I see you have a new qz on your website, and it looks great. I'm not 100% sure it's in the budget as I missed the really affordable one, but it's on my watch list. I'm hoping to pick something up from you at some point as I love your restoration work and I know you're a watch fanatic at heart
One of my favorite brand, with some true hidden gems. But yea, this brand has some serious identity issue. When it lost it's Seiko moniker on the dial, it was suppose to be the start of the dressy variant of GS. But due to the unexpected success of GS, Credor pivoted to not take the spotlight away from GS, but rather became more of the test bed for future GS directions. Kind of like trying out things first in the JDM market without the GS's standards/pillars, then refining it through GS to be ready for the international market. Seiko's many innovations were all tested in Credor first (1st Spring Drive, 1st Tourbillon, 1st Repeater, 1st 12 Beat/Sec, 1st case back complication, and many 1st dial/material compositions or techniques). I wouldn't be surprised if your Credor's black dial was a test bed for some black ink or finishing process Seiko was trying out before GS, may be it never made it to GS, who knows.
Thank you so much for this insight. I just picked up my first credor and I’m learning so much more about the brand through obscure reviews and comments 🙏🏻👍🏻
Another great credor video!! Do you have a video showcasing ALL your credor collection? Also talk about your all time fav, top 3 credor available watches? Thank you.
I have the feeling that most luxury watches drop in value like a lot of luxury auto-makers (outside of Lexus) drop in value: service costs. EDIT - But kudos for going on this "journey". Definitely new and exciting stuff for WatchTube.
I’ve often wondered how you remove a scratch from a Zaratzu polished watch. Surly you can’t go at it with a Cape Cod cloth. Wouldn’t that leave an apparent smudge on the case ? I wouldn’t be at all bothered by the dust under makro, just don’t look at it under makro.
My sample size of two hasn't been positive with the 6R35 movement. I initially bought an SPB123 direct from Seiko, but upon arrival it was running fast at 15s per MINUTE! Probably magnetised, so returned. Then I bought the baby Alpinist, found to be running fast 30s/day (out of spec). Taken to Seiko for regulation, now runs well until the mainspring winds down, when it starts running slow, about 20s/day (within spec, but very inconsistent). Only positive is the 70 hour reserve.
I find the no date quartz Credor watches are really good as a wifes watch. I've bought her three now. About 33mm x 5mm. Just grab it and go. She likes them.
The Credor logo, I always assumed, was designed to look like minarets so that marketing could be directed toward wealthy Arabs. And consider also that some models have a crescent moon counterbalance on the second hand.
"littered with DNA" 🤣🤣🤣 I still love it! I hope you don't get quoted too high for the service. I really liked how you gave the background about the brand and history.
@@ilikewatches What... 🤨🤨🤨 Might be real croc skin but i think 500GBP is too much for a strap. They might be thinking you have the modern ultra-expensive Credor. 😂
I was looking on Ebay at Credor watches after You mentioned them recently..I was SHOCKED at the prices of some of their Quartz models..I'm reeeaally tempted to get one.. I really want a quartz now after brainwashing myself rewatching that Grand Seiko vid 10,000 times lol
Hello everyone. Off topic... is there a 'leather' dial version of the new vintage SM diver with the applied indices? I sometimes struggle to navigate Ali but cannot find it. Since there's no two-tone 36 DJ yet, this was going to be my first Ali Express purchase!
Very interesting video! I was into Credor since a while but haven't really looked into their brand and history until recently. Are there any places you would recommend to look for them? And did you make the follow up video?
There's a lot to be said for _not_ using macro on a vintage watch - at least for perusing a personal collection. I've a dinged up Seiko-GrandSeiko (pre-rebrand - quartz SBGF003, blue dial with gilt dial furniture) which was a steal of a price through used JDM market. The dealer photo'd on macro -- and I'm guessing the dings, scratches and scuffs drove the price down. I love it to bits, and I'm half glad my ageing peepers cannot see every flaw when wearing it :) Nice Credor btw... love the high polish against the inky black. Hope the Seiko folks bung you a sweet branded strap! (though it may have came on crocodile previously which may have meant it was removed pre-sale to ye)
Thanks for a fascinating video 👍. I hope you do get it serviced, but I fear the cost will be prohibitive. Watching your responses as you discovered the dust made for good entertainment, but I feel disappointed too!
