I played the bass guitar part in the British Premier in 1974 with the Scottish National Orchestra conducted by Penderecki. An unforgettable experience.
Mr. Mitchell-Davidson, on this day, would you like to share any further memories you have of this experience? One question I have is how did you find his bass guitar writing (seeing as it may have been the first, and last time he ever wrote for the instrument)? Not many composers in the "serious" vein were writing for the instrument at that time.
@@dbadagna Actually, Penderecki included small electric bass guitar parts in some of his early pieces. The ones that include a bass are: his opera Die Teufel von Loudun (most notoriously), his First Cello Concerto, the Capriccio for violin and Orchestra and Kosmogonia.
@@dbadagna A mixture of virtuosic almost unplayable lines, graphic notation and some improvisation. I asked him about it before the first rehearsal and he said that I should try to play the written lines accurately but interpret the graphic notation freely. He actually complimented me on my performance which I found amazing as it was the first time I had played with a symphony orchestra. I subsequently did lots of orchestral work mainly on guitar, mandolin and banjo but I'll never forget this gig. We also got payed handsomely as soloists!
See here's the thing. This guy actually knows what a tune should sound like in these non-standard approaches to music. No wonder he's horror movie's favourite composer at least he was in the 70s. He took some of the unlistenable avant garde techniques and showed us how it should be done. There are too many of the pretentious folk doing pretentious stuff but Penderecki is the master of the squeaky gate and his stuff works.
I agree for the most part. He somehow makes this still sound like music. The auditory experience of the timbre changes is extraordinary. These random sounding chaotic processes are rendered as dramatic events. The problem with pieces like this is that the primary sounds can't stay in the head like a tune or a harmonic sequence. So the kind of connection you make with a piece like this can only happen when you are listening to it. The ear can barely comprehend the textures and tonal effects when listening to them, let alone recall them afterward. I can play an entire Beethoven symphonic movement in my head from start to finish...could you even after listening to this a hundred times ever internally imagine the sonics?
Uma sobreposição de timbres de diversos instrumentos da orquestra antecipa os gloriosos primeiros acordes do cravo, conduzindo a uma apoteose de sons inéditos e renovadores de contemporaneidade. Uma obra radical e que pulsa na trilha da Sagração da Primavera de Stravinsky. Fico a imaginar qual não foi a sensação emocional única de Felicja Blumental ao quebrar tantas barreiras do classicismo no trato novo do teclado proposto por Penderecki.
Al Vogel hey, let’s not forget that he used those same techniques in Empire Strikes Back and Prisoner of Azkaban. Especially the Dementor on the Train scene.
I love most of Penderecki's early works, even though he, himself wasn't to proud of them. Kosmogonia is one of my favorite. His Piano Concerto (a later work) is easily my favorite piano concerto.
This partita dates from a period when Penderecki was sticking to the avant-garde school, which he abandoned further on for a neo-romantic, pseudo-wagnerian expression which reminds us of the neoclassical Stravinski period. This U-turn begins to be soemhow sensitive herre, since the writing, although very advanced, is not as radical in his first scores. The is a high sensitivity to the vrious tines; This is one of the few scores in which electric guitar and bbass guitar are integrated to the "classical" orchestra. The combination aof these tones, and th peculiar position od the score on the aesthetic trajectory of the composer makes it a very attractive work.
What a fearful muddle unfolding here, neo this and pseudo that, neoclassical Stravinski and pseudo Wagner, what sort of mutant animal might that be? A littlle learning is a dangerous thing. Penderecki., a searching and important contemporary composer, deserves better informed critics.
@@thomasrajna5695 that is a good informed critic. you can disagreee with both its content and its approach, too, but it is a critical approach, while yours is, basically, nothing
Cosmic? Gorgeous? These echoes of darkness which inhabit us and which we deny, reminiscences of time immemorial where Lilith - before Eve - consoled Adam, voice of the splendid Nature that the proud bipeds despise unjustly, lyrical lament of organs abandoned in ruined chapels. The unfolding of these melodies delivers us a moment from our chains and delights the soul by propelling it into dionysiac dens resplendent with chaos where the devils laugh at the sour Reason who goes grumbling 🔥
Can someone give me the name of a Penderecki piece? It starts out with quiet but foreboding strings and then silent and again The quiet but foreboding strings Thats all I remember
if you want to get new sounds use new techniques it isn't pretending you genuine are experimenting and searching. if u ever tried to make anything u would know pretense does motivate much except in the workaday business degree type of person who doesn't ever want to think originallybjust make a buck to wipe his butt with. it seems most Americans really have no idea how to even analyse or look at anything.amazing this country produces any of us creative types. it is a fight!
