EVAP P0456 Diag & Repair: Nissan Rogue - Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Yup, you guessed it...another "COMEBACK"! Time to get a bit more scientific and fix this Nissan Rogue for good.
Should I just just give up and go to the dealer to buy a new EVAP vent solenoid? NOT A CHANCE!
Enjoy!
Ivan
These kind of videos are the ones that I love....."Russian repair / po boy repair"..... Love them.
It's not about the money. It's about what is the throw on that solenoid. How much has the rubber on the plunger shrunk and what has the dirt and rust done to to sealing integrity. And learning the interaction of those things is why we enjoy the channel. Thank u!!
Nice! A man after my own heart, nothing gives greater satisfaction than fixing a part that dealers charge so much for.
Bought you a new solenoid. It'll be here when you visit again.
hahaha oh Keith you shouldn't have! My wife will get a kick out of that.
Thats nice of you Keith! Ivan you are one determined guy! If Keith wasn't so generous I was gonna suggest buy one for your wifes birthday. Hopefully she would appreciate it... I once bought a new vacuum cleaner for my wife..apparently it wasn't a "real" present?!?!?
One Auto, 💪😂💍, a vacuum ! Awesome
it's great when you can troubleshoot see, feel, touch,and reason things and finally repair something.Gratification at its best.Great work Bro.
That fix was awesome! That's what I enjoyed when you repaired the car when you visited your hometown back in Russia.
That's exactly what we do here in Dominican Republic with alternators, radiators, starters, ECU's, Radios, Instrument clusters and other parts! Also to mention that is very fun and informative perform this repairs, great fix Ivan!
"You guys are saying just buy a vent solenoid already. NOOOOO!!!!" I can't say I would have went through all of that, but hey, if you can fix it for free why not? Great video!
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It was a learning experience. In reality it's a 20-minute fix if you know how the dang thing works and how it should seal. :)
R&R'ing a part the old fashion way, not remove and replace but remove and repair; $150 saved. Great video.
My goodness. You have the patience of an angel to go through all that work.
You're a chip off the old block Ivan. After watching the vids from the Russian Garage about how your dad had to be so innovative to keep the ZAZ running with next to no spare parts I understand where you're coming from! 10 outa 10 for ingenuity.
Thanks for the comment, that really means a lot! I'm really surprised at the positive feedback on this video. I thought everyone was going to call me a hack and a cheapskate LOL
I can totally relate, I did this about 1.5 years ago on the power-folding mirror of my Civic. I did not accept to buy a mirror for 200€ just to fix a small electro motor than runs for about 10€.
Hack no. Cheapskate YES!!!
It's this attitude that has reduced us from Mechanics to parts fitters and why we now get paid peanuts....because any fool can change a part. Troubleshooting is be superseded by the parts cannon!!!
This is actually a crucial part of a capitalistic system. Nobody makes money when you fix something for free. When the parts cannon is fired the part manufacturer makes money, the parts store makes money, UPS makes money delivering the part to the parts store, Exxon makes money when the parts store needs to buy gas for the delivery truck that delivers the part to the garage. The garage makes money installing the part. To a capitalist there are a hundred profitable reasons to fire the parts canon and zero profit in spending two hours tearing something down and repairing it. If Eric or Ivan had shops in a big city with high overhead there would be no way they could afford to do this type of repair as they would go broke within six months. The American economy is dependent upon robbing the customer NOT giving him the best deal. I make no value judgement as to whether this is good or bad I simply state that's how it is.
Super Cool! I did the same thing on the Dodge Dakota "unrebuildable" ($350.00 dealer part) plastic clutch slave cylinder. Had to make a 0.010 shim for it that's all it took to seal. Great videos !!
Home run video Ivan. Interesting, informative, and fun! Way better than a part swap video. Glad you shared it with us. Thanks!!
Russian ingenuity !
That's what I think a good video
I am glad to see I'm not the only one out there that does this type of thing. I, also, have spent hours fixing something that should have just been replaced and had people (my wife) say to just go get a new one. I refuse and pretty soon I have a fix and no money out of my pocket. Nobody does this anymore and it's good to see someone do it. In a shop environment time is money so it's not worth it. For a DIY'er in the garage, it's a solid fix.
