Comparing 3.0L Diesels to Find the Best
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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A head to head comparison of the 3.0L Diesel engines now offered for 2020 in halftone trucks. The result will surprise you! We review the Ram EcoDiesel vs Power Stroke vs Duramax.
Results are in for the new GM 3.0L diesel. This new engine now has the top spot for fuel economy in a half-ton at a staggering 33 mpg hwy, and a solid 23 mpg city. While the numbers go down in a 4x4 to 23/29, they are still way ahead of the competition. In a 4x2 Ford is 22/30 but slips to 20/25 in 4x4. The 2019 EcoDiesel is 20/27 in the 4x2 but we expect the 2020 version to be significantly higher now that Chevy has set the bar so high. Surprisingly, fuel economy in the diesel Silverado is also better than GM's own midsize - the Colorado/Canyon. Truck design has a lot to do with fuel economy numbers so we can't give all the credit to the engine design. GM said they were shooting for the top spot for fuel economy and perhaps it was at the cost of tow capacity where the 2020 GM silverado diesel sits at a max tow of 9300 pounds vs Ford at 11,400 pounds and Ram's 12560 pounds.
Is the EcoDiesel V2 in the Ram Classic a bad choice?
Still like the V3 Duramax best for the highest torque.
Not sure about their actually being a 2019 Classic with ED. Never seen one anywhere including internet search and Ram’s build site doesn’t offer it. But Ram did pump out 2018s into December and you see them on dealer lots and priced well below other comparable new trucks
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers What is a v3 duramax? Didn't know they have 3 liter diesels other than the 2020!
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers
The new Ecodiesel is gonna have more torque than the 3l dura.
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers
2020 Ecodiesel will have 480 ft lbs at 1600 rpm, Duramax has 460 at 1500.
I bought a 2019 F-150 4x4 a few months ago after watching this video I drive about 360 miles 3-4 times a month for work and I have to say I average 28-33 miles to the gallon depending on the speed I drive 60-80 mph I highly recommend the ford 3.0 powerstroke for anyone on the bubble not sure
Engineers placing belts/chains in the rear must burn in hell.
Who did that in these diesels?
Kelly Fontes the new Chevrolet Duramax has done just that!!! Must uncouple the trans to gain access. 😳
@@mrh3085 wow. thanks for that. I was considering that diesel in the AT4. No longer.. the service costs might not outweigh the gas savings. That would be something I do not have the time to do and would be a few thousand to get that work done.
Kelly Fontes it may be a bulletproof engine but we all know mechanical stuff is going to break eventually. Having to uncouple the trans to gain access to that belt makes me very nervous. But hey, if you trade trucks in every 50K miles it most likely won’t be an issue for you.
@@mrh3085 50k? Lol I have 120k on my 2005 Jaguar XJ8. Not to mention the others. I may be a micromanager but it works for me. Uncoupling that tranny is excessive.
FYI the Ford Diesel is a joint venture between Ford and Peugeot called the Lion. Its also in the US Range Rover TD6. The Ford diesel started off as a 2.7 in 2004 and increased to 3.0 in 2009. The first application of the VM Motori A 630 was the European 2011 Grand Cherokee. The same engine also powers the US Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco-Diesel since 2014. So based on the Hosts criteria of "track record", Ford 2009 and Ram(VM Motori 2011) Ford technically gets the W.
@Curtis Fleabag The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7 L (2,720 cc) and the V8 displacing 3.6 L (3,630 cc). The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0 L (2,993 cc) was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7 L (2,720 cc).
In 2003, Penske Corporation purchased a 51% stake in VM Motori; in 2007, Penske bought the remaining 49% from DaimlerChrysler and subsequently sold 50% of it to General Motors.
On 11 February 2011, Fiat Powertrain Technologies and Penske Corporation had reached an agreement under which Fiat Powertrain would purchase Penske Corporation's fifty-percent stake in VM Motori
Fiat Group acquired the remaining 50% stake of VM Motori owned by General Motors, on 28 October 2013
OH Is that so? Track record? The 3.0 Duramax is based on an Opel engine that's been around since at least the 90's. BMW has been using the exact same design since 1998, known as the N57/M57/B57. The design is the most vetted of any of them.
The Ecodiesel is a reliability nightmare. Rod bearing failures left and right. They used to say 60k was the magic number where it would either blow up or it wouldn't... until ecodiesels with over 100k miles had rod bearing failures. That's on top of several other issues with the engine.
I have 110 thousand no problem with mine. Hope your wrong. Lol
It's simply the luck of the draw,it happens with every engine gas or diesel.
@@Fab-ec8os I hope you make out okay on it too. I was interested in one until I saw ecodiesels fail on 4 different occasions due to rod bearing failures. I knew the people owned the trucks and every one of them bought the trucks new and every one of them went through their dealers for all maintenance. Two of those people always had fuel filters changed early, always bought good quality fuel, always had the engine oil changed early, never beat on the truck or tuned them, etc. The others were people I knew from neighboring towns and were in the same ATV club.
