Small, modern diesels amaze me! I never thought that we'd ever see numbers like these from relatively small displacement diesels. Seriously considering a baby diesel repower for my '98 Ranger....
@@wagoneer81 I have a 2012 Ranger crew cab 4X4 with an international Powerstroke 3.0 liter Inline 4. Waste gate turbo intercooler integrated to the radiator. Only emissions item is the egr. Factory 3 inch exhaust with no Catalyst just 2 high flow muflers. I had the ecu reflashed it went from 163 HP and 260 FP torque to 210 HP and 320FP torque. It has a powerband like an old 2 stroke motocrosser. A blast to drive at 25 pounds of boost. And it gets 25 MPG hammering full boost everywhere and up to 32 MPG driving really light.
Right I had a 2010 VW TDI Cup Edition w/2.0 Turbo Diesel only had 140 ho but 240 tq was a blast to drive averaging over 65 mpg in mostly city start and stop go traffic.. Was a great car, rare only made 1401 of the cup edition sadly car was totaled when a minivan ran into it while sitting in a common parking lot.
Right, any diesel can take a beating for a day. When emission sensors go out and exhaust filter needs replacement, all the reliability and fuel savings go out the window
I think they will need to hold onto the diesel option for a few years, and work out how to get the price down, or make it available in every trim package before it will be a big seller. remember, lots of us are still paying for the depression we were in and are holding on to what money we have just in case.
I've watched just about every video on this truck that came out this week from that test day Ford put on. Yours was by far the most informative and structured. I got way more information from this in comparison to the others. It's like the other guys have so many subscribers they don't even try to put out quality content. Thanks for the effort, and some of this background video clips were funny.
Seriously? Design life of the engine is only 150k miles? I'm on 292k on my 7.3 and my friend has 440k on his 6.0. So double the fuel economy, but not even half the engine life.
I have the XLT FX4 2019 w/3.0 turbo diesel. Ready lift 3 inch lift. Love it as much as my 2004 6.8L Excursion (that I bought new and STILL have). I see this truck being with me for at least 10-15 years. So many upgrades available to tweak any perceived shortcomings. Fuel economy is no joke REAL! I own and operate a farm and travel to city at times for work. All around awesome truck. BTW, got the Linkswell 12.1 inch T screen system too.
I'm a fan of diesel for fuel economy and low end torque, but for 5500 extra and having to buy a Lariat or higher I have no regrets about getting my 5.0 xlt. It would take many kms to pay off those extra expenses.
This engine with some tweaking could’ve been a great option and Ford has the ability to compete with Ram and GM in this category. I think they gave up too quick on this engine.
A 2000 7.3 can go 750K miles. This engine is a 150K engine.....really🤨 Comparing apples to oranges..... Did I forget to tell you, there is no timing chain or belt in the 7.3....straight cut gears.... straight cut gears.....
they don't use gears on the smaller diesels because it's quieter to use a belt or a chain and 90% of the people buying these trucks care about shit like the noise the truck makes over how it actually tows/hauls.
Our first 6.7 never made it to 100K. The turbo failed several times under warranty then an injector failed and welded itself to a piston - the engine literally tore itself apart. Over $14,000 in repairs.
Ford builds world class diesel engines that will surpass cummins 1 to 2 million miles ya no shit have you ever seen a ford 200 pickup well ford builds them 1million mile 40 mpg probabley top speed in access of 120 mph
Great truck! I bought it at Christmas and am getting 24+ mpg. It tows whatever I need to wherever I'm going. It was pricey, so if yer broke stick with a '94 with 7.3 ;)
I think if you buy this engine you like wasting money. The 2.7 bests it in hp and only down 40 ft lbs and the 3.5 produces something like 90% of its 470 ft lbs from 1,800 rpm and 90% is 423 lb ft with a higher tow rating and no DPF, DEF, EGR, SCR Etc. So this truck will end up costing you thousands more literally for a couple of ft lbs of torque. Not to mention it has a timing belt and another belt for the fuel pump. I’m a huge ford fan but not this time. They should know better than just slapping a Range Rover engine into a F-150.
ze3bar, you forget the extra cost of owning a diesel, fuel cost more, maintenance cost more, the motor cost more, at a 6 mpg better than gas you will never recover the extra cost.
It's because some people don't need an HD. If you aren't towing anything of weight and want a little more MPG and ride comfort, the F150 is great. And the same trim packages in the 250 still are 10k+ more. Which, then i would say what about the 3.5L ecoboost, but that even costs MORE than the 3.0L Diesel with less MPG. It tows more, but the MPG drastically falls when towing with the 3.5L. I drove the F150 with the new 3.0L, and I must say I am VERY impressed. Had to stop throwing out the PowerJoke term now I feel in love with it. Just not the price, but it is quality.
@@@Davido50...stopped at a light in town and the guy next to me had a silver F150 powerstroke. Said he got 23 mpg in town. Could even hear it-while talking window to window in my 3.5 explorer
It has more power than the 1994 powerstroke.....sorry, but that's not a reason to be excited. Everything is more powerful than the 1994 powerstroke lol.
I have a diesel 150. I use it as a commute vehicle for 80% of the miles. i regularly tow in the summer and atv and a canoe. I put on about 35,000km or 21,000 miles per year. It is a 2021 and now has 51,000 km or just over 31,000 miles. It rides like a cloud. I have 2KO tires on it and I regularly get 34 miles/gall(imperial) on a daily commute of 124 km or 70 miles round trip. I love my 3.0L and have no idea why Ford stopped manufacturing them. it is, in all that I do, a marvelous vehicle. I fish from the logging roads of northern Ontario and have no worries in my vehicle preforming there. When you are two hours in from the highway it has to work.
one one the biggest advantages of diesel which is seldom mentioned is time savings. You get much more range between stopping for gas, and less frequent oil changes. The time savings over the life of a vehicle amounts to a free vacation.
grumpy old fart A lot of people are learning that the "diesel is better" lie is just not true. It was all made up by the manufacturers to sell their expensive designs. All the power in the world is useless if it's broke down needing ANOTHER $2000 in repairs. I can buy a new engine for my old truck for that much. Big rigs use Diesel engines but those aren't the ones they are putting in pickups. You really can't beat a simple and reliable gas engine.
Jimmy4x4 Socal thats the recommended interval change for timing chain and tune up not the engines life span just like on a crown vic it says to change timing chains at 150k but most people got anywhere from 300k to a million miles without it. It's not required its recommended im sure you can drive this truck well past 300k with basic maintenance... Learn before you comment.
The photo of the road that winds up after the mountain side at 5:40 is from Norway. It's called Trollstigen. I do not live so far from here. If anyone wants to come and see this and other nature experiences, give me a message and I can recommend wonderful routes in Norwegian nature 😀 By the way, this Power Stroke F150 is on my list when I'm replacing my Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2016 3.2 diesel in a few years.
In Australia we have the V6 diesel in the Ford Territory very good engine and the i5 in the ranger also a good engine we have 250 of them in the fleet were I work most 4x4 give a very good run.
Just bought a 2018 F150 3.5L, and so far have found very little lacking, except for the placement of the headlight switch and the brake controller. My XLT is as loaded as you can get without going up to the Lariat, and most of those features I have no use for, didn't care to pay the extra amount. As impressive as the diesel is, it is only available to normal consumers in the Lariat and above versions, so you have to pay the premium for that level of indemnities, then, you have to pay extra for the diesel engine. For me, it is just not worth the premium price, and I think Ford would sell a lot more of these if they offered the Diesel to consumers and not just fleet costumers in the XLT and lower packages.
I feel Ford are thinking negatively in their approach, they'd be better to have it available in more models and then be able to reduce the price premium somewhat in anticipation of the cost savings for producing larger volumes of the engines and other specific components.
Ford should be dropping this into suvs and big heavy cars. Timing belt is a bad choice though. By the time the engine pays you back you’ll have to basically rebuild it
I traded a 2011 F350 6.7 dually King Ranch which I absolutely loved. However, I am not towing my very large and heavy 5th wheel anymore but still have a couple of trailers that come in around 8000 lbs fully loaded. Haven't had a chance to test these out yet with my 2018 3.0 L Ford 4X4. My fuel mileage is mind boggling compared to the other truck mentioned - of course. Since this is my daily driver, I am very happy. Have seen as high as 31 on highway. So far no issues with anything but then again I only have about 10,000 k on it. It is a very quiet truck as well as very comfortable. With regard to price, after haggling with my dealer there was only about 18000 difference with trade which included my tax of 13 % and dealer prep. The MSRP was listed at $76,000. Nope, nobody is going to pay that so stop suggesting that is the price. Maybe in the mid 60s without trade but this is a fully loaded Lariat. Not quite as nice inside as my King Ranch but just as comfortable. With regard to acceleration, it is just fine and can pass anything on the highway at highway speeds in a very quick fashion. I also have a 3.5 eco-boost Flex and there is no comparison - but - I drove some high powered muscle cars in late 60s early 70s and those beasts would not come close to my eco-boost. Lets not compare a 250 hp diesel with a 365 hp twin turbo gas in a much lighter vehicle. All in all, this is a great little diesel half ton pickup. It does the job with great efficiency and comfort. It will pull comfortably without continuous shifting because of its torque rating. Pulling anything over 10,000 lbs with a half ton is like the tail wagging the dog. Don't do it. I have had Ford & GM diesels and each have their own good and bad. I am not brand loyal. I go with the best deal for what I need my vehicle to do. In this case, it was Ford. If you wish, I will comment again after my trip to eastern Quebec pulling my trailer with sleds - full size stand up inside 20 footer.
