@@Joesmith-mg6xdI think you're mistaking the poor with criminals. Huge difference. The criminal element is the problem not lower income people. If anything the lower income is who Bart needs to stay afloat.
It's 20 cents more, dude. Don't act like they're doubling the fare. Oh, and Caltrain and the Capitol Corridor both cost at least 3x more to go the same distance. I'd gladly pay 2 or 3x for BART if it were as safe and clean as Caltrain and the Capitol Corridor! Like, "shut up and take my money"-gladly!
@@jasonwyland5198 I have never heard of anyone ever getting stabbed or shot on either Caltrain or the Capitol Corridor. I am hearing about such incidents on BART constantly. Now this might be media bias and the fact that BART serves orders of magnitude more riders. But still... Both Caltrain and CC are heavily staffed. BART trains are literally devoid of any BART employees. Anything could happen to you on BART with no one even knowing until your body is found. They really need to add more cops and fare inspectors. This is getting ridiculos.
@@therealpinoyhapa privileged class refers to AA's who are committing nearly all the crimes in the SF bay area. Not the wealthy, who would never ride BART.
The NY Subway is a subway. BART is a regional metro, an S-Bahn. S-bahn type systems are always priced by the mile. That's completely normal. In fact, BART is pretty affordable compared to the German S-Bahns and the French RERs. Again, this is purely a distance thing. If you're going 10 stations on the NY Subway you're going about the distance of a single BART stop. If we want to make BART fares as little as a subway then we'll have to also want to pay more in taxes to subsidize that. Do you want to pay for this? (I do BTW, but no one seems to agree with this around here. Everyone just wants to whine.)
@@middleguy1776 so you’re saying a Republican would’ve saved America? Low gas prices No mass shootings No Inflation No high cost of living Everything would just be peachy huh:)
@@secretagentcat when was the last time California had a Republican governor? And Reagan and the Bush clan have been it for 40 years until Trump. That's hardly a majority.
This is so sad. BART is getting it from all sides - loss of funding soon, ridership dropped due to the recent work from home culture, rampant fare jumpers, and the BART train basically functions as a homeless shelter making it disgusting and unsafe to ride.
If it helps them hire more cops and fare inspectors then yeah, actually. By charging more they will get a ton more riders. Most people go out of their way to avoid BART because of unsafe and dirty it's gotten.
Do Bart employee's and their family and friends still get to ride for free. Audit the Bart freebies. Management get to give free ride cards to family and friends.
If only Bart didn't maintain pre-pandemic spending levels and cut operating cost during the pandemic. What were they spending the money on if, at one point, literally no one was riding the train?
2:07 - KPIX inadvertently shot video of a fare jumper. A month or two ago someone plopped a video camera at the BART gates and recorded hundreds of fare jumpers in a single day. The video is posted on RUclips - the title of the video is, "Staggering Fare Evasion Audit: 384 Fare Evaders at the 24th St. Mission BART Station San Francisco"
There are gates that are much harder to jump or push your way through. Many European transit systems use them. The only problem with them is being able to carry large packages through them. Mothers with babies seem to be okay.
If your station agents would pull their noses out of the phone or mirror, they might be able to stop the high percentage of people jumping over the turnstiles. This way, the turnstiles would reflect the number of people riding better, and, fares would be collected.
Ridership is not plummeting, the numbers are skewed by all of the people that jump the gates and ride for free...the cars are often standing room only because one person that you don't dare to ask to move over has taken up 4 seats. BART, STOP the free rides and get the homeless off of the trains and you will increase revenue. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE !!!
All Drugs Dealer's from East Pay Thay Come to San Francisco Every Day at Late After Noon Time and Going Back in Early Morning without Paying One Penny by jumping the Gates and Smoke inside the Bart and Throwing Trash
What a load of crap, yes the far increase will make it worse nobody is going to pay more for crappy service especially when they let the criminals do what they want.
@@middleguy1776 It's impossible for them to hire more cops and fare inspectors without more money. Your alternative is the status quo and we all see how well that works!
@@TohaBgood2 if you looked at what they waste money on in their budget you could see where cuts would be easy. Also the board keeps giving themselves pay raises while continually failing at their jobs. Honestly at this point let them fail like any other business that's hemorrhaging money would.
