I watched Larry Bird up close 3 hours before a game in Dallas. The year was 1986. He was the only one on the court. He shot a couple hundred shots or more, making most of them, then went to the Locker room. He came back out and dropped 50 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists and one steal on the Mavs. The most impressive thing to me, was how he was working while everyone else was resting up for the game.
Bird said Cooper was the toughest defender he had to go up against. Cooper said I hate Larry Bird but I totally respect that man and the way he played!
Put this in video game terms. Jordan had his strength level at 100% but Bird had all his stats at 80% which means he had everything needed to win. He had the endurance to take injuries and still win. He had the stamina to play the long haul. He had the IQ at genius level. He even had a shot accuracy that made him a crazy threat even with across the court passes. He had every stat near max which allows him to play like an end game player. When an end game player faces a boss at close to the boss's level, it becomes a far easier fight. That is what helped him to beat a boss level player like jordan. He may not be as strong as jordan but with all the stats darn near perfect it makes it very hard to beat someone like bird. Think about that the next time you play a rpg and face the boss. When you got all those stats near perfect its a far easier fight. If you do not have that stats good enough then the boss will easily win.
Jordan was an incredible athlete but he needed the ball to affect the game. He gave the ball to Pippen and that was about it. He took a long time to win titles because he was not a team player. Bird could score whenever he wanted but he had four teammates that all could get twenty a night too and he was a very team oriented player.
Have you ever watched Larry's college game or looked at his stats? What he did at ISU was amazing. While the Sycamores were decent , outside Carl Nicks none were NCAA finals level. Larry CARRIED that team for a whole season on his back, with Nicks assisting a little and they went UNDEFEATED. THe point isn't the fact that MJ was a bad player. Most Bird fans usually have him at 2 or 3 spot on their list, but the fact Bird made bad players look good. He elevated his team. So getting back to the '86 Celtics...awesome team from the end of the bench to Larry, he made them better. both Parish and McHale have said without Larry, they would not have the career and the HoF they did have. Bill Walton would not have been a HoF without Larry saying yes to trade request. So what Bird Gang say that makes him better than MJ is the fact of that intangible...the elevation of his team. MJ had a meh team, they were pretty bad outside of a few players, but he really did not come into a leadership role, or his leadership style was ineffective. All he did was shoot and guard. As you have said, basketball is a team sport. Part of the judgment of you GOAT status should be about the team and many rather forget the fact that Jordan wasn't a team player until the late 80's. Meanwhile, Larry effected the Celtics (Cowens was near retirement, Tiny was good , Maxwell was good) from day one. from 29 wins the previous year to 61 wins Larry's rookie year. He took over the team. He led the team. Might have gotten help from Cowens but it was reported Cowens took a back seat those last years. For many of us, the team leadership role is more important than the individual stats of scoring, rebounding, etc. And the fact Larry may not be the top of any stat in the NBA...he's near the top of all stats in the NBA, except dunking.
As others have very clearly and eloquently stated; Jordan's best team was the '96 Bulls (a very fine team) against Bird's greatest Team; the '86 Celtics in a 7-game series. My money is on Bird and the Celtics. They were the top rated Defensive team for that year, and their passing game for offence has yet to be bettered by any NBA team IMO. It most likely would have gone to the full 7 games, because the '96 Bulls were no slouches by any yardstick, but the Celtics had answers for everything they would have brought, with the least being Bird's clutch factor.
Another thing to consider. Is jordan has to score to beat you. Bird could beat you with rebounds and assists. He also probably had more consistent scoring options on his team. The other four starters were all consistent scorers. The ninety six bulls were not like that
I have to agree with you if the two teams played. Those bulls would have had to put rodman on bird. Michael and parish would absolutely either be a mismatch or better than the guy that was on them. Jordan, however, would be impossible to guard as he almost always was against the celtics and everyone else. The key would be if you stop jordan you probably win the game. And stopping him could be as simple as holding among the thirty points. The bulls could stop a bird, but they had three other guys that were capable of scoring twenty points a night. Their height and physicality would make it difficult for Jordan to drive to the Basket. Although I'm sure he get his buckets. However, he would have to do it with more volume shooting. Which would ultimately lead to less points for his team. If pippin was on michael that could be a wash. But i'm pretty confident parish would out score his man
One doesn't even have to get in the muddy GOAT debate. One can be diplomatic and simply say "Michael Jordan was the greatest physical basketball player we ever saw. Larry Bird was a basketball savant who understood the game like no other which is why he knew how to beat the greatest physical player ever." Across all sports, some people just have other people's numbers. Frazier could knock out Ali, Foreman could destroy Frazier, Ali could knock out Foreman and figure out how to beat Frazier eventually. Some great baseball pitchers had their own hitters who just owned them too.
