Yes, right after the World Wound we have what came out of it. Just like the undead after Geb. I can't wait for the next awesome regional deep dive that will spawn a great creature feature.
Would love shorter deep dives into individual demons/demon lords, you give great info but knowing more about a demon lord would go a long way in inspiring campaign ideas
Finding the right level of detail is always hard. For now I'm just trying to cover as much ground as possible, but once I've done more of these I can do deeper dives into specific figures potentially.
We're currently playing 5e in my custom world, not PF2e or Golarion. But I did take the bit of lore that demon lords have to be killed twice within a short period of time or else they gain their Abyssal resurrection ability, and the group is currently on an excursion to kill Orcus permanently, coming off the tail of events in my world. So this is coincidental timing. I find Paizo's interpretation of demons, being personifications of sin, to be a breath of fresh air compared to D&Ds, which sort of kill and destroy just to kill and destroy. In fact I find that the fact that all of the fiendish outsiders embody a certain ideal like sin for demons or death for daemons is very useful to to quickly figure out at a glance what makes a balor demon different from a nalfashnee.
Yeah they definitely took the old staples, shuffled them up a bit, and tried to figure out a way to give the categories and individual fiend types a little more identity. I think we may see some of this pushed even further was remaster and future iterations of the game.
A tip on distinguishing Demons & Daemons in pronounciation, pronounce Daemon as you would Matt Damon or alternatively as Diamond. Most people I've heard that come across the Daemon spelling use the Matt Damon variant but both are very good to separate them from demons in speech I think.
Hey, love your videos! I really like lore deep dives, especially these since I've been GMing Pathfinder games for years now and your videos already helped me add some background knowledge for my players. I would love a region deep dive of Absalom and the Isle of Kortos
I've been looking forward to this video and it delivered - well done again :) My favorite is still your Dark Tapestry episode because I adore unknowable Lovecraftian realms and eldritch gods, but this contends. Now here's an expansive rogue's gallery to sink one's teeth (or more likely swords and spells) into. Demons embody actual human vices cranked up to max. That means killing, outsmarting, or conspiring with them is especially compelling because they are relatable or horrifying temptations/failings from real life made manifest. This episode is rich with potential adventuring hooks and campaign-defining villains. Devils will drown you in paperwork, put you into morally difficult situations, and can be deceptively reasonable. The impression I got of daemons of Abaddon is that they are destruction incarnate and only want to obliterate everything. Contrasting that we have demons who are at least as beholden to their immediate desires as mortals and that gives them weaknesses to be exploited. Out-bargaining a devil for gain is basically impossible and likely very tedious. Conversely the potential for manipulating a short-sighted demon presents an incredibly high-risk, high-reward venture that toes the line between dumbest thing a player could do and thrilling lucrative adventure. Plus very few entities frown if you deceive a demon to your gain and it's detriment. If want a hook to toss your players into a maelstrom of intrigue, violence, or temptation and reward clever play you could do far worse than a demon's temptations or interference. Ideologically I'd probably oppose Abraxas most readily because I love knowledge but I also fervently believe widespread education and transparency are critical social ethics. On the flip side, I view secrets used to exploit and control others (e.g. buying politicians under the table, criminal syndicates bribing authorities, insider trading etc.) as causing an inordinate amount of suffering. Thus Abraxas' portfolio of hiding knowledge and making sure secrets never come to light particularly motivates me. I also had a moment of hate when you discussed Areshkagal, but that's entirely because her temple dungeon in WotR is such a pain in the ass :) Nocticula's story is nice because it's good to know that while angels may fall, demons can also ascend - a compelling theme that also came up in the WotR game actually.
Rock on! I always welcome your comments and what a meaty one. You've kind of hit the nail on the head here. Demons are among the most compelling of the fiends because in many ways they are the most like us. They have desires for community, for recognition, even for love on occasion, its just all wrapped up in selfishness and egotism. As I mentioned in my other video though, I have a real soft-spot for Daemons too. They're the most linearly evil in some way, the most predatory and in some ways the most dangerous. They're harder to understand than devils (who think more long term and can be bargained with - albeit at great danger) and they are much less sympathetic than demons. They're the most primitive and animalistic, and I always like the idea of a PC trying to 'do a deal' with a daemon without really understanding what they're dealing with!