@@karlschauff7989 Thanks. Yeah I heard about the bearing problem. Which is a stupid thing that should of been fixed. Taking the lawsuit money and getting Mopar warrant just in case and a good way to sell when I want the newer version of the ecodiesel. Well maybe. Haha
@D Trip
www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-mechanical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures.html
I’m a ford guy but have to imagine that all three will do well and I think the manufactures have figured things out. As soon as the aftermarket figures out how to tweak the trucks they should be very long lasting. I think ford got smart offering theirs in lesser trims. IMO their gas brothers are reliable less expensive and can tow about the same if not more. I guess time will tell but I think midsize are great with diesel and H-D are as well. I’m not sold on it being beneficial in 1/2 tons
I think I’ll keep my 1999 7.3 f250. Almost 300000 miles,farm truck,amazing condition. The only thing ever put on it is a starter and that’s because like a dummy I winded and winded on it. I have no intention of selling it and I plan to get another soon. I just can’t justify new vehicles. You pay wayyyy more for waaayyy less.
Those old 7.3 are getting hard to find and more expensive every day.
I've always been a duramax guy, however... the 3.0 design scares me.I would rather take my chances with a rebuilt older model and see how the 2020's do in a couple years.or go gas.
GMC I6 duramax 2020 . I love this truck. Got the elevation package. I live in CO. No mountain high enough to stop it. No snow deep enough.
Awesome to hear - congrats!
2022 GMC Denali 3.0 truck best 30 mile a gallon interstates diesel Best
I stick with the Isuzu 3.0 turbo diesel, no issues at all.
That would be the duramax ain't it?
Isuzu isn't in America anymore dumbass
I have a 2004 5.9 cummins. in 2020 if I needed a truck which I do not, I would look for another 2004 5.9 cummins this truck has just been that good plus it is emissions free. thank you for your time.
Hindsight is 2020, but as a Ford fanboy, I have to admit chevy won this battle because neither dodge or ford survived the diesel competition. GM is now the only surviving half ton diesel and to rub it in, they are offering it in several trims including their smaller trucks and jeeps. I wish Ford and Ram had continued to offer a diesel powertrain in the smaller engines. I wonder if they know something about emissions in 2027 that has sealed the deal for diesel options. As a diesel owner, I hope I'm wrong.
I think the 3.0 Dmax will live on. GM needs its big fuel economy numbers. Ford stopped offering it because nobody wanted it, especially when there are V6 turbocharged gas engines that make as much or more power and don't come with the extra costs associated with diesel engines. The Ford Transit diesel was discontinued in 2019 but the remaining inventory dealers had still outsold the F-150 diesel. That's how poorly the diesel F-150 sold. Ram likely discontinued the EcoDiesel because of the combination of a damaged reputation and the fact that their turbocharged gasoline inline-6 was nearly ready and would outperform the ecodiesel. They're betting that the ecodiesel wouldn't be worth investing in emissions updates if 99% of consumers went for the inline 6 option.
Far more important to me is how dependable they. Far more important how quiet or a coupe of MPG or so. 2014 rams had a terrible time with EGR sooting the engine to destruction. DE F taking out other very expensive components. I just don’t have that money to throw away. Of the three, which do you think is the most DEPENDABLE. And thanks for the info. Nice overview.
Time for a new review.
This current video was very good and informative.
this is the review i had been waiting for. i still love the front end design on the ram eco diesel. this was one hell of a review, thank you.
So here we are a year later. Any revisions to this ranking?
I know of 2 GM Duramax engines with overheating issues within a year and 30k miles.
@@kellyfontes7757 Do other engines demonstrate similar distress?
i have a 2016 ram eco diesel. i had the def removed and computer reworked. it has 300 hp and 320 ft pounds of torque. plus i get 33 miles to gallon hwy and 27.5 city.
One of the strong points for the Cummins has always been its straight 6 design. I would put my money into the GM for that reason.
How about Cat diesel? They're inline too.
@@TexanUSMC8089
True, but I was thinking of pick-ups.
So would re-word my reply saying I would put my money into GM for the fact it is an I-6 design
Im a ford guy but I like what gm did going for an inline design
The Dirty max pulled a Cummins . Straight 6 turbo.... Genius
I have a 2018 Eco Diesel... it's in for a new engine! Bottom end gone out of it 117,000Kms on it! This is after just replacing the cooler! V2 is garbage, great when it runs but mine has been parked for weeks fighting with Chrysler! Never again will we be get an Eco Diesel. Our company bought 4 from 2016 to 2018... all 4 have had thousands of dollars in repair... my 2018 is the only one left. (Only because there is 2 years left on the lease!)
Only issue I have is 3.0L Duramax has chain driven instead of gear driven
But too early to tell but. Gear driven is better choice
When is the 2021 laiart f150 3.0 diesel going to be realesed for sale to the public.
I've had a 2014, 2016 and now a 2018 Ecodiesel. I have loved them all. Very happy with the fuel economy! I traded my 14 and 16 at 110,000kms. This got me into a new truck with a similar payment. I had a hemi before and it was costing me $1200 per month in fuel, the ecodiesel has consistently been around $600. I drive 5 to 6000kms per month, so the diesel makes it more affordable.
