In theory police are supposed to arrest, that is take into custody, any suspect, and once they're clearly not a suspect they should be released without charges. But it's hard to say how often that actually happens since we've been shown evidence that police will and do fabricate charges on people they arrest for no reason, I guess to make themselves not look like idiots or something, not really sure what goes through the minds of corrupt cops.
@@EricLing64 that I never got they have 72 hour holding unless they manage to get patriot act on which let’s just say no dirty cop with that power would use it on something like that and it goes to court the cop would look so dumb in front of all the people in the court room if it even reaches court so I would say looking better safe than sorry is better than trying to press charges with not even circumstantial evidence.
Tommy Lee Jones even felt like his character pulling out his gun and shooting at Harrison Ford's character, especially in a crowded building, felt out of character.
@@kitenoticing Applied Biochemistry And Biotechnology? American Journal of Agriculture and Biology?... I genuinely don't know what those two abbreviations represent.
Bounty hunters are civillians who go after people who jumped bail. This guy seems like law enforcement who goes after people to bring them in to be charged.
When it came to _Joker_ I thought he was going to mention how unlikely it was that only two cops in all of Gotham knew that Arthur Fleck was a person of interest, and how no other cops were sent after him after those two cops were incapacitated _until_ he committed a murder on live TV.
Regarding the Joker movie; I believe the passengers knew these guys are Policemen. There had been riots between the Public and the Police if I recall correctly.
"In 1985 Tennessee v. Garner, the Supreme Court ruled that no officer can use lethal force to subdue or take into custody a fleeing fugitive" Yet here we are...
To be fair, in the Bourne movies they aren't exactly cops; they're spooks. Unrelatedly, it's really interesting to see how some of the spectacle isn't just made up.
My man left out the rest of Tennessee v. Garner: “Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[1]”
@@Cosdamotto Exactly. Evading arrest shouldn't be essentially a capital offense. Even if the suspect gets away, it isn't worth killing someone unless they're an immediate danger of harming others.
@@michealjackson8716 if they are pushing people you really want the police firing guns at a fugitive? They could easily hit one of the people who was being pushed out of the way.
5:31 when talking about Tennessee V. Gardner. He is right and wrong. Where he is wrong is they are allowed to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect if the officer reasonably believes the person fleeing will cause serious bodily injury or death to another if the suspect does escape.
@@DalionHeartTTV I cant find a single source that says he didn't have a gun oyher than quoting his family who wasn't on the scene insisting he didn't, and a handgun was found on the scene afterwards, so. Probably shouldn't have shot him but benefit of the doubt
@lygophile I didn't quote him exactly, but they come to mean the same thing. "It shouldn't happen" is the same as "Should never happen." He hesitates when he says it, because he knows it does, but it should (not/never) happen. They're interchangeable in this context.
@@JJ-nu8qi He's not wrong but he didn't fully explain the case law, I don't blame him though, it's not his fault that the internet is full of morons who don't know anything.
5:20 to clarify, an officer is only allowed to use lethal force against a fleeing suspect when that officer has an articulable and reasonable belief that that suspect presents a serious threat to the safety of the public or other police. I.E., suspect runs down a woman with a pipe and hits her in the head, police show up, he runs carrying the pipe... Police can shoot him while he's running because there is a high enough probability that he will injure or kill someone else if he escapes. Same goes for active shooters. The point is you can't use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon if they aren't a violent criminal who just recently committed a violent crime and may well do so again. In Tennessee V Garner, an officer shot a fleeing house burglar who wasn't known to be carrying any weapons or to have gravely harmed someone during the house robbery.
He forgot the last part about Tennessee vs. garner either that or it was edited out. An officer cannot use lethal force to stop a fleeing suspect Unless they have reason to believe that he posses a serious threat of harming another person.
It depends on the situation if you just killed someone and now you're running away yes you will be shot if you were running away 'cause your shoplifter you most of the time won't get shot cops are trained to use the use of force model which says if you're not posing a threat you're not going to get shot.
I remember this dude was on a reality show I wanna say 08ish. It pretty much detailed how him & his team went about locating & hunting down his fugitive. I believe the name of the show was called “Manhunters”
*Tennessee V. Garner:* "Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
imagine it your job to wrestle with huge guys that take steroids and are bigger and stronger than you, and unlike you, has absolutely nothing to lose. no thanks. not even for money. easier ways to earn a living.
