I've watched just about every video on this truck that came out this week from that test day Ford put on. Yours was by far the most informative and structured. I got way more information from this in comparison to the others. It's like the other guys have so many subscribers they don't even try to put out quality content. Thanks for the effort, and some of this background video clips were funny.
I have the XLT FX4 2019 w/3.0 turbo diesel. Ready lift 3 inch lift. Love it as much as my 2004 6.8L Excursion (that I bought new and STILL have). I see this truck being with me for at least 10-15 years. So many upgrades available to tweak any perceived shortcomings. Fuel economy is no joke REAL! I own and operate a farm and travel to city at times for work. All around awesome truck. BTW, got the Linkswell 12.1 inch T screen system too.
I think they will need to hold onto the diesel option for a few years, and work out how to get the price down, or make it available in every trim package before it will be a big seller. remember, lots of us are still paying for the depression we were in and are holding on to what money we have just in case.
Small, modern diesels amaze me! I never thought that we'd ever see numbers like these from relatively small displacement diesels. Seriously considering a baby diesel repower for my '98 Ranger....
@@wagoneer81 I have a 2012 Ranger crew cab 4X4 with an international Powerstroke 3.0 liter Inline 4. Waste gate turbo intercooler integrated to the radiator. Only emissions item is the egr. Factory 3 inch exhaust with no Catalyst just 2 high flow muflers. I had the ecu reflashed it went from 163 HP and 260 FP torque to 210 HP and 320FP torque. It has a powerband like an old 2 stroke motocrosser. A blast to drive at 25 pounds of boost. And it gets 25 MPG hammering full boost everywhere and up to 32 MPG driving really light.
Right I had a 2010 VW TDI Cup Edition w/2.0 Turbo Diesel only had 140 ho but 240 tq was a blast to drive averaging over 65 mpg in mostly city start and stop go traffic.. Was a great car, rare only made 1401 of the cup edition sadly car was totaled when a minivan ran into it while sitting in a common parking lot.
Right, any diesel can take a beating for a day. When emission sensors go out and exhaust filter needs replacement, all the reliability and fuel savings go out the window
I'm a fan of diesel for fuel economy and low end torque, but for 5500 extra and having to buy a Lariat or higher I have no regrets about getting my 5.0 xlt. It would take many kms to pay off those extra expenses.
Great truck! I bought it at Christmas and am getting 24+ mpg. It tows whatever I need to wherever I'm going. It was pricey, so if yer broke stick with a '94 with 7.3 ;)
Just bought a 2018 F150 3.5L, and so far have found very little lacking, except for the placement of the headlight switch and the brake controller. My XLT is as loaded as you can get without going up to the Lariat, and most of those features I have no use for, didn't care to pay the extra amount. As impressive as the diesel is, it is only available to normal consumers in the Lariat and above versions, so you have to pay the premium for that level of indemnities, then, you have to pay extra for the diesel engine. For me, it is just not worth the premium price, and I think Ford would sell a lot more of these if they offered the Diesel to consumers and not just fleet costumers in the XLT and lower packages.
I feel Ford are thinking negatively in their approach, they'd be better to have it available in more models and then be able to reduce the price premium somewhat in anticipation of the cost savings for producing larger volumes of the engines and other specific components.
It's because some people don't need an HD. If you aren't towing anything of weight and want a little more MPG and ride comfort, the F150 is great. And the same trim packages in the 250 still are 10k+ more. Which, then i would say what about the 3.5L ecoboost, but that even costs MORE than the 3.0L Diesel with less MPG. It tows more, but the MPG drastically falls when towing with the 3.5L. I drove the F150 with the new 3.0L, and I must say I am VERY impressed. Had to stop throwing out the PowerJoke term now I feel in love with it. Just not the price, but it is quality.
@@@Davido50...stopped at a light in town and the guy next to me had a silver F150 powerstroke. Said he got 23 mpg in town. Could even hear it-while talking window to window in my 3.5 explorer
In Australia we have the V6 diesel in the Ford Territory very good engine and the i5 in the ranger also a good engine we have 250 of them in the fleet were I work most 4x4 give a very good run.
I have a diesel 150. I use it as a commute vehicle for 80% of the miles. i regularly tow in the summer and atv and a canoe. I put on about 35,000km or 21,000 miles per year. It is a 2021 and now has 51,000 km or just over 31,000 miles. It rides like a cloud. I have 2KO tires on it and I regularly get 34 miles/gall(imperial) on a daily commute of 124 km or 70 miles round trip. I love my 3.0L and have no idea why Ford stopped manufacturing them. it is, in all that I do, a marvelous vehicle. I fish from the logging roads of northern Ontario and have no worries in my vehicle preforming there. When you are two hours in from the highway it has to work.
Seriously? Design life of the engine is only 150k miles? I'm on 292k on my 7.3 and my friend has 440k on his 6.0. So double the fuel economy, but not even half the engine life.
This engine with some tweaking could’ve been a great option and Ford has the ability to compete with Ram and GM in this category. I think they gave up too quick on this engine.
I traded a 2011 F350 6.7 dually King Ranch which I absolutely loved. However, I am not towing my very large and heavy 5th wheel anymore but still have a couple of trailers that come in around 8000 lbs fully loaded. Haven't had a chance to test these out yet with my 2018 3.0 L Ford 4X4. My fuel mileage is mind boggling compared to the other truck mentioned - of course. Since this is my daily driver, I am very happy. Have seen as high as 31 on highway. So far no issues with anything but then again I only have about 10,000 k on it. It is a very quiet truck as well as very comfortable. With regard to price, after haggling with my dealer there was only about 18000 difference with trade which included my tax of 13 % and dealer prep. The MSRP was listed at $76,000. Nope, nobody is going to pay that so stop suggesting that is the price. Maybe in the mid 60s without trade but this is a fully loaded Lariat. Not quite as nice inside as my King Ranch but just as comfortable. With regard to acceleration, it is just fine and can pass anything on the highway at highway speeds in a very quick fashion. I also have a 3.5 eco-boost Flex and there is no comparison - but - I drove some high powered muscle cars in late 60s early 70s and those beasts would not come close to my eco-boost. Lets not compare a 250 hp diesel with a 365 hp twin turbo gas in a much lighter vehicle. All in all, this is a great little diesel half ton pickup. It does the job with great efficiency and comfort. It will pull comfortably without continuous shifting because of its torque rating. Pulling anything over 10,000 lbs with a half ton is like the tail wagging the dog. Don't do it. I have had Ford & GM diesels and each have their own good and bad. I am not brand loyal. I go with the best deal for what I need my vehicle to do. In this case, it was Ford. If you wish, I will comment again after my trip to eastern Quebec pulling my trailer with sleds - full size stand up inside 20 footer.
Ford is the king of trucks by every measure! Great thorough review & assessment. I'm sold. Can't wait to get my hands on one! It's a race for 2nd best among the rest. Again . Now the new Ranger is coming out too! Great job Ford.
one one the biggest advantages of diesel which is seldom mentioned is time savings. You get much more range between stopping for gas, and less frequent oil changes. The time savings over the life of a vehicle amounts to a free vacation.
A 2000 7.3 can go 750K miles. This engine is a 150K engine.....really🤨 Comparing apples to oranges..... Did I forget to tell you, there is no timing chain or belt in the 7.3....straight cut gears.... straight cut gears.....
they don't use gears on the smaller diesels because it's quieter to use a belt or a chain and 90% of the people buying these trucks care about shit like the noise the truck makes over how it actually tows/hauls.
Our first 6.7 never made it to 100K. The turbo failed several times under warranty then an injector failed and welded itself to a piston - the engine literally tore itself apart. Over $14,000 in repairs.
The photo of the road that winds up after the mountain side at 5:40 is from Norway. It's called Trollstigen. I do not live so far from here. If anyone wants to come and see this and other nature experiences, give me a message and I can recommend wonderful routes in Norwegian nature 😀 By the way, this Power Stroke F150 is on my list when I'm replacing my Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2016 3.2 diesel in a few years.
Great video and thank you for your honesty. After watching a dozen videos from the Ford F150 Power Stroke event and reading a half dozen articles, I have come to one conclusion... This motor is for people who tow large trailers. Period. For me, it would be a waste of money and a huge hit in my commuting "time" budget because this truck would not have the beans needed to pull out and pass a slower vehicle as I travel through the mountains of western Maryland and West Virginia. The 3.5L EcoBoost with a 36 gallon tank would give me the same range plus I would have the ability to overtake vehicles easily in the mountains as I do with my current V8. Any savings resulting from an increase in fuel economy would be lost in the extra expense of maintenance of the baby PowerStroke along with the added cost of DEF and the seasonal winter fuel additive. As I do not tow large trailers on my regular trip through the mountains, there would be no benefit for me owning this motor. So, the decision has been made and my next truck will have a gasoline motor and a 36 gallon fuel tank.
@D L. If towing even 7-8,000lbs you'll see a massive difference between what the 3/4 and 1 ton diesels have to offer in pulling power and the ease with which they can handle such loads in terms of brakes and suspension. The 1/2 ton diesels seem like a good idea on paper, but when you look at the prices compared to the heavier duty larger engined trucks, they don't make sense to me.
