Interogating the Engineer on the 3.0L Diesel for F-150
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We take a much closer look at the new 3.0L Turbo Diesel for the F-150, including the design similarities and differences with the 6.7L Power Stroke, unique design components, and changes that had to be made to make it fit and work within the F-150.
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I have a 2021 3.0. I love my truck. Max towing package and a 6.5 ft box I am Canadian so our gallon is slightly larger than my good neighbours to the south so our numbers will differ. Your gallon is 3.78 liters and an imperial gallon is 4.5 liters. I travel 128 Km to work and back. That is 76.8 miles. I consistently run 8.4 liters per 100 km. This works out to 33 miles per gallon. This is as good as any commuter vehicle and I get to drive a full size pick up with all the functionality and capability that a truck offers for the same as most drive in their very limited mid size car. I also have 20 inch tires, all terrain KO2. Thank you Ford. Did I say that I love my truck?
I have a 2018 with 140,000 miles and it has been rock solid. I was sorry to see the 3.0 discontinued, I'll have to go back to a GM truck now.
I learned a lot by watching this. Very informative. I bought a 2019 f150 diesel new in 2019 and still have it. It has 77800 miles on it and runs great no issues. Hope to get 300k plus out of it. Great fuel mileage.
I have a 2019 f150 3.0L powerstroke, bought it from the east coast (I live in AZ). I think I have a exhaust manifold leak at 40k miles... that's going to be like $1100 fix...
@@silv3rbl4d3s1 should still be in warranty
I have one F-150 with this engine, it is amazing smooth, silent and powerful... the diesel economy surprise me easy more than 23/27 mpg (city/Hwy) in a 4x4 with 275/75R18 weel
Design life of the engine according to Ford is 150k miles, yet people complain about the oil pump belt on the 3.0 Duramax needing to be inspected at 150k.
And now the belt is holding up so well that they pushed the service interval out to 200k miles. And putting the belt at the back of the engine turned out to be intelligent. Comparing labor hours to replace the belt on the 3.0 Duramax, its less than the labor hours to replace the oil pump belt on F-150 2.7 Ecoboosts and 5.0 Coyotes, which are at the front of the engine. Nobody thinks about all the stuff you have to remove to get to a belt on the front of the engine. Even just to get the timing chain cover off requires moving a sht ton of stuff.
It's not realistic, I have a 2018 with 130k and doesn't use a drop of oil, runs beautifully while delivering 33-38 mpg highway and 23-26 city
Very natural, easy to follow, thorough and informative interview. I like your other videos as well.
Ford USA may have dropped this engine from the F-150 lineup, but Ford Australia has adopted this engine into the Ford Ranger. Alas, this engine is not making it into the upcoming USA 2024 Ford Ranger, but is available in Australia and some other markets for right hand drive Ford Rangers, which is assembled in Thailand. The V6 diesel is also going into the 2024 VW Amarok, assembled in South Africa.
Folks. I hate Ford and Ford diesels more than anyone, but "design life" DOES NOT mean something is garbage. No one, NO ONE, makes anything with a design life of many hundreds of thousands of miles. I don't think anything has much more than a 200k mile life....but that doesn't mean they don't last longer. I think a 12v Cummins only had about a 150k mile design life, and they routinely are well north of 800k and running strong.
Thanks for commenting - you are very correct.
Honda has had design life of 300,000 for the k24a 2.4 gasser and they are ready to junk at 315,000. Just saying from experience. This 3.0 diesel will be junk at 200k
Who cares what you hate. Takes all credibility away from what followed next.
*with maintenance
The Ford/International 7.3 was a good build overall. Still see MANY in service with contractors and municipalities. I know guys with 500k miles on them and still going.
She was more nervous than a bag full of cats
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I'm stealing this one.
I disagree; I feel she did a bang up job of explaining the motor and seemed very confident to me. I'd hire her in a heatbeat.
It was probably just a long day and she was trying to remember everything to bring up. God knows I couldn't do that crap.
so they actually took the europe lion v6 engine and made it a proper fit for the US?
Yes
Hell better than the 3.0 Duramax.
Is she also making sure it can be easily deleted?
@ 4:18 "the design life of this engine is 150,000 miles" thats the second time i heard that from Ford
stickloaf that's good to know. I will trade in at 149,999
Thanks for commenting. The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)
stickloaf that is not the mileage of when the motor will be worn out it's just the suggested time when you should start thinking about having it checked and serviced
4WD Magazine what made ford put a timing belt instead of a timing chain ? And whats the life of that belt ?