I want the 2018 f150 powerstroke 3.0 liter V6 diesel but I won't be towning at all, maybe hauling a couple things in the bed every once in a while. what would the mpg be like if I were to drive it like a sports car on City/HighWay?
I think they'll be lucky to get 5%. Diesel is currently running 80-90 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded here in Central Texas. There will probably never be a financial payback for spending the extra $3000 up front even with the better mileage. And that's talking apples to apples, if you're not looking to buy a Lariat or above already, it makes no financial sense whatsoever. Now, some people will buy them because they like diesels and/or were looking to get a Lariat or Platinum anyway. More power to them. But for most of us who live in the real world, the upfront cost doesn't justify itself with a cost savings down the road.
I like the 3.2L Diesel Duratorque that Ford sells here in Philippines with their Ranger,for years now,but I like better my Nissan Np300 with the 2.5 turbodiesel from Nissan-Renault,awesome all the way.
Saw one of the new '19 3.0 diesel F150 FX4'S today while fueling up my '17 F250 SD. The new 3.0's look slick, I know a few of my boat owning friends could use one. Hope it works out well for Ford Motor Company... Those new F 150 Diesels look clean....
Thanks for the review. ford never took a government bailout. It shows in their improvements. Chevy did. It’s funny when Chevy tries to sell their trucks with lies. ‘Most awarded’ “longest lasting on the road” “or my chevy tells a story” all lies. Ford won LeMans twice to prove a point to Ferrari. Just because, with our GT40. a Ford man for life! I am considering the 3.0. If I can start a fleet truck program to get it in the xlt. If not will get the 5.0. We are growing as our fleet will. Full size will always be a Ford. Just look at emergency vehicles, mostly Fords.
D & M Roofing and Sheet Metal LLC Ford is king of trucks hands dwn ur right. That's all we run too. All bought new F150s w/Ecoboost. Run em hard and maintain em well never let us dwn . We ordering a new '19 F150 3.0 Powerstroke for the boss. Ford strong!
Ford got 23 billion in loans from major banks later bailed out by taxpayers and still went to washington 2 years later. GM paid out between 1990 and 2005 more money in health and retirement benefits than most countries. Ford dominates in pickups GM/Chevy in cargo vans. Those dorky narrow Ford European vans aren't catching on.
Dodge out sells Ford in what area? Dodge can't make fleet sales because no fleet owner is stupid enough to have large numbers of Dodge vehicles lined up outside their shop awaiting repairs while they are needed for road use. The 2.7, 3.7 and 4.7 engines were junk and ruined any fleet sales for Dodge pickups. The repair costs are just to high. The 3.0 Dodge diesel was a complete disaster that is still ongoing. The 3.6 is a huge improvement over those engines but it takes a while to live down the legacy of decades of crap reliability.
Dan Thurston this last year in the heavy diesel pickups they almost did . If you take away fleet sales dodge almost out sold them with a big Cummins. For guys are finally getting tired of the motor blown up every 90,000 miles cough up 20k grand. There is a guy in Texas who had 18 out of 20 6.0 trucks go down one hot summer day. Probably never heard about all the lawsuits either that Ford had against them for people dying in their ambulances when the 6.0 blowup. I work in heavy equipment construction every company I know of has a row of blown up 6.0 6.4 junk . I actually like the ford truck itself. Motor is junk . I’ve done hundreds of thousands of miles hot shotting with Dodge Cummins manual tranny. Seen fords litter all over the highway constantly. I’ll keep my Cummins. I’ll use the same motor that a peterbuilt has .
I pull a ToyHauler which weighs 8000 - 10000 lbs and I couldn’t afford the extra weight of a Diesel engine in an F150 since it would decrease my payload capacity. The 3.5 L has pulled the ToyHauler 23000 miles over mountains without issue
For the price cost , I can’t in anyway justify how the 3.5 eco boost is not a superior option. The advantage on diesel is of course economy , but with maintenance , significant cost , not really any better towing the the advantage of economy is none unless you literally tow long distances , frequently to justify it .
D L. As far as reliability yes , but can’t justify the cost . Now if I was getting a 3/4 ton truck and towing 10k often I would go diesel all day long. These half ton diesels cost what you can pick up a lightly used 3/4 diesel for
D L. That really depends , with the incentives sometimes you are better off buying new when you can get it thousands off the sticker . I have actually seen 1-2 year old trucks for sale the same price you can buy a new one negotiated so it really does depend . There also times used is better , just depends on time of year , incentives how market it is.
I have 4 Fords in my fleet. Two gas and two diesel. Buying Ford diesels was one of the worst business decisions I’ve ever made. Until they get rid of the diesel particulate filter or make some serious changes, I won’t buy another one. Seems logical they wouldn’t put their new diesel in the XL trim level. They are afraid it can’t hold up in a work truck. Ford makes great trucks, but their Diesel engines are money time bombs! I’d buy this truck and sell it before the warranty runs out.
All I can say is, if you want a diesel equipped truck, buy one. If you want a gasoline equipped truck, buy one. It's your money, do with it what you want. To each his own.
These are not sold in Europe but the smaller pick up trucks, Ranger, Hi Lux, L200, etc are and if more than 5% of them were gasoline I would be surprised. Fords estimate of the diesel having 5% of sales is laughable to Europeans or indeed anywhere outside of North America Only time will tell..
Diesels have always been much more prominent in Europe and are just about "compulsory" in suv's and pickups because the economics of ownership are completely different when gas is $8+ a gallon and diesel is often slightly cheaper. With those fuel costs a few extra mpg makes a big difference.
I don't know the figures for the F150 diesels, but I've owned two 3/4 ton diesel trucks and cannot claim savings in running costs, because the oil changes and other maintenance such as fuel filters adds to the overall costs considerably in addition to the more costly fuel. I run a diesel for convenience at the end of the day, when I tow my travel trailer or boat it's just so easy to hold your speed even on gradients and with headwinds, and provides such a relaxing ride on long trips. Yes getting 12-14 mpg towing beats the 6-9 mpg with the gas engined trucks I've owned, but you'd have to drive along way to recover the extra purchase price and the costs of keeping it on the road.
The only other gas trucks I'd consider would be the Chevy 6.2 or the Ford 3.5 ecoboost. The Chevy requires premium gas and the Ford will run at lower horsepower without premium.
250 hp and 440 ft of torque......honestly that’s not very impressive, I own a 2005 6.0 liter powerstroke that has 325 hp and 570 ft of torque sure I get 13 mpg around town but on the highway I get 16 mpg and with a little tuning I can get 16 mpg city and 24mpg highway. And the greatest part is it doesn’t cost 70,000 dollars and it only has very few emission devices, I think this was a big flop for ford.
Great video and thank you for your honesty. After watching a dozen videos from the Ford F150 Power Stroke event and reading a half dozen articles, I have come to one conclusion... This motor is for people who tow large trailers. Period. For me, it would be a waste of money and a huge hit in my commuting "time" budget because this truck would not have the beans needed to pull out and pass a slower vehicle as I travel through the mountains of western Maryland and West Virginia. The 3.5L EcoBoost with a 36 gallon tank would give me the same range plus I would have the ability to overtake vehicles easily in the mountains as I do with my current V8. Any savings resulting from an increase in fuel economy would be lost in the extra expense of maintenance of the baby PowerStroke along with the added cost of DEF and the seasonal winter fuel additive. As I do not tow large trailers on my regular trip through the mountains, there would be no benefit for me owning this motor. So, the decision has been made and my next truck will have a gasoline motor and a 36 gallon fuel tank.
@D L. If towing even 7-8,000lbs you'll see a massive difference between what the 3/4 and 1 ton diesels have to offer in pulling power and the ease with which they can handle such loads in terms of brakes and suspension. The 1/2 ton diesels seem like a good idea on paper, but when you look at the prices compared to the heavier duty larger engined trucks, they don't make sense to me.
so an engine capable of 300k, 24 mpg, 600 - 700 hp , and over 400 lbs of torque ??? like my cummins in a heavier truck is the reason I don't own a ford f150.
Thanks, me too. I was hoping they would tell me they had put some extra real world testing into this engine in the F-150. But the only response I got was 'we did the usual testing'.
You will NEVER get your money back over the base engine. 3000 dollars more, more expensive maintenance and higher fuel prices. Only designed for 150k miles.
He forgot to mention that the warranty will not be honored unless you take it to a dealer for every expensive mandated maintenance... change your own oil once and poooof there goes the warranty. Also this guy forgot to add the cost of UREA and if you decide to not waste your money on adding urea... the truck goes into a shut down mode your are stranded and only a dealer has the magic computer gadget to re-start your vehicle. Since FORD paid for his meals and hotel and liquor bill.... I think he left out some important issues. Oppps I forgot, what happens when the carbon filter in the exhaust pipe plugs up.....$$$$$$. Look at the pathetic resale value of a Ford 6.0 diesel..... used for 7.3 command much higher prices... even the high mileage trucks. Do not worry..... people will be standing in line to purchase this truck. After all it is a FORD... just like my grand pappy always bought. After market shops what will install "bullet proof" modifications have another cash cow.