Seiko, Seiko KX, Seiko Presage, Old Grand Seiko, new Grand Seiko and Credor how many more ways will Seiko find to get us to by a watch. Shame the Credor has lost it's original strap and buckle and been opened by someone who couldn't be bothered to clean it before re-assembly. Nice watch for the price and even after refinshing etc. will still be a bargain. Nice purchase Gary. 👍⌚😎
Dust aside, that date window surround looks quite shoddy under macro, and both the dial and indices are nothing to write home about. It seems like Credor lost its way from the original Dufour intention in almost every way.
❤️ that movement makes me moist Gorgeous finishing. Side note - what's your thoughts on the 6r27? I've got my eyes on an eBay pickup with that movement, and it intrigued me. High beat and seiko for under $500 The finishing looks solid, and it's attainable.
Older Credors (80s90s early 00s) aren't as impressive as the modern "haute horology" ones that Credor seems to be pushing for now. The problem with that is people will buy an older Credor and think they got something out of this world, but in reality it's more of a higher end Seiko lol.
Credore do not hold their value. Many times they sell for less than Grand Seikos do... or maybe it is just the ones I actually see in the US... I have only seen them in non precios metal and as you talk I wonder if I haven't only seen quartz and knock offs...
A nice looking watch but for me nothing really special, so for half the cost of the Credor personally if I wanted something a little different I think I might be looking at a 1974ish Seiko vintage quartz...stay safe
This watch looks almost identical to my Seiko SPRA-27. 4R35 and $150.00. Credor is interesting though. It seems confusing that Seiko would have separate branding for them. Seiko also produces Pulsar and Credor with Orient as an arm's length division as well- except that- I'm sure there's sound business reasons- kind of how General Motors has different brands that are essentially the same cars with slight detail differences.
look forward to seeing how this all moves forward....not an overall fan of the dial itself however that's very subjective.... congratulations on the acquisition though....🏴⌚🏴⌚
i dont think seiko or credor sought philippe dufour's help at the VERY START (in 1970s or 60s) for the micro artiste studio as was mentioned HERE , but only when they refocus credor more towards mechanical watches in more recent decades 1990s and later probably 2000s.... Credor made both high end Quartz and mechanical watches in earlier era and was not widely known then and even now. hence many quartz pieces can be had for relatively low price despite many have unique qualities such as ultra think etc....
Ah, found the vid 😃 Well, saw your vid after getting it back from being restored by Seiko Japan. Based on the price you paid for this, its condition & what Seiko charged to restore it - I would have done the same thing with no regrets. ⌚😎🤙
I say, see if you can have it brought back to "cherry". Do it! And put it on a really fantastic strap. I'm sure you need at least formal dresser. This seems like a strong candidate for that purpose.
Looking forward to the follow up video, cant wait to hear what Seiko are able to offer. TBH I had never heard of Credor, and before this, would have easily passed this by without a second look. Off now to grab a drink and do a little reading ready for the next video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and bringing what looks to be an interesting brand, that has made some strange marketing decisions to my attention.
Classy piece Gary though I have a feeling it's going to need a service on top of a quick clean and regulation. It's always great to see stuff completely out of the norm.
I do not see how that watch is 2k$. It looks like a cheap quartz. For real, those skinny indexes, common hand set. I get it is rare but still...plethora of other watches that have better movement or value.
Well I get it...it's like finding an old Mercedes in a barn. If it's given some TLC in Seiko's workshop this watch might shine again, it may well be worth it. Maybe they can complement it with the original strap.
