I can attest to the fact that when Dawid switched out these PCs, our apartment genuinely cooled down by a noticeable difference. It was wild. Kinda like having an oven on. Warms up everything just a little too much.
My wife always gives out about my PC making the room stuffy. I recently decided to make some hardware changes, unlike David I chose violence. I'm getting a 7900XTX.....we're going to be cooking soon. Can't wait to surprise the wife. I will forever more have game with the windows open 😂
I honestly love efficient PCs more than super powerful ones. Limited my CPU to 3.9GHz all core instead of 4.1 and went from 75W to 60W peak power draw. That's 95% of the performance for 80% of the power draw!
Radeon has a setting called Power Saving and also Radeon Chill that I use during the summer, and Ryzen has Eco mode. Both work pretty well to keep the high end hardware under control.
@@essexboyYou got it figured out? Maybe look into undervolting. 5600x also heat up with most stock BIOSes, so with undervolting You can gain performance and lower temperature. I went from like 85C to ~72C.
I don't think you are exactly sane. If you like the noise Dawid makes when he flips the power switch on the power supply, you need to 1)Buy a be quiet! *DARK* POWER PRO 13 2)Buy a Dawid
This is a pretty damn great vid. Chasing efficiency when building PCs should become more of a trend rather than going with the samey and boring balls to the walls configs. Very fun and you made me consider more this facet when I am gonna build my next PC
I bought a 1660 Super in early 2020 because it was the most efficient GPU at the time. It still shows up in efficiency charts, though only impressive today for the low idle power draw.
It has been a thing for ages. Maybe it's more of a European thing for the average single gamer PC setup because electricity costs more over there but as someone who does IT for a living TCO has been a part of building clients and servers for a long time. Homelabbers also generally care a lot more about this kind of thing for somewhat obvious reasons. The thing I'd have liked to have seen would have been a comparison of the original PC with undervolt tweaking to see how much less power that system could have used compared to the difference in performance as well as the difference with the new setup for a more fair before and after.
I think the difference efficiency makes when idling and gaming is massively underrated, so I'm really glad to see you exploring this so publicly! I'm in a household with four, regularly used, computers. For work, play etc they are very carefully balanced between performance and efficiency. I built them this way specifically with our electricity bill in mind! We have a art/work computer, two light gaming rigs for our two kids, and a gaming system for myself. All together at 100% utilisation all four systems would only just manage to use more wattage than a 4k gaming system, coming in at 700w combined, which is honestly kind of mind blowing. Thank goodness you're making that switch to efficiency, for your own sake and Anna's!
Good job. One of the more interesting build videos I've seen. I myself tend to forget about power draw and temperature when considering parts but now that I've seen this I'll make sure to reconsider. 👍
Thank you, watching again to see that sweet setup. The VR is a nice idea though... For future things perhaps. Maybe if you go abroad to buy another PC or something? :)
I have just upgraded my 2600x AMD Rx480 to 5950x AMD 6700x . Full load is the same on CPU Cuz b350 has a max socket power draw around 150 and gpu is Less, Rx480 pulled 230 with an 8pin. But Performance is way bigger , definetly Waiting 3 years of stutters in Wow and Lol Worth It Now . LOVE ur clips man !
Makes the 15-25w in gaming handhelds(steamdeck and such) even more impressive given their performance. Would be interesting to see some direct comparisons.
Does it though? He is gaming at 1440p high while the handhelds mostly play AAA games at 720p often low settings. At those settings the desktop doesent use much power either.
Much better. Trying to scroll around the "3D" video ball was certainly entertaining, but also terribly frustrating from a viewing standpoint, as everything not near center was terribly distorted. XD
You and Brian seem to be the only ones that try to be practical about finding a sweet spot and not just the latest and greatest. Similar performance, but cheaper or more efficient makes more sense than a huge electricity bill.
@DawidDoesTechStuff Effeciency is pretty good, there. But, what if building a system is not an option? It would be fun to see if that 11900K could be detoasterified.
The only system i have looked at that draw anything like it was a system i was looking at for at home AI processing. To reduce my times for training from a week to a day and AI generated content from minutes to seconds. Why AI? Well AI is the new big thing so have to learn how to use it to be competitive in the job market. Still the price tag of around 4500USD to 6000USD is a price that is hard to swallow for a system that will also raise the power bill even when idle and generate a lot of heat when at 100% loads which will go on then off then on then off as AI gen is not a consistent load but on then off kind of then. Gaming probably is nicer to consumer hardware then AI software.
Man I stumbled across this channel like two days ago and this is like the third time one of your videos pops up, now I have no choice but to subscribe. Thanks alot...
After seeing this video yesterday, I put my Ryzen 9 5900x in the 65W eco mode and was incredibly impressed! Performance at 1440p stayed basically the same, but the CPU temp ranged from 65-69C and maxed out at 71C with my Corsair H100i Elite Capellix AIO under load (The Division 2 maxed settings @ 2hr of gameplay). I also undervolted my RTX 3080 SeaHawk to 875mv @ 1895Mhz and it also sat around 50-55C while giving me imperceivable performance differences in gaming. Now my PC is running MUCH cooler and takes a fraction of the power it used to...it's actually insane how inefficient CPU/GPUs run from stock despite their actually impressive efficiency capabilities when given proper limits to extract the best performance at the least cost - thank you so much for this video!
it makes total sense if the gpu wasnt capable of maintaining the clocks consistently. companies push high clock speeds for marketing even if its not practical. gaming for hours needs consistent speed to hit your target framerate having a high boost clock wont help if the card gasses out and slows down because its going to look like youre getting stutters which means you would probably want to turn down settings anyway for a better experience.
@@jebreggie4225 I have a 6700 XT and it actually performs better when I drop the power target to -6% and lower the core voltage just a little bit. Or, I can just ramp the fans up a little bit. Both have the same effect.
@@AliceC993 means its doing good generally these gpu have higher power targets and clocks to become first in benchmarks etc resulting in heat and lot of power draw . undervolting is a very under rated trick to lower temps without performance loss but only to a certain point lmao
@@akshatsingh9830 Yeah, my card is very picky about how far you can undervolt it; at stock clocks (2581 boost) it doesn't accept anything less than a 20 mV under without artifacting, but HWinfo says that actually results in about 1.14 V at the GPU instead of 1.18 (stock is 1.2). If I drop the boost clocks to ~2400 it'll go all the way down to 1.1v without issue.