I was thinking while watching that I would have taken the plunger itself, chucked it up in my small old vintage Unimat hobby lathe and turned off just a bit of the plunger side. The grinder on the body worked too. The only thing I was wondering was how much pressure they decided that they wanted on the seal while activated. If you take off too much then there would be more pressure on the rubber seal, rather than on the shoulder of the plunger.
This is real garage and field repair. For $150 I would have done exactly the same thing. Thumbs up!
Awesome. I love videos like this. This is what a real mechanic should do. Better for the environment and no waste. If only more mechanics could do this with brake callipers and engines instead of always just replacing everything. Nice job! Great vid.
I said yeah! out loud when you said, "this is going to require further disassembly". All of sudden the kiddos wanted to know what I was watching, doh, they looked at me and left me alone after I told them it was car repair. Good video!
LMAO that's awesome :)
When you had to disassemble that vent solenoid the second time I started to SWEAT ! My luck, on of the tabs would break off from metal fatigue !! I did not stop sweating until you got the vent solenoid back on the car and the smoke machine showed zero flow.
Measuring with a digital caliper and then hand grinding ! Sounds like the old American saying, "Measure with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, then cut it with an axe !" (I would have taken a full millimeter off.)
LOL that's probably the first time a vent solenoid has made someone sweat!
If those would have broken, there are always zip ties available.
One of the most satisfying videos so far. Way to go Ivan! Teaching and saving money. Awesome!
As a guy that will attempt repairs at the molecular level to avoid giving dealerships a dime I can appreciate the your effort and a job well done. I may be wrong but it seems that you arrived at a fix the hard way. From what you showed of the valve and the direction of pressure and flow the valve appears made to stop flow primarily in one direction. The clues are a fairly large hollow rubber cup seal mated with a weak solenoid, the inlet has a sturdy connection while the outlet is a friction fit hose barb, and the two o-rings. When flow is applied as when installed and tested with your machine the valve cavity on the solenoid side becomes pressurized and forces the seal against the seat. The solenoid only has to be strong enough mate the seal while the pressure builds - like seating the bead of a tire. When you tested the valve off the car by blowing through the barb end you got a false failure as the valve wasn't made to hold much pressure in that direction. The real failure modes was gunk preventing a seal at the seat and the rust under the o-rings preventing pressure buildup behind the cup seal. Cutting down the piston stop changed the operation of the valve from pressure assisted to direct acting. If the system is programmed to de-energize the solenoid and allow the valve to self-release when the pressure drops you may still throw a code. Some silicone at the o-rings may be needed to restore the pressure assist.
I am by no means knocking your fix. Just offering food for thought if you or others come across a similar issue. By the way; I just spent many hours on-site crawling into, under, over, and around an F-250 SD plow truck tracking down broken relay signal wires from the PCM. It will be a week before my old ass can walk upright again so PLEASE call off the Karma Gods! I will not make any more comments about bypasses! ...unless you really deserve it.
It's rare to find people who understand the part failed, but to diagnose exactly why is a hidden artform these days
Sweet Ivan! "Don't be a parts changer" just got a new meaning!
You turned it into a go fast valve by reducing it's weight, and saved 150 bucks in the process. cool sense of satisfaction video and sticking your tongue out at Nissan.
10 outta 10 mate. Now you've done the first one, any others take half the time so at $150 a piece you could be saving the customer money plus making more on labour yourself. Win win. Great video
Nice upgrade to the Leak Tamer. Quality diagnostic tools are well worth the $$ and now you just saved $150 for more tool purchases. Nice repair Ivan & it's definitely more satisfying to rebuild. Not cost effective on customer cars but definitely cost effective on your personal cars. I'm old school when we rebuilt everything m/cyl, w/cyl, calipers, wiper motors, starters, alternators, distributors, carburetors, f/injectors, etc and now it's go buy a new one or rebuilt one and play roulette with the crap rebuilds.
Exactly! On my old Mazda van the alternator stopped charging at one point. Instead of buying a new/reman unit, I found a separate regulator/brush assembly online for like 20 bucks, popped it in...still works perfect to this day :)
motoYam82 Yup. I rebuilt a Mazda starter and front calipers last year. Fun, cheap, and satisfying!
