What to do when the blind led by the blind? They are not even our malay but all sort of dark skinned austronesian group up as one race for political race card. Halal ?
Spot on Victor.The situation is totally ridiculous. No one should be held ransome for jokes , especially we can see clearly that there is no intention to insult islam.He is just mocking people whose faith is weak!
@@asherang5403 Absolutely! Even if their faith was strong, I doubt that they would be able to even talk about it in a meaningful way - and if anything, this is just the Emperor being revealed to not be wearing any clothes except every single one of them is a little Emperor in his own mind, thinking that the world needs to submit to his will, but not knowing his place or even that faith 😭
@@agnescheah0785 When we do it too you will cry You should be humble and grateful that we accepted you. Minorities in Myanmar (for example) and other countries aren't so fortunate.
a chindian and insyaAllah a muslim, i say... 'politically correct' is an oxymoron.. kan (choose intonation) More interdependency and less fault finding.. and if you dont mind, pls mind your mind..'KAN' (choose intonation).. Wishing you happy new year Good health and a smooth year ahead
Islam is not joke..some muslim portrayed bad example but Islam will alwys win and prevail against any other religion in the world any ism any man made religions .
look up muslim reform movements and their motivations. there are also predictions made by social and political scientist on what the future lies. Watch also what ex-muslims are doing. the satire is not in anywhere close to worth ventilating frustration.
@ Islam always win? Do you sense the media is manipulating it? The media wanted more of this, "defender of Islam" to come out. It only drive more stress for muslims and fear among non-muslims. At the end, the religion get the bad name. Fanning fake news also would tarnish, the reputation of not having anything truthful. The media seemingly innocently reports it, but the harm is there. Heard of any good news on the religion so far? Reacting to non-sense is walking into a trap for long term damage.
Now how much of what you say, Danial, would be because of the religion itself and how much would be because of human made institutions artificially created to go against the idea that there is no compulsion in religion and because people who enter into the faith are condemned to remain there forever and never leave? 😅
@@VictorTan Islam is under threat from within. The rest of us just got caught in the whirl wind. Ex-muslims the obvious case, causing alot of issues worldwide (these are not atheist, they are worse). But those who wanted to leave but could not, ultimately either not practicing it sliently or quietly causing damage, rift and conflict with other religions/government to crack the religion from outside. Harith's satire is on muslims who are easily confused about their own practices and not about the religion. It is precisely the reflection of those silently not practicing true Islam are doing, buat dunno, buat keliru. Religious authorities should make effort to stop muslims from damaging their religion and the relationship with other communities and also stop politcal exploit. Showing the claw and tooth ultimately will brand the religion as bad, exactly what those who wanted to leave the religion wanted the religion to be seen, as bad. If the religious authorities does not step it to stop it, would only leave the religion with disrepute. Those who wanted to leave but could not will try to induce conflict of Islam and other communities, to the point they hope the religion ceased, banned and they can be free. This is something the religious authorities should think seriously about. What is worth of having conflict with other communities with it is detrimental to the religion itself? Islamophobia exist as a term today.
Thanks for sharing, Victor. I really enjoyed listening to your very intelligent commentary. But please be cautious of discussing sensitive topics. Some people may want to go for your throat.
it was satire, to poke fun at malaysian muslims that always get triggered at any word “Ham” They take themselves too seriously, can’t even laugh at themselves. Harith is under fire for being too secular 😂
With due respect, as a non-muslim content creator such as yourself (craving for hot topic), you can save your opinion to yourself when it comes religious sensitivity in a muslim context. This is not Harith 1st time btw. And it's not funny. So be wise not to get involved so u don't end in a hot soup like cecilia yap, as well. Let the authority handle this.
@@zulibrhm9772 Your opinion is noted, but it also wasn’t requested. Understand that your place is to offer opinions, but you will not be influencing my behavior and the expectation is that such conversations will take place on a wider scale beyond me, and you will be able to do nothing about it.
Harith doesn't need to apologies. But I can understand why he fears for his family. The reality is some of these crazies are more than capable of causing harm for a lot less than the issue at hand. Take a certain national football player as an example. It's reflective of the current state of the country really. Too many of a certain group get away with too much and too many of innocent people sit back and can really do nothing much about it.
I am a Chinese male and I live in a condominium where many Malay lives. The swimming pool is filled with Malay families, and the male adults always wear top and long pants. In today’s society, I often feel unsafe to be topless with only swimming trunks, not knowing when they will feel offended and make threats.
I believe you have read my comment on my "factual statement" approach on this issue? Basically the idea is that I don't want to give a full apology, but I want to defend myself politely. Do you think it will work? Do you think it is too timid for someone like you who advocates directly speaking up against hate?
