Suzuki DF200AP outboard BUY or BIN - 90 hours of usage HONEST engine review!!!

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @hesnothere9708
    @hesnothere9708 2 года назад +1

    ordered my df200 today . was going yamaha vf225LB looked at in in crate saturday . your video was what i needed to see. had the suzuki dt140 pair from 1994 til 2020 , never gave me a lower unit problem . fuel pumps / carb cleaning was all they ever needed friend still running them . aways knew if they made the in line 4 in 150-200 it would be special . your video told me what i already knew was possible . thank you from panacea florida.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      No worries! You will love it, enjoy

  • @nicholasmira588
    @nicholasmira588 2 года назад +2

    You just made my decision for me! So excited to get my new 2022 Suzuki 250!

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Yeah just make sure you get a Suzuki which has lean burn! Those without are quite bad on fuel. Literally, be careful

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 4 месяца назад

      @@BaitBallin I have the 2023 DF200HP APX Suzuki. How can I determine if this motor is lean burn or not?

  • @markheath9172
    @markheath9172 2 года назад +4

    Had a Suzuki DF200 for 10 years on my boat - great motor no problems. One major benefit of Suzi is they are much cheaper to service than other brands. My 100hr dealer service is around $600 whereas my friend's Yamaha is over $900.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Very interesting! Yeah I think my last service was about 650 also. 900! That's insane

    • @markheath9172
      @markheath9172 2 года назад

      @@BaitBallin Hondas are even more apparently

  • @peterrobins6000
    @peterrobins6000 3 года назад +2

    G'day finally at age 60 brought my first ever BC 615 br in Nov 2019 with Suz150. Awesome fuel economy & plenty of grunt when crossing those sketchy bars also purchased with the minn kota ulterra. Like yourself I,m not the tallest bloke God gave breath to however I can launch & retrieve the boat on my own as I got Blake's to put on fully fabricated alloy steps which bolt onto the trailer just in front of the spare no drilling etc & can be removed & can be put on another Easy Tow trailer if I ever decide to change rigs All I do is reverse down into the water climb up the steps while grabbing the anchor for extra support & into the front of the boat. Same deal when exiting the boat after retrieval More than happy to send some pics just not sure how to do it on this platform. Hope this has been helpful. Ps enjoy your honesty , tips & videos. Cheers Pete

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      Hey Pete sorry I missed this one some how, awesome stuff and I will ask Blake's about those steps sounds very good!!

  • @79cruiser
    @79cruiser 3 года назад +2

    Another honest vid, thankyou. I haven't been a fan of Suzuki in outboards but your points are correct and now my new boat also has two of them! In WA it is hard to find any new boats and to get a test drive in them is virtually impossible. Its a sellers market and unfortunately not too many of the dealers go the extra to secure a deal. I ended up with a Caribbean 2400 with twin 150's and all the fruit. Totally different to the Quinny pressed ali boat I've had for 19 years but handles and rides sweet. Hopefully pick it up in a couple of weeks and i'll let you know how is goes. Thanks for all your suggestions and info along the way and congrats on the 500 subs! You're personal touch replying to posts goes along way to this. Well done Graeme

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +2

      Thanks Graeme! omg I love the Carribbean 2300 but especially the 2400. absolute dream boat, what a beast. yep I basically can't even read magazine or dealer reviews anymore because there is ALWAYS motivation behind them and they never truly talk about the flaws...

  • @manipulatorxxx9620
    @manipulatorxxx9620 3 года назад +2

    Suzuki motors is the best even their motorcycle engine is so good..its a very credible and reliable brand..worth every penny 😍😍

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      yep certainly makes me feel safe and confident on the water!

  • @dgnz7628
    @dgnz7628 2 года назад +1

    Appreciate the unbiased, honest review mate. I'm looking to repower my extreme 695GK with a yamaha or Suzuki. I'm leaning more towards the Suzuki for extra change in my pocket!

