Seiko Credor Eichi II VS F.P. Journe Chronometre Bleu Luxury Watch Review Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
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SKU F.P. Journe: 4901302
SKU Credor: 4956777
The Grand Seiko Credor Eichi II (GBLT997) is encased in 39mm of platinum surrounding a blue porcelain dial on a blue alligator strap. Features of this Grand Seiko Credor Eichi II include hours, minutes, seconds, and power reserve indicator. This Credor watch also measures 10.5mm in thickness and 45mm from lug-to-lug.
The F.P. Journe Chronometre Bleu is encased in 39mm of tantalum surrounding a blue dial on a brown alligator strap. Features of this F.P. Journe Chronometre Bleu include hours, minutes and small seconds. This F.P. Journe watch also measures 8.7mm in thickness and 45.8mm from lug-to-lug.
For complete details, watch the full comparison of the Credor VS F.P. Journe.
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Introduction: 0:00
Grand Seiko Credor Information: 0:39
Grand Seiko Credor Caseback & Movement 04:48
F.P. Journe Chronometre Blue Information 06:30
F.P. Journe Caseback and movement: 07:49
Caseback Comparison: 11:59
Dial Comparison: 14:13
Finish: 15:19
Technology 16:58
Buckle: 19:24
Final thoughts & Tim's Pick: 19:55 
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Credor by a landslide. Journes are nice looking, elegant and superbly constructed. But this Credor is a masterpiece in simplicity, worthy of Duffour's praise. The dial alone is painstakingly painted by hand and just attaching it to the case can take hours. I've held both, and one almost brought me to tears (You can guess which one). Until you see the fineness of that brushing, the sheer depth of that anglage, you don't truly understand the phrase "high horology"
I agree. I will never own either, but that Credor is incredible.
True i have had the ultimate pleasure of holding the simplicity and eichi 2 in hands . I have seen many high end finished watches including laurent faurrier and roger smith but nothing comes close to the finish of Dufour except credor
Strongly agree...Credor it is
Now this is a vs for the ages! Arguably two of the best dress watches of the modern age mashing it out 😏
I love how candid this review is lol
Having seeing them in person for a few times, the Eichi Ruri undoubtedly gets my vote. As an owner of the rose gold version of Eichi II for more than four years, I don't have any complaints about it.
If you were given the option to choose your watches over again would you take the Eichi Ruri or the rose gold? Looking at it more I think I like your white ceramic dial with blued hands better.
@@SuperMrgentleman The Ruri dial alone is very fascinating, but it's not as versatile as the classic white dial. The little disharmony among white indices and silver hands also bugs me sometimes.
Ya I think the Eichi platinum with the white porcelain wins out
The gold brings a beautiful warm tone to the eichi, but the platinum has a very special hefty feel to it (I’ve seen and held both and ended up getting the gold with white dial). The credor is an amazing watch and mine still only loses about 5 seconds a month.
@@owenkeys4849 But so what about platinum with the white dial?
This is probably one of the best vs video you have made!
Awesome video Tim. What a comparison!
The CB's basically FPJ's Sub. What I'd really like to see is the Credor Vs the Sax thin blue copper.
The Eichi is peak japanese minimalism. Hope you can make a video on the new Credor Kuon models someday
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS 🙌🏼❤️🙌🏼 love it.
great vid tim
Such interesting comments. I am fortunate to own the rose gold Credor Eichi II, and it is everything I want in an understated dress watch. I am pleasantly surprised that some many comments were in favor of the lesser known Eichi II, however I suppose the demographic of Tim Mosso viewers is discerning enough to appreciate the mastery of the Eichi II. Fantastic video.
I am more surprised there are already three rose gold Eichi II owners in the comment section 😉
Agreed fp journe is the most important modern independent watchmaker . He is doing for this generation what dufour did for him .
Tim, you're a national asset to us watch nuts. Great work.
Definitely the credor for me. As you mentioned, journe makes amazing timepieces. But I’ve seen the spring drive in person and it is mesmerizing 🤩! Then on THAT dial!! No contest imo.
A week in with my credor and absolutely in love!
Great comparison video Tim. Really hard to choose but I'd probably stick with the Chronometre Bleu 🙂
Art is my passion and I dream about painting. Vermeer, Van Eyck, and Rothko are artists touched by the hand of God. Sculpture, however, is something you back up into when you're looking at a painting, and then there's time, something I see on my iPhone... until now.
Recently I discovered a video about an independent Japanese watchmaker, Masahiro Kikumo. Kikumo's Wadokei watch shook me to my core and exposed me as a fool. I began asking myself, how does a mechanical watch work? What is a tourbillon? I fell down the rabbit hole and I can't find my way out.