@@middleguy1776 All of the admin staff and the board are less than one percent of the budget. Running a heavy rail subway, especially one as sprawling as BART is expensive. People looked at the budget. Everything that they could have cut they already did. And this includes the cops and the janitors. And this is exactly why so many people are complaining about crime, vagrancy, and cleanliness. The only thing they haven't cut are the train drivers. But you kinda need those 😁😁😁
How funny. I thought that CA government philosophy was to raise taxes and fees in order to DISCOURAGE behaviors they don't like. Carbon taxes, soda taxes, cigarette taxes - all designed to make undesirable behaviors too expensive and reduce those activities. So they now want to discourage BART ridership?
I lived there and rode the bart for 8 years. The entire time I rode, I saw at least at minimum 50% of riders jump the gates or slide under them. 50% is being nice, it's probably higher than that the amount of fare evasion that goes on. The workers couldn't care less and I think I saw two officers the entire 8 years I was there. Crazy California liberal thinking. Penalize the people who are paying and keep letting the criminals and homeless ride for free.
You use BART's services every time I choose to take BART instead of driving. You're using the space that I opened up for you by riding BART. You're welcome. If you don't want my space on the 880 then I'll just drive from now on, and so will the 200k people that take BART to work right now. Then we'll see how fast you get nowhere on our highways.
@@TohaBgood2 I work from home, I’ll never have to worry about that traffic ever again. I still feel the rider’s should still pay their fair share, Bart won’t last much longer if they don’t.
@@JohnSmith-lk9fv You're getting your food delivered on the highways that BART riders open up for you. The people who deliver you takeout drive on the same highways. Your spouse uses them, your kids use them to get to school. No matter what you try to do you can't run away from BART's impact. It was designed to be a large part of our transportation system. But even outside of this, you will eventually be laid off, or switch jobs and the new boss will force you to work from the office. We went from full wfh to 2 days to 3 days. And now most of the execs want their employees at the office 3-4 days. Most of the job postings emphasize that the positions are "not remote." The job market is tightening. The employees are losing bargaining power. So you will go back to the office, like it or not.
And this is supposed to increase ridership? No guarantee of public safety and high rates to ride and park? Stupid!!! Warped logic by BART, as per usual.
I blame it all on the thugs homeless people grifters & other troublemakers not paying for rides. I think the figure was at $15 million in annual losses due to fare evasion. Cant wait for the new fare gates. Should have been installed long before this millennium.
BART needs to make parking free and start hiring safety officers. If they do that I guarantee riders will come back in masses. After they come back raise parking. It’s gonna suck in the short term but be huge in the long term.
Whatever, it's 20 cents. Who cares?! Why don't you deal with the safety and cleanliness issues instead. I guarantee you that precisely no one cares about your 20 cents increase in fares, but everyone cares about the safety and cleanliness issues!
Some solutions that a private enterprise that is not subsidized would do in light of decreased customer demand: - Transition staff to part-time or layoffs (both rank & file and management) - Reduce number of cars per run to reduce electrical costs and equipment wear - Reduce some runs altogether - Dig deep to squeeze out more efficiency from existing resources The system needs to be properly sized for the demand. Cannot artificially support such huge system when ridership is 40% of what it was and not rising. If and when ridership does return, then start reversing the above and enjoy the benefits of increased system efficiency from digging in deep previously.
@@HuyHoanghouston Basic rights, from abortion to 1st Amendment. You got nome of it, but hey, your stores arent leaving because they never entered to begin with
What are the paper pushers making? Charging more for parking and ride fares from those that utilize and rely on services is not the answer. They are your bread and butter. Make a conscious effort to keep out loiterers, fare jumpers, and riff raff. Clean it up - make it safer... Right now my attitude is, "Nah... I'll drive".
Instead of raising fares why don’t you try fare enforcement? Hang out in a Bart station and you will see all the creative ways to avoid paying care. And the station manager (who makes 300k/yr) just watches and does nothing
It's 20 cents, bud. Some of the homeless might be impacted by this, but even the lowest income riders won't even notice this increase. It's 5% below inflation for gossakes!
