean, is the hell life under influence of pills or not? Anyway look what he has to say.
I remember getting anxious when my brain resetted itself after stopping, but surprisingly it was because of some "real" sorrows that I just let go of under the influence of the pills. It will be some work to get through, but with the pills the problems don't end or stop, they will continue in a more subtle way, not giving you the chance to understand what is wrong. That's what I felt in perspective after stopping the medication.
@@scarecrowprowler what u use instead of medicine? I have stopped medicine from January but I m again suffering from lots if symptoms...especially pain left chest killing me
.
@@jigmetladol1469 I don't use medicine no more. I have no idea what the chest pain is about, so you should ask a doctor.
Thanks Doug. I was so nervous about starting Paxil but my doctor said, take the 20 mg. i cut one in half, ....then within a day I committed to the full 20 (Im at thirty now). It seems however that putting 4 days of ultra small doses should be standard practice. Plus: if you've had no akathesia with Paxil, does that prove that no other ssri will trigger that horrific anxiety?
Not necessarily. So start every SSRI at a low dose, as I demonstrate in the video.
I suffered from akathisia two months ago. I was so sick and could not sit still. I lashed out at my son and thought I was losing my mind. I began to believe that suicide was my only option, absolutely the most frightening thing I have ever experienced. I was moving from Paxil to Prozac.
How are you doing now?
Thank you, Douglas, another very clear and interesting video of assisting people with mental health issues. I have a joke for you! A man goes to see his doctor after having numerous tests for his condition, the doctor asks him to come and sit down, he has some very bad news. The doctor then tells the man, "After your test results, I am afriad to tell you that you only have five minutes to live. The man then asks the doctor, "Is there anything you can do for me?" The doctor replies, "Well, yes, I can boil you an egg"
Thank you for this video. I normally do cut pills if not extended release. I was on the fence about taking these because I have headaches and get so nauseated I can not get out of bed. That’s no life. This is on small dose that would be considered a normal amount. I was slowly doing what you said but it wasn’t working fast enough and my anxiety was out of control. I am now searching for natural ways including reading all scriptures on peace, but may continue very small dowse to see if my body will get use to them. I was about to totally quit. I wasn’t functioning with or without them unless I could use a quick form of something for nerves. I feel so stuck but I know god will help me through My father recently found out he had an aggressive cancer and it has been a nightmare. Maybe someday I can learn to accept this along with many other things in my life. God bless you.
I am sorry that you are struggling. There are medications that you can talk with your doctor about that can help with anxiety for the short term. In the meanwhile since you mentioned prayer, I recommend that you call a really good prayer ministry call Silent Unity. You can call in 24 hours a day. If you are in the United States the toll-free number is 800-669-7729. If you're living outside the US you can call them at 1-816-969-2000. Tell them what you are going through and they will give you a prayer treatment and hold you in the light in the prayer chapel for 30 days.
Thank you I will call them. God Bless you.
Very helpful video.thanks from India❤
You’re welcome
I’m on day 8 of Zoloft and it’s no walk in the park. I’m at 25mg which is low but feel bad. It’s only day 8 so I’ll keep going until week 3 and see if anything changes. I’m praying every day for healing,wisdom and courage as I go through this trial. Nothing is out of Gods control. 🙏
Good luck in your recovery.
How are you feeling now?
@@joshuahatfield2392 much better! It’s just a rough 2 weeks
@@infinitegaming1015 how u feeling now?
@@infinitegaming1015 is it any good, I'm afraid to try it I've never seen anyone speaking positively about it
I was Rx ambien i was desperate for sleep so took it Well 2 months latter i was gettibg severe pain at arround 1 pm and as each hour passed it got worst and worst I went to 3 doctors all said it was just anxirty Well went to a 4th doc who in 10 sec said i was withdrawing. From the ambien each day !!! I went through hell due to 3 docs having no idea
Thanks for explaining this side effect. I have taken 40 mg of Celexa for years, and have not experienced anything adverse. I have been taking Vyvanse also. what are your thoughts on Vyvanse?