I'm mesmerized by the A. Lange & Sohne Datograph and the Philippe Dufour Simplicity. These watches are masterpieces of engineering and utilitarian sculpture but... they are not painting. Then I discovered the Credor Eichi ll.
If I could have just one watch in the world it would be the Credor Eichi II with Ruri blue dial. It is the most beautiful watch in the world. The porcelain dial is lovingly glazed in blue enamel as deep as the midnight sky. Each number is represented by minimalist strokes and the Credor logo is exactingly painted with an impossibly thin brush. The Credor Eichi ll breathes and pulses. It is a painted masterpiece. Take a Rothko, reduce it to the size of a postage stamp, and the Credor Eichi II would be the result. A silent hum on your wrist.
Still, I keep asking myself a vexing question. Could the Eichi II be better? With supplication and respect for Credor, I believe it can. Take the Credor inscription on the dial. Each letter, like the number markers, is painstakingly painted to perfection. Even so, is the Credor inscription too large? Would it be preferable slightly smaller? Perhaps, even, not there at all?
Included here are four versions of the Eichi II. On the left is the original. In the middle is the watch with a slightly smaller inscription and on the right shows the dial with the crown logo only. The dial with the smaller inscription is preferable to the existing watch. Perhaps the most controversial version is the fourth dial, with nothing at all. Hear me out. Yes, it feels empty at first, but like looking at a great painting, I encourage you to contemplate the color, the depth, the commanding force of quiet, slowly, over time.
To reiterate the point of hard looking, here too is another painted masterpiece, by the artist, Ad Reinhardt. Unlike conventional paintings, there's no artist's signature. The color blue is deep and expansive. It pulses. It's a blue that's bluer than blue, not unlike the Ruri blue dial on the Credor Eichi II. Imagine this same painting by Ad Reinhardt with a signature in the usual places. It's not the same.
Another conviction too is that I don't believe the polished bezel suits the dial. The reflections and glare distract the eye from the dial's color, depth, precision, and purity. The photos here, because of skillful camera lighting, show an altogether matte bezel. It allows the eye to settle on the dial without distractions. A brushed platinum bezel is preferable to polished.
Credor, as is common wisdom, is the artistic arm of Grand Seiko. While Credor's parent company focuses on engineering prowess, Credor is the expressive arm. The Eichi II is a singular example of this artistic method, unmatched by European watchmakers. Japan has a long history of lacquerware and the Eichi II dial is entirely hand lacquered by the incomparable, Isshu Tamura. So why blemish a painted masterpiece with words, a logo, an advertisement?
My preference is that Credor delete their inscription on the Eichi II. It's a blemish on the purest, most beautiful watch ever made. It's an unnecessary flourish that serves vanity. I question, too, the need to use a logo or an inscription of any kind on their watches. There are a growing number of independent horologists who feel no need to pontificate their brand. If Credor is truly the artistic arm of Grand Seiko let brilliance of mind and form and color manifest itself unencumbered by corporate interests. I promise, with this radical change, they will come.
Even with this critique, the Credor Eichi ll is the most beautiful watch in the world. My iPhone just won't do.
That's a difficult call. Both great watches. 🔥
Really enjoyed this comparison! It would be the Credor for me but I would love to have the FPJ in addition. Haha!
Credor! My watches are all under the radar, and this is the perfect quiet luxury watch.... if I can ever afford it! Great comparison TIm!
Love both of these, but I’d probably pick the Credor. Something special about it :)
Credor absolurtely. State of art of fine understatement and quality
Dear Tim and Watchbox - i LOVED this comparison review; can you please, please do the Breguet 5177 enamel blue v. the Journe Chronometre Bleu? I'd wager the Breguet would at least hold it's own. What do you think?? (Tim, feel free to opine.....is the Journe better than the Breguet?)
7R14 is designed to ilustrate a full bellflower by the bridge layout, skeletonization and structures. Aesthetics wise I think it compliments to the dial side perfectly, that isn't achieved by most high-end watches.
You had me kind of surprised there for a minute tim. The way you were talking about the fpj, I was sure you were going to choose that one what I thought was the obvious winner.
That FPJ is perfection!
They are both amazing.
both stunning!
I'll take the Credor, but I certainly wouldn't kick the Journe out of bed.
There might be more to the large top plates on the credor movement. They appear to be shaped like a sprouting bell flower. Both beautiful, At the end of the day, I’m taking the fpj 10/10 for me.
