ok, I know that I am quite late and I might sound dumb but isn’t 0.765kWh is just for one hour? should you like… multiply it by 3 first so it’s 3 hours of his pc time per day?
If the people paying the bills (usually parents) had any idea why their electricity bills were so high - they think its the aircon or the heating or the kettle and they are putting low wattage lights around the house etc - little to they know that the gaming PC they bought for the brat locked in the bedroom gaming all day is using more power than they could imagine, I pay my electric and I refuse to upgrade my system because quite frankly the power usage is insane
@@DarkDragon-jo4ke what are the specs of your pc? I am wondering if I should stay with the old AM4 (5900x + RTX 3060) or should I buy the latest models, but I am afraid of the consumption =)
That was an excellent video, buddy. I don't play games on PC, but it helps being aware of how much your electricity bill will cost.
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This is something to think about when thinking of reuse an old pc as a server. I live in Sweden and we had some hefty electric payments the last six month so there is absolutely money to save on a year, and counting all different users will sum up in lots of wasted energy and money. The router is one thing most not turn off, but there is money and safety won by set the wireless to not operate in the router when you know it wont be in use.
Fun fact: There are places where people leave their cars running all day long. Yakutsk, a city in Yakutia, Siberia, Russia have 7 months of -71°C winter. Drivers leave their cars running, even at night because if they don't the engines and the oils will freeze and they won't turn back on. The people that can afford heated garages (not as common as you think to heat a garage during that cold winters) can at least turn their engines off when they get home. Very informative video, thanks for sharing!
@@TarenGarond that's heavily exaggerated, although the far northern parts of Russia get pretty cold from November to mid May, but that's northern Syberia. ain't really no people up that way, it's just animals and other wildlife. but most people live within Moscow, it gets snowy and Russia does get cold, but only the far northern parts way up in Syberia drop below average Winter temperature, but that's the Pole, it's the Arctic. there's very little sunlight from December until early March, but i don't know any person that far up. i lived in the Ukraine for a little while when i was younger, but i remember it snowed alot. i had family in Russia though, but we all moved when i turned 12 at the time.
That temperature is wrong. The record is -64°C. From a quick google, they had about 10-15 days in this year with temps around -50-55°C. Yes that is freaky cold, but it's not minus 71 and nowhere near months of it.
Not gonna lie, I used to keep my gaming PC idling 24/7 when I wasn't using it. INCLUDING WHEN I WENT ON VACATION. I don't do that nowadays, but BOY was I stupid!
I enjoyed this Nick, this is good global comparison and insightful. You might be considering doing this home project on a larger scare, have you considered presenting this to a large organization after counting and estimating their energy bills savings if idle status is avoided by programmed remote mass shutdowns? Very interesting.
Power (and thermal) cycling is what will usually kill electronics. I pretty much never power my PC off (since c. 2012, now on the 3rd build), never had a _single_ hardware failure in that time, not even an HDD. The one from 2012 (P8Z77 / 2500K, later 3770K), according to the SMART data on a couple of WD Greens running in RAID 0, was running for 6.5 years of 7.5 years before I upgraded. It drew c. 45W at the wall, the current one under 40W.
Very good. I learned not to leave my PC on waay back when the motherboard started melting. Granted it was a cheap one, and the PSU might not have been much good either. If I hadn’t been in the house would have gone up in flames, which would definitely have wasted a lot of energy.
Yea I have the same power meter too. I bought mine from Aliexpress. Even LTT uses the same power meter. Apparently, it's a pretty good power meter. Just do not leave it plugged into a high-power source (around 1,000W+) for long periods of time as u will risk burning it and causing a fire.
Greetings from Europe. 7 USD cents per kWh is something we can only dream of. Where I live prices are 12 times higher, and still going up. Yes, that's right. 12 times higher. I'm not kidding you. We are just under 0.9 USD per kWh (autumn 2022). Makes you think twice before leaving all your appliances on standby. And there's the environmental impact as well.
i used to be the idiot to leave my pc 'idling' overnight, went to work the next morning only to come back home to my pc at some point and do a gaming session of roughly 2-6 hours. it took me a year to realize how much this wasted power had cost me on the yearly bill. that isn't even funny anymore. so to all the other idiots still idling around the globe: Turn OFF your pc whenever you leave it for more then roughly an hour. seriously. on top of all that, it isn't just idling.. you are shaving off running hours from the lifespan of your components.. this may not have a direct impact but in the long run it will shave off years. this is because electronic devices simply die over time from usage.
Heheh, OTR truckers do it all the time, leaving their trucks idling over night as they sleep in their cabs. ALL cruise ships are running 24/7 because they can not shut off the systems onboard without damaging the vessel, and cause mold to form all over the interior.
If the power supply will only pull as much power as needed from the wall, why does having a higher capacity power supply generate a larger electricity bill? If you don't use the whole thing, are you charged as if you are?
Have a larger power supply generally shouldn't increase power consumption. The power supply rating is simply a limit on how many watts it can pull at one time. I have a 850W power supply. If I had a 650W power supply with the same efficiency rating, it MAY pull slightly less power. Somewhere between 0%-2% less www.wepc.com/tips/power-supply-ratings-exactly-what-do-they-mean/
Hold on, was that 130w on idle? That sounds like strangely large numbers. I dont have a power meter, but the self-reported numbers from my components total to 40w total when idling. Do you have any kind of breakdown of your idle numbers? For example how much of a difference would it make to just turn off the screen and leave the computer on? You're wasting money anyway I suppose, but it would still be interesting to know, especially since most modern components will idle really well. The GPU you have should idle at less than 20w.
I'm thinking of getting a gaming pc, nothing immense, but good enough, but I have been worried about power consumption. $30/year isnt THAT bad actually, especially since I already turn my stuff off, by the wall, when not in use and my pc would likely just be an RX 7500.
A huge part of that is your 48" screen. Turn down the brightness to 50%, turn down the refresh rate to 144hz. Then with your cpu, you need to look into lowering voltage, etc.
it also depends on the game you are playing and the graphics settings, if you are playing yakuza, lol, rocket league... these games are not demanding. Let's try this, assume you are playing red dead redemption 2, Alane Wake 2, baldur's gate3or and bad optimized games, these games can cause your pc to shut down if you have a PSU below 450w, simply put gpu demand too much power
great video. I def leave my computer on all the time, i run a server and a plex server off it as well. Really would like to see what my watts are being used.. nice Coverage though. really appreciate it!
