Model 3 - FSD Supervised 12.3.5 - Test Loop 1 - 2024.3.20 - 22 April 24
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Test Loop 1 didn’t really see any improvements. Felt like the car was a little slower than normal so speed control is still an issue.
2 disengagements: first for speed bumps, a couple this time and another disengagements for using the suicide lane and not exiting it with no traffic.
1 Intervention for speed control. I could have tapped it a couple other places but I only actually did once.
Cannot wait for Mr. Locke to do this same Test Loop, went 12.4 comes out. The results on this channel are very honest and candid.
I usually come here to lower my expectations. thank you for the videos.
Thanks for all of your work on this. You and those like you are actually developing FSD.
Strict and honest! I like that!
agree.
strict driver like you will help improve FSD
This guy should be a DMV test instructor. No one would get their license.
People that would trust their lives with FSD say:
Thank you James Locke for telling the *truth* about the buggy FSD system!
@@DerekDavis213lol FSD drives better than you
That's what I thunk.
@@shdmd2118 _FSD drives better than you_
To heck it does! I have 20 years of experience, no major accidents, and I have human brain and eyes that are FAR beyond the simple FSD system.
I can drive from LA to New York, no problem.
FSD couldn't drive for 2 hours without *human* *intervention* . what a joke
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And FSD drives better than you ,
I've had the same experience when making a left it goes into the suicide lane. However after 3-4 second its recognizes this, and switches into the correct lane on the right
That's correct. It just takes some time to change lanes.
People think FSD will be personalised to their driving style, it's not. Maybe you like to change lanes immediately, but maybe that is not what the training data indicates
@@ajaylal5892 yea it makes sense for it to stay in the centre lane for a moment. I find you start to learn from it!
what settings do use? i do assertive w minimal lane changes… that is perfect for me.. the draggy right turn that i get is a better acceptable to me w that setting… Never had a car behind me honk because FSD was too slow… speed bump there looks like a a dark road patch… our in our area is the typical speed bump and FSD slows down for it. overall your driving style feels to have impatience or stress to it… im usually at or a bit lower than speed limit and if other drivers are impatient, they can go to passing lane - i let FSD let me chill like a passenger - i avoid being a backseat driver … my wife hates it when i do that… to each is own
I still have 12.3.4 and it handles speed bumps just fine. What it can't seem to figure out is a 4 way spot with red a blinking light
As long as it’s safe. That’s what is needed for Robotaxis.
Safe yes, but if it's annoying to all the human drivers people are going to push back. the cars need to be more efficient at intersections. Check, if clear, GO. Also it needs to keep speed better. 12.3.5 doesn't look much better than 12.3.4 for this video. Will be curious to test it in the the North East when we get it.
@@johnfurr6060 I'm referring to the eventuality of Robotaxis only. Whenever I ride Uber, I wished the driver drove differently on part of the drive. It doesn't mean the Uber driver is not capable of providing a taxi service.
According to statistics, FSD version 11 was already safer than humans, Waymo and Cruise. It was also faster than Waymo and Cruise. Now, version 12 is better than version 11 and v12 will likely continue improving.
Also, the amount of data and training is different for different areas of the country. Hence, you have many videos in San Francisco and California with zero disengagements. They can start Robotaxis in these areas. Then expand when they get more video and training. Maybe they already have enough videos and now that they are not compute constrained anymore, they can speed up the training.
It’s not safe if it travels in the suicide lane. I’m a Tesla bull but fsd kinda sucks. If it’s not a better driver than me I’m not going to use it.
@@ken-mb5cp Very few people are going to be better drivers than you. Most people prefer their own driving style. That's why there are so many backseat drivers. Every time I drive my father, he always tells me to drive differently.
Many people turning left, turn onto the suicide lane first, just to get past the traffic coming from the left, to get on the road. Then they change one lane to the right when there is space. Maybe FSD is still bad in doing this, but with more video training, it will likely improve.
It amazes me how long it is taking for the NN to recognize the speed bumps and to slow enough to make the ride comfortable going over them.
It surprising to me too. I have speed bumps where I live too and it never misses them and always slows down to 11 or 17mph. The speed bumps by me though have arrows that lead up to it instead of the words on the street
@@Tech_Circuits It is surprising to everyone. Tesla acts like AI + Neural Networks is a huge game changer.
But 90 days after v12 released, still obvious mistakes on the road. Every day.
@@DerekDavis213 you clearly don't understand priority stacks... they're well aware... just not top of list to train on right now. It will come in future versions.
@@thefudfarm _not top of list to train on right now. It will come in future versions_
Hopefully not too far in the future. FSD has been in beta for almost *four* *years* and the latest v12.3.5 is still full of mistakes. AI and Neural networks are not very impressive, yet.
@@DerekDavis213 v12 (end-to-end neural network) has been a huge jump in capability. The other day my car drove me from Alameda to downtown SF with no interventions. Quite large improvement over v11. And now the path forward is much easier because we can get further improvement just by collecting more training data, which is automatic. No need to wrestle with 300k lines of control heuristics.
Agree that it's likely better than most human drivers.
A human can drive every day for 5 years without an accident.
FSD cannot go for 1 hour without some kind of intervention. FSD is nothing like a human.
5:03 Surprised it's still making this mistake. This happened to me on every single build until v12, and it now exits the lane after ~50 feet. Can't wait until the software reliably turns into the first travel lane (when clear) instead.
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Please consider having your cameras display on the screen rather than the map. Much more info for us viewers about how close to kerb, cars following etc that way. Thanks for sharing your drives.
James to FSD, “I don’t like the way you look, disengagement”
Most annoying part of v12 is its behavior when approaching solid white lines for turning lanes. That little back and forth