@@TheMythKeeper Thank you! You put a lot of effort into your work so I like to share some of the thoughts your episodes prompt. Before your video on daemons of Abaddon, I definitely would have been one of those people negotiating blindly. I'd still try to play a PC who is ignorant unless they had some reason to know a daemon's nature since metagaming is less fun for me than working around "mistakes". After your video though, I feel like bargaining with a daemon of war, pestilence, etc. would be akin to attempting a mutually beneficial agreement with a sentient hurricane. I think you're a better fan of daemons than I am. As I've mentioned, to me they seem simplistic and impersonal but I'm always down to learn your side of the argument. It would be interesting seeing how you'd DM a daemon to a party that didn't know better to make it more than just a combat encounter. Your upload rate is great considering the duration and effort you put into these videos, but perhaps down the road you could release your thoughts on DM'ing different monsters/villains/mindsets to be more than hostile xp reservoirs to be slain.
@@ColinGrym - I might branch out and do some videos about GMing at some point, but Pathfinder is *so dense* that I think I will have my hands full doing lore content for a good long while here (at least a year is my guess). If I do a GMing video it might be that I've finally decided to do a collab with another RUclipsr or something along those lines. As for how I'd use a Daemon in a game, I'd love to do something akin to Cherubael from the Eisenhorn novels, where it essentially plays along for as long as its bound, looking for an opening to kill everything as soon as someone slips up. Basically play it like a very intelligent caged animal. I'm less interested in a Daemon as the 'big bad' to an adventure, a Devil or Demon actually works better, because of the more complicated motivations. But I like the simplicity and potential creepiness of daemons. ;-)
@@TheMythKeeper That's fair. Even with your pace at presenting the lore I can see your plate being full for a long time. There's the existing lore, the remaster, and all the requests you're already juggling that more closely fit more the flavor of the channel. Plus if you decide to make deep dives on individuals at some later point you can always fit in how they tend to interact with others and that will basically accomplish the same thing. The Cherubael angle is interesting and that long-term relationship would perhaps fit a summoner with a rebellious-but-coerced eidolon. Potential conflicts in conversation and ideology would mean both DM and player would have to be on board, but there's definitely unique roleplay potential there. *Slight spoiler warning for the excellent Eisenhorn books* As well, I enjoyed the changing dynamics between Cherubael and Eisenhorn as Eisenhorn gains power. One of the most satisfying moments in the Eisenhorn arc is when Cherubael admits that Gregor has begun to scare him. That admission is a very impactful method of portraying how far Eisenhorn has come from a baseline human. I could easily see it being mirrored in a player summoner that gains power as they level. E.g. initially the binding ritual has to restrict the daemon heavily and limits it's power, but as the summoner becomes more adept and personally powerful they can relax the restrictions to empower their eidolon with new abilities (or can they? Hubris when dealing with a barely bound, bitter daemon? Hmmm...).
@@ColinGrym - Haha! See you're liking this idea. Honestly playing a Summoner and working with your GM to have your Eidolon be a Daemon that you're only partially in control of is such a FANTASTIC concept. Definitely something to do next time I'm a player again. Also Daemons are capable of change (just like other post-mortal types) its just much rarer for them. One example: The Pale Horse, who is now a Psychopomp Usher, used to be a Daemon once.
This video scratches a nice nostalgic itch to the days I played Wrath of the Righteous. Still the game with the most play hours in my Steam library. Thank you.
I don’t much care for the Fiends, but I’m happy to have this and your video on Devils and Daemons since I’m already using your videos on Celestials/Empyrral Lords in one of my (many) homebrew settings as the major religious sects, and I figure it’s also good to know the bad guys. So, thank you to introducing me to some compelling villains (or beings villains can worship) There are also a couple of demon lords I like: I’ve always enjoyed the concept of the Gorilla King (and Angazhan just looks cool) and I LOVE Nocticula as the Redeemer Queen. I also have to wonder about Aldinach. Given her association with deserts and scorpions I have to imagine her cult comes into conflicts with the followers of Selket regularly.
Instant like. Haagenti seems very interesting to me. Planning to add to my campaign his sect, who sell more and more devastating weapons to both sides of the military conflict to keep it going.
Also, completely forgot about Yhidothrus. Have a plan to fully convert Age of Worms to Golarion (after hours and hours of translation from english), and this lovely 'little' buddy seems relatable to this subject
Love this video because of the flavour of the demon lords, it can give motivation and character to enemies and surprise the pcs with their plans being less obvious and more arcane and obscure, E.G. the pcs being hunted by followers of Jezelda, followers of Gogunta wanting to protect their dark shrine, Kabriri followers attempoting to 'infiltrate' a mauseleum, and so forth.