Feels confused and sicks now every releasing new vga card power consumption always increases and wastes electricity too, in the end just play consoles just dont care fps rate even upgrade too just have fun
it's insane how cheap the utility is in the states...in Germany I'm expecting 62 euro cents/kWh next year (already got the letter from utility company)
My computer has 12 hard drives, nvidia 1660, AMD thredripper 2950X and 1000w power supply. Using my solar scam monitoring software, it shows that I am using more power for my computer than my air conditioner. I'm upgrading to a 4090 and a 1300 watt power supply.
If I do this calculations for Denmark in q3-22 and put in my price converted to todays exchange rate, I would pay $143 for 280kwh and that is not specific to Denmark, and will go up coming months. - Maybe time to the same video but for current day pricing?
I'm very confused with that calculation @ 4:50 . You were measuring the usage for 3h. So it's not 5.4 cent /(1 hour). it's 5.4 cent / (3 hour) = 1.8 cents/h So the correct cost would be the latter, times by 365 days in a year. (converted to days, 24 h/day) 1.8cents/h * 365day * 24 h/day = $157.68 for 1 year. This conflicts with the whole video, and no one else is saying anything so I assume it's me. What am I missing here? Edit: I think I might get it now, it was a mistake on your part, you were only every calculating 3h use times in this part of the video (3h of high usage cost) but for some reason in that section of the vid you bring up yearly, 365 days :/ and also call 19 DOLLARS, 19 cents lol. But I think the chart at the end of it all makes sense.
@@TechIlliterate Yah i got it in the end, as i added in the "Edit:" section. The numbers seem correct in the end table. My constructive criticism still stands though: It's simply the math "etiquette", very poor in this video. Use units and the correct operation you are doing at the least. Not just writing a line then a new number lol. For example (given 0.765 kWh in 3h => 0.255 kWh/h . I do that so we have the standard conversion rate of 255 Wh/h to use) Total cost = (0.255 Wh/h) * (0.07 $/(Wh) ) * (3h/day) * (365 days/1year) = $19.55 per year (@ 3h usage each day) Even just having your units in there makes things much easier to understand (at least for people looking at the math part, if viewers blow past that and assume it's correct fair enough lol, I was calculating for my own computer as well) Could then use that conversion to estimate a higher usage cost, say i play for 8h a day. Take the 255 Wh/h => $52.12 per year (@ 8h usage each day) It's just so much more clear, but if you don't care fair enough 👍
The newer, more cutting edge processors, etc. use much more power than their older counterparts did. Overwhelmingly these newer components would be more energy efficient pound for pound, but because they have many more cores and such they are using noticeably more energy overall. An example: Intel i7-6700K 90-110 watts Intel i7-13700K:125-253 watts That is just one component example. Your CPU cooling choice will impact this also as liquid coolers necessarily use considerably more power than air as another example. When you add every component in a given rig together plus elaborate RGB lighting schemes on top of that you are consuming more and more energy than many previous generations of gaming PCs did. It is rapidly becoming a paywalled money pit of a hobby.
Can someone answer my question please. I have a pc 600w psu on idle it spends around 150 on heavy gaming it spend max 250. I used a similar device as the one in this video. Spec are gtx 960 i5 11400. Is it normal to only spend that much?
what a bs... all my devices have no issues. And never had. I remove everything from electricity completely. Guys like you cry if the TV is damaged after holidays because you think it is better to leave it plugged in... completely waste of energy. Mind full of fear.
9 cents / kWh ? wtf, and it's 1 year old video? google say now it's 23cent/kWh, in the US, the average energy price, still super cheap where I live Ireland, it's .44 euro cents (about 48cents in USD) My last 2 month bill was €438 (luckily government pays €200 compensation). That is 1 computer (running all day, work from home), 2 other computer, one runs sometimes for few hours my brother plays, on weekends.. Diablo, the other one just used for like googling/facebook/poker few hours a week. Our fridge/freezer/water (tank) heater. Lights, and normal stuff, electric cooker, one air purifier, 1 UV fly trap... modem, router.. general stuff. We used 1250 kWh in 2 months (I found it a bit high, we need to look around what is using a lot).
Yup I think its been raised slightly here. Now average 11c/kWh CAD (7.4 euro cents). Probably the cheapest in North America, maybe even the developed world. In BC we aren't dependant on external factors for the most part. Having mountains and hydro electric dams is a thing of beauty. I hope it gets better for you soon.
my pc doesn't like to sleep, i come back to it being non responsive, crashed or unuseable, so sleep and hybernate are off the table, but when i know im going to be away from it i turn it off, but i know many people that just leave it on all day and night and spend maybe a couple of hours a day actually using it while the rest of the time it's sitting there running, warmed up, and ready to go, im sure there is a bot net that just loves their computer.
Loving this content man. Personally I run a 5800x with a 6800xt and i turn my PC off every time I'm done using it for this reason. i want to know what's the reason of leaving a computer idling ? For quick access really ? Get your self ssds the boot process is so much quicker use it and turn it off !
@@armschoolc32 wait a second are you seriously complaining about 15- 20 seconds and trying to start an argument just so you can tickle your balls over saving some energy yearly ? ... pathetic
Honestly.. I love efficiency and there is another hidden cost in using a PC. Wear and tear.. using a PC invariably over long periods of time will eventually see a failure somewhere. Might be as simple as a fan dying or a drive giving up etc. My high end gaming PC with multi-monitor setup I realized was total overkill for just relaxing, browsing the web, chatting on discord, watching youtube videos etc. A great alternative, is.. using a Raspberry PI 4b. A $50-$70 single board computer. It can easily do all of those things for around 0.2W per hour.. basically for almost no cost. When I don't need all the capabilities of a big gaming rig, I can turn it off.. and switch to the PI. Silent and super efficient.
It is worse for your computer turning it on and off, I leave my PC on forever and I have components that are there for a decade. I do this for more than a decade and the components that I experienced failure were the really bad ones (due to a fabrication problem or something), fact is that it is more likely you gonna despise your good components before its stops working. I know it sounds stupid leaving PC on forever but I got my means for doing this and here we have clean energy.