David Pritchard I too have had a 2014, 2016, and a 2017 all with Ecodiesel. I’ve had no trouble with any of them and get good fuel economy. I just purchased a new 2019 Ram with Hemi Etourque. It is great. I use about 20% more fuel than Ecodiesel but it is extremely smooth and quiet. The cost of diesel is typically about 20% more than gasoline. But the oil changes are way less and no def. I was very happy with my Ecodiesels but this new Hemi E is very very good! The truck itself is absolutely outstanding! I suspect that Ram will continue to improve the drivelines in the future possibly putting the 6.2 or 6.4 naturally aspirated in the 2020 or 2021 model. They are trying very hard to beat Ford and the June sales number has beaten Silverado and GMC combined and now breathing down the neck of F 150. Ram engineers are on a roll to dominate with the best equipment available.
Thanks for the info - great to here from someone with real worl experience owning a truck!
I wouldn't brag about reliability trading trucks in at 68000 miles...LOL
So reliable you keep trading them off before you get too close to the mileage where the rod bearings fail.... isn't much for evidence of their reliability.
@@retiresoon5639 I get it, but they have all been great trucks and gotten great fuel mileage.
The GMC 3.0 is simply amazing.
I love my truck but not a big fan of the timing belt Where you have to pull a transmission to change it
Ram is the Best.
Well I really enjoyed your video. Hmmm, I don't know if customers and owners feel the same about the EcoDiesel reliability. Two words. Oil cooler (failures). VERY expensive and is the Achilles heel of the VM Motori engine. I really hope they fixed it properly in the V3!! I think I would try the Duramax out of the three if I were to pick one tomorrow :)
It’s a shame all these motors are gone they’re far more efficient than their gas siblings and could you imagine a hybrid system on a diesel you’d be able to pull 30city mpg possibly more than 35 mpg on the hoghway
For some reason you seem to think the Powerstroke is a relatively new engine - the basic engine (Ford Lion TDV6) has been around since about 2004 in 2.7litre guise and from about 2009 in 3.0 guise - there are also 3.6 and 4.4litre V8 versions as well. Over the years the engines have been improved upon and the Powerstroke is just the latest iteration of the Lion engine and still made in the same UK plant as the original 2004 version. Turbos and lots of the external stuff are updated and internally to handle the light truck market the the Powerstroke vs the Land Rover engines have thicker crankshaft journals and different bearing blocks in the block casting to cope with the larger journals. Ford US might want you believe it is a new engine but it is just a evolutionary development of the old 2.7 from 2004.
Nope inline 6 baby
I saw the belt driven oil pump in the GM 3.0, engineered to fail.
Yep. And why would they go to aluminum block?
@@stevestiffler9120 Weight, diesels are heavy, the Cumins 4BT is a heavyweight, kills the option in many applications because of it.
@@stevestiffler9120 Weight. The 3.0 Ecodiesel weighs more than a 5.7L Hemi.
Getting the weight down helps with basically everything.
If they keep the weight of the 3.0L Duramax to about the same weight as an Ironblock LS? Then they don't need to spend the money to adjust the suspension tuning. I mean, for every suspension package Dodge or Ford might offer (Base, off road, more off road, sport[?]), where the diesel is also offered? You need two suspension SKUs, one for the gas option, one for the diesel. It could save GM a hell of a lot of money if they only need one SKU per package.
Then there's the fact that less weight helps...almost everything. It helps with economy, acceleration, braking, handling in general. Less weight helps tires last longer, etc.
If Isuzu/GM engineered this engine well (discounting the belted oil pump), it could be great. No, it won't have the longevity of a CGI block, and it doesn't need to. Remember, this is a "light" duty diesel. If you want a diesel that can run for 1 million miles, before you need to crack it open and rebuild? Get an engine designed to do that. Get the heavier duramax, get the cummins, etc.
Looking to buy the baby PowerStroke for fishing duties
Just picked up a 2020 ram ecodiesel sport. I would've gotten a chevy rst i6 but I don't like that they have the timing belt facing the fire wall
Ram.... I love my 15 ecodiesel
I would go with the Inline diesel. Simpler design and well balanced by design. Hopefully its a reliable unit, we will see.
I wouldn't buy the first year but I do agree with you. being an inline 6 instead of a v6 it should have a more reliable track life and a longer life. Only time will tell.
I would love GM to throw the 5.2 Isuzu 4 cylinder diesel into a1/2 ton truck or their 3/4 ton commercial van that would be a nice engine. That 5.2 turbo diesel supposed to last 375K before a major failure in 90% of their engines. On the plus side that engine has been around for a long time.
I’ve looked into that engine it’s going to be nothing but problems I’d never buy it. First and foremost aluminum block on a diesel engine. Big mistake! And there’s a lot more problems with that engine that I don’t have time to mention now.
If that dirtymax came with a manual transmission....
I'm interested, now get them out there & sell the crap out of them!
Nope only the co-developed 10 speed with "manual mode" in M tap up/down +/- on shifter is available only and i think its a good feature (GM guy myself)💪👍
2020 trail boss 6.2 with 10 speed. 435hp and 470 pft. My choice
I was at the Dodge dealer a few months ago to get service on my 09 Ram 1500 gas model. I have 255k and running strong. However, I'm looking for a new diesel and the service guy said to watch out for the 3.0l diesel, they are having a lot of problems with it. Now I wish I asked if that was gen 2 or gen 3.