OMG so many people don't pay attention. This 3.0 engine was designed and built by FORD for FORDS and yes they sell it to other manufacturers. Remember Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover when this engine was developed. It is code named "Lion". The timing and fuel pump belt need to be changed at 150,000 miles. Check it out on Wikipedia.
It wasn't designed for the F-150 specifically, which is the problem. The 6.7L PS is so good because it was specifically designed just for the Super Duty. Why the hell Ford didn't just spend the money on designing a brand new F-150 diesel engine is beyond me. The F-150 diesel has already proven to be a piece of shit from basically every single review I have seen. TFL got it in limp mode during a tow test. The specs are BARELY above the other engines and yet the cost is extreme. You can't get it in base models. Ect. Ford halfassed this engine.
Ford is the king of trucks by every measure! Great thorough review & assessment. I'm sold. Can't wait to get my hands on one! It's a race for 2nd best among the rest. Again . Now the new Ranger is coming out too! Great job Ford.
You might be disappointed, EPA changes in recent years have made it much harder for aftermarket tuners. Look at the Cummins diesels there were all sorts of aftermarket things for them but once you get past 2014 models there isn't much available. Also bear in mind that this is already a much higher tuned engine producing what used to be the stock power for engines of twice the displacement so they are already "tuned". No doubt more can be achieved, but you would be running some high levels of boost etc. to achieve it and likely lose reliability.
It sounds awesome other than the fact that it has no passing power. If it is faster than my Grand Marquis I want one. Time to trade my work car known as the rolling couch for a truck. I know I want an F-150, but deciding on which engine.
Anyone else notice the rubber timing belt at the 0:40 spot? Can you hear the "ch-ching ch-ching" from a mechanic's glee when either scenario presents: the belt needs to be changed for preventive measures, or the worst, belt has snapped causing damage to valves & pistons. So much for savings in operating costs.
Looked like an easy money job to me, rubber bands are always fun- and I bet if they figured in a timing belt replacement every 50k it would prolong the life of the motor
I agree on timing belts, they have become increasingly hard to change on vehicles as there seems more and more things are placed in the way and engines more "shoehorned" in to vehicles. That will be a costly visit to the Ford dealer for certain. For the private owner keeping a vehicle over the long haul the Cummins is still the best buy IMO for anyone using a diesel for any sort of towing etc. The Ford 6.7 requires the cab to be removed for fairly minor issues, not something you can attempt in your driveway. More and more vehicles seem to be set up so maintenance and every day repairs are really hard to carry out, I think they figure that the original owner will have sold them before such issues become necessary, but they set up a nightmare for subsequent owners.
You forgot one thing. Yes this truck is great for someone who tows around town or pleasure. But what about someone who uses the truck as a commuter over 100 miles a day. And doesn't want to buy fuel every 3rd or 4th day of the week. I have a 2014 Ram ecodisel. And that is exactly what I use it for. Even with the higher price of diesel over gasoline and the price for DEF at the pump. I'm still looking at a savings of almost 100 gal of fuel per oil change cycle. Or rughly $400 or more dollars a year in fuel costs and only stopping for fuel one time a week. So savings in time lost stopping for fuel.
Sean Fritz lol huge savings of $33/month and the 10 mins at the pump . If those savings mean something to you , u prolly shouldn't be driving an expensive truck like this
Hrsplit Hr well when you look at my last truck and do a real world comparison. I am saving money and time. So let's look at it. My last truck was a 2001 5.2 2wd quad cab with a 26gal tank. Average was 17mpg. Now the new Ecodiesel is 4x4 outdoorsman crew also with a 26gal tank and average of 23mpg and about 2,000 more lbs towing. And if you think the truck is expensive you're quite wrong. The outdoorsman was a mid trim level. And I also got it used. So do a bit of research before comments. So in short this truck has saved me 100 gal of gasoline I would have been buying with my last truck to do the same amount of miles in the diesel.
Sean Fritz so in about ten or twelve years you will have made up the difference. Makes sense. Hope you're not paying interest on a truck loan you might hand to go 15 to break even
Yes I’d like one and it’s nice to see Ford 150 with a smaller diesel. I hear a lot about the Cummins 2.8 liter 4 cylinder.Going into various vehicles as a retrofit. Overseas in South Africa and Australia you see a lot of Toyota and Mitsubishi pick up diesels which sell very well there as I’m sure they would In the States if they were available. I hear that Mitsubishi is considering introducing a small pickup with a diesel. The 200 I think it is.
The cummins 2.8 is the worst engine in cummins history. It as a super bad reputation in China. If you buy it as a retrofit kit they will give you 90 days warranty. Which mean that you will run out of warranty before having finished your swap. There is a tons of 3.0L from reputable manufacturer in Europe and Asia. It's too bad that Toyota don't offer their 4.5L Twin turbo v8 diesel in the tundra. It's the emission law that make most diesel not viable in north america.
@@dlamardeyoutoube the toyota diesel 4.5L V8 is meant to be only on the almighty land cruiser 70 series. Is a low-stress engine with few hp and decent torque, that engine is meant to last decades, not to perform en speed or towing heavy loads
This was a solid video review. I think all of the information you presented would be beneficial and help guide me if I was in the market to buy one of these trucks.
The 94 was not called a Powerstroke and only made 195 hp @ 3300 rpm 395 pot @1800 rpm. Design life 150k miles of the 3.0 diesel? I said in the last video I saw of this guy. He is just reading from the book. The timing belt last 150k miles.
'94 was the origin of the Power Stroke, it was IDI. The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death.
Get an old truck. From the 90s. If you're going to do a lot of towing then they're the vehicles to get. The 460 7.5l gas V8 or 7.3 Diesel V8. They might be expensive to drive on a daily, but your gas mileage doesn't really change while going highway speeds whether you have a load or not.
Dude they test these things extensively. As a shareholder at Ford we strive to bring u quality innovative products from day one. "Quality is job one". Believe that!
I purchased mine and have 1,000 miles on it so far. Mixed towing, 4500 lb Boat and 1500lb Quad. Average 19.8 MPG. :) So far I love this truck. Can't wait to get it out on open road to see how far I can go on one tank. I Live in Western Pa near Pittsburgh Pa. So we have hills/ stop/ start a lot. Glad I did it. My advise. Just send it!
`Ford was all set to introduce a 4.2L diesel engine in the F-150 back in the 2009 MY, but backed out at the last moment. I know that they built at least 50 prototypes and did some retro-fitting at Roush Industries in Livonia, MI in the Spring of 2008. I wonder whatever became of that engine design and why they backed out at the last minute??? I would love to know the rest of that story...….
2 1/2 months so far with my own 18 f150 diesel (Plat. Trim). The amount if driving I do to not only get to work/jobsite (highway) and the amount if engine hrs while on site (city type of driving) I have zero complaints so far. The transmission configuration makes me a tad nervous especially with the control module but the gas mileage is much better under the same driving conditions (downing or free drive) vs my old 17 f150 eco boost. So far its worth the money. Just waiting to do some extras which people have yet to come up with. Feel free to comment with questions or if you've heard of a legitimate aftermarket dealer
Could be start up costs for a new and smaller assembly line. They are shooting for the diesel to be 5% of F-150 sales. If it gets to 30% like 2.7, 3.5 and 3.3 it should get cheaper I think. fyi V8 is now about 10%
Can someone clarify what he means at 2:30 when he says that the Ford engineers gave this 3.0 power stroke a service life of 150,000 miles? Does it mean that after reaching that mileage the engine is toast? Honda civics 4 banger engines see 300,000 miles easily? i'm confused...
DirtRoadLanding It means you're looking at new timing and fuel pump belts at that time. Expensive repairs due to the labor. But if you can DIY, not so bad. A lot of vehicles with timing belts tend to have 50-90k intervals so this one is better. But the fact that it has two belts relatively deep in the engine as opposed to a chain...it sucks.
2007 F-250 CrewCab 6.0L Diesel PowerStroke...OK had a man do a 100% one of a kind tune, K&N Filter and After Market water filter system, no egr delete, no cat delete nothing extra. Mileage well my best @73 mph at night, cool no wind towing a empty steel 20' car hauler flat bed......38 MPG! No lies here. OK Pulling a empty 30' HD very heavy flate bed Gooseneck trailer to Austin Texas......75mph (all test have A/C on) I got 17-19 mpg, Loaded up 5 - very larger 20 and 30 ton commercial roof top air-conditioners stacked two high. Ok heading back to West Texas with load, this is "Hill Country" 70-73 mph I got 12-14 mpg! I love this truck and it been doing this now for two plus years. Why can't Ford make their do this? Again no reason to lie or fudge I am happy and plenty of witness to this. Have a Great Day
NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SNOWFLAKES THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS VIDEO. THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST EXPLAINED AND SHOWCASE VIDEOS PRODUCED. THANKS FOR SHARING.. AND YES, THE DIESEL ENGINE WOULD BE MY CHOICE WHEN AND IF THEY PUT IT IN THE XL AND XLT BASE MODELS..
sdushdiu That’s assuming it’s loaded down and ran hard every single day and it doesn’t necessarily mean it blows up at 150k. That’s basically what they predict before something has to be replaced on or inside the engine..water pump, timing chains, rear main seal etc. The average person will likely use it as a daily driver with occasional boat/trailer that will weigh less than 1/2 the maximum rating, maybe on the weekends. Others may put an airstream behind it a few times a year. All car manufacturers have a rated life span and it’s generally around 100,000 miles but as we know most modern engines can last well beyond that before anything like the oil pump or any seals go.. Some are rated less than 100,000 miles and still last far beyond.. It’s just a number they put out that I personally do not get why.
