2022 Toyota Tundra Towing with NO WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION or SWAY Control!
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I’d love to see a 3/4 or 1 ton Yota
I love these type of videos. Real life tow testing with genuine feedback as it's happening. Nice work, per usual.
I like how JD was patient with this guys schpeel but had to be in his head quoting Ron Swanson, "I know more than you"
You have great self control with Wes. He's driving me crazy talking about not needing a WDH on something like that because it's got air bags.
He didn't say it is not needed. He said it is not as necessary as it used to be. Other than sway control, how are the airbags different than the weight distribution hitch? Sincere question. I had a TT. I have a 5th wheel now. My 2018 Ram has Airbags that adjusts based on weight. I assume the air bags in the tundra would do the same. I agree the payload on the new tundra is not great at all.
@@ryanvogels5149 the difference is 100% of the tongue weight is on the rear axle without WDH and the front axle is actually LIGHTER than when unloaded. With WD, a portion of the weight is loaded on the front axle. Without WDH, control is much more difficult and you're much more likely to overload the rear axle rating.
There was a video once I watched where they had a truck on scales (each) and with the airbags when they inflated them vs being at 5psi it actually transferred more weight to the rear axle and took weight off the front then when they weren’t inflated where as a WD hitch will take weight off the rear axle and transfer the weight to the front and back to the trailer. I personally use both paired together.
And with less weight on the front axle it is harder to control when sway starts because less weight on the front leads to less friction between the road and front tires and less braking capacity on the front axle.
@@thatguy-ye7pb exactly! I do the same and found the perfect balance is 35psi.
Nice! I have my deposit down. I can't wait to get it to tow my Grand Design 21BHE!
You repeated how the trailer was heavier than you would normally recommend quite a lot but there were other aspects of the new design that would have been interesting. What about the dynamics of the new engine vs the old? The steering feel, braking, the general comfort of the ride etc.
I've been following this channel for a while and two things are true:
1. Dude knows what he's talking about, even if he does have an overabundance of caution (that's better than too little!)
2. He sounds like a broken record 🤣
@@SliderFury1 he is quite knowledgeable which is why I follow him. He does tend to ask questions with his answers when talking to experts. Ask good questions, let the experts answer then editorialize with your summary. Anyway it's his channel and I look forward to the videos.
SR5 4x2 double cab 6.5 ft. bed, GVWR 7,035 lbs., curb weight 5095 lbs., max payload 1,940 lb.
Only the rich can afford this model!!! Wish it show the common man 👨 truck
You checked him on the weight and only being one person in the truck. They were definitely going for optics
6:37
Truck so clean that you can see the TUNDRA on the road.
Using an Airstream is a bit tricky too because they're more aerodynamic than the other standard box TT they had hooked to the old version
How does the power feel off the bottom when the turbos aren't doing anything?
Something to be brought up is brakes. Just because it can tow it, doesn't mean it can stop it in an emergency.
Tow Mirrors would be helpful too! I want my tow vehicle to be the boss all the time. That is why I haul a 6000 Lb GVWR Bumper Pull with a late model F-250. No issues and that is the way I want it. We don't really have to think to much about what to bring with us when we go camping. Loading balancing, yes, but what to bring, not really. I also use a Blue Ox WDH with integrated sway control. Great towing experience.
It has mirrors that electronically extend for towing. He just didn't cover it.
I have a 2007 Chevrolet Avalance with factory air ride suspension and a 5000 pound + travel trailer. I tow short distances (storage yard to home) without the weight distribution, truck levels out nicely BUT i have had a few very windy days where i can say for sure that there is no substitution for the proper weight distribution and sway bar set up
Agree
Very impressive towing capacity.
Total load capacity means the combined weight of occupants, cargo and luggage. GVWR when towing a trailer is the sum of the vehicle weight including occupants, cargo and any optional equipment installed on vehicle and the tongue weight.
What vehicle would you recommend for that airstream (I believe it is a flying cloud 25). My first choice is 2023 sequoia, 2nd 2022 tundra and 3rd 3/4 diesel truck. It is only me and my wife plus a dog and we travel all over the US.
I have the 2015 crewmax 5.7 Toyota Tundra. My question is that would it really make or be a big enough difference between this new truck versus my truck in buying this truck? Going from a V8 to a V6 with twin turbo makes me nervous. I feel like we are trying to make a V6 do the work of the V8 and so I’m thinking the V6 isn’t going to last as long as the V8.