I'm rootin' fer the Duramax.
Here we are going into 2023 and the Duramax 6 is going to be the only one in production...
It would have been better if you didn’t include the v2 ecodiesil because a lot of people don’t want to buy a classic . 😓
40 ish MPG using Canadian gallons. Is possible for the Duramax with a 3. 21 rear end .
Ram has warrantied several hundred ED’s a month in the early days 2014-2016. Yikes!! To be honest I’m not sure the numbers for last few years. I just got rid of my Jeep jk due to very little low end torque. I would just get pissed off roading in the mountains. I think I would roll the dice on an ED in a jeep. To bad they never offered a Hemi. They would have sold 100,000 wranglers a year more if they had.
Re JK. Agreed. I’m looking at a supercharger for mine.
Where did you go for details about the 2020 Ecodiesel V2 and Classic Ram being available in 2020? Your graphics are a bit misleading.
a little more maintince cost ha greatest understatement evor!!!
I'm just hoping that the 3.0 diesels make their way into SUVs. Diesel suburban and Expedition would be a whole new world of competition!
Already in jeeps
sons of liberty yeah but jeeps aren’t for everyone
I would buy a Yukon XL with a diesel. But getting 12mpg with the gas version is absurd.
OHHHHHHH YEAHHHHH MAN !!
@@kellyfontes7757 it may be absurd but who buys a large SUV for millage?
I wouldn’t buy any of these overly complicated maintenance and repair time bombs. I’ll be going with Ford’s new 7.3L push rod gas motor. Simplicity equals reliability in the long run.
That’s true!
Sure you can spend it all on gas
About 8-10 mpgs on the highway though so good luck paying that long term. Unless you have E85 available in your area
@@MitchJohnson0110 if you’re spending 70k on a truck you can afford gas.
@@Zach-td5mb well the 7.3 only comes in the 3/4 ton and the 3.0 only comes in 1/2 ton so which type of truck are we talking about
Yo tengo una Silverado 2021 and I love it. Silenciosa rápida y fuerte. Diésel economic 28 por galón. Muchos dicen que da más pero a mi es lo que me a dado.
By far the 3.0 Duramax has exceeded my expectations in a half ton truck, I love mine! It’s very powerful, it isn’t loud but it has a great sound to it. It really pulls hard when you ease into the pedal. Also the straight 6 engine design has been a tried and true most reliable design in history, with less moving parts, less vibration and lots of low end power. I have been a Ford guy my whole life but I have to hand it to GM on the half ton diesel because I absolutely love my Chevy!
I just bought a Chevy CCLB LTZ with the 3.0. Great powertrain. Smooth, monster torque, and surprisingly quiet.
An overlay of all the torque curves would have been useful.
I can’t put faith in any gm engineering
I think I'm gonna go with a 97 12v Cummins cuz its more reliable than all 3 of those truck and can go a million miles
We aren’t in 97 anymore.
I love my 2015 Ram ecodiesel, 120K miles and a few nice upgrades. MPG hwy 29, city 23, avg 25. Towing our travel trailer, it averages 15 mpg. It doesn’t disappoint!
Sounds great, the new ones have me suspicious as to what they will do to increase service frequency.
How are the running temps when towing?
Bill Malec stumped him
Had one. It gets hot! Have to watch it like a hawk. It pulls great but they didn't give it enough radiator.
Bill Malec ik that’s why he didn’t answer lol. Or else he has no idea how to even check the temps and has had his gauge cluster on the same screen since he bought it 🤣. Agreed too small of a radiator, trans cooler hasn’t been adequate for some people either. The thing is FCA doesn’t care, the ram is made to be a car. Granted that’s what the majority are used for, but hey I’m buying a Godamn truck and it better deal with being a truck. Did yours have the air bag suspension package?
I'll never understand why "quiet" is a concern when buying a diesel engine.....
Own a second gen ram 2500 and you’ll know why😂😂
I'd imagine it's nice at first but hearing it all day every day it may get annoying to some.
Yes, I think sound is a plus. My friend bought a 7.3 back in the day just because it sounded cool.
@@josephlopez7593 Do you Roll Coal Bruh?
I love a noisy diesel.....
They are all way OVERPRICED for me!!!
Tedinski b52, yeah me to. That’s why for the money if you want to stay stock I’d do a 94-97 7.3 Powerstroke and the 94-97 12v 5.9 Cummins. Or do a 90s F150 Cummins 4BT build, or a 90s F250/350 Fummins Build w 12v 5.9 Cummins.
They’re not that expensive and the GM costs the same as the 6.2 gas engine.
@@michaelbenoit248 If you want to see over priced, come to Australia. Silverado 2500 is available here for..............you might want to sit down......... $125,000 in USD. Our government considers it a LUXURY car so it gets a 33% extra tax.
@@Ozgrade3 HOLY FUCK!
Question when can I import your 4-door Falcons?
They are definitely all OVERPRICED. I was so let down when they brought the ranger to the US and didn’t bring any of the things I liked about the European market version. No Manual Transmission, no diesel options, no wildtrax, and they redesigned parts the didn’t need to while not addressing the issues people cared about. And all the body rework just made it more expensive per copy. How the messed up such a winning combo I’ll never know.