Fp journe 🥇won.. but that credor would be right after my Patek,Journe & Alange Sohne…
Battle of the best blue dial dress watches at the moment. I have to say I like the Credor more, but I would get the FPJ if I had to put my lottery cash for one of them 😅
They're both no doubt amazing. Givne the choice though, I'd go for the Credor.
Truly one of the best matchup videos. 2 titans.
My 2 grail blue dial watches
I’m surprised Tim was aware that the anglage leading up to the bell flower follows the outline of mt Fuji as well as serves as the stem for the bell flower.
If I were 20 years younger I’d go with the Journe. Today, the only option is the Credor. As you said, it attracts the right kind of people.
It's amazing that there are French words in Japanese.
Lots of English words, too. Japan is the world capital of cultural appropriation - and I mean that in a good way.
Best,
Tim
Credor. Tough, TOUGH choice. They are both fantastic watches but that Credor is something really special. I also love that it has a little Phillipe Dufour in it and you can very much tell it does with the anglage. Its stunning. Edit: wait wait wait wait wait. What is a Byblos? I know of the T-25, that's my favorite FPJ but what is this now?!
17:27 "that hypnotic true smooth sweep of the seconds hand, unlike anything else in watchmaking"-- Bulova Accutron had that in 1960 (360 Hz, fine enough that it appears smooth to the eye).
Yeah true ....but the accutron looks like bag of bits found in rubbish bin 😂
Still, the Accutron is starting and stopping to accomplish that - the same reason why you can hear it buzzing against the ear. Same for modern ultra-high-beat quartz movements bearing the Bulova name; the motion looks smooth, but the action is broken. Aside from a rarely seen Piaget from 2016, there's nothing that's actually constant motion in the wristwatch space.
Best,
Tim
Credor, without a doubt. Exquisite example of watch making at its highest level
Credit is the perfection, my holy grail
"it's not a watch, it's a phenomenon"
Credo, i choose you!
The mainsprings on the FP Journe are parralel, not in series.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
Best,
Tim
FPJ. No doubt. I think your estimates of production, especially the last two years, is way way off.
Still, there are way more CB in the market.
Epic, epic vs.
That eichi dial. Omagaaaaaaaawd
Oh yeah that is something else
Ecchi dial? I need to get my head out of the gutter 😂
@@g43654 can’t wait for the next Credor hentai
Hi Tim, do you think Credor having cheap stainless steel quartz watches previously on the market that now go for 500 to 800 dollars hurt its present status as Seiko's ultra brand?
No. The 2016 FP Journe Elegante 48 sold for $12,000 as a quartz watch not actually powered by a Journe movement. That doesn't seem to hurt the market for the $1 million-plus collectibles, vintage, chiming watches. And the real reason it won't hurt modern Micro Artist Credors is that most of those cheaper Credors of the past are completely unknown outside of Japan.
Best,
Tim
I would have to take the Journe, not because of technical superiority. I prefer the aesthetics of the Journe timepiece and would enjoy it more on my wrist.
I would purchase the credor before the journe
there is one on Chrono 24 with your name on it. What? You mean you can't afford it and have no ability to buy either? So you mean you are like the 99.9 % commenters who just make comments to see their words in print?
@@davidr2802 it’s a “vs” video. Sharing one’s preference is apropos to the video. Why exactly are you such a miserable person?
@@davidr2802this is a “vs” video where the creator and others compare and speak to preference. Therefore it is very appropriate. So tell me, why are you such a miserable person?
Even if the Japanese are more talented watchmakers the Journe wins this competition.
Journe gets my vote
Never cross out Tim.. .. Even before I PLAY the video.. I already knew.. FPJ especially the CB will NEVER win any comparison from our TIM’s fair and “unbiased” opinion 😂 “Great” review nonetheless 👍🏻
Credor
I like the design of the Journe more, but it is clear and undeniable that the execution of the Credor is far superior.
Journe all day
Im pickin Francewas watch but the Seiko is no sloutch
I bought this popular video watch from nkuwan , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
Both of these are clearly beautiful but I genuinely would purchase a hand wound piece from grand seiko’s elegance range and save thousands, clearly finishing in a different level but dress watches are dinner plates at this size, I have similar wrist size to Sir Tim and both look massive to me and not elegant at all.
I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!
The dial on the FP Journe is unforgivable- the six looks like a nine, the nine looks like a 6 - the seven and eight are a different size from the other numerals and the pointless white inner circle is truncated by the running seconds. The Credor dial on the other hand has a nice simplicity and consistency.
My dady bought one #nkuwan and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.
Surprised Fpj only offers pin buckle
He's smart. Pin buckle is far more elegant.
is this even a fair comparison? I feel these two watches are in different echelons. I think the CB is more comparable to an entry level ALS, maybe like the aventurine saxomat? this microstudio credor seems a level higher than those.