Hey, my absolute favourite class of fiend! I love that you touched on how Demonkind are much more nuanced than just mindless, wanton destruction. However, I did have a question. Are we sure that Socothbenoth inherited Nocticula's domain? I recall a few sources, including Midwives of Death, Lords of Chaos, and the Midnight Isles which indicated that Shamira, the only succubus to have seduced Nocticula and thus the ruler of Alushinyrra, the capital city of the Midnight Isles, was herself a nascent Demon Lord and the most likely to replace Nocticula.
IIRC, that info came from the Nocticula section of the new Gods & Magic book. That being said, I think he's not a direct replacement, more of a spiritual successor as he definitely has his own idiom.
Another great video! I do think it's funny that demons "evolve" like Digimon (I have not seen much Digimon tbf), they look totally different as they get stronger forms. Very fun overview!
Daemon is derived from the Greek Daimon (Die Mon), it transitioned through Germanic into this spelling by way of the letter Ash (æ) which is pronounced the same as the letter A in Cat. So, Dahmon roughly. Just a protip from a lay linguist ;)
I know the root etymology. Daemon is just the older english spelling of Demon, and in UK English it is pronounced the way the US word Demon is. I'm English originally and pronouncing it any other way feels like I'm intentionally mispronouncing it. (Note Warhammer's demons are all spelled daemons as well for the same reason.) www.google.com/search?q=how+to+pronounce+daemon
Love your videos! Beginning my first time as a GM in a few weeks and they have been so incredibly helpful. Would it be possible to maybe include what book the stat line or bulk of lore can be found alongside the creature/character? Would be great!
Nice video, as always. While I enjoy the regional and ancestry deep dives, have you ever thought of exploring factions? Or influential individuals like major leaders, main antagonists, or any of the Iconics? If you don't have the time that's cool, just curious to see those takes.
Just to clarify, I know many of these people were covered in the regional videos. Just wondering if you thought any of them were interesting enough to get a more singular spotlight, like the Iconics. Thanks again.
Yes, I expect we'll see a subtle shift across the board, but I don't think we'll get canonical shifts in the names, domains and general ethos of the demons. We may also end up with some additional name changes however, to further differentiate the setting from D&D. (I would be surprised if Orcus becomes Necrotus or something for example.)
I'm getting there slowly, but it's one of the big ones so I'm building up my backlog of content before tackling that one so I don't end up missing a week. We're probably a good few months out before my Absalom / Kortos video will come out.
With the dark elves being shelved (at least for the moment) in the revision, I do wonder how this will impact the different demon lords. Also, thanks for answering who stepped into Nocticula's spot. I'd looked for that answer a few times with no good answers.
So from this video i assume Owlcat's PF:WOTR game deviates from the lore a bit? In the game, there are no toad demons but in its place there's the Abrikandalu demons which serves the same purpose of demons that defiles beauty and art. There's also 2 demon lords, Nayhindri and Sithudd, who is not mentioned here so i guess they're homebrewed?
Great question! I should have put a disclaimer that this video is by no means totally comprehensive (although I did try my best). Sithhud is what is called a "Nascent Demon Lord" like Treerazor, and there were simply too many of them to number here. Nahyndri was a fullblown demon lord, but is dead, killed by Nocticula thousands of years ago (as described in the CRPG as well IIRC). Both are canon to Pathfinder tabletop and to the CRPG. Abrikandalu's are also in Pathfinder. In fact there are dozens of demon entries in PF1. ( www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/ - right column) So for a video like this I basically was picking my battles and trying to focus on the main ones I thought would be useful to the greatest number of GMs.
i thought babau was pronounced as bah-BAY-yoo Nurgal and Areshkagal were stand ins for Nergel and Ereshkigal, who were listed as demon lords in MM2 but were never expanded on and were acknowledged as deities in later supplements.
A secret about me is that I spoke Italian before I spoke English (long, long ago) so my instinct for pronouncing fantasy words is quite different from most native english-speakers. I almost always favor a short vowel (the 'a' in hat) over a long vowel (the 'a' in hate); so you might be right that the second 'a' is meant to be long, but its not my instinctual pronunciation.
@@TheMythKeeper Dragon magazine did publish a pronunciation guide to all these names. Juiblex is pronounced as JOO-blex but I hear so many said JOO-EE-blex.
Baba Yaga isn't a god, she's just a living witch of such power she is comparable to most post-mortal beings. Like many mortals of her power level (like Old Mage Jatembe for example) she tends to view gods as equals rather than beings to be venerated. As such although there might have been a time in her existence where she considered someone like Mastamaa to be a paragon of sorts for hags and witches, she no longer feels a need to have such a patron herself.