@@duvielhernandez2887 as a ford owner that has no source of transportation due to a 2012 f150 3.5l ecoboost with a stretched timing chain , i fully support ford with making newer engines with timing belts, that way its cheaper and timing belts always need to be changed. timing chains were made so that you dont need to change a timing belt. but ford could never get their engines engineered to have a good timing chain system. belt life is 60-90k miles. im 20 yrs old full time college and work with 2 kids and i have no source of transportation and i cannot afford to repair my vehicle so i am using a beater car with a transmission that slips and barley works... thanks ford...
I'm sure she means 150,000 MI until you have to change the timing belts
All light duty truck engines are rated the same as this engine. It doesn't mean the engine is shot at 150k miles. The engineer of the 3.0 Duramax stated the same design life. It's the standard for passenger cars and light duty trucks. Even the 5.7 from Toyota has the same design life of 150k miles, Toyota just doesn't make a point of publicly stating that.
When you buy a ford it's like your apart of something bigger which is not a feeling I got owning a chevy for a few years. It really is a family.
10,000 mile recommended oil changes? Idk about that
Modern synthetic oils and filtration systems are up to the task, the 10 micron dual filter systems allow for 25,000 mile changes
@@Jetryder223 if that is true, then why are Ford ecoboost engines stretching timing chains and getting really bad sludge by 100k when customers change oil at 6k-8k? If they change at 3-4k then it is fine. I see so many people say synthetics you can go 10k, but I see so many engines destroyed early from lack of oil changes, or changing at 5 or 6k.
@@galatians515 because thats a gas engine, diesels dont have spark, burns cleaner
@@joeygallegos3503 haha, there is so much wrong with that. First it isn't because of spart that the oil is better on diesels so you can do longer intervals, it's because gas is a solvent and diesel is more of a lubricant. And diesels have just as much a problem with timing chains, it's just that they are built stronger to handle the extra torque, so you don't have to replace them quite as much. And diesels don't burn cleaner, they have just as bad, if not worse emissions then gas engines.
Only 3-5k intervals with synthetic... only do 10k if you're lazy and don't care about shortening engine life
Great job!
Great video! Thanks for the update.
Your welcome and thanks!
Need it in the expedition max please
You bring bring up a cool notion. What if you could pick any vehicle and then choose any engine?
Definitely needed for mpg in expedition. Maybe a bit of a excursion come back?
Is it same crankshaft like at Land rover????
No, the crankshaft has been redesigned, reinforced
Nice explanation 👌 👍🏼
VW tried using Variable Guide vanes for their TDI diesels...nothing but problems from the soot clogging the vanes. Basically if you don’t exercise the vanes through complete opening and closing, they will clog up. As a previous owner of a 2001 VW, I had to change turbos twice in 80,000 miles due to soot build up.
Gotta run them hard for them to keep workin… I owned 5 VW TDI’s loved them all and loved what VW paid me to buy them back. Then I waited it out for a bit and bought one Golf Sportwagon back. Gotta have at least one efficient box on wheels in the fleet
Vgt has been on diesels since 03. Ford does a sweep on the vanes after its shut down now. To keep the vanes clean.
Synthetic oil and 3-5K oil changes, this clogging won't happen
I started watching this right after watching a Bad Lip Reading video...and it seemed like this one was one too! 🤣
Unequal length plumbing to the turbo. I wonder if it will sound like a Subaru.
It doesn't have the throaty roar of a V8 with a performance muffler but it drives great - ruclips.net/video/pu2WQUNRqbw/видео.html
No it sounds good, not like a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower
Good air distribution or equal length air distribution from the air cooler?
Don’t be scared 2018, with 400k plus miles still no problem. Oil change and filter every 6k miles & no load 22mpg- hauling 17mpg. Unfortunately Ford 3.0 discontinued.
2:55 it clearly says Compacted Grapic Iron... 😂
Whats do they jave to say in regards to the crank issues?
Nice should be a great truck and engine
I really liked it.
I test drove one and it ran really good and rode very nice it just doesn't have the power I need
I'll stick with my 6.7 F350
The 6.7 F350 is a real workhorse of a truck.
Why would you compare a 6.7 to a 3.0? Those are VERY different engines for different applications learn how to compare something right
Supercharge and tune problem solved.
When will it come to market ?
They said spring 2018 - soon?!
I don’t get the design life of 100k miles. The 6.4 had a design life of 150k miles and they’d crack pistons. Deleted or not.
If I’m buying a diesel I sure hope it’ll last.