@@TohaBgood2 i hope you use this same logic when gas sky rockets this summer. You Americans just love eating all the bull$hit from Washington. No wonder you are gonna lose world war 3.
There is an easy way to fix this - turn all the parking at BART into mixed use and market rate housing. Focus on building vibrant places where you only need to park once to explore the entire town. Bad urbanism yields poor ridership and poor economic flow.
The underlying message being told here is that work from home is bad. I for one think there needs to be a triple down on encouraging businesses to offer work from home. At the end of the day all efforts should go towards quality of life for citizens, not how to sustain dated systems.
@@middleguy1776 that is absolutely not true. In fact, productivity has increased over time, largely due to advancement in technology and machinery. Even if that weren’t the case that still shouldn’t take precedent over quality of life of everyday people. You sitting in traffic an extra hour and a half a day to complete a task that could be done from your home is ridiculous and any company that can function with a work from home option should.
@@Robfromthebay "We've seen ongoing sluggishness with economic output, all the while experiencing a very strong labor market recovery," said Gregory Daco, chief economist at EY-Parthenon, the strategy consulting arm of global accounting and advisory firm EY, which produced the insight using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
@@Robfromthebay In the first half of 2022, productivity - the measure of how much output in goods and services an employee can produce in an hour - plunged by the sharpest rate on record going back to 1947, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Get majority of BART board of directors to resign
They should be all in jail, wasting so much money and putting so many people in dangerous,
This will only make Bart problems even worst
@@Joesmith-mg6xdI think you're mistaking the poor with criminals. Huge difference. The criminal element is the problem not lower income people. If anything the lower income is who Bart needs to stay afloat.
@Joe smith If the poor people mowing your lawn can't get to work, you're going to have to start mowing the lawn yourself Joe.
Lol yes who’s the idiot that brought this up. I’ll just stop paying taxes. Shots already going down the toilet.
How exactly? it's a 10-20 cent increase. It will do precisely nothing.
@Joe smith Actually, the people jumping the gates is very diverse. Everyone does it. Rich or poor, there are no consequences for it.
2:08 fare evader caught on camera
This comment is epic
BRILLIANT !!! Permit the privileged class/ homeless to jump the gates, then charge the rest MORE to use BART. BRILLIANT !!!
It's 20 cents more, dude. Don't act like they're doubling the fare. Oh, and Caltrain and the Capitol Corridor both cost at least 3x more to go the same distance.
I'd gladly pay 2 or 3x for BART if it were as safe and clean as Caltrain and the Capitol Corridor! Like, "shut up and take my money"-gladly!
@TohaBgood2 how often has someone been shot or stabbed on either of those services?
@@jasonwyland5198 I have never heard of anyone ever getting stabbed or shot on either Caltrain or the Capitol Corridor. I am hearing about such incidents on BART constantly.
Now this might be media bias and the fact that BART serves orders of magnitude more riders. But still... Both Caltrain and CC are heavily staffed. BART trains are literally devoid of any BART employees. Anything could happen to you on BART with no one even knowing until your body is found. They really need to add more cops and fare inspectors. This is getting ridiculos.
Do the privileged class who live in the Bay are even ride BART??? Deficits are always charged back to the consumers.
@@therealpinoyhapa privileged class refers to AA's who are committing nearly all the crimes in the SF bay area. Not the wealthy, who would never ride BART.
The fees are already astronomical! Look at NYC, the subway is way less expensive. How come the custodians make 200k a year. Insane!
The NY Subway is a subway. BART is a regional metro, an S-Bahn. S-bahn type systems are always priced by the mile. That's completely normal. In fact, BART is pretty affordable compared to the German S-Bahns and the French RERs.
Again, this is purely a distance thing. If you're going 10 stations on the NY Subway you're going about the distance of a single BART stop. If we want to make BART fares as little as a subway then we'll have to also want to pay more in taxes to subsidize that. Do you want to pay for this? (I do BTW, but no one seems to agree with this around here. Everyone just wants to whine.)
Everything going up but our pay:)
Welcome to democrat party rule in America. You must be too young to remember the Obama presidency.
@@middleguy1776 so you’re saying a Republican would’ve saved America?