I think that it could work, but you would still have people who are extremely loud and for whom it would not work. And with that in mind, a factual post on balance, I think, is more likely to be neutral for those who already see that this isn’t something to rage on but for those who are angered already it is likely to just add on another point and for people to comment on (and can therefore serve as a place for the heightening of aggressions depending on what happens), but it could also be good as something to continue the conversation, so long as it can be managed over time, and serve as a tool to neutralize the ones who are angered over time through continued interaction, though clearly not everyone has the time for comments. Having said that, it only takes just one person to complain, or perhaps two people to the point that you start thinking that maybe it's crowd or herd mentality. In a sense, I think that it's not really possible to eliminate negative responses or reactions entirely, although I do think that it is both possible and manageable to type things over. In a sense, what I do think is that if Harith manages to type over and go through this, then by the end of the whole situation, Malaysia will have learned something that is meaningful when it comes to dealing with matters like this, which are sensitive and will have gotten a little closer towards living and letting others live as well. But I think that this time is crucial, and what happens with Harith is going to affect how we see ourselves and in turn how we define our approach towards other situations like this in the future and so I hope that it's going to be a mature response on the part of the Malaysian public, and that we can move towards having at least a critical mass of people who can come up with the willpower at least to recognize that a joke is a joke, even if you don't like it personally, and if you don't like it, you should ignore it. Hopefully some kind of immunity then is built up in Malaysia along the way 🙏
No! He shouldn’t apologize. Malay community and Chinese should learn to live and to let live. More than 20 years ago I used to be hypersensitive due to cultural conditioning but I have given up on Chinese Confucian Shame culture and perfection.
Awak bertanggung jawab terhadap bagaimana awak berasa. Orang lain tak bangun pagi dengan niat nak buat awak rasa ini dan itu. Jadi awak bertanggung jawab menjadi lebih matang dan belajar mengawal emosi. Bukan tanggung jawab orang lain nak pastikan orang berhati tisu ni tak tersinggung sebab depa ni boleh tersinggung dengan apa sahaja. Dah duduk semeja nak makan tapi tak ajak dia jom makan pun dia boleh kecil hati. Paling best, kuasa ditanggang kamu. Kamu sentiasa ada pilihan untuk tidak menonton video atau orang yang anda rasa tidak menghormati kamu atau pandangan dan pendapat kamu. Ramai akan tersinggung, marah dan rasa dihina jika saya kata jenis bodoh kalau salahkan seterika sebab ia panas berulang kali. Masalahnya disini bukan seterika panas. Isunya yang asik melecur tersentuh seterika yang tengah panas. Fakta adalah 1. seterika boleh panas melecur 2. Ada yang bodoh walaupun dah berkali kali melecur tetapi masih tak sedar. Apa yang bukan fakta adalah kenyataan seterika dan orang bodoh itu dibuat dengan niat nak menghina kau. Kau tak boleh terima kenyataan yang kemungkinan kau ni salah seorang yang bodoh.
@@theallseeingeye9388 analogi yg anda pakai silap ini.. anda tidak fhm isu nya disini..bukan isu hati tisu atau tanggungjwb perasaan.. myb anda tidak biasa dgn law of thought..isu disini adalah lawak berkenaan agama .bukan buat lawak shaja..lebih2 agama islam..seperti yg anda tahu Agama islam dgn tegas dan scara undang2 melarang apa2 joke ttg agama..sya minta anda tidak sama kn hal in dgn agama lain .sperti christian dan yahudi skrg..merka boleh perpakaian seperti jesus moses dijalanan boleh buat cartoon .buat joke.. Ini adalah prinsip agama Cuba anda bygkan satu agama yg brtukar2 prinsip mengikut zaman..adakah ini agama yg benar ? Bg sja mana2 agama yg boleh dipersenda adalah tidak lyk dijdkan agma..Tuhan tidak boleh dipersenda bg org2 yg beragama..agama yg benar tidak boleh diubah2 mengikut khendak manusia . Jika boleh baik lah sembh manusia.. But sya pasti anda tidak fhm..dan myb tidak akan fhm kerana berdasarkan statemnt anda sya berasa anda tidak tahu konsep agama dan Tuhan.. Jika tak tahu belajar.. jgn sesuka hati beri pendapat sendiri tanpa asas..lain lah jika anda sesorg yg pkar dlm bidang.. jika anda berckp kosong seperti ini.. mungkin anda rasa anda pandai tp org nmpk anda tiada ilmu untuk berckp hal ini Oleh
What harith did had encourage non-muslim to insult Islam.. some must be thinking, if a muslim would insult their own religion, non-muslim also can maahh... that's where cecilia yap came in..
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He should apologize because the joke is such a bad taste. It is soooo dry and bull load of crap. He should learn from Ricky Gervais or Dave Chappele. very vulgar, can make jokes on any religion or even ethnicity, but they got class! Harith have no class at all.
Islam is not like other religion.. where any part of the religion can be nock can be joke about.. islam is a very serious religion and cannot be change.the strictness of the religion make it the fastest growing religion in the world..just so you all know..we never allowed any kind of jokes to be throw around..like other religion which have nothing to feel about it. If any religion can be comical myb that religion is fake or just man made..
Sure it’s the fastest growing and I won’t mock it either, but is it because of ‘strictness’ or is it because anyone who marries a Muslim would have a Muslim child in Malaysia and it is impossible to leave the religion even if you want to? Let’s not spread false information to spread an agenda. Keep your focus on the simple fact that people aren’t allowed to mock your religion. Done. Finished. No further discussion or fake information.
@@VictorTan sorry sir i mean conversion of faith.. no because marriage or whut not..every muslim country may differ in its laws and rule.. plus im talking in the world contact as we can see so many people in Europe start to revert to Islam as nowadays tech and scie have truly aid the truth in potraying islam as the tech and science debunked other religion just like that but Islam stand thru all of that ..even A.I help to prove Islam is the true and only religion.. i am sorry but ehich claim that i made is false can you point out
@@VictorTan and yes sir ..islam cannot be mock...no like christian jews.. portraying jesus moses as cartoons and jokes . To me any religion that can easily be mocked and people support them(thier own people) that religion is fake and have zero value..islam will always prevail then ,now and forever.. do what you say what you have too but in the end Islam will triumph against all
@@SEAN_BOSS agreed..all of them except Islam..proven for 1400 years even now..this is not a claim.. its the fact go do you research..no persuasion here..if you really seek truth..use everything for historical facts and tech science modern tools ..do a non bias research for yourself..be open minded on open for the truth..every book of 'God' have been debunked.. only islam with the quran stand out forever .. the only religion which challenge other to bring forth their evidence and not just that in the quran even go futher as it said to also bring your helper to help you disapprove the quran..the challenge have gone thru for more than 1900 years now ..feel free to except this challenge .