Someone from their marketing team should've been there to clear up the 150,000 service life quote... just reviewing all the comments shows people are not taking well to that comment. Does not bode will for this Diesel engine's initial impression.
Casey Cotton anyone that questions the 150,000 service est, is retarded, doesn't know what a wrench is and should stay away from the engine bay.
While I see your position, I'm calling to attention what other have already commented on. From an initial impression, you wouldn't want to ever tie a finite number of miles to an engine's 'life'. As for working on engines, I anticipate over 80% of people who would own an F150 with this engine in it would work on it, not even factoring in how complicated new diesel engines are when it comes to an actual repair vs. regular maintenance.
You're right. As I've relied before - The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)
Agreed. We all know the engine will go much further, but I'm just looking at the comments and realized no one else read into as much we do. When Ford did its test with the 3.5L EcoBoost in 2011, they did an engine tear down at 150,000 miles. I gather 150,000 miles is their service life for that engine too. They never once said 'service life of 150,000 miles though'. Anytime you say engine, life and a number of miles, you will worry prospective buyers.
Yeah just wait until people find out that Toyota gives the 5.7 V8 a "design life" of 150k too. It's the industry standard for all passenger car and light duty truck engines.
Cp4 pump???
AZIAN TRUCKMAN What else would it be? Only the Cummins still uses the cp3.
@@erikkovacs3097 by the way Fiat uses the almost indestructible CP1 to this day
DO NOT GO 10K BETWEEN OIL CHANGES.
🔥🔥10K DEATH 🔥🔥
I suspect this engine might be durable and has some potential for more boost... Engine that doesn't last more than 500 000 km without a rebuild ain't worth shit, that's for sure. Time will tell. This engine might even have potential for aircraft use, as it has good power-to-weight...
Agree. Mine sits with over 400k miles
FYI no one that buys a diesel gives a shit about noise! Oh and the power and torque on this mill is a joke. Ford was ignorant to try and sell a 10 year old design. Should have used that engineering money they blew on the 2.7L EcoJoke and created a worthy diesel for the F-150. Ford's EcoBlue makes similar power and that available in an Edge. lol
I believe they worked so hard on the noise to get folks who would normally buy a gas engine to look at the new diesel.
@@4WDMagazine why would anyone even consider this engine when it's a 4,000 dollar option that is less powerful than the 1,600 dollar 3.5L Ecoboost? I'm a diesel guy and I wouldn't buy this engine.
“Specific to the F150” “unique to the F150” are these hints that the engine will be offered in other Fords?
I think she was trying to say that they didn't pull this engine from a euro truck, nor is it just a mini version of the existing Powerstroke.
@baetaeF8 I'm hoping they drop it into the new Ford Ranger.
@@4WDMagazine this is the ford lion engine, developed between ford Europe and peugot/Citroen PSA back in the mid 2000s. It has been continually reworked and updated and has been offered in various V6 and V8 configurations and various displacements. The latest developments have been pulled away from use in European ford / peugot models and land rover models and instead for bringing into the F150 / North American market for light duty pickups. This is why it has timing belts, as opposed to chains. Minimal changes (and this minimal expense) etc. Normally you'd see timing chains for an engine designed for north American truck market as that's what customers expect here for durability. I suspect that they cut corners so to speak to really test the waters and see if the interest really turns into sales. I suspect if it does, the next version of the 3.0 power stroke V6 will be a Cleansheet Design with much more in common with the 6.7 scorpion tdv8. Hopefully we see that with the next generation F series (and not this upcoming facelift).
Eventually it will be like the Chevy Duramax. 2.8&3.0 and now the 3.0 is in the Tahoe’s and other models. Obviously 2.8 in the Colorado’s.
lucky for the consumer the cabs are easy to remove.the belts will be easy to change out .if the engine life is 150k with 10k oil change no wonder it has a short life.I don't care what the Manufacturer says id change oil n filter every 5k and religiously do the Maintenance on it you'd get 250 to 300k from it.
poppacapinya -- and don't let the truck use its auto stop/start - that will add life to the engine as well
I'd say that turbos gonna go before anything else. I mean that's what I'd expect
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I just bought it i love the truck! I’ll never get to 150k miles with out buying a new truck Pretty sure why they designed it like that and only in the Lariat or higher packages
If you've seen any videos fro chevy and dodge, they say the same thing. They're saying that in ideal conditions, no major repair work should be needed until 150,000 miles and so on.
Whats the design life of the ecoboost and 5.0 engine?
Gemini Dakota 150k I believe. It’s confusing why Ford releases design life to the general public. It’s a catch twenty two, On one hand Ford can say well it’s got 180k so that’s great. On the other Ford can say well the engine has 160k you need a new one. Please pay us 10k.
