I don't think they are coerced. A political analyst said that on the grassroots, those schools and welfare homes are much appreciated which is why they win in the elections. Anyway good to hear you speak in Bahasa. Hehehe.
That’s a believable interpretation! I do trust that there’s a mixture of truth and fiction in most cases though, and I think what ISEAS publishes tends to be reliable + having seen their party in action and witnessed their public actions, I think the research is reliable. Haha thanks Adrian! I don’t always do so, but it’s good to do that once in a while - I am actually decently fluent, but somehow, a lot of people just assume it’s Google translate - racism, mostly 😅 I might make a video on this soon!
@@VictorTan i feel like these kind of videos in English are like preaching to the choir. But i suspect even if you did speak Malay you might be dismissed just because you are chinese. Anyway, God bless your effort! :)
we were once told by our psychology lecturer on child development in the USA. Many of us might NEVER reach "Formal Stage of Human Development". That is obviously true here. it is very dangerous, isn't it. Killing is not condoned anywhere in the world. Most of the Western world do not accept Capital punishment even. How can secularism be worse than Fitnah? Analogy: The State and Religion is one with the Caterpillar. The body. But they are different parts of the body. In secularism there is also morality as one of the practices in the way of life too, almost in all parts of the world, even some war soldiers have morality not to kill or harm civilians. Fitnah is demafation. Slandering and defamation is immoral. Everybody can agree. It has a grain of jealousy in slandering. How is it killing equates and less severe than defamation and slander. That is something I cannot fathom? How then can I even embrace Islam?
i dont know if you can called it coercion. the last general election, my voting card was marked with a very tiny cross at the corner of the square. normally one would not pay attention. I marked my vote and the checked my square and showed it to the persons in charge my vote was been compromised. I am almost 70 years old. I can hardly noticed the small tiny cross. they changed a new voting paper for me. I heard PAS won in my area.
So the voting thing... to be fair, whilst I don't understand many of the votes for PAS up north (including family members) there is no denying tons of people do vote for them and in fair mind. I've been heard tons of stories as to why including... because my parent votes for them, because they will stand up for us Muslims (🙀) but maybe a little less known by those that don't vote for them that they apparently do things on a very local level in the kampungs that people appreciate.
I believe what you are saying! Yes, I’ve heard some of these as well - well, the line between ‘coercion’, ‘indoctrination’, and ‘free choice’ is a rather fine one, right? I work, for example, with lots of students whose parents have very high expectations for them. Often, what I hear is that they want to succeed and their parents say that they always wanted to do so because it was their own will. If you dig a little bit deeper, though, it's almost inevitable that you'll find that there was some element, at least, of pushing and the cultivation of desire in ways that the child can't actually overturn. When a child is in that environment and their parents steadily encourage them in a particular way, can you then call that coercion? What if parents come up to you and say that this election, say, is a matter of life and death and otherwise? Is that coercion, then? You could say yes or you could say no, but you cannot rule it out. If I were to moderate my language, maybe I would say that there's a very strong element of persuasion that is not based on a rational evaluation of evidence in the states, and that is based on self-justification and in turn significantly influenced by figures of authority in a fashion that has been observed to create a feudalistic loyalty - one that has not only been observed by me, but also by Mahathir. Where do we draw the line as to whether it is coercion or not? It differs for everyone although I would conclude that it is already appropriate to call it that - and that difficulty, I suppose, is why it is often hard for cults and their teachings to be known as something to come down hard until only after the fact of crimes or otherwise. It is also simultaneously true that people may vote on the basis of their feelings and those feelings may not have come about as a consequence of coercion writ large, although it may be connected through a channel that is slightly more sophisticated than that and that merits understanding, especially if we look at it on the level not just of individual behavior but also large scale behavior. If, truly, people do feel that the politician lying and unhelpful as they are is your friend in a parasocial identification or real world relationship, it's totally believable that they would consider them as the panacea to the problems that they may face even as their actions in public and policy actions (which are what matter in the context of being a politician) and private actions deviate. It does also make sense that PAS manages to capture people if the people in question have a strategy for engaging the public in certain ways that, say, our somewhat detached-seeming Madani government does not at the present moment. It is, however, an unquestionable fact that a big part of this is all filtered through the lens of media and through a whole cycle of different things along the way. Having said that, given the research, the public information, and the combination of statements that I've seen along the way, as well as what I have seen from supporters, what we can say is that I cannot conclude that there is no element of coercion in what is happening with PAS and their winning elections, and I can see a deliberate and systematic attempt to distort facts in the midst of sometimes valid critiques and that is likely to condemn Malaysia’s future in the event that action isn’t taken.
PAS: "We have to indoctrinated the youth generation that way they can be as obedience and not "Pusing Sana-Sini or Merata Alam" that which ruined the party landscape" Critical thinking people: "These people man… "
if this white songkok guy had studied physical anthropology in the USA, he would know that the common ancestor of all South East Asians should have the same eyes, same skin and same bloodline as all the Malays on the Malay archipelago. I am really embarassed he is related to ME. My ancestors comes from China and Taiwan. My ancient grandmother's family used to refer to us(ethic Chinese) here as "huan-na", me here in Malaysia. I corrected her that I am not a "huan-na". She said I did not know. What do I need to know? That the white songkok guy is abandoning me by skin, eyes and bloodline? think!
not only empty tin... but also RUBBISH tin..!
Not to mention wasting the rakyats money... none of these people go without pay from.... us :(
I don't think they are coerced. A political analyst said that on the grassroots, those schools and welfare homes are much appreciated which is why they win in the elections.
Anyway good to hear you speak in Bahasa. Hehehe.