@@EricFortuneJr. Eric Fortune Jr. Yeah, NOTHING will require servicing prior to 150K miles."That’s basically what they predict before something has to be replaced on or inside the engine..water pump, timing chains, rear main seal etc" No dimwit, that is a not an anticipated service interval, that is the LIFECYCLE rating. But it's hilarious that your rationalization renders the number meaningless - as is your rationalization. It's their stated figure and they don't qualify it in the manner that you attempt to do. It is up to them to say what they mean and to mean what they say. And they say NOTHING to the effect of what YOU assert. But that you for your anecdotal explanation that ultimately means nothing. LMAO!
sdushdiu I have verified sources that pretty much state the same.. Never said “nothing major would happen at 150k” things do wear out and break. I’m not into the whole “troll wars” thing and I do apologize if my last response flew over your head. I can understand the frustration of an individual of your density.
@@EricFortuneJr. In other words, you can't cite sources that discredit what I said and you have nothing of substance to add you pubescent fuckwad troll. Now run along and surprise your mommy by cleaning up your bedroom before she has to tell you to do so asshat.
It's pointless to not have it in xl and xlt trucks it needs to be in base model regular cab shortbed/longbed models to knock out all the competition...allot of farms and field workers need this truck don't be greedy this could change the truck world if there smart with this idea...
@1:41 LMFAO "black smoke"..... @9:28 LMFAO AGAIN! EDIT: Also, WTF!!! B50 life is 150k miles? Even the 6.0L has a B50 of 300K. 7.3L B50 is 350K!!!Even the garbage LLY Duramax has a 250K B50!
If you truely think a 3.0 modern diesel produces more harmful emissions than a 5.0 v8 gas engine then you need to check again...
“The black smoke emitting-“ shows a black woman smoking 😂 yo what
I stopped the video at that part and came straight to the comments to see if anyone else noticed it 🤣
388 pound comment. Shows obese woman! Hahah
Legit howling at the audacity
Put it in the "Ranger"!!
I like the way you think!
A new badass version of the old 80's perkins diesel Ford Rangers!!
yeah and sell it here in asia .. and dont forget to junk those new ranger raptor 2.0 biturbo ... thers no replacement to displacement ...
ford ranger in asia has 3.0 diesel :P
@@ravenguirao9081 its 3.2 inline 5 .. but im questing that the new engine for the ranger raptor will eventually replace those 3.2 i5 ..
Anyone slamming this diesel has never experienced the torque on a modern turbo diesel.
Small, modern diesels amaze me! I never thought that we'd ever see numbers like these from relatively small displacement diesels. Seriously considering a baby diesel repower for my '98 Ranger....
@@wagoneer81 I have a 2012 Ranger crew cab 4X4 with an international Powerstroke 3.0 liter Inline 4. Waste gate turbo intercooler integrated to the radiator. Only emissions item is the egr. Factory 3 inch exhaust with no Catalyst just 2 high flow muflers. I had the ecu reflashed it went from 163 HP and 260 FP torque to 210 HP and 320FP torque. It has a powerband like an old 2 stroke motocrosser. A blast to drive at 25 pounds of boost. And it gets 25 MPG hammering full boost everywhere and up to 32 MPG driving really light.
It's a good truck for its purpose! My f150 3.0 diesel 4x4 gets 25mpg
Yup you said it I test drove an f 150 turbo diesel even thought the horsepower was low, it had a lot of torque
Right I had a 2010 VW TDI Cup Edition w/2.0 Turbo Diesel only had 140 ho but 240 tq was a blast to drive averaging over 65 mpg in mostly city start and stop go traffic.. Was a great car, rare only made 1401 of the cup edition sadly car was totaled when a minivan ran into it while sitting in a common parking lot.
Fords 1st diesel was a 6.9L international engine in the 80s
Idi
the 6.9 wasn’t built by ford bud. this 3.0 was built in house designed by ford
i believe the 6.0 was fords first designed in house engine... explains all the issues i guess eh
Alex In New West cool video
@@austinrichardmusic6351 The 6.0 and 6.4 that replaced it were both designed by international
The only way to test durability of these trucks is to utilize the test of time
real world - real people, agreed
Right, any diesel can take a beating for a day. When emission sensors go out and exhaust filter needs replacement, all the reliability and fuel savings go out the window
this engine has been out overseas for a decade bro. Do some research before opening your mouth.
@@Trumplican I'm not sure if they have the same emissions shit on them over there. The epa standards are very strict in this country
I think they will need to hold onto the diesel option for a few years, and work out how to get the price down, or make it available in every trim package before it will be a big seller. remember, lots of us are still paying for the depression we were in and are holding on to what money we have just in case.
There are so many new truck options out there now. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
There is nothing like a Toyota hilux 3.0 turbo diesel
I've watched just about every video on this truck that came out this week from that test day Ford put on. Yours was by far the most informative and structured. I got way more information from this in comparison to the others. It's like the other guys have so many subscribers they don't even try to put out quality content. Thanks for the effort, and some of this background video clips were funny.
Thanks for that, really appreciate it.
I miss the black smoke emitting and more reliable Diesel's that we could buy before our crooked government and the EPA screwed us in 2008
I don't miss being behind them. Especially on the trail.
Nothing like getting used oil from the mechanics and fueling it up belching that stuff!
Two word; seven three.
Jondavid Bristow hooray for pollution
we got a 6.7 2014 ford powerstroke emissions deleted tuned makes plenty of smoke
Seriously? Design life of the engine is only 150k miles? I'm on 292k on my 7.3 and my friend has 440k on his 6.0. So double the fuel economy, but not even half the engine life.
That's the timing and fuel pump belt service intervals.
The engine is based on landrover, should last a very longtime.
*1D10CRACY* your nickname kinda fits you
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I have the XLT FX4 2019 w/3.0 turbo diesel. Ready lift 3 inch lift. Love it as much as my 2004 6.8L Excursion (that I bought new and STILL have). I see this truck being with me for at least 10-15 years. So many upgrades available to tweak any perceived shortcomings. Fuel economy is no joke REAL! I own and operate a farm and travel to city at times for work. All around awesome truck. BTW, got the Linkswell 12.1 inch T screen system too.
I'm a fan of diesel for fuel economy and low end torque, but for 5500 extra and having to buy a Lariat or higher I have no regrets about getting my 5.0 xlt. It would take many kms to pay off those extra expenses.
I agree it needs to be in the lower trims.
This engine with some tweaking could’ve been a great option and Ford has the ability to compete with Ram and GM in this category. I think they gave up too quick on this engine.
Plus they were offering too many engine options in this category…
Would love to see them put a powerstroke in the expedition. We pull a travel trailer with ours, having the extra torque would be nice.
A 2000 7.3 can go 750K miles. This engine is a 150K engine.....really🤨
Comparing apples to oranges.....
Did I forget to tell you, there is no timing chain or belt in the 7.3....straight cut gears.... straight cut gears.....
they don't use gears on the smaller diesels because it's quieter to use a belt or a chain and 90% of the people buying these trucks care about shit like the noise the truck makes over how it actually tows/hauls.
The engine is not new and is a beast for longevity....its 150k before any real mx to that engine which is not bad. The 6.7 is a 300k mile engine.
Our first 6.7 never made it to 100K. The turbo failed several times under warranty then an injector failed and welded itself to a piston - the engine literally tore itself apart. Over $14,000 in repairs.
Like the flathead v8 of yesterday, but the flathead had helical timing gears.
Yep my 5.9 can go well over a million these new trucks suc it's like the 70s all over again.
As an old Ford fan, I have to admit that Ford has a real problem holding on to BAD design for several years. I won't try anything new on a Ford.
Any recent bad luck? My last new Ford was an '99 Explorer.
Ford builds world class diesel engines that will surpass cummins 1 to 2 million miles ya no shit have you ever seen a ford 200 pickup well ford builds them 1million mile 40 mpg probabley top speed in access of 120 mph
You will never will see one here corrupted car manufacture
Joe O it’s not a new engine
Great truck! I bought it at Christmas and am getting 24+ mpg. It tows whatever I need to wherever I'm going. It was pricey, so if yer broke stick with a '94 with 7.3 ;)
I think if you buy this engine you like wasting money. The 2.7 bests it in hp and only down 40 ft lbs and the 3.5 produces something like 90% of its 470 ft lbs from 1,800 rpm and 90% is 423 lb ft with a higher tow rating and no DPF, DEF, EGR, SCR Etc. So this truck will end up costing you thousands more literally for a couple of ft lbs of torque. Not to mention it has a timing belt and another belt for the fuel pump. I’m a huge ford fan but not this time. They should know better than just slapping a Range Rover engine into a F-150.
hpkntnw Agreed, I will keep my 3.5 eco. It is a tow monster!
you and the other guy forget fuel economy.
ze3bar, you forget the extra cost of owning a diesel, fuel cost more, maintenance cost more, the motor cost more, at a 6 mpg better than gas you will never recover the extra cost.