@@AliceC993 i undervolted my 3070 to 950mV while raising the clocks to 1960mhz, but then i decided to go the extra mile and drop it all the way to 850mV, dropping the clock to 1860mhz, i lost an average of 3~5 fps in gpu bound games, but the power draw and temperatures were a massive success. the game i play withe the biggest power draw is divison 2 and that went from 260w to 180w (i have an aorus master with raised tdp) and the temps barely break the 55º ehrn before it reached 70 something
Went from a 980 Ti (~220W while gaming) to a 4060 (~115W) while gaming. With a power cap on the processor it’s a night and day difference on ambient temperatures while seeing double the performance. Guess going from 28nm to 5nm will do that.
People on RUclips like to hate on the RTX 4060 and 4060 ti, but one thing they really have going for them is they produce a lot less heat than the RTX 3060 ti.
@@1O1O11 That efficiency is a lie - Nvidia have been selling gamers the worst binned dies off their production lines for a while now so they can sell the good stuff to data centres and laptop manufacturers. Nvidia always could have sold us a 3060Ti with half the power consumption but that would have ruined their market segmentation and pricing ambitions.
@@trikop7575 equal in price to a 7600/3060, my region doesn’t have the fire sale 6700/XT/50XT, so price/perf wasn’t that much better moving up a tier. Instead got a a cheap 2TB 4.0 drive for a few dollars more than the upgrade would’ve cost me.
i have a 5700x with a 4070, the powerdraw to performance ratio is insane. i upgraded a few months ago, before that i was using a ryzen 3600 with the rtx 3060 12gb. after the upgrade the powerdraw was nearly similar, while the performance drastically increased. an upgrade path i totally recommend btw
@@Cris-P-Bacon i kept the same 500 watt psu, because it was only 18 months old and i do not do any overclocking. Although i would recommend 550 or 600 watts to have a bit more margin :)
@@Cris-P-Bacon your psu will be fine :) The 3600 will definitely become a bottleneck though, it wont be able to feed the 4070 enough data to get the most out of it. (It even bottlenecked my rtx 3060 in some games, i have some benchmarks on my channel) Going up to a Ryzen 5600 (should be plug&play) will be sufficient, however if you also do some video editing or want some '8 core bragging rights' (lol) the 5700x is perfect. Enjoy the 4070 :D
Good to see that you found a more power efficient system and made even more power efficient by undervolting it. Also the 4070 has the same amount of vRAM or 2gb more of vRAM depending on what version of the 3080 you have. LOL you should use your 11900K system in the winter as a space heater.
this is why i dont usually buy the top end. its a matter of diminishing returns. youll get 10% more performance for 200% the cost and 300% the power draw. i dont buy cheap by any means, but 1 or 2 steps down from the top end usually nets far better results and means you can upgrade sooner rather than holding on for dear life to the thing that cost more than the modern parts to replace it.
Aww man, I found this channel back when you were installing the EVGA Hybrid kit on that 3080. RIP to the VGA part of EVGA. I have an EVGA 3090 I got 2nd hand and while it sucks back power if left at stock settings, I can't bring myself to let it go any time soon, let alone for a downgrade in VRAM capacity. In this summer heat I just drop the power slider down to 85% and barely notice the difference in performance. During the winter I max that thing out and stay nice and comfy.
@@ZAND4TSU yes. It can be bit optimistic and if you do a 24h prime 95 / y cruncher burn in, it might throw the odd error - just use the offset button to bring the voltage back up a notch. IMPORTANT - after you find the settings that work with Ryzen Master (it's AMD's 1st party tuning software) - put them in the BIOS, or you will lose them when you reboot/power down. (Unless you set Ryzen Master to fire up every time.)
@@ZAND4TSU Undervolting the CPU with Ryzen Master will drop the Volt on a per core basis, so that it does not draw more power than it needs to function safely.Less Volt equals less wattage being used for the same operation, and it is safe as the only thing that could possibly go wrong is instability under load, which is easy to recover from. On my 5900X the voltage is dropped significantly, less powerdraw and typical temp under load 60-65C, would definitly recommend trying it.
That's fair, but I think that's kind of the tradeoff. It uses power, but offers a better cooling solution because there's less airflow potential in the smaller case where you'd be space limited for a larger tower block. There also doesn't seem to be a rear exhaust fan so this would offer a better compromise between cooling and space in a small system.
You don't need to build a new system. Just set PL1 on the CPU in the bios to something more reasonable like 85watt, and set the power target on the GPU a bit lower in Afterburner. You can take it further and undervolt both.
Really enjoyed watching this video! There is one more thing though that has the highest potential to save power: Limit FPS to reasonable amounts. When taking BF as an example: 120FPS should be plenty for 99% of players. I bet that would cut the power draw from 260W to around 200W.
I was expecting a 7800x3d, or 5800x3d, but that's fine also. Generally, the 4070 should be faster at FHD, equal at WQHD and slower at 4k compared to the 3080.
@@thejaegerbomber99 according to TechpowerUps' 4070 Founders Edition launch review (April 2023), the 3080ti was "only" 6% faster at 1080p than the 4070, so it's quite possible that with 3 months of driver development, it is now almost equal. Though, at 1440p, the 3080ti was 11%, and at 4k 19% faster, and those gaps are too much to make up with driver updates.
@@mikeycrackson and you SEEM to think I was expecting x3d CPUs because of their performance, not knowing that the (at least the 8-core) V-cache CPUs are actually very very efficient, especially the 7800x3d...
@@bootchoo96 the 4070 isn't a top card by any means. If you were talking about the 4080 or 4090, I'd believe you, but the 4070 is an upper mid-range graphics card.
I have a similar setup just beefier, meshlicous with a Founders 4080 and a 7700x with PBO tuning, all air cooled with intake 140mm fans and it is whisper quiet, with exceptional temps. ITX builds can accomplish a lot if properly planned!
I'm just wondering if the PC runs stable. I see B550-I is used together with an RTX 4000 series GPU. A lot of people sees instability and crashing with this combination and Asus is not going to fix that
Where Dawid lives, barely a difference. Average the two different stages of power consumption, it comes out to $0.10 USD/KWH. Now, if you’re in a country where it’s $0.4 or more, than you could see some noticeable savings.
250w = 1 dollar per 20h of gaming at 20cent a kilowatt. Given that you don't spend your money elsewhere when gaming, it's free realestate. Skip going to see barbie the movie and you can play 200h. People are overblowing the 40 series efficiency. The only tangible good side is temperature and noise if the card is overbuilt.