Vyvanse is a good medication for attention deficit disorder. My goddaughter takes it. What has been your experience?+Joanne Doyle
Thankgod i saw this.Only this morning (after a dose of sertraline eight hours previously) i felt so bloody agitated.This happens regularly.The only benefit i have ever had from sertraline is that i can comfortably walk through a crowd without feeling anxious.Otherwise i am struggling to find anything positive to say.I am thrilled to have seen this because i now feel that my agitation is indeed the sertraline and i feel at peace for once !!!xxxxx
Hopefully you can work with your doctor to decrease the agitation
@@DouglasBloch hi I am on sertaline 50 mg , but I didn’t get you ,how we can recover without medicine ( pls reply 🙏🙏)
Thank you very much for your video. I have been taking 100mg Zoloft per day for approximately 12 years. It has helped me to feel more positive and to go to work daily. However when I tried to get off it by winging off I felt very sick like I had the flu. The only reason why I was trying to get off of Zoloft is because I don't like taking pills especially for several years. Would anyone please (if they know factual info) why it is so difficult to get off of antidepressants even when you try and wing off of them? Thank you in advance.
i've been off 100 mg Zoloft for 3months after being on for 1 year, i went cold turkey bad idea i'm now on just maybe 15 mg just to help me feel a little better i only take it when i feel i really need it, i have a strict vegan diet with exercise, fresh air to clean and purify my blood that goes to my brain!
I had a reaction to prozac (6 low dose tablets) and had the most extreme almost psychotic agitation I can imagine. still suffering from on and off fluctuating symptoms , (though less extreme)
Hopefully, the agitation will decrease over time.
Can you explain?
I wonder if that by effect has to do with the dose you get as well. I don't know how much you got prescriped, but I know from a classmate that her father killed himself due to a too high dose of anti depressant. I personally am always very sensitive for medications, so I always tell that to doctors and ask for a lower dose and longer build up to be on the safe side. I think it's wise to talk about this with your doctor. Not just WHAT medication you will take, but also HOW MUCH.
OMG you actually talk about this as well, sorry xD I fullheartedly agree with your advice! It helps a lot to do this, not only with anti-depressants but others medications as well.
I'm glad that we agree about starting on a very low dose.
Brilliant tip... Titrating x
Hi Doug, THANKS for this video. Last year I had akathisia. I had for almost a year. It was a nightmare.Now Im medication free and dealing with very high level of anxiety because of the horrible experience. I had symptons like fatigue, fear, sadness. I m not working and going out always with somebody. I feel that it is getting better. The doctor told me to start a new ssrri but im so afraid I have an adverse reaction again. Sometimes I feel that my nervous system is still getting back to balance because the akathisia went away only four months ago. What would you recommend?
Sorry for the late reply. Your comment was held for review. You could try another SSRI, but start with a tiny dose. Maybe 1/2 of the lowest dose that one can take. Then stay on it for awhile before you make any increase. Of course, you should work out the details with your psychiatrist and not do it on your own.
Douglas Bloch Thanks for your reply and your recommendation. The doctor decided not to prescripe a ssri for now. He put me on 1 mg of klonopin for couple of months he said. Im feeling much better and calmer these days. Thank you again for warning and let the people know about these terrible side effect called Akathisia.
@@FM-st5hc never take a psych drug again.
I got this off my first dose of sertraline(zoloft) and I only had taken a quarter of a 50mg tablet. I literally could not sit still and was constantly pacing around house on edge. I called the doctor as I was concerned and he said well I only gave you a low dose, however you may get some side effects when you first start them. Funny though as he said a low dose
, although hadn't realised I only only t
Had taken a quarter of that. That was enough for me. I also personally feel that people who gave used them, even in the past all seem different and emotionally distant. Almost evil. Not intentionally but just kind of programmed
Excellent info dr..can chronic anxiety be treated without these antedepressants?
It depends. I would talk with a mental health professional who specializes in treating anxiety.
I suffered a state very much like "akathisia" in the periods before taking medication. I just could not sit or stand still. Even in my bedroom I have walk, to move. I've taken mefication and I am doing it now in ai very low dosis. I really hope never again feeling that akathisia.
I had Akasthesia in response to an atypical antipsychotic and it was the worst thing I ever felt. I was basically curled up in agony and I didn't sleep until I stopped the medication. Definitely not talked about enough when mentioning side effects.