Towards the end of Bird's career you could tell he was wearing a back brace. Sometimes after games he'd have to go to the hospital and spend the night in traction. Nobody else was made like Bird. Basketball was his oxygen. His sophomore year in high school and i don't remember if it was first game or first practice he broke his ankle in two places and tore all the ligaments. He never missed a practice and towards the end of healing from it he started using his left hand a foot more.
LB IN COLLEGE TOOK THE SYCAMORES TO NCAA FINALS 33-0, THEIR 1ST AND ONLY APPEARANCE EVER, LOSING TO MAGIC AND THE SPARTANS, THE START OF THE RIVALRY. THE 2 YRS BEFORE BIRD's ROOKIE YR WITH THE CELTICS THEIR RECORD WAS 32-50 in 1977-78 and 29-53 in 1978-79. LB's ROOKIE YR THE CELTICS RECORD 61-21 WITHOUT MCHALE, PARISH, DJ, AINGE OR WALTON.
the celtics passed the ball and ran the court and shot well from deep and played tough physical defense.. I think the 1986 Celts run all over the 1996 bulls. That celtics team was a hive mind, their chemistry was OUT OF THIS WORLD.
Bird got 60 points in a game against the Hawks & won the game. Now... They didn't win the game just because Larry got 60 points ....they won the game because Larry was still being all around player & the entire team was involved in the win!
Watch some more videos.Larry bird went 7 games as a coach with the pacers and almost beat him there to. My favorite is Larry bird but Jordan magic and Dominick Wilkins are my favorites from the old days
I think it doesn’t matter. We all decide who’s the greatest in our minds for so many different reasons. Michael was beautiful. His body was liquid gold. Larry just WORKED. It matters to a lot of us. He didn’t brag or thump his chest. He just played.
I don't have a problem if anyone takes Bird over Jordan. I have Bird as the third greatest all time. But both of these guys had virtually no holes in their game. I would take the 1986 Celtics over any Michael Jordan Team. Perhaps you can react to the 1986 Celtics. There's a video on them.
I got Bird 2nd all time, but really he is neck and neck with jordan.. and I agree with you, I think the 1986 Celtics run the 1996 Bulls out of the gym.
It's almost unfair to label anyone player the best ever. Is too many variables to consider. I'd like to say that there's an island. And the only guys on the island are guys who dominated the game when they played. You can probably pick ten or twenty players for that island.
Good job K. Michael never beat Larry. I KNOW!!!! I'm a Bulls fan. I hated Larry Bird, we could never ever beat him no matter what we tried. However, my respect for Larry Legend has no bounds. In the G.O.A.T. conversation I still have MJ #1, Larry #1A.
I’m going with Boston to the question of which prime team would win. As good as Chicago was athletically, Boston was good enough athletically to maintain but they had the IQ difference
They would also kill the bulls on the boards. Chicago only had one or two real rebounding threats. The celtics had three monster rebounders. D j got as many as any chicago guard.
Bird is #1 in Basketball IQ, Still To This Day No One Can Hold a Light Up To Bird's IQ/Skills. Bird Walked Into The NBA And Made None Big Players Play The Best They Ever Played, Because Of Bird's IQ/Skills. Jordan Just Didn't Have That. It's Not Jordan's Fault Very Few Ever Had Anything Like Bird's IQ/Skills. Check Out This Video: (Making The Case For The 1986 Celtics) This Will Give You Some Idea Why. Enjoyed Your Reaction Too.
Bird dominated the game from his very first day. It took Jordan years to rise to any sort of prominence. Also, remember that birds first year he had none of his future HOF playmates on the roster.
You asked about Jordan's best team vs Bird's best team. Jordan's best team is the '96 Bulls. Bird's best team is the '86 Celtics. While many people call the '96 Bulls the greatest of all time, I believe the '86 Celtics are actually better. One reason is because Jordan's team was playing in a lower quality league against weaker competition. Even getting through the season to the Championship was easier for them because of this reason. Then, to win their Championship, the Bulls won a finals series against a Sonics team whose best players were Gary Peyton and Shawn Kemp. The Celtics had to win a finals series against a Rockets team whose best players were Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. For the Rockets, both Olajuwon and Sampson are Hall of Famers while for the Sonics, only Peyton is a Hall of Famer. I actually love both Kemp and Peyton but in no realm of reality does even Peyton approach Hakeem Olajuwon in greatness. I personally have Hakeem at the 10 spot in my all time list, but he is generally going to be top 15 all time in any list. Peyton is probably top 50 but not even top 40. And no one would ever rank Kemp as high as Sampson.