These were pretty spot on. I'm a little disappointed that he didn't call out Bourne giving away his location. I've always hated that scene because of it.
Garner point is wrong. They absolutely can use lethal force on a fleeing suspect if the suspect is a danger to others lives. Which Harrison Ford was believed to be.
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
Tennessee vs Garner Our host was correct, but he left out a key detail: UNLESS the officer/agent has JUST CAUSE to believe that allowing the suspect/fugitive to flee would put the officer/agent into greater harm or would greatly and needlessly jeopardize the public safety.
A police sniper killed my brother. He was holding some people hostage and got shot for it. He had murdered his 3 roommates, then traveled 8 hours to kill is ex-girlfriend. He took her and her dorm mates hostage after shooting his ex in the foot. He was definitely a danger.
I'm sorry this happened for the victims, their families and your family. Obviously your brother had mental health issues that went unchecked, it's a shame for all involved that he didn't receive the help he needed.
Wasn't expecting Boondock Saints to show up. Here's a like just for that. U.S. Marshall's was such a bag of crap trying to make the dame movie. Wouldn't it have been much better to see Tommy's team chase a guilty person? One that is dangerous and smart?
I need to include "tactical error" in my vocabulary more often
no factor
Teacher: “this essay is filled with typos! Why did you make such a badly written essay?
Me: sorry, it was a tactical error
@@zxp3ct3r41 I see you've met Jocko🤣
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I did, and my friends have been calling me agent 007 ever since.
Why this guy lit like a borderlands character?
Video contrast turned up too high in post-processing.
I didn't know what you meant at first but then I was wow! You're right!
because there's a pandemic going around and they are working with what they have.
it kinda looks like a deepfake. also unrelatedly there are very few comments for the amount of views the video has
came to the comments looking for this
"I'm innocent!"
"I don't care."
sums it up doesn't it
In theory police are supposed to arrest, that is take into custody, any suspect, and once they're clearly not a suspect they should be released without charges. But it's hard to say how often that actually happens since we've been shown evidence that police will and do fabricate charges on people they arrest for no reason, I guess to make themselves not look like idiots or something, not really sure what goes through the minds of corrupt cops.
The Fugitive is one of the best thrillers ever
Cops in a nutshell.
@@EricLing64 that I never got they have 72 hour holding unless they manage to get patriot act on which let’s just say no dirty cop with that power would use it on something like that and it goes to court the cop would look so dumb in front of all the people in the court room if it even reaches court so I would say looking better safe than sorry is better than trying to press charges with not even circumstantial evidence.
You know back in his prime this dude totally chased down fugitives and said some cool and relevant line as he was cuffing them.
He was like a young Captain Holt in his day
@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou NINE-NINE
Shaft
“Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.”
I jerked off and then cried. It a bad day at the truck stuff.
One correction. In Joker, they definitely jumped on the cops, because they knew they were cops.
Twas a "tactical error" on his part
Tommy Lee Jones even felt like his character pulling out his gun and shooting at Harrison Ford's character, especially in a crowded building, felt out of character.
Another good expert video. You can hear the hesitation in his voice when he talks about police shooting fleeing suspects
then again acab
Abab ajab
@@kitenoticing yo chill
@@kitenoticing Applied Biochemistry And Biotechnology? American Journal of Agriculture and Biology?... I genuinely don't know what those two abbreviations represent.
What about what he said about Dirty Harry?
I love the way he pronounces Tommy Lee Jones as one word like Tommillyjoans.
His full name is Tommillyjoans Lee Jones, that's why.
But...that’s how it’s pronounced?
@@markfelix8737 😂😭
Amyqotd yep
I deadass was reading your comment when he said Tommillyjones
11:34 Tom Hanks' "Hey! Oh god-dammit" is a phrase I still use to this day. It's so great.
I love that line. It's hilarious the way he says it.
@@Arch3an It just applies in so many circumstances
I've fallen into a black hole of these videos....and I love it!!!
"Fugitive Detective" kinda sounds like a fancy word for bounty hunter
Bounty Hunter works for the Bail Company. Fugitive Detective is a police officer charged with tracking fugitives.
He's also a homicide detective he's on a bunch of The First 48 seasons
Harry Stotle yea bounty hunters have a bad reputation. There know for breaking the rules. They are civilians acting like cops without cop training
@@Tker1970 Thank you.
Bounty hunters are civillians who go after people who jumped bail. This guy seems like law enforcement who goes after people to bring them in to be charged.