I totally agree.
I didn't know that was a side effect. I thought it was just me. The drugs were ruining my kidneys so I came to terms with the way god made me and quit the drugs.
How are you doing know
I can’t work out how to reply on the thread below your response. Thanks for the link, I’ll watch it.
So I’m on 5mg lexapro, purely because I reinstated that lower dose after cting it, 15mg remeron and 6mg diazepam which I was put on by Crisis team thinking I was suffering severe anxiety but I now know it was acute wd and akathisia.
Those seem okay for right now. Does your doctor agree. Let me know what you think of the videos.
Thanks Douglas! I have been on Wellbutrin for a month and a half now and I've noticed the very side effect you have been talking about the doctor started me out at 150 mg my heart starts racing and I get these panic attacks I didn't know what they were but recently found that psychiatrist can also do a genetics test to see if the medication will be suited for you of course I found that out after being prescribed Wellbutrin and now have to wean down and come off of it which I'm told can be unpleasant for a few days
Also wanted to add that they tell me that you can't cut or Crush Wellbutrin because it will affect the time-release capsule if I wanted to taper down will cutting the pill help me or is it dangerous like they say
Good luck in winning. I think they were tablets less than 150 mg which you can talk to your doctor about
I just get even more depressed, when I think about depression...
Thank you for explaining the benefits of tritation. Five days of Lexapro resulted in two years of living hell for me. Any one who as experienced akathesia knows the experience is as bad as it can get.
I'm glad the video was helpful
My right leg is constantly shaking, or tremors, as I learned, after taking an anti depressant, or treatment for cancer. I'm leaning toward the anti- depressant. I do remember reading that the med may be permanent shaking may develop; apparently it has. I wish I could remember which, but can't as there have been so many, and it's been a while ago. I feel anti-depressant have made my life a bit more difficult without making my moods any better.
I thank you again for explaining what's a possible reason for my shaking leg.
You are welcome. If the shaking leg becomes too much of a problem, there is a medication you can take to reduce the shaking.
Douglas Bloch What's the med? I'm trying to reduce the number of pills I take, as I also take meds for a chronic condition? But I'm interested in this medicine you suggest.
My shaking was permanent, after I stopped taking -- it was either lamictal, or effexor, or paxil -- like you, I was on a few different ones, not sure which one did it -- finally went to a neurologist and got some relief from propanolol, it's a blood pressure drug that helps a little with tremor. Thank you Douglas Bloch for your important work
I’m currently taking 2.5mg lexapro and it helps me. ❤️
It would be extremely important if doctors told their patients to come immediately when they experience extreme restlessness and agitation. Some patients who know about akathisia even volontarily go to the hospital when they start taking an antidepressant and to the whole titration there.
There is an organization in Chicago that is trying to get the word out about Akathisia. It is:
missd.co
Awesome! Don´t know if there is a similar organization in Europe? Anyway, when I started Paxil, I immediately asked the doctor for Ativan and always had the Ativan ready with me. Never went out without it and always kept it on my desk, just right next to me.
Good thinking.
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My doctor prescribed lexapro,,,one pill and I was out of my mind for 3 hours, eyes twitching side to side,,,,never again
You are not alone. There are people that reacts very badly to most AD meds. I"ve got psychosis each time i tried to take AD. Even from single pill.
please help me how did you withdraw
He should have given you a benzo to start the med with
Maryland Guy0326 yeah great idea .. give him a benzo ... are you serious
First ad that made me suicidal. My mom has been taking it for 30 years, it saved her life...such a crapshoot...
Great video, thankyou for letting me know, just out of curiosity, is 40mg of Prozac something I should be monitoring and aware of? My panic attacks have lessened but I'm still fearful of having another one
Different medication's have different effects on different people. When my wife took Zoloft and put her to sleep. I will definitely discuss this with your prescriber and let him or her guide you
My doctor prescribed Prozac 10mg for me 5 days ago. I was taking it first thing in the morning with some breakfast. I have to say after day 4 I had to stop taking it all together. Day 1 wasn’t to bad, i had tremors and confusion/ trouble concentrating and dizziness as well as stomach issues and headaches. Day 2 was a bit worse but from everything I’ve heard and what my PCP told me that feeling worse was normal. Day 3 was better than day 2 but still the same symptoms with diarrhea onset. Day 4 was what made my mind up; day 4 was horrible! I was completely off the rails, anxiety, confusion, concentration were crazy bad! I was pacing and thought that I was going crazy! I stopped by my parents house and my mom wanted to take me to the ER. She said I looked extremely agitated and sweaty. I called my doctor to ask what I should do, he said that I should push through but I can’t imagine going through that again for another day. I have decided to stop taking Prozac and now I’m scared to try any other medication.