When picking a diesel you always have to go with proven reliability. How many times has someone promised a good diesel and it turned out to be a junk.
Whic do you prefer?
That’s why I’m not buying Dodge does eco-diesel’s are not good motors
Cummins 5.9 / 6.7 or CAT and if i can find a Perkins maybe...
Pls lend me $70k so I can purchase a diesel pick up... thx
Eli Kess these trucks start at around 40k atleast for chevy
More like $50k Not a bargain
The dealers can call up the banks to “lend” you the cash. Make sure to have good income and credit. Thx
Ram ecodiesel are 32k right know in ohio
Go flip a LOT of burgers 😄
Why ford? Why use timing BELT in your diesel engine, instead of a chain, with chain being maintenance free?? why?
chains wear out too
@@derrickodyes1934 I disagree, chains do wear off - but it will take 500k miles for chains to show "signs" and WILL NOT cease the engine. A belt will NEED to be replaced at 100k or the engine will cease.
it's just the efficiency in packaging why i think 🤔 they went with belt plus some of the competitors use a rear timing chain set to get the packaging right.. while other use rear chain and belt.. so if that's the case then i would rather just go with the Front timing Belt and be done with it..
It's OK, Chevy drives the oil pump with a belt. LoL
Joe Brown I would rather do 1 timing chain removal at 400-500k than 5 timing belt / water pump services lol they are not cheap.
Inline sixes in the agriculture and highway diesels have always trumped the V 8 offerings for .torque and reliability , the 855 Cummins engine had few equals . So let s see how the Duramax fairs in 2 years .
Also, inline 6 cylinder engines are inherently very well balanced. That's one of the main reasons why BMW's 3.0L inline 6 has remained on the Ward's Best 10 engine list for decades.
Be Wary of any Chevy! The Aluminum block is Crap. Only the steel will last.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 BMW has doing aluminum block diesels for a decade, I haven't heard of any block issues, just be sure to use right coolant + distilled water!!! The Aluminum is just there to hold the steel sleeves anyways.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 The GM LS engines are excellent. It is the best most versatile out there.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 That's the same nonsense that was said about the heads on the 6.6 duramax before it's introduction in 2001. The aluminum holds up just fine.
LOL...so you give a nod to the engine that has already been redesigned 3 times in less than a decade and has been sued and had to settle a class action suit with its current owners....and call that a 'track record'...Makes sense...idots.
I'm excited to see the inline 6 making a comback. It's a more stable platform and seems like more makers would be using it. Hopefully, it will get more popular with designers
The inline 6 engine is a marvel of engineering. Now that the car industry is over the compact packing fear era, they can finally utilize it again in trucks/suv's and sports cars alike! It's really hard to make a bad inline 6.
All 18 wheeler semis are inline 6s, name it Cat,Cummins,Detroit ect. Its about the time .
It's the best configuration for longevity and smoothness.
I guess I have followed too closely the travails of the Ecodiesel. They seem to fall prey more than most to major mechanical failure. But, of course, not many vehicle owners post to social media to say, “Hey! Everything’s great!” 😜
ram rebel overland build would be a dream with diesel. but being its first year, kinda scary.
Well, hopefully they fixed the issue with the bearings and puking connecting rods, but we will see.
Thats a 3rd gen engine no?
I agree with your choice.
The Ram is tried and proven right now. Plus, I have more confidence in chains than belts along with the convenience to reach those areas for servicing.
plus a chain needing replace become loud, a belt about to brake did make any signal before snapping.
4WD Its a lot about that in-line six, that you missed, Chevy, has changed the game with everything about their Duramax, from emissions, to watercooler, to almost everything,, you really need to research it, before making such a video of comparison.
If you could add to your video how each engine is dealing with emissions would be great. To me that is what is scary to buy a diesel because of the strict laws on them and all the problems the extra emissions stuff causes
Love my RAM but def having an inline 6 would def make it a nicer 3.0 diesel
My sister and brother in law have 2 older duramax 1 tons. Now that they have some miles on them both they are seeing issues with the re-gen systems on them and having some issues towing related to all the emissions crap. Seeing more emissions stuff kinda concerns me. As I look at trucks to see what I would like to buy, I can talk myself out of all 3 brands listed here with issues that each manufacturer has had over the years (being a tech for 30 years kinda ruins it for you sometimes). I personally like the styling of the new Silverado the best but also like the Ram Rebel and Ford Super Duty bodies as well. It will be interesting to see how the small diesel market goes. I would prefer any of the 3 over the turbocharged 4 banger Chevy is using in their half tons.
I wish the v2 ecodiesel in the Ram could tow more than 8400 in crew cab 4wd, I'd be all over one. As of now I'm probably going to stay gasser with my next truck and get an ecoboost F150.
John Yim I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost. You wouldn't be disappointed. Most powerful gas engine in a half ton.
I will never buy a vehicle built by Fiat! Piss poor quality and I know this from my brother-in-law who owns one thats a year and a half old and he hates it and is trading it in...
I own a 2015 Ecodiesel and absolutely love it. The only issue I had was a blown turbo gasket causing a turbo whistle on acceleration. The dealer replaced the turbo all gaskets and the charge tube under warranty at no cost to me.