Even though same spelling "ham", but both are spoken in different intonation. Different intonation means different meaning, in Chinese language, which people who don't know Chinese language don't understand. Ham sat has nothing to do with ham. Ham sat means gatal. Ham sat kopi means kopi gatal. Maybe ham sat kopi refers to coffee with tongkat ali. So it has nothing do with ham nor insulting Islam.
He shouldn’t have to, but if he does I wouldn’t be surprised - it’s unlikely that he will actually be sincere even if he meets JAKIM or anyone else though, but I hope he makes the better choice (perversely enough) as a bastion of sanity in Malaysia.
@@looleongchai It's true what you've said. Comedy is, in fact, a form of art. But, as with any type of art, though, there are archetypes of excellence and continuums over which each archetype may vary (say, closeness to human form as an ideal, with more close being better and less close being worse, but not to the exclusion of other archetypes of beauty or to the necessary inclusion of a particular archetype - it would not do to say that a photorealistic painting of a bowl of fruit is bad because it contains no semblance to a human) that make some art better than others, and there are some boundaries that do exist, at least in what we can call an Overton window of what is acceptable in the artistic world even as we appreciate that communities are formed from multiple individuals with their own preferences, standards of acceptability, and behavioral inclinations even as we accept the limitations both of language and human cognition in appreciating what is communicated in an evolving world. Some would say that the universe of art has unlimited boundaries, and that everything that is sacred can and should be considered profane, used as material for the laugh or the criticism. Spiritually speaking, I am inclined to identify with that. But, in practice, I am sure that there are many thousands of things out there which would offend me, and about which I would object if it were presented to me. The question is almost never “should there be boundaries” if we think about it long enough, because it is uncontroversial that there are boundaries to speech and also uncontroversial that we accept at least some of these, though it is popular to imagine that there should be none. For example, you would not want someone to mock the death of your parents and call it humour, or participate in what we call bullying of other races, simply because it is said that certain things are a joke, partly because that circumscribes the rights of others. In a similar way, we cannot expect every single person to laugh at every single thing and living in a society is uncontroversially a situation where we circumscribe some freedom of speech at least partially. At least in some ways, it is true that not every complaint should be entertained, but some definitely should be. And the question is, which one? With what response, and in what way, so that all members of a pluralistic society can agree upon its fairness, and the element of bias on the part of the legal system can meaningfully be minimised in lockstep, with the way that its perception of bias can be minimised, satirist paribus, while educating the society sufficiently that the part of prejudice on the part of the public too can be minimised, and any deviations from the law can be minimised? Not really an easy set of questions to answer, but crucial to explore at least!
Should ask the Muslim "yang terpaling" when they perform the haj or umrah in the holy land to visit the convenience stores there and see for themselves HAM being sold openly that are halal ( read non pork) and nobody makes a hue and cry over it. This again show the level of intelligence and understanding of world issues at hand. I could try and see if i can get a picture of it and post it online for all to see but again since this is bolehlah i might be hauled up by the authorities . Scary ya.
Thing is, their statements are inconsistent and it is unsurprising that that’s the case. You can see people mention that ‘ham’ is illegal to be sold as halal or perhaps with JAKIM halal certification across multiple instances but then it is clear to me that there are multiple kinds of halal posing items out there, which may actually be halal, but just haven't separately applied for certifications that JAKIM would have them apply for as a grounds for charging a separate fee for another certification which, by the way, is mainly paid by non Muslims (70% of all halal certs are held by non Muslims) for the purpose of marketing and that the others like to cry about and say oops, we are M we don’t need these certificates. In all fairness, I'm not surprised that Harith would have a confusion about the matter even as a practicing Muslim (assuming that there was a confusion), because the sheer list of requirements and updates that happen on the daily are difficult to follow, and require intentioned effort for a person to actually know the current state at any given point. A reasonable person is very unlikely to have the knowledge that would be required of them to make intentioned judgements of matters like these, and expecting every single person or even the average person to clearly know what the issues are and brooking no compromise is unrealistic. The broader point that I'm trying to make through what I'm saying though, and which I think that you realize, is that our society needs to get better at tolerating stupid people, because stupidity is not the exception, but rather it is the norm. If our society were to continue going out and becoming aggravated at every single instance of low IQ behavior, that would clearly be a problem. Of course, if we didn't go out and speak about clear instances where somebody had not done their research, or at least had a minimum level of awareness, then that would be a problem as well - but there is a fine line there, because the level you need to be at just to be aligned with the truth is wild. What you mentioned is an interesting example of that. It's interesting to know that there is halal ham on hajj. But that just shows the difference in jurisprudential interpretation and manifested law across jurisdictions where the Malaysian authorities, it seems, chose to ensure that that which is halal cannot be connected with ham - a quirk of the Malaysian system - which evidently is not present in Saudi Arabia as a jurisdiction, either if there is no comparable halal certification or that such a certification even if it exists and applies to the products you saw, does not entail non-usage of the terms ‘ham’ or ‘bacon’ etc - that illustrates the difficulty of interpretation in the first place. When it comes to situations where there are arcane or human-made rules brought about from interpretations of source material put into place whereby such interpretations require a person to have maximum awareness and perspicacity in checking for things, I think it is good to recognize human failing and also human flaws, and as such to have a little bit of empathy or compassion, rather than to allow emotion and everything it brings to just take over the moment and to define the narrative. People often feel like they have the right to grouse and society tends to simply allow such displays of emotion, or does not punish them, proclaiming that they are closer to appropriate than anything that vaguely offends some people of the right leanings. It is a condition of clear hypocrisy, and if it is not known domestically just yet, then it should be. And if it were not known internationally before, then we should make it - People who attempt to take matters into their own hands should be uniformly and universally punished.