We haven't had an Eco-joke make it over 100k. lol It's called Planned Obsolescence. All Manufacturers practice it.
House of Diesel many many 3.5 ecoboosts have returned great mpgs and also made it beyond 150,000 miles with little mechanical trouble. The Ecolab company just bought 256 more '18 f150's to replace their aging 14's with 3.5's. They went with mostly 2.7's this time because of the extra couple extra mpgs but a lot of their roughly used 14's w/ 3.5 EB had 120-160k on them. Sure, some owners (I'm one of them actually) have had trouble with their ecoboosts but Don't lump them all into one generalized basket.
150,000 is the industry standard. All the manufacturers go by that, except for maybe Rolls Royce and shit like that.
I bought my used 2014 Mercedes-Benz Turbodiesel sedan with 59,000 miles. It now has 86,000 miles. If my engine had a design life of 150,000 miles, that means that in only 61,000 more miles, I would need to re-engine this vehicle. What does Ford Motor Company say about the cost of re-engining this pick up truck? How much does it cost to purchase a rebuilt engine for this truck? $9000? More? How much? $12,000? Also, what about the downtime? Who is going to reimburse me for my truck being out of service? This is coming from a man who loves Ford vehicles. Toyota had an advertising campaign a few years ago where they had customers with 300,000 and 400,000 miles on their original engines. I think Ford made a huge public relations gaffe by publicly stating the design life at only 150,000 miles.
Can I put at least 500,000 miles on this engine with no major repairs?
Yes. Working on it. 2018 with 436,000 miles no major repairs.
@@carlosjimenez630
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With good maintenance 3-5k intervals and synthetic oil , absolutely 100%
Why would you run timing belts? Being a diesel it is an interference motor, she conveniently left that out. I'm also confused as to why you'd run a direct drive fan with a novel clutch design (ever had an AC clutch fail?). Twin electric fans would work just fine with the advantage of redundancy.
150,000 miles designed life of engine. Is that right?
The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)
I was wondering the same thing.......
4WD Magazine and Whats the design life of the 6.7?
250 on 6.7....150 normal on f150s ...it’s just a parts ware target...should go much farther with good maintenance...
4WD Magazine thank you for clarifying that.
Why 3.0? Why not 3.5 or 4.0? Nissan has a 5.0 cummings in there titan.
I would like to see a 4.0L.
I also hardly ever see any Nissan Titans anywhere, despite being very nice looking and nicely equipped trucks. The F-150s on the other hand, I see EVERYWHERE every day. There must be a reason for that.
500cc per cylinder is apparently the most efficient size. They went with efficiency here not monstrous horsepower. Chevy and Ram went this route as well.
Michael Chan just like morons you see them everywhere too. ;)
Michael Chan But in all reality Ford trucks have been made since 1917. Nissian only started making trucks back in 1999. There is no way that the titan can get a good name yet. Unlike the F150, Ram & Silverado which have the masses at their beck and call. Hell even the Cheap ass Garbage that Toyota makes is starting to catch a name. Only took them 81 years.
It failed on TFLtruck.On the Ike gauntlet
Cory Coulter only because they drove it like idiots and overreved it for to long
You never push any engine that close to redline for that long
that was pre production tryck that had issues. go back and watch the redo with the production truck
So it’s supposed to last to about 150k miles?
I think they mean odds are good it will go that far before a major service.
That's a common standard it'll live to even with extreme abuse and neglected oil
So, This "new" diesel motor is going to last for 150,000 miles. Can anyone say 6.4 ! Great job Ford, another throw away motor. ..
The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)
Read and learn before you make yourself look stupid now shut that fat moff boi
Timing belt interval is 150K not engine life 🙄🤣
This is not enough motor for a full size truck. TFL Truck could not maintain the speed limit with a load.
Then TFL Truck needs a heavier foot because I had no problem.
I take tfl expertise with a grain of diesel. Their numbers and tactics are not always up to spec
They weren't using the accelerator. The transmission downshifted too far during engine braking and the engine hit the redline at which point it went into limp mode. It happened both times they tried.
Erik Kovacs tfl truck fails to understand what engine breaking is for, and their test is designed to cause the engine to fail. Failsafe kicked in, to prevent damage to the engine.
the single trucker The engine didn't fail. It over revved and reset after 10 min. Engine braking is not very good on a diesel because it has no throttle. Other makes use the variavle vane turbo for engine braking but Ford doesn't for some reason.