I will say I was hoping FCA/VM would have abandoned the V6 design and followed GM with an in-line 6. There were rumors that was what FCA was planning but they were only rumors.
I had a 2016 Ram, Laramie 1500 Ecodiesel that I absolutely loved, even after Chrysler got caught with their hand in the emissions jar. They had to pay US owners to the tune of about $2,400 and the EPA made them detune them, which caused mine to lose 2-3 mpg. It went from 27-28 mpg hwy to 24-25 average. I could still get that kind of mileage cruising 75-80 on the hwy. The problem was the turbo started whistling during acceleration. I let it go for several months and it was slowly getting worse, ( I didn't know that it could have been just a gasket).
I took it in to the dealership and they said, they couldn't even look at it for a couple of months, but told me if it was the turbo, I had to park it at the dealership so that warranty would cover it.
I couldn't be without a truck for several months, so I ended up buying a used 2021 Chevy with the 3.0 Duramax they had on the lot.
There are a few things that I don't like about the Chevy, but so far I am getting the kind of mileage that I used to get with the 1500 Ram Eco. I couldn't find any of the newer used Rams with the Ecodiesel on their lot, but I would think they would be similar in mileage and torque.
I am a Ram guy, I think the baby Duramax is going.to be the best engine. But I think Ram is the nicest truck of the three.
You're a FIAT guy.
@@kenoday7562
You are a loner because no one loves you.
@@kenoday7562 you're a pathetic spectacle
@Ron Johnson Since RAM is a wholly owned subsidiery of Fiat ...
@Ron Johnson You just made my point with your Sharp analogy.
All you have to do is drive I81 through Pennsylvania for your off road test.
Just look at the great diesels of the past. I have to go for the straight 6. Its just too bad its being strangled by emission control.
Where did you get your info?? The 2020 EcoDiesel is rated at 260/480 and will be the 3rd gen of that engine. The 2014-2018 was the second gen rated at 240/420 and the first gen was in 07-09 jeeps.
07-09 Jeep diesel was a MB OM642 like in newer Sprinters, not a VM. Gen 1 VMs were only used in Europe.
5:00 I hate to be "that guy" but really? This video seems like it is just about reading the numbers. Gm didn't design the engine, and v6 is not the classic design, i6 is a better layout, although it takes up more space and is more expensive it is inherently balanced, it also allows for a longer stroke vs bore that is better for torque and low end power.
Who designed the 3.0 powerstroke? Was it in house or sourced from Europe like the GM and Ram units?
In house
The Duramax is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu built in Ohio. The Power Stroke has been in house at Ford for around ten years. The Ram diesel is designed by VM Motori out of Italy. I do think the V-6 is a 'classic' design as more North Americans are familiar with it.
@@4WDMagazine I have no issue with outsourcing, everyone knows Cummins is a separate company, and the clarity of the vm motouri engine is great.
I don't obsessively follow Ford, I had idi trucks and drove 7.3 powerstrokes, for work although I quit paying attention at the 6.0, my understanding is the vt365 in medium duty trucks was fine, f250 f350 needed more power to compete and had mechanical issues partly because of the higher tune. I wouldn't be surprised to see their own 3.0 engine, and glad to see it.
Duramax is a name, nothing more. The 6.6 was a joint venture although I got the feeling isuzu was the designer, a great choice for GM. I've owned an lb7 and when it was lost in a wild fire I replaced it with a fully optioned lbz, eventually gm bought all isuzu commitments and took over, it is still an isuzu engine and better for it, although I wish they built an i6, it probably wouldn't sell to American consumers. I believe the 2.8 is the same although updated version of the vm motouri I have in my 05 jeep liberty, as I recall the 3.0 is a fiat engine although I could be wrong, it is Italian. Nothing wrong with that, it's the horse shizz pretending it is in house I don't care for. The 7.8 in the c6500 c7500 is a straight across isuzu engine. I have no problem with this outsourcing, but keep in mind what you are looking at.
@@4WDMagazine v6's are common in gas engines, not diesels, i think thats what he means.
@@alextrainor2552 if you follow history I6 was the common engine overall until a couple decades back, gas v6 became common in the 70s or 80s, v6 diesels are a bit of a new thing, I6 is still the standard.
"Stepping away from the classic V design..." We are talking about diesels here, right?
Ya the classics are the inline!!
Chevy.. uses a rear timing chain and a rear belt driven oil pump.. 🤔😳we'll have to wait and see how that works out for longevity 💢😬 and serviceability
and I was all excited about that motor, till they disclosed it is a diesel with an aluminum block. PASS! :-/
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The deal breaker for me is the aluminum block. That and they probably don’t offer a stick
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A GM full size truck hasn't had a manual since 2006
Change your oil often. Never will have an issue
Is Anyone saving money on fuel, when you have to give it to a mechanic to change the timing belts every 60K?? Ford & GM?? Ill take the Ecodiesel.... typical Dodge, build -it -to- last-forever...like my 2004 Hemi Durango and multiple Cummins engines
Ford says 150k for belt change.. where you getting 60k from?