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Yeah agreed. I'd pretty much go suzuki every time just for value for money. The DTS yammys are seriously expensive

  • @wesleymcgrath5175
    @wesleymcgrath5175 2 года назад +4

    I'm a bit surprised they didn't offer you a 4 blade prop when you specified your usage. I have a solas 4 on my 670c and it's been a transformation. Out of the hole and mid range massive improvement in torque and economy.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Yep 100% I'm doing the same. Did it impact your top speed?

    • @wesleymcgrath5175
      @wesleymcgrath5175 2 года назад

      Yeah, dropped from 36 to 33 kts. Top speeds off the WA coast are very rare. Long runs across the gulf in Exxy are the only time I missed the top end. That's with a 150 yamaha.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Ok no worries thanks. Should be getting it down just before Xmas. Will see how it goes and do a video of it

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 4 месяца назад

      Hi Wes. Can you provide the spec of your 4 blade solas prop you use for your 670c? Thank you.
      Cameron

    • @wesleymcgrath5175
      @wesleymcgrath5175 4 месяца назад

      ​@Camh1968 so when I posted this I had a 14.25 * 17 solas prop and it did drop some top speed and WOT revs. So I ended up swapping it for a Powertech prop from Oz propellers which was a 14.25 * 16. PTZ4R16PCLYX200
      Which I found gave me more top speed and revs 37kts 5900rpm. Very happy with that.

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 Год назад +1

    Hi .
    Can I ask why you chose the I-4 over the V6 Suzuki 200HP for the bar crusher?
    Cameron

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  Год назад

      Lighter weight and fuel economy. The V6 Suzi's aren't awesome on fuel. And very little real world difference in terms of performance. Both good engines though.

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 Год назад

      @@BaitBallin many thanks. A V6 Suzuki 200HP owner with a BC 670HT advised me that he preferred the V6 200 over the I4 200HP in open water with big swells and carrying 3 adults over long distances…
      How does the I4 200HP handle these conditions?
      Any mods to the I4 needed to handle these same conditions like the V6 would?
      How to optimise the mid-range in the I-4 200HP Suzuki?
      Would that extra 30kg of weight on transom (from the V6) make a significant impact on handling and performance on the 670 BC?

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hi.
    Can you recall if this engine was raised 1 or 2 holes for better performance?
    Cameron

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  11 месяцев назад

      I can't remember, but it definitely wasn't buried down on the bottom hole. In my experience, most shops and people have their engine mounted too low, but do this to account for either not enough torque or incorrect prop set up. So you need to do both at once in most cases.

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 11 месяцев назад

      @@BaitBallin thanks. I have reviewed this video and tried to zero in on the engine mount hole arrangement.
      Some good clear visuals but I just cannot make out if there is a top vacant hole above the top bolt…. Due to poor resolution at my end..
      Can you possibly check if there a vacant mounting hole above the top engine mount bolt?
      Thanks
      Cameron

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  11 месяцев назад

      Hey, I no longer have the boat but if my memory serves me correctly yes there was.

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 11 месяцев назад

      @@BaitBallin Thank you.

  • @davidbeveridge4052
    @davidbeveridge4052 3 года назад +1

    Got the 250 Susie..love it..merc are boat anchors

  • @jeremyrocks9025
    @jeremyrocks9025 2 года назад +1

    Hey, great video. What is the weight and length of your boat?

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      6.2m true hull length, 6.7 including pod. 1100kg hull, 2.35m beam. 20 degree deadrise.

    • @jeremyrocks9025
      @jeremyrocks9025 2 года назад

      @@BaitBallin My boat length is 6.7m, beam is 2.51m, and weight is 1361kg. Deadrise is 19 degrees. I am running a Mercury 200hp 2 stroke 6 cylinder. I am happy with the performance but I am repowering the boat with a 2022 suzuki 4 stroke. Do you think that I will be happy with the performance of this new motor since I am going from a six cylinder to a four-cylinder? I hear that the 2 strokes have a quick hole shot compared to 4 strokes but the dealer tells me that the Suzuki has the best torque of all the 4 strokes. What is your opinion?