@@TheMythKeeperthanks for answering. Kinda surprised Baba Yaga hasn't become a demigod yet. Im sure she'd get plenty of evil worshippers if she wanted to.
@@TheMythKeeper Absolutely, yes. Your tone is hyper consistent to the point of it being a little odd, and it sounds like every sentence is a different take. Both being significant tells of AI voice recordings. I like the content but I'm wary of AI wiki readers crowding out the lore space on youtube.
@@ShumaBot Okay, well I promise you I'm 100% a human being. The thing about every sentence sounding slightly different is probably accurate. I record in San Francisco and I don't have a studio. The streets are noisy as hell so I'm forced to stop recording and start recording constantly. Its an enormous hassle. Sometimes this means I'm clipping together different parts of sentences together to cut out the sound of a screeching car. As for the consistency of tone, that's just what I sound like I guess!
Lots of dark elves worship Abraxis? It's because they're snake people! Snake people I tells 'ya! SNAKE PEOPLE!!! (I am immediately abducted by two men in suits and stuffed into a black van.)
It was built into the OGL. Pathfinder didn't set out to build its own RPG, it originally wanted to do a setting for D&D. Then over time it built its own identity. OGL had so much stuff built in. I think now that Pathfinder has its own following there are a lot of things the team probably wishes they had done slightly differently. I'm guessing we'll get some pretty chunky lore changes with REMASTER as we move away from OGL.
I'm guessing he doesn't know what happened? 3.5 D&D my man. I forget how long it's been. People don't even know what happened or why there's even a Pathfinder. That's what must be annoying to you. Freedom to speak your mind without an inkling of what you are saying. Just because we have freedom of speech doesn't mean you should. WoTC needs to burn down. Be on the right side.
Yes, right after the World Wound we have what came out of it. Just like the undead after Geb. I can't wait for the next awesome regional deep dive that will spawn a great creature feature.
I'm trying more and more to time my creature, deep dive and religion series to sync up better. Sometimes it works really well like this.
@TheMythKeeper it worked out perfectly 10/10.
I have been waiting for your take on Nocticula. She is a favorite.
I really dig her too!
Would love shorter deep dives into individual demons/demon lords, you give great info but knowing more about a demon lord would go a long way in inspiring campaign ideas
Finding the right level of detail is always hard. For now I'm just trying to cover as much ground as possible, but once I've done more of these I can do deeper dives into specific figures potentially.
We're currently playing 5e in my custom world, not PF2e or Golarion. But I did take the bit of lore that demon lords have to be killed twice within a short period of time or else they gain their Abyssal resurrection ability, and the group is currently on an excursion to kill Orcus permanently, coming off the tail of events in my world. So this is coincidental timing.
I find Paizo's interpretation of demons, being personifications of sin, to be a breath of fresh air compared to D&Ds, which sort of kill and destroy just to kill and destroy. In fact I find that the fact that all of the fiendish outsiders embody a certain ideal like sin for demons or death for daemons is very useful to to quickly figure out at a glance what makes a balor demon different from a nalfashnee.
Yeah they definitely took the old staples, shuffled them up a bit, and tried to figure out a way to give the categories and individual fiend types a little more identity. I think we may see some of this pushed even further was remaster and future iterations of the game.
Having a blast playing as a succubus (enchanment wizard) demon in Wotr, love the content.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is perfect timing, I'm making a campaign right now that has a Demon Lord invading the world and I've been thinking about which one to use!
Awesome! You're very welcome
The Path of the Righteous game and its adventure path were great inspiration for my demon invasion campaign
A tip on distinguishing Demons & Daemons in pronounciation, pronounce Daemon as you would Matt Damon or alternatively as Diamond. Most people I've heard that come across the Daemon spelling use the Matt Damon variant but both are very good to separate them from demons in speech I think.
The timing on your last two couldn't have been more serendipitous. I just finished wrath of the righteous. These videos are great. Thank you sir 🙏
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed 🙂
Awesome! thx for this work. I didn't know about the redemption and ascention of Nocticula
Its one of the major changes in the new edition and I really love it.
Hey, love your videos! I really like lore deep dives, especially these since I've been GMing Pathfinder games for years now and your videos already helped me add some background knowledge for my players. I would love a region deep dive of Absalom and the Isle of Kortos
Glad you like them! Absalom video is coming, but its still a ways out right now.
Glorious! Always a great day when Mythkeeper uploads. Time to learn about demons. Have a spectacular day everyone! Thanks for the vid.