Thanks for the review. ford never took a government bailout. It shows in their improvements. Chevy did. It’s funny when Chevy tries to sell their trucks with lies. ‘Most awarded’ “longest lasting on the road” “or my chevy tells a story” all lies. Ford won LeMans twice to prove a point to Ferrari. Just because, with our GT40. a Ford man for life! I am considering the 3.0. If I can start a fleet truck program to get it in the xlt. If not will get the 5.0. We are growing as our fleet will. Full size will always be a Ford. Just look at emergency vehicles, mostly Fords.
D & M Roofing and Sheet Metal LLC Ford is king of trucks hands dwn ur right. That's all we run too. All bought new F150s w/Ecoboost. Run em hard and maintain em well never let us dwn . We ordering a new '19 F150 3.0 Powerstroke for the boss. Ford strong!
Ford got 23 billion in loans from major banks later bailed out by taxpayers and still went to washington 2 years later. GM paid out between 1990 and 2005 more money in health and retirement benefits than most countries. Ford dominates in pickups GM/Chevy in cargo vans. Those dorky narrow Ford European vans aren't catching on.
Dodge out sells Ford in what area? Dodge can't make fleet sales because no fleet owner is stupid enough to have large numbers of Dodge vehicles lined up outside their shop awaiting repairs while they are needed for road use. The 2.7, 3.7 and 4.7 engines were junk and ruined any fleet sales for Dodge pickups. The repair costs are just to high. The 3.0 Dodge diesel was a complete disaster that is still ongoing. The 3.6 is a huge improvement over those engines but it takes a while to live down the legacy of decades of crap reliability.
Dan Thurston this last year in the heavy diesel pickups they almost did . If you take away fleet sales dodge almost out sold them with a big Cummins. For guys are finally getting tired of the motor blown up every 90,000 miles cough up 20k grand. There is a guy in Texas who had 18 out of 20 6.0 trucks go down one hot summer day. Probably never heard about all the lawsuits either that Ford had against them for people dying in their ambulances when the 6.0 blowup. I work in heavy equipment construction every company I know of has a row of blown up 6.0 6.4 junk . I actually like the ford truck itself. Motor is junk . I’ve done hundreds of thousands of miles hot shotting with Dodge Cummins manual tranny. Seen fords litter all over the highway constantly. I’ll keep my Cummins. I’ll use the same motor that a peterbuilt has .
Saw one of the new '19 3.0 diesel F150 FX4'S today while fueling up my '17 F250 SD. The new 3.0's look slick, I know a few of my boat owning friends could use one. Hope it works out well for Ford Motor Company... Those new F 150 Diesels look clean....
grumpy old fart A lot of people are learning that the "diesel is better" lie is just not true. It was all made up by the manufacturers to sell their expensive designs. All the power in the world is useless if it's broke down needing ANOTHER $2000 in repairs. I can buy a new engine for my old truck for that much. Big rigs use Diesel engines but those aren't the ones they are putting in pickups. You really can't beat a simple and reliable gas engine.
Jimmy4x4 Socal thats the recommended interval change for timing chain and tune up not the engines life span just like on a crown vic it says to change timing chains at 150k but most people got anywhere from 300k to a million miles without it. It's not required its recommended im sure you can drive this truck well past 300k with basic maintenance... Learn before you comment.
I think if you buy this engine you like wasting money. The 2.7 bests it in hp and only down 40 ft lbs and the 3.5 produces something like 90% of its 470 ft lbs from 1,800 rpm and 90% is 423 lb ft with a higher tow rating and no DPF, DEF, EGR, SCR Etc. So this truck will end up costing you thousands more literally for a couple of ft lbs of torque. Not to mention it has a timing belt and another belt for the fuel pump. I’m a huge ford fan but not this time. They should know better than just slapping a Range Rover engine into a F-150.
ze3bar, you forget the extra cost of owning a diesel, fuel cost more, maintenance cost more, the motor cost more, at a 6 mpg better than gas you will never recover the extra cost.
I pull a ToyHauler which weighs 8000 - 10000 lbs and I couldn’t afford the extra weight of a Diesel engine in an F150 since it would decrease my payload capacity. The 3.5 L has pulled the ToyHauler 23000 miles over mountains without issue
Ford should be dropping this into suvs and big heavy cars. Timing belt is a bad choice though. By the time the engine pays you back you’ll have to basically rebuild it
I purchased mine and have 1,000 miles on it so far. Mixed towing, 4500 lb Boat and 1500lb Quad. Average 19.8 MPG. :) So far I love this truck. Can't wait to get it out on open road to see how far I can go on one tank. I Live in Western Pa near Pittsburgh Pa. So we have hills/ stop/ start a lot. Glad I did it. My advise. Just send it!
I think they'll be lucky to get 5%. Diesel is currently running 80-90 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded here in Central Texas. There will probably never be a financial payback for spending the extra $3000 up front even with the better mileage. And that's talking apples to apples, if you're not looking to buy a Lariat or above already, it makes no financial sense whatsoever. Now, some people will buy them because they like diesels and/or were looking to get a Lariat or Platinum anyway. More power to them. But for most of us who live in the real world, the upfront cost doesn't justify itself with a cost savings down the road.
2 1/2 months so far with my own 18 f150 diesel (Plat. Trim). The amount if driving I do to not only get to work/jobsite (highway) and the amount if engine hrs while on site (city type of driving) I have zero complaints so far. The transmission configuration makes me a tad nervous especially with the control module but the gas mileage is much better under the same driving conditions (downing or free drive) vs my old 17 f150 eco boost. So far its worth the money. Just waiting to do some extras which people have yet to come up with. Feel free to comment with questions or if you've heard of a legitimate aftermarket dealer
Yes I’d like one and it’s nice to see Ford 150 with a smaller diesel. I hear a lot about the Cummins 2.8 liter 4 cylinder.Going into various vehicles as a retrofit. Overseas in South Africa and Australia you see a lot of Toyota and Mitsubishi pick up diesels which sell very well there as I’m sure they would In the States if they were available. I hear that Mitsubishi is considering introducing a small pickup with a diesel. The 200 I think it is.
The cummins 2.8 is the worst engine in cummins history. It as a super bad reputation in China. If you buy it as a retrofit kit they will give you 90 days warranty. Which mean that you will run out of warranty before having finished your swap. There is a tons of 3.0L from reputable manufacturer in Europe and Asia. It's too bad that Toyota don't offer their 4.5L Twin turbo v8 diesel in the tundra. It's the emission law that make most diesel not viable in north america.
@@dlamardeyoutoube the toyota diesel 4.5L V8 is meant to be only on the almighty land cruiser 70 series. Is a low-stress engine with few hp and decent torque, that engine is meant to last decades, not to perform en speed or towing heavy loads
You forgot one thing. Yes this truck is great for someone who tows around town or pleasure. But what about someone who uses the truck as a commuter over 100 miles a day. And doesn't want to buy fuel every 3rd or 4th day of the week. I have a 2014 Ram ecodisel. And that is exactly what I use it for. Even with the higher price of diesel over gasoline and the price for DEF at the pump. I'm still looking at a savings of almost 100 gal of fuel per oil change cycle. Or rughly $400 or more dollars a year in fuel costs and only stopping for fuel one time a week. So savings in time lost stopping for fuel.
Sean Fritz lol huge savings of $33/month and the 10 mins at the pump . If those savings mean something to you , u prolly shouldn't be driving an expensive truck like this
Hrsplit Hr well when you look at my last truck and do a real world comparison. I am saving money and time. So let's look at it. My last truck was a 2001 5.2 2wd quad cab with a 26gal tank. Average was 17mpg. Now the new Ecodiesel is 4x4 outdoorsman crew also with a 26gal tank and average of 23mpg and about 2,000 more lbs towing. And if you think the truck is expensive you're quite wrong. The outdoorsman was a mid trim level. And I also got it used. So do a bit of research before comments. So in short this truck has saved me 100 gal of gasoline I would have been buying with my last truck to do the same amount of miles in the diesel.
Sean Fritz so in about ten or twelve years you will have made up the difference. Makes sense. Hope you're not paying interest on a truck loan you might hand to go 15 to break even
Good video. Damn 40 mpg. No matter how they drove to get that that's pretty crazy. I own a business and I have quite a few diesels and i always tell everybody your mpg is based on how you drive and of course the weight of your truck and the altitude you live in. And I would say whether deciding to buy the 3.0 diesel over the 3.5 EcoBoost is kind of like deciding whether you want to buy the 5.0 over the EcoBoost and if it's worth it.
Adam Brydon yes I know that's what the EPA has it rated at but if you watch the video the guy said they had a challenge to see who could get the highest fuel economy and a couple of them got 40 MPG. That's why I mentioned 40 😀
I'd take more notice of when he talks about the 11 mpg when towing. At the end of the day there's nothing magical about fuel consumption, you need to burn a certain amount of fuel to provide the necessary power to move the vehicle. I looked at the lighter duty diesels but ultimately the difference in price between them and the 3/4 ton trucks doesn't make them worth if for me. I'd rather have the stronger frame and axles of a 3/4 ton truck and the higher ride height negating the need to use aftermarket lifts. A 3/4 ton or 1 ton gives you everything you need from the factory, designed that way from the factory. You get more power from a 6.7 and pretty much the same fuel economy when using the truck for things a truck is designed for.
OMG so many people don't pay attention. This 3.0 engine was designed and built by FORD for FORDS and yes they sell it to other manufacturers. Remember Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover when this engine was developed. It is code named "Lion". The timing and fuel pump belt need to be changed at 150,000 miles. Check it out on Wikipedia.