"You thinking what I'm thinking partner?"
"Aim for the bushes"
When it came to _Joker_ I thought he was going to mention how unlikely it was that only two cops in all of Gotham knew that Arthur Fleck was a person of interest, and how no other cops were sent after him after those two cops were incapacitated _until_ he committed a murder on live TV.
7:57 this lady's screams sound like an awkward game audio trigger
The audience wants the noise to stop and for the woman to be pistol whipped like that. It's deliberate by the filmmakers
Regarding the Joker movie; I believe the passengers knew these guys are Policemen. There had been riots between the Public and the Police if I recall correctly.
"In 1985 Tennessee v. Garner, the Supreme Court ruled that no officer can use lethal force to subdue or take into custody a fleeing fugitive"
Yet here we are...
It doesn't count when the fugitive uses violence against officers, and/or is armed and presents a threat either to officers or to the public.
Came here to say this.
I was about to comment this too
"A fleeing *white* fugitive"
Fixed it
@@Pretzil43 Good boy. Now go back to cnn hq to get your cookie.
Chris Anderson was interesting, please bring him back for more.
He’s in first 48
True facts: the last scene is exactly how Wesley snipes tried to escape the IRS
wow where u there?
lol
To be fair, in the Bourne movies they aren't exactly cops; they're spooks. Unrelatedly, it's really interesting to see how some of the spectacle isn't just made up.
What does that even mean
@@shadymcnasty5920 people involved in espionage. Usually CIA.
My man left out the rest of Tennessee v. Garner:
“Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[1]”
That's great on paper, but does it really matter? Police will still look for any excuse to say someone posed a serious threat even if they're unarmed.
@@CulturedDegenerate oh, what flavor was the Kool-Aid?
@@docsavage8640 Cherry. What color is your blindfold?
Notice how he says it ‘shouldn’t happen’ that an officer fires a weapon at a fleeing fugitive, not ‘it doesn’t happen’. Sad world we live in…
brave and thought-provoking comment
This man was a homicide detective in Birmingham Alabama
I've been there
He gets my respect
He has been there and done that
I thought I heard Alabama in his voice.
I love these breakdowns, I wish there was more of them lol
The guy says phones traced or something to that effect when he knows that’s exactly what happens
This was a great video. I would gladly watch this man discuss several more movies. Thank you!!
The Fugitive is one of the best thrillers ever
Thank you! It's my favourite movie but whenever I mention it no one knows what I'm talking about ;-;
Watched it yesterday lol. I love Harrison but I didn't think the movie was that good. Maybe it's because the plot twist has become so common....
It is
Not even remotely
/ MOVIES IN GENERAL
Around 5:25 he's explains something that happens ALL THE TIME but it's illegal SMDH
so if you commit a crime and don't wanna get arrested all you need to do is run and you're untochable?
MudgateBronn untouchable , no. Alive , yes.
@@Cosdamotto Exactly. Evading arrest shouldn't be essentially a capital offense. Even if the suspect gets away, it isn't worth killing someone unless they're an immediate danger of harming others.
Joshua Davidson what if there pushing people
@@michealjackson8716 if they are pushing people you really want the police firing guns at a fugitive? They could easily hit one of the people who was being pushed out of the way.
5:31 when talking about Tennessee V. Gardner.
He is right and wrong. Where he is wrong is they are allowed to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect if the officer reasonably believes the person fleeing will cause serious bodily injury or death to another if the suspect does escape.
My man from First 48!
Yep.
“Was it worth it? Absolutely not, he’ll never walk again.” 😂
5:25 - few weeks ago cops killed a security guard because he simply ran away
While wielding a handgun
@@LB-ou8wt No he didn't have a gun, that's a verifiable lie.
@@DalionHeartTTV I cant find a single source that says he didn't have a gun oyher than quoting his family who wasn't on the scene insisting he didn't, and a handgun was found on the scene afterwards, so. Probably shouldn't have shot him but benefit of the doubt
@@DalionHeartTTV Verifiable by what?
Max Haupt I never get the benefit of the doubt when I shoot suspicious people in the back...
These series are so crazy to me because I grew up on that exact same tv screen
“An officer doesn’t fire his weapon at someone who is just running away...”. Surprised he said that with a straight face.
I believe he said should never, not that they don't. It's something that should not happen.