@@PyromancerRift the way I also see it is if you have the disposable income to be buying 3080/4080/3090/4090 cards, the extra $50-100 on the high end per year in costs with be almost unnoticeable in your general budget. If we’re talking the low end, then turning on the kettle one less time gains you back those couple hours of gaming time. Edit: some hard numbers - the difference between a 4060 and a 4090, gaming at SIX hours everyday, is $20 a month at 0.40/kWh. If you’re unable to eat that difference in power usage and your budget, why are you even splurging for a 4090 to begin with?
@PyromancerRift 250 watts at 4 hours per day where I live is $6 per month. Around $70 per year. In the warm months that also means running the ac less as well. Stretched over a few years you save yourself a few hundred bucks. People forget about the increased cost of cooling your pc room. I had to run the ac in the late fall just to keep my pc room cool.
This was a breath of fresh air. I loved the comparison. It was shocking to see how undervolting made a significant increase in performance all while drawing less power. I loved this.
I like this kind of review, I don't think I have seen anyone else do it. I would like to see say an all AMD GPU, and a newer Intel CPU to see what they do under the same conditions.
Thank you for the reupload. I feel like i lost most of the content on the first video and it seems that i was right. I didn't see half of the stuff appearing on screen :) After rewatching, just want to say that the power efficiency seems to be worth the higher prices of the new gpu's, but only if you live in a hot climat place or if the electricity is realy expensive. In my country the prices are somewhat affordable for a 4070,, though i will stick for now with my 3080. I don't want to upgrade yet. Maybe the next generation.
5800x3d - this is what your cpu should be, you went crazy on the best of build, pulls less when gaming and way better gaming cpu. 4070 good choice. nice informative video
@@jesusbarrera6916 Median depends on what you are doing with the CPU at any given time. It is a pointless measurement if you want to find out which CPU will use the most power over time.
Yup I went through this myself last year when I built my new system. My old rig was a 9900K & MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X (420W card). The CPU usually stayed under 100W but that 4080 would chug down ~400+W without batting an eyelid if you didn't undervolt it. My new system is a i7-13700K & Nvidia RTX 4080.. both undervolted and it really just sips power now compared to my old setup. I wish I recorded before/after power readings with it as it was a pretty nice improvement. My old PC would heat up my room in the summer months to 78-80F (25.5-26.5C). My new system typically my room won't get hotter than 74-75F (~23C) now which is a ton more comfortable.
Great video and something which is overlooked then building a gaming pc, power usage is also something to consider and to factor I’be hen building. This just goes to show how much power and money you can save but just a couple to configuration changes.
I usually build midrange PCs, as that's what I can afford. My most insane build in the wattage department was an FX 4100 with 1.5v/4.5GHz OC and an R9 290x with full power cap. It could hard-trip my UPS at north of 650w wall power, which was my best power measuring implement at the time. Likely 700w. Gaming loads were usually closer to 600w. Still made the 750w PSU sweat to keep everything powered. Sadly a mechanical pencil lead fell into the top air vent and landed directly onto the back of the GPU die among all those SMD capacitors and exploded the graphics card in spectacular fashion. Turns out that PSU's SCP works! I sometimes wonder how much more I could have gotten out of it had I not murdered it, as it was also demonstrating graphical artifacting, with flickering squares dancing around in the shadows in some games (Witcher 3 being the most notable). After all, large-die GPUs are intrinsically less reliable. My current era PCs are a lot more reasonable. I haven't wall tested my cube PC (RX 570, 2700X), but my outgoing daily driver (3600, GTX 1080) averaged 300w gaming load and could sniff IIRC 450w under power virus torture. The PC that replaced it (6950xt, 5800x3D) typically bounces around the 520w range under heavy gaming load. Definite space heater. Fun fact! It inherited the exact same "battle hardened" Antec TruPower Classic 750 as the *last* insane high power PC had!
great video. for the same reason (my flat is directly under the roof, hot). i recently downgraded from 5800x to 5700G. and oh boy, what a difference. i disabled PBO, and set it ti 4.0 GHz at 1.13V. still 13k cinebench r23 multicore, while only sipping 60Watts. Playing Fallout76 (1440ü 120fps cap) just requires freaking 18 Watts!!! In contrast the 5800x with PBO enabled pulled 80 Watts (200% more) in Fallout76, while only delivering around 10%-20% more fps paired with my 1080 TI. Another benefit almost noone speaks about, the iGPU with hybrid graphics. Everyone seems to know it when its about laptops, but none thinks about it when desktops are concerend. And it does work flawlessly... connect displays to the MB, so ur GPU goes fully idle while wokring, and when gaming the dGPU starts to wake up. havend noticed any performance loss due to the passthrough of the signal through the MB
I live in the desert and it's been 104-109 for the last few weeks. My PC raises my room temps enough to where I find myself sweating in my seat some times! It did save me during the snowpocolypse a couple years ago in Texas, though.
Good job Dawid! However personally I would have undervolted the CPU with PBO2 via a negative core offset. However I do believe your 45W Eco-mode is dropping a lot more power than PBO2 can.
You missed one additional control in the whole deal that would have really confirmed the difference: how much the room would go up with just the monitor and such turned on and all PCs out of the room. My guess is if it is more than say 25-28C outside, your ambient temp in the room with the AC off would have gone from 20.5 to probably 22. So the "new" system would contribute 1.5 degrees, and the old system nearly 3. That difference is so much more significant when you put it in those terms. In money terms, it's also super important: If you game all day (say a nice 10 hour session) you would use both the higher amount of power (200 watts between the systems) AND whatever additional power the AC would be pulling to try to keep the room temp in check. Depending on how close to mafia pricing your local utilities use, that could just about pay for your new system in a relatively short amount of time - and you could sell the power hungry system to someone who is "in the family" and might not have to pay the power mafia off.
For gaming, eco mode is all I need for my 5600X. 65-70W at most and no difference vs the 90W AMD stock PBO did and less hassle than curve optimizer. Efficiency, if the goal vs ultimate performance, means less heat and more battery life for handhelds. Super excited for the mini PCs to start taking over the ITX builds. Feels to me like ITX will become similar to custom water cooling-those who want to will do it, but not that much better than a stock mini PC.
Great vid on how you can run things like eco-mode on Ryzen and undervolt GPUs to not only lower power draw but reduce temp output changing ambiet temp. Personally running a 5800X in eco-mode and 6700 XT undervolted in a Meshlicious. Love it.