No need for this motor, give me a 5.0
Newton Washinton it’s not that much more to maintain a diesel. Especially a small diesel.
Have 2 diesels, HD Duramax and a BMW. I don't see the value proposition here. For the price, why not get the F250?
Exactly
BrianNC81 this is equally as high tech and strong with liter duty and less price pt . Mine is on order already loaded Lariat in ruby red!
It's because some people don't need an HD. If you aren't towing anything of weight and want a little more MPG and ride comfort, the F150 is great. And the same trim packages in the 250 still are 10k+ more. Which, then i would say what about the 3.5L ecoboost, but that even costs MORE than the 3.0L Diesel with less MPG. It tows more, but the MPG drastically falls when towing with the 3.5L. I drove the F150 with the new 3.0L, and I must say I am VERY impressed. Had to stop throwing out the PowerJoke term now I feel in love with it. Just not the price, but it is quality.
@@@Davido50...stopped at a light in town and the guy next to me had a silver F150 powerstroke. Said he got 23 mpg in town. Could even hear it-while talking window to window in my 3.5 explorer
Bc the F250 don't get 24 mpg
It has more power than the 1994 powerstroke.....sorry, but that's not a reason to be excited. Everything is more powerful than the 1994 powerstroke lol.
I have a diesel 150. I use it as a commute vehicle for 80% of the miles. i regularly tow in the summer and atv and a canoe. I put on about 35,000km or 21,000 miles per year. It is a 2021 and now has 51,000 km or just over 31,000 miles. It rides like a cloud. I have 2KO tires on it and I regularly get 34 miles/gall(imperial) on a daily commute of 124 km or 70 miles round trip. I love my 3.0L and have no idea why Ford stopped manufacturing them. it is, in all that I do, a marvelous vehicle. I fish from the logging roads of northern Ontario and have no worries in my vehicle preforming there. When you are two hours in from the highway it has to work.
one one the biggest advantages of diesel which is seldom mentioned is time savings. You get much more range between stopping for gas, and less frequent oil changes. The time savings over the life of a vehicle amounts to a free vacation.
Less frequent oil changes you say? Ha!
“According to ford the engine is designed for 150,000 miles” yeah because that’s worth $70,000....no thank you.
I would have liked to see a bigger number too.
grumpy old fart A lot of people are learning that the "diesel is better" lie is just not true. It was all made up by the manufacturers to sell their expensive designs. All the power in the world is useless if it's broke down needing ANOTHER $2000 in repairs. I can buy a new engine for my old truck for that much. Big rigs use Diesel engines but those aren't the ones they are putting in pickups. You really can't beat a simple and reliable gas engine.
grumpy old fart thanks, I was gonna buy an 03 duramax but I decided to go with a 2012 with the 6.0 gas.
Jimmy4x4 Socal Good move. The early Duramax engines have injector problems. $4,000-$5000 to fix. Even a simple oil change costs double with a diesel.
Jimmy4x4 Socal thats the recommended interval change for timing chain and tune up not the engines life span just like on a crown vic it says to change timing chains at 150k but most people got anywhere from 300k to a million miles without it. It's not required its recommended im sure you can drive this truck well past 300k with basic maintenance... Learn before you comment.
When I get my dream truck, it's still going to have the 7.3 in it.
ou could restore a kick-ass classic
This 3.0 powerstroke has as much power as an 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes
@@joeygallegos3503 yep, but I ain’t paying for one.
I bet that if you contact the fleet salesperson at your Ford dealer, you would have no problem getting into an XL or XLT with diesel.
Agreed.
I hear that this engine is ONLY available on top line models, not the XL or the XLT unless it is a fleet vehicle.
And as I said, if you want an XL or XLT with diesel, I bet a fleet salesperson would be happy to sell you one.
You'd have to have a F.I.N. code from Ford to purchase. That alone differentiates between a retail purchase or fleet purchase.
@@walterwillis5351 Try it. It won't work.
The photo of the road that winds up after the mountain side at 5:40 is from Norway. It's called Trollstigen. I do not live so far from here. If anyone wants to come and see this and other nature experiences, give me a message and I can recommend wonderful routes in Norwegian nature 😀
By the way, this Power Stroke F150 is on my list when I'm replacing my Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2016 3.2 diesel in a few years.
Looks like a beautiful place, thanks for letting us know.
In Australia we have the V6 diesel in the Ford Territory very good engine and the i5 in the ranger also a good engine we have 250 of them in the fleet were I work most 4x4 give a very good run.
Just bought a 2018 F150 3.5L, and so far have found very little lacking, except for the placement of the headlight switch and the brake controller. My XLT is as loaded as you can get without going up to the Lariat, and most of those features I have no use for, didn't care to pay the extra amount. As impressive as the diesel is, it is only available to normal consumers in the Lariat and above versions, so you have to pay the premium for that level of indemnities, then, you have to pay extra for the diesel engine. For me, it is just not worth the premium price, and I think Ford would sell a lot more of these if they offered the Diesel to consumers and not just fleet costumers in the XLT and lower packages.
Thanks for commenting - good real world advice - and nice choice of truck/engine.
I feel Ford are thinking negatively in their approach, they'd be better to have it available in more models and then be able to reduce the price premium somewhat in anticipation of the cost savings for producing larger volumes of the engines and other specific components.
Ford should be dropping this into suvs and big heavy cars. Timing belt is a bad choice though. By the time the engine pays you back you’ll have to basically rebuild it
Timing belt change is designed to be moderately easy. Costs about $550 at a auto shop. Dealer is a bit more. Done in 4 hrs 1 person.
Timing belt is way better than chain. Had to replace my chain on a ‘13 F-150 3.5 EB and it was $3K.
I got over 450,000 miles out of my 4.9 inline 6-cylinder in my 1990 F-150 XLT LARIAT,without any issues at all so far as leaking or burning oil.
That's awesome. I assume you were on top of the maintenance?
4WD Magazine I changed oil once a year in it.I've been a Amsoil dealer since 1999 and since then I've only used Amsoil in everything I own.
I thank it will be very nice to have a Diesel engine in a F150 will make a beautiful truck diesels the way to go no doubt
I was pretty stoked to see it. If I was running a business using half-tons, I would replace them as soon as possible with fllet XL diesels.
I traded a 2011 F350 6.7 dually King Ranch which I absolutely loved. However, I am not towing my very large and heavy 5th wheel anymore but still have a couple of trailers that come in around 8000 lbs fully loaded. Haven't had a chance to test these out yet with my 2018 3.0 L Ford 4X4. My fuel mileage is mind boggling compared to the other truck mentioned - of course. Since this is my daily driver, I am very happy. Have seen as high as 31 on highway. So far no issues with anything but then again I only have about 10,000 k on it. It is a very quiet truck as well as very comfortable. With regard to price, after haggling with my dealer there was only about 18000 difference with trade which included my tax of 13 % and dealer prep. The MSRP was listed at $76,000. Nope, nobody is going to pay that so stop suggesting that is the price. Maybe in the mid 60s without trade but this is a fully loaded Lariat. Not quite as nice inside as my King Ranch but just as comfortable. With regard to acceleration, it is just fine and can pass anything on the highway at highway speeds in a very quick fashion. I also have a 3.5 eco-boost Flex and there is no comparison - but - I drove some high powered muscle cars in late 60s early 70s and those beasts would not come close to my eco-boost. Lets not compare a 250 hp diesel with a 365 hp twin turbo gas in a much lighter vehicle. All in all, this is a great little diesel half ton pickup. It does the job with great efficiency and comfort. It will pull comfortably without continuous shifting because of its torque rating. Pulling anything over 10,000 lbs with a half ton is like the tail wagging the dog. Don't do it. I have had Ford & GM diesels and each have their own good and bad. I am not brand loyal. I go with the best deal for what I need my vehicle to do. In this case, it was Ford. If you wish, I will comment again after my trip to eastern Quebec pulling my trailer with sleds - full size stand up inside 20 footer.
How did that go just curious? And have you had any major issues with the truck if you still have it?
Since this was 3 years ago, how are things now? Looking at buying used one with 30k on it.
How heavy is the f150 power stroke with all the features? I say they should put the 3.0 in an 8000 pound truck and then tow.
9:30 talking about weight savings and a picture of a large woman pops up on the screen.
P Pha was wondering if I was the only one who noticed!
The point was that Ford didn't need to wait for the weight savings because the engine was heavier than gas engines - lots of people weigh more.
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@4WD Magazine - now that's a BULLSHIT response. I can't even offer you a "nice try".
@P Pha - oh snap. I jumped right to 9:16 so I could hear the build up and BAMM...thanks for pointing this. Hilarious.