@@gutexp May well be worse for your computer but generally in life I hate wasting stuff including energy, water and gas. I also use Sleep, Hibernate and Turn Off all the time and my PCs are fine. I even turn off my home built TrueNas server if I don't use for an extended period of time LOL. But I understand your point.
@@Ludak021 This old chestnut have any scientifically obtained proof? Genuine curiousity here, I want to avoid the energy pollution costs of manufacturing new parts, not just the energy used on my end. This isn't the 90s where all PSUs were cheap junk which sent sudden 5V and 12V jolts to shitty capacitors in underdesigned filter circuits. Most chips run on 3.3V or even 1.5V input now. SSDs use a shockingly high about of electricity compared to spinning rust (as I found out when deciding on my laptop's m.2 vs SATA), but they also don't have the initial load spike on power up, and no mechanical wear from spin-up/down. I suppose there's also a factor of modern CPUs, drivers, and OS ability to send components into lower-power states during idle that wasn't a thing back in the 90s and 00s, either, so that further complicates the question on the "leaving it on" side.
Thanks for this information, this is not easy to find. I wish I had this kind of data when I lived with my father and he complained that the computer was making the power bill skyrocket (while he usually fell asleep with his CRT TV on all night until I noticed at 4-5am, and now THAT'S a power hungry device).
The list at 7:00 makes me so mad as a German. Seems like we're a small island because our great politicians are brain dead since 2000. How can you have this high Energie costs and still try to be a leading industrial country. Same with fuel and pretty much anything else.
Thanks for the informative video and love from Turkey, I generally idle my computer between lunch times because I'm lazy but now I will know better! As a foot note, leaving your computer on idle while on the main menu of a game you paused will passively strain your system just the same as when you're gaming and it will be much worse to leave it idling like that. In most main menus the game is still being rendered on the background as evident by the heat and the fan noise that comes from your computer. The heat will make your thermal paste go dry with time(causing thermal throttles on CPU, worse performance on GPU) and the electricity wasted will double. So, don't do what I used to do; which is leaving the game open and doing something else, just save, quit and turn off your computer. Your computer will thank you :)
On the game menu, the CPU usage should be very low since there is no need to run the game logic and physics. Also, to reduce GPU usage, turn on vsync. If you pause the game, the game might suspend the game logic and physics as well. Some games render the background and render the menu on top as a semi-transparent thing which means work for the GPU.
@@louistournas120 Yes. Though I don't use VSync because it limits FPS to 60, I use a high refresh monitor. In that case I limit my FPS to my monitor refresh rate using RivaTuner. Uncapped frame rates will cause more work for GPU and will result in coil whine noise, will reduce longevity of GPU thermal paste condition as well as more energy waste. Good points on game logic not working on background but most games will also have memory leak issues so after you come again in an hour or so, game will be more laggy.
Nvidia needs to get their stuff in order. in Germany and many other EU countries power costs >35 USD cents per KwH. Real money. My 1660 Super alone consumes 15-20 watt just idling on the desktop- so i pay over $50 for the privilige of having a DGPU. My Ryzen 5700G entire system with 32 Gigs, 3 SSDs and APU costs only 25-30 watts Idling, the card almost DOUBLES that. NVIDIA needs stop wasting power, there is NO REASON these cards suck up this much wattage just sitting around. I'm sure if you pull out that 3090 you will halve your idle draw as well.
That's pretty terrible price damn. For me it costs currently a bit over 13 €cents/kwh. My pc with 3600x and 5700xt pulls 95w at idle. Could be lower but i find it acceptable imo.
Here in Mexico City, if you go past 125 KWh per month, you get reclassified to a different rate, which costs 5 times more per KWh. For 125 KWh, you can expect to pay about 5 USD per month, but if you get reclassified, it goes up to 150 USD per month. So much for owning a Gamer PC here… Fuck Latin America.
@@Krzeszny1995PL The PSU isn''t the only part affected, the entire system is. Jayztwocents has a video showing CPU voltage spiking to 1.5+ volts on startup and other things also experience similar spikes. From the hardware's perspective, sleep mode isn't much different, the only difference is the RAM stays powered and uses a few watts since it would lose its data otherwise. These power cycles aren't much of a problem in the short term, but when you keep your stuff for many years like I do (I'm still using a Core 2 Quad from 16 years ago in one of my systems), it's worth considering.
Love the video! I actually just used one of your other videos to under-volt my graphics card, I'm only rocking a 1660 Super, but I cut the wattage down nearly 40%, and my temps down by 30% while only losing like 6% of my FPS. I still hate how much energy desktops use compared to a laptop for just browsing the web/simple document work. My desktop still uses about 48-70 watts vs my laptop using about 10-20 watts for those simple activities. I wonder why desktops can't go into some super high energy-efficiency mode when you're doing stuff that doesn't stress the system at all?
If you have a gaming laptop it will use an extremely complicated method of switching video processing from your GPU to the more efficient on board video. This is a massive PITA to deal with but it is more efficient. Desktops don't do this, they're always using your GPU, which just uses more power as a baseline, even if you're undervolting. One thing you CAN do is tell Windows not to use your Hardware Acceleration for certain applications on your PC. I think this is under the Gaming settings on Win11. This means the GPU will stay idle instead of consuming more power. The other option is of course to use a SOC that combines graphics and CPU on one chip. AMD calls these "APUs." It is much slower for gaming but still usable, and more power (and of course cost) efficient. In this case you use the video outputs on your motherboard instead of a separate GPU.
subbed. im seeing a lot of high end pcs being built with no consideration for power usage, i would much rather see a build that is powerful and energy efficient
Try "Wolfgangs channel" he recently had video about power efficient server. But you likely want a compromise if you want a PC and you are not ok with a tablet. I have PC on for a long time (home office, games, ...) and I'd say it costs like 20$ per month (price doubled in last year where i live due to war in Ukraine and expensive natural gas - actually price tripled, but half of the price used to be distribution fee ... hell with included taxes, Czech Republic reached Solomon island prices)
Thanks for this. Quality content right there. Did you see Germany as #10 on the list of most expensive countries. Just small island nations are more expensive 🤔
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I know this. We are shutting down nuclear power plants, just so we can buy nuclear power from France and Finland. It‘s stupid.