Thanks as always!
*salute*
This is glorious.
Thank you so much!
I've been looking forward to this video and it delivered - well done again :) My favorite is still your Dark Tapestry episode because I adore unknowable Lovecraftian realms and eldritch gods, but this contends. Now here's an expansive rogue's gallery to sink one's teeth (or more likely swords and spells) into. Demons embody actual human vices cranked up to max. That means killing, outsmarting, or conspiring with them is especially compelling because they are relatable or horrifying temptations/failings from real life made manifest.
This episode is rich with potential adventuring hooks and campaign-defining villains. Devils will drown you in paperwork, put you into morally difficult situations, and can be deceptively reasonable. The impression I got of daemons of Abaddon is that they are destruction incarnate and only want to obliterate everything. Contrasting that we have demons who are at least as beholden to their immediate desires as mortals and that gives them weaknesses to be exploited. Out-bargaining a devil for gain is basically impossible and likely very tedious. Conversely the potential for manipulating a short-sighted demon presents an incredibly high-risk, high-reward venture that toes the line between dumbest thing a player could do and thrilling lucrative adventure. Plus very few entities frown if you deceive a demon to your gain and it's detriment. If want a hook to toss your players into a maelstrom of intrigue, violence, or temptation and reward clever play you could do far worse than a demon's temptations or interference.
Ideologically I'd probably oppose Abraxas most readily because I love knowledge but I also fervently believe widespread education and transparency are critical social ethics. On the flip side, I view secrets used to exploit and control others (e.g. buying politicians under the table, criminal syndicates bribing authorities, insider trading etc.) as causing an inordinate amount of suffering. Thus Abraxas' portfolio of hiding knowledge and making sure secrets never come to light particularly motivates me. I also had a moment of hate when you discussed Areshkagal, but that's entirely because her temple dungeon in WotR is such a pain in the ass :) Nocticula's story is nice because it's good to know that while angels may fall, demons can also ascend - a compelling theme that also came up in the WotR game actually.
Rock on! I always welcome your comments and what a meaty one. You've kind of hit the nail on the head here. Demons are among the most compelling of the fiends because in many ways they are the most like us. They have desires for community, for recognition, even for love on occasion, its just all wrapped up in selfishness and egotism.
As I mentioned in my other video though, I have a real soft-spot for Daemons too. They're the most linearly evil in some way, the most predatory and in some ways the most dangerous. They're harder to understand than devils (who think more long term and can be bargained with - albeit at great danger) and they are much less sympathetic than demons. They're the most primitive and animalistic, and I always like the idea of a PC trying to 'do a deal' with a daemon without really understanding what they're dealing with!
@@TheMythKeeper Thank you! You put a lot of effort into your work so I like to share some of the thoughts your episodes prompt. Before your video on daemons of Abaddon, I definitely would have been one of those people negotiating blindly. I'd still try to play a PC who is ignorant unless they had some reason to know a daemon's nature since metagaming is less fun for me than working around "mistakes". After your video though, I feel like bargaining with a daemon of war, pestilence, etc. would be akin to attempting a mutually beneficial agreement with a sentient hurricane.
I think you're a better fan of daemons than I am. As I've mentioned, to me they seem simplistic and impersonal but I'm always down to learn your side of the argument. It would be interesting seeing how you'd DM a daemon to a party that didn't know better to make it more than just a combat encounter. Your upload rate is great considering the duration and effort you put into these videos, but perhaps down the road you could release your thoughts on DM'ing different monsters/villains/mindsets to be more than hostile xp reservoirs to be slain.
@@ColinGrym - I might branch out and do some videos about GMing at some point, but Pathfinder is *so dense* that I think I will have my hands full doing lore content for a good long while here (at least a year is my guess). If I do a GMing video it might be that I've finally decided to do a collab with another RUclipsr or something along those lines.
As for how I'd use a Daemon in a game, I'd love to do something akin to Cherubael from the Eisenhorn novels, where it essentially plays along for as long as its bound, looking for an opening to kill everything as soon as someone slips up. Basically play it like a very intelligent caged animal.
I'm less interested in a Daemon as the 'big bad' to an adventure, a Devil or Demon actually works better, because of the more complicated motivations. But I like the simplicity and potential creepiness of daemons. ;-)
@@TheMythKeeper That's fair. Even with your pace at presenting the lore I can see your plate being full for a long time. There's the existing lore, the remaster, and all the requests you're already juggling that more closely fit more the flavor of the channel. Plus if you decide to make deep dives on individuals at some later point you can always fit in how they tend to interact with others and that will basically accomplish the same thing.