550W is about standard for most everyday computers over the last 15 years so I don't know why it's a problem.. I mean my old mid 90's 486DX4 100mhz had a 300W PSU my Pentium 4 pre built Dell had a 450W PSU witch I harvested as a car battery to run my 3x amps 2x subs 2 6"x9" and 2x 6" coaxial and 2x dome tweeters I built into a home stereo system because it sounds better than than most over the counter hi-fi systems.. witch all run off that old 450W PSU so a newer AMD/NVIDIA GPU and AMD/Intel CPU package with RGB and ram and NVME drive and spinning HDD 550W is pretty much standard equipment.
Hi Dawid, great content as ever, my only gripe is the orientation of your 240 aio, please flip it do the tubes are higher than your pump, could help the lifespan of the aio😊
My 3080 used to heat my room up something terrible too! Having recently switched to a 4080 thanks to a bonus from work, my room stays cooler and there's way less noise from the system as a whole. It tends to draw around 275w under usual circumstances and sometimes creeps up to 300w for brief moments if I'm really pushing it. My 3080 used to sit at 320w at least in most circumstances and the extra wattage does make a difference to ambient temperature especially over longer periods of time.
This was an awesome example of planning something out, executing, and seeing a real difference. Great video! Amazed that there was such a small form factor 4070.
How can you make pc stuff so fun to watch, after building for years I thought my time liking this stuff was over, but you have made it fresh again. Heat issue a low watt laptop board can do very well, I sit mine nest to my AC so it vents it right away.
Maybe I'm crazy but I live without AC in an area where summers are like 80% humidity and 38 C in shade and I still game in a small room with terrible airflow. I just got used to it since I was a kid.
I love your videos in general, and I definitely watch whenever one comes up. In this case though, I was with you until you put the 240mm AIO on the 65w cpu in search of efficiency. Any chance you would do a video on a decent cheap tower cooler vs AIO on these low power 65w chips?
An ITX build is very much not a great idea, because the motherboards are usually less power efficient, there's a lot less room for cooling, and usually you can put a lot less stuff inside when it comes to like hard drives, PCI cards etc...
Hi! As someone who has owned a meshlicious for over a year now, I have a 280mm radiator in mine and i routed the tubes by removing the spin of the case and then routing the tubes from underneath like that. to make more room for the psu and GPU.
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Not VR anymore! Rest assured, appropriate corporal punishment will be administered to the responsible party.
Thanks Dawid I didn't have a VR headset
@@togiisuperheavytank Neither do I. :P
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I was debating using my phone but my vr insert is terrible.
how's your butt doing Dawid? after the corporal punishment and all
I was going crazy trying to find the setting I changed when my phone was in my pocket.
I can attest to the fact that when Dawid switched out these PCs, our apartment genuinely cooled down by a noticeable difference. It was wild. Kinda like having an oven on. Warms up everything just a little too much.
You could use the older pc as an oven
One of those situations where "warming sensation" isn't good
Watching the video I had to wonder what the temperature was like inside the PC's cases too.
My wife always gives out about my PC making the room stuffy. I recently decided to make some hardware changes, unlike David I chose violence. I'm getting a 7900XTX.....we're going to be cooking soon. Can't wait to surprise the wife. I will forever more have game with the windows open 😂
Damn😆😆
Watched the original upload in 360. Definitely enjoyed seeing distorted Dawid's face.
Lol! It wasn't that long ago that 360 was THE standard lol.
@@KyleRuggles I don't think they mean 360p.
that got me some great nightmare-ish screenchots
It's Dawid BTW.
@@KyleRuggles Not 360p but 360 degrees. It looks in the OG video that Dawid recorded himself using a 360 degree camera or using VR.
I honestly love efficient PCs more than super powerful ones. Limited my CPU to 3.9GHz all core instead of 4.1 and went from 75W to 60W peak power draw.
That's 95% of the performance for 80% of the power draw!
Distorted Dawid will be forever etched into my brain.
Pinhead Dawid is stuck in mine.
He looked like the slimes from dragon quest
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Dawid ASMR ftw...
+1
This is about the only channel I don't skip through his in-video ad even that is well written and enjoyable to watch 😂😂
I love how previous upload matched the theme of "stupid".
i saw the original video and thought it was just part of the bit for the first minute or so
Radeon has a setting called Power Saving and also Radeon Chill that I use during the summer, and Ryzen has Eco mode. Both work pretty well to keep the high end hardware under control.
Chill is awesome, it dynamically limits your framerate depending on your keyboard and mouse inputs, when it's set up correctly it's unnoticeable.
@@stoneymahoney9106 Yup and it works wonder when in game framerate limit does not work (like valheim or dyson sphere program)
I've a Ryzen 5900x running a powercolor red devil 6750xt , I have it in eco mode because even with a nxzt water cooler aio it was hitting 85-90c
@@essexboyYou got it figured out? Maybe look into undervolting. 5600x also heat up with most stock BIOSes, so with undervolting You can gain performance and lower temperature. I went from like 85C to ~72C.
the noises Dawid makes when he flips the power switch on the power supply sure does make me wanna buy it even more
i spec'd my next pc with one of those psus. now i REALLY wanna get one
Yea, that made me clicked the amazon link indeed. I closed that browser tab in a nanosec once I got a glimpse of that pricetag
I don't think you are exactly sane.
If you like the noise Dawid makes when he flips the power switch on the power supply, you need to
1)Buy a be quiet! *DARK* POWER PRO 13
2)Buy a Dawid
I have this PSU and it's every bit as hot as he sells it...
@@Grimmwoldds Dawids are expensive these days
David: I'm going to build a system that draws less power
Also Dawid: check out this 1300w psu guys!
1300w psu would be pretty good for a high end system drawing in the region of 650w. psus are usually most efficient at 50% load.
@@iris4547 I have a 1000w with a r5 1600 and gtx 980 lmao, idk if I'm even hitting 50%. And before you ask, I inherited it, I didn't buy a crazy PSU 😂
This is a pretty damn great vid. Chasing efficiency when building PCs should become more of a trend rather than going with the samey and boring balls to the walls configs. Very fun and you made me consider more this facet when I am gonna build my next PC
I bought a 1660 Super in early 2020 because it was the most efficient GPU at the time. It still shows up in efficiency charts, though only impressive today for the low idle power draw.