It wasn't designed for the F-150 specifically, which is the problem. The 6.7L PS is so good because it was specifically designed just for the Super Duty. Why the hell Ford didn't just spend the money on designing a brand new F-150 diesel engine is beyond me. The F-150 diesel has already proven to be a piece of shit from basically every single review I have seen. TFL got it in limp mode during a tow test. The specs are BARELY above the other engines and yet the cost is extreme. You can't get it in base models. Ect. Ford halfassed this engine.
FYI I believe the 150k service life thingis 150kish miles before it needs major components replacing, like pumps etc. We've got PSA/Ford diesels in our fleet and they sell for good money even after being thrashed for 170k miles(the mileage we replace them at due to lease/lifecycle cost analysis). The restrictions on sales availability are due to the limited number of engines available after theyve sold them off most of the 3.0s to JLR. In addition to this in many countries the difference between gas and diesel prices are neglible, as opposed to the 10-20% markup in NA.
I like the 3.2L Diesel Duratorque that Ford sells here in Philippines with their Ranger,for years now,but I like better my Nissan Np300 with the 2.5 turbodiesel from Nissan-Renault,awesome all the way.
I want the 2018 f150 powerstroke 3.0 liter V6 diesel but I won't be towning at all, maybe hauling a couple things in the bed every once in a while. what would the mpg be like if I were to drive it like a sports car on City/HighWay?
This was a solid video review. I think all of the information you presented would be beneficial and help guide me if I was in the market to buy one of these trucks.
Thanks for all of ur detailed info. I have several lawn crews, a landscaping business and a tree business here in Florida where work is pretty much year round and I use all 7.3L trucks but I’ve often wondered if my lawn crews need 3/4 ton trucks just to pull mowers around. I’d never consider a half ton gas truck just due to the reliability of a diesel engine(half of my larger mowers have diesel engines as well) but a half ton with a diesel could be a viable option for the lawns crews. I’m not sure what the prices are on those half ton diesel trucks but it’s still hard to compare to the 7.3L trucks that I usually can find for $15K. I’m currently looking for a 1ton dually 7.3L to pull a much larger dump trailer for the tree crew. All of mine are crew cab and 4X4 and it would be hard to give all that up and for that price.
It will be more expensive than a used 7.3 but you could work out the math for your fuel savings, mechanical under warranty, and see if you can get the fleet deal for an XLT. Might make sense for you.
4WD Magazine good point. It could take years and years to cover that fuel difference between my older trucks and that new truck not to mention I’d be making payments for years on the newer truck. I can afford can for the $15K trucks but not for one that’s $50-65K which I’m sure that’s what those trucks run about with that diesel motor in them. Like u said in the video, it’s worth sitting back a couple of years and let them work the bugs out first.
Ford builds world class diesel engines that will surpass cummins 1 to 2 million miles ya no shit have you ever seen a ford 200 pickup well ford builds them 1million mile 40 mpg probabley top speed in access of 120 mph
Thanks for the video, very informative. The fuel economy is not that impressive but it's always hard to accurately compare that because of different loads and roads. I average 15 mpg in my 2002 F250 powerstroke with truck camper and small motorcycle trailer. My truck is terrible off road though with its stuff suspension. 250k miles and no major repairs though has impressed me.
NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SNOWFLAKES THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS VIDEO. THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST EXPLAINED AND SHOWCASE VIDEOS PRODUCED. THANKS FOR SHARING.. AND YES, THE DIESEL ENGINE WOULD BE MY CHOICE WHEN AND IF THEY PUT IT IN THE XL AND XLT BASE MODELS..
It has more power than the 1994 powerstroke.....sorry, but that's not a reason to be excited. Everything is more powerful than the 1994 powerstroke lol.
Get an old truck. From the 90s. If you're going to do a lot of towing then they're the vehicles to get. The 460 7.5l gas V8 or 7.3 Diesel V8. They might be expensive to drive on a daily, but your gas mileage doesn't really change while going highway speeds whether you have a load or not.
Just got a RAM Ecodiesel, Laramie, with all the bells and whistles for a shade over 40k. I got 24+ mpg on a 600 mile road trip through hilly CA with 2 friends and a bed full of fishing gear and luggage.
I was PCSed to San Diego from Norfolk, and I had a 2013 6.7 that was fine throughout my life in Montana and when I was in Norfolk. But once I had to move to San Diego, it was just to much truck. So I traded it in for a 2018 3.0 Lariat Package. After driving it for a while, I truly believe Ford it’ll take sales from the other engines and from Dodge as long as Ford puts it in the XL and XLT for a cheaper package options. Because most rancher and Farmers don’t need the leather interior and plushness for their work truck. Overall I love mine and I do believe it’ll be a great buy over time!
I don't know the figures for the F150 diesels, but I've owned two 3/4 ton diesel trucks and cannot claim savings in running costs, because the oil changes and other maintenance such as fuel filters adds to the overall costs considerably in addition to the more costly fuel. I run a diesel for convenience at the end of the day, when I tow my travel trailer or boat it's just so easy to hold your speed even on gradients and with headwinds, and provides such a relaxing ride on long trips. Yes getting 12-14 mpg towing beats the 6-9 mpg with the gas engined trucks I've owned, but you'd have to drive along way to recover the extra purchase price and the costs of keeping it on the road.
The only other gas trucks I'd consider would be the Chevy 6.2 or the Ford 3.5 ecoboost. The Chevy requires premium gas and the Ford will run at lower horsepower without premium.
People modify diesels. It is a reckless thing these companies are doing which is why the EPA comes down on them so hard. 2/3 new diesels randomly tested in Europe do not meet emissions standards from modifications or lack of maintenance. Diesel is being banned in major cities as it has been proven to cause birth defects, and cancer of all sorts. The particulates are so small they penetrate every organ in your body. In Europe the term "everything in moderation" no longer applies, people are sick from diesel, it is an epidemic, just research it and look up the W15 from Workhorse with electric drive and not range limited, it destroys any current truck made today in power and fuel efficiency which is why Ford is moving to the Mach 1 program.
It sounds awesome other than the fact that it has no passing power. If it is faster than my Grand Marquis I want one. Time to trade my work car known as the rolling couch for a truck. I know I want an F-150, but deciding on which engine.
250 hp and 440 ft of torque......honestly that’s not very impressive, I own a 2005 6.0 liter powerstroke that has 325 hp and 570 ft of torque sure I get 13 mpg around town but on the highway I get 16 mpg and with a little tuning I can get 16 mpg city and 24mpg highway. And the greatest part is it doesn’t cost 70,000 dollars and it only has very few emission devices, I think this was a big flop for ford.
For the price cost , I can’t in anyway justify how the 3.5 eco boost is not a superior option. The advantage on diesel is of course economy , but with maintenance , significant cost , not really any better towing the the advantage of economy is none unless you literally tow long distances , frequently to justify it .
D L. As far as reliability yes , but can’t justify the cost . Now if I was getting a 3/4 ton truck and towing 10k often I would go diesel all day long. These half ton diesels cost what you can pick up a lightly used 3/4 diesel for
D L. That really depends , with the incentives sometimes you are better off buying new when you can get it thousands off the sticker . I have actually seen 1-2 year old trucks for sale the same price you can buy a new one negotiated so it really does depend . There also times used is better , just depends on time of year , incentives how market it is.
`Ford was all set to introduce a 4.2L diesel engine in the F-150 back in the 2009 MY, but backed out at the last moment. I know that they built at least 50 prototypes and did some retro-fitting at Roush Industries in Livonia, MI in the Spring of 2008. I wonder whatever became of that engine design and why they backed out at the last minute??? I would love to know the rest of that story...….
I am looking into getting one of these in a couple months. Just retired and want to haul an rv and do the perimiter of the country. I'm in south florida, have a daughter in connecticut, sister in oregon and cousin in central california. Let ya know how it goes.
I mounted my rear view camera using a $15 attachment which fits the existing rear view mirror bracket and the slot in the back of the monitor. I just remove the mirror and mount the monitor, which is wired through the upfitter switch. The power cord is hidden under the windshield molding. Just another option for your viewers.
You might be disappointed, EPA changes in recent years have made it much harder for aftermarket tuners. Look at the Cummins diesels there were all sorts of aftermarket things for them but once you get past 2014 models there isn't much available. Also bear in mind that this is already a much higher tuned engine producing what used to be the stock power for engines of twice the displacement so they are already "tuned". No doubt more can be achieved, but you would be running some high levels of boost etc. to achieve it and likely lose reliability.
I think that ford missed its ideal market for this engine. The thing is, this engine should be an option on all trim levels. A lot of sales likely go into people that use the truck as a truck. Contractors, construction crews, small businesses that tow as part of the job like landscapers. And very few of those are going to go to a lariat or king ranch trim level on a work truck. In Canada, an xl pickup with an 8 foot bed costs $33k with the 5.0L V8. To even get into the diesel, you need to go up to a lariat trim level which means a smaller bed, and supercrew model. This knocks the price up to $58k. That is a huge dent on a business' bottom line. That cost difference effectively nukes any potential savings that the diesel would have offered. It just doesn't make sense. Go with the 5.0L v8, or 3.5L EcoBoost.
Thanks, me too. I was hoping they would tell me they had put some extra real world testing into this engine in the F-150. But the only response I got was 'we did the usual testing'.