Bird and Jordan faced each other in 28 regular season games. Bird won 17 of those. During all of that, Bird had two 50-40-90 seasons and is the inaugural member of the 50/40/90 club. In my mind, any talk of best player has to be broken up by decades. Bird was the best in the 1980s. Jordan was the best in the 1990s.
Also Yes Larry Bird Is Still The Last Player To Have Won 3-MVP's In A Row,,,1984, 1985 & 1986. Also Larry Tried Out In 3-Years In The Shooting Contest & Yes Won All 3-Years Straight In That Too; I Think It was In, 1986, 1987 & 1988.
jordan COULD pass and was great at it, he beat the Knicks with passes to Paxson/Kerr for a trey or Wennington/Longley for a lay.. but he also went 1 on 4 a bit too many times...
well statistically speaking, Jordan ONLY scored more and had more steals.. Bird had better shooting percentages, better rebounding and assists numbers and the same about of blocks and not that far behind in steals (jordan 2.3, bird 1.7).. Jordan is the ultimate two player Bird is the ultimate team player I got them 1 and 1a..
I don't think it matters "who's the best?" What matters is that Bird is a top-five all time player. Period. And people don't know it. The man averaged - averaged! - a double double for his career, and also had about 7 assists per game. In the playoffs his numbers were slightly HIGHER. And if he hadn't been so focused on the team, and on giving his mates good shots, he'd have averaged even more points per game .... as if that really matters. And he played years in unbelievable pain. There are videos about this.
Just started watching the video but am responding to your assist question. Yes, you're definitely trippin'. Jordan averaged 5.3 assists per game and Bird averaged 6.3. For context, Bird, a forward, averaged about the same assists as Steph Curry does. And, Steph Curry is a point guard. Playing making is actually part of his job at his position,
If you haven't reacted to the Dream Team yet...would love to see that one! In my opinion ....the best basketball team to ever play for the Gold! You know what they say about opinions ....but what the heck ...take a look at the video anyway! LOL
As a one vs one comparison, Jordan is the beat player ever. No contest. But if I was building a team from scratch and I had first pick Id take Bird and let someone else have Jordan. Optimally, Jordan would still be around from my second pick but that wouldnt happen in a million years 🤣 So, essentially what Im saying is, Id pick Bird over Jordan. Jordan may be individually better. But Bird made everyone else on his team 2 levels better. Lets say Jordan is lvl 10, Bird is lvl 9. But picking Bird also raised ALL my other players from lvl 6:s to 8:s... I couldnt pick Jordan over Bird.
I agree and even james worthy said he'd rather guard jordan than bird. He basically said that jordan was only a threat when he had the ball. Larry was a threat even without the ball. Because he would get rebounds and assists.
You don’t need to see bird versus Jordan in both of their primes. Bird beat Jordan during Jordans prime while bird, had recovered from 2 foot surgeries, and a broken back. If bird was in his prime, at that time, he would’ve beaten Jordan ferociously.
It is subjective who is the goat. But I can tell you the most complete player in history is Bird. Why? Shooter, D, assists, clutch, Rebounds, sacrifice, IQ, mental thoughts, dedication, anger, killer instinct, court vision, selfless, will and trash talk, he had it almost all, the only thing that he didn’t have and the other GOAT candidates have is winning the DNA lottery. other than that he is the most complete player ever existed. I am tired of people saying the Celts had a lot of HOFrs but nobody said that Bird made them HOFers. They actually said that not me. And Bird could have gotten more rings but devastating injuries prevented that and another event that is not spoken frequently. After wining 86, they needed new blood, players like Walton were in last legs others left. Red Aurebach pulled 2nd overall pick in the draft. A kid by the name of Len Bias a great forward 6’8” player. He was going to help to bring the 87 ring to the celts, but like a week after the draft he died. That season with tons of injuries the celts lost the championship vs the Lakers. Bird missed a Buzzer beater in a pivotal game. Pat Riley said “we got lucky…” Again speculating a bit more, with Bias and Bird not injured, they could have taken the lakers ring in 87 and maybe one of the pistons rings, bringing Bird’s rings to a 5 and maybe 6 rings. This could have cemented Bird like a for sure 1 or 2 best player of all time. But injuries slowed him down and circumstances made the Bird topic a debate among people that never saw him and people who saw him on the regular basis.