The Cherubael angle is interesting and that long-term relationship would perhaps fit a summoner with a rebellious-but-coerced eidolon. Potential conflicts in conversation and ideology would mean both DM and player would have to be on board, but there's definitely unique roleplay potential there. *Slight spoiler warning for the excellent Eisenhorn books* As well, I enjoyed the changing dynamics between Cherubael and Eisenhorn as Eisenhorn gains power. One of the most satisfying moments in the Eisenhorn arc is when Cherubael admits that Gregor has begun to scare him. That admission is a very impactful method of portraying how far Eisenhorn has come from a baseline human. I could easily see it being mirrored in a player summoner that gains power as they level. E.g. initially the binding ritual has to restrict the daemon heavily and limits it's power, but as the summoner becomes more adept and personally powerful they can relax the restrictions to empower their eidolon with new abilities (or can they? Hubris when dealing with a barely bound, bitter daemon? Hmmm...).
@@ColinGrym - Haha! See you're liking this idea. Honestly playing a Summoner and working with your GM to have your Eidolon be a Daemon that you're only partially in control of is such a FANTASTIC concept. Definitely something to do next time I'm a player again. Also Daemons are capable of change (just like other post-mortal types) its just much rarer for them. One example: The Pale Horse, who is now a Psychopomp Usher, used to be a Daemon once.
This video scratches a nice nostalgic itch to the days I played Wrath of the Righteous. Still the game with the most play hours in my Steam library. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
soon we get to the more insane options as those always felt cooler than the stuff imported from DND.
Yeah its not far now
I don’t much care for the Fiends, but I’m happy to have this and your video on Devils and Daemons since I’m already using your videos on Celestials/Empyrral Lords in one of my (many) homebrew settings as the major religious sects, and I figure it’s also good to know the bad guys. So, thank you to introducing me to some compelling villains (or beings villains can worship)
There are also a couple of demon lords I like: I’ve always enjoyed the concept of the Gorilla King (and Angazhan just looks cool) and I LOVE Nocticula as the Redeemer Queen.
I also have to wonder about Aldinach. Given her association with deserts and scorpions I have to imagine her cult comes into conflicts with the followers of Selket regularly.
This really gives me some nice context as I plan to go Demon Mythic Path in Pathfinder: Wrath of the righteous :) Thanks!
Awesome, glad to help!
Instant like. Haagenti seems very interesting to me. Planning to add to my campaign his sect, who sell more and more devastating weapons to both sides of the military conflict to keep it going.
Also, completely forgot about Yhidothrus. Have a plan to fully convert Age of Worms to Golarion (after hours and hours of translation from english), and this lovely 'little' buddy seems relatable to this subject
I also really liked Haagenti. More mentions of him in my upcoming Nex video as well.
10:18 When the Hezrou, the toad demon came up I was like "Ahh yes, for mortals who committed the sin of toad"
The worst sin of all!
Nice videos keep up the good work :)
Love this video because of the flavour of the demon lords, it can give motivation and character to enemies and surprise the pcs with their plans being less obvious and more arcane and obscure, E.G. the pcs being hunted by followers of Jezelda, followers of Gogunta wanting to protect their dark shrine, Kabriri followers attempoting to 'infiltrate' a mauseleum, and so forth.
Mazmezz is a new favorite! Thanks again, MythKeeper!
Great work as always friend! 😎
Thanks so much for watching and supporting the channel! Hope you enjoyed this one ;-)
Hey, my absolute favourite class of fiend! I love that you touched on how Demonkind are much more nuanced than just mindless, wanton destruction.
However, I did have a question. Are we sure that Socothbenoth inherited Nocticula's domain? I recall a few sources, including Midwives of Death, Lords of Chaos, and the Midnight Isles which indicated that Shamira, the only succubus to have seduced Nocticula and thus the ruler of Alushinyrra, the capital city of the Midnight Isles, was herself a nascent Demon Lord and the most likely to replace Nocticula.
IIRC, that info came from the Nocticula section of the new Gods & Magic book. That being said, I think he's not a direct replacement, more of a spiritual successor as he definitely has his own idiom.
Will you do the Qlippoths next?
They are also form the Abyss and Yamasoth (a Qlippoth lord) might be the orgin of all demons.
Yep, Qlippoths, Divs & Asuras all going in the next Fiends vid actually. ~6 weeks out right now.
Another great video! I do think it's funny that demons "evolve" like Digimon (I have not seen much Digimon tbf), they look totally different as they get stronger forms. Very fun overview!