I took the egr out of my moms 06 Grand Caravan 3.8L and activated it on the bench, cleaned it and lubed it. It hasnt thrown a code for 2 years since I did this. I think its always worth a try if it your own vehicle. Great video
Exactly! Never hurts to try :)
Just finished following your video to repair my Nissan. Thanks for the great proceedure!!
That was a great point you made about other countries not having parts ready available making them fix the bad part. On this video you repaired the part but you did save money on the diagnosis and installing the part. It seems you have to develop a strategy to combat the rust up north affecting the parts. Great video.
I did fix an old solenoid one time on an outboard motor by taking it apart (held together by rivets) and cleaning the contacts. I have a strong feeling your fix is better than a new one. Great, great job, and fun to watch.👍👍
Great video Ivan. The satisfaction comes from the repair, rather than just changing parts. If parts were made better then they would be worth more and worth repairing; as it is, even the car is made to recycle ever 10 years or so. We live in a throw away society but it is still good and very satisfying when somebody bucks the trend and makes a repair as you did--well done.
Great job Ivan
I would have done the same ..
I won't stop until I fix it...
Cheers
Luke
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or break it completely haha
Being a Ukrainian i thought i was cheap , but Ivan my hat is off to you LOL
I do have some Ukranian customers... they would agree xD
I Ivan dont fill bad about reparing the solonoid I have been a fild mecanic for over 20 years a real mechanic is the one repairs parts just like you did all the best very good videos regards from Portugal
Not just an AWESOME repair but sustainable and earth friendly. My kind of fix!
Personally, on my own cars, I much prefer to fix stuff than just replace it. Great video
The " MAD RUSSIAN,IVAN THE FIXER" did it again. Thanks for the visit inside a vent solenoid. This one video is going to make my " FAVORITES" . Nice job Ivan, and please keep the difficult fixes coming.
This is why I enjoy You Tube :), Tho those metal tabs will break off if rebent to many times, But then you go to the small gauge bailing wire. 150.00 bucks for groceries, Win. I bet that part costs Nissan 10.00 to produce, and maybe 10.00 to ship, another 5.00 to stock, basically close to the same markup as Jewelry. Great job Ivan
Ha you would thing it's made of some rare precious metal based on how much they charge for these things!!
You would think that at those prices people would find another way to repair their car, but having worked at many dealerships installing communications equipment and watching what goes on there , hundred people at least brought their cars in for repairs, they must be making huge amounts of money off service alone...You should be able to make a mint with your skill and knowledge.
GoFundMe link started for a vent valve, lol. You can put a vacuum/pressure gauge inline with the paint can smoke supply tube/ 1.5 to 2lbs of pressre reading. When you fix the leak or close the valve, the needle should stay put. Although not as accurate as a flow ball, might give new life for an old paint can
Yup I have seen James Danner use that trick in a video. It works! The fancy smoke machine just makes you lazy ;)
in places like africa or cuba,they would do this,but in canada or america mechanics got better things to do,but you did not give up that is good and i like opening up things and getting down to the problem,great job guy.
Yeah this was mostly for fun and education, and to save a few bucks on my own vehicle. Obviously I wouldn't go to all this trouble on a customer's car lol
I WAS SO HOPING IVAN WAS GONNA BE IVAN AND TEAR THAT THING APART. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS
haha if it can come apart I'll take it apart ;)
much better understand of the workings by taking stuff apart. very cool!
That is Great Ivan. When we came from other countries and you have few options that is either you repair it your self or save lots of money and wait to see if you can get a new one, you definitely will try to fix it your self. Nothing better that the satisfaction of success. I think that comes with our name Ivan!! ;0)
Good job. I really like it when things can be fixed and not get ripped off for plastic parts. I would have squeezed the tabs a little tighter.
Bro , I really enjoyed the troubleshooting, it hit that part of my brain exactly like if I was the one doing it .. awesome video
Reminds me of a time here in the USA when cars were routinely "repaired" instead of "serviced". Water pumps, fuel pumps, alternators (generators), electric motors, carburetors, pumps etc were routinely "rebuilt". Parts stores sold kits to rebuild with.
I find it satisfying to repurpose an original part instead of replacing everything left and right. About a year ago I fixed a power lock actuator on a Honda Accord by re-soldering a broken wire in the winding of the actuator motor instead of buying a replacement unit. Still works great to this day! Sometimes it's not feasible, but other times you can get away with it ;)
Yes. Imagine how many electric motors are discarded and replaced when all they really need is clean brushes? Used to be a regular service item. Now most are inaccessible.