#1 bird over #2 jordan. birds '86 Celtics were the best team ever assembled, 67 - 15 regular season record with a 50 - 1 at home record. also that loaded team argument doesn't hold up when bird is in the conversation. birds rookie year he took a Celtics team that was 2nd worst in the league with a 20+ win season to the playoffs with a 60 + win season and the following year he took them all the way to the championship and won his first ring, it was all Larry Bird. you're exactly right jordan didn't start dominating the league until after bird and magic retired
86 Celtics were damn near unstoppable force they had a 67 and 15 season record and a 40 and 1 home record so it's a good chance that the 96 bulls would lose
Bird knew how to win . Even without the ball. Bird didn’t even have any of the team mates when in his second season. No Mchale, perish, Danny A . He did it with bums. Jordan couldn’t do it
A prime Jordan never beat a Bird with back problems. Not just bad back....broken back which required traction...double Achilles surgeries What would Bird do to Jordan healthy?
I think it's very close but I think because of the all around play and things you can't empirically measure I would put Bird slightly above MJ. I think Bird is the best all around player in NBA history. It's not a popular opinion but I watched both play and I just think Bird was better. I would respectfully disagree with that statement. I think the best all around player IS the best player. That's just my opinion though.
Best celts vs best bulls? iMHO the Celtics win that series of 7. They don’t mention that at home 86 Celts in two season where like 98-2. The pippen grant Rodman additions is pointless because as a rookie Bird took a 29-53 Celtics (from previous season) to a conference finals (with a 61-21 record, with him as the only addition) and a championship as a sophomore. No MJ no LeBron could do that. Magic did, but already had a winning record and a GOAT in the lakers. So Bird achievements are greater from my POV
hey my channel MJ is the best ok ? but larry is number 2 for sure, and more larry have soul too much is a diferent spot , u welcome , tnks from brazil bird domain
Larry Joe Bird played against Michael Jordan in 39 games and Larry Bird won 26 times against Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan in his PRIME and Larry Bird who can't jump and is TOO slow dominated Michael Jordan especially in the Playoffs 6-0 Larry Bird against Michael Jordan 0-6. Michael Jordan is more athletic than Larry Bird but Larry Bird DOMINATED Michael Jordan!!!!! LARRY BIRD IS THE G.O.A.T. and that's why so many Hall of FAMERS say That Larry Bird is in their top 3 even Michael Jordan puts Larry Bird higher than Labron James. Overrated Labron James and Michael Jordan just because they have more championships than Larry Bird. But they played harder and tougher back when Larry played than now, SOFT like watching a soccer ⚽ game instead of a Basketball 🏀 Ball game. With all the FLOPPING AROUND AND STANDING AROUND THE 3 POINT LINE 🤣 JOKE
Buddy I can't even finish the video because your way too loud over the video when people are trying to hear what is being said you come in Blaring out my speakers, adjust the sound differences that way people can enjoy your video. I'd like to see what happens but I can't listen to this
I watched Larry Bird up close 3 hours before a game in Dallas. The year was 1986. He was the only one on the court. He shot a couple hundred shots or more, making most of them, then went to the Locker room. He came back out and dropped 50 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists and one steal on the Mavs. The most impressive thing to me, was how he was working while everyone else was resting up for the game.
Bird said Cooper was the toughest defender he had to go up against. Cooper said I hate Larry Bird but I totally respect that man and the way he played!
You're right and Bird said Coop was the best defender he had ever played against. Mutual respect!
Yeah. I'm glad folks are starting to realize this. MJ never beat Larry Joe Legend at his worst condition.
True!!!
Put this in video game terms. Jordan had his strength level at 100% but Bird had all his stats at 80% which means he had everything needed to win. He had the endurance to take injuries and still win. He had the stamina to play the long haul. He had the IQ at genius level. He even had a shot accuracy that made him a crazy threat even with across the court passes. He had every stat near max which allows him to play like an end game player. When an end game player faces a boss at close to the boss's level, it becomes a far easier fight. That is what helped him to beat a boss level player like jordan. He may not be as strong as jordan but with all the stats darn near perfect it makes it very hard to beat someone like bird. Think about that the next time you play a rpg and face the boss. When you got all those stats near perfect its a far easier fight. If you do not have that stats good enough then the boss will easily win.
There are SO many players who say the same thing about Larry: he didn’t need the ball to impact the game!
True
Jordan was an incredible athlete but he needed the ball to affect the game. He gave the ball to Pippen and that was about it. He took a long time to win titles because he was not a team player. Bird could score whenever he wanted but he had four teammates that all could get twenty a night too and he was a very team oriented player.