It has been a thing for ages. Maybe it's more of a European thing for the average single gamer PC setup because electricity costs more over there but as someone who does IT for a living TCO has been a part of building clients and servers for a long time.
Homelabbers also generally care a lot more about this kind of thing for somewhat obvious reasons. The thing I'd have liked to have seen would have been a comparison of the original PC with undervolt tweaking to see how much less power that system could have used compared to the difference in performance as well as the difference with the new setup for a more fair before and after.
You should post every video in VR. Made me feel extra fancy.
Right
@@moji3812Oh. So if I get the joke I am not a verb
Never forget the stretched 360 Dawid that was taken from us
Luckily I still have it for future viewing, plus it's still somewhat up
@@Foggy404 its just been unlisted but might be available if you saved it :D
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Really awesome experiment that was a great success!
I think the difference efficiency makes when idling and gaming is massively underrated, so I'm really glad to see you exploring this so publicly!
I'm in a household with four, regularly used, computers. For work, play etc they are very carefully balanced between performance and efficiency. I built them this way specifically with our electricity bill in mind!
We have a art/work computer, two light gaming rigs for our two kids, and a gaming system for myself.
All together at 100% utilisation all four systems would only just manage to use more wattage than a 4k gaming system, coming in at 700w combined, which is honestly kind of mind blowing.
Thank goodness you're making that switch to efficiency, for your own sake and Anna's!
Ive been obsessing over power consumption for months regarding almost the same parts. Thanks for making this video, super enjoyable
Good job. One of the more interesting build videos I've seen. I myself tend to forget about power draw and temperature when considering parts but now that I've seen this I'll make sure to reconsider. 👍
The video in 360 gave me a newfound love for Dawid's beard
Thank you, watching again to see that sweet setup. The VR is a nice idea though... For future things perhaps. Maybe if you go abroad to buy another PC or something? :)
I have just upgraded my 2600x AMD Rx480 to 5950x AMD 6700x . Full load is the same on CPU Cuz b350 has a max socket power draw around 150 and gpu is Less, Rx480 pulled 230 with an 8pin. But Performance is way bigger , definetly Waiting 3 years of stutters in Wow and Lol Worth It Now . LOVE ur clips man !
Makes the 15-25w in gaming handhelds(steamdeck and such) even more impressive given their performance. Would be interesting to see some direct comparisons.
Does it though? He is gaming at 1440p high while the handhelds mostly play AAA games at 720p often low settings. At those settings the desktop doesent use much power either.
@@helicopter234I think such desktops will draw 50W even after idle.
@@AchiragChiraggthat's because power supplies are not efficient at low usage. Handhelds don't have that issue.
Much better. Trying to scroll around the "3D" video ball was certainly entertaining, but also terribly frustrating from a viewing standpoint, as everything not near center was terribly distorted. XD
You and Brian seem to be the only ones that try to be practical about finding a sweet spot and not just the latest and greatest. Similar performance, but cheaper or more efficient makes more sense than a huge electricity bill.
These videos are truly useful and so much better than watching computer techs slap together horrible PC's from Aliexpress trash for the lols. Thanks!
@DawidDoesTechStuff Effeciency is pretty good, there. But, what if building a system is not an option? It would be fun to see if that 11900K could be detoasterified.
11900k is cursed, but IIRC still undervolts quiet fine
Now, that's a trend that every techtuber should start promoting. Nice vid Dawid!!!
Insane how big difference it is between the 2(im happy im not using or need 600+watt to play at homw during the summer)
Great video as always
The only system i have looked at that draw anything like it was a system i was looking at for at home AI processing. To reduce my times for training from a week to a day and AI generated content from minutes to seconds. Why AI? Well AI is the new big thing so have to learn how to use it to be competitive in the job market. Still the price tag of around 4500USD to 6000USD is a price that is hard to swallow for a system that will also raise the power bill even when idle and generate a lot of heat when at 100% loads which will go on then off then on then off as AI gen is not a consistent load but on then off kind of then. Gaming probably is nicer to consumer hardware then AI software.
Man I stumbled across this channel like two days ago and this is like the third time one of your videos pops up, now I have no choice but to subscribe.
Thanks alot...
Dawid did a 180 on his 360 video which I think was the right angle to take.
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After seeing this video yesterday, I put my Ryzen 9 5900x in the 65W eco mode and was incredibly impressed! Performance at 1440p stayed basically the same, but the CPU temp ranged from 65-69C and maxed out at 71C with my Corsair H100i Elite Capellix AIO under load (The Division 2 maxed settings @ 2hr of gameplay). I also undervolted my RTX 3080 SeaHawk to 875mv @ 1895Mhz and it also sat around 50-55C while giving me imperceivable performance differences in gaming. Now my PC is running MUCH cooler and takes a fraction of the power it used to...it's actually insane how inefficient CPU/GPUs run from stock despite their actually impressive efficiency capabilities when given proper limits to extract the best performance at the least cost - thank you so much for this video!
The 1% lows getting higher while unvervolting is quite shocking lol
it makes total sense if the gpu wasnt capable of maintaining the clocks consistently. companies push high clock speeds for marketing even if its not practical. gaming for hours needs consistent speed to hit your target framerate having a high boost clock wont help if the card gasses out and slows down because its going to look like youre getting stutters which means you would probably want to turn down settings anyway for a better experience.
@@jebreggie4225 I have a 6700 XT and it actually performs better when I drop the power target to -6% and lower the core voltage just a little bit. Or, I can just ramp the fans up a little bit. Both have the same effect.
@@AliceC993 means its doing good generally these gpu have higher power targets and clocks to become first in benchmarks etc resulting in heat and lot of power draw . undervolting is a very under rated trick to lower temps without performance loss but only to a certain point lmao
@@akshatsingh9830 Yeah, my card is very picky about how far you can undervolt it; at stock clocks (2581 boost) it doesn't accept anything less than a 20 mV under without artifacting, but HWinfo says that actually results in about 1.14 V at the GPU instead of 1.18 (stock is 1.2). If I drop the boost clocks to ~2400 it'll go all the way down to 1.1v without issue.
@@AliceC993 i undervolted my 3070 to 950mV while raising the clocks to 1960mhz, but then i decided to go the extra mile and drop it all the way to 850mV, dropping the clock to 1860mhz, i lost an average of 3~5 fps in gpu bound games, but the power draw and temperatures were a massive success. the game i play withe the biggest power draw is divison 2 and that went from 260w to 180w (i have an aorus master with raised tdp) and the temps barely break the 55º ehrn before it reached 70 something
For those who doesn't know, ROG B550i does NOT work with RTX40 series and Asus is doing NOTHING about it!