You will NEVER get your money back over the base engine. 3000 dollars more, more expensive maintenance and higher fuel prices. Only designed for 150k miles.
2007 F-250 CrewCab 6.0L Diesel PowerStroke...OK had a man do a 100% one of a kind tune, K&N Filter and After Market water filter system, no egr delete, no cat delete nothing extra. Mileage well my best @73 mph at night, cool no wind towing a empty steel 20' car hauler flat bed......38 MPG! No lies here. OK Pulling a empty 30' HD very heavy flate bed Gooseneck trailer to Austin Texas......75mph (all test have A/C on) I got 17-19 mpg, Loaded up 5 - very larger 20 and 30 ton commercial roof top air-conditioners stacked two high. Ok heading back to West Texas with load, this is "Hill Country" 70-73 mph I got 12-14 mpg! I love this truck and it been doing this now for two plus years. Why can't Ford make their do this? Again no reason to lie or fudge I am happy and plenty of witness to this. Have a Great Day
These are not sold in Europe but the smaller pick up trucks, Ranger, Hi Lux, L200, etc are and if more than 5% of them were gasoline I would be surprised. Fords estimate of the diesel having 5% of sales is laughable to Europeans or indeed anywhere outside of North America Only time will tell..
Diesels have always been much more prominent in Europe and are just about "compulsory" in suv's and pickups because the economics of ownership are completely different when gas is $8+ a gallon and diesel is often slightly cheaper. With those fuel costs a few extra mpg makes a big difference.
I have 4 Fords in my fleet. Two gas and two diesel. Buying Ford diesels was one of the worst business decisions I’ve ever made. Until they get rid of the diesel particulate filter or make some serious changes, I won’t buy another one. Seems logical they wouldn’t put their new diesel in the XL trim level. They are afraid it can’t hold up in a work truck. Ford makes great trucks, but their Diesel engines are money time bombs! I’d buy this truck and sell it before the warranty runs out.
Dude they test these things extensively. As a shareholder at Ford we strive to bring u quality innovative products from day one. "Quality is job one". Believe that!
They will top the 5% a lot of people like diesel engines that just didn't need a 3/4 ton or 1 ton and this is just a real techie truck with cameras and backups assistance knob. Now I love my setup on my own 2017 Chevrolet Silverado LT 5.3L 4x4 it has a 6" lifted sitting on 35's with diffs changed out to 4.56's and custom tune a pro tune and not from $600 preprogrammed tuner I can get at 65 mph I can get 20 mpg. With that being said I wanting to trade it in for a F150 new Diesel cause I just don't care to pay the 9.5k upcharge for 6.7.
If you truely think a 3.0 modern diesel produces more harmful emissions than a 5.0 v8 gas engine then you need to check again...
“The black smoke emitting-“ shows a black woman smoking 😂 yo what
I stopped the video at that part and came straight to the comments to see if anyone else noticed it 🤣
388 pound comment. Shows obese woman! Hahah
Legit howling at the audacity
I've watched just about every video on this truck that came out this week from that test day Ford put on. Yours was by far the most informative and structured. I got way more information from this in comparison to the others. It's like the other guys have so many subscribers they don't even try to put out quality content. Thanks for the effort, and some of this background video clips were funny.
Thanks for that, really appreciate it.
I have the XLT FX4 2019 w/3.0 turbo diesel. Ready lift 3 inch lift. Love it as much as my 2004 6.8L Excursion (that I bought new and STILL have). I see this truck being with me for at least 10-15 years. So many upgrades available to tweak any perceived shortcomings. Fuel economy is no joke REAL! I own and operate a farm and travel to city at times for work. All around awesome truck. BTW, got the Linkswell 12.1 inch T screen system too.
I think they will need to hold onto the diesel option for a few years, and work out how to get the price down, or make it available in every trim package before it will be a big seller. remember, lots of us are still paying for the depression we were in and are holding on to what money we have just in case.
There are so many new truck options out there now. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
Anyone slamming this diesel has never experienced the torque on a modern turbo diesel.
Small, modern diesels amaze me! I never thought that we'd ever see numbers like these from relatively small displacement diesels. Seriously considering a baby diesel repower for my '98 Ranger....
@@wagoneer81 I have a 2012 Ranger crew cab 4X4 with an international Powerstroke 3.0 liter Inline 4. Waste gate turbo intercooler integrated to the radiator. Only emissions item is the egr. Factory 3 inch exhaust with no Catalyst just 2 high flow muflers. I had the ecu reflashed it went from 163 HP and 260 FP torque to 210 HP and 320FP torque. It has a powerband like an old 2 stroke motocrosser. A blast to drive at 25 pounds of boost. And it gets 25 MPG hammering full boost everywhere and up to 32 MPG driving really light.
It's a good truck for its purpose! My f150 3.0 diesel 4x4 gets 25mpg
Yup you said it I test drove an f 150 turbo diesel even thought the horsepower was low, it had a lot of torque
Right I had a 2010 VW TDI Cup Edition w/2.0 Turbo Diesel only had 140 ho but 240 tq was a blast to drive averaging over 65 mpg in mostly city start and stop go traffic.. Was a great car, rare only made 1401 of the cup edition sadly car was totaled when a minivan ran into it while sitting in a common parking lot.
The only way to test durability of these trucks is to utilize the test of time
real world - real people, agreed
Right, any diesel can take a beating for a day. When emission sensors go out and exhaust filter needs replacement, all the reliability and fuel savings go out the window
this engine has been out overseas for a decade bro. Do some research before opening your mouth.
@@Trumplican I'm not sure if they have the same emissions shit on them over there. The epa standards are very strict in this country
I'm a fan of diesel for fuel economy and low end torque, but for 5500 extra and having to buy a Lariat or higher I have no regrets about getting my 5.0 xlt. It would take many kms to pay off those extra expenses.
I agree it needs to be in the lower trims.
Great truck! I bought it at Christmas and am getting 24+ mpg. It tows whatever I need to wherever I'm going. It was pricey, so if yer broke stick with a '94 with 7.3 ;)
Put it in the "Ranger"!!
I like the way you think!
A new badass version of the old 80's perkins diesel Ford Rangers!!
yeah and sell it here in asia .. and dont forget to junk those new ranger raptor 2.0 biturbo ... thers no replacement to displacement ...
ford ranger in asia has 3.0 diesel :P
@@ravenguirao9081 its 3.2 inline 5 .. but im questing that the new engine for the ranger raptor will eventually replace those 3.2 i5 ..
Just bought a 2018 F150 3.5L, and so far have found very little lacking, except for the placement of the headlight switch and the brake controller. My XLT is as loaded as you can get without going up to the Lariat, and most of those features I have no use for, didn't care to pay the extra amount. As impressive as the diesel is, it is only available to normal consumers in the Lariat and above versions, so you have to pay the premium for that level of indemnities, then, you have to pay extra for the diesel engine. For me, it is just not worth the premium price, and I think Ford would sell a lot more of these if they offered the Diesel to consumers and not just fleet costumers in the XLT and lower packages.
Thanks for commenting - good real world advice - and nice choice of truck/engine.
I feel Ford are thinking negatively in their approach, they'd be better to have it available in more models and then be able to reduce the price premium somewhat in anticipation of the cost savings for producing larger volumes of the engines and other specific components.
Have 2 diesels, HD Duramax and a BMW. I don't see the value proposition here. For the price, why not get the F250?
Exactly
BrianNC81 this is equally as high tech and strong with liter duty and less price pt . Mine is on order already loaded Lariat in ruby red!
It's because some people don't need an HD. If you aren't towing anything of weight and want a little more MPG and ride comfort, the F150 is great. And the same trim packages in the 250 still are 10k+ more. Which, then i would say what about the 3.5L ecoboost, but that even costs MORE than the 3.0L Diesel with less MPG. It tows more, but the MPG drastically falls when towing with the 3.5L. I drove the F150 with the new 3.0L, and I must say I am VERY impressed. Had to stop throwing out the PowerJoke term now I feel in love with it. Just not the price, but it is quality.
@@@Davido50...stopped at a light in town and the guy next to me had a silver F150 powerstroke. Said he got 23 mpg in town. Could even hear it-while talking window to window in my 3.5 explorer
Bc the F250 don't get 24 mpg
Fords 1st diesel was a 6.9L international engine in the 80s
Idi
the 6.9 wasn’t built by ford bud. this 3.0 was built in house designed by ford
i believe the 6.0 was fords first designed in house engine... explains all the issues i guess eh
Alex In New West cool video
@@austinrichardmusic6351 The 6.0 and 6.4 that replaced it were both designed by international
In Australia we have the V6 diesel in the Ford Territory very good engine and the i5 in the ranger also a good engine we have 250 of them in the fleet were I work most 4x4 give a very good run.
Would love to see them put a powerstroke in the expedition. We pull a travel trailer with ours, having the extra torque would be nice.
I have a diesel 150. I use it as a commute vehicle for 80% of the miles. i regularly tow in the summer and atv and a canoe. I put on about 35,000km or 21,000 miles per year. It is a 2021 and now has 51,000 km or just over 31,000 miles. It rides like a cloud. I have 2KO tires on it and I regularly get 34 miles/gall(imperial) on a daily commute of 124 km or 70 miles round trip. I love my 3.0L and have no idea why Ford stopped manufacturing them. it is, in all that I do, a marvelous vehicle. I fish from the logging roads of northern Ontario and have no worries in my vehicle preforming there. When you are two hours in from the highway it has to work.