1986 Celtics vs Jordans best Bulls my money is on the Celtics.
That team was stacked with monsters.
Have you ever watched Larry's college game or looked at his stats? What he did at ISU was amazing. While the Sycamores were decent , outside Carl Nicks none were NCAA finals level. Larry CARRIED that team for a whole season on his back, with Nicks assisting a little and they went UNDEFEATED.
THe point isn't the fact that MJ was a bad player. Most Bird fans usually have him at 2 or 3 spot on their list, but the fact Bird made bad players look good. He elevated his team. So getting back to the '86 Celtics...awesome team from the end of the bench to Larry, he made them better. both Parish and McHale have said without Larry, they would not have the career and the HoF they did have. Bill Walton would not have been a HoF without Larry saying yes to trade request.
So what Bird Gang say that makes him better than MJ is the fact of that intangible...the elevation of his team. MJ had a meh team, they were pretty bad outside of a few players, but he really did not come into a leadership role, or his leadership style was ineffective. All he did was shoot and guard. As you have said, basketball is a team sport. Part of the judgment of you GOAT status should be about the team and many rather forget the fact that Jordan wasn't a team player until the late 80's.
Meanwhile, Larry effected the Celtics (Cowens was near retirement, Tiny was good , Maxwell was good) from day one. from 29 wins the previous year to 61 wins Larry's rookie year. He took over the team. He led the team. Might have gotten help from Cowens but it was reported Cowens took a back seat those last years.
For many of us, the team leadership role is more important than the individual stats of scoring, rebounding, etc. And the fact Larry may not be the top of any stat in the NBA...he's near the top of all stats in the NBA, except dunking.
When Larry came to the Celtics their record was 21 -61 and his impact was unbeliveable.
As others have very clearly and eloquently stated; Jordan's best team was the '96 Bulls (a very fine team) against Bird's greatest Team; the '86 Celtics in a 7-game series. My money is on Bird and the Celtics. They were the top rated Defensive team for that year, and their passing game for offence has yet to be bettered by any NBA team IMO. It most likely would have gone to the full 7 games, because the '96 Bulls were no slouches by any yardstick, but the Celtics had answers for everything they would have brought, with the least being Bird's clutch factor.
Another thing to consider. Is jordan has to score to beat you. Bird could beat you with rebounds and assists. He also probably had more consistent scoring options on his team. The other four starters were all consistent scorers. The ninety six bulls were not like that
Agreed!
Ditto
I have to agree with you if the two teams played. Those bulls would have had to put rodman on bird. Michael and parish would absolutely either be a mismatch or better than the guy that was on them. Jordan, however, would be impossible to guard as he almost always was against the celtics and everyone else. The key would be if you stop jordan you probably win the game. And stopping him could be as simple as holding among the thirty points. The bulls could stop a bird, but they had three other guys that were capable of scoring twenty points a night. Their height and physicality would make it difficult for Jordan to drive to the Basket. Although I'm sure he get his buckets. However, he would have to do it with more volume shooting. Which would ultimately lead to less points for his team. If pippin was on michael that could be a wash. But i'm pretty confident parish would out score his man
One doesn't even have to get in the muddy GOAT debate. One can be diplomatic and simply say "Michael Jordan was the greatest physical basketball player we ever saw. Larry Bird was a basketball savant who understood the game like no other which is why he knew how to beat the greatest physical player ever."
Across all sports, some people just have other people's numbers. Frazier could knock out Ali, Foreman could destroy Frazier, Ali could knock out Foreman and figure out how to beat Frazier eventually. Some great baseball pitchers had their own hitters who just owned them too.
Bird would be the first person I'd choose for my dream team because he is a great team player. Jordan is more of an individualist.
Towards the end of Bird's career you could tell he was wearing a back brace. Sometimes after games he'd have to go to the hospital and spend the night in traction. Nobody else was made like Bird. Basketball was his oxygen. His sophomore year in high school and i don't remember if it was first game or first practice he broke his ankle in two places and tore all the ligaments. He never missed a practice and towards the end of healing from it he started using his left hand a foot more.
LB IN COLLEGE TOOK THE SYCAMORES TO NCAA FINALS 33-0, THEIR 1ST AND ONLY APPEARANCE EVER, LOSING TO MAGIC AND THE SPARTANS, THE START OF THE RIVALRY. THE 2 YRS BEFORE BIRD's ROOKIE YR WITH THE CELTICS THEIR RECORD WAS 32-50 in 1977-78 and 29-53 in 1978-79. LB's ROOKIE YR THE CELTICS RECORD 61-21 WITHOUT MCHALE, PARISH, DJ, AINGE OR WALTON.