Low gas prices
No mass shootings
No Inflation
No high cost of living
Everything would just be peachy huh:)
@@middleguy1776 america has had a majority republican presidents the past 3 decades.
@@secretagentcat when was the last time California had a Republican governor? And Reagan and the Bush clan have been it for 40 years until Trump. That's hardly a majority.
@@middleguy1776 bots need to get better.
This is so sad. BART is getting it from all sides - loss of funding soon, ridership dropped due to the recent work from home culture, rampant fare jumpers, and the BART train basically functions as a homeless shelter making it disgusting and unsafe to ride.
If I was in the area, I wouldn't pay either.
Enforce the fares.....people treat BART like a free taxi
Bart is digging their own grave.
they will drag down a lot of business and quality of life as they go down.
socialist transportation always runs out of other people's money.
If there's not many customers then make your product more attractive by lowering your prices.
No wonder my Clipper card gets emptied out so fast (each top-up refill is between $25-40). Jeez......
Time to shut down this ineffective, inefficient waste of a system for homeless, fair evaders and administrators cost the taxpayers billions.
That’s how you get people back on the train! Charge more 😑
If it helps them hire more cops and fare inspectors then yeah, actually. By charging more they will get a ton more riders. Most people go out of their way to avoid BART because of unsafe and dirty it's gotten.
The real problems are the criminals and mentally ill who harass or assault riders
They raise prices as demand is falling.
Swirling the enconomic drain of disaster.
Do Bart employee's and their family and friends still get to ride for free. Audit the Bart freebies. Management get to give free ride cards to family and friends.
If only Bart didn't maintain pre-pandemic spending levels and cut operating cost during the pandemic. What were they spending the money on if, at one point, literally no one was riding the train?
During the initial pandemic should have shut down and re done the lines to make smoother and less patch work fixing
The sunk costs are already there.
2:07 - KPIX inadvertently shot video of a fare jumper. A month or two ago someone plopped a video camera at the BART gates and recorded hundreds of fare jumpers in a single day. The video is posted on RUclips - the title of the video is, "Staggering Fare Evasion Audit: 384 Fare Evaders at the 24th St. Mission BART Station San Francisco"
Just eliminate the pensions and the problem is solved
There are gates that are much harder to jump or push your way through. Many European transit systems use them. The only problem with them is being able to carry large packages through them. Mothers with babies seem to be okay.
A solution that doesn't address the root issue.
I read it’s because they don’t enforce payment of fares
Best thing they could do is sell it to the private sector. I am certain if this was run privately, fare evasion would cease.
If your station agents would pull their noses out of the phone or mirror, they might be able to stop the high percentage of people jumping over the turnstiles. This way, the turnstiles would reflect the number of people riding better, and, fares would be collected.
Looks like a pretty sweet gig, 6 figures to sit around and do nothing.
Whatever you do, don't cut costs! Good old Spendocrats.
Bahaha, looks like I’m jumping it even more
Ridership is not plummeting, the numbers are skewed by all of the people that jump the gates and ride for free...the cars are often standing room only because one person that you don't dare to ask to move over has taken up 4 seats. BART, STOP the free rides and get the homeless off of the trains and you will increase revenue. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE !!!
All Drugs Dealer's from East Pay Thay Come to San Francisco Every Day at Late After Noon Time and Going Back in Early Morning without Paying One Penny by jumping the Gates and Smoke inside the Bart and Throwing Trash
What a load of crap, yes the far increase will make it worse nobody is going to pay more for crappy service especially when they let the criminals do what they want.
@@Joesmith-mg6xdhow has that worked out with fare increases before and crime?
@@middleguy1776 It's impossible for them to hire more cops and fare inspectors without more money. Your alternative is the status quo and we all see how well that works!
@@TohaBgood2 if you looked at what they waste money on in their budget you could see where cuts would be easy. Also the board keeps giving themselves pay raises while continually failing at their jobs. Honestly at this point let them fail like any other business that's hemorrhaging money would.
@@middleguy1776 All of the admin staff and the board are less than one percent of the budget. Running a heavy rail subway, especially one as sprawling as BART is expensive.
People looked at the budget. Everything that they could have cut they already did. And this includes the cops and the janitors. And this is exactly why so many people are complaining about crime, vagrancy, and cleanliness.