I understand this truck was equipped with air ride, but did also have adaptive variable suspension?
Hello Sir,
At 7:15 ish you talk about the 2021 tundra’s brakes not dialed in the way you would like.
Can you explain what brake gain is and how to set it up universally for anyones truck/trailer.
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I hope you do a video of the F-150 versus new tundra
Wonder what tire rating the new tundras come with
what about engine and trans performance? no word on how the new powertrain handle this?
I have a 2022 Toyota Tundra and when I have a trailer attached to it and turn off the traction control it will automatically come back on by itself as soon as I start driving for a few seconds. And this is not a good thing when you're trying to go up a gravel road on a grade because the tires will slip the engine will slow down and eventually bog down and stop because there's not enough power. It's done this to me twice and I literally had to back up 200 yards on a very narrow Gravel Road. Is there a fix for this so that this doesn't happen when I'm trying to go up on slippery Gravel Road towing a travel trailer?
I still would put a WD hitch on, no matter what Toyota says. My ORV (rear kitchen) RV is 6400 dry. I have the '14 Tundra and been waiting years for this next gen to arrive.
Love Canyon Lake and the drive down River Road
Wonder if towing stickers on these will state you need a WDH when tongue weight over say 500 which that trailer definitely is.
Airbags only makes it look level. It doesn't distribute weight to the front like weight distribution bars.
Agree. Have seen videos where each axle is weighed with and without weight distibution hitch on truck to the trailer its towing. Which verifies your point.
How was the V6 compared to the V8??
We need to stop the madness. This is a 25 foot Airstream. The tongue weight is 850 including the Full LP tanks. This 1/2 ton is more than capable of towing this although I wouldn’t tow this without a WDH. Everything else needs to go in the underneath storage and inside the RV. Also, the water tanks are over the hitch so the Airstreams tow neutral full or not.
850, plus 100 pounds for the hitch, plus driver passenger 200lbs each, 2 kids and you're maxed out. Don't put anything in the bed.
Yea but what’s the difference between the old v8 tundra vs the new one when u were towing
Question. I’m a big Toyota fan and am looking to buy my first pickup, but I’m thinking I will need a 3/4 ton truck since the travel trailer we just acquired is 6,600 lbs dry and has a tongue weight of 902 lbs. I’m mow looking at F250’s. Would you choose the proven 6.2 liter gas engine that seems to only be available with the 6-speed transmission, or go with the 7.3 liter with the 10-speed transmission that is supposedly better for towing? There seem to be a lot of instances of issues with the 7.3. Would love your opinion. Thx!
Don’t buy a FORD is my recommendation
I noticed there was a cut in the video when he was discussing the type of trailer being towed under the settings. Who is willing to bet that there is a 5th wheel setting? This truck, while being very capable for a half ton, is still a half ton.
An there are Fifthwheels that weigh the same as campers so with the longer bed will even be a plus with people that have been towing Fifthwheel campers
Would have been nice to see the tach to gage how hard the motor was working
You mentioned you would look at the payload sticker of the truck at the end. Did you get a look and what was it?
I posted it over the video
I've been doing a lot of research (watching these videos helps a lot) regarding the new Tundra versus a 3/4 ton diesel for towing. You seem to hit some good points regarding what it "can" tow, rather than what it "should" tow. We've got a 6k dry weight trailer and currently tow with a 2014 Tundra. I feel that even the mighty v8 struggles, especially with the six speed transmission. I'd love to hear your honest opinion as to our next truck.
IMO you’re better off getting a one ton if you’re getting a diesel. Most 3/4 ton diesels have a 10,000lb GVW and the well optioned ones weigh around 8200lb which only leaves you 1800lbs of payload. Not much more than a half ton. Personally I think a 3/4 ton gas is the way to go, they cost 10k less, have less maintenance, don’t need any mods to be reliable, and usually have 2500lb payload minimum
Ditto the 1 ton single rear wheel. Prices between 3/4 and 1 ton aren't that different either. Between gas and diesel, it depends on how often you tow and what your daily driving habits are when considering long term fuel cost, maintenance, and repair. A diesel needs to be used for what it's intended or you could eventually have problems. Having said that, I recently went from gas to diesel and it is a game changer.
@@zach4604 I had a RAM 2500 gas and it was only $5000 cheaper than a diesel but the towing performance on the gas was poor. I would struggle on the up hill climbs usually having to manually shift between 1st and 2nd gear. With my new diesel I can climb those same hills at 3x the speed with little effort. Yes maintenance is more but it is not as often as a gas which equals out.
