these series of videos are the best and deepest infos about the abyss and demons i have seen so far. Thank you and looking forward for more videos of you
@@nicthedm7650 personal, i hope you will be feature other planes too. There are already tons of videos of Baator, Abyss or Mount Celestia. But Bytopia, Pandemonium, Arcadia or Beastlands (and many others) lack a lot. But i totally understand you focus (first) on the ones with big interest and attention and not the "nerdy" ones :D
The powers of the abyss care. A pantheon of gods from a world in another sphere cleared out a couple layers, and the abyss itself killed them, and one layer has a patheon of dead gods in it.
Despite appearances, this is one of the best video essays I've seen on D&D, right up there with the greats on RUclips. You ABSOLUTELY deserve to get a shout-out and more subs/likes. Therefore, I am doing my part by liking, subscribing, and commenting to show my support! I am definitely going to binge your previous videos as this one was the one that brought me here 😁
Thank you so much! I know some of my much older videos aren't up to the current standards shown in recent videos, but I hope you enjoy. I'm certainly striving to be one of the best D&D channels so I hope to continue creating even better content going forward!
You're in luck! I'm currently researching for a video on creatures that are quite a change from the Abyssal fiends. So you can look forward to a lot more lore!
Idea for new character is a Demon Prince that's been exiled and forced to take Mortal form. Paladin Oath of Conquest. They pull their power from their own layer of abyss. How does this sound.
This is the first video of yours I've stumbled upon, and after just a few minutes in I'll confidently say, I can't wait to dive into your backlog and I'll be looking out for future projects. And if you're taking suggestions by any chance, a video over Sigil done with this amount of detail would be awesome. Every video I've seen about it only seems to scratch the surface and just leaves me wanting deeper lore
I've been wanting to look more into Sigil so I'll add this to my list. I still have quite a few projects in the works so it may be a while but I think it sounds like a fun topic.
@@nicthedm7650 it seems like a lot of your stuff is somewhat is tied into the multiverse and sigil is like the that on steroids lol but I'm stoked to hear that man! I'll definitely be keeping up 😁👍🏻
You got me hooked. I can't get away now if I wanted to. The lore got me bro. Planer lore spirals in on itself you know? If I were a Planes Walker I'd be so lost getting into too much trouble. Or dead within a week. Good thing it's make-believe.
Oh trust me, I know! Often while in the middle of working on a video I'll see something that either catches my eye, or something that contradicts another bit of lore I had learned previously and it's down the rabbit hole I go!
48:21 IIRC Dragon and Dungeon magazine's Savage Tide basically retconned the Fiendish Codex 1 Demogorgon into a mere aspect since their version was CR33. Plus Fiendish Codex 2 IIRC called all its archduke statblocks "Aspects" and told DMs to scale up as needed for the originals, which seemed like a "We shouldn't have made the main demon lords that weak" admission.
I remember hearing something about that but I couldn't find it at the time of making this video. It makes sense, but it's also funny considering the stats of 5e Demon Lords. I suppose we can chalk it up to power fluctuating.
I would love an adventure about the revival of Miska and him warring to gain his title back and/or his attempts to revive the Queen of Chaos. I imagine an evil party taking the side of either Demogorgon or Miska. I'd like a merging of the 3.5 e and 4 e lore making the Oberyth trans-multiversal interlopers, while still making Demogorgon, Orcus, Miska etc. Tenar'i and creations of the queen if chaos.
My first dnd campaign is kind of insane as i plan for the Demogorgon to be the final boss, im not using the proper dnd worlds im making my own and years ago a group of heroes trapped all demons and devils back where they came from, so a dude made by vecna ( i cany fit the whole lore in so it sounds weird) got the last stone of darkness and called the demon lords and archdevils and the Demogorgon answered it so vecnas kid stabbed himself with the stone and became vessel of the Demogorgon. Yep its wacky
Sometimes I miss the huge numbers 3.5 could give you. "I rolled a 16, so after all my modifiers, that's a 79. Is that high enough?" Then the DM takes another drink of his Moscow mule and says, "nope, the DC was 80." So much fun.
I needed to talk about Demogorgon a lot in this video because he's pretty much synonymous with the title "Prince of Demons", so to cover all there is about that important title I needed to talk about Demogorgon quite a bit. Don't worry, there is still plenty more about him when I eventually cover Demogorgon in a video specific to him.