The only thing they haven't cut are the train drivers. But you kinda need those 😁😁😁
@@TohaBgood2 so the anime ads and flip flops they made we're sound business decisions?
How funny. I thought that CA government philosophy was to raise taxes and fees in order to DISCOURAGE behaviors they don't like. Carbon taxes, soda taxes, cigarette taxes - all designed to make undesirable behaviors too expensive and reduce those activities. So they now want to discourage BART ridership?
I lived there and rode the bart for 8 years. The entire time I rode, I saw at least at minimum 50% of riders jump the gates or slide under them. 50% is being nice, it's probably higher than that the amount of fare evasion that goes on. The workers couldn't care less and I think I saw two officers the entire 8 years I was there. Crazy California liberal thinking. Penalize the people who are paying and keep letting the criminals and homeless ride for free.
They have to raise rate’s, my taxes have been paying for that shit service that I don’t use. Rider’s should also have to pay their fair share.
You use BART's services every time I choose to take BART instead of driving. You're using the space that I opened up for you by riding BART. You're welcome.
If you don't want my space on the 880 then I'll just drive from now on, and so will the 200k people that take BART to work right now. Then we'll see how fast you get nowhere on our highways.
@@TohaBgood2 I work from home, I’ll never have to worry about that traffic ever again. I still feel the rider’s should still pay their fair share, Bart won’t last much longer if they don’t.
@@JohnSmith-lk9fv You're getting your food delivered on the highways that BART riders open up for you. The people who deliver you takeout drive on the same highways. Your spouse uses them, your kids use them to get to school. No matter what you try to do you can't run away from BART's impact. It was designed to be a large part of our transportation system.
But even outside of this, you will eventually be laid off, or switch jobs and the new boss will force you to work from the office. We went from full wfh to 2 days to 3 days. And now most of the execs want their employees at the office 3-4 days. Most of the job postings emphasize that the positions are "not remote." The job market is tightening. The employees are losing bargaining power. So you will go back to the office, like it or not.
And this is supposed to increase ridership? No guarantee of public safety and high rates to ride and park? Stupid!!! Warped logic by BART, as per usual.
I thought cali has the 7th biggest economy in the world? How can they not be able to fund this?
Raise it 5000%. Fount many are actually using their money to pay now
Not sure how raising parking fees and rider fares will make more people ride BART.
The most ridiculous item of the day. When business is slumping, raise your parking fee from $3 to $8 & your most expensive fare from $8 to $9.
I blame it all on the thugs homeless people grifters & other troublemakers not paying for rides. I think the figure was at $15 million in annual losses due to fare evasion. Cant wait for the new fare gates. Should have been installed long before this millennium.
BART needs to make parking free and start hiring safety officers. If they do that I guarantee riders will come back in masses. After they come back raise parking. It’s gonna suck in the short term but be huge in the long term.
Staff the gates with security and turn away/arrest fare evaders.
Build Multi Family Housing / Grocery Stores/Pharmacies at BART Parking Lots that are underutilized. They will make money off the development…
Why bother to pay more? Just jump the turnstyle.
Bleed out Bart, and end your Democrat inflicted pain.
Screw FART.....stop riding when they went on strike putting the Bay Area commuters to a complete STOP!!
Lol, I wouldn’t ride on BART even if they paid me 😊
Their chief marketing strategist must of received their MBA from PotatoU
Lady from Budweiser, hold my beer
That'll bring em back 😂
Whatever, it's 20 cents. Who cares?! Why don't you deal with the safety and cleanliness issues instead. I guarantee you that precisely no one cares about your 20 cents increase in fares, but everyone cares about the safety and cleanliness issues!
They should be cutting salary & bonuses of top execs
Some solutions that a private enterprise that is not subsidized would do in light of decreased customer demand:
- Transition staff to part-time or layoffs (both rank & file and management)
- Reduce number of cars per run to reduce electrical costs and equipment wear
- Reduce some runs altogether
- Dig deep to squeeze out more efficiency from existing resources
The system needs to be properly sized for the demand. Cannot artificially support such huge system when ridership is 40% of what it was and not rising. If and when ridership does return, then start reversing the above and enjoy the benefits of increased system efficiency from digging in deep previously.
management?? That seldom ever happens both in public and private operations.