We need help from Tech Jusus!
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Dawid - "Yeah I think I'll mount the radiator like this"
GN Steve - "Why do I bother?"
Thank you. I spotted that and I was beginning to doubt myself!
Thanks for mentioning this, I was hoping I wasn't alone in noticing.
Lol! The opening clip reminds me of that movie in the 80's called Airplane when the pilot is sweating with water pouring down from his head.
I do enjoy this kind of content. I often learn something new, and I'm always entertained. Keep it coming!
Can we please get one in the winter for a system that will function not only as your gaming pc, but also as your neighborhoods central heating unit?
Went from a 980 Ti (~220W while gaming) to a 4060 (~115W) while gaming. With a power cap on the processor it’s a night and day difference on ambient temperatures while seeing double the performance. Guess going from 28nm to 5nm will do that.
People on RUclips like to hate on the RTX 4060 and 4060 ti, but one thing they really have going for them is they produce a lot less heat than the RTX 3060 ti.
@@1O1O11 That efficiency is a lie - Nvidia have been selling gamers the worst binned dies off their production lines for a while now so they can sell the good stuff to data centres and laptop manufacturers. Nvidia always could have sold us a 3060Ti with half the power consumption but that would have ruined their market segmentation and pricing ambitions.
We've found one of the few people that actually bought the 4060
@@trikop7575 equal in price to a 7600/3060, my region doesn’t have the fire sale 6700/XT/50XT, so price/perf wasn’t that much better moving up a tier. Instead got a a cheap 2TB 4.0 drive for a few dollars more than the upgrade would’ve cost me.
@@Gatorade69 or if the 4060ti wasn't hot garbage that even loses to the 3060ti....
I always love seeing the meshlicious in videos, it's such a cool little case
i have a 5700x with a 4070, the powerdraw to performance ratio is insane.
i upgraded a few months ago, before that i was using a ryzen 3600 with the rtx 3060 12gb.
after the upgrade the powerdraw was nearly similar, while the performance drastically increased.
an upgrade path i totally recommend btw
Did you retain your PSU or also upgrade it along with the CPU and GPU?
@@Cris-P-Bacon i kept the same 500 watt psu, because it was only 18 months old and i do not do any overclocking. Although i would recommend 550 or 600 watts to have a bit more margin :)
@TheTryingDutchman that sounds good! I also currently have a 3600 and 550w PSU and am looking to upgrade to a 4070.
@@Cris-P-Bacon your psu will be fine :)
The 3600 will definitely become a bottleneck though, it wont be able to feed the 4070 enough data to get the most out of it. (It even bottlenecked my rtx 3060 in some games, i have some benchmarks on my channel)
Going up to a Ryzen 5600 (should be plug&play) will be sufficient, however if you also do some video editing or want some '8 core bragging rights' (lol) the 5700x is perfect.
Enjoy the 4070 :D
Nice! That's a pretty good drop in power with out loosing too much performance at all. 👍
You should flip the fans around, exhaust helps system temps hugely in these systems
Yes in particular in the Meshlicious !
Good to see that you found a more power efficient system and made even more power efficient by undervolting it. Also the 4070 has the same amount of vRAM or 2gb more of vRAM depending on what version of the 3080 you have. LOL you should use your 11900K system in the winter as a space heater.
this is why i dont usually buy the top end. its a matter of diminishing returns. youll get 10% more performance for 200% the cost and 300% the power draw. i dont buy cheap by any means, but 1 or 2 steps down from the top end usually nets far better results and means you can upgrade sooner rather than holding on for dear life to the thing that cost more than the modern parts to replace it.
Aww man, I found this channel back when you were installing the EVGA Hybrid kit on that 3080. RIP to the VGA part of EVGA. I have an EVGA 3090 I got 2nd hand and while it sucks back power if left at stock settings, I can't bring myself to let it go any time soon, let alone for a downgrade in VRAM capacity. In this summer heat I just drop the power slider down to 85% and barely notice the difference in performance. During the winter I max that thing out and stay nice and comfy.
You should use Ryzen Master Curve Optimizer for the CPU, automatic undervolts each core :)
Is it safe?
@@ZAND4TSU yes. It can be bit optimistic and if you do a 24h prime 95 / y cruncher burn in, it might throw the odd error - just use the offset button to bring the voltage back up a notch. IMPORTANT - after you find the settings that work with Ryzen Master (it's AMD's 1st party tuning software) - put them in the BIOS, or you will lose them when you reboot/power down. (Unless you set Ryzen Master to fire up every time.)
@@lucidnonsense942 hmm.ok
Does undervolting mean that the PC will draw less power due to the reduction of Voltage?
@@ZAND4TSU Undervolting the CPU with Ryzen Master will drop the Volt on a per core basis, so that it does not draw more power than it needs to function safely.Less Volt equals less wattage being used for the same operation, and it is safe as the only thing that could possibly go wrong is instability under load, which is easy to recover from. On my 5900X the voltage is dropped significantly, less powerdraw and typical temp under load 60-65C, would definitly recommend trying it.
Did actually watch this on my Quest when it was published
Doesn't an aio pull more power than an air cooler?
That's fair, but I think that's kind of the tradeoff. It uses power, but offers a better cooling solution because there's less airflow potential in the smaller case where you'd be space limited for a larger tower block. There also doesn't seem to be a rear exhaust fan so this would offer a better compromise between cooling and space in a small system.
Yes 0.1% of the total powerdraw, you solved the issue
So smart
Now that's what happens when Dawid decides to experiment a bit. He breaks stuff and then has to reupload it :-)
Great video. I think that power efficiency is something that's important to a lot of gamers but that doesn't get enough coverage!
Very interesting how power efficient new graphics cards have become.
The 20 series were pretty power efficient. My 2070 draws like 179W max.
They have mostly been efficient. x080 and above and higher end 6800xt and above are the ones taking crazy power to run.
I have the exact same Fractal North case and i absolutely love it... Your previous review on the case made me buy it! Thank you!
You really shouldve used AMD Curve Optimizer on the CPU, i was able to shave 25 watts off my 5600 with only a 2% performance loss.
I love that you're an ITX PC user! ITX is awesome
You don't need to build a new system. Just set PL1 on the CPU in the bios to something more reasonable like 85watt, and set the power target on the GPU a bit lower in Afterburner. You can take it further and undervolt both.