Seriously? Design life of the engine is only 150k miles? I'm on 292k on my 7.3 and my friend has 440k on his 6.0. So double the fuel economy, but not even half the engine life.
That's the timing and fuel pump belt service intervals.
The engine is based on landrover, should last a very longtime.
*1D10CRACY* your nickname kinda fits you
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This engine with some tweaking could’ve been a great option and Ford has the ability to compete with Ram and GM in this category. I think they gave up too quick on this engine.
Plus they were offering too many engine options in this category…
There is nothing like a Toyota hilux 3.0 turbo diesel
I traded a 2011 F350 6.7 dually King Ranch which I absolutely loved. However, I am not towing my very large and heavy 5th wheel anymore but still have a couple of trailers that come in around 8000 lbs fully loaded. Haven't had a chance to test these out yet with my 2018 3.0 L Ford 4X4. My fuel mileage is mind boggling compared to the other truck mentioned - of course. Since this is my daily driver, I am very happy. Have seen as high as 31 on highway. So far no issues with anything but then again I only have about 10,000 k on it. It is a very quiet truck as well as very comfortable. With regard to price, after haggling with my dealer there was only about 18000 difference with trade which included my tax of 13 % and dealer prep. The MSRP was listed at $76,000. Nope, nobody is going to pay that so stop suggesting that is the price. Maybe in the mid 60s without trade but this is a fully loaded Lariat. Not quite as nice inside as my King Ranch but just as comfortable. With regard to acceleration, it is just fine and can pass anything on the highway at highway speeds in a very quick fashion. I also have a 3.5 eco-boost Flex and there is no comparison - but - I drove some high powered muscle cars in late 60s early 70s and those beasts would not come close to my eco-boost. Lets not compare a 250 hp diesel with a 365 hp twin turbo gas in a much lighter vehicle. All in all, this is a great little diesel half ton pickup. It does the job with great efficiency and comfort. It will pull comfortably without continuous shifting because of its torque rating. Pulling anything over 10,000 lbs with a half ton is like the tail wagging the dog. Don't do it. I have had Ford & GM diesels and each have their own good and bad. I am not brand loyal. I go with the best deal for what I need my vehicle to do. In this case, it was Ford. If you wish, I will comment again after my trip to eastern Quebec pulling my trailer with sleds - full size stand up inside 20 footer.
How did that go just curious? And have you had any major issues with the truck if you still have it?
Since this was 3 years ago, how are things now? Looking at buying used one with 30k on it.
I got over 450,000 miles out of my 4.9 inline 6-cylinder in my 1990 F-150 XLT LARIAT,without any issues at all so far as leaking or burning oil.
That's awesome. I assume you were on top of the maintenance?
4WD Magazine I changed oil once a year in it.I've been a Amsoil dealer since 1999 and since then I've only used Amsoil in everything I own.
Ford is the king of trucks by every measure! Great thorough review & assessment. I'm sold. Can't wait to get my hands on one! It's a race for 2nd best among the rest. Again . Now the new Ranger is coming out too! Great job Ford.
one one the biggest advantages of diesel which is seldom mentioned is time savings. You get much more range between stopping for gas, and less frequent oil changes. The time savings over the life of a vehicle amounts to a free vacation.
Less frequent oil changes you say? Ha!
A 2000 7.3 can go 750K miles. This engine is a 150K engine.....really🤨
Comparing apples to oranges.....
Did I forget to tell you, there is no timing chain or belt in the 7.3....straight cut gears.... straight cut gears.....
they don't use gears on the smaller diesels because it's quieter to use a belt or a chain and 90% of the people buying these trucks care about shit like the noise the truck makes over how it actually tows/hauls.
The engine is not new and is a beast for longevity....its 150k before any real mx to that engine which is not bad. The 6.7 is a 300k mile engine.
Our first 6.7 never made it to 100K. The turbo failed several times under warranty then an injector failed and welded itself to a piston - the engine literally tore itself apart. Over $14,000 in repairs.
Like the flathead v8 of yesterday, but the flathead had helical timing gears.
Yep my 5.9 can go well over a million these new trucks suc it's like the 70s all over again.
The photo of the road that winds up after the mountain side at 5:40 is from Norway. It's called Trollstigen. I do not live so far from here. If anyone wants to come and see this and other nature experiences, give me a message and I can recommend wonderful routes in Norwegian nature 😀
By the way, this Power Stroke F150 is on my list when I'm replacing my Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2016 3.2 diesel in a few years.
Looks like a beautiful place, thanks for letting us know.
Great video and thank you for your honesty. After watching a dozen videos from the Ford F150 Power Stroke event and reading a half dozen articles, I have come to one conclusion... This motor is for people who tow large trailers. Period. For me, it would be a waste of money and a huge hit in my commuting "time" budget because this truck would not have the beans needed to pull out and pass a slower vehicle as I travel through the mountains of western Maryland and West Virginia. The 3.5L EcoBoost with a 36 gallon tank would give me the same range plus I would have the ability to overtake vehicles easily in the mountains as I do with my current V8. Any savings resulting from an increase in fuel economy would be lost in the extra expense of maintenance of the baby PowerStroke along with the added cost of DEF and the seasonal winter fuel additive. As I do not tow large trailers on my regular trip through the mountains, there would be no benefit for me owning this motor. So, the decision has been made and my next truck will have a gasoline motor and a 36 gallon fuel tank.
Thanks for the kudos.
@D L. If towing even 7-8,000lbs you'll see a massive difference between what the 3/4 and 1 ton diesels have to offer in pulling power and the ease with which they can handle such loads in terms of brakes and suspension. The 1/2 ton diesels seem like a good idea on paper, but when you look at the prices compared to the heavier duty larger engined trucks, they don't make sense to me.
I miss the black smoke emitting and more reliable Diesel's that we could buy before our crooked government and the EPA screwed us in 2008
I don't miss being behind them. Especially on the trail.
Nothing like getting used oil from the mechanics and fueling it up belching that stuff!
Two word; seven three.
Jondavid Bristow hooray for pollution
we got a 6.7 2014 ford powerstroke emissions deleted tuned makes plenty of smoke
9:30 talking about weight savings and a picture of a large woman pops up on the screen.
P Pha was wondering if I was the only one who noticed!
The point was that Ford didn't need to wait for the weight savings because the engine was heavier than gas engines - lots of people weigh more.
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@4WD Magazine - now that's a BULLSHIT response. I can't even offer you a "nice try".
@P Pha - oh snap. I jumped right to 9:16 so I could hear the build up and BAMM...thanks for pointing this. Hilarious.
Thanks for the review. ford never took a government bailout. It shows in their improvements. Chevy did. It’s funny when Chevy tries to sell their trucks with lies. ‘Most awarded’ “longest lasting on the road” “or my chevy tells a story” all lies. Ford won LeMans twice to prove a point to Ferrari. Just because, with our GT40. a Ford man for life!
I am considering the 3.0. If I can start a fleet truck program to get it in the xlt. If not will get the 5.0. We are growing as our fleet will. Full size will always be a Ford.
Just look at emergency vehicles, mostly Fords.
D & M Roofing and Sheet Metal LLC Ford is king of trucks hands dwn ur right. That's all we run too. All bought new F150s w/Ecoboost. Run em hard and maintain em well never let us dwn . We ordering a new '19 F150 3.0 Powerstroke for the boss. Ford strong!
Ford got 23 billion in loans from major banks later bailed out by taxpayers and still went to washington 2 years later.
GM paid out between 1990 and 2005 more money in health and retirement benefits than most countries.
Ford dominates in pickups GM/Chevy in cargo vans.
Those dorky narrow Ford European vans aren't catching on.
Dodge out sells ford if you take out government fleet sales .
Dodge out sells Ford in what area? Dodge can't make fleet sales because no fleet owner is stupid enough to have large numbers of Dodge vehicles lined up outside their shop awaiting repairs while they are needed for road use. The 2.7, 3.7 and 4.7 engines were junk and ruined any fleet sales for Dodge pickups. The repair costs are just to high. The 3.0 Dodge diesel was a complete disaster that is still ongoing. The 3.6 is a huge improvement over those engines but it takes a while to live down the legacy of decades of crap reliability.
Dan Thurston this last year in the heavy diesel pickups they almost did . If you take away fleet sales dodge almost out sold them with a big Cummins. For guys are finally getting tired of the motor blown up every 90,000 miles cough up 20k grand. There is a guy in Texas who had 18 out of 20 6.0 trucks go down one hot summer day. Probably never heard about all the lawsuits either that Ford had against them for people dying in their ambulances when the 6.0 blowup. I work in heavy equipment construction every company I know of has a row of blown up 6.0 6.4 junk . I actually like the ford truck itself. Motor is junk . I’ve done hundreds of thousands of miles hot shotting with Dodge Cummins manual tranny. Seen fords litter all over the highway constantly. I’ll keep my Cummins. I’ll use the same motor that a peterbuilt has .
I bet that if you contact the fleet salesperson at your Ford dealer, you would have no problem getting into an XL or XLT with diesel.
Agreed.
I hear that this engine is ONLY available on top line models, not the XL or the XLT unless it is a fleet vehicle.
And as I said, if you want an XL or XLT with diesel, I bet a fleet salesperson would be happy to sell you one.