In China, the world’s biggest luxury watch market, Credor is considered at the same level as Mido/Tissot and Grand Seiko is considered to be on par with Longines. The Japanese have done a good job brainwashing the entire western market, I’m delightfully impressed 😂
@@samuelmichelsen7196 Tissot made a minute repeater pocket watch back in 2011, making minute repeater is nothing fancy, even seagull makes perpetual calendar minute repeater tourbillon into one watch, by your logic seagull is superior to credor
@@Aztec1050 Phillip Dufor didn't help seagull but definitely credor. Look at the credor echi II, the won the GPHG, which is the biggest award a watchmaker can get.....so don't talk crap...
@@samuelmichelsen7196 are you the kind of person who believes that the Grand Seiko 9F quartz movement can last 50 years without a service? If so just piss off
This is the best video (or topic/ watch) so far my friend. Credor has a nice ring to it. I have heard how ridiculous it's craftsmanship is but I agree not very appealing. Bypassing the movement, have you seen the new Seiko automatic line? The Seiko SRP H series, SRPH85 to 92 I think, kinda look as simple as that Credor, for $300 bnew.
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I see you have a new qz on your website, and it looks great. I'm not 100% sure it's in the budget as I missed the really affordable one, but it's on my watch list. I'm hoping to pick something up from you at some point as I love your restoration work and I know you're a watch fanatic at heart
Watch is finally shown at 8:30.
One of my favorite brand, with some true hidden gems. But yea, this brand has some serious identity issue. When it lost it's Seiko moniker on the dial, it was suppose to be the start of the dressy variant of GS. But due to the unexpected success of GS, Credor pivoted to not take the spotlight away from GS, but rather became more of the test bed for future GS directions. Kind of like trying out things first in the JDM market without the GS's standards/pillars, then refining it through GS to be ready for the international market. Seiko's many innovations were all tested in Credor first (1st Spring Drive, 1st Tourbillon, 1st Repeater, 1st 12 Beat/Sec, 1st case back complication, and many 1st dial/material compositions or techniques). I wouldn't be surprised if your Credor's black dial was a test bed for some black ink or finishing process Seiko was trying out before GS, may be it never made it to GS, who knows.
Thank you so much for this insight. I just picked up my first credor and I’m learning so much more about the brand through obscure reviews and comments 🙏🏻👍🏻
I love the sheer joy in your voice over this watch!
Very interesting video!
It's a simple watch but it's beautiful. Thanks for the review.
Another great credor video!! Do you have a video showcasing ALL your credor collection? Also talk about your all time fav, top 3 credor available watches? Thank you.
2:14 which presage is that?
RE: Best watchmaker... You need to look up Roger Smith. 🤓
I have the feeling that most luxury watches drop in value like a lot of luxury auto-makers (outside of Lexus) drop in value: service costs.
EDIT - But kudos for going on this "journey". Definitely new and exciting stuff for WatchTube.
I’ve often wondered how you remove a scratch from a Zaratzu polished watch. Surly you can’t go at it with a Cape Cod cloth. Wouldn’t that leave an apparent smudge on the case ?
I wouldn’t be at all bothered by the dust under makro, just don’t look at it under makro.
If it’s a cheaper pre-owned one, I’ll just use Cape Cod. Wouldn’t on any proper modern £2000+ GS
I bought a golden quartz Credor and is just gorgeous, flawless and so elegant, i adore it i would say is my best watch
My sample size of two hasn't been positive with the 6R35 movement.
I initially bought an SPB123 direct from Seiko, but upon arrival it was running fast at 15s per MINUTE! Probably magnetised, so returned. Then I bought the baby Alpinist, found to be running fast 30s/day (out of spec). Taken to Seiko for regulation, now runs well until the mainspring winds down, when it starts running slow, about 20s/day (within spec, but very inconsistent). Only positive is the 70 hour reserve.
lovely Presage mate!
I find the no date quartz Credor watches are really good as a wifes watch. I've bought her three now. About 33mm x 5mm. Just grab it and go. She likes them.