All the outsiders kind of do this to a certain extent, even angels.
I'm really a big fan of your content, thanks for all the hard work and hours of entertainment!
My pleasure!
Always glad to see a new video by you.
Thanks as always!
@@TheMythKeeper Also, Tarzan would like to know the location of any Gorilla-kings. 😆
There can be only one King of the Apes!
Good stuff I’m always impressed!
Thanks for the video!
Daemon is derived from the Greek Daimon (Die Mon), it transitioned through Germanic into this spelling by way of the letter Ash (æ) which is pronounced the same as the letter A in Cat. So, Dahmon roughly. Just a protip from a lay linguist ;)
I know the root etymology. Daemon is just the older english spelling of Demon, and in UK English it is pronounced the way the US word Demon is. I'm English originally and pronouncing it any other way feels like I'm intentionally mispronouncing it. (Note Warhammer's demons are all spelled daemons as well for the same reason.)
www.google.com/search?q=how+to+pronounce+daemon
Love your videos! Beginning my first time as a GM in a few weeks and they have been so incredibly helpful. Would it be possible to maybe include what book the stat line or bulk of lore can be found alongside the creature/character? Would be great!
I usually list the main books used to generate the material in the video in the description of the video, with the link to buy it on the Paizo site.
Nice video, as always. While I enjoy the regional and ancestry deep dives, have you ever thought of exploring factions? Or influential individuals like major leaders, main antagonists, or any of the Iconics? If you don't have the time that's cool, just curious to see those takes.
Just to clarify, I know many of these people were covered in the regional videos. Just wondering if you thought any of them were interesting enough to get a more singular spotlight, like the Iconics. Thanks again.
@@jefffarler Factions is definitely something I'm planning on doing. As for looks at specific figures, we'll just have to see ;-)
I think a video on some of the various factions would be awesome. Like the knights of last wall hellkights and the firebrands
Absolutely, working on it
@@TheMythKeeper you are amazing good sir
Wow....a very nice primer ! Now that alignment is removed, do you expect changes to demons or devils ?
Yes, I expect we'll see a subtle shift across the board, but I don't think we'll get canonical shifts in the names, domains and general ethos of the demons. We may also end up with some additional name changes however, to further differentiate the setting from D&D. (I would be surprised if Orcus becomes Necrotus or something for example.)
Great video I'm quite liking these :)
Thank you!
I enjoy listening to lore when I'm gaming.
could you please make a video about the isle of kortos i find it pretty intresting and soon im gonna play a campaign on it?
I'm getting there slowly, but it's one of the big ones so I'm building up my backlog of content before tackling that one so I don't end up missing a week. We're probably a good few months out before my Absalom / Kortos video will come out.
Hav3 you done an Azata video yet? And if you haven't would love to see one!
Just wait for 3 weeks (its up on Mythwatchers Club already in fact).
Also perhaps video on some of the more popular pantheon's like the greenfaith the cosmic caravan and such would be cool
There’s a video on the cosmic caravan already up on the channel 😉
@@TheMythKeeper totally did not realize that I'll have to find it and watch it thank you!
Ah this video gives me Pathfinder Wraith Of Righteous memory 🙂
So it should!
also remember to add the new videos to the long playlist
I'm keeping it updated ;-)
With the dark elves being shelved (at least for the moment) in the revision, I do wonder how this will impact the different demon lords. Also, thanks for answering who stepped into Nocticula's spot. I'd looked for that answer a few times with no good answers.
Socothbenoth gets his chance to step up to the big leagues now
bookmark that car honk at 49:38
Its so damn hard to record these when you live downtown in a big city 😅
49:35 nice honk
I live on a very busy street. Trying to edit out all the car noises has been the biggest nightmare of starting of a RUclips channel
So from this video i assume Owlcat's PF:WOTR game deviates from the lore a bit? In the game, there are no toad demons but in its place there's the Abrikandalu demons which serves the same purpose of demons that defiles beauty and art. There's also 2 demon lords, Nayhindri and Sithudd, who is not mentioned here so i guess they're homebrewed?
Great question! I should have put a disclaimer that this video is by no means totally comprehensive (although I did try my best).
Sithhud is what is called a "Nascent Demon Lord" like Treerazor, and there were simply too many of them to number here.
Nahyndri was a fullblown demon lord, but is dead, killed by Nocticula thousands of years ago (as described in the CRPG as well IIRC).
Both are canon to Pathfinder tabletop and to the CRPG. Abrikandalu's are also in Pathfinder.