That’s a believable interpretation!
I do trust that there’s a mixture of truth and fiction in most cases though, and I think what ISEAS publishes tends to be reliable + having seen their party in action and witnessed their public actions, I think the research is reliable.
Haha thanks Adrian! I don’t always do so, but it’s good to do that once in a while - I am actually decently fluent, but somehow, a lot of people just assume it’s Google translate - racism, mostly 😅
I might make a video on this soon!
@@VictorTan i feel like these kind of videos in English are like preaching to the choir. But i suspect even if you did speak Malay you might be dismissed just because you are chinese. Anyway, God bless your effort! :)
we were once told by our psychology lecturer on child development in the USA. Many of us might NEVER reach "Formal Stage of Human Development". That is obviously true here. it is very dangerous, isn't it. Killing is not condoned anywhere in the world. Most of the Western world do not accept Capital punishment even. How can secularism be worse than Fitnah? Analogy: The State and Religion is one with the Caterpillar. The body. But they are different parts of the body. In secularism there is also morality as one of the practices in the way of life too, almost in all parts of the world, even some war soldiers have morality not to kill or harm civilians. Fitnah is demafation. Slandering and defamation is immoral. Everybody can agree. It has a grain of jealousy in slandering. How is it killing equates and less severe than defamation and slander. That is something I cannot fathom? How then can I even embrace Islam?
i dont know if you can called it coercion. the last general election, my voting card was marked with a very tiny cross at the corner of the square. normally one would not pay attention. I marked my vote and the checked my square and showed it to the persons in charge my vote was been compromised. I am almost 70 years old. I can hardly noticed the small tiny cross. they changed a new voting paper for me. I heard PAS won in my area.
There are PACAs at every voting centre, every aliran. Every vote gets checked by every PACA, so it's quite unlikely..
@@joies3417 yes, it should be so, very unlikely. But the small cross was there. I show it to them. I am a religious person. I don't tell a lie.
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So the voting thing... to be fair, whilst I don't understand many of the votes for PAS up north (including family members) there is no denying tons of people do vote for them and in fair mind.
I've been heard tons of stories as to why including... because my parent votes for them, because they will stand up for us Muslims (🙀) but maybe a little less known by those that don't vote for them that they apparently do things on a very local level in the kampungs that people appreciate.
I believe what you are saying! Yes, I’ve heard some of these as well - well, the line between ‘coercion’, ‘indoctrination’, and ‘free choice’ is a rather fine one, right?
I work, for example, with lots of students whose parents have very high expectations for them. Often, what I hear is that they want to succeed and their parents say that they always wanted to do so because it was their own will.
If you dig a little bit deeper, though, it's almost inevitable that you'll find that there was some element, at least, of pushing and the cultivation of desire in ways that the child can't actually overturn.
When a child is in that environment and their parents steadily encourage them in a particular way, can you then call that coercion?
What if parents come up to you and say that this election, say, is a matter of life and death and otherwise?
Is that coercion, then? You could say yes or you could say no, but you cannot rule it out.
If I were to moderate my language, maybe I would say that there's a very strong element of persuasion that is not based on a rational evaluation of evidence in the states, and that is based on self-justification and in turn significantly influenced by figures of authority in a fashion that has been observed to create a feudalistic loyalty - one that has not only been observed by me, but also by Mahathir. Where do we draw the line as to whether it is coercion or not? It differs for everyone although I would conclude that it is already appropriate to call it that - and that difficulty, I suppose, is why it is often hard for cults and their teachings to be known as something to come down hard until only after the fact of crimes or otherwise.
It is also simultaneously true that people may vote on the basis of their feelings and those feelings may not have come about as a consequence of coercion writ large, although it may be connected through a channel that is slightly more sophisticated than that and that merits understanding, especially if we look at it on the level not just of individual behavior but also large scale behavior.
If, truly, people do feel that the politician lying and unhelpful as they are is your friend in a parasocial identification or real world relationship, it's totally believable that they would consider them as the panacea to the problems that they may face even as their actions in public and policy actions (which are what matter in the context of being a politician) and private actions deviate.
It does also make sense that PAS manages to capture people if the people in question have a strategy for engaging the public in certain ways that, say, our somewhat detached-seeming Madani government does not at the present moment.
It is, however, an unquestionable fact that a big part of this is all filtered through the lens of media and through a whole cycle of different things along the way.
Having said that, given the research, the public information, and the combination of statements that I've seen along the way, as well as what I have seen from supporters, what we can say is that I cannot conclude that there is no element of coercion in what is happening with PAS and their winning elections, and I can see a deliberate and systematic attempt to distort facts in the midst of sometimes valid critiques and that is likely to condemn Malaysia’s future in the event that action isn’t taken.
PAS: "We have to indoctrinated the youth generation that way they can be as obedience and not "Pusing Sana-Sini or Merata Alam" that which ruined the party landscape"
Critical thinking people: "These people man… "
and yes.... they are in a LOT of schools and mosques
i love the word 'lie'. Hahaha
Allah cannot enter into Muslims, how to get muslim food halal ?
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if this white songkok guy had studied physical anthropology in the USA, he would know that the common ancestor of all South East Asians should have the same eyes, same skin and same bloodline as all the Malays on the Malay archipelago. I am really embarassed he is related to ME. My ancestors comes from China and Taiwan. My ancient grandmother's family used to refer to us(ethic Chinese) here as "huan-na", me here in Malaysia. I corrected her that I am not a "huan-na". She said I did not know. What do I need to know? That the white songkok guy is abandoning me by skin, eyes and bloodline? think!
Msia boleh
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