@VictorTan well said. Funny how the Malays here are quick to brand other Muslims around the world as not practicing Islam as it should be when we see here that bribery is regarded as "sedekah" while paying fines is considered " derma jihad". Rainfall over in Saudi is far and in between so whenever it rains for just 30 minutes or so the drainage would be overwhelmed thus flooding the roads. We here are of the opinion that a desert country when flooded would signify " akhir ZAMAN" thus accusing them of not following the true principles is Islam. How I know all these is because my daughter is working there and sometimes the Arabs themselves shake their head at our ignorance. I think we have to most number of " terpaling Islam" citizens judging by the online comments and the eagerness to jump on any issue pertaining to the " sensitivity" of their religion . You take care and a super duper GONG XI FA CAI!
@@jasonlow8715 Wow thanks for sharing - yes I wouldn’t be surprised - it remains for Malaysia to start realizing how ridiculous we are as a society I guess 🤭 Gong Xi Fa Cai to you as well Jason!
@@jasonlow8715 complex issues. different people practice it differently. Islam here n there is pockets of differences. most considered minor. cumulatively very diverse. some ok with the term, some gunk down haram food like of no consequences. some dun even bother to fast in holy month. bigger spectrum of thing is some calling for islamic reformation. yet some wanted it strictly conservative. who is on which side, hardly can tell. observe, most of the time this is where the fire sparks from.
I am neutral Malay Muslims not too liberal and not too conservative.. I think Harith Iskander did nothing wrong.. He just make a funny content took from someone who is an attention seeker.. Supposed that man an attention seeker should be punish first not Harith..
Yea he’s not a great comedian - I tried to watch him before and he actually did a show upon the launch of a property development in which I made a purchase, and that show was one of the most painful experiences I had in my life 😭
Why ppl can be so sensitive when it comes for islam. But if other religion are offended no action is taken. This entitled ppl are so full of bullshit n hypocrite. I hope harith just migrate to better open minded country for better future. Malaysia is doomed with religion bigotry n fanatics.
Oh is it Cina or are you just a racist? This is not a space for you to vent your racist nonsense, although I’m happy to showcase that you are a racist to the world through content, and as we grow, to advocate that people like you can only ever say what you’re saying anonymously or with consequences. 😊
@@siewjqie9484 Maybe cause it does happen once in a while, but these people think on a very primitive level and like to assume that all people who are non Malay care about race and religion 25/7 when frankly it would be so much better in this country if we didn’t care about this and anyone who starts a conversation about that is either socially ostracized or silenced (IMO) because neither of those things is really relevant in the grand scheme of things because who you are is not determined by who you were born as (unless you are Muslim and you stay in Malaysia - that is a fact that cannot be changed whether people like it or not), but then our current reality doesn’t look like that and whoops, we actually and unfortunately have to have conversations about this c’est la vie. 😭
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Do not apologize… full stop.
Of course he shouldn't apologize..nor cow to these online cowards..stay strong, Haith
Ehh brader you dont simply say cow cow abahcow and all ahhh........ I rasa macam dihina.
I warning u ahhh...... 😂
I'm convinced that Malaysian Neitizien has a critical thinking level of a toddler
😭😭😭😭😭 Let’s hope it improves! If this video helped, I’m glad - consider sharing it if you feel it did, and thank you for watching!
Yup, the launsa kinds of comments I see are the funniest😂😂
What to do when the blind led by the blind? They are not even our malay but all sort of dark skinned austronesian group up as one race for political race card. Halal ?
I'm convinced CHinese can't survive in China, ran to Malaysia but can't assimilate. LOL!
This!
Spot on Victor.The situation is totally ridiculous. No one should be held ransome for jokes , especially we can see clearly that there is no intention to insult islam.He is just mocking people whose faith is weak!
@@asherang5403
Absolutely!
Even if their faith was strong, I doubt that they would be able to even talk about it in a meaningful way - and if anything, this is just the Emperor being revealed to not be wearing any clothes except every single one of them is a little Emperor in his own mind, thinking that the world needs to submit to his will, but not knowing his place or even that faith 😭
Religion off the limit, don't push the line.
Too.... Fragile the heart, haiya 😂😂😂@@PrimarisAngelusMortis
@@agnescheah0785
When we do it too you will cry
You should be humble and grateful that we accepted you.
Minorities in Myanmar (for example) and other countries aren't so fortunate.
@PrimarisAngelusMortis Racist la you. Perangai nya ni tentu dari Pas 🤭🤭🤭
a chindian and insyaAllah a muslim, i say... 'politically correct' is an oxymoron.. kan (choose intonation)
More interdependency and less fault finding.. and if you dont mind, pls mind your mind..'KAN' (choose intonation)..