The Credor logo, I always assumed, was designed to look like minarets so that marketing could be directed toward wealthy Arabs. And consider also that some models have a crescent moon counterbalance on the second hand.
Very interesting and entertaining. The follow up re the Japan service also promises to be a laff either way - best of luck.
"littered with DNA" 🤣🤣🤣 I still love it! I hope you don't get quoted too high for the service.
I really liked how you gave the background about the brand and history.
Thanks Eve…they quoted £500 for a new strap….😳
@@ilikewatches What... 🤨🤨🤨 Might be real croc skin but i think 500GBP is too much for a strap. They might be thinking you have the modern ultra-expensive Credor. 😂
I was treated like royalty lol, I took in. GS and a Credor so I guess that’s why…
@@ilikewatches That's one huge benefit of the Credor name! 😂
Thanks for the video! Really taking a closer look at this brand. Any word on the journey back to service? Cost/timeline?
I was looking on Ebay at Credor watches after You mentioned them recently..I was SHOCKED at the prices of some of their Quartz models..I'm reeeaally tempted to get one.. I really want a quartz now after brainwashing myself rewatching that Grand Seiko vid 10,000 times lol
Lol….I think I’ve watched it a few hundred times 😂
Morning, am Looking forward to seeing your journey with this watch. Beautiful watch 🤙🏻
Love the mondaine wall clock second hand stop for 2 secs to elevate min hand forward behind you ❤
congrats on 100K by the way
Thank you!
Hi, is there a white dial counterpart?
Hello everyone. Off topic... is there a 'leather' dial version of the new vintage SM diver with the applied indices? I sometimes struggle to navigate Ali but cannot find it. Since there's no two-tone 36 DJ yet, this was going to be my first Ali Express purchase!
Is there a white dial version or equivalence of this?
I have that same Seiko presage on your wrist and I love it! It’s my graille! 🥰
This was a vary informative video.
I'm going to have to keep an eye out and try to snatch one up myself. I'm big fan of how it looks👌
Very interesting video! I was into Credor since a while but haven't really looked into their brand and history until recently. Are there any places you would recommend to look for them?
And did you make the follow up video?
There's a lot to be said for _not_ using macro on a vintage watch - at least for perusing a personal collection. I've a dinged up Seiko-GrandSeiko (pre-rebrand - quartz SBGF003, blue dial with gilt dial furniture) which was a steal of a price through used JDM market. The dealer photo'd on macro -- and I'm guessing the dings, scratches and scuffs drove the price down. I love it to bits, and I'm half glad my ageing peepers cannot see every flaw when wearing it :) Nice Credor btw... love the high polish against the inky black. Hope the Seiko folks bung you a sweet branded strap! (though it may have came on crocodile previously which may have meant it was removed pre-sale to ye)
Nice watch. What did you pay for it, if you don’t mind me asking?
It wouldn't be a seiko without qc issues. No bezel to miss align... Have some lint on the dial instead.
some....not all of it!
That’s not Seiko, that’s someone that worked on the watch
@@nintendokings it is tricky to convey humour through text
None of my Seikos have QC issues
@@ChromeMan04 please see above comment
I love the Seiko on your wrist...
At 16:30 Answer to your question is no, it's too much.
very nice.. that a keeper.... only go up in value... cheers
We got seiko5, Japan got credor. Makes sense with automatic movement.
Like the look of the watch...
Outcome?? Thanks.
I enjoyed hearing the history of the brand. My question is - who throws out the boxes to expensive watches? Maybe I'm just a pack rat!
Thanks for a fascinating video 👍. I hope you do get it serviced, but I fear the cost will be prohibitive. Watching your responses as you discovered the dust made for good entertainment, but I feel disappointed too!
Delkar and Dreffa are two brands that shared cases, and similar dials, not much information on those brands from the 1950’s.