@lygophile I didn't quote him exactly, but they come to mean the same thing. "It shouldn't happen" is the same as "Should never happen." He hesitates when he says it, because he knows it does, but it should (not/never) happen. They're interchangeable in this context.
Key word is "just"...generally they aren't "just" running away when they get shot
Actually shooting a fleeing felon is legal.
@@JJ-nu8qi because they’re so dangerous. Right.
as long as he had reason to believe that person is a danger to the people around him, TN v Garner says thats perfectly okay
"1985 TN vs Garner: you shouldn't see an officer fire a weapon at a person who's simply running away"
Hes wrong you can shoot fleeing felon even says it in that case.
@@JJ-nu8qi He's not wrong but he didn't fully explain the case law, I don't blame him though, it's not his fault that the internet is full of morons who don't know anything.
He says shortly after an officer can if the suspect is a potential public danger
Tumbely Jones is a great actor. Right next to Harroldson Ford
Hahahahaaha
The detectives in Joker got plummeled hard
@@alexpaxton1336 The reactions to those detectives really ran the gambit of violent crimes we see today
Reminds me of the.. "Substitute Teacher" - Key and Peele Lmao!! A-A-Ron!
5:20 to clarify, an officer is only allowed to use lethal force against a fleeing suspect when that officer has an articulable and reasonable belief that that suspect presents a serious threat to the safety of the public or other police. I.E., suspect runs down a woman with a pipe and hits her in the head, police show up, he runs carrying the pipe... Police can shoot him while he's running because there is a high enough probability that he will injure or kill someone else if he escapes. Same goes for active shooters. The point is you can't use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon if they aren't a violent criminal who just recently committed a violent crime and may well do so again. In Tennessee V Garner, an officer shot a fleeing house burglar who wasn't known to be carrying any weapons or to have gravely harmed someone during the house robbery.
That's a great summary of it. I kind of wonder though if he didn't include that info, and that they just edited it out for time.
@@jek4837 true, very well could be the case. Just wanted to mention it if anyone was wondering/wanting more info.
He forgot the last part about Tennessee vs. garner either that or it was edited out. An officer cannot use lethal force to stop a fleeing suspect Unless they have reason to believe that he posses a serious threat of harming another person.
Hmm, these are very interesting tips Mr. fugitive detective..
...I'll be sure to keep these in mind...for things....
He was on some episodes of the First 48, that’s where I recognize him!! Respect.
I watch him on the ID series 'reasonable doubt'
Was expecting an actual fugitive to provide the commentary. Slightly disappointed
4:41 "So, that's not a skretch of he imagination." 5:07 "That...is a skretch." What the..., lol
The US has different accents 🤷🏽♀️
@@Itsrainingcatsyall You're confusing diction with accents.
Gott get up and skretch
5:15 Wow weird, huh
Research and understanding the law is key in this instance.
Kinda crazy how stupid you are... The case law states that an officer can't use lethal force to stop a fleeing suspect if the suspect is NON-VIOLENT.
@@itb4255 they’re not stupid , just uneducated about the topic.
“You shouldn’t see an officer firing a weapon at a person who’s simply running away”... This guy must be a rookie.
Yea, I hear about it happening a lot.
Not really, he is saying it shouldn't happen, not that it doesnt happen.
It depends on the situation if you just killed someone and now you're running away yes you will be shot if you were running away 'cause your shoplifter you most of the time won't get shot cops are trained to use the use of force model which says if you're not posing a threat you're not going to get shot.
I remember this dude was on a reality show I wanna say 08ish. It pretty much detailed how him & his team went about locating & hunting down his fugitive. I believe the name of the show was called “Manhunters”
Love the way he says tommy lee jones
*Tennessee V. Garner:*
"Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
Sounds familiar, doesn't it....
@@troy3423 no, not at all, explain please.
Harrison Ford didn’t pose a threat tho
And yet...
@@littlemar22 "fugitive"
can we get some captions on these videos, these type are my favorite
PE was never my strongest subject, I would suck at this job. 😅
imagine it your job to wrestle with huge guys that take steroids and are bigger and stronger than you, and unlike you, has absolutely nothing to lose. no thanks. not even for money. easier ways to earn a living.
"That shouldn't happen." He had his eyes closed when he said that.
These were pretty spot on. I'm a little disappointed that he didn't call out Bourne giving away his location. I've always hated that scene because of it.