I think the point was to not lose performance...
Really enjoyed watching this video!
There is one more thing though that has the highest potential to save power: Limit FPS to reasonable amounts. When taking BF as an example: 120FPS should be plenty for 99% of players. I bet that would cut the power draw from 260W to around 200W.
I was expecting a 7800x3d, or 5800x3d, but that's fine also. Generally, the 4070 should be faster at FHD, equal at WQHD and slower at 4k compared to the 3080.
I got a 4070 for my next build. The performance at 1080p is the same as the 3080 Ti, but consuming way less power.
@@thejaegerbomber99 why would you want a top card for 1080p...?
@@thejaegerbomber99 according to TechpowerUps' 4070 Founders Edition launch review (April 2023), the 3080ti was "only" 6% faster at 1080p than the 4070, so it's quite possible that with 3 months of driver development, it is now almost equal. Though, at 1440p, the 3080ti was 11%, and at 4k 19% faster, and those gaps are too much to make up with driver updates.
@@mikeycrackson and you SEEM to think I was expecting x3d CPUs because of their performance, not knowing that the (at least the 8-core) V-cache CPUs are actually very very efficient, especially the 7800x3d...
@@bootchoo96 the 4070 isn't a top card by any means. If you were talking about the 4080 or 4090, I'd believe you, but the 4070 is an upper mid-range graphics card.
Your merch is hilarious and uniquely Dawid! I love it.
Now without 360!
I have a similar setup just beefier, meshlicous with a Founders 4080 and a 7700x with PBO tuning, all air cooled with intake 140mm fans and it is whisper quiet, with exceptional temps. ITX builds can accomplish a lot if properly planned!
We need more energy conscious builds like this!
I'm just wondering if the PC runs stable. I see B550-I is used together with an RTX 4000 series GPU. A lot of people sees instability and crashing with this combination and Asus is not going to fix that
Glad that Dawid's new pc was able to cool AND un-distort his apartment
Such a clean and cool build!!
Would be cool to hear what this means for you in terms of electricity bills.
Where Dawid lives, barely a difference. Average the two different stages of power consumption, it comes out to $0.10 USD/KWH. Now, if you’re in a country where it’s $0.4 or more, than you could see some noticeable savings.
250w = 1 dollar per 20h of gaming at 20cent a kilowatt. Given that you don't spend your money elsewhere when gaming, it's free realestate. Skip going to see barbie the movie and you can play 200h. People are overblowing the 40 series efficiency. The only tangible good side is temperature and noise if the card is overbuilt.
@@PyromancerRift the way I also see it is if you have the disposable income to be buying 3080/4080/3090/4090 cards, the extra $50-100 on the high end per year in costs with be almost unnoticeable in your general budget. If we’re talking the low end, then turning on the kettle one less time gains you back those couple hours of gaming time.
Edit: some hard numbers - the difference between a 4060 and a 4090, gaming at SIX hours everyday, is $20 a month at 0.40/kWh. If you’re unable to eat that difference in power usage and your budget, why are you even splurging for a 4090 to begin with?
@PyromancerRift 250 watts at 4 hours per day where I live is $6 per month. Around $70 per year. In the warm months that also means running the ac less as well. Stretched over a few years you save yourself a few hundred bucks. People forget about the increased cost of cooling your pc room. I had to run the ac in the late fall just to keep my pc room cool.
This was a breath of fresh air. I loved the comparison. It was shocking to see how undervolting made a significant increase in performance all while drawing less power. I loved this.
I like this kind of review, I don't think I have seen anyone else do it. I would like to see say an all AMD GPU, and a newer Intel CPU to see what they do under the same conditions.
That is the worst combo for efficiency
LOL, thanks man! Thank you for letting me know for that 45W Eco option in the Asus bios. Thank you and nice video as always!
That’s better! 😂
I feel like is not nearly as hilarious though 😂
Thank you for the reupload. I feel like i lost most of the content on the first video and it seems that i was right.
I didn't see half of the stuff appearing on screen :)
After rewatching, just want to say that the power efficiency seems to be worth the higher prices of the new gpu's, but only if you live in a hot climat place or if the electricity is realy expensive. In my country the prices are somewhat affordable for a 4070,, though i will stick for now with my 3080.
I don't want to upgrade yet. Maybe the next generation.
5800x3d - this is what your cpu should be, you went crazy on the best of build, pulls less when gaming and way better gaming cpu. 4070 good choice. nice informative video
''the average power consumption of the Ryzen 7 5700X was only 73.5 watts, while the R7 5800X3D consumed more, averaging 89.4 watts.''
@@Safetytrousers average is not a good point of comparison, median is
@@jesusbarrera6916 Median depends on what you are doing with the CPU at any given time. It is a pointless measurement if you want to find out which CPU will use the most power over time.
Steve says you have your radiator in the wrong orientation. 😊
Dawid should work in marketing, that be quiet segment will be etched on everyones brains for life!
Yup I went through this myself last year when I built my new system. My old rig was a 9900K & MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X (420W card). The CPU usually stayed under 100W but that 4080 would chug down ~400+W without batting an eyelid if you didn't undervolt it.
My new system is a i7-13700K & Nvidia RTX 4080.. both undervolted and it really just sips power now compared to my old setup. I wish I recorded before/after power readings with it as it was a pretty nice improvement. My old PC would heat up my room in the summer months to 78-80F (25.5-26.5C). My new system typically my room won't get hotter than 74-75F (~23C) now which is a ton more comfortable.
Great video and something which is overlooked then building a gaming pc, power usage is also something to consider and to factor I’be hen building. This just goes to show how much power and money you can save but just a couple to configuration changes.
Good excuse for dawid to get a new gaming rig, but not bad. Smaller form factor and portableish, kinda. Nice job 👍
A couple pennies and a brief fondle? Sounds like the name of a band.
I usually build midrange PCs, as that's what I can afford.
My most insane build in the wattage department was an FX 4100 with 1.5v/4.5GHz OC and an R9 290x with full power cap.
It could hard-trip my UPS at north of 650w wall power, which was my best power measuring implement at the time. Likely 700w.
Gaming loads were usually closer to 600w. Still made the 750w PSU sweat to keep everything powered.
Sadly a mechanical pencil lead fell into the top air vent and landed directly onto the back of the GPU die among all those SMD capacitors and exploded the graphics card in spectacular fashion. Turns out that PSU's SCP works!