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Name of the video should have been towing safety with a low payload 1/2 ton.
There are a few half tons with higher payload than a diesel 3/4 ton. A well equipped hdpp f150 4x4 SC is around 2600-2800 payload.
I realize this was an invitation event by Toyota and you need to tread lightly on how you represent your thoughts.. However, squat don't mean squat! Once this truck is loaded PLEASE Revisit the loss of front axle weight when WD isn't used...
They should still put weight distribution on it...
They both felt the same because neither used any weight distribution. The others chains just hung and didn't distribute any weight at all and air bags don't distribute any weight at all either.
Those air bags....how long will they last? I love Toyota but I am very skeptical those air bags will last over a long time interval. Technology is great when it works but can be pricey to repair.
I have a 2021 sierra 2500 hd with a duramax ... it honestly feels like overkill for my 27ft 5,400 dry weight TT i put it on the CAT scale often the heaviest i seen it is 6,200 .... i am considering this new tundra in the crewcab standard box configuration with tow mirrors
You’re right, but probably should move up to a 1-Ton. /s Sorry, the amount of people arguing you need a 3/4 ton minimum to tow anything greater than 2000lbs boggles my mind and is bad advice. It forces people out of affordable trucks and campers. Having towed a lot, this is easily a 1/2 ton vehicle capable trailer.
I have 2022 tundra and pull a 6500lb 25ft boat. Tows with no issues and is a major upgrade over my previous 2017 Tundra limited. Look up the max torque of the 6.4 Hemi, the 7.3 ford gas and the tundra 3.5 twin turbo. You will be surprised.
Technology can only help so much when capability is exceeded.
I really wish you’d have a conversation with one of the engineers from Ford, Ram GM, Etc about payload capacity on 1/2 tons. For example in a previous video the Toyota engineer said the average 1/2 ton is towing an 8000lb trailer. So if they know this then why don’t they engineer their tow packages to support it? And why are they wedded to 10% in terms of younger weight calculations? 10% is the recommended minimum and I strongly suspect most trailers are 12-13%. Which means if I want to design a truck to handle an 8000lb trailer (1040lbs at 13%) and a family of 4 (adults at 175 kids at 80 510lbs total) and minimal cargo (call it 200lbs) you need 1750lbs of payload capacity. There isn’t a Tundra you can buy from what I’ve read that has this. So forget the advertised numbers. Toyota says the average truck tows 8000lbs but they haven’t engineered a truck that can do that.
And to be fair I get most people use these as passenger cars and never load them up. But they guy buying the max tow package does intend to load it up and should be able to.
This is a problem across the entire 1/2 ton truck market. No one engineers their trucks to actually be capable of handling the true weights that go along with their insane tow capacity number.
@@AdventuresWithBrian83 yep I’m well aware of that. But again let’s take Toyota as an example. They have a tow rating well over 8000lbs. They say that’s the average size trailer people tow with their truck. They have engineered a variety of equipment to make towing better and safer. Why don’t they engineer their truck such that the tow package also has enough payload to handle that 8000lb trailer, a family of four, and some gear? You know sell people a truck that can actually do what they want and expect it to do? I’d love to hear how the engineers answer that one.
At the start of this video you had a side view of the set up and the truck looked sacked out in the back to me. Your hitch camera showed the bounce as you went over that bump in the road. Two wheel drive with 1455 lbs cargo capacity. I think that was what you popped onto the screen. Interesting comparison for sure. What tires are on the truck. 2ply light truck tires?
1/2 ton truck manufacture usually gives you passenger rated tires 4 ply max
I'd really like to know exactly where you drove that trailer. It's beautiful there.
Canyon Lake
Ride height does not equal proper weight distribution. A WDH hitch also moves weight back up to the steering axle which is critical
So, that appears to be the 6.5 ft bed truck. Longer chasi than the old generation. I would imagine it tows better.
1455 2wd non hybrid. So the Platinum iforce Max is looking to be around 1,000lb payload ? 😔
About 1200-1300
My question is if your towing something like this a lot why not buy a f250 ,2500 etc .It’s all about safety and a 2500 is the safer period and the diesel is a big big difference it never down shifts brakes harder etc.