5:35 unless of course they fear that they may cause harm
"Tomily Jones" 😂 The way he says it🤣
These Skillshare courses are really getting out of hand
This series of #Vanityfair are awesome 👏 more please this is good
To bad they didnt have him review Seven
That's a pretty nice vase, Vanity Fair. Pretty nice.
Love the old 70's filter on the Joker movie.
Shouldn't happen, but happens all the time
i could listen to him for hours
I love the lady screaming her brains out at 8:00
Garner point is wrong. They absolutely can use lethal force on a fleeing suspect if the suspect is a danger to others lives. Which Harrison Ford was believed to be.
Im sorry but i started laughing when he said ”you shouldn’t be seeing an officer shooting a fugitive that is just running away”
Yep
Pigs murder dozens of people on mere suspicion as they are running.
ACAB
TheDancerMacabre
If an officer believes that letting the fugitive getting away would put others in danger, they are allowed to shoot said fugitive.
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
He himself sounds like GTA NPC who'd give you heist
Tennessee vs Garner
Our host was correct, but he left out a key detail: UNLESS the officer/agent has JUST CAUSE to believe that allowing the suspect/fugitive to flee would put the officer/agent into greater harm or would greatly and needlessly jeopardize the public safety.
One of the better reviews! Thank you!
Who knew Daniel Cormier also has an alternate career as a detective, next to his UFC career?
😂🤣😂🤣
Hunting down Bones after he ran over another woman
3:34 so... well deserved the Oscar for Tommy
Can he train all the terrible cops
“What is this joker not in handcuffs?” Comedy! I know that’s right!
18:56 This is what it was like in real life when he was arrested for tax evasion.
After 200 million dollar heist Frank is on RUclips.
17:42 "air quotes"
idk how i feel about this
Love Reasonable Doubt! The show on ID channel he’s done for years
A police sniper killed my brother. He was holding some people hostage and got shot for it. He had murdered his 3 roommates, then traveled 8 hours to kill is ex-girlfriend. He took her and her dorm mates hostage after shooting his ex in the foot. He was definitely a danger.
i am srry for your brother
@@tonyman1106 I appreciate that, but you don't have to be. He...had issues (obviously) and his death was a net positive for me in a lot of ways.
That's metal
wild. "Do the dishes or ill kill you" to the extreme. Sorry you had to live through that situation.
I'm sorry this happened for the victims, their families and your family.
Obviously your brother had mental health issues that went unchecked, it's a shame for all involved that he didn't receive the help he needed.
Nobody else is gonna talk about how Leo DiCaprio said he was the flash in catch me if you can?
He sounds like when I'm trying to make my voice really deep
Chris was awesome!! Gotta get him back if you can!!
9:33
Is that The Flash?
Yes, that's a minor plot point in the film that DiCaprio's character likes Flash comic books.
Wasn't expecting Boondock Saints to show up. Here's a like just for that.
U.S. Marshall's was such a bag of crap trying to make the dame movie. Wouldn't it have been much better to see Tommy's team chase a guilty person? One that is dangerous and smart?
He got Tennessee v. Garner Bass akwards.
at 2:58 "They begin to plummel him"... Plummel?
Ya that was a "skretch"
Awesome chap, thanks for the great info.
How does Harvey cartel look the same as he did and Thelma and Louise as he does now
Shoulda shown “the other guys” clip
Sequel? Se7en and "Lethal Weapon" are conspicuously absent. Couple of the best manhunt/chase movies ever.
I was really hoping he'd do Se7en.
Me reading the description: YES THEY HAVE THE FUGITIVE ON HERE!
Why didn’t this man gave a review or 3 out of 10 rating of accuracy in the films
I could listen to him say Tommy Lee Jones forever.
Ohhhhh I thought he was a FUGITIVE investigator. Not a fugitive INVESTIGATOR..
THIS IS THE SAME INTRO AS LARRY LAWTON xD
They should review each other.
Harry was trying to distract Scorpio.
In other words, keep him focused off the kids and all.
Anyone else agree with this?
Anyone else who agrees can say so and/or give me a 👍.
Has a detective ever fallen in love with a fugitive?
Wesley Snipes was caught and ended up serving time.
lol @ how he makes the video his resume at the end
Maybe he can train our police...
I own movie legend I Billie Jane One of my favorite movies I watch it all the time Thanks for Including it
So the tactical error in joker was before police had standard training . In then 70s I’m sure it was a lot worse
Shoulda had him critique Johnny English lol