Wishing you
happy new year
Good health and a smooth year ahead
he shd not appologize. cos it was an obvious joke. a satire. just some ham sap cannot take it, cos they felt it. naturally confused.
Islam is not joke..some muslim portrayed bad example but Islam will alwys win and prevail against any other religion in the world any ism any man made religions .
look up muslim reform movements and their motivations. there are also predictions made by social and political scientist on what the future lies. Watch also what ex-muslims are doing. the satire is not in anywhere close to worth ventilating frustration.
@ Islam always win? Do you sense the media is manipulating it? The media wanted more of this, "defender of Islam" to come out. It only drive more stress for muslims and fear among non-muslims. At the end, the religion get the bad name. Fanning fake news also would tarnish, the reputation of not having anything truthful. The media seemingly innocently reports it, but the harm is there. Heard of any good news on the religion so far? Reacting to non-sense is walking into a trap for long term damage.
Now how much of what you say, Danial, would be because of the religion itself and how much would be because of human made institutions artificially created to go against the idea that there is no compulsion in religion and because people who enter into the faith are condemned to remain there forever and never leave? 😅
@@VictorTan Islam is under threat from within. The rest of us just got caught in the whirl wind. Ex-muslims the obvious case, causing alot of issues worldwide (these are not atheist, they are worse). But those who wanted to leave but could not, ultimately either not practicing it sliently or quietly causing damage, rift and conflict with other religions/government to crack the religion from outside. Harith's satire is on muslims who are easily confused about their own practices and not about the religion. It is precisely the reflection of those silently not practicing true Islam are doing, buat dunno, buat keliru.
Religious authorities should make effort to stop muslims from damaging their religion and the relationship with other communities and also stop politcal exploit. Showing the claw and tooth ultimately will brand the religion as bad, exactly what those who wanted to leave the religion wanted the religion to be seen, as bad. If the religious authorities does not step it to stop it, would only leave the religion with disrepute. Those who wanted to leave but could not will try to induce conflict of Islam and other communities, to the point they hope the religion ceased, banned and they can be free. This is something the religious authorities should think seriously about. What is worth of having conflict with other communities with it is detrimental to the religion itself? Islamophobia exist as a term today.
Thanks for sharing, Victor. I really enjoyed listening to your very intelligent commentary. But please be cautious of discussing sensitive topics. Some people may want to go for your throat.
it was satire, to poke fun at malaysian muslims that always get triggered at any word “Ham”
They take themselves too seriously, can’t even laugh at themselves.
Harith is under fire for being too secular 😂
PAS needs to apologise.
With due respect, as a non-muslim content creator such as yourself (craving for hot topic), you can save your opinion to yourself when it comes religious sensitivity in a muslim context. This is not Harith 1st time btw. And it's not funny. So be wise not to get involved so u don't end in a hot soup like cecilia yap, as well. Let the authority handle this.
@@zulibrhm9772 Your opinion is noted, but it also wasn’t requested. Understand that your place is to offer opinions, but you will not be influencing my behavior and the expectation is that such conversations will take place on a wider scale beyond me, and you will be able to do nothing about it.
Well, that's your opinion, right. Opinion.... it should be the higher level of capability to digest the reality for what it is.... 🙏
Harith doesn't need to apologies. But I can understand why he fears for his family. The reality is some of these crazies are more than capable of causing harm for a lot less than the issue at hand. Take a certain national football player as an example. It's reflective of the current state of the country really. Too many of a certain group get away with too much and too many of innocent people sit back and can really do nothing much about it.
I am a Chinese male and I live in a condominium where many Malay lives. The swimming pool is filled with Malay families, and the male adults always wear top and long pants. In today’s society, I often feel unsafe to be topless with only swimming trunks, not knowing when they will feel offended and make threats.
You are experiencing Islamophobia.
@@pym75 It's almost as if there is a reason this phenomenon exist, while there's no such thing as christianphobia, hinduphobia or buddhistphobia
I believe you have read my comment on my "factual statement" approach on this issue? Basically the idea is that I don't want to give a full apology, but I want to defend myself politely. Do you think it will work? Do you think it is too timid for someone like you who advocates directly speaking up against hate?
I think that it could work, but you would still have people who are extremely loud and for whom it would not work.
And with that in mind, a factual post on balance, I think, is more likely to be neutral for those who already see that this isn’t something to rage on but for those who are angered already it is likely to just add on another point and for people to comment on (and can therefore serve as a place for the heightening of aggressions depending on what happens), but it could also be good as something to continue the conversation, so long as it can be managed over time, and serve as a tool to neutralize the ones who are angered over time through continued interaction, though clearly not everyone has the time for comments.
Having said that, it only takes just one person to complain, or perhaps two people to the point that you start thinking that maybe it's crowd or herd mentality.
In a sense, I think that it's not really possible to eliminate negative responses or reactions entirely, although I do think that it is both possible and manageable to type things over.
In a sense, what I do think is that if Harith manages to type over and go through this, then by the end of the whole situation, Malaysia will have learned something that is meaningful when it comes to dealing with matters like this, which are sensitive and will have gotten a little closer towards living and letting others live as well. But I think that this time is crucial, and what happens with Harith is going to affect how we see ourselves and in turn how we define our approach towards other situations like this in the future and so I hope that it's going to be a mature response on the part of the Malaysian public, and that we can move towards having at least a critical mass of people who can come up with the willpower at least to recognize that a joke is a joke, even if you don't like it personally, and if you don't like it, you should ignore it.