Power bills gone up in the UK and i rent. Im working from home and we're trying to keep the bills down. I do have another housemate but im not sure how much of the energy bill i should feel bad about - theres probably a biased because im home most of the day. I will have to get one of these!
It would be interesting to compare cost now we have a global energy crisis. Here in London for example costs can be 5X higher! ......do most of your general computing on a NUC :) I also advise running everything from a power strip with individually switched sockets. Turn off chargers, power bricks etc when not in use.
God forbid you talk about efficiency with AMD CPU and the most expensive and power hungry Nvidia GPU, even if you pay several hundreds USD for power annually this is not an issue for you and the build is neither cost effective nor power optimized.
Fun fact. In places where it is extreme cold. People leave their cars running so their car doesn’t freeze up. You might see this taking place in northern territories.
I am in BC as well. But I am using an AMD 3200G APU. No discrete GPU, so I just sip power. So my yearly cost for computer use is probably what I would pay for one beer in a nightclub.
Any Update? We need new calculations with new price for KWh. In Poland we have about $0,40/KWH and we are not a Island :-) And I can say more, companys witout private bills have to paid araound 0.80USD/1KWH
I use a modest gaming pc when gaming, and when working, browsing the web and doing other basic computing tasks I use an Intel NUC! I also leave the NUC powered on for roughly 12 hours per day as it has Sonarr and Radarr installed on it, as I want to ensure it downloads all the latest releases. The NUC uses between 5-10 watts when idle and between 10-20 watts under load! For comparison, my gaming pc uses roughly 150 watts under load when gaming and about 40 watts when idle.
I have data recorded every 5 seconds for a year showing my office, bedroom and living room PC usages. Having that data over the year saved me 25% on my electric bill. Gamers in particular need to pay more attention to the wattage and start to see it as a "bad" thing. My PC idles at 95-115W. Very similar spec to yours. However. Running a game in full 4k with default settings and no VSync will immediately raise that to 550-600W. However, if I go and enable VSync that drops under 400W. Lower the res to 1440P and all the fans stop and it comes down to 320W. When I run "3DMark" Benchmarks like Time Spy. I can see each phase of the test on the mains power chart. I got so upset with this, I spend £3000 buying solar panels, batteries and an inverter to solar power the whole thing. Now I can game "guilt" free AND save on electric bill.
Interesting, how much does that equate to as watts used? If I was to buy an inverter what size would I need to run a rig like yours in gaming mode for 3 hrs? Any advice appreciated.
If i was to use PC - it is using like , 1 KWH every 3 hours or so. A KWH is now 37 cents. I use for 3-9 hours. So i could use about call it a buck 10 a day. My Gaming PC costs me 300 dollars a year to use with this calculation.
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how much does your PC cost
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So 130w per hour idle with monitors on or off?
ok, I know that I am quite late and I might sound dumb but isn’t 0.765kWh is just for one hour? should you like… multiply it by 3 first so it’s 3 hours of his pc time per day?
which power supply should i buy that consume less electricity ?
If the people paying the bills (usually parents) had any idea why their electricity bills were so high - they think its the aircon or the heating or the kettle and they are putting low wattage lights around the house etc - little to they know that the gaming PC they bought for the brat locked in the bedroom gaming all day is using more power than they could imagine, I pay my electric and I refuse to upgrade my system because quite frankly the power usage is insane
Before I upgrade my pc I was paying $180 electricity bill now that I upgrade $3400 pc I pay $280-$300 electricity bill
@@DarkDragon-jo4ke what are the specs of your pc? I am wondering if I should stay with the old AM4 (5900x + RTX 3060) or should I buy the latest models, but I am afraid of the consumption =)
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An even higher indirect cost is turning the brat into an even more bratier brat! (is bratier a word? 🤔)
@@Lightblurs unless you are lagging there is no reason for upgrading your pc dude. My motherboard is 12 years old and I play whatever I want fine
This is exactly the video I was looking for in 2022 when electricity in the UK is now 52p/kWh
the price for ukraine
That was an excellent video, buddy. I don't play games on PC, but it helps being aware of how much your electricity bill will cost.
This is something to think about when thinking of reuse an old pc as a server. I live in Sweden and we had some hefty electric payments the last six month so there is absolutely money to save on a year, and counting all different users will sum up in lots of wasted energy and money. The router is one thing most not turn off, but there is money and safety won by set the wireless to not operate in the router when you know it wont be in use.
Fun fact: There are places where people leave their cars running all day long. Yakutsk, a city in Yakutia, Siberia, Russia have 7 months of -71°C winter. Drivers leave their cars running, even at night because if they don't the engines and the oils will freeze and they won't turn back on. The people that can afford heated garages (not as common as you think to heat a garage during that cold winters) can at least turn their engines off when they get home.
Very informative video, thanks for sharing!
That is a fun fact. Thanks!
7 months of -71C that is a massively extreme exaggeration!
@@TarenGarond that's heavily exaggerated, although the far northern parts of Russia get pretty cold from November to mid May, but that's northern Syberia. ain't really no people up that way, it's just animals and other wildlife. but most people live within Moscow, it gets snowy and Russia does get cold, but only the far northern parts way up in Syberia drop below average Winter temperature, but that's the Pole, it's the Arctic. there's very little sunlight from December until early March, but i don't know any person that far up. i lived in the Ukraine for a little while when i was younger, but i remember it snowed alot. i had family in Russia though, but we all moved when i turned 12 at the time.
You know there are engine block heaters for that right?
That temperature is wrong. The record is -64°C. From a quick google, they had about 10-15 days in this year with temps around -50-55°C. Yes that is freaky cold, but it's not minus 71 and nowhere near months of it.
Not gonna lie, I used to keep my gaming PC idling 24/7 when I wasn't using it. INCLUDING WHEN I WENT ON VACATION. I don't do that nowadays, but BOY was I stupid!
what was your bills?
Vacation too 💀
I enjoyed this Nick, this is good global comparison and insightful. You might be considering doing this home project on a larger scare, have you considered presenting this to a large organization after counting and estimating their energy bills savings if idle status is avoided by programmed remote mass shutdowns?
Very interesting.
"I spend a day 4+ hours on my computer which is a lot"
those are rookie numbers. hahaha...
Ahhh, the good old times of cheap electricity 😢
In Yakutsk they leave the cars running all winter, non stop, ever, until spring!