Important question. I understand your point about crosswinds and half ton trucks. But you typically refer to “big boxy” trailers. So if a half ton truck that has the capacity to tow a 8800 lbs and enough payload, does towing a lower profile, more aerodynamic trailer (e.g. Airstream), does this affect your opinion on towing with a half ton? Many of your talking points about experience and knowledge of towing can allow a driver to tow with a half ton truck almost implies that a 3/4 ton truck will allow a bad inexperienced driver to tow a trailer. I know that’s not your opinion but you know what I’m saying. Would really appreciate a reply on this comment.
I’m guessing he would say an HD truck will be more capable and planted while towing a TT and would be less stressful for a novice driver all things otherwise equal. An inexperienced person can only gain experience by actual real world towing and the HD truck will simply be safer towing a TT
Since when have air bags replaced a WD hitch?
When the operator is only concerned about squat and appearance. With total disregard for actual axle loads.
Exactly, they don't! And neither should a 5000# rated ball mount tow a >7000# trailer as JD is doing here
I wish my 2020 tundra platinum had 1455 lbs of cargo capacity. Mine is only 1185 lbs 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Tundras always had a great engine and drive train, but not great payload capacity. Hopefully the new Tundras are improved in that department. Air suspension systems do not increase payload capacity. Unlike a good Weight Distribution and 4 point Sway Control system which physically shift some of the payload weight off of the tow vehicle's rear axle and onto the trailer's axles and the tow vehicle's front axle, air suspension systems tend to focus more weight onto the tow vehicle's rear axle. etrailer has a great video about this.
I think Fastway hitch has a great video about it too
Nope
everything you wrote is a falsehood. a wdh does not physically shift weight. weight is mass. to shift mass physically, you must alter the placement of that mass. a wdh does not alter mass placement. a wdh is, in reality, a torque device. proof: no torsion bars, no wdh effect. the effect you experience is the effect of torque force. that force is applied to the truck frame; and the wdh will compound the dynamic forces caused by yaw and pitch from the trailer. the extra force on the frame can be sufficient to crack the frame. proof: many suv brands prohibit the use of wdh. airbags are a superior method to load levelling and control of dynamic forces.
@Rob Grune So you are saying that if you pickup the handles of a wheelbarrow you are not shifting the weight of the load off of the rear legs and onto the front wheel. Interesting.
@@raycalandra1887 obviously, you know nothing of physics. but consider... if YOU lift any weight via barrow handles, YOU are taking the force of the weight upon yourself. since when does a wdh lift the rear wheels of any truck off the ground? only airbags provide lift. a wdh applies torsion. the effect of torsion is created by the truck suspension, and is applied only by stress to the frame. torsion is not lift. the entire mass of the load does not change.
Did you have tow haul on? If so, level 1 or tow haul plus?
☀️Florida ☀️🌴🇺🇸 I think you need to load everything up , family , propane, bikes etc… then let us know. Those conditions and setup is unrealistic . Even a single person would have a lot more stuff loaded than what your test driving. JMO I wanna know this. If chip shortage lack of inventory now with Toyota as they claim but I know they use a different supplier for those chips. How in the heck are they rolling out new Tundras by December? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
They should do a towing test on 37 going to to Corpus. Its always windy and you'll encounter the sway when the big rigs pass you along with dumb people driving like 90 mph 😂 . I had a 21 chevy trail boss and my tt is a wildwood x-lite 263bhxl. It's like 6300 dry. I towed the tt 3 times and made the switch to a Ram 2500 with the 6.4. Major difference and much more payload
We only pull new 29 ft trailer home from dealer with 1500 Ram. Empty camper and truck. We didn’t move it until we got a 2500 Ram. Husband refused to tow it until then.
Yessir that was the trip that convinced me to switch from a 2011 Tundra to a Silverado 2500HD. Definitely a big difference in towing and stability. Also tons of payload leftover. Glad I made the switch.
Wish it was an sr5
You could just purchase one of the domestic trucks Toyota is attempting to copy. Heck, at least with a domestic truck you can pick a half ton or a real truck. I'd also not take advice from a guy who's not pushing mechanical sway control (usually part of weight distribution). It's already been proven that while airbags have their place they can not take the place of weight distribution.
13:55 That is 22 pound less payload than my "not a truck".
Would it set up better with a weight distribution hitch?
i dont understand your math. how can a 6000 gvwr or even a 7500gvwr be the max you recommend? way underloaded. 12000 is a 2wd, short bed, short cab, crew max 4wd 6.5 bed is 11100#
None of this tech means you could tow that actual trailer with this truck (or really any 1/2 ton) and a real world scenario of normal passengers and gear. That particular airstream is definitely 3/4 ton or higher towable only. Overkill will keep you from being killed...