Facts!
Bird spoke very highly of Jordan and vice-versa.
the celtics passed the ball and ran the court and shot well from deep and played tough physical defense.. I think the 1986 Celts run all over the 1996 bulls. That celtics team was a hive mind, their chemistry was OUT OF THIS WORLD.
Bird got 60 points in a game against the Hawks & won the game. Now... They didn't win the game just because Larry got 60 points ....they won the game because Larry was still being all around player & the entire team was involved in the win!
Watch some more videos.Larry bird went 7 games as a coach with the pacers and almost beat him there to. My favorite is Larry bird but Jordan magic and Dominick Wilkins are my favorites from the old days
9:10 you’re speaking too soon, my friend😂🥴🤪😁😂❤ 11:29 the wound you see on birds neck was him diving into the fans and the chairs cut him like that
THE ALL TIME TEAM since Bball is a team game!!!!!!!!!!! Wilt Chamberlin Larry Bird Micheal Jordan Allen Iverson and Dr. J
I think it doesn’t matter. We all decide who’s the greatest in our minds for so many different reasons. Michael was beautiful. His body was liquid gold. Larry just WORKED. It matters to a lot of us. He didn’t brag or thump his chest. He just played.
Too many variables.
I don't have a problem if anyone takes Bird over Jordan. I have Bird as the third greatest all time. But both of these guys had virtually no holes in their game. I would take the 1986 Celtics over any Michael Jordan Team. Perhaps you can react to the 1986 Celtics. There's a video on them.
I got Bird 2nd all time, but really he is neck and neck with jordan.. and I agree with you, I think the 1986 Celtics run the 1996 Bulls out of the gym.
It's almost unfair to label anyone player the best ever. Is too many variables to consider. I'd like to say that there's an island. And the only guys on the island are guys who dominated the game when they played. You can probably pick ten or twenty players for that island.
@@mjhyankeesful Jordan and Bird are on their own island.. then about another 4-8 players on a different island.
Facts! Lol
Good job K. Michael never beat Larry. I KNOW!!!! I'm a Bulls fan. I hated Larry Bird, we could never ever beat him no matter what we tried. However, my respect for Larry Legend has no bounds. In the G.O.A.T. conversation I still have MJ #1, Larry #1A.
Jordan has more respect talking about Bird than any other player. Says Bron isn't close to Bird as a small forward.
I’m going with Boston to the question of which prime team would win. As good as Chicago was athletically, Boston was good enough athletically to maintain but they had the IQ difference
They would also kill the bulls on the boards. Chicago only had one or two real rebounding threats. The celtics had three monster rebounders. D j got as many as any chicago guard.
Bird also had a lopsided record against Jordan in their regular season games.
Bird is #1 in Basketball IQ, Still To This Day No One Can Hold a Light Up To Bird's IQ/Skills. Bird Walked Into The NBA And Made None Big Players Play The Best They Ever Played, Because Of Bird's IQ/Skills. Jordan Just Didn't Have That. It's Not Jordan's Fault Very Few Ever Had Anything Like Bird's IQ/Skills. Check Out This Video: (Making The Case For The 1986 Celtics) This Will Give You Some Idea Why. Enjoyed Your Reaction Too.
Bird dominated the game from his very first day. It took Jordan years to rise to any sort of prominence. Also, remember that birds first year he had none of his future HOF playmates on the roster.
The best all around player IS the best!
How can you say any different?
In a team game if you're the best all round player, you're the best player.
Larry was playing in a full body brace at that point.
You asked about Jordan's best team vs Bird's best team. Jordan's best team is the '96 Bulls. Bird's best team is the '86 Celtics. While many people call the '96 Bulls the greatest of all time, I believe the '86 Celtics are actually better. One reason is because Jordan's team was playing in a lower quality league against weaker competition. Even getting through the season to the Championship was easier for them because of this reason. Then, to win their Championship, the Bulls won a finals series against a Sonics team whose best players were Gary Peyton and Shawn Kemp. The Celtics had to win a finals series against a Rockets team whose best players were Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. For the Rockets, both Olajuwon and Sampson are Hall of Famers while for the Sonics, only Peyton is a Hall of Famer. I actually love both Kemp and Peyton but in no realm of reality does even Peyton approach Hakeem Olajuwon in greatness. I personally have Hakeem at the 10 spot in my all time list, but he is generally going to be top 15 all time in any list. Peyton is probably top 50 but not even top 40. And no one would ever rank Kemp as high as Sampson.