Well here we are in 2021, with your odd choice, the “classic last gen Ram”, no longer available. But over a full year in the GMC/Chevy trucks? I’d go with the inline 6, over the V 6 any day. The inherent natural balance of the inline, along with the increased number of main crankshaft bearings get my vote. Yes the Ram is also nice, plus the Ford. But if I were to buy a new Ford, that would undoubtedly be the new 3.5 Eco-Boost Hybrid! But diesel would be DuraMax.
My last 2 fords were so bad that I will never buy another ford. That said I bought a Ram/W Hemi new in 2003 still have it and it is the best American made vehicle I have owned. I have also had good luck with GM products and would consider buying either GM or Ram. Even if the Chevy numbers on paper are beter the Chevy pickup to me is so damn ugly I would buy the Ram.
I just bought an Ecodiesel Bighorn, paid $55K, I was never really a Dodge guy, but this truck was like the hot chick at bar on a payday. I hope I don’t regret it.
Didn’t you? I am going to buy one soon.
You should have gotten a Laramie at that price. Look for 13k off sticker on cars.com
My issue is the emissions junk they put on these engines . That's what is seeming to make them unreliable .
Besides that . If you want the least amount of problems DO NOT buy the first year of production . Out of the 3 trucks I'd probably go with Ram because most of the issues have been worked out by now
The problem is that most of these engines aren't really first year products, they're off-the-shelf engines and are only being sold now that manufacturer's have CAFE to comply with. That V2 VM Ecodiesel was around for many years before it was used in Jeeps and Rams, and reliability has never been great. Even many of bigger HD diesel that have been on the market for years aren't all that reliable, and that's mainly because of emissions. They all have problems.
Well said. I had a 2015 ecodiesel, I waited until the second year of production to pull the trigger hoping the bugs were worked out, and I ended up selling the truck because of the emission crap! I’m a first responder so I’ll admit I would jump in the truck and hit the road immediately, so I guess gas engines are the answer for me
Jordon the 3.0 GM and 2020 Ram Ecodiesel have new emissions systems that are far better than that first generation emissions junk (all Mfgrs) that was not fully tested due to being forced & rushed to market by an overzealous gov EPA.
More good news The 2014 through 2018 Ecodiesel emissions can now be easily & cost effectively remedied through a GDE (Green Diesel Engineering) off road tune. It turns off the destructive & pointless EGR and has a far better & less problematic regen strategy. Last if & when the again forced & rushed to market by EPA EGR cooler starts leaking post warranty the tune plus a more cost effect & permanent EGR delete kit fixes it. (Penny of prevention or dollar of cure) Plus makes a more reliable more powerful & more fuel efficient truck. 580,000 miles on my commercially used 2014 Ecodiesel tuned since 30k.
On another note. People get behind their favorite engine and try to say it’s the best choice and all others are junk. Best choice depends mostly on use. I love the choice of the 3 great engines. Ram sees Hemi should be best & bread n butter choice for 70 percent of 1/2 ton buyers who prioritize speed power sound. Pentastar for another 20 percent who more use it like a car to carry family, haul, and prioritize commute economy. Ecodiesel for the last 5 to 10 percent for those who regularly tow 1/2 appropriate loads and or put on big miles and really value that 30 mpg.
You never work out issues with CRDJ crap.
Are you trying to piss off that poor Swedish girl, Greta Thunberg? If the eco-terrorists get their way, we'll all be driving electric PsOC.
The EPA has cracked down on aftermarket tuning/delete options and have shut it down with big fines since this video was made. sorry if this has already been said don't have time to read 1100 comments.
EPA sucks. Let us have our fun.
Just live in a state that doesn't do vehicle inspections. You'll be fine
A timing BELT on the Ford. Come on; that doesn't sound durable.
As long as its easy to access changing a timing belt every 100000k aint bad
Scotty says ram is junk , so not buying. Same for GM so not buying that.
lmao timing belt, and wasn't Ford just sued over false MPG numbers? Chevy using an aluminium block in a diesel with a rear timing chain? Ram is the way to go here.
Also, Chevy is using a belt driven oil pump!!!
Actually, no. Ford and the EPA reworked the fuel mileage ratings on some vehicles. The Powerstroke was not one of them. It was the Fiat guys who lied about the EcoDiesel emissions that were sued. To the point that the engines are required to go back for a re-tune, making them slower than s....
The price premium for the diesel cannot be justified. But diesels also will hold their values better though....
I suspect they build a premium margin into the diesels.
Gm sold there part of Vm motori to FCA and the power stroke in the F150 were in Range Rover for years that you forgot to mention. So I will take a Ford because there proven in Europe in the Rover.They are also getting almost 34 miles to the gallon. EMPTY.
Awesome point!
They were a lot more heavily produced in the range rovers! and I would agree with your point that they are just as tried-and-true as an EcoDiesel... Only difference really is, EcoDiesel cheated emissions to be on the North American market! The baby powerstroke didn't cheat emissions, therefore it did not pass North American emission standards.
I am super excited for the GM straight 6... I am a little bit concerned with them not using an iron set up anymore! Time will tell.