You'd have to have a F.I.N. code from Ford to purchase. That alone differentiates between a retail purchase or fleet purchase.
@@walterwillis5351 Try it. It won't work.
Liked how you made the video - easy to understand if we listen carefully, plainspeak all the way. Great Video!
Thanks, greatly appreciated.
Saw one of the new '19 3.0 diesel F150 FX4'S today while fueling up my '17 F250 SD. The new 3.0's look slick, I know a few of my boat owning friends could use one. Hope it works out well for Ford Motor Company... Those new F 150 Diesels look clean....
its literally the same truck but with a powerstroke badge instead of ecoboost
“According to ford the engine is designed for 150,000 miles” yeah because that’s worth $70,000....no thank you.
I would have liked to see a bigger number too.
grumpy old fart A lot of people are learning that the "diesel is better" lie is just not true. It was all made up by the manufacturers to sell their expensive designs. All the power in the world is useless if it's broke down needing ANOTHER $2000 in repairs. I can buy a new engine for my old truck for that much. Big rigs use Diesel engines but those aren't the ones they are putting in pickups. You really can't beat a simple and reliable gas engine.
grumpy old fart thanks, I was gonna buy an 03 duramax but I decided to go with a 2012 with the 6.0 gas.
Jimmy4x4 Socal Good move. The early Duramax engines have injector problems. $4,000-$5000 to fix. Even a simple oil change costs double with a diesel.
Jimmy4x4 Socal thats the recommended interval change for timing chain and tune up not the engines life span just like on a crown vic it says to change timing chains at 150k but most people got anywhere from 300k to a million miles without it. It's not required its recommended im sure you can drive this truck well past 300k with basic maintenance... Learn before you comment.
I think if you buy this engine you like wasting money. The 2.7 bests it in hp and only down 40 ft lbs and the 3.5 produces something like 90% of its 470 ft lbs from 1,800 rpm and 90% is 423 lb ft with a higher tow rating and no DPF, DEF, EGR, SCR Etc. So this truck will end up costing you thousands more literally for a couple of ft lbs of torque. Not to mention it has a timing belt and another belt for the fuel pump. I’m a huge ford fan but not this time. They should know better than just slapping a Range Rover engine into a F-150.
hpkntnw Agreed, I will keep my 3.5 eco. It is a tow monster!
you and the other guy forget fuel economy.
ze3bar, you forget the extra cost of owning a diesel, fuel cost more, maintenance cost more, the motor cost more, at a 6 mpg better than gas you will never recover the extra cost.
No need for this motor, give me a 5.0
Newton Washinton it’s not that much more to maintain a diesel. Especially a small diesel.
How heavy is the f150 power stroke with all the features? I say they should put the 3.0 in an 8000 pound truck and then tow.
I pull a ToyHauler which weighs 8000 - 10000 lbs and I couldn’t afford the extra weight of a Diesel engine in an F150 since it would decrease my payload capacity. The 3.5 L has pulled the ToyHauler 23000 miles over mountains without issue
I thank it will be very nice to have a Diesel engine in a F150 will make a beautiful truck diesels the way to go no doubt
I was pretty stoked to see it. If I was running a business using half-tons, I would replace them as soon as possible with fllet XL diesels.
Whats up with the picture of that plus sized lady when you talk about weight savings?! I died laughing!
Just sayin' 300 lbs isn't that much of a savings since there are people that large.
Ford should be dropping this into suvs and big heavy cars. Timing belt is a bad choice though. By the time the engine pays you back you’ll have to basically rebuild it
Timing belt change is designed to be moderately easy. Costs about $550 at a auto shop. Dealer is a bit more. Done in 4 hrs 1 person.
Timing belt is way better than chain. Had to replace my chain on a ‘13 F-150 3.5 EB and it was $3K.
I purchased mine and have 1,000 miles on it so far. Mixed towing, 4500 lb Boat and 1500lb Quad. Average 19.8 MPG. :) So far I love this truck. Can't wait to get it out on open road to see how far I can go on one tank. I Live in Western Pa near Pittsburgh Pa. So we have hills/ stop/ start a lot. Glad I did it. My advise. Just send it!
When I get my dream truck, it's still going to have the 7.3 in it.
ou could restore a kick-ass classic
This 3.0 powerstroke has as much power as an 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes
@@joeygallegos3503 yep, but I ain’t paying for one.
I think they'll be lucky to get 5%. Diesel is currently running 80-90 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded here in Central Texas. There will probably never be a financial payback for spending the extra $3000 up front even with the better mileage. And that's talking apples to apples, if you're not looking to buy a Lariat or above already, it makes no financial sense whatsoever.
Now, some people will buy them because they like diesels and/or were looking to get a Lariat or Platinum anyway. More power to them. But for most of us who live in the real world, the upfront cost doesn't justify itself with a cost savings down the road.
2 1/2 months so far with my own 18 f150 diesel (Plat. Trim). The amount if driving I do to not only get to work/jobsite (highway) and the amount if engine hrs while on site (city type of driving) I have zero complaints so far. The transmission configuration makes me a tad nervous especially with the control module but the gas mileage is much better under the same driving conditions (downing or free drive) vs my old 17 f150 eco boost. So far its worth the money. Just waiting to do some extras which people have yet to come up with. Feel free to comment with questions or if you've heard of a legitimate aftermarket dealer
Thanks for the comment. It's great to hear from someone with realworld experience!
same for me 3 months 16000 miles with 1500 lbs load in the bed 570 miles per tank that truck is really good to me
He sounds like a kid I knew in grade 5. When he'd read in class, he'd pause at the end of the line, and read right through the punctuations
Nice truck bit I'll keep my 7.3 TANK👍🇺🇸👊
Yes I’d like one and it’s nice to see Ford 150 with a smaller diesel.
I hear a lot about the Cummins 2.8 liter 4 cylinder.Going into various vehicles as a retrofit.
Overseas in South Africa and Australia you see a lot of Toyota and Mitsubishi pick up diesels which sell very well there as I’m sure they would
In the States if they were available. I hear that Mitsubishi is considering introducing a small pickup with a diesel. The 200 I think it is.
Thanks for the comments. You're right about small diesels sold overseas - there are millions of them.
The cummins 2.8 is the worst engine in cummins history. It as a super bad reputation in China. If you buy it as a retrofit kit they will give you 90 days warranty. Which mean that you will run out of warranty before having finished your swap. There is a tons of 3.0L from reputable manufacturer in Europe and Asia. It's too bad that Toyota don't offer their 4.5L Twin turbo v8 diesel in the tundra. It's the emission law that make most diesel not viable in north america.
@@dlamardeyoutoube the toyota diesel 4.5L V8 is meant to be only on the almighty land cruiser 70 series. Is a low-stress engine with few hp and decent torque, that engine is meant to last decades, not to perform en speed or towing heavy loads
You forgot one thing. Yes this truck is great for someone who tows around town or pleasure. But what about someone who uses the truck as a commuter over 100 miles a day. And doesn't want to buy fuel every 3rd or 4th day of the week. I have a 2014 Ram ecodisel. And that is exactly what I use it for. Even with the higher price of diesel over gasoline and the price for DEF at the pump. I'm still looking at a savings of almost 100 gal of fuel per oil change cycle. Or rughly $400 or more dollars a year in fuel costs and only stopping for fuel one time a week. So savings in time lost stopping for fuel.
Very good point!
Sean Fritz lol huge savings of $33/month and the 10 mins at the pump . If those savings mean something to you , u prolly shouldn't be driving an expensive truck like this
Hrsplit Hr well when you look at my last truck and do a real world comparison. I am saving money and time. So let's look at it. My last truck was a 2001 5.2 2wd quad cab with a 26gal tank. Average was 17mpg. Now the new Ecodiesel is 4x4 outdoorsman crew also with a 26gal tank and average of 23mpg and about 2,000 more lbs towing. And if you think the truck is expensive you're quite wrong. The outdoorsman was a mid trim level. And I also got it used. So do a bit of research before comments. So in short this truck has saved me 100 gal of gasoline I would have been buying with my last truck to do the same amount of miles in the diesel.
Sean Fritz so in about ten or twelve years you will have made up the difference. Makes sense. Hope you're not paying interest on a truck loan you might hand to go 15 to break even
Sean Fritz were are talking about the new Ford diesel here $70k .
Good video. Damn 40 mpg. No matter how they drove to get that that's pretty crazy. I own a business and I have quite a few diesels and i always tell everybody your mpg is based on how you drive and of course the weight of your truck and the altitude you live in. And I would say whether deciding to buy the 3.0 diesel over the 3.5 EcoBoost is kind of like deciding whether you want to buy the 5.0 over the EcoBoost and if it's worth it.
Thanks for the kudos. Just as a point of interest, the 5.0 only makes up about 10% of F-150 sales. The rest is pretty much 30/30/30 3.5, 2.7 and 3.3.
It's 30 mpg not 40
Adam Brydon yes I know that's what the EPA has it rated at but if you watch the video the guy said they had a challenge to see who could get the highest fuel economy and a couple of them got 40 MPG. That's why I mentioned 40 😀
my 2015 v6 has Silverado I hit 32.5 mph on a trip I took no way this is worth the $$$ unless you two more then 50% of the time.