I must admit Ivan that you had a lot of diligence in this video to get that vent solenoid to work :) Great video!
Another subscriber who's benefitted thanks to your trailblazing this. I live in the Midwest US rust belt and sure enough my vent solenoid was nearly as rusty as the one in your wife's Murano (if you still have it after six years). I bought a new vent solenoid instead of repairing the old one which I'll keep as a souvenir of insufficient engineering. How much more would it have cost to add a black oxide or iron phosphate coating to the bare metal surface to prevent it from rusting!!! It lasted 9.5 years before it triggered the PO456. I got tired of clearing the code every week just to have the DTC return like clockwork.
Original vent solenoid is still going strong on the Rogue. 260k miles!
Us finns and russians have the same creativity. Why spend 150 USD if you can fix the problem in 2 hours of free time on Sunday time and a grinder. Or with a file if you do not have a grinder. This is the beaty of being a guru. Yoda does not do parts, Yoda fix! Ivan, you're getting to the guru level!
I'm still watching and that's a neat tool.
Ivan, you give a lot of people inspiration to say you the hell with it just make it work, cool just keep fixing things.
Great work ivan,.always looking forward for your videos..
specialy the ones with you and south maine auto repair you guys are awesome
Hey nice video, I enjoyed watching you rebuild your vent solenoid. I am sure a lot of people were screaming, just buy a new one already, but hey doing a little tinkering and cleaning saved you around $100.00 (if not more). Vent solenoids are a little pricey. Also, I think your rebuild should last quite awhile, and if it doesn't who cares it didn't cost you anything but a little time. Anyway nice video. Have a good day.
Thanks for the comment :)
I know that this video is 3 years old, but Rock Auto now has an Economy model for $27. And a Regular one for $67.
Perseverance wins on that one Ivan, Nice repair.
Its called a solenoid ( the metal plunger) and the “electrical “ part is call a coil/ (solenoid coil). We use them a lot in supermarket Refrigeration for automation. Just an fyi😉. Great videos
Persistence! Pays off!, one of the best videos I seen, congrats and thanks for sharing👍
my hats off to you Ivan why not fix it if you can that if its your own vehicle its only a little time god bless be safe myfreind ps: also this video was a great learning opportunity to show how a vent cylinder works like that
Excellent penny-pincher repair........and it works!!!
This helps me a lot because parts may not be available for the trooper
So even in this country people may have trucks that are not made any longer
I watch a guy who lives in Pakistan and he rebuilds a lot of components. It's interesting and in his case, necessary. Plus who doesn't like saving money? I had to laugh at your insert about Keith getting on you. Buying new for a customer would make sense to save labor time, but when it's your time for you car it's worth playing with it. Great find on the rust jacking. Thanks Ivan, I enjoy it.
wyattoneable
What's the channel for the guy out of Pakistan?
learningzone
Hey Wyatt, I watch him also and quite amazing of the things he repairs. He's actually from Saudi Arabia.
You know I thought that as well (and probably correct) but I could have sworn his address was in Pakistan. I'll check again, thanks.
wyattoneable 🙈
Ivan you are awesome dude. Way to stick it to the man. Thanks for the video.
Thanks a lot for a very good video, clear and teachable , I have same problem, but I honestly didn't dare to touch the EVAP valve. I really appreciate you again. God Bless and wish all the best. Mike/ Canada
You definitely deserve the "automotive Noble Piece Prize". I will be doing this soon.
WTG your best video yet! also enjoy when you and Eric get together
Awesome fix man, I tried to fix mine but its a sealed gm unit. I love fixes like these.
i bet the price of this vent solenoid will go down after nissan saw this video :)
Thanks for making this video. It's better than TV!
Ivan boss mode! That'd be cool to see more of these type of fixes. I bet the solenoid will last as long as a brand new one.
I'll let you know if it fails again, but seems to be working good as new!
Great video and you did it by cleaning a part rather then buying new, Good job
I would have took off a full mm, just to put this job off for another year. Nice machine. I've got a handheld wind gauge that has ball and tube like that, I might be able to roll my own, but I favor the idea of stogey power myself - fueled by nicotine.