He sounds like a kid I knew in grade 5. When he'd read in class, he'd pause at the end of the line, and read right through the punctuations
You lost my interest when you said the 5.0 was a couple thousand less
I want the 2018 f150 powerstroke 3.0 liter V6 diesel but I won't be towning at all, maybe hauling a couple things in the bed every once in a while. what would the mpg be like if I were to drive it like a sports car on City/HighWay?
You'd be much happier with 2.7L Ecoboost. The diesel just do 'sporty'.
I get 25mpg easy driving. 22-23 heavy footed hiway.
Get the 2.7 for sports car driving and bed toting
Liked how you made the video - easy to understand if we listen carefully, plainspeak all the way. Great Video!
Thanks, greatly appreciated.
I think they'll be lucky to get 5%. Diesel is currently running 80-90 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded here in Central Texas. There will probably never be a financial payback for spending the extra $3000 up front even with the better mileage. And that's talking apples to apples, if you're not looking to buy a Lariat or above already, it makes no financial sense whatsoever.
Now, some people will buy them because they like diesels and/or were looking to get a Lariat or Platinum anyway. More power to them. But for most of us who live in the real world, the upfront cost doesn't justify itself with a cost savings down the road.
I like the 3.2L Diesel Duratorque that Ford sells here in Philippines with their Ranger,for years now,but I like better my Nissan Np300 with the 2.5 turbodiesel from Nissan-Renault,awesome all the way.
Thanks for sharing. Turbo diesels have been selling well outside North America for a while now.
How is the reliability on your 2.5 Nissan engine????? the ones produced in 2017-2019 were burning a lot of oil
@@tacuazinful the engine still great,I just do the maintenance on schedule and so far so good,its got 148K kms right now.
@@theopinion9452 excelent!!
Saw one of the new '19 3.0 diesel F150 FX4'S today while fueling up my '17 F250 SD. The new 3.0's look slick, I know a few of my boat owning friends could use one. Hope it works out well for Ford Motor Company... Those new F 150 Diesels look clean....
its literally the same truck but with a powerstroke badge instead of ecoboost
The 150k miles is the belt replacement interval. Not the engine "longevity"
Nice truck bit I'll keep my 7.3 TANK👍🇺🇸👊
I dont know but I'll nurse my 06 F150 5.4l. The prices on a 1/2 ton are getting beyond its capacity. I'll save up for a 3/4 ton.
Go big if it's better for you - absolutely.
Thanks for the review. ford never took a government bailout. It shows in their improvements. Chevy did. It’s funny when Chevy tries to sell their trucks with lies. ‘Most awarded’ “longest lasting on the road” “or my chevy tells a story” all lies. Ford won LeMans twice to prove a point to Ferrari. Just because, with our GT40. a Ford man for life!
I am considering the 3.0. If I can start a fleet truck program to get it in the xlt. If not will get the 5.0. We are growing as our fleet will. Full size will always be a Ford.
Just look at emergency vehicles, mostly Fords.
D & M Roofing and Sheet Metal LLC Ford is king of trucks hands dwn ur right. That's all we run too. All bought new F150s w/Ecoboost. Run em hard and maintain em well never let us dwn . We ordering a new '19 F150 3.0 Powerstroke for the boss. Ford strong!
Ford got 23 billion in loans from major banks later bailed out by taxpayers and still went to washington 2 years later.
GM paid out between 1990 and 2005 more money in health and retirement benefits than most countries.
Ford dominates in pickups GM/Chevy in cargo vans.
Those dorky narrow Ford European vans aren't catching on.
Dodge out sells ford if you take out government fleet sales .
Dodge out sells Ford in what area? Dodge can't make fleet sales because no fleet owner is stupid enough to have large numbers of Dodge vehicles lined up outside their shop awaiting repairs while they are needed for road use. The 2.7, 3.7 and 4.7 engines were junk and ruined any fleet sales for Dodge pickups. The repair costs are just to high. The 3.0 Dodge diesel was a complete disaster that is still ongoing. The 3.6 is a huge improvement over those engines but it takes a while to live down the legacy of decades of crap reliability.
Dan Thurston this last year in the heavy diesel pickups they almost did . If you take away fleet sales dodge almost out sold them with a big Cummins. For guys are finally getting tired of the motor blown up every 90,000 miles cough up 20k grand. There is a guy in Texas who had 18 out of 20 6.0 trucks go down one hot summer day. Probably never heard about all the lawsuits either that Ford had against them for people dying in their ambulances when the 6.0 blowup. I work in heavy equipment construction every company I know of has a row of blown up 6.0 6.4 junk . I actually like the ford truck itself. Motor is junk . I’ve done hundreds of thousands of miles hot shotting with Dodge Cummins manual tranny. Seen fords litter all over the highway constantly. I’ll keep my Cummins. I’ll use the same motor that a peterbuilt has .
I pull a ToyHauler which weighs 8000 - 10000 lbs and I couldn’t afford the extra weight of a Diesel engine in an F150 since it would decrease my payload capacity. The 3.5 L has pulled the ToyHauler 23000 miles over mountains without issue
For the price cost , I can’t in anyway justify how the 3.5 eco boost is not a superior option. The advantage on diesel is of course economy , but with maintenance , significant cost , not really any better towing the the advantage of economy is none unless you literally tow long distances , frequently to justify it .
It's a pretty close toss up and I agree with you.
D L. As far as reliability yes , but can’t justify the cost . Now if I was getting a 3/4 ton truck and towing 10k often I would go diesel all day long. These half ton diesels cost what you can pick up a lightly used 3/4 diesel for
D L. That really depends , with the incentives sometimes you are better off buying new when you can get it thousands off the sticker . I have actually seen 1-2 year old trucks for sale the same price you can buy a new one negotiated so it really does depend . There also times used is better , just depends on time of year , incentives how market it is.
I have 4 Fords in my fleet. Two gas and two diesel. Buying Ford diesels was one of the worst business decisions I’ve ever made. Until they get rid of the diesel particulate filter or make some serious changes, I won’t buy another one.
Seems logical they wouldn’t put their new diesel in the XL trim level. They are afraid it can’t hold up in a work truck.
Ford makes great trucks, but their Diesel engines are money time bombs! I’d buy this truck and sell it before the warranty runs out.
What years are the trucks? Just wondering.
TomatheGreek 2008 and a 2009
At 3:14....you say 30 mile per hour benchmark...thinking you may have meant 30 mile per GALLON...seeing as you have a fuel gauge behind you...
Good catch, thanks.
All I can say is, if you want a diesel equipped truck, buy one. If you want a gasoline equipped truck, buy one. It's your money, do with it what you want. To each his own.
These are not sold in Europe but the smaller pick up trucks, Ranger, Hi Lux, L200, etc are and if more than 5% of them were gasoline I would be surprised. Fords estimate of the diesel having 5% of sales is laughable to Europeans or indeed anywhere outside of North America
Only time will tell..
It's crazy how most of the planet embraced diesels decades ago - we'll see what happens in NA.
Diesels have always been much more prominent in Europe and are just about "compulsory" in suv's and pickups because the economics of ownership are completely different when gas is $8+ a gallon and diesel is often slightly cheaper. With those fuel costs a few extra mpg makes a big difference.
I was all about this truck but then I heard GM announce the strait 6 duramax. I'm gonna have to wait to see how that one turns out.
The diesel may get better mpg but in my town diesel is nearly 80 cents more per gallon. So it actually cost more to drive the diesel truck.
That's a good point.
I don't know the figures for the F150 diesels, but I've owned two 3/4 ton diesel trucks and cannot claim savings in running costs, because the oil changes and other maintenance such as fuel filters adds to the overall costs considerably in addition to the more costly fuel. I run a diesel for convenience at the end of the day, when I tow my travel trailer or boat it's just so easy to hold your speed even on gradients and with headwinds, and provides such a relaxing ride on long trips. Yes getting 12-14 mpg towing beats the 6-9 mpg with the gas engined trucks I've owned, but you'd have to drive along way to recover the extra purchase price and the costs of keeping it on the road.
The only other gas trucks I'd consider would be the Chevy 6.2 or the Ford 3.5 ecoboost. The Chevy requires premium gas and the Ford will run at lower horsepower without premium.
250 hp and 440 ft of torque......honestly that’s not very impressive, I own a 2005 6.0 liter powerstroke that has 325 hp and 570 ft of torque sure I get 13 mpg around town but on the highway I get 16 mpg and with a little tuning I can get 16 mpg city and 24mpg highway. And the greatest part is it doesn’t cost 70,000 dollars and it only has very few emission devices, I think this was a big flop for ford.
Good info - thanks.
IF you bullet proof the motor, which is ballpark a lot of money (still cheaper than a new truck)
Great video and thank you for your honesty. After watching a dozen videos from the Ford F150 Power Stroke event and reading a half dozen articles, I have come to one conclusion... This motor is for people who tow large trailers. Period. For me, it would be a waste of money and a huge hit in my commuting "time" budget because this truck would not have the beans needed to pull out and pass a slower vehicle as I travel through the mountains of western Maryland and West Virginia. The 3.5L EcoBoost with a 36 gallon tank would give me the same range plus I would have the ability to overtake vehicles easily in the mountains as I do with my current V8. Any savings resulting from an increase in fuel economy would be lost in the extra expense of maintenance of the baby PowerStroke along with the added cost of DEF and the seasonal winter fuel additive. As I do not tow large trailers on my regular trip through the mountains, there would be no benefit for me owning this motor. So, the decision has been made and my next truck will have a gasoline motor and a 36 gallon fuel tank.