I'd take more notice of when he talks about the 11 mpg when towing. At the end of the day there's nothing magical about fuel consumption, you need to burn a certain amount of fuel to provide the necessary power to move the vehicle. I looked at the lighter duty diesels but ultimately the difference in price between them and the 3/4 ton trucks doesn't make them worth if for me. I'd rather have the stronger frame and axles of a 3/4 ton truck and the higher ride height negating the need to use aftermarket lifts. A 3/4 ton or 1 ton gives you everything you need from the factory, designed that way from the factory. You get more power from a 6.7 and pretty much the same fuel economy when using the truck for things a truck is designed for.
OMG so many people don't pay attention. This 3.0 engine was designed and built by FORD for FORDS and yes they sell it to other manufacturers. Remember Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover when this engine was developed. It is code named "Lion". The timing and fuel pump belt need to be changed at 150,000 miles. Check it out on Wikipedia.
That's right.
It wasn't designed for the F-150 specifically, which is the problem. The 6.7L PS is so good because it was specifically designed just for the Super Duty. Why the hell Ford didn't just spend the money on designing a brand new F-150 diesel engine is beyond me.
The F-150 diesel has already proven to be a piece of shit from basically every single review I have seen. TFL got it in limp mode during a tow test. The specs are BARELY above the other engines and yet the cost is extreme. You can't get it in base models. Ect.
Ford halfassed this engine.
Jellyfrosh I love ford and adore my 2017 f250 6.7, for $70,000 you can buy a low trim level 6.7 and have wayyy more power. Just doesn’t make since
for 70k you can get a king ranch F-350.
Jellyfrosh all set and done I walked out of the dealership paying $76,862 for SA platinum f250 decked out every accessori
FYI I believe the 150k service life thingis 150kish miles before it needs major components replacing, like pumps etc. We've got PSA/Ford diesels in our fleet and they sell for good money even after being thrashed for 170k miles(the mileage we replace them at due to lease/lifecycle cost analysis). The restrictions on sales availability are due to the limited number of engines available after theyve sold them off most of the 3.0s to JLR. In addition to this in many countries the difference between gas and diesel prices are neglible, as opposed to the 10-20% markup in NA.
Thanks for commenting - always like to hear from guys with experience.
When do you sell had half tons based on the life cycle analysis? I am curious for sure
I like the 3.2L Diesel Duratorque that Ford sells here in Philippines with their Ranger,for years now,but I like better my Nissan Np300 with the 2.5 turbodiesel from Nissan-Renault,awesome all the way.
Thanks for sharing. Turbo diesels have been selling well outside North America for a while now.
How is the reliability on your 2.5 Nissan engine????? the ones produced in 2017-2019 were burning a lot of oil
@@tacuazinful the engine still great,I just do the maintenance on schedule and so far so good,its got 148K kms right now.
@@theopinion9452 excelent!!
By 2003 the 7.3 made 250 horsepower and 550 foot pounds of torque and they're still on the road with 600,000+ miles on them.
I want the 2018 f150 powerstroke 3.0 liter V6 diesel but I won't be towning at all, maybe hauling a couple things in the bed every once in a while. what would the mpg be like if I were to drive it like a sports car on City/HighWay?
You'd be much happier with 2.7L Ecoboost. The diesel just do 'sporty'.
I get 25mpg easy driving. 22-23 heavy footed hiway.
Get the 2.7 for sports car driving and bed toting
The b-roll for "... black smoke emitting ..." --- lol!
This was a solid video review. I think all of the information you presented would be beneficial and help guide me if I was in the market to buy one of these trucks.
Thanks, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Thanks for all of ur detailed info. I have several lawn crews, a landscaping business and a tree business here in Florida where work is pretty much year round and I use all 7.3L trucks but I’ve often wondered if my lawn crews need 3/4 ton trucks just to pull mowers around. I’d never consider a half ton gas truck just due to the reliability of a diesel engine(half of my larger mowers have diesel engines as well) but a half ton with a diesel could be a viable option for the lawns crews. I’m not sure what the prices are on those half ton diesel trucks but it’s still hard to compare to the 7.3L trucks that I usually can find for $15K. I’m currently looking for a 1ton dually 7.3L to pull a much larger dump trailer for the tree crew. All of mine are crew cab and 4X4 and it would be hard to give all that up and for that price.
It will be more expensive than a used 7.3 but you could work out the math for your fuel savings, mechanical under warranty, and see if you can get the fleet deal for an XLT. Might make sense for you.
4WD Magazine good point. It could take years and years to cover that fuel difference between my older trucks and that new truck not to mention I’d be making payments for years on the newer truck. I can afford can for the $15K trucks but not for one that’s $50-65K which I’m sure that’s what those trucks run about with that diesel motor in them. Like u said in the video, it’s worth sitting back a couple of years and let them work the bugs out first.
As an old Ford fan, I have to admit that Ford has a real problem holding on to BAD design for several years. I won't try anything new on a Ford.
Any recent bad luck? My last new Ford was an '99 Explorer.
Ford builds world class diesel engines that will surpass cummins 1 to 2 million miles ya no shit have you ever seen a ford 200 pickup well ford builds them 1million mile 40 mpg probabley top speed in access of 120 mph
You will never will see one here corrupted car manufacture
Joe O it’s not a new engine
Thanks for the video, very informative. The fuel economy is not that impressive but it's always hard to accurately compare that because of different loads and roads. I average 15 mpg in my 2002 F250 powerstroke with truck camper and small motorcycle trailer. My truck is terrible off road though with its stuff suspension. 250k miles and no major repairs though has impressed me.
NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SNOWFLAKES THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS VIDEO. THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST EXPLAINED AND SHOWCASE VIDEOS PRODUCED. THANKS FOR SHARING.. AND YES, THE DIESEL ENGINE WOULD BE MY CHOICE WHEN AND IF THEY PUT IT IN THE XL AND XLT BASE MODELS..
It has more power than the 1994 powerstroke.....sorry, but that's not a reason to be excited. Everything is more powerful than the 1994 powerstroke lol.
Get an old truck. From the 90s. If you're going to do a lot of towing then they're the vehicles to get. The 460 7.5l gas V8 or 7.3 Diesel V8. They might be expensive to drive on a daily, but your gas mileage doesn't really change while going highway speeds whether you have a load or not.
Just got a RAM Ecodiesel, Laramie, with all the bells and whistles for a shade over 40k. I got 24+ mpg on a 600 mile road trip through hilly CA with 2 friends and a bed full of fishing gear and luggage.
Your “Filet Mignon” looks more like a RIBEYE 🥩 good sir! For the cost, I’d opt for the 6.7 SD, makes more sense.
I was PCSed to San Diego from Norfolk, and I had a 2013 6.7 that was fine throughout my life in Montana and when I was in Norfolk. But once I had to move to San Diego, it was just to much truck. So I traded it in for a 2018 3.0 Lariat Package. After driving it for a while, I truly believe Ford it’ll take sales from the other engines and from Dodge as long as Ford puts it in the XL and XLT for a cheaper package options. Because most rancher and Farmers don’t need the leather interior and plushness for their work truck. Overall I love mine and I do believe it’ll be a great buy over time!
The diesel may get better mpg but in my town diesel is nearly 80 cents more per gallon. So it actually cost more to drive the diesel truck.
That's a good point.
I don't know the figures for the F150 diesels, but I've owned two 3/4 ton diesel trucks and cannot claim savings in running costs, because the oil changes and other maintenance such as fuel filters adds to the overall costs considerably in addition to the more costly fuel. I run a diesel for convenience at the end of the day, when I tow my travel trailer or boat it's just so easy to hold your speed even on gradients and with headwinds, and provides such a relaxing ride on long trips. Yes getting 12-14 mpg towing beats the 6-9 mpg with the gas engined trucks I've owned, but you'd have to drive along way to recover the extra purchase price and the costs of keeping it on the road.
The only other gas trucks I'd consider would be the Chevy 6.2 or the Ford 3.5 ecoboost. The Chevy requires premium gas and the Ford will run at lower horsepower without premium.
I dont know but I'll nurse my 06 F150 5.4l. The prices on a 1/2 ton are getting beyond its capacity. I'll save up for a 3/4 ton.
Go big if it's better for you - absolutely.
I think Chevys in-line 6 Duramax will out perform this. More torque and horsepower. But we shall see. Awesome review.
Thanks. You could be right. Hopefully this engine will make Chevy work extra hard to give us a great engine.
it should it a larger motor in size that rivals V8 small blocks.
Why? They r both 3l! Half tons r about mpg not power and trq
People modify diesels. It is a reckless thing these companies are doing which is why the EPA comes down on them so hard. 2/3 new diesels randomly tested in Europe do not meet emissions standards from modifications or lack of maintenance. Diesel is being banned in major cities as it has been proven to cause birth defects, and cancer of all sorts. The particulates are so small they penetrate every organ in your body. In Europe the term "everything in moderation" no longer applies, people are sick from diesel, it is an epidemic, just research it and look up the W15 from Workhorse with electric drive and not range limited, it destroys any current truck made today in power and fuel efficiency which is why Ford is moving to the Mach 1 program.
Nothing duratampax or doodiemax will ever come close to being a respectable engine.
It sounds awesome other than the fact that it has no passing power. If it is faster than my Grand Marquis I want one. Time to trade my work car known as the rolling couch for a truck. I know I want an F-150, but deciding on which engine.
Thanks for commenting. It's been a while since I was in a Grand Marquis.