Seiko, Seiko KX, Seiko Presage, Old Grand Seiko, new Grand Seiko and Credor how many more ways will Seiko find to get us to by a watch. Shame the Credor has lost it's original strap and buckle and been opened by someone who couldn't be bothered to clean it before re-assembly. Nice watch for the price and even after refinshing etc. will still be a bargain. Nice purchase Gary. 👍⌚😎
Don't forget Alba, Lorus, Pulsar
Might be a good idea to add the followup video to the description if you did indeed send these away to Seiko!
Dust aside, that date window surround looks quite shoddy under macro, and both the dial and indices are nothing to write home about. It seems like Credor lost its way from the original Dufour intention in almost every way.
Can I put my name down on the list to buy that credor when you're done with it.
Consider me "registering my interest" 😂
lol.....consider it registered!
❤️ that movement makes me moist
Gorgeous finishing.
Side note - what's your thoughts on the 6r27?
I've got my eyes on an eBay pickup with that movement, and it intrigued me. High beat and seiko for under $500
The finishing looks solid, and it's attainable.
I don't think it looks that bad actually, apart from the dust ofc. Would be interested how much somebody would wan't for servicing one of these.
Not a fan of that strap and am amaized at the amount of dust on that dial...
I like it, the movement is GS level quality and not current Credor quality however for a 15yo watch its great.
Nice dresser!
that date window is an eyesore. besides that it's a stunner
i think the dial is great , potentially
Older Credors (80s90s early 00s) aren't as impressive as the modern "haute horology" ones that Credor seems to be pushing for now. The problem with that is people will buy an older Credor and think they got something out of this world, but in reality it's more of a higher end Seiko lol.
Credore do not hold their value. Many times they sell for less than Grand Seikos do... or maybe it is just the ones I actually see in the US... I have only seen them in non precios metal and as you talk I wonder if I haven't only seen quartz and knock offs...
Please bin that strap asap. I love the look of that movement. Thats all Ill say on the watch 😉. But Iam happy for your purchase Gazza.
ye, a Credor adventure ... good 👍🏻 !
A nice looking watch but for me nothing really special, so for half the cost of the Credor personally if I wanted something a little different I think I might be looking at a 1974ish Seiko vintage quartz...stay safe
The movement is just beautiful and well polished for the price range
This watch looks almost identical to my Seiko SPRA-27. 4R35 and $150.00.
Credor is interesting though. It seems confusing that Seiko would have separate branding for them. Seiko also produces Pulsar and Credor with Orient as an arm's length division as well- except that- I'm sure there's sound business reasons- kind of how General Motors has different brands that are essentially the same cars with slight detail differences.
look forward to seeing how this all moves forward....not an overall fan of the dial itself however that's very subjective.... congratulations on the acquisition though....🏴⌚🏴⌚
i dont think seiko or credor sought philippe dufour's help at the VERY START (in 1970s or 60s) for the micro artiste studio as was mentioned HERE , but only when they refocus credor more towards mechanical watches in more recent decades 1990s and later probably 2000s.... Credor made both high end Quartz and mechanical watches in earlier era and was not widely known then and even now. hence many quartz pieces can be had for relatively low price despite many have unique qualities such as ultra think etc....
I am looking forward to the great reveal when you get it back! I want to know how much it will cost!
Ah, found the vid 😃
Well, saw your vid after getting it back from being restored by Seiko Japan. Based on the price you paid for this, its condition & what Seiko charged to restore it - I would have done the same thing with no regrets. ⌚😎🤙
Hi Gary , it’s going to be interesting to see how you get on with Seiko UK/Japan. And how friendly you are with your bank manager 😂😂
Lol, they just quoted £500!for a new strap…
Bargain price,it’s a Seiko 🥳🤣
I say, see if you can have it brought back to "cherry". Do it! And put it on a really fantastic strap. I'm sure you need at least formal dresser. This seems like a strong candidate for that purpose.
Enjoyable presentation of this rather obscure time piece. You always leave me thinking...wondering.... but entertained. thanks
MUITO BOM SEU CANAL 👍👍 🇧🇷
nice and simple but oozes class , like you said a dress watch is supposed to be simple and elegant
I love these simple credor watches!