Bird and Jordan faced each other in 28 regular season games. Bird won 17 of those. During all of that, Bird had two 50-40-90 seasons and is the inaugural member of the 50/40/90 club. In my mind, any talk of best player has to be broken up by decades. Bird was the best in the 1980s. Jordan was the best in the 1990s.
2 different positions bird is who I would want to take my last shot
Also Yes Larry Bird Is Still The Last Player To Have Won 3-MVP's In A Row,,,1984, 1985 & 1986. Also Larry Tried Out In 3-Years In The Shooting Contest & Yes Won All 3-Years Straight In That Too; I Think It was In, 1986, 1987 & 1988.
jordan COULD pass and was great at it, he beat the Knicks with passes to Paxson/Kerr for a trey or Wennington/Longley for a lay.. but he also went 1 on 4 a bit too many times...
Actually Jordan got beat 9-1 against Bird
well statistically speaking, Jordan ONLY scored more and had more steals.. Bird had better shooting percentages, better rebounding and assists numbers and the same about of blocks and not that far behind in steals (jordan 2.3, bird 1.7)..
Jordan is the ultimate two player
Bird is the ultimate team player
I got them 1 and 1a..
😂 I like that!
I don't think it matters "who's the best?" What matters is that Bird is a top-five all time player. Period. And people don't know it. The man averaged - averaged! - a double double for his career, and also had about 7 assists per game. In the playoffs his numbers were slightly HIGHER. And if he hadn't been so focused on the team, and on giving his mates good shots, he'd have averaged even more points per game .... as if that really matters. And he played years in unbelievable pain. There are videos about this.
Also wanted to commend you on your the way you broke the video down
Bird would say he had more rings and at the end of the day that’s what they were playing for
I have the 86 Celtics in a series with the passing making the difference.
Just started watching the video but am responding to your assist question. Yes, you're definitely trippin'. Jordan averaged 5.3 assists per game and Bird averaged 6.3. For context, Bird, a forward, averaged about the same assists as Steph Curry does. And, Steph Curry is a point guard. Playing making is actually part of his job at his position,
I thought I was trippin😂😂😂
If you haven't reacted to the Dream Team yet...would love to see that one! In my opinion ....the best basketball team to ever play for the Gold! You know what they say about opinions ....but what the heck ...take a look at the video anyway! LOL
If you really want to know how good Larry is then you will check this out.
"10 Straight Mins Of Larry Bird Facts That Will Change
As a one vs one comparison, Jordan is the beat player ever.
No contest.
But if I was building a team from scratch and I had first pick Id take Bird and let someone else have Jordan.
Optimally, Jordan would still be around from my second pick but that wouldnt happen in a million years 🤣
So, essentially what Im saying is, Id pick Bird over Jordan.
Jordan may be individually better.
But Bird made everyone else on his team 2 levels better.
Lets say Jordan is lvl 10, Bird is lvl 9.
But picking Bird also raised ALL my other players from lvl 6:s to 8:s...
I couldnt pick Jordan over Bird.
I agree and even james worthy said he'd rather guard jordan than bird. He basically said that jordan was only a threat when he had the ball. Larry was a threat even without the ball. Because he would get rebounds and assists.
Great content if karry was heslthy hed be a beast
I think Michael Cooper said it all. Larry Bird is the best complete player.
Old school basketball
Bird turned bums into role players.. role players into allstars..
nice react.
JOrdan 1, Bird 1a
You don’t need to see bird versus Jordan in both of their primes. Bird beat Jordan during Jordans prime while bird, had recovered from 2 foot surgeries, and a broken back. If bird was in his prime, at that time, he would’ve beaten Jordan ferociously.
It is subjective who is the goat. But I can tell you the most complete player in history is Bird. Why? Shooter, D, assists, clutch, Rebounds, sacrifice, IQ, mental thoughts, dedication, anger, killer instinct, court vision, selfless, will and trash talk, he had it almost all, the only thing that he didn’t have and the other GOAT candidates have is winning the DNA lottery. other than that he is the most complete player ever existed.
I am tired of people saying the Celts had a lot of HOFrs but nobody said that Bird made them HOFers. They actually said that not me.
And Bird could have gotten more rings but devastating injuries prevented that and another event that is not spoken frequently. After wining 86, they needed new blood, players like Walton were in last legs others left. Red Aurebach pulled 2nd overall pick in the draft. A kid by the name of Len Bias a great forward 6’8” player. He was going to help to bring the 87 ring to the celts, but like a week after the draft he died. That season with tons of injuries the celts lost the championship vs the Lakers. Bird missed a Buzzer beater in a pivotal game. Pat Riley said “we got lucky…”
Again speculating a bit more, with Bias and Bird not injured, they could have taken the lakers ring in 87 and maybe one of the pistons rings, bringing Bird’s rings to a 5 and maybe 6 rings. This could have cemented Bird like a for sure 1 or 2 best player of all time. But injuries slowed him down and circumstances made the Bird topic a debate among people that never saw him and people who saw him on the regular basis.