An ecoboost is a good option, those trucks haul ass the police use them in their units in NM
I'm sure enjoying my 17 250 PS. Plenty Strong . Good info. guys , TKS.
Thanks for commenting - great to hear from someone with experience.
My 18 f350 is been good too !! Pulling 18-26k every day
250 hp and 440 ft of torque......honestly that’s not very impressive, I own a 2005 6.0 liter powerstroke that has 325 hp and 570 ft of torque sure I get 13 mpg around town but on the highway I get 16 mpg and with a little tuning I can get 16 mpg city and 24mpg highway. And the greatest part is it doesn’t cost 70,000 dollars and it only has very few emission devices, I think this was a big flop for ford.
Good info - thanks.
IF you bullet proof the motor, which is ballpark a lot of money (still cheaper than a new truck)
For the price cost , I can’t in anyway justify how the 3.5 eco boost is not a superior option. The advantage on diesel is of course economy , but with maintenance , significant cost , not really any better towing the the advantage of economy is none unless you literally tow long distances , frequently to justify it .
It's a pretty close toss up and I agree with you.
D L. As far as reliability yes , but can’t justify the cost . Now if I was getting a 3/4 ton truck and towing 10k often I would go diesel all day long. These half ton diesels cost what you can pick up a lightly used 3/4 diesel for
D L. That really depends , with the incentives sometimes you are better off buying new when you can get it thousands off the sticker . I have actually seen 1-2 year old trucks for sale the same price you can buy a new one negotiated so it really does depend . There also times used is better , just depends on time of year , incentives how market it is.
`Ford was all set to introduce a 4.2L diesel engine in the F-150 back in the 2009 MY, but backed out at the last moment. I know that they built at least 50 prototypes and did some retro-fitting at Roush Industries in Livonia, MI in the Spring of 2008. I wonder whatever became of that engine design and why they backed out at the last minute??? I would love to know the rest of that story...….
Thanks for the review I am looking forward to driving a 3.0L
I liked it. Thanks for sharing your comment.
Lol, "Ford did not pay me, but they did comp the shit out of my hotel, room service and meals". Good one...
None of the manufacturers want to pay journalists to write, they want it all for free.
My 2016 F-150 with a 5.0 gets 15-17mpg pulling a 4,000 pound skeeter boat with all my gear.
That's a good match. Your V8 should last forever.
2011 f150 EcoBoost pulling 4,000 bass tracker at 70mph. Only gets 10mpg
I am looking into getting one of these in a couple months. Just retired and want to haul an rv and do the perimiter of the country. I'm in south florida, have a daughter in connecticut, sister in oregon and cousin in central california. Let ya know how it goes.
Love Ford!! I'm looking forward to see how this set up with the diesel works out!
I love the warranty. No warranty is perfect but to me that says a lot about the confidence Ford has in this engine.
I was all about this truck but then I heard GM announce the strait 6 duramax. I'm gonna have to wait to see how that one turns out.
Sounds awesome till you realize it has a timing belt...
Belt technology has come along way, but I need to see 300,000 trouble free miles before I give up the Tundra
He said it's a 150,000 mile engine
The GM 3.0 Diesel uses a belt to drive the oil pump, that is soaked in oil. How long do you think that will last.
It's not a 150k engine. The belt just needs replaced around that mileage. Which to me is dumb, just throw a chain on it. But oh well.
I mounted my rear view camera using a $15 attachment which fits the existing rear view mirror bracket and the slot in the back of the monitor. I just remove the mirror and mount the monitor, which is wired through the upfitter switch. The power cord is hidden under the windshield molding. Just another option for your viewers.
I bet with all the emissions equipment deleted and some tunes it would be pretty quick
That's what I love about the aftermarket - give them a diesel engine to work with and they'll drive the hp and torque through the roof.
Don't expect a tune to be available anytime soon my l5p is still locked up
You might be disappointed, EPA changes in recent years have made it much harder for aftermarket tuners. Look at the Cummins diesels there were all sorts of aftermarket things for them but once you get past 2014 models there isn't much available. Also bear in mind that this is already a much higher tuned engine producing what used to be the stock power for engines of twice the displacement so they are already "tuned". No doubt more can be achieved, but you would be running some high levels of boost etc. to achieve it and likely lose reliability.
I think that ford missed its ideal market for this engine. The thing is, this engine should be an option on all trim levels. A lot of sales likely go into people that use the truck as a truck. Contractors, construction crews, small businesses that tow as part of the job like landscapers. And very few of those are going to go to a lariat or king ranch trim level on a work truck.
In Canada, an xl pickup with an 8 foot bed costs $33k with the 5.0L V8. To even get into the diesel, you need to go up to a lariat trim level which means a smaller bed, and supercrew model. This knocks the price up to $58k. That is a huge dent on a business' bottom line. That cost difference effectively nukes any potential savings that the diesel would have offered.
It just doesn't make sense. Go with the 5.0L v8, or 3.5L EcoBoost.
You lost my interest when you said the 5.0 was a couple thousand less
Welcome to the new Ford F150 3.0 Powerstroke Milkshake maker.
Hahah. I kid, I kid.
Now you're making me imagine a giant blender with a diesel engine.
Great video Perry! Really interested to see how reliable it is.
Thanks, me too. I was hoping they would tell me they had put some extra real world testing into this engine in the F-150. But the only response I got was 'we did the usual testing'.
You will NEVER get your money back over the base engine. 3000 dollars more, more expensive maintenance and higher fuel prices. Only designed for 150k miles.
im looking at a reg cab just to run around in with my business. no towing , would i be better getting a gas ? aren't diesels sluggish?
At 3:14....you say 30 mile per hour benchmark...thinking you may have meant 30 mile per GALLON...seeing as you have a fuel gauge behind you...
Good catch, thanks.
2007 F-250 CrewCab 6.0L Diesel PowerStroke...OK had a man do a 100% one of a kind tune, K&N Filter and After Market water filter system, no egr delete, no cat delete nothing extra. Mileage well my best @73 mph at night, cool no wind towing a empty steel 20' car hauler flat bed......38 MPG! No lies here. OK Pulling a empty 30' HD very heavy flate bed Gooseneck trailer to Austin Texas......75mph (all test have A/C on) I got 17-19 mpg, Loaded up 5 - very larger 20 and 30 ton commercial roof top air-conditioners stacked two high. Ok heading back to West Texas with load, this is "Hill Country" 70-73 mph I got 12-14 mpg! I love this truck and it been doing this now for two plus years. Why can't Ford make their do this? Again no reason to lie or fudge I am happy and plenty of witness to this. Have a Great Day
@9:30 he says the 3.0L Power Stroke is 388lbs heavier while showing a heavy set woman on the TV behind him. Hahahahahaha!
The point was that Ford didn't need to wait for the weight savings because the engine was heavier than gas engines - lots of people weigh more.
put her in the back and see what happens to your mileage and handling
Lol
Did this one break down like the one TFL truck tested a while back (broke down twice actually while testing)?
These are not sold in Europe but the smaller pick up trucks, Ranger, Hi Lux, L200, etc are and if more than 5% of them were gasoline I would be surprised. Fords estimate of the diesel having 5% of sales is laughable to Europeans or indeed anywhere outside of North America
Only time will tell..
It's crazy how most of the planet embraced diesels decades ago - we'll see what happens in NA.
Diesels have always been much more prominent in Europe and are just about "compulsory" in suv's and pickups because the economics of ownership are completely different when gas is $8+ a gallon and diesel is often slightly cheaper. With those fuel costs a few extra mpg makes a big difference.
I have 4 Fords in my fleet. Two gas and two diesel. Buying Ford diesels was one of the worst business decisions I’ve ever made. Until they get rid of the diesel particulate filter or make some serious changes, I won’t buy another one.
Seems logical they wouldn’t put their new diesel in the XL trim level. They are afraid it can’t hold up in a work truck.
Ford makes great trucks, but their Diesel engines are money time bombs! I’d buy this truck and sell it before the warranty runs out.
What years are the trucks? Just wondering.
TomatheGreek 2008 and a 2009
I’m going to wait for the bugs to get worked out. I don’t need a lariat. I want an engine and a gas tank.
Thats a good strategy.
Dude they test these things extensively. As a shareholder at Ford we strive to bring u quality innovative products from day one. "Quality is job one". Believe that!
Should have had some wine with that steak
I believe sales will be eight to 10% of total of F-150
I can see that too. Over time, anyone who tows a lot will save a lot of dough and enjoy driving it.
I just Got a 2018. It’s all I could ask for my only complaint is the trans is a little weird shifting.i use it in New York City
Ill keep my 12 valve 5.9 and 6.7 cummins. Lol
Darn! I just ordered a F150XL 4X4 sport STX W/5.0 V8 to replace my '01 Ram 2500 Cummins 4X4 6speed. this truck sounds closer to what I had and loved.
425 hp at 3000 + RPMs or a RPM you'll never use
They will top the 5% a lot of people like diesel engines that just didn't need a 3/4 ton or 1 ton and this is just a real techie truck with cameras and backups assistance knob. Now I love my setup on my own 2017 Chevrolet Silverado LT 5.3L 4x4 it has a 6" lifted sitting on 35's with diffs changed out to 4.56's and custom tune a pro tune and not from $600 preprogrammed tuner I can get at 65 mph I can get 20 mpg. With that being said I wanting to trade it in for a F150 new Diesel cause I just don't care to pay the 9.5k upcharge for 6.7.