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      1361kg hull weight? I'd opt for a 225 if your budget and boat can take it. If limited to a 200, the Suzuki has excellent gearing for swinging bigger props and good torque. I say if you get the right 4 blade on there, you won't be disappointed at all and you will simply love the engine all round. So put it this way, it won't be the same sure.... But overall, quiet, smooth, economical etc. I think it's a good move.

    • @jeremyrocks9025
      @jeremyrocks9025 2 года назад

      Hi Bait Ballin. I finally received my 2022 Suzuki 200hp fly by wire. I love the motor. Lots of torque. There is a noise and vibration at idle speed while in gear. If I increase the rpm's the noise get quiet. It happens randomly only at idle rpm in gear. The noise/vibration also goes away if i shift back to neutral. I think its prop chatter. Have you experienced this issue? The prop i have is a Suzuki stainless 3x16x18.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      I didn't notice it tbh at all. But by going to 4 blade the engine was instantly noticibly smoother! Literally. Was crazy.

  • @JT-jy2sy
    @JT-jy2sy Год назад +1

    I have a 4 stroke Suzuki, if I do not take it out that often do I need to turn it on regularly to avoid issues ? If yes do I just have it in a neutral position or the prop needs to spin? Thanks

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  Год назад +2

      Yes run it at least once per fortnight. Run it until it warms up to normal operating temperature, then for a few mins more. Don't need to put into gear / spin prop.

    • @JT-jy2sy
      @JT-jy2sy Год назад +1

      @@BaitBallin thanks mate!

  • @whitewhale-gq2kc
    @whitewhale-gq2kc 3 года назад +2

    Another fantastic and well measured review!
    If I got a new boat I'd have to go Suzuki or Yamaha as you say solely based on previous experience with and zero issues. Have to say Mercury seem to be offered on a lot of packaged boats these days. They must have been busy in the background organising that

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +2

      thanks! yes totally agree. Suzi or Yammy. new Mercs look good, but time will tell. it's always hard to know who to trust with manufacturer hype and fake boat and engine reviews!

    • @Honda1k
      @Honda1k 2 года назад +1

      I disagree with you there are more yamaha's buying transoms than there are Mercury

  • @jonsmith398
    @jonsmith398 2 года назад +1

    im buying a 2022 200 suzuki outboard with fly by wire what do you think about fly by wire reliability thank you from america

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Absolutely no dramas so far at all. Id actually say cables are more likely to fall off ; ) great engine, still absolutely in love with mine. Enjoy

  • @gearhigher2027
    @gearhigher2027 3 года назад +2

    Looking to replace 2015 Yamaha 4T 150 HP for this exact motor to be nounted on 22' Defiance Pilothouse. You pretty much had me sold at "This Motor" 😉

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      Hahahaha awesome, you will love it

    • @gearhigher2027
      @gearhigher2027 3 года назад +1

      @@BaitBallin Lucky enough to lock a dealer that ordered the same motor back in March/2021...hopefully, I'll have it before Spring 2022🇺🇸

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      Awesome, yep it's an awesome motor. Very very sweet

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 2 года назад +1

    Hi. Would the extra weight of the 200HP (over the 150HP) on the transom adversely impact handling, turning, etc ?

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Depends what brand you talking about. In many cases the 150 and 200 are same physical engine with same weight etc, or very close. In those cases the 200hp is a good choice. The 200 4cyl Suzuki and Yamahas are a great option

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 2 года назад

      Many thanks. My choice would only be in the Suzuki range.