Hopefully some kind of immunity then is built up in Malaysia along the way 🙏
Why should he apologize? I bet he was referring to the coffee 😅
No! He shouldn’t apologize. Malay community and Chinese should learn to live and to let live. More than 20 years ago I used to be hypersensitive due to cultural conditioning but I have given up on Chinese Confucian Shame culture and perfection.
Awak bertanggung jawab terhadap bagaimana awak berasa.
Orang lain tak bangun pagi dengan niat nak buat awak rasa ini dan itu.
Jadi awak bertanggung jawab menjadi lebih matang dan belajar mengawal emosi.
Bukan tanggung jawab orang lain nak pastikan orang berhati tisu ni tak tersinggung sebab depa ni boleh tersinggung dengan apa sahaja.
Dah duduk semeja nak makan tapi tak ajak dia jom makan pun dia boleh kecil hati.
Paling best, kuasa ditanggang kamu. Kamu sentiasa ada pilihan untuk tidak menonton video atau orang yang anda rasa tidak menghormati kamu atau pandangan dan pendapat kamu.
Ramai akan tersinggung, marah dan rasa dihina jika saya kata jenis bodoh kalau salahkan seterika sebab ia panas berulang kali.
Masalahnya disini bukan seterika panas. Isunya yang asik melecur tersentuh seterika yang tengah panas.
Fakta adalah
1. seterika boleh panas melecur
2. Ada yang bodoh walaupun dah berkali kali melecur tetapi masih tak sedar.
Apa yang bukan fakta adalah kenyataan seterika dan orang bodoh itu dibuat dengan niat nak menghina kau.
Kau tak boleh terima kenyataan yang kemungkinan kau ni salah seorang yang bodoh.
@@theallseeingeye9388 analogi yg anda pakai silap ini.. anda tidak fhm isu nya disini..bukan isu hati tisu atau tanggungjwb perasaan.. myb anda tidak biasa dgn law of thought..isu disini adalah lawak berkenaan agama .bukan buat lawak shaja..lebih2 agama islam..seperti yg anda tahu Agama islam dgn tegas dan scara undang2 melarang apa2 joke ttg agama..sya minta anda tidak sama kn hal in dgn agama lain .sperti christian dan yahudi skrg..merka boleh perpakaian seperti jesus moses dijalanan boleh buat cartoon .buat joke..
Ini adalah prinsip agama
Cuba anda bygkan satu agama yg brtukar2 prinsip mengikut zaman..adakah ini agama yg benar ?
Bg sja mana2 agama yg boleh dipersenda adalah tidak lyk dijdkan agma..Tuhan tidak boleh dipersenda bg org2 yg beragama..agama yg benar tidak boleh diubah2 mengikut khendak manusia . Jika boleh baik lah sembh manusia..
But sya pasti anda tidak fhm..dan myb tidak akan fhm kerana berdasarkan statemnt anda sya berasa anda tidak tahu konsep agama dan Tuhan..
Jika tak tahu belajar.. jgn sesuka hati beri pendapat sendiri tanpa asas..lain lah jika anda sesorg yg pkar dlm bidang.. jika anda berckp kosong seperti ini.. mungkin anda rasa anda pandai tp org nmpk anda tiada ilmu untuk berckp hal ini
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No he dose not need to
Well said
Thank you for the kind compliment and see you in the next ones ahead! 🤩
What harith did had encourage non-muslim to insult Islam.. some must be thinking, if a muslim would insult their own religion, non-muslim also can maahh... that's where cecilia yap came in..
Ham sap just mean 'miang'. No big deal
@@cheahboonkheng4084 that is why the miang is angry.. naik ke daun.
Migrating is what he should do. I love his jokes and do not hope he stops here.
One sandwich also can be a big issue, Malaysia boleh ~~~~
Observe those people who are fare from virtuous that is why they badmouthing to disintegrate the social fabric. No worries for such people 😂
Just that funny
Zus is Zeus the Greek God. So obvious yet lots of denial.
He doesn’t need to apologize. Nuff said .
Nope. He's fine.
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He should apologize because the joke is such a bad taste. It is soooo dry and bull load of crap. He should learn from Ricky Gervais or Dave Chappele. very vulgar, can make jokes on any religion or even ethnicity, but they got class! Harith have no class at all.
Yea, it's not a very good joke.
Pretty sure Ricky Gervais would not be allowed to host a show in Malaysia. His jokes will definitely infuriate the religious ppl there.
Islam is not like other religion.. where any part of the religion can be nock can be joke about.. islam is a very serious religion and cannot be change.the strictness of the religion make it the fastest growing religion in the world..just so you all know..we never allowed any kind of jokes to be throw around..like other religion which have nothing to feel about it. If any religion can be comical myb that religion is fake or just man made..
Sure it’s the fastest growing and I won’t mock it either, but is it because of ‘strictness’ or is it because anyone who marries a Muslim would have a Muslim child in Malaysia and it is impossible to leave the religion even if you want to?
Let’s not spread false information to spread an agenda. Keep your focus on the simple fact that people aren’t allowed to mock your religion. Done. Finished. No further discussion or fake information.