I find the credor boring. I'm sure in person the dial pops however just seems a bit plain vs the fpj.
money an object- Credor. money no object- Byblos!
FP Journe for me, by a landslide, both front and back. The only truly impressive thing about the Credor (relative to the price) is the really wide beveling on the movement plates. Those bevels stand out on an otherwise visually dissapointing movement. I understand why you're saying that the movement on the Journe lacks the intricacy and detail of the Credor, and technically you're right, but the overall impression goes to FPJ which makes the Credor's movement look like a plain Jane. I'm all for understated dials, but not understated movement finishing on high horology pieces. Just my $0.2. At the end of the day both watches are incredible and it's no surprise you wanted to make a versus video.
I agree 100%. If people actually had the money for either watch and were presented with them, they would be picking the FP Journe.
You can get 99% of that Credor by purchasing a Grand Seiko. That FP Journe is one of a kind. Yes, it has an acquired taste, but you know who made your watch, and it has way more personality than the Credor. FP Journe himself is also a super chill dude who you can still meet in person, and he would probably engrave the case with his signature if you asked him to. That's something special.
HEY #nkuwan I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
I don’t mean to put the vintage Accutrons within ten thousand miles of the Credor / spring drive’s league, but the 360hz of its second hand sweep is totally indistinguishable from the spring drive to any human eye. And equally hypnotic to behold.
Its a brand new strap but you keep rubbing and rubbing it.
Mosso's DNA gives these watches a premium lol
FP JOURNE by a lot
Journe all the way! That handset 🤤🤤🤤
how the credor makes feel- ruclips.net/video/PTvTLvkiAbI/видео.html
Are you serious? Credor comes from the French "Créte d'Or" for "pinnacle of gold." It even says this on the Credor web site.
Not "pinnacle of gold" but "peak of gold". The logo was designed to resemble the peak of the mountain that was located next to the original factory and Credor was originally intended as Seiko's precious metal line.
@@HRM.H I was quoting directly from the Credor website. No doubt you are giving a literal translation of the French.
Well "Crete" can mean crest or crown as Tim puts it. Hence why the logo forms a crest like shape. But it can also mean "Peak", which is why the logo can also be interpreted as mountains conjoining together. It's multiple interpretations strewn together at once.
Credor Eichi is very very good, but I think it's not interesting enough. Polishing is not everything in watchmaking. The front is impressive, but the layout of the movement on the back, the bottom cover and the engraving on the movement make it feel careless. All in all, a complete and continuous story is not told.
I saw the Journe CB in NYC - nice… but felt small and not expensive. Love Credor - but have never held the Eichi in hand. That Byblos is HIDEOUS 🤢
Is it just me or is the design language of the Credor kind of boring for the money?
For some people yes. Minimalism isn't for everyone.
“It doesn’t tick it doesn’t tok” like dude… relax
Credor stands below grandseiko or in the same level
Most of those choosing the Credor are obviously acting in bad faith as contrarians to the more "hyped" brand. The Credor is nice, but doesn't compare to the journe in esthetics, composition, and originality...it's a boring watch. Journe is on a different level as far as artistry goes.
Level of finishing on Credor is not seen on any other brand including Laurent Ferrier. I have seen both watches sin person and I really don't understand the hype of FP. Horrible finishing
FP Journe is overpriced. I bet they don't sell so often.
How can you say they are overpriced if they are worth more used?
@@kresimirpleicSure it depends on how you value, but for me CB is indeed overpriced(over hyped) in the market.
@@chia-mingyang5804 what makes it overpriced? its cheaper than the credo
CB
that cb movement is not in the same league w the credor, and i dont even like the credor. This isnt a fair comparison. The cb is one hyped watch w very little substance for the price. But at the end of the day it is a cash cow for FBJ just like people would pay 3Mil for the garbage tiffany patek
how is it a cash cow for journe?
Dude just said some most pretentious watch names at the end. La le laur aougfalf. Credor is minimalistic and elegant.
The Credor is eh-yee-tchee, not etch. 😂
FPL seems staid, boring next to the Credor. It's not even close for me.
Is Tim gay on Journe ?
The Seiko fans are really strong in the comment section. Honestly, the Credor looks like a cheap quartz watch design-wise, sitting almost indistinguishable from a Daniel Wellington.
Wear gloves. Your fingers are dirty
Dude the fp journe hands down I mean seiko is cool but it's never been a watch to put next to patek or vacheron level watches.
Credor
My dady bought one #nkuwan and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.