Who s is ref of this credor please ?
Looking forward to the follow up video, cant wait to hear what Seiko are able to offer.
TBH I had never heard of Credor, and before this, would have easily passed this by without a second look.
Off now to grab a drink and do a little reading ready for the next video.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and bringing what looks to be an interesting brand, that has made some strange marketing decisions to my attention.
Always a pleasure!
Classy piece Gary though I have a feeling it's going to need a service on top of a quick clean and regulation. It's always great to see stuff completely out of the norm.
Has anyone noticed how rare the no date Grand Seikos are???
Good video
I do not see how that watch is 2k$. It looks like a cheap quartz. For real, those skinny indexes, common hand set. I get it is rare but still...plethora of other watches that have better movement or value.
Well I get it...it's like finding an old Mercedes in a barn. If it's given some TLC in Seiko's workshop this watch might shine again, it may well be worth it. Maybe they can complement it with the original strap.
price of the original strap quoted......£500
Probably a Frankenstein fakie.
Someone has pulled it apart in a dirty location
I'll soon know, going to Seiko in a few minutes!
@@ilikewatches looking forward to the results!
In China, the world’s biggest luxury watch market, Credor is considered at the same level as Mido/Tissot and Grand Seiko is considered to be on par with Longines. The Japanese have done a good job brainwashing the entire western market, I’m delightfully impressed 😂
...they aren't...just look up the credor eichi II or their minute repeater.....
@@samuelmichelsen7196 Tissot made a minute repeater pocket watch back in 2011, making minute repeater is nothing fancy, even seagull makes perpetual calendar minute repeater tourbillon into one watch, by your logic seagull is superior to credor
@@Aztec1050 Phillip Dufor didn't help seagull but definitely credor. Look at the credor echi II, the won the GPHG, which is the biggest award a watchmaker can get.....so don't talk crap...
@@samuelmichelsen7196 are you the kind of person who believes that the Grand Seiko 9F quartz movement can last 50 years without a service? If so just piss off
Nobody cares what China feels or thinks.
It's a lovely watch but looks like it's had a life, hope your pricey service sorts it out.
Probably it was opened once for service so dust got in.
The service may cost more than the watch.
Gary goes upmarket 👍
briefly
for 1000.00 bucks why is the dial dirty?
"Credor"? Sounds like a middle Earth villian.
i love and hate my credor hahahaha my dad gave it to me thats the love !!!
It's okay but theres plenty off watches id rather for that money...
voila je suis parti acheter un credor a quartz pour le moment .....
Why not change the strap before the video.?
This is the best video (or topic/ watch) so far my friend. Credor has a nice ring to it. I have heard how ridiculous it's craftsmanship is but I agree not very appealing. Bypassing the movement, have you seen the new Seiko automatic line? The Seiko SRP H series, SRPH85 to 92 I think, kinda look as simple as that Credor, for $300 bnew.
It looks good…I’ll try to pick one up
I think it’s very sad that you dare to say credors are not very beautiful. Maybe you just don’t get the less is more Credor beauty.
Why don't you start by saying "Ahoy guys and welcome bat" after all this discusion about your "swing" opening??? 😅
Cheers Gary, enjoy mate!
Omg….brilliant I’ll do it
How did he buy it so cheap ???😮😮😮😮
I thought Grand Seiko was seikos top dog...
nahhhhh, lol
I have taken some Marco shots and they are awful 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Made me lol
Will be cool for an update when it makes it's way to Japan
#keepinitreal
those cheap quartz credors were the dogs ..... back in the 70s.
watch the price of Credor explode once Ed Sheeran or someone else like that starts wearing them.
sure, enjoy your thousand dollar credor while grimacing that others can have it too
CREDOR✨
Tehe 6R35 is a joke movement, appalling accuracy.
CREDOR IS THE HIGHER QUALITY BRAND OF JAPAN !!!!
Too much hand movement
Credor has to be one of the worst names ive seen on a watch..sounds like an AliExpress watch.