Aren't religions man made,?😅
@@VictorTan sorry sir i mean conversion of faith.. no because marriage or whut not..every muslim country may differ in its laws and rule.. plus im talking in the world contact as we can see so many people in Europe start to revert to Islam as nowadays tech and scie have truly aid the truth in potraying islam as the tech and science debunked other religion just like that but Islam stand thru all of that ..even A.I help to prove Islam is the true and only religion.. i am sorry but ehich claim that i made is false can you point out
@@VictorTan and yes sir ..islam cannot be mock...no like christian jews.. portraying jesus moses as cartoons and jokes . To me any religion that can easily be mocked and people support them(thier own people) that religion is fake and have zero value..islam will always prevail then ,now and forever.. do what you say what you have too but in the end Islam will triumph against all
@@SEAN_BOSS agreed..all of them except Islam..proven for 1400 years even now..this is not a claim.. its the fact go do you research..no persuasion here..if you really seek truth..use everything for historical facts and tech science modern tools ..do a non bias research for yourself..be open minded on open for the truth..every book of 'God' have been debunked.. only islam with the quran stand out forever .. the only religion which challenge other to bring forth their evidence and not just that in the quran even go futher as it said to also bring your helper to help you disapprove the quran..the challenge have gone thru for more than 1900 years now ..feel free to except this challenge .
Even though same spelling "ham", but both are spoken in different intonation. Different intonation means different meaning, in Chinese language, which people who don't know Chinese language don't understand.
Ham sat has nothing to do with ham. Ham sat means gatal. Ham sat kopi means kopi gatal. Maybe ham sat kopi refers to coffee with tongkat ali. So it has nothing do with ham nor insulting Islam.
It's Harm sap or sup depending on your pronunciation
Anologi seterika anda kurang tepat..dlm konteks ini..
Y shld Harith apologise ?
He shouldn’t have to, but if he does I wouldn’t be surprised - it’s unlikely that he will actually be sincere even if he meets JAKIM or anyone else though, but I hope he makes the better choice (perversely enough) as a bastion of sanity in Malaysia.
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ham sap i think it means sex thoughts anybody can explain better
No.comedian is form of art. Police should not entertain every complain made.just like Namewee.
@@looleongchai
It's true what you've said. Comedy is, in fact, a form of art.
But, as with any type of art, though, there are archetypes of excellence and continuums over which each archetype may vary (say, closeness to human form as an ideal, with more close being better and less close being worse, but not to the exclusion of other archetypes of beauty or to the necessary inclusion of a particular archetype - it would not do to say that a photorealistic painting of a bowl of fruit is bad because it contains no semblance to a human) that make some art better than others, and there are some boundaries that do exist, at least in what we can call an Overton window of what is acceptable in the artistic world even as we appreciate that communities are formed from multiple individuals with their own preferences, standards of acceptability, and behavioral inclinations even as we accept the limitations both of language and human cognition in appreciating what is communicated in an evolving world.
Some would say that the universe of art has unlimited boundaries, and that everything that is sacred can and should be considered profane, used as material for the laugh or the criticism.
Spiritually speaking, I am inclined to identify with that.
But, in practice, I am sure that there are many thousands of things out there which would offend me, and about which I would object if it were presented to me.
The question is almost never “should there be boundaries” if we think about it long enough, because it is uncontroversial that there are boundaries to speech and also uncontroversial that we accept at least some of these, though it is popular to imagine that there should be none.
For example, you would not want someone to mock the death of your parents and call it humour, or participate in what we call bullying of other races, simply because it is said that certain things are a joke, partly because that circumscribes the rights of others.
In a similar way, we cannot expect every single person to laugh at every single thing and living in a society is uncontroversially a situation where we circumscribe some freedom of speech at least partially.
At least in some ways, it is true that not every complaint should be entertained, but some definitely should be.
And the question is, which one?
With what response, and in what way, so that all members of a pluralistic society can agree upon its fairness, and the element of bias on the part of the legal system can meaningfully be minimised in lockstep, with the way that its perception of bias can be minimised, satirist paribus, while educating the society sufficiently that the part of prejudice on the part of the public too can be minimised, and any deviations from the law can be minimised?
Not really an easy set of questions to answer, but crucial to explore at least!
Should ask the Muslim "yang terpaling" when they perform the haj or umrah in the holy land to visit the convenience stores there and see for themselves HAM being sold openly that are halal ( read non pork) and nobody makes a hue and cry over it. This again show the level of intelligence and understanding of world issues at hand. I could try and see if i can get a picture of it and post it online for all to see but again since this is bolehlah i might be hauled up by the authorities . Scary ya.
Thing is, their statements are inconsistent and it is unsurprising that that’s the case.
You can see people mention that ‘ham’ is illegal to be sold as halal or perhaps with JAKIM halal certification across multiple instances but then it is clear to me that there are multiple kinds of halal posing items out there, which may actually be halal, but just haven't separately applied for certifications that JAKIM would have them apply for as a grounds for charging a separate fee for another certification which, by the way, is mainly paid by non Muslims (70% of all halal certs are held by non Muslims) for the purpose of marketing and that the others like to cry about and say oops, we are M we don’t need these certificates.
In all fairness, I'm not surprised that Harith would have a confusion about the matter even as a practicing Muslim (assuming that there was a confusion), because the sheer list of requirements and updates that happen on the daily are difficult to follow, and require intentioned effort for a person to actually know the current state at any given point.
A reasonable person is very unlikely to have the knowledge that would be required of them to make intentioned judgements of matters like these, and expecting every single person or even the average person to clearly know what the issues are and brooking no compromise is unrealistic.