Thx for the video. Good info... I now leave my PC running idle 24/7 🤦
Power (and thermal) cycling is what will usually kill electronics. I pretty much never power my PC off (since c. 2012, now on the 3rd build), never had a _single_ hardware failure in that time, not even an HDD. The one from 2012 (P8Z77 / 2500K, later 3770K), according to the SMART data on a couple of WD Greens running in RAID 0, was running for 6.5 years of 7.5 years before I upgraded. It drew c. 45W at the wall, the current one under 40W.
Thanks to a little project of mine, my computer now talks directly to the Smart Meter on my home. The power company now thinks it owes ME money.
How in the earth you dont have 300k subscribers!? Thanks for your videos
Very good. I learned not to leave my PC on waay back when the motherboard started melting. Granted it was a cheap one, and the PSU might not have been much good either. If I hadn’t been in the house would have gone up in flames, which would definitely have wasted a lot of energy.
Yea I have the same power meter too. I bought mine from Aliexpress. Even LTT uses the same power meter. Apparently, it's a pretty good power meter. Just do not leave it plugged into a high-power source (around 1,000W+) for long periods of time as u will risk burning it and causing a fire.
Thanks for the info. Don't need that in my life
What power meter is this, do you have the exact model or link? I know its an old post but who knows xD maybe any of you see this
Undervolting also helps.
Greetings from Europe. 7 USD cents per kWh is something we can only dream of. Where I live prices are 12 times higher, and still going up.
Yes, that's right. 12 times higher. I'm not kidding you. We are just under 0.9 USD per kWh (autumn 2022).
Makes you think twice before leaving all your appliances on standby.
And there's the environmental impact as well.
"Don't live on small islands to do PC gaming!" Now I'm considering moving off a small island. 😅
what about "turn off monitor after X mount of time", Mine turns off after 15 minutes, so it basically becomes a non-factor with some ~10W @ standby.
Good vid man; good message, good advice.
i used to be the idiot to leave my pc 'idling' overnight, went to work the next morning only to come back home to my pc at some point and do a gaming session of roughly 2-6 hours.
it took me a year to realize how much this wasted power had cost me on the yearly bill.
that isn't even funny anymore.
so to all the other idiots still idling around the globe: Turn OFF your pc whenever you leave it for more then roughly an hour. seriously.
on top of all that, it isn't just idling.. you are shaving off running hours from the lifespan of your components.. this may not have a direct impact but in the long run it will shave off years.
this is because electronic devices simply die over time from usage.
LOL, In the UK we can only dream of power costs like that, we are more like 36c per hour!
Heheh, OTR truckers do it all the time, leaving their trucks idling over night as they sleep in their cabs. ALL cruise ships are running 24/7 because they can not shut off the systems onboard without damaging the vessel, and cause mold to form all over the interior.
Awesome video man!
this is great, i was so curious about my pc power consumption i appreciate the information.
Hooray for my solar panels, keeping my gaming PC cruising along for no dollars at all!
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Just don’t ask what the panels cost. 🤫
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If the power supply will only pull as much power as needed from the wall, why does having a higher capacity power supply generate a larger electricity bill? If you don't use the whole thing, are you charged as if you are?
Have a larger power supply generally shouldn't increase power consumption. The power supply rating is simply a limit on how many watts it can pull at one time.
I have a 850W power supply. If I had a 650W power supply with the same efficiency rating, it MAY pull slightly less power. Somewhere between 0%-2% less
www.wepc.com/tips/power-supply-ratings-exactly-what-do-they-mean/
@@TechIlliterate Thank you, I appreciate the info.
Hold on, was that 130w on idle? That sounds like strangely large numbers. I dont have a power meter, but the self-reported numbers from my components total to 40w total when idling.
Do you have any kind of breakdown of your idle numbers? For example how much of a difference would it make to just turn off the screen and leave the computer on?
You're wasting money anyway I suppose, but it would still be interesting to know, especially since most modern components will idle really well. The GPU you have should idle at less than 20w.
I'm thinking of getting a gaming pc, nothing immense, but good enough, but I have been worried about power consumption. $30/year isnt THAT bad actually, especially since I already turn my stuff off, by the wall, when not in use and my pc would likely just be an RX 7500.
My gaming setup (LG CX 48", RTX 3090 and 5950x) consumes around 250w, just browsing the web... The CX alone consumes about 70w... Sigh lol
250w for browsing and video it's HUGE! No way
A huge part of that is your 48" screen. Turn down the brightness to 50%, turn down the refresh rate to 144hz. Then with your cpu, you need to look into lowering voltage, etc.
They are saying that ryzen 7000 CPU is a beast, could be equal to the 3050 GPU I wonder how much power you would be saving?
what's the cost 2 years later? With electricity sky rocketing?
it also depends on the game you are playing and the graphics settings, if you are playing yakuza, lol, rocket league... these games are not demanding. Let's try this, assume you are playing red dead redemption 2, Alane Wake 2, baldur's gate3or and bad optimized games, these games can cause your pc to shut down if you have a PSU below 450w, simply put gpu demand too much power
Thank you very much!
6:03 Me in Melbourne: So anyways... Welp XD
another great video! as always!!!
what a cool video and ways to show info like with the globe and the paper
you earend a sub
Well I guess I'll start turning my pc off when I go to sleep
Thanks for the video!
It was actually usefull and helpful!
9.39 ct/Kwh... Dang I wish... I am over here paying 51 ct€/Kwh
You can easily double these prices now.
At least in London.
great video. I def leave my computer on all the time, i run a server and a plex server off it as well. Really would like to see what my watts are being used.. nice Coverage though. really appreciate it!
In denmaek you wil pay over 1.3 dollars for 1 kWh
Feels confused and sicks now every releasing new vga card power consumption always increases and wastes electricity too, in the end just play consoles just dont care fps rate even upgrade too just have fun
it's insane how cheap the utility is in the states...in Germany I'm expecting 62 euro cents/kWh next year (already got the letter from utility company)
My computer has 12 hard drives, nvidia 1660, AMD thredripper 2950X and 1000w power supply. Using my solar scam monitoring software, it shows that I am using more power for my computer than my air conditioner. I'm upgrading to a 4090 and a 1300 watt power supply.