Thanks for the kudos.
@D L. If towing even 7-8,000lbs you'll see a massive difference between what the 3/4 and 1 ton diesels have to offer in pulling power and the ease with which they can handle such loads in terms of brakes and suspension. The 1/2 ton diesels seem like a good idea on paper, but when you look at the prices compared to the heavier duty larger engined trucks, they don't make sense to me.
so an engine capable of 300k, 24 mpg, 600 - 700 hp , and over 400 lbs of torque ??? like my cummins in a heavier truck is the reason I don't own a ford f150.
Great video Perry! Really interested to see how reliable it is.
Thanks, me too. I was hoping they would tell me they had put some extra real world testing into this engine in the F-150. But the only response I got was 'we did the usual testing'.
You will NEVER get your money back over the base engine. 3000 dollars more, more expensive maintenance and higher fuel prices. Only designed for 150k miles.
He forgot to mention that the warranty will not be honored unless you take it to a dealer for every expensive mandated maintenance... change your own oil once and poooof there goes the warranty. Also this guy forgot to add the cost of UREA and if you decide to not waste your money on adding urea... the truck goes into a shut down mode your are stranded and only a dealer has the magic computer gadget to re-start your vehicle. Since FORD paid for his meals and hotel and liquor bill.... I think he left out some important issues. Oppps I forgot, what happens when the carbon filter in the exhaust pipe plugs up.....$$$$$$. Look at the pathetic resale value of a Ford 6.0 diesel..... used for 7.3 command much higher prices... even the high mileage trucks. Do not worry..... people will be standing in line to purchase this truck. After all it is a FORD... just like my grand pappy always bought. After market shops what will install "bullet proof" modifications have another cash cow.
OMG so many people don't pay attention. This 3.0 engine was designed and built by FORD for FORDS and yes they sell it to other manufacturers. Remember Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover when this engine was developed. It is code named "Lion". The timing and fuel pump belt need to be changed at 150,000 miles. Check it out on Wikipedia.
That's right.
It wasn't designed for the F-150 specifically, which is the problem. The 6.7L PS is so good because it was specifically designed just for the Super Duty. Why the hell Ford didn't just spend the money on designing a brand new F-150 diesel engine is beyond me.
The F-150 diesel has already proven to be a piece of shit from basically every single review I have seen. TFL got it in limp mode during a tow test. The specs are BARELY above the other engines and yet the cost is extreme. You can't get it in base models. Ect.
Ford halfassed this engine.
Jellyfrosh I love ford and adore my 2017 f250 6.7, for $70,000 you can buy a low trim level 6.7 and have wayyy more power. Just doesn’t make since
for 70k you can get a king ranch F-350.
Jellyfrosh all set and done I walked out of the dealership paying $76,862 for SA platinum f250 decked out every accessori
Ford is the king of trucks by every measure! Great thorough review & assessment. I'm sold. Can't wait to get my hands on one! It's a race for 2nd best among the rest. Again . Now the new Ranger is coming out too! Great job Ford.
I bet with all the emissions equipment deleted and some tunes it would be pretty quick
That's what I love about the aftermarket - give them a diesel engine to work with and they'll drive the hp and torque through the roof.
Don't expect a tune to be available anytime soon my l5p is still locked up
You might be disappointed, EPA changes in recent years have made it much harder for aftermarket tuners. Look at the Cummins diesels there were all sorts of aftermarket things for them but once you get past 2014 models there isn't much available. Also bear in mind that this is already a much higher tuned engine producing what used to be the stock power for engines of twice the displacement so they are already "tuned". No doubt more can be achieved, but you would be running some high levels of boost etc. to achieve it and likely lose reliability.
It sounds awesome other than the fact that it has no passing power. If it is faster than my Grand Marquis I want one. Time to trade my work car known as the rolling couch for a truck. I know I want an F-150, but deciding on which engine.
Thanks for commenting. It's been a while since I was in a Grand Marquis.
An ecoboost is a good option, those trucks haul ass the police use them in their units in NM
425 hp at 3000 + RPMs or a RPM you'll never use
Anyone else notice the rubber timing belt at the 0:40 spot? Can you hear the "ch-ching ch-ching" from a mechanic's glee when either scenario presents: the belt needs to be changed for preventive measures, or the worst, belt has snapped causing damage to valves & pistons. So much for savings in operating costs.
Looked like an easy money job to me, rubber bands are always fun- and I bet if they figured in a timing belt replacement every 50k it would prolong the life of the motor
I agree on timing belts, they have become increasingly hard to change on vehicles as there seems more and more things are placed in the way and engines more "shoehorned" in to vehicles. That will be a costly visit to the Ford dealer for certain. For the private owner keeping a vehicle over the long haul the Cummins is still the best buy IMO for anyone using a diesel for any sort of towing etc. The Ford 6.7 requires the cab to be removed for fairly minor issues, not something you can attempt in your driveway. More and more vehicles seem to be set up so maintenance and every day repairs are really hard to carry out, I think they figure that the original owner will have sold them before such issues become necessary, but they set up a nightmare for subsequent owners.
You forgot one thing. Yes this truck is great for someone who tows around town or pleasure. But what about someone who uses the truck as a commuter over 100 miles a day. And doesn't want to buy fuel every 3rd or 4th day of the week. I have a 2014 Ram ecodisel. And that is exactly what I use it for. Even with the higher price of diesel over gasoline and the price for DEF at the pump. I'm still looking at a savings of almost 100 gal of fuel per oil change cycle. Or rughly $400 or more dollars a year in fuel costs and only stopping for fuel one time a week. So savings in time lost stopping for fuel.
Very good point!
Sean Fritz lol huge savings of $33/month and the 10 mins at the pump . If those savings mean something to you , u prolly shouldn't be driving an expensive truck like this
Hrsplit Hr well when you look at my last truck and do a real world comparison. I am saving money and time. So let's look at it. My last truck was a 2001 5.2 2wd quad cab with a 26gal tank. Average was 17mpg. Now the new Ecodiesel is 4x4 outdoorsman crew also with a 26gal tank and average of 23mpg and about 2,000 more lbs towing. And if you think the truck is expensive you're quite wrong. The outdoorsman was a mid trim level. And I also got it used. So do a bit of research before comments. So in short this truck has saved me 100 gal of gasoline I would have been buying with my last truck to do the same amount of miles in the diesel.
Sean Fritz so in about ten or twelve years you will have made up the difference. Makes sense. Hope you're not paying interest on a truck loan you might hand to go 15 to break even
Sean Fritz were are talking about the new Ford diesel here $70k .
How did you get one. None of the dealers in my area can get them yet.
Yes I’d like one and it’s nice to see Ford 150 with a smaller diesel.
I hear a lot about the Cummins 2.8 liter 4 cylinder.Going into various vehicles as a retrofit.
Overseas in South Africa and Australia you see a lot of Toyota and Mitsubishi pick up diesels which sell very well there as I’m sure they would
In the States if they were available. I hear that Mitsubishi is considering introducing a small pickup with a diesel. The 200 I think it is.
Thanks for the comments. You're right about small diesels sold overseas - there are millions of them.
The cummins 2.8 is the worst engine in cummins history. It as a super bad reputation in China. If you buy it as a retrofit kit they will give you 90 days warranty. Which mean that you will run out of warranty before having finished your swap. There is a tons of 3.0L from reputable manufacturer in Europe and Asia. It's too bad that Toyota don't offer their 4.5L Twin turbo v8 diesel in the tundra. It's the emission law that make most diesel not viable in north america.
@@dlamardeyoutoube the toyota diesel 4.5L V8 is meant to be only on the almighty land cruiser 70 series. Is a low-stress engine with few hp and decent torque, that engine is meant to last decades, not to perform en speed or towing heavy loads
Did this one break down like the one TFL truck tested a while back (broke down twice actually while testing)?
This was a solid video review. I think all of the information you presented would be beneficial and help guide me if I was in the market to buy one of these trucks.
Thanks, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
The 94 was not called a Powerstroke and only made 195 hp @ 3300 rpm 395 pot @1800 rpm. Design life 150k miles of the 3.0 diesel? I said in the last video I saw of this guy. He is just reading from the book. The timing belt last 150k miles.
'94 was the origin of the Power Stroke, it was IDI.
The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death.
95 was the 1st PS
Sounds awesome till you realize it has a timing belt...
Belt technology has come along way, but I need to see 300,000 trouble free miles before I give up the Tundra
He said it's a 150,000 mile engine
The GM 3.0 Diesel uses a belt to drive the oil pump, that is soaked in oil. How long do you think that will last.
It's not a 150k engine. The belt just needs replaced around that mileage. Which to me is dumb, just throw a chain on it. But oh well.
Get an old truck. From the 90s. If you're going to do a lot of towing then they're the vehicles to get. The 460 7.5l gas V8 or 7.3 Diesel V8. They might be expensive to drive on a daily, but your gas mileage doesn't really change while going highway speeds whether you have a load or not.
I’m going to wait for the bugs to get worked out. I don’t need a lariat. I want an engine and a gas tank.