I'm thinking of stuff like Cage's 4'33 or a lot of his stuff, frankly. Sorry, but the Emperor has no clothes. As for experimenting, that's part of the creative process but you're supposed to leave the bad stuff on the editing floor.
What an utterly pompous, and ridiculous statement. I've been enjoying his music for over 30 years, and I am an American. It's funny you bash Americans, but you use our social media sites. Get over yourself..
I played the bass guitar part in the British Premier in 1974 with the Scottish National Orchestra conducted by Penderecki.
An unforgettable experience.
Respect for this mind blowing performance! Thanks!
Mr. Mitchell-Davidson, on this day, would you like to share any further memories you have of this experience? One question I have is how did you find his bass guitar writing (seeing as it may have been the first, and last time he ever wrote for the instrument)? Not many composers in the "serious" vein were writing for the instrument at that time.
@@dbadagna Actually, Penderecki included small electric bass guitar parts in some of his early pieces. The ones that include a bass are: his opera Die Teufel von Loudun (most notoriously), his First Cello Concerto, the Capriccio for violin and Orchestra and Kosmogonia.
@@dbadagna A mixture of virtuosic almost unplayable lines, graphic notation and some improvisation. I asked him about it before the first rehearsal
and he said that I should try to play the written lines accurately but interpret the graphic notation freely. He actually complimented me on my performance
which I found amazing as it was the first time I had played with a symphony orchestra. I subsequently did lots of orchestral work mainly on guitar, mandolin and banjo but I'll never forget this gig. We also got payed handsomely as soloists!
It must be such an amazing experience to hear this preformed live
R. I. P. Master Penderecki.
Love Mathieu's painting. He used to shock the spectators painting live, throwing the paint from a distance. What a partita!
One of our worlds' greatest living composers, brooding, dramatic, unpredictable, refined to the highest standard and setting it.
Sadly, no longer living as of yesterday. In paradisum ...
See here's the thing. This guy actually knows what a tune should sound like in these non-standard approaches to music. No wonder he's horror movie's favourite composer at least he was in the 70s. He took some of the unlistenable avant garde techniques and showed us how it should be done. There are too many of the pretentious folk doing pretentious stuff but Penderecki is the master of the squeaky gate and his stuff works.
I'm not sure I agree with that but I like the attitude :D
I get what your saying.
"... and his stuff works." His stuff works? Not for me!
I'm not sure 'Master of the squeaky gate' is a complement.
I agree for the most part. He somehow makes this still sound like music. The auditory experience of the timbre changes is extraordinary. These random sounding chaotic processes are rendered as dramatic events. The problem with pieces like this is that the primary sounds can't stay in the head like a tune or a harmonic sequence. So the kind of connection you make with a piece like this can only happen when you are listening to it. The ear can barely comprehend the textures and tonal effects when listening to them, let alone recall them afterward. I can play an entire Beethoven symphonic movement in my head from start to finish...could you even after listening to this a hundred times ever internally imagine the sonics?
Uma sobreposição de timbres de diversos instrumentos da orquestra antecipa os gloriosos primeiros acordes do cravo, conduzindo a uma apoteose de sons inéditos e renovadores de contemporaneidade. Uma obra radical e que pulsa na trilha da Sagração da Primavera de Stravinsky. Fico a imaginar qual não foi a sensação emocional única de Felicja Blumental ao quebrar tantas barreiras do classicismo no trato novo do teclado proposto por Penderecki.
Magnificent music and painting.
Penderecki - what a musical genius - influence to a wide-range of styles to come...
The screen represents the music very well.
Like no partita I've heard before. I love it!
John Williams used some of these techniques on the Close Encounters Soundtrack. One of my favorite scores.
Al Vogel hey, let’s not forget that he used those same techniques in Empire Strikes Back and Prisoner of Azkaban. Especially the Dementor on the Train scene.