She sounds like she know a few things. Now tell us the real reason Ford used a timing belt on a diesel truck engine.
She knows the pamphlet she was given to memorize...
A diesel with a 150k life? Most diesel owners expect their diesels to be barely broken in at 150k for a 300-500k+ lifecycle
not sure what she means by that. is she saying injectors will need to be changed and throttle body cleaned and it will keep going?
@@bazza2540 belt change interval
Many over 300k now, this is the timing belt life at 150k
I been on the Wed looking 2 see about getting a crate Engine in a 3lt Diesel for sale A engine doing only 150.000miles this days is not a lot I have a 00 L200 with over 246.000miles
Timing belt why didn’t this guy be like wtf is this?
Maybe he's familiar with the 5.4 3v and 3.5.
Why does she sound so nervous?
She also needs to blow her nose. She’s so stuffed up.
150,000 miles?? Well..that sux...
It'll go that far without even changing the oil lol
Is this engine lasting only 150000 that’s not good for a long hauler like me, this truck will last me only 4 years. Then a new engine??? Are you serious Ford?
They have designed and tested it so that normally you wouldn’t have to touch a bolt in that engine besides regular oil and filters etc. And then, what it needs is a timing belt.
TIMING BELT 150K 🙄🤣🤙🏽
very disappointed in the mpg on this engine. At first blush, it sounds good but rating based off 2 wheel drive single cab. When you add on the crew cab and 4x4, clearly not worth the extra up front cost as well as maintenance cost with only 25 mpg. I love Ford but I call this engine a fail.
Slice OfLife i get pissed evertime I don't make 26 mpg in my 17 3.5l tt when I tow 4k lbs plus junk in the bed and back seat. Burns me alive. Then again, I read the fine print that says 26 mpg under ideal conditions.
Diesels nowadays don't have that much more maintenance costs. Fuel savings offset any extra maintenance like DEF or more expensive oil. An apples to apples comparison of the crew cab 4x4's shows that the diesel blows away the ecoboost's mpg especially while towing where the gap widens to about 50%.
It's too bad all manufacturers promote the mpg on a trim that hardly anyone buys. It's like 2wd 2door only exist for the marketing mpg.
That's where the diesel shines. It will save big while towing.
4WD Magazine In hindsight this is obvious. When was the last time you saw a gasoline class 8 truck? 1965? In the late 60's early 70's the trucking industry shifted to diesel almost completely and it wasn't because of torque (steam engines have more torque) but fuel efficiency. Fuel is the number one cost to the transportation industry.
I thought she would say something I have not heard before.
Holy crap! 150,000 miles and throw away!?
Nate Hawkins 150k is only when it needs to be serviced not worn out
Jondavid Bristow um What service would it "need" at 150? That's not service its engineering goal mark.
Nate Hawkins timing belt and injector cleaning is what my dealer told me
Jondavid Bristow Never heard of any way that service would "clean" injectors...not sure if that dude knows what he means by that. So many salesmen have no idea what they're selling today.
Nate Hawkins I have a buddy that owns a diesel shop and he has a machine that will pressure clean the injectors
well the first thing that needs to be known is how to delete all the shitty emissions gear the day after its out of warranty
he so wants to hit that, lol!!!!
No no no, happily married and in lust with my wife.
garbage motor because it utilizes front and rear serpentine belts.
ONLY 150,000 MILE EXPECTED/DESIGNED SERVICE LIFE???????,,,,,,I am disappointed, BIG TIME. I would expect a minimum of 500,000 miles out of any diesel,,,,,,shoot, I have had gas engines that have gone more than 200,000 miles
german engine right
We like to talk about North American vs Japanese vs German, but these are all international companies now.
British
Ford engineered and builds this engine for LandRover/Jaguar. They modified it for heavier work in the F150. Ford supplies LandRover/Jaguar with there version of this engine.
So she actually watches a lot of other people work.
Bad idea written all over it. Just step up to the bigger truck and giant engine. Riddled with problems. Old school is better.
150k service life? No thanks, I’ll buy a coyote V8, Ford.
Guess what ford says the expected service life of the 5.0 is? 150,000 miles. They don’t mean it’s how long it will last it means that’s when they should be serviced. All manufacturers put similar numbers and mileages of life on their engines to include the coyote, 6.7 etc etc. just FYI :)
150,000 miles only? Jajajajajajaj you should learn from japa ese engine manufacturing then!
150,000 Miles really what a POS...Rubber band engine that is now a long line of crap modern Engines
Only 150k miles that's a shit engine
Throw away engine! Sheesh. Glad I ran into this video before buying .