If I do this calculations for Denmark in q3-22 and put in my price converted to todays exchange rate, I would pay $143 for 280kwh and that is not specific to Denmark, and will go up coming months. - Maybe time to the same video but for current day pricing?
Why not just unplug the pc when not using it?
9.39 cents per KWH...that's so cheap, currently in the netherlands we might have to pay 70 cents per KWH cause of Russia, and it's nuts.
89 cents per kWh as of next month here (Netherlands as well)
After 5 years of using a laptop for everything except gaming, both my computers were free.
The average cost per kWh where I live is $0.27, up to $0.71/kWh during peak hours
Pls help : Fsp hexa 650W 80plus bronze enough for 12400+ Aorus 2070s + 8gbx2 3200. 8 fan led argb> pls advice me
? Thank you
Yes that should be enough.
I'm very confused with that calculation @ 4:50 . You were measuring the usage for 3h. So it's not 5.4 cent /(1 hour). it's 5.4 cent / (3 hour) = 1.8 cents/h
So the correct cost would be the latter, times by 365 days in a year. (converted to days, 24 h/day)
1.8cents/h * 365day * 24 h/day = $157.68 for 1 year.
This conflicts with the whole video, and no one else is saying anything so I assume it's me.
What am I missing here?
Edit: I think I might get it now, it was a mistake on your part, you were only every calculating 3h use times in this part of the video (3h of high usage cost) but for some reason in that section of the vid you bring up yearly, 365 days :/ and also call 19 DOLLARS, 19 cents lol. But I think the chart at the end of it all makes sense.
I meant to calculate 3hrs usage a day yearly.
The reason I brought up yearly to try and understand the annual.
@@TechIlliterate Yah i got it in the end, as i added in the "Edit:" section. The numbers seem correct in the end table.
My constructive criticism still stands though:
It's simply the math "etiquette", very poor in this video. Use units and the correct operation you are doing at the least. Not just writing a line then a new number lol. For example (given 0.765 kWh in 3h => 0.255 kWh/h . I do that so we have the standard conversion rate of 255 Wh/h to use)
Total cost = (0.255 Wh/h) * (0.07 $/(Wh) ) * (3h/day) * (365 days/1year) = $19.55 per year (@ 3h usage each day)
Even just having your units in there makes things much easier to understand (at least for people looking at the math part, if viewers blow past that and assume it's correct fair enough lol, I was calculating for my own computer as well)
Could then use that conversion to estimate a higher usage cost, say i play for 8h a day. Take the 255 Wh/h => $52.12 per year (@ 8h usage each day)
It's just so much more clear, but if you don't care fair enough 👍
and I'm here crying because I'm trying to build myself a DIY NAS with my old pc.
and NAS always run 24/7 😭😭
i7-7700T, RX5600XT, >150W.
PSU fan are disabled under 150W, so it never turns on.
LED TV, 165W. 🤣
The newer, more cutting edge processors, etc. use much more power than their older counterparts did. Overwhelmingly these newer components would be more energy efficient pound for pound, but because they have many more cores and such they are using noticeably more energy overall.
An example:
Intel i7-6700K 90-110 watts
Intel i7-13700K:125-253 watts
That is just one component example. Your CPU cooling choice will impact this also as liquid coolers necessarily use considerably more power than air as another example. When you add every component in a given rig together plus elaborate RGB lighting schemes on top of that you are consuming more and more energy than many previous generations of gaming PCs did.
It is rapidly becoming a paywalled money pit of a hobby.
Can someone answer my question please. I have a pc 600w psu on idle it spends around 150 on heavy gaming it spend max 250. I used a similar device as the one in this video. Spec are gtx 960 i5 11400. Is it normal to only spend that much?
Yeah. My GPU uses WAY more than a mid range card. That seems normal.
my pc is on 24/7 365 why ? because turning it on and off is more expensive and can damage your processor. leaving it on is way cheaper.
maybe using arch linux will make turning it on easier
what a bs... all my devices have no issues. And never had. I remove everything from electricity completely. Guys like you cry if the TV is damaged after holidays because you think it is better to leave it plugged in... completely waste of energy. Mind full of fear.
@@Da-iken bro calm down im just repeating what ive been told by people who build computers. why you mad at me?🤣🤣🤣
@@Batx00091 You posting bs without any sense. That´s it. Looks like people can´t take any critism anymore these days. Poor guy...
@@Da-iken ok troll bye bye
sad u dont even mention the PSU of a PC
wow. Thanks to our government here in Germany, we have with at least the highest kWh costs worldwide. That’s so stupid!
9 cents / kWh ? wtf, and it's 1 year old video?
google say now it's 23cent/kWh, in the US, the average energy price, still super cheap
where I live Ireland, it's .44 euro cents (about 48cents in USD)
My last 2 month bill was €438 (luckily government pays €200 compensation).
That is 1 computer (running all day, work from home), 2 other computer, one runs sometimes for few hours my brother plays, on weekends.. Diablo, the other one just used for like googling/facebook/poker few hours a week.
Our fridge/freezer/water (tank) heater. Lights, and normal stuff, electric cooker, one air purifier, 1 UV fly trap... modem, router.. general stuff.
We used 1250 kWh in 2 months (I found it a bit high, we need to look around what is using a lot).
Yup I think its been raised slightly here. Now average 11c/kWh CAD (7.4 euro cents). Probably the cheapest in North America, maybe even the developed world. In BC we aren't dependant on external factors for the most part. Having mountains and hydro electric dams is a thing of beauty.
I hope it gets better for you soon.
39p (UK) KwH
Yeah so London rn would be… 150£ a year with current costs… fml
Saving electricity is my hobby
This channel is underrated. Good work dude 👍
my pc doesn't like to sleep, i come back to it being non responsive, crashed or unuseable, so sleep and hybernate are off the table, but when i know im going to be away from it i turn it off, but i know many people that just leave it on all day and night and spend maybe a couple of hours a day actually using it while the rest of the time it's sitting there running, warmed up, and ready to go, im sure there is a bot net that just loves their computer.
PC master race be like^
Loving this content man. Personally I run a 5800x with a 6800xt and i turn my PC off every time I'm done using it for this reason. i want to know what's the reason of leaving a computer idling ? For quick access really ? Get your self ssds the boot process is so much quicker use it and turn it off !
I always turn my pc of for the night I never got why people leave it on it don't take long to turn on
It's 15-20 seconds vs instant.