In fact there are dozens of demon entries in PF1. ( www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/ - right column) So for a video like this I basically was picking my battles and trying to focus on the main ones I thought would be useful to the greatest number of GMs.
I really thought devils/deamons/demons would be covered every six weeks :D
i thought babau was pronounced as bah-BAY-yoo
Nurgal and Areshkagal were stand ins for Nergel and Ereshkigal, who were listed as demon lords in MM2 but were never expanded on and were acknowledged as deities in later supplements.
A secret about me is that I spoke Italian before I spoke English (long, long ago) so my instinct for pronouncing fantasy words is quite different from most native english-speakers. I almost always favor a short vowel (the 'a' in hat) over a long vowel (the 'a' in hate); so you might be right that the second 'a' is meant to be long, but its not my instinctual pronunciation.
@@TheMythKeeper Dragon magazine did publish a pronunciation guide to all these names. Juiblex is pronounced as JOO-blex but I hear so many said JOO-EE-blex.
Out of all Mestama is most cruel (if you're male that is 😅)
chaos DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO
What is the relationship between mastamaa and baba yaga? Isn't baba yaga considered a god as well?
Baba Yaga isn't a god, she's just a living witch of such power she is comparable to most post-mortal beings. Like many mortals of her power level (like Old Mage Jatembe for example) she tends to view gods as equals rather than beings to be venerated. As such although there might have been a time in her existence where she considered someone like Mastamaa to be a paragon of sorts for hags and witches, she no longer feels a need to have such a patron herself.
@@TheMythKeeperthanks for answering. Kinda surprised Baba Yaga hasn't become a demigod yet. Im sure she'd get plenty of evil worshippers if she wanted to.
I'm acrually shocked with fact Nocticula acrually become a CN goddess.
But who the Hell rule the Midnight Isles now?
Not clear, because Socothbenoth has his own realm already. Maybe a new deity will emerge in time and take over there.
Nock had a nascent demon lord named Shamira serving her, so maybe she stepped up and took over.
@@PungiFungi Also very likely!
Would you consider doing a video on the drow?
I will do a video about the Darklands in the not too distant future and I'll cover drow (or dark elves now with the OGL -> ORC shift) in that video.
@@TheMythKeeper awesome. Very excited for it
Yay! Demons!
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I never noticed but... why does Deskari have nipples? Its kinda gross to see them in his disgusting insectoid body. Perhaps thats the point
Literally never noticed this...
I am pretty sure deskari is completely dead.
Hey! Spoiler alert ;-)
No Graz'zt?
That's Forgotten Realms not Pathfinder unfortunately
Is this just AI reading off of a wiki..?
No, do I sound like an AI?
@@TheMythKeeper Absolutely, yes. Your tone is hyper consistent to the point of it being a little odd, and it sounds like every sentence is a different take. Both being significant tells of AI voice recordings. I like the content but I'm wary of AI wiki readers crowding out the lore space on youtube.
@@ShumaBot Okay, well I promise you I'm 100% a human being. The thing about every sentence sounding slightly different is probably accurate. I record in San Francisco and I don't have a studio. The streets are noisy as hell so I'm forced to stop recording and start recording constantly. Its an enormous hassle. Sometimes this means I'm clipping together different parts of sentences together to cut out the sound of a screeching car. As for the consistency of tone, that's just what I sound like I guess!
Lots of dark elves worship Abraxis? It's because they're snake people! Snake people I tells 'ya! SNAKE PEOPLE!!! (I am immediately abducted by two men in suits and stuffed into a black van.)
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I am very glad I do not live in any of those realms
Me too!
I hate how pathfinder copied the dnd. Bro, just call them fiends, spawn or something. Annoying.
It was built into the OGL. Pathfinder didn't set out to build its own RPG, it originally wanted to do a setting for D&D. Then over time it built its own identity. OGL had so much stuff built in. I think now that Pathfinder has its own following there are a lot of things the team probably wishes they had done slightly differently. I'm guessing we'll get some pretty chunky lore changes with REMASTER as we move away from OGL.
I'm guessing he doesn't know what happened? 3.5 D&D my man.
I forget how long it's been. People don't even know what happened or why there's even a Pathfinder. That's what must be annoying to you.
Freedom to speak your mind without an inkling of what you are saying.
Just because we have freedom of speech doesn't mean you should.
WoTC needs to burn down. Be on the right side.
The timing on your last two couldn't have been more serendipitous. I just finished wrath of the righteous. These videos are great. Thank you sir 🙏