The broader point that I'm trying to make through what I'm saying though, and which I think that you realize, is that our society needs to get better at tolerating stupid people, because stupidity is not the exception, but rather it is the norm. If our society were to continue going out and becoming aggravated at every single instance of low IQ behavior, that would clearly be a problem. Of course, if we didn't go out and speak about clear instances where somebody had not done their research, or at least had a minimum level of awareness, then that would be a problem as well - but there is a fine line there, because the level you need to be at just to be aligned with the truth is wild.
What you mentioned is an interesting example of that.
It's interesting to know that there is halal ham on hajj.
But that just shows the difference in jurisprudential interpretation and manifested law across jurisdictions where the Malaysian authorities, it seems, chose to ensure that that which is halal cannot be connected with ham - a quirk of the Malaysian system - which evidently is not present in Saudi Arabia as a jurisdiction, either if there is no comparable halal certification or that such a certification even if it exists and applies to the products you saw, does not entail non-usage of the terms ‘ham’ or ‘bacon’ etc - that illustrates the difficulty of interpretation in the first place.
When it comes to situations where there are arcane or human-made rules brought about from interpretations of source material put into place whereby such interpretations require a person to have maximum awareness and perspicacity in checking for things, I think it is good to recognize human failing and also human flaws, and as such to have a little bit of empathy or compassion, rather than to allow emotion and everything it brings to just take over the moment and to define the narrative.
People often feel like they have the right to grouse and society tends to simply allow such displays of emotion, or does not punish them, proclaiming that they are closer to appropriate than anything that vaguely offends some people of the right leanings. It is a condition of clear hypocrisy, and if it is not known domestically just yet, then it should be. And if it were not known internationally before, then we should make it - People who attempt to take matters into their own hands should be uniformly and universally punished.
@VictorTan well said. Funny how the Malays here are quick to brand other Muslims around the world as not practicing Islam as it should be when we see here that bribery is regarded as "sedekah" while paying fines is considered " derma jihad".
Rainfall over in Saudi is far and in between so whenever it rains for just 30 minutes or so the drainage would be overwhelmed thus flooding the roads. We here are of the opinion that a desert country when flooded would signify " akhir ZAMAN" thus accusing them of not following the true principles is Islam. How I know all these is because my daughter is working there and sometimes the Arabs themselves shake their head at our ignorance. I think we have to most number of " terpaling Islam" citizens judging by the online comments and the eagerness to jump on any issue pertaining to the " sensitivity" of their religion .
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@@jasonlow8715 Wow thanks for sharing - yes I wouldn’t be surprised - it remains for Malaysia to start realizing how ridiculous we are as a society I guess 🤭 Gong Xi Fa Cai to you as well Jason!
@@jasonlow8715 complex issues. different people practice it differently. Islam here n there is pockets of differences. most considered minor. cumulatively very diverse. some ok with the term, some gunk down haram food like of no consequences. some dun even bother to fast in holy month.
bigger spectrum of thing is some calling for islamic reformation. yet some wanted it strictly conservative. who is on which side, hardly can tell. observe, most of the time this is where the fire sparks from.
I am neutral Malay Muslims not too liberal and not too conservative.. I think Harith Iskander did nothing wrong.. He just make a funny content took from someone who is an attention seeker.. Supposed that man an attention seeker should be punish first not Harith..
these fellows need to grow up
that joker is not a joker…
Not funny at all
Well, it's something more than that, but only for the level of consciousness. 🙏
Ham Sandwich, 1MDB, Pardon. Malaysian really got misplaced priority!
I never liked him ever because he's not actually funny and I thought why he's considered funny, he always try very hard to be "funny"😅
Yea he’s not a great comedian - I tried to watch him before and he actually did a show upon the launch of a property development in which I made a purchase, and that show was one of the most painful experiences I had in my life 😭
Why ppl can be so sensitive when it comes for islam. But if other religion are offended no action is taken. This entitled ppl are so full of bullshit n hypocrite. I hope harith just migrate to better open minded country for better future. Malaysia is doomed with religion bigotry n fanatics.
Kenapa orang cina tak boleh nak hormat kaum dan agama lain?
Oh is it Cina or are you just a racist?
This is not a space for you to vent your racist nonsense, although I’m happy to showcase that you are a racist to the world through content, and as we grow, to advocate that people like you can only ever say what you’re saying anonymously or with consequences. 😊
Kenapa MM selalu cakap NM tak hormat kaum dan agama ???? tak ada benda lain nak cakap ke ??
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Maybe cause it does happen once in a while, but these people think on a very primitive level and like to assume that all people who are non Malay care about race and religion 25/7 when frankly it would be so much better in this country if we didn’t care about this and anyone who starts a conversation about that is either socially ostracized or silenced (IMO) because neither of those things is really relevant in the grand scheme of things because who you are is not determined by who you were born as (unless you are Muslim and you stay in Malaysia - that is a fact that cannot be changed whether people like it or not), but then our current reality doesn’t look like that and whoops, we actually and unfortunately have to have conversations about this c’est la vie. 😭
@@teehee8522 I religion=offended by everything ashamed of nothing.
setiap tuduhan adalah pengakuan
i drink kopi jantan everyday.. is kopi jantan insulting islam?
@@Xyyymm hmmm... possibly. hv to ask the authorities. come up with a statement, cos everyone is now confused.
Why should
i can't find any element from it that insults islam.... i can't find even the word of ISLAM in it... the thing is, how harith insults islam? crazy...