@@nicthedm7650 yeah that’s cool boss,I was more curious about the back story to the picture. Like who’s the giant Nordic looking guy? Is that Pale Night? Who has the hood on? What are they discussing? That kinda thing. You’re doing a badass job boss,don’t think I’m criticizing or anything.
It’s from an adventure set before the events in Demons in the Underdark. The demon lords are all gathered in the Demonweb Pits waiting to hear Lolth’s plan to sow chaos in the Underdark - and in the meantime they will have to play nice with each other and behave unless they’re willing to defy and fight a full goddess in her own realm. Lolth is just on a different level. I think Demogorgon is on a raised podium to reflect his status as “Price of Demons” or yes maybe he is giving a TED talk after all…
@@miggypeso909It’s from “Expedition to the DemonWeb Pits” Chapter 6 Demon Council pp120-126 Grand Council Members. It features aspects of all the demon lords with full stats included. It gives you the option of swaying the discussion in favour of certain demon lord’s side, while displeasing other abyssal factions. Alternatively, it also gives you an option to just say screw it and have a battle royale with all of them in the same room.
@@jordanwhite8718 IDK, but Obox-Ob is Roger, Pazuzu is Rayleigh, Dagon is Whitebeard and Bechard is Laboon. So, let's say The Pale Night is either Dragon or Garp, the Luffy would be Graz'zt or one of his children. After all that ramble, Juiblex is a stretchy boy, tho. (don't think about the Laboon thing, that one is just sad)
That's Gorgant, an aspect of Demogorgon and a result of Demogorgon’s early work in demonic growth and hybridization. He comes from Dungeon Magazine 149.
I had an idea oh homebrew Avamerin into a demon lord after his fall, with different name and titles (for example 'Demon Priest' for serving and trying to revive Sertrous) who plans to, as mentioned, revive Setrous and get rid of the gods after what they did to him. Can this be possible?
I think so. The Demon Lord Adimarchus was a fallen planetar before becoming a Lord of the Abyss. And Avamerin already has a following through Sertrous so as long as he could maintain that power he could absolutely become a Demon Lord.
D&d lore is just messy but it gets even worse in the lower plains, take asmodeus for example a pint of his blood makes at least 1000 pit fiends. Exceptionally strong ones to. Dudes millions of years old and has infinite room to store them, he also desperately wants to rule everything, if he had bled one pint a year for just one million years then he would have 1 billion pit fiends and not a force in all the realms would have a damn chance.
That would be true if fhe blood war didnt exist. Both the devils and demons put so much of their power and resources towards the blood war, its because the abyss spawns so many demons all the time and the devils are the primary force thats holding the demons back from overtaking the other plains. Basically all the other realms are lucky they devils and demons are in a non stop war with eachother. Cause if at anytime the war ends and the demons or devils stop fighting, they could take over all the realms
Certainly! It's detailed throughout the video but in short; the fall of a Demon Lord can lead to power struggles among followers either trying to seat themselves at the top or gathering supporters and splitting off into smaller factions. Then, if the lord controlled a layer of the Abyss, the nature of that layer would change, perhaps even multiple times as it loses a lord only to potentially have another one take control. Then, if it had rivalries with other lords, there is a possibility of other Demon lords coming to claim land, followers, items etc. In short, it creates even more chaos.
Not quite. As far as 3rd edition was concerned. An aspect is a fragment of an entities power given form, it worked independently from the original. An avatar was a power that deities had to create multiple minor versions of themselves that they could see, hear and act through simultaneously. Essentially, avatars were like spells, getting rid of one didn't harm the original and just took time to restore. While aspects the original couldn't actually control remotely and destroying one could lessen the power of the original.
The 4e backstory for the Prince of Demons was.... convuluted. I prefer the underdog story, simple, concise, can actually explain it to my players without needing to info dump for 20 mins. Also shard of evil sounds so juvenile, it was clearly written with edgy teens in mind.
@@thetruthhurts4542 Thank you! And no worries, I appreciate any corrections I get. I just like to ask where the information comes from as I likely missed it. It's cool to know this comes straight from TSR.
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I love how u built up to this with so nuch care and detail, your really admirble
Thank you, thank you! As much work as this was, I did have fun. I like leaving no stone unturned, and I hope to do more of these.