Definitely talk to your doctor about this
@@DouglasBloch , thanks for the input. I have and he wants me to try another medication. I have yet to decide if I want to go down that road. With the last one I couldn’t perform my job at all. If my customers would have seen me like that they would have thought I was on heavy drugs.
I have this and I've been off meds for a year & it's still so horrific. It's making me so suicidal & I feel like it's not going to go away. I've had it while on meds but didn't know it & I kept telling my Dr something was really wrong & he just kept changing, increasing doses adding more meds. He never titrated or anything and then I did not know anything about it. I can't describe the misery I've been in for so many years. Help.
Maybe you should get a second opinion
@@DouglasBloch this is in combination with PTSD. After 6 years of all this. I don't think there is hope. Nothing has been shown to reverse changes in the ptsd brain. Nothing.
Jordan Peterson had that situation with him I listen to a daughter talked about it today
I was prescribed Prozac on the day you published this, maybe its a sign. I'm desperate for something to make a dent in my Depersonalisation though. My Psychiatrist says I have Depression and Anxiety underlying and that I need to treat those to lower my DP. It chimes with everything I've heard about the condition, but I'm wary of side effects after my nightmare encounter with Sertraline. Annoyingly Prozac isnt in pill form (at least in the UK) I was eager to start a lower dose and you just confirmed that I wasnt just being picky - thanks :)
Prozac has helped many of my clients. You can open the pill and dump half of the granules into a glass of water. That's how my clients do it.
Thank you Douglas I'll give this a shot :)
Thanks Mr. Douglas!!! Do anti depressant like mirtazipine at rivotril may affect my heart?
I don't t think so. You should talk to your doctor or your pharmacist.
Finding the right help is harder than finding anti depressant medicine 😢
Well said. and it takes more than a 5 min consultation at $500/hour (because that's what your doctor charges the insurance)
Thank you for this topic. I'm going through it, you know much more than my therapist and psychiatrist. I cry all the time, feel suicidal and cannot sleep. They say it will get better in time. In time... I doubt I'll be able to make it this time.
I fee guilty. How to explain my child that mom is going to be sad for a long time? He feels my pain, it affects him.
So desperate.
Still thanks Douglas. Thanks for caring x
Luna Patines You are in my thoughts tonight, Luna. i shall pray for you and your son.
+Ana Olivetti Thanks for your kindness. Bless you x
Luna, you will make it. I have had four depressive episodes and I eventually came out of them. Check out my video this coming Monday, October 23 about how resilient we all are.
I hope you are feeling better now, my thoughts are also with you.
Are you okay sweet Chanel? Good thoughts. I hope you’re well. Xo
I had no idea there was a name for what I went through! Ever since taking 20mg of fluoxetine for 2 weeks i have been an absolute state for at least a year! Manifested as chronic anxiety which i never had before and now i have gut rot too from the damage
Talk to your doctor and see what he or she recommends. I found a drinking a lot of fluids and exercising helped. Eventually your body can rebalance itself. I also used acupuncture and some massage
I hope that you keep up with improving your mental-health. I WAS surprised, however, that you chose ECT!!! Is it that there was really no alternative?
I had run out of all other options. So, I chose the method of last resort which worked
@@DouglasBloch Hello! Well, I am sad and glad for you, but ECT has always scared me.