I love most of Penderecki's early works, even though he, himself wasn't to proud of them. Kosmogonia is one of my favorite. His Piano Concerto (a later work) is easily my favorite piano concerto.
Of his 1st symphony; he said he was undecided as to whether it is better or not than his later works.
This partita dates from a period when Penderecki was sticking to the avant-garde school, which he abandoned further on for a neo-romantic, pseudo-wagnerian expression which reminds us of the neoclassical Stravinski period. This U-turn begins to be soemhow sensitive herre, since the writing, although very advanced, is not as radical in his first scores. The is a high sensitivity to the vrious tines; This is one of the few scores in which electric guitar and bbass guitar are integrated to the "classical" orchestra. The combination aof these tones, and th peculiar position od the score on the aesthetic trajectory of the composer makes it a very attractive work.
What a fearful muddle unfolding here, neo this and pseudo that, neoclassical Stravinski and pseudo Wagner, what sort of mutant animal might that be? A littlle learning is a dangerous thing. Penderecki., a searching and important contemporary composer, deserves better informed critics.
I can't like him still even dead
But i can see it as film music
@@daniel3231995 then stop listening and try trolling venues which'd be more to your satisfaction
@@thomasrajna5695 that is a good informed critic. you can disagreee with both its content and its approach, too, but it is a critical approach, while yours is, basically, nothing
Zseni volt, hiányozni fog!
Thank you maestro.
My favorite work by Penderecki... I had SCHOTT make me a full score when it was no longer available. Needed to have it.
Doesn't Schott have a study score of this piece? Was it expensive to order?
plein d'intensité.... à découvrir....
When you think it's over around 17:10... and then, that chord at 17:18. Otherworldly.
Cosmic? Gorgeous? These echoes of darkness which inhabit us and which we deny, reminiscences of time immemorial where Lilith - before Eve - consoled Adam, voice of the splendid Nature that the proud bipeds despise unjustly, lyrical lament of organs abandoned in ruined chapels. The unfolding of these melodies delivers us a moment from our chains and delights the soul by propelling it into dionysiac dens resplendent with chaos where the devils laugh at the sour Reason who goes grumbling 🔥
bellissimo.
This music makes me want to buy a harpsichord, but I doubt my neighbours would appreciate it.
ConstantlyLaggingBehind-//://- Don't forget the electric and bass guitars
Harpsichords aren't that loud - not louder than a piano. They are expensive, however.
do you live near a cemetery?
Penderecki: Polish for 'care free'
In seriousness though, this piece puts me in mind of 'Drukqs' by Aphex Twin
Essa obra-prima do autor polonês trabalha como um poema de Garcia lorca ou uma pintura contemporânea de Pollock.
2:39
Can someone give me the name of a Penderecki piece?
It starts out with quiet but foreboding strings and then silent and again
The quiet but foreboding strings
Thats all I remember
Maybe a piece called Polymorphia
De lo mejor que he escuchado. Este tal Penderecki es un lector del caos.
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@@Cristobal-bz6hh ??
Acaba de fallecer este gran compositor.
Беспощадное битва!нашествие пчел на чужое улье !!!!!!!! Експрессионизм!!!!!!! Страшно автор насыщен жизнью он в уме в отличии щенберга
haprsichord => harpsichord
Как человека корчит после большой пьянки что в голове а вообще то в психушку всем безопасно будет
if you want to get new sounds use new techniques it isn't pretending you genuine are experimenting and searching. if u ever tried to make anything u would know pretense does motivate much except in the workaday business degree type of person who doesn't ever want to think originallybjust make a buck to wipe his butt with. it seems most Americans really have no idea how to even analyse or look at anything.amazing this country produces any of us creative types. it is a fight!
I'm thinking of stuff like Cage's 4'33 or a lot of his stuff, frankly. Sorry, but the Emperor has no clothes. As for experimenting, that's part of the creative process but you're supposed to leave the bad stuff on the editing floor.
Edgard Varese said it best- "I do all of my experimenting before I compose"
What an utterly pompous, and ridiculous statement. I've been enjoying his music for over 30 years, and I am an American. It's funny you bash Americans, but you use our social media sites. Get over yourself..
Speaking of pretentious cunts,. Looks like we done landed the grand mother of all self important cunts here in the comments, boys.
@@BigPuddin If your real name is Chad, welcome to the epic douchebag names list.