Great point,
but have you heard that FORD themselves said the life span of the 3.0l diesel is only 150k miles. To me that’s a deal breaker. If I am planing to buy a diesel is for the long run, for the miles and for the capabilities of towing toys. But if I mostly do a little under 30k miles per year this power-stroke will not last me very long.
I made a big mistake and brought the new Ram 1500 5.7l over the 3.0 Lariat from Ford. I regretted everyday. I get from a 300 mile run to work each week about 17-17.5 miles to the gal (not to mention that the Ram only takes 87 octane and above) here in El Paso TX that’s unleaded plus anywhere from $3.00 to $3.25 per gal. When I used to get between 22-23 miles per gal from my 2019 Chevy 1500.
Fast track to today Five months later and I am looking to trade it in for a ford. But once I head about that life span of 150k miles I am seriously considering going back to Chevy/gmc and trying out that diesel.
I will continue doing my research and try to find the best truck (diesel) that fits me.
Good luck to all.
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Provide us a link from Ford that states your ludicrous claim of 150k max life span of the baby PowerStroke.
@@Sig721Tau that's actually a GM issue. But it's not the engine. It's a belt located around the transmission that needs replacing at 150,000 miles.
Volvo VN780 you "heard"? Bullshit! Who in the hell (any manufacture) would say that? And who would put an engine on the market (gas or diesel) that would only last 150,000 miles? I hate bullshit "I heard" stories.
Not a peep if there are 4 head bolts per cylinder or 6 studs per cylinder? Ever hear of head gasket failure when you have 18:1 compression and 20 lbs of boost? Oh wait, remember the 6.0? It had only 4 head bolts per cylinder and numerous head gasket failures which was corrected in the aftermarket with ARP head studs and when Ford designed the 6.7 they used 6 bolts along with duramax and cummins. 4Four bolts per cylinder do not last, what do these engines have????
Inline will always out perform and out last v engines
Guess you missed that it was aluminum. Sort of have to wait for the big mile drivers to put 250,000 miles on them. Straights USUALLY outlast V engines is the truth.
@@DavidMosby ill let you know in 4years. 3.0 babymax and have already put 18,000mi in 6 months. No issues
Agreed
Which diesel engine is bigger nightmare? After warranty expires.
@Don Olypopper I didn't know that..omg .I was Honda tech and I fair share with timing belts failing before 60k mile ...I did work with other manufacturers. Iv seen lots engineering mistakes and pretty much in late 90s early 2000 lots got fixed up .i have expedite business and bunch different cargo vans ... 2 Mercedes sprinters diesels Chevy gas Dodge promaster gas ....all is junk .. problem with electrical problem with mechanical....I can't keep up . Actually diesel is total disaster . Mercedes sprinters are total crap ...we lost two engines due to oil pump failure aprox 200k miles on both ...you cant prevent it because no oil pressure light , just sizes up on you with good oil and no overheating .lol Dodge promaster gas version transmission issues emission system issue you name it it's adding up .We are running out options to find proper commercial vehicles all engineered with multiple flaws .
I have the '18 Ford. It's under warranty to 100k miles. At 60k runs like new.
I know they rate the ford diesel f150 to tow 12k, but I wouldnt tow anything over 9k with a 1500 truck.
My limit is 7500 lbs. I don't care what the tow rating is. Besides, you'll run out of payload capacity before you will tow capacity on a half ton.
@@AlaskaErik you can tow that much with a midsize truck
@@t-bone9239 Sure you can. But would you want to? You're right up at max tow capacity for a mid-size. And there's no way I'd try and tow that much.
So you posted to tell everyone of your insecurity?
@@jimmiller4667 yes
I like the track record as you had said that the ecodiesel has. The ford also has a tried and true diesel from the range rover. I'm a little concerned about gm using a cast aluminum block, that's seems like it may be the weak link to an otherwise use of best design the inline 6, disappointed.
Matt Fischer it’s Duramax, a joint venture between Isuzu and GM. Isuzu is known for its good quality diesel engines all around world, they are probably providing the technology.
I wonder if its gonna be like the gas engine that gm tried to make a diesel engine and I can't list all the people with their law suits against gm.... one law suit was for $8K
You’re going to choose the engine that is known to kaboom due to cam gear slipping on the shaft (it does not utilize a key way)? Seriously? Either you guys were paid by Ram, or you have no f’n clue what your talking about. I don’t dislike Ram, but buyers need to be educated. Making an investment in an engine that is absolutely 100 percent going to fail prematurely is just ludicrous.
100% fail. You sure? Or exaggerating?
Speaking of wrinkles in the Ram, the EcoDiesel's have historically had bad bottom ends with common main bearing failures. Watch out, this type of problem is not something a modern engine should be experiencing. Scarry sign of cost cutting.
Yeah, early V1 botyom end problems was not an engine problem but a factory recommended oil viscosity issue to increase mpg's. Tsb to Rotella T6, problem fixed
Dirty diesel is the biggest killer of all diesels. I have a gas filter system. On my truck and my tractor. It is crappy fuel that caused alot of issues.
It’s a new ball game with the upgraded gm inline six! Now they have a great history with almost no problems. 300 hp and 500 ft pounds torque and same mileage.
I want yukon xl with 2 liter diesel .to much power no problem i want more milage
So less power and better mileage in a large SUV? Not judging, just curious.