Hi Doug I've been suffering from depression and I've been taking antidepressants for the past few months trintellix about 5 to 10 mg I don't know if it's working but I've been feeling what you described a bit of agitation pacing back and forth I suffer from a lot of negative thoughts and I just want some help I know antidepressants aren't an easy fix drug but I just want something that will help me
Have you tried exercise, especially getting your heart rate up so that you sweat
Lower the dose, from experience. 🇦🇺
My girlfriend checked herself into a mental health facility without saying a word to me. After two months of not knowing anything. I decided to walk away from her for my own sanity. She has incredible side affects from these meds. Im not a expert in any way. But my observation of her, i see clearly she is simply existing. Not living. Im thinking taking a bucket full of meds for the rest of ones life, most likely isnt a healthy option.
Perhaps you could send her positive thoughts from a distance
Thank you.
You're welcome
If you are going through a withdrawal and start another medication, does that throw you back? I took Remeron for a few days and stopped during my Lexapro withdrawal. It was helping but I stopped just in case it would make me worse.
1 Akathisia is an extremely important issue
probably the most important thing that every patient, their family and friends should be Educated about
2 Drug Withdrawal is also an extremely important issue
Patients, their Friends and Family should be Educated about
Oppositional Tolerance and Withdrawal Symptoms
3 People on multiple Drugs very rarely do well in the long-term
4 Keeping People on Psychiatric Drugs for Years is Very rarely the BEST treatment for them
5 Alternatives to Drugs,
The Recovery rates for Severe Depression before we had Antidepressants were higher then
than the recovery rates are today
What sort of treatment you suggest Robert
Thanks for this list!!!! Informative!! 👍👍👍👍👍
Exactly what i noticed.
"5" is based on a different understanding of "a full recovery".
Today, recovery means being free of all symptoms, and being the same person as before treatment started.
Pre-antidepressants, clinical depression was treated with ECT and/or lobotomy. Yes, all patients were cured for their depression. But at a horrendous price, they lost their persona, their identity.
Around 1960 Tricyclic antidepressants became available.
Roughly same side effects as SSRI, and only slightly less effective.
But....Tricyclics often turned patients manic, which could have disastrous consequences. Another example of the cure being worse than the illness.
Today, with SSRI, the government target for full recovery is 50%, based on the modern definition of recovery. And in reality, we are looking at a full recovery rate of 75%>
I’m basically pretty much cured when I take an ssri. Well not completely but I’m about 90% better which is a huge plus
I read some interesting studies about SSRIs. The dosage is highly dependent on your enzyme activity in the liver. There are different types of metabolizers: those whose bodies can break down the active substance super quickly, those with average enzyme activity and those whose liver just very slowly breaks down the active substance. For the latter it means that they get overdosed by the standard dosages. The so called "poor-metabolizers" were excluded from the clinical studies. So the substance cumulates in their bodies, cause their liver can´t break it down quickly enough which leads to overdose and intolerable side effects - could this be on of the causes why some people develop akathisia? So the thing is, that those poor metabolizers have to be underdosed! I am one of them and I´m perfectly fine with maximum 10 mg of paroxetine. I probably would have been fine with 5-10 mg fluoxetine too but the doctor didn´t believe me and prescribed me 20 mg which was way too much!! I developed akathisia! Some people are just fine with low dosages.
Done! :)
Interesting that you mention that I was born with Gilbert's syndrome which is a liver condition I have one cup of coffee be it feels like I have had 10. Same with medications, etc.
Sometimes I am so glad for how lucky I am.Mirtazapine caused this to me and I was so ignorant that I didn't stop it and it went away on its own.I cannot imagine what my life would be if it was to continue.
I had this, í didn't even know it was a side effect or had a name, í though it was part of my depresión. I couldn't sit down had to pace, it was terrible. Since í am someone that if i don't see any change in my condition í end up stopping the meds. My.son was on Depakote and had an adverse reation. He was so agitated, agressive. This í mention because some meds have these adverse reactions that we think it is their illness, in this case his bipolar, but he had never been like this. We need to read the labels.
That joke fro the beginning was from the film ‘Goodfellas’
After taking an overdose of Sertraline/Zoloft some years ago and suffering a huge seizure (first one i ever had) in the hospital while undergoing treatment, and have suffered many more seizures lasting from seconds to 10+ minutes and many other problems with motor skills since. After brain scans i was labelled epileptic but the neurologist admitted he wasn't sure exactly what the anomaly in my brain was.
Well, I hope you get it treated