Great troubleshooting and fix, I'm of the same school. it's ridiculous to pay $150 for a solenoid that most likely takes $20 to produce.
good diagnostic amigo excellent
Those small bench grinders are tricky. When wire brushing on the left side, the fractional hp motor slows down. The grinding wheel on the right side has inertia and the right hand thread will loosen. You'll be ok standing to the left but watching that stone climb the wall across the room will be a moment to remember.
Great vid. my friend! How about a vid on that new smoke mach? looks very cool.
Nothing I like to do better than use $5000 worth of equipment to fix a $5 part!
Just kidding great job.
good work dude, I wouldn't have replaced that thing either. it's too simple. maybe this is a bit conspiratorial, but having that "exact" closure gap in there almost seems like an engineered failure point to me... why restrict solenoid movement? that guarantees a leak due to rust, seal wear spots, plastic deformation and so on. I bet your fixed unit will outlast a dorman part, esp with fluid film on there. good stuff.
for sure for 150bucks saving its worth 3 goes to get it tight,, well done Ivan
I like your thinking and what you did here Ivan very good fix!!!
I like the invisible safety glasses you're wearing !!!! what are the chances of one of those pieces of wire off that wire wheel lodging in your eyeball ???
I know I know...at least my face was not in line with the spinning wheel....kind of like biking in the wet: hold your face away from the plane of the spinning wheels to avoid mud in your eyes :)
i really, really, really enjoyed this video, thanks Ivan.
Glad you really enjoyed it! It was fun to make!
Great video Ivan. Really enlightens. My type of repair. Keep them coming
i like your videos i do the same thing like you do when it comes to fixing things i wanna know what makes it work and fix it ! Great video man
nice work Ivan love your new toy. Cheers
I'm still not throwing away the homemade smoke machine! Might have to build one out of PVC like yours ;)
At least that one can be rehabbed. The POS units on the GMs are all plastic and sealed. On yours you should have sprayed it down with some good stuff, then a coat of plasti-dip to keep the water/rust at bay. I've been using it on the GM ABS sensors for a few years now. Don't see them getting rust under them once they are sealed.
Good tip on the GM ABS sensors! Yeah the GM vent solenoids usually fail electrically. Weird thing is replacements costs anywhere from $30 to $200 for basically the same part!! I just buy the cheap one and reuse the filter lol
Blazer02LS Sealing with Plastidipl! That's an excellent idea.
Your best video yet!!!
Ivan, did you do that entire repair with that clip tool? Cracked me up, nice save.
what a satisfying fix!
Especially if it makes my wife happy not seeing the stupid orange light on her dashboard :)
Wire-wheel it, slap a bit of black paint on it, put a Dorman Sticker on and sell it as new at Autozone? How about that? :D
It looked like the black O-ring was holding the valve body just a little above that metal plate. They can be hard to crimp tightly enough when doing it by hand - the metal tabs always want to spring back up just a little, and that will mess with the total plunger movement needed. Great workaround with the grinding, though. :-)
The little ball on the end of the plunger probably made a deeper indent into the rubber. If it leaks again it might be worth it to do something about it. Really it needs a wide base to push against the rubber.
Nice job Ivan.
Ah, back to your Russian roots, I love it. Great vid Ivan. Congrats.
Ivan, I think you should have took more off the end until the rubber plunger sealed with a little daylight between the metal plunger and the housing boss.
I know I'm watching this late, but awesome video, I loved it!!!
This is what I'm doing every day on my plant when parts not on site... temp. but survives forever ;)
BRAVO! You hacked the system!... You could have also placed a flat O ring or a gasket under the top plastic part as an alternative.
Great video ,one question, the vent valve has to be close for the leak test? Thank you and I watch yours videos a lot, cheers from Ontario ca.
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knowledge is power
I can envision a dumpster at the Nissan dealer full of these that you could refurb and sell for a third of the $. ;-) Nice save!
I know this is way later, but there ended up being a TSB for the o ring in that valve. My wife’s ‘17 rogue is throwing that P0456 currently
Man, your wife must have a lot to talk about when she goes to parties, down and dirty Ivan, niiiiice!
New Business opportunity. Vent solenoid rebuild.
Your a genius Ivan
good move Ivan I would do the same thing