How fast can you have your system booted and ready to use (in stand by state, all stuff loaded and idle) ?
@@armschoolc32 wait a second are you seriously complaining about 15- 20 seconds and trying to start an argument just so you can tickle your balls over saving some energy yearly ? ... pathetic
@@armschoolc32 well ?
Honestly.. I love efficiency and there is another hidden cost in using a PC. Wear and tear.. using a PC invariably over long periods of time will eventually see a failure somewhere. Might be as simple as a fan dying or a drive giving up etc. My high end gaming PC with multi-monitor setup I realized was total overkill for just relaxing, browsing the web, chatting on discord, watching youtube videos etc. A great alternative, is.. using a Raspberry PI 4b. A $50-$70 single board computer. It can easily do all of those things for around 0.2W per hour.. basically for almost no cost. When I don't need all the capabilities of a big gaming rig, I can turn it off.. and switch to the PI. Silent and super efficient.
Same reason why I got a Thinkcentre Tiny for $30.
turning you PC off and on all the time will induce more chance for failures.
It is worse for your computer turning it on and off, I leave my PC on forever and I have components that are there for a decade. I do this for more than a decade and the components that I experienced failure were the really bad ones (due to a fabrication problem or something), fact is that it is more likely you gonna despise your good components before its stops working.
I know it sounds stupid leaving PC on forever but I got my means for doing this and here we have clean energy.
@@gutexp May well be worse for your computer but generally in life I hate wasting stuff including energy, water and gas. I also use Sleep, Hibernate and Turn Off all the time and my PCs are fine. I even turn off my home built TrueNas server if I don't use for an extended period of time LOL. But I understand your point.
@@Ludak021 This old chestnut have any scientifically obtained proof? Genuine curiousity here, I want to avoid the energy pollution costs of manufacturing new parts, not just the energy used on my end.
This isn't the 90s where all PSUs were cheap junk which sent sudden 5V and 12V jolts to shitty capacitors in underdesigned filter circuits. Most chips run on 3.3V or even 1.5V input now.
SSDs use a shockingly high about of electricity compared to spinning rust (as I found out when deciding on my laptop's m.2 vs SATA), but they also don't have the initial load spike on power up, and no mechanical wear from spin-up/down.
I suppose there's also a factor of modern CPUs, drivers, and OS ability to send components into lower-power states during idle that wasn't a thing back in the 90s and 00s, either, so that further complicates the question on the "leaving it on" side.
Thanks for this information, this is not easy to find. I wish I had this kind of data when I lived with my father and he complained that the computer was making the power bill skyrocket (while he usually fell asleep with his CRT TV on all night until I noticed at 4-5am, and now THAT'S a power hungry device).
Some CRT TVs have a timer. I have 2 that have it. You can choose 30 min, 1 h 2 h, 3 h and it will autoshutdown.
@@louistournas120 IKR. But my father never used it.
I remember I used both the timer and the alarm function son my TV as a kid.
your dad is a good fella
The list at 7:00 makes me so mad as a German. Seems like we're a small island because our great politicians are brain dead since 2000.
How can you have this high Energie costs and still try to be a leading industrial country. Same with fuel and pretty much anything else.
I have heard that they plan to turn that around with Nuclear. Maybe I heard wrong.
Thanks for the informative video and love from Turkey, I generally idle my computer between lunch times because I'm lazy but now I will know better!
As a foot note, leaving your computer on idle while on the main menu of a game you paused will passively strain your system just the same as when you're gaming and it will be much worse to leave it idling like that. In most main menus the game is still being rendered on the background as evident by the heat and the fan noise that comes from your computer. The heat will make your thermal paste go dry with time(causing thermal throttles on CPU, worse performance on GPU) and the electricity wasted will double. So, don't do what I used to do; which is leaving the game open and doing something else, just save, quit and turn off your computer. Your computer will thank you :)
On the game menu, the CPU usage should be very low since there is no need to run the game logic and physics.
Also, to reduce GPU usage, turn on vsync.
If you pause the game, the game might suspend the game logic and physics as well. Some games render the background and render the menu on top as a semi-transparent thing which means work for the GPU.
@@louistournas120 Yes. Though I don't use VSync because it limits FPS to 60, I use a high refresh monitor. In that case I limit my FPS to my monitor refresh rate using RivaTuner. Uncapped frame rates will cause more work for GPU and will result in coil whine noise, will reduce longevity of GPU thermal paste condition as well as more energy waste. Good points on game logic not working on background but most games will also have memory leak issues so after you come again in an hour or so, game will be more laggy.
Nvidia needs to get their stuff in order. in Germany and many other EU countries power costs >35 USD cents per KwH. Real money. My 1660 Super alone consumes 15-20 watt just idling on the desktop- so i pay over $50 for the privilige of having a DGPU. My Ryzen 5700G entire system with 32 Gigs, 3 SSDs and APU costs only 25-30 watts Idling, the card almost DOUBLES that. NVIDIA needs stop wasting power, there is NO REASON these cards suck up this much wattage just sitting around. I'm sure if you pull out that 3090 you will halve your idle draw as well.
That's pretty terrible price damn. For me it costs currently a bit over 13 €cents/kwh. My pc with 3600x and 5700xt pulls 95w at idle. Could be lower but i find it acceptable imo.
@@imrileth6618 A large part of Europe has these prices, now... and it can get worse.
If it makes you feel any better my 7800xt uses an insane 60W to just idle.
Here in Mexico City, if you go past 125 KWh per month, you get reclassified to a different rate, which costs 5 times more per KWh.
For 125 KWh, you can expect to pay about 5 USD per month, but if you get reclassified, it goes up to 150 USD per month.
So much for owning a Gamer PC here… Fuck Latin America.
Thats 4kWh per day. If you have a job I dont think you are at risk of being reclassified with any kind of PC.
With NVME drives that boot up in under 15 seconds, there are very few reason to leave a computer on when not in use. Great video.
Except the power on/off phase is the most stressful part for electronics. Orders of magnitude higher in stress. Has been since the beginning.
Honestly? I think it's much cheaper to replace a PSU than to leave a PC idling. And what about sleep mode?