Go Woke
Go Broke
I still got my rights, you dont
@@siberiaball6803 what right? Right to steal?
BART should make a commercial with the cars full of Drag Queens 🤣
@@HuyHoanghouston Basic rights, from abortion to 1st Amendment. You got nome of it, but hey, your stores arent leaving because they never entered to begin with
This is going to push more people to drive or take AC transit.they are going the wrong way,no safety no passenger.that is for sure.
Soak the desperate who need to get the work.
San Francisco and California needs to lower taxed to attract companies that aren't based on the tech industry.
Bad move
What are the paper pushers making?
Charging more for parking and ride fares from those that utilize and rely on services is not the answer. They are your bread and butter. Make a conscious effort to keep out loiterers, fare jumpers, and riff raff.
Clean it up - make it safer...
Right now my attitude is, "Nah... I'll drive".
Buainess 101..if people dont like your services, charge them more!!!
unfortunately BART isn't a business
Good nobody ride bart anyways. It's home for the homeless only.
To much incitement and entitlement
Yep they're done. Let's raise costs amidst lower ridership and increased crime.
And how are they supposed to hire more cops and fare inspectors to deal with the crime? With magic unicorn fairy dust money?
LOL, insolvent
Instead of raising fares why don’t you try fare enforcement? Hang out in a Bart station and you will see all the creative ways to avoid paying care. And the station manager (who makes 300k/yr) just watches and does nothing
that requires them to actually do something and goes against what everyone at BART does
lol ill just continue to evade
They're hiring more cops and fare inspectors. Eventually they'll start catching with you scum.
BART riders will further decrease and Casual Carpool riders will increase.
Waymo is still a free ride-hail service in San Francisco. 🤭
Who cares? I've never even ridden the homeless roller-coaster.
You should care.
If you live in that area, you are indirectly paying for this money losing operation.
@Blue Chex being a California resident, is stupid. So much better with an out of state address.
Good!!! Show those poor people to work harder 😂
It's 20 cents, bud. Some of the homeless might be impacted by this, but even the lowest income riders won't even notice this increase. It's 5% below inflation for gossakes!
@@TohaBgood2 i hope you use this same logic when gas sky rockets this summer. You Americans just love eating all the bull$hit from Washington. No wonder you are gonna lose world war 3.
Vote them out
haha..
There is an easy way to fix this - turn all the parking at BART into mixed use and market rate housing. Focus on building vibrant places where you only need to park once to explore the entire town. Bad urbanism yields poor ridership and poor economic flow.
The wealthy riders need to subsidize the free ride of the poor.
Is this satire?
Socialist transportation is a great idea until you run out of other people's money.
The underlying message being told here is that work from home is bad. I for one think there needs to be a triple down on encouraging businesses to offer work from home. At the end of the day all efforts should go towards quality of life for citizens, not how to sustain dated systems.
Productivity is way down with the working from home. That's an issue for businesses. Especially when productivity is way up in countries like China.
@@middleguy1776 that is absolutely not true. In fact, productivity has increased over time, largely due to advancement in technology and machinery. Even if that weren’t the case that still shouldn’t take precedent over quality of life of everyday people. You sitting in traffic an extra hour and a half a day to complete a task that could be done from your home is ridiculous and any company that can function with a work from home option should.
@@Robfromthebay "We've seen ongoing sluggishness with economic output, all the while experiencing a very strong labor market recovery," said Gregory Daco, chief economist at EY-Parthenon, the strategy consulting arm of global accounting and advisory firm EY, which produced the insight using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
@@Robfromthebay In the first half of 2022, productivity - the measure of how much output in goods and services an employee can produce in an hour - plunged by the sharpest rate on record going back to 1947, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
@@Robfromthebay American worker productivity is declining at the fastest rate in 75 years-and it could see CEOs go to war against WFH
BART is one of the most mismanaged public transit systems in the country. This is why their independent auditor quit/was forced out.
only way to fix 50 years of bad management is to get rid of the management ...let BART run out of money and collapse
Yea that wont bring people back. Lol