#1 bird over #2 jordan. birds '86 Celtics were the best team ever assembled, 67 - 15 regular season record with a 50 - 1 at home record. also that loaded team argument doesn't hold up when bird is in the conversation. birds rookie year he took a Celtics team that was 2nd worst in the league with a 20+ win season to the playoffs with a 60 + win season and the following year he took them all the way to the championship and won his first ring, it was all Larry Bird.
you're exactly right jordan didn't start dominating the league until after bird and magic retired
Another thing I consider is who was Jordan's big rival? He really didn't have one.
The only goat that MJ could not BEAT
Two different things can be right at the same time. Jordan was the greatest of all time BUT Bird was the best all round player.
Bird would kick his ass.
By the way I hope you realize that in both times Larry’s Celtic team won he was playing with a bad back
80's Jordan or 90's Jordan?
We will never know hypothetical...we only know what was....in the 80's....
I'll take Bird & the Celtics every time!!! Birds got more heart & determination than Jordan ever had...Imo
BB back then was the way its supposed to be played. I don't bother with the NBA anymore.... Its boring....to me.
86 Celtics were damn near unstoppable force they had a 67 and 15 season record and a 40 and 1 home record so it's a good chance that the 96 bulls would lose
Bird knew how to win . Even without the ball. Bird didn’t even have any of the team mates when in his second season. No Mchale, perish, Danny A . He did it with bums. Jordan couldn’t do it
Making the Case '86 Celtics the video you need to see to answer what team will win
Celtics and Larry fade away Bird. All day EVERYDAY!.
the look I can't believe michael jordan lost
BIRD IS OVER Jordan
A prime Jordan never beat a Bird with back problems. Not just bad back....broken back which required traction...double Achilles surgeries
What would Bird do to Jordan healthy?
The '86 Celtics would win. That's my belief.
Bird and the Celtics are winning over Jordan and his Bulls.
I think it's very close but I think because of the all around play and things you can't empirically measure I would put Bird slightly above MJ. I think Bird is the best all around player in NBA history. It's not a popular opinion but I watched both play and I just think Bird was better.
I would respectfully disagree with that statement. I think the best all around player IS the best player. That's just my opinion though.
Best celts vs best bulls? iMHO the Celtics win that series of 7. They don’t mention that at home 86 Celts in two season where like 98-2. The pippen grant Rodman additions is pointless because as a rookie Bird took a 29-53 Celtics (from previous season) to a conference finals (with a 61-21 record, with him as the only addition) and a championship as a sophomore. No MJ no LeBron could do that. Magic did, but already had a winning record and a GOAT in the lakers. So Bird achievements are greater from my POV
Celtics! 5 against 3stars
I cant put larry over jordan. But i can put larry miles ahead of lebron. F*ck i put grant hill ahead of lebron.
Is MJ 9-1 Bird wins . 3-0 , 3-0, in series. 4 other single games 3-1 bird won .
hey my channel MJ is the best ok ? but larry is number 2 for sure, and more larry have soul too much is a diferent spot , u welcome , tnks from brazil
bird domain
You are wrong. Boston will when
Larry Joe Bird played against Michael Jordan in 39 games and Larry Bird won 26 times against Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan in his PRIME and Larry Bird who can't jump and is TOO slow dominated Michael Jordan especially in the Playoffs 6-0 Larry Bird against Michael Jordan 0-6. Michael Jordan is more athletic than Larry Bird but Larry Bird DOMINATED Michael Jordan!!!!! LARRY BIRD IS THE G.O.A.T. and that's why so many Hall of FAMERS say That Larry Bird is in their top 3 even Michael Jordan puts Larry Bird higher than Labron James. Overrated Labron James and Michael Jordan just because they have more championships than Larry Bird. But they played harder and tougher back when Larry played than now, SOFT like watching a soccer ⚽ game instead of a Basketball 🏀 Ball game. With all the FLOPPING AROUND AND STANDING AROUND THE 3 POINT LINE 🤣 JOKE
Buddy I can't even finish the video because your way too loud over the video when people are trying to hear what is being said you come in Blaring out my speakers, adjust the sound differences that way people can enjoy your video. I'd like to see what happens but I can't listen to this
Nope Larry Bird was better