  • @Ozyguy
    @Ozyguy 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for your insight ~ thanks for your vid. Here's this man's "story" Graduated from a Quintrex 530 fishabout (Suzuki 40hp 4stroke) to Bar Crusher 575C with the Suzuki DF115A (4stroke) and I am not CONVINCED it was the correct engine choice. The 40 hp "sung" like bird ~ ever reliable and relished the top rpm range in context to the prevailing conditions. The DF115A is not at all a reflection of its little sibling! Idles awkwardly? "Feels" like it's not comfortable at full pace / throttle. Will munch up chop / swell at mid revs yet I'm really not believing it is the most suitable brand after many trips. This is a very subjective topic yet, if your out there doing it, the "gut instinct" is maybe there's a better choice of outboard?? As you wisely remarked, it's an expensive choice 🤑 To wrap it up, would I purchase a this engine again ?? No. Keep up the informative opinions. Cheers.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      Hey have you considered trying a different prop or engine height?
      Something may not be setup up right here, 115 should perform very nicely on your boat

    • @Ozyguy
      @Ozyguy 3 года назад

      @@BaitBallin I've had that conversation with my mechanic and came away with the opinion it didn't matter too much due to it's a fishing boat. Maybe I'll speak to a prop person ??

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 2 года назад

    Hi again. I am about to order the BC with the same motor. What OEM gauge or gauges come supplied with this motor? Are they any good? What other gauges on the market would ideally suit this outboard?

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Standard gauge excellent. Don't change....

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 2 года назад

    Hi again. Can you please state the specification / model of the 3-blade prop shown in this video?
    Also, there was a reference made to use a 4-blade prop for this motor. Can you possibly recommend the ideal 4-blade prop for this motor as well?
    Cameron

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Hey I'm sorry can't remember. I probably put the details in the comments somewhere....

    • @fishermansfriend6197
      @fishermansfriend6197 2 года назад

      Hello from Finland! I have Suzuki df175 AP. I find good cheap prop to it. Solas amita 3-e plus. 3*15.3*23 Works very well in my aluminium 7,8*2,4 m cc 1200 kg open fishing boat. Now i have 500 hours in my motor. No problems so far and really efficient engine!
      75 km/h max speed/5650 rpm. Cruise 48 km/h 20 l/h, 4000 rpm Gas price here 2,7€/liter :) , because our neighbor country friendly actions :)

    • @Camh1968
      @Camh1968 2 года назад +1

      @@fishermansfriend6197 thanks mate. I am happy to read those great stats. I look forward to my new DF200APX ne t year 😏

  • @brianlee6849
    @brianlee6849 2 года назад +1

    Thank you from America for your review on the Suzuki I appreciate it. I live in Eastern Maryland and I go back and forth between fishing the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic. I'm looking at buying a 25-ft pilot House and putting the 300 or 350 Suzuki on it. Do you know anyone running the new 300b for 350 with the dual prop? I'm considering getting it. Thank you for your info 👍

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Hey no worries! Yes absolutely. Suprisingly the duo props don't seem as efficient as they should be, both from a fuel consumption and actual performance perspective. So they haven't been the great success I was expecting. Add the cost and they haven't been a popular option over here with opting for the single prop 300 instead. I suspect there isn't enough Actual raw torque to make the absolute most out of driving the twin props

    • @brianlee6849
      @brianlee6849 2 года назад

      @@BaitBallin Yes you could be right. Or maybe it's a good idea in theory but not so much in the real world? Maybe I'll choose the 300 with the single prop I know it's done well for many years. Thank you 👍

  • @JT-jy2sy
    @JT-jy2sy Год назад

    Hi, do you need a transom saver for trailing? I trim up the motor all the way up and lock the motor. I just found out this is not the correct way for trailing. Thanks!

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  Год назад

      Depends what sort of boat etc on these plate alloy boats they are strong as hell and the engine rams etc can take it no worries. They can travel happily just trimmed to the right height. On older, fibreglass boats I'd always use one. Also depends on distance, if you are only towing 10km or something wouldn't bother.