Thats a good strategy.
Dude they test these things extensively. As a shareholder at Ford we strive to bring u quality innovative products from day one. "Quality is job one". Believe that!
This guy clearly is a seasoned salesman. He selling a useless 1/2 ton diesel. 150,000 miles is a through back to the Ford v8 in the 70s
Did you say the life of the motor is 150,000 miles that's crap
well that statement is false
They mean that at 150K you have to replace timing belt. Engine will last longer, but not without major expense.
Thats what he says....so it must be true
James Holbrook That is good for a Ford
Mike Foehr I mean I don't disagree
im looking at a reg cab just to run around in with my business. no towing , would i be better getting a gas ? aren't diesels sluggish?
I'm sure enjoying my 17 250 PS. Plenty Strong . Good info. guys , TKS.
Thanks for commenting - great to hear from someone with experience.
My 18 f350 is been good too !! Pulling 18-26k every day
I purchased mine and have 1,000 miles on it so far. Mixed towing, 4500 lb Boat and 1500lb Quad. Average 19.8 MPG. :) So far I love this truck. Can't wait to get it out on open road to see how far I can go on one tank. I Live in Western Pa near Pittsburgh Pa. So we have hills/ stop/ start a lot. Glad I did it. My advise. Just send it!
My 2016 F-150 with a 5.0 gets 15-17mpg pulling a 4,000 pound skeeter boat with all my gear.
That's a good match. Your V8 should last forever.
2011 f150 EcoBoost pulling 4,000 bass tracker at 70mph. Only gets 10mpg
`Ford was all set to introduce a 4.2L diesel engine in the F-150 back in the 2009 MY, but backed out at the last moment. I know that they built at least 50 prototypes and did some retro-fitting at Roush Industries in Livonia, MI in the Spring of 2008. I wonder whatever became of that engine design and why they backed out at the last minute??? I would love to know the rest of that story...….
The 5.9 Cummins lasts over a million miles these new trucks suc it's like the 70s all over again.
@@kingdaniel3519 Hah funny joke.
@@RiggyRonnie It's not funny when it's true.
@@kingdaniel3519 Hah. Please quit joking😂
@@RiggyRonnie Calling something a joke when you don't want to hear the truth doesn't magically make it not true.
@@kingdaniel3519 Well at least it doesn't blow engines every other week.
Are they still offering these motors? It isn’t an option on the websites.
I believe sales will be eight to 10% of total of F-150
I can see that too. Over time, anyone who tows a lot will save a lot of dough and enjoy driving it.
Everyone knows that the Ford Ranger is just the Mazda BT50 in disguise.
2 1/2 months so far with my own 18 f150 diesel (Plat. Trim). The amount if driving I do to not only get to work/jobsite (highway) and the amount if engine hrs while on site (city type of driving) I have zero complaints so far. The transmission configuration makes me a tad nervous especially with the control module but the gas mileage is much better under the same driving conditions (downing or free drive) vs my old 17 f150 eco boost. So far its worth the money. Just waiting to do some extras which people have yet to come up with. Feel free to comment with questions or if you've heard of a legitimate aftermarket dealer
Thanks for the comment. It's great to hear from someone with realworld experience!
same for me 3 months 16000 miles with 1500 lbs load in the bed 570 miles per tank that truck is really good to me
3 grand over the v8 seems sorta strange to me. Where does all of that $ go in the diesel?
Could be start up costs for a new and smaller assembly line. They are shooting for the diesel to be 5% of F-150 sales. If it gets to 30% like 2.7, 3.5 and 3.3 it should get cheaper I think. fyi V8 is now about 10%
Your “Filet Mignon” looks more like a RIBEYE 🥩 good sir! For the cost, I’d opt for the 6.7 SD, makes more sense.
So for six straight years of payments around $1,000 a month you get a truck that's designed to last 10 years what a joke
So just like the Chevy, the new diesel is only expected to live 140K miles.
Very disappointing.
No, that's simply what the warranty covers
@@JoshNeff94 No, the warranty is 3/36 & 5yrs or 60K.
Can someone clarify what he means at 2:30 when he says that the Ford engineers gave this 3.0 power stroke a service life of 150,000 miles? Does it mean that after reaching that mileage the engine is toast? Honda civics 4 banger engines see 300,000 miles easily? i'm confused...
DirtRoadLanding It means you're looking at new timing and fuel pump belts at that time. Expensive repairs due to the labor. But if you can DIY, not so bad.
A lot of vehicles with timing belts tend to have 50-90k intervals so this one is better. But the fact that it has two belts relatively deep in the engine as opposed to a chain...it sucks.
Thanks for that info
nope, those are not _"expensive repairs",_ few hundreds... thats after several years of significantly better mileage
you people really think us (significantly poorer on average) Europeans would drive diesels if they weren't cheaper to run?
Jaroslav Záruba good point. I’m thinking about the GMC Canyon with the 2.8 liter Duramax. I think those are good strong engines
The first in house powerstroke was the 6.7 not the 6.0
That's true.
@@4WDMagazine also the first international diesel ford used was the 6.9l not the 7.3
2007 F-250 CrewCab 6.0L Diesel PowerStroke...OK had a man do a 100% one of a kind tune, K&N Filter and After Market water filter system, no egr delete, no cat delete nothing extra. Mileage well my best @73 mph at night, cool no wind towing a empty steel 20' car hauler flat bed......38 MPG! No lies here. OK Pulling a empty 30' HD very heavy flate bed Gooseneck trailer to Austin Texas......75mph (all test have A/C on) I got 17-19 mpg, Loaded up 5 - very larger 20 and 30 ton commercial roof top air-conditioners stacked two high. Ok heading back to West Texas with load, this is "Hill Country" 70-73 mph I got 12-14 mpg! I love this truck and it been doing this now for two plus years. Why can't Ford make their do this? Again no reason to lie or fudge I am happy and plenty of witness to this. Have a Great Day
Heart broken. 3.0 discontinued. Mine still going with 400k plus miles. Basic maintenance and no major repairs. Average 20mpg
I think it will be lived in Australia in Ranger and Everest top models
I'm pretty sure 30 miles per hour is not an EPA rating you meant 30 miles per gallon ...
You're right! There were a few times I got marbles in my mouth, no matter how many times I tried to get it perfect.
NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SNOWFLAKES THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS VIDEO. THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST EXPLAINED AND SHOWCASE VIDEOS PRODUCED. THANKS FOR SHARING.. AND YES, THE DIESEL ENGINE WOULD BE MY CHOICE WHEN AND IF THEY PUT IT IN THE XL AND XLT BASE MODELS..
A diesel with a rated lifecycle of ONLY 150K miles?????LMAO! Buy a Cummins and get a REAL diesel.
sdushdiu That’s assuming it’s loaded down and ran hard every single day and it doesn’t necessarily mean it blows up at 150k. That’s basically what they predict before something has to be replaced on or inside the engine..water pump, timing chains, rear main seal etc. The average person will likely use it as a daily driver with occasional boat/trailer that will weigh less than 1/2 the maximum rating, maybe on the weekends. Others may put an airstream behind it a few times a year. All car manufacturers have a rated life span and it’s generally around 100,000 miles but as we know most modern engines can last well beyond that before anything like the oil pump or any seals go.. Some are rated less than 100,000 miles and still last far beyond.. It’s just a number they put out that I personally do not get why.
@@EricFortuneJr. Eric Fortune Jr. Yeah, NOTHING will require servicing prior to 150K miles."That’s basically what they predict before something has to be replaced on or inside the engine..water pump, timing chains, rear main seal etc" No dimwit, that is a not an anticipated service interval, that is the LIFECYCLE rating. But it's hilarious that your rationalization renders the number meaningless - as is your rationalization. It's their stated figure and they don't qualify it in the manner that you attempt to do. It is up to them to say what they mean and to mean what they say. And they say NOTHING to the effect of what YOU assert. But that you for your anecdotal explanation that ultimately means nothing. LMAO!
sdushdiu I have verified sources that pretty much state the same.. Never said “nothing major would happen at 150k” things do wear out and break. I’m not into the whole “troll wars” thing and I do apologize if my last response flew over your head. I can understand the frustration of an individual of your density.
@@EricFortuneJr. In other words, you can't cite sources that discredit what I said and you have nothing of substance to add you pubescent fuckwad troll. Now run along and surprise your mommy by cleaning up your bedroom before she has to tell you to do so asshat.
sdushdiu Y’all never seize to amaze me. 😂
It's pointless to not have it in xl and xlt trucks it needs to be in base model regular cab shortbed/longbed models to knock out all the competition...allot of farms and field workers need this truck don't be greedy this could change the truck world if there smart with this idea...
FOOLS ARE RUNNING FORD NOW.
@1:41 LMFAO "black smoke"..... @9:28 LMFAO AGAIN! EDIT: Also, WTF!!! B50 life is 150k miles? Even the 6.0L has a B50 of 300K. 7.3L B50 is 350K!!!Even the garbage LLY Duramax has a 250K B50!
Would have been nice to see higher numbers. Feels like built in obsolescence.
Lol, "Ford did not pay me, but they did comp the shit out of my hotel, room service and meals". Good one...
None of the manufacturers want to pay journalists to write, they want it all for free.