I own a f350…a f150 can pull that easy…go to your ford dealer and ask him what a payload package is.its about $5,000.00 more and it basically beefs up all your suspension.we use to call it a HEAVY 1/2 TON.and add a 5.0 v8 .
Yeah I concur. It is still a half ton truck airbags or not. Air bags dont mean you can pull more weight ever. Airbags just mean you won't squat. I will say tongue weight is the key and never over 1000 pounds with a 1/2 ton with a bumper pull.
So a 1/2 ton that is capable of towing 11,000lbs with a tongue weight of 1600 isn’t capable of towing a 7,600lb trailer? 7K is the definition of ultra-light. Safety is important but you might as well just say get a semi to tow this if you think a 3/4 ton is necessary for this lightweight.
Yes it might have an 11k tow rating but you saw the payload capacity was 1400 pounds. How can you get 1,100 pounds of tongue weight and have anymore capacity for passengers and supplies? It could only pull that weight when you were by yourself with nothing else in the truck.
My 1/2 ton payload on 2021 Chevy Silverado is 2,025lbs and a towing capacity of 9800lbs this trailer is easily doable with my 1/2ton
the advice for experience cannot be overstated. drivers should be licensed to tow anything over 4000#. this will force drivers to acquire basic knowledge and experience, and will contribute to greater highway safety for everybody.
If Toyota would let US buyers have a fuel-efficient diesel option like the ones that are so popular in most other countries I would probably buy one pass on their gas guzzlers
Thank you so much for the information. All of the technology dose not make the truck tow any more weight safely. Not impressed with the new Tundras towing capacity. I am looking to buy a Ford 350 or 450. Toyota I am sorry is not there yet.
I don't think toyota will ever even try to enter those markets
Also, he mentioned the truck was 2 wheels. A platinum that’s not 4x4.???
One thing you'll notice about toyota and other foreign pickup trucks is technology. They have since been 2-3 years behind the big three since inception. You even have to buy a top shelf toyota to compete with lower trim fords, in terms of features and abilities.
Towing that TT in real world scenario safely should be a 3/4 ton truck,
If with air suspension I would NEVER pull a trailer of that weight without a load lever hitch, way too much tongue weight on a standard hitch
I thought the max towing for this vehicle was 12000lbs. You’re only half that. At that weight max you shouldn’t feel any resistance.
Why can't you tow a trailer weighing 7600 pounds with this truck?
This is stupid and boreline unsafe. Just because the truck is level doesn't mean the weight is balance across the front and rear axles safely. Put the truck and trailer on a set of race car scales and watch the front steer axle weight go down as the air bags inflate. The airbags will do nothing but "level" the truck and concentrate weight over the rear axle. In many cases the airbags will pull weight off of the steer axle if the tongue weight is heavy, like what you would see from any decent sized travel trailer. I fought this exact issue with my Tahoe that had autoleveling rear air suspension. The only truly safe way to tow a heavy, high profile trailers, like a travel trailer, is with a proper weight distribution hitch with sway control. I've used two different "standard" wdh with sway control before I finally bit the bullet and bought a Hensley. Since then, I've taken the next best step and upgraded to a 3/4 diesel. Once the new 2023 Duramax is available, I'll be moving to a 1 ton srw truck for our next camper which will be a 5th wheel.
I totally agree with you on this. On my F150 I have installed airbags to help level the truck when towing my TT, while obviously running a weight distribution hitch. And even though I have both, I have weighed my truck and when everything is set up properly I still have 200lbs less weight on my steers than when my truck isn’t connected to the trailer. So airbags only level your truck and help dampen bumps, but that all I’ve noticed.
The last truck didn’t have a working WD hitch or sway control. Toyota team is about as detailed a GM. Jokers
Nice cloth mask.
Thank goodness this truck has bulbs to replace and not the whole LED tail light assembly.. lol, SMH
No WD, no weight returned to the front axle. Level, so what, 100's of lbs. off the front axle is not correct.
I wouldn't buy a Toyota to pull anything (not that they are bad trucks), let alone pull without a WD setup. They are known for having a lower payload capacity than any of the big three.
put a family in that truck that would be actually using a camper that size along with their stuff and a cooler and let's see what happens....
You sound like you need a f550 to tow any camper.
I couldn’t agree more.
So all this R&D for towing and they failed to include tow mirrors? FAIL Toyota.
Enough of the Tundra