    • @JT-jy2sy
      @JT-jy2sy Год назад

      @@BaitBallin too much generalisation on internet which is why I reached out to you. Also what is the trim position after parking the trailer at home and leaving it there until the next trip? Thanks

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  Год назад +1

      Hey I don't think it really matters at home, if you leave it down to run on the ears now and then it's fine. Just remember to lift it up again. yep, on a solid plate boat, manufacturers of the engines now say it really isn't necessary to have any sort of support equip and the engine rams are way strong enough.

  • @Camh1968
    @Camh1968 2 года назад

    Hi Mark.
    Is this motor with the extra long leg ?
    Is the motor called DF200AP or DF200APX?
    Cameron

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад

      Hey extra long. APX

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Wait, now I can't remember! Version for 25 inch transom

  • @bleachKing97
    @bleachKing97 3 года назад +1

    I paid 18k for 100hp Mercury 2 stroke 😔 and any thoughts on MCLAY boats? I ordered a 571 sports man HT

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      they are good solid boats, they are quite basic but definitely will do everything you need it to do

    • @bleachKing97
      @bleachKing97 3 года назад +1

      @@BaitBallin 👍

  • @alskdjfh1
    @alskdjfh1 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. Would have loved you to mention the boat size and model.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      hello, it's barcrusher 670ht plate alloy

  • @johnclemente6615
    @johnclemente6615 2 года назад

    what is weight of boat i have a 225 aquasport 3900 lbs dry I spin 3 16 18

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  2 года назад +1

      Boat weight can't be certain but definitely somewhere between 900-1100 kg

  • @JT-jy2sy
    @JT-jy2sy 3 года назад +1

    Is 1000hr a lot of hrs for a Suzuki 4stks with regular service?

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      Well it's a bit, but I'd be confident of at least a few more thousand out of it if you keep servicing.

    • @JT-jy2sy
      @JT-jy2sy 3 года назад

      @@BaitBallin does outboard motor have service milestone like cars? For example with cars at certain mileage you.need to change something.

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      Yeah every 100 hours usage, e.f actual motor is running. Mainly it's oil and filter change but there are also MANY other things they do, so it's not super straight forward. And alternatively, it's every 12 months. What ever comes first.

  • @acefisheries.2013
    @acefisheries.2013 3 года назад +1

    I swear by evinrude however with the pandemic had to repower bought brand new 200 suzuki. I'm Commercial lobsterman see how it goes!

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      Yeah I've had heaps of 2s but the sheer noise on the etecs was just too too much!

  • @sn00pgreen
    @sn00pgreen 3 года назад +2

    i don't think suzuki have ever made anything that's shit..i've owned bikes, vitaras, grand vitaras..outboards, they've all been absolutely brilliant

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      yeah tend to agree! we've had old old Suzuki outboards and they have all been bullet proof

  • @jgsadventures1673
    @jgsadventures1673 3 года назад +1

    Good review

  • @sibelius1980
    @sibelius1980 3 месяца назад

    Weight of the boat? Dry

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 месяца назад

      Estimate that hull 880kg dry

    • @sibelius1980
      @sibelius1980 3 месяца назад +1

      @@BaitBallin the same as my rib sacs Ghost 680

  • @ibyisabeast
    @ibyisabeast 3 года назад +1

    I just paid 35k rigged twin 200s

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      second hand?

    • @ibyisabeast
      @ibyisabeast 3 года назад +1

      @@BaitBallin new that's in the USA

  • @MrPopicock
    @MrPopicock 3 года назад +2

    Hi mate my 615 ht be in at the end of the month I got the 150 yammy keep up the vids and the subs will come mate

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад +1

      thanks man!!! yeah 150 Yammy is a beast on that boat you will love it

    • @MrPopicock
      @MrPopicock 3 года назад +1

      Well I went the ht because u said it’s better and it should work out better for me after looking at the boats at blakes also yellow fin around the corner came in at 96 and Blake’s more or less matched the price with all the extras I wanted
      I personally think mercy is a sea anchor

    • @BaitBallin
      @BaitBallin  3 года назад

      yeah I priced up all the yellowfins, checked them out in detail then tested! instantly changed my mind. you made a wise decision...