@@Krzeszny1995PL The PSU isn''t the only part affected, the entire system is. Jayztwocents has a video showing CPU voltage spiking to 1.5+ volts on startup and other things also experience similar spikes. From the hardware's perspective, sleep mode isn't much different, the only difference is the RAM stays powered and uses a few watts since it would lose its data otherwise. These power cycles aren't much of a problem in the short term, but when you keep your stuff for many years like I do (I'm still using a Core 2 Quad from 16 years ago in one of my systems), it's worth considering.
Powerefficiency actually should be a standard Bios-Feature.
Love the video!
I actually just used one of your other videos to under-volt my graphics card, I'm only rocking a 1660 Super, but I cut the wattage down nearly 40%, and my temps down by 30% while only losing like 6% of my FPS.
I still hate how much energy desktops use compared to a laptop for just browsing the web/simple document work. My desktop still uses about 48-70 watts vs my laptop using about 10-20 watts for those simple activities. I wonder why desktops can't go into some super high energy-efficiency mode when you're doing stuff that doesn't stress the system at all?
You make a good point. Something I have wondered as well. I am going to look into it. :)
hey im also rocking a 1660s, i cant wait to try it my self.
My pc uses 130w at idle haha
If you have a gaming laptop it will use an extremely complicated method of switching video processing from your GPU to the more efficient on board video. This is a massive PITA to deal with but it is more efficient. Desktops don't do this, they're always using your GPU, which just uses more power as a baseline, even if you're undervolting. One thing you CAN do is tell Windows not to use your Hardware Acceleration for certain applications on your PC. I think this is under the Gaming settings on Win11. This means the GPU will stay idle instead of consuming more power.
The other option is of course to use a SOC that combines graphics and CPU on one chip. AMD calls these "APUs." It is much slower for gaming but still usable, and more power (and of course cost) efficient. In this case you use the video outputs on your motherboard instead of a separate GPU.
More youtubers should repost this video!!! That will make a huge difference in global warming if everyone just turned off the pc when not in use!
subbed. im seeing a lot of high end pcs being built with no consideration for power usage, i would much rather see a build that is powerful and energy efficient
Try "Wolfgangs channel" he recently had video about power efficient server. But you likely want a compromise if you want a PC and you are not ok with a tablet. I have PC on for a long time (home office, games, ...) and I'd say it costs like 20$ per month (price doubled in last year where i live due to war in Ukraine and expensive natural gas - actually price tripled, but half of the price used to be distribution fee ... hell with included taxes, Czech Republic reached Solomon island prices)
Thanks for this. Quality content right there. Did you see Germany as #10 on the list of most expensive countries. Just small island nations are more expensive 🤔
I know this. We are shutting down nuclear power plants, just so we can buy nuclear power from France and Finland. It‘s stupid.
I live in Germany :(
Paying fines for all those coalpower plants is not cheap.
Power bills gone up in the UK and i rent. Im working from home and we're trying to keep the bills down.
I do have another housemate but im not sure how much of the energy bill i should feel bad about - theres probably a biased because im home most of the day.
I will have to get one of these!
It would be interesting to compare cost now we have a global energy crisis. Here in London for example costs can be 5X higher!
......do most of your general computing on a NUC :)
I also advise running everything from a power strip with individually switched sockets. Turn off chargers, power bricks etc when not in use.
3h a day is unrealistic - try 10hrs or longer
Yeah I suspect I would probably be in the 6H territory. Tried to keep it modest.
God forbid you talk about efficiency with AMD CPU and the most expensive and power hungry Nvidia GPU, even if you pay several hundreds USD for power annually this is not an issue for you and the build is neither cost effective nor power optimized.
Meanwhile here in the Netherlands, our electrical price is about €0,70 per Kwh... 😢
Son, was are you talking about? Germany has highest el. price and it is 41 cents per kWh? WAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SON???
@@JohnBobb 41 cents? I wish I had that at the moment.
Fun fact. In places where it is extreme cold. People leave their cars running so their car doesn’t freeze up. You might see this taking place in northern territories.
Yes I used to live in Northern Canada. Usually a block heater was enough...usually.
Use battery products rather then direct power products
Like laptop instead of computer.
why would anyone leave the pc on??? with ssd's it takes like 30 seconds to boot.
I am in BC as well. But I am using an AMD 3200G APU. No discrete GPU, so I just sip power. So my yearly cost for computer use is probably what I would pay for one beer in a nightclub.
Any Update? We need new calculations with new price for KWh. In Poland we have about $0,40/KWH and we are not a Island :-) And I can say more, companys witout private bills have to paid araound 0.80USD/1KWH
i do keep mine on 24/7 dual monitor 800w 12th gen
I wonder if someone measured how much PC uses when turned OFF (it's not 0, believe me).
I use a modest gaming pc when gaming, and when working, browsing the web and doing other basic computing tasks I use an Intel NUC! I also leave the NUC powered on for roughly 12 hours per day as it has Sonarr and Radarr installed on it, as I want to ensure it downloads all the latest releases.
The NUC uses between 5-10 watts when idle and between 10-20 watts under load!
For comparison, my gaming pc uses roughly 150 watts under load when gaming and about 40 watts when idle.
What specs do you have? Just out of curiosity.
I have data recorded every 5 seconds for a year showing my office, bedroom and living room PC usages. Having that data over the year saved me 25% on my electric bill.
Gamers in particular need to pay more attention to the wattage and start to see it as a "bad" thing.
My PC idles at 95-115W. Very similar spec to yours.
However. Running a game in full 4k with default settings and no VSync will immediately raise that to 550-600W. However, if I go and enable VSync that drops under 400W. Lower the res to 1440P and all the fans stop and it comes down to 320W.
When I run "3DMark" Benchmarks like Time Spy. I can see each phase of the test on the mains power chart.
I got so upset with this, I spend £3000 buying solar panels, batteries and an inverter to solar power the whole thing. Now I can game "guilt" free AND save on electric bill.
Interesting, how much does that equate to as watts used? If I was to buy an inverter what size would I need to run a rig like yours in gaming mode for 3 hrs? Any advice appreciated.
If i was to use PC - it is using like , 1 KWH every 3 hours or so. A KWH is now 37 cents.
I use for 3-9 hours. So i could use about call it a buck 10 a day.
My Gaming PC costs me 300 dollars a year to use with this calculation.
What's your spec
Monitor has its own power supply, or not?
meanwhile in germany, 32 cents / kWh