I sometimes wonder how much more I could have gotten out of it had I not murdered it, as it was also demonstrating graphical artifacting, with flickering squares dancing around in the shadows in some games (Witcher 3 being the most notable).
After all, large-die GPUs are intrinsically less reliable.
My current era PCs are a lot more reasonable. I haven't wall tested my cube PC (RX 570, 2700X), but my outgoing daily driver (3600, GTX 1080) averaged 300w gaming load and could sniff IIRC 450w under power virus torture.
The PC that replaced it (6950xt, 5800x3D) typically bounces around the 520w range under heavy gaming load. Definite space heater.
Fun fact! It inherited the exact same "battle hardened" Antec TruPower Classic 750 as the *last* insane high power PC had!
Gotta say, I respect the wallpaper, the Eagle Nebula is my favorite!
great video. for the same reason (my flat is directly under the roof, hot). i recently downgraded from 5800x to 5700G.
and oh boy, what a difference. i disabled PBO, and set it ti 4.0 GHz at 1.13V.
still 13k cinebench r23 multicore, while only sipping 60Watts.
Playing Fallout76 (1440ü 120fps cap) just requires freaking 18 Watts!!!
In contrast the 5800x with PBO enabled pulled 80 Watts (200% more) in Fallout76, while only delivering around 10%-20% more fps paired with my 1080 TI.
Another benefit almost noone speaks about, the iGPU with hybrid graphics.
Everyone seems to know it when its about laptops, but none thinks about it when desktops are concerend.
And it does work flawlessly... connect displays to the MB, so ur GPU goes fully idle while wokring, and when gaming the dGPU starts to wake up.
havend noticed any performance loss due to the passthrough of the signal through the MB
I live in the desert and it's been 104-109 for the last few weeks. My PC raises my room temps enough to where I find myself sweating in my seat some times! It did save me during the snowpocolypse a couple years ago in Texas, though.
Good job Dawid!
However personally I would have undervolted the CPU with PBO2 via a negative core offset. However I do believe your 45W Eco-mode is dropping a lot more power than PBO2 can.
You missed one additional control in the whole deal that would have really confirmed the difference: how much the room would go up with just the monitor and such turned on and all PCs out of the room. My guess is if it is more than say 25-28C outside, your ambient temp in the room with the AC off would have gone from 20.5 to probably 22. So the "new" system would contribute 1.5 degrees, and the old system nearly 3. That difference is so much more significant when you put it in those terms.
In money terms, it's also super important: If you game all day (say a nice 10 hour session) you would use both the higher amount of power (200 watts between the systems) AND whatever additional power the AC would be pulling to try to keep the room temp in check. Depending on how close to mafia pricing your local utilities use, that could just about pay for your new system in a relatively short amount of time - and you could sell the power hungry system to someone who is "in the family" and might not have to pay the power mafia off.
For gaming, eco mode is all I need for my 5600X. 65-70W at most and no difference vs the 90W AMD stock PBO did and less hassle than curve optimizer. Efficiency, if the goal vs ultimate performance, means less heat and more battery life for handhelds. Super excited for the mini PCs to start taking over the ITX builds. Feels to me like ITX will become similar to custom water cooling-those who want to will do it, but not that much better than a stock mini PC.
Great vid on how you can run things like eco-mode on Ryzen and undervolt GPUs to not only lower power draw but reduce temp output changing ambiet temp.
Personally running a 5800X in eco-mode and 6700 XT undervolted in a Meshlicious. Love it.
550W is about standard for most everyday computers over the last 15 years so I don't know why it's a problem.. I mean my old mid 90's 486DX4 100mhz had a 300W PSU my Pentium 4 pre built Dell had a 450W PSU witch I harvested as a car battery to run my 3x amps 2x subs 2 6"x9" and 2x 6" coaxial and 2x dome tweeters I built into a home stereo system because it sounds better than than most over the counter hi-fi systems.. witch all run off that old 450W PSU so a newer AMD/NVIDIA GPU and AMD/Intel CPU package with RGB and ram and NVME drive and spinning HDD 550W is pretty much standard equipment.
I liked that you had a modern problem and showed your entire thought process towards fixing it! Related too 😂
Hi Dawid, great content as ever, my only gripe is the orientation of your 240 aio, please flip it do the tubes are higher than your pump, could help the lifespan of the aio😊
I have a 15.6 inch laptop. Does any know how big 24inch monitor will be compared to the laptop screen?
My 3080 used to heat my room up something terrible too! Having recently switched to a 4080 thanks to a bonus from work, my room stays cooler and there's way less noise from the system as a whole. It tends to draw around 275w under usual circumstances and sometimes creeps up to 300w for brief moments if I'm really pushing it. My 3080 used to sit at 320w at least in most circumstances and the extra wattage does make a difference to ambient temperature especially over longer periods of time.
I remember when dawid didn't have sponsors and played CSGO with subs on the weekends. Congratulations on the success. You deserve it.
This was an awesome example of planning something out, executing, and seeing a real difference. Great video! Amazed that there was such a small form factor 4070.
Is saying I've got a 4070 lying around, so I'll use it, really executing on a well thought out plan?
Nice video, informative, funny as always. Good job!
How can you make pc stuff so fun to watch, after building for years I thought my time liking this stuff was over, but you have made it fresh again. Heat issue a low watt laptop board can do very well, I sit mine nest to my AC so it vents it right away.
That's really efficient! Your entire system draws as much power as my GPU.
Absolutely fantastic practical test. Still love the Fractal Case way more! However I wouldn't want to game next to the sun either. Cheers Dawid!
Maybe I'm crazy but I live without AC in an area where summers are like 80% humidity and 38 C in shade and I still game in a small room with terrible airflow. I just got used to it since I was a kid.
Impressive. I like this analysis, not many people are looking at energy consumption.
I love your videos in general, and I definitely watch whenever one comes up. In this case though, I was with you until you put the 240mm AIO on the 65w cpu in search of efficiency. Any chance you would do a video on a decent cheap tower cooler vs AIO on these low power 65w chips?
An ITX build is very much not a great idea, because the motherboards are usually less power efficient, there's a lot less room for cooling, and usually you can put a lot less stuff inside when it comes to like hard drives, PCI cards etc...
Great video ! Enjoying the content! ❤
Hi! As someone who has owned a meshlicious for over a year now, I have a 280mm radiator in mine and i routed the tubes by removing the spin of the case and then routing the tubes from underneath like that. to make more room for the psu and GPU.