@@nicthedm7650 I also hope u do! Also it's a great attitude
these series of videos are the best and deepest infos about the abyss and demons i have seen so far. Thank you and looking forward for more videos of you
You're very welcome, and thank you for the kind words. I think I'll be doing a video on celestials soon so that will be a change of pace.
@@nicthedm7650 personal, i hope you will be feature other planes too. There are already tons of videos of Baator, Abyss or Mount Celestia. But Bytopia, Pandemonium, Arcadia or Beastlands (and many others) lack a lot. But i totally understand you focus (first) on the ones with big interest and attention and not the "nerdy" ones :D
@@nicthedm7650thanks for the video
@@jacobshelt01 You're very welcome. Thank you for watching!
In the 90s we had 8 level 5 characters fight Demogorgon. Demogorgon allowed two of us to live.
How gracious of the Prince of Demons!
Grazzt was asmodeus' son, fact. He fought through 2 1/2 layers of the abyss in the blood war and got corrupted and became a demon lord.
The powers of the abyss care. A pantheon of gods from a world in another sphere cleared out a couple layers, and the abyss itself killed them, and one layer has a patheon of dead gods in it.
@nicthedm7650 He played around with us. Due to his dual heads Demogorgon had two attacks. Add his modifiers and we were toast.
@@aaronsalinas3854 Grazzt is both Baatezu and Tanar'ri is he not?
Thanks for all your hard work, man. I love these videos and appreciate your research.
I'm glad to hear it! I really enjoy these detailed videos and I'm happy others enjoy watching/listening to them.
Despite appearances, this is one of the best video essays I've seen on D&D, right up there with the greats on RUclips. You ABSOLUTELY deserve to get a shout-out and more subs/likes. Therefore, I am doing my part by liking, subscribing, and commenting to show my support!
I am definitely going to binge your previous videos as this one was the one that brought me here 😁
Thank you so much! I know some of my much older videos aren't up to the current standards shown in recent videos, but I hope you enjoy. I'm certainly striving to be one of the best D&D channels so I hope to continue creating even better content going forward!
I'm stoked to listen to this. Thanks for putting out excellent material.
Thank you! I'll strive to continue making detailed videos like this.
Nice work. I hope you keep doing these with all the other creatures in the dnd universe. I can never get enough lore
You're in luck! I'm currently researching for a video on creatures that are quite a change from the Abyssal fiends. So you can look forward to a lot more lore!
Idea for new character is a Demon Prince that's been exiled and forced to take Mortal form. Paladin Oath of Conquest. They pull their power from their own layer of abyss. How does this sound.
Sounds cool! Lots of motivation for the character to grow stronger quickly.
Your voice is perfect for this. Very calm, well-paced and professional delivery. Great content
Thank you! All those years of drama class are finally paying off. lol
"Faster than a prime material denizen changes their mind" - Says the guy native to the plane of Limbo.
I know right! Xanxost has to be my favorite Planar scholar.
This is the first video of yours I've stumbled upon, and after just a few minutes in I'll confidently say, I can't wait to dive into your backlog and I'll be looking out for future projects. And if you're taking suggestions by any chance, a video over Sigil done with this amount of detail would be awesome. Every video I've seen about it only seems to scratch the surface and just leaves me wanting deeper lore
I've been wanting to look more into Sigil so I'll add this to my list. I still have quite a few projects in the works so it may be a while but I think it sounds like a fun topic.
@@nicthedm7650 it seems like a lot of your stuff is somewhat is tied into the multiverse and sigil is like the that on steroids lol but I'm stoked to hear that man! I'll definitely be keeping up 😁👍🏻
I would love to rap with you about my homebrew pantheon using some of these Demon Lords in my D&D campaign. Good video bud.
Your work should be allowed in Candlekeep. Well done sir.
Such high praise! Thank you!
I love Demon Lords! I'm currently playing a Goblin Spore Druid that worships Zuggtmoy.
Superb video, was hoping there was new info I didn't know but nope. I love demons and the abyss def some of my fav dnd lore of all time
You got me hooked. I can't get away now if I wanted to. The lore got me bro. Planer lore spirals in on itself you know? If I were a Planes Walker I'd be so lost getting into too much trouble. Or dead within a week.
Good thing it's make-believe.
Oh trust me, I know! Often while in the middle of working on a video I'll see something that either catches my eye, or something that contradicts another bit of lore I had learned previously and it's down the rabbit hole I go!
48:21 IIRC Dragon and Dungeon magazine's Savage Tide basically retconned the Fiendish Codex 1 Demogorgon into a mere aspect since their version was CR33. Plus Fiendish Codex 2 IIRC called all its archduke statblocks "Aspects" and told DMs to scale up as needed for the originals, which seemed like a "We shouldn't have made the main demon lords that weak" admission.
I remember hearing something about that but I couldn't find it at the time of making this video. It makes sense, but it's also funny considering the stats of 5e Demon Lords. I suppose we can chalk it up to power fluctuating.
Great video! Your nine months of work gave birth to a wonderfully demonic creation lol.
Thank you very much!
I would love an adventure about the revival of Miska and him warring to gain his title back and/or his attempts to revive the Queen of Chaos.
I imagine an evil party taking the side of either Demogorgon or Miska.
I'd like a merging of the 3.5 e and 4 e lore making the Oberyth trans-multiversal interlopers, while still making Demogorgon, Orcus, Miska etc. Tenar'i and creations of the queen if chaos.
Not to spoil anything, but Miska does have a role in Vecna: Eve of Ruin.
This was really well done, bravo sir 👍👍
Thank you!
My first dnd campaign is kind of insane as i plan for the Demogorgon to be the final boss, im not using the proper dnd worlds im making my own and years ago a group of heroes trapped all demons and devils back where they came from, so a dude made by vecna ( i cany fit the whole lore in so it sounds weird) got the last stone of darkness and called the demon lords and archdevils and the Demogorgon answered it so vecnas kid stabbed himself with the stone and became vessel of the Demogorgon.
Yep its wacky
Sometimes I miss the huge numbers 3.5 could give you. "I rolled a 16, so after all my modifiers, that's a 79. Is that high enough?" Then the DM takes another drink of his Moscow mule and says, "nope, the DC was 80." So much fun.
Despite having read so much about 3.5e, I've yet to actually play it. But I'm excited to actually experience it one day, it sounds fun!
@@nicthedm7650 It's a great edition! So much customization.
“The sh!t-abyss”
-Jim Lahey
Hear that Randy? Its the whispering winds of shit
I am so tempted to name my soon to be born son ‘Obox-ob’.
Demogorgon is my favorite demon, my mom got me the out of the abyss book and I'm dming it. I'm 13, but I'm creative. I'm exited to play demogorgon
There's also a couple layers dominated by those bat winged Monstrous Humanoid or was it magical beast guys from 3e Fiend Folio
Awesome vid! Thanks for the huge amount of effort this mustve taken.
Thank you! It was a good amount of work but in the end I had fun. Plus I learned a lot of new facts!
So what’s the story with the Demogorgon TED Talk?
I needed to talk about Demogorgon a lot in this video because he's pretty much synonymous with the title "Prince of Demons", so to cover all there is about that important title I needed to talk about Demogorgon quite a bit. Don't worry, there is still plenty more about him when I eventually cover Demogorgon in a video specific to him.
@@nicthedm7650 yeah that’s cool boss,I was more curious about the back story to the picture. Like who’s the giant Nordic looking guy? Is that Pale Night? Who has the hood on? What are they discussing? That kinda thing. You’re doing a badass job boss,don’t think I’m criticizing or anything.
It’s from an adventure set before the events in Demons in the Underdark. The demon lords are all gathered in the Demonweb Pits waiting to hear Lolth’s plan to sow chaos in the Underdark - and in the meantime they will have to play nice with each other and behave unless they’re willing to defy and fight a full goddess in her own realm. Lolth is just on a different level.
I think Demogorgon is on a raised podium to reflect his status as “Price of Demons” or yes maybe he is giving a TED talk after all…
@@austinaustin8566 well that’s cool,would happen to know the modules name? Cuz that’s honestly badass!!
@@miggypeso909It’s from “Expedition to the DemonWeb Pits” Chapter 6 Demon Council pp120-126 Grand Council Members. It features aspects of all the demon lords with full stats included. It gives you the option of swaying the discussion in favour of certain demon lord’s side, while displeasing other abyssal factions. Alternatively, it also gives you an option to just say screw it and have a battle royale with all of them in the same room.
5:24 So Pazunia is The Grand Line and The Shard of Ultimate Evil is the One Piece, got it.
LOL! That's a pretty good analogy.
So who’s Luffy?
@@jordanwhite8718 IDK, but Obox-Ob is Roger, Pazuzu is Rayleigh, Dagon is Whitebeard and Bechard is Laboon. So, let's say The Pale Night is either Dragon or Garp, the Luffy would be Graz'zt or one of his children. After all that ramble, Juiblex is a stretchy boy, tho.
(don't think about the Laboon thing, that one is just sad)
1:00:50 BoVD and later 3.5 stuff like the FC just has them granting spells willy nilly.
1:06:46 An outsider's body IS its soul, so maybe the body disappears when it jars?
That's a really good point!
44:03 What's the pincer handed both-heads-attached-directly Demogorgon from?
That's Gorgant, an aspect of Demogorgon and a result of Demogorgon’s early work in demonic growth and hybridization. He comes from Dungeon Magazine 149.
You should cover epic level monster or Elder Evils
Absolutely! I have both of those topics in my big list of video ideas. I've just got some other videos ahead of them right now.
Please do the Elder Evils specifically Ragnora.
I had an idea oh homebrew Avamerin into a demon lord after his fall, with different name and titles (for example 'Demon Priest' for serving and trying to revive Sertrous) who plans to, as mentioned, revive Setrous and get rid of the gods after what they did to him. Can this be possible?
I think so. The Demon Lord Adimarchus was a fallen planetar before becoming a Lord of the Abyss. And Avamerin already has a following through Sertrous so as long as he could maintain that power he could absolutely become a Demon Lord.
Hang on I thought demogorgan was the first evil mortal sent to the abyss?
1:14:30 ahh never mind.
Day 1 club!
D&d lore is just messy but it gets even worse in the lower plains, take asmodeus for example a pint of his blood makes at least 1000 pit fiends. Exceptionally strong ones to. Dudes millions of years old and has infinite room to store them, he also desperately wants to rule everything, if he had bled one pint a year for just one million years then he would have 1 billion pit fiends and not a force in all the realms would have a damn chance.
That would be true if fhe blood war didnt exist. Both the devils and demons put so much of their power and resources towards the blood war, its because the abyss spawns so many demons all the time and the devils are the primary force thats holding the demons back from overtaking the other plains. Basically all the other realms are lucky they devils and demons are in a non stop war with eachother. Cause if at anytime the war ends and the demons or devils stop fighting, they could take over all the realms
There's a bit of crackle and the highs get a lil too high on the audio. Great topic tho, enjoying the vid
Yeah, sorry about that. I've been looking into trying out the audio filters on my OBS but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll see what I can do.
do a video on DND asuras
The rod of law also know as that stick that the cops beat my a$$ with😅😅😅
18:48
Asking before the video and will probably be answered but what are the consequences of a demon lord being perma killed
Certainly! It's detailed throughout the video but in short; the fall of a Demon Lord can lead to power struggles among followers either trying to seat themselves at the top or gathering supporters and splitting off into smaller factions. Then, if the lord controlled a layer of the Abyss, the nature of that layer would change, perhaps even multiple times as it loses a lord only to potentially have another one take control. Then, if it had rivalries with other lords, there is a possibility of other Demon lords coming to claim land, followers, items etc.
In short, it creates even more chaos.
So an aspect is just a different name for an avatar?
Not quite. As far as 3rd edition was concerned. An aspect is a fragment of an entities power given form, it worked independently from the original.
An avatar was a power that deities had to create multiple minor versions of themselves that they could see, hear and act through simultaneously.
Essentially, avatars were like spells, getting rid of one didn't harm the original and just took time to restore. While aspects the original couldn't actually control remotely and destroying one could lessen the power of the original.
I red lemon demon for some reason, also I guess fck my life. Fuck it... Not not the thing nope.
The 4e backstory for the Prince of Demons was.... convuluted. I prefer the underdog story, simple, concise, can actually explain it to my players without needing to info dump for 20 mins. Also shard of evil sounds so juvenile, it was clearly written with edgy teens in mind.
Its gra zit.
Not grazz.
Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. Do you remember where you found that because I couldn't find anything on his pronunciation.
@@nicthedm7650 i wasn’t criticizing you. I met people from tsr and they corrected me.
Great videos btw
@@thetruthhurts4542 Thank you! And no worries, I appreciate any corrections I get. I just like to ask where the information comes from as I likely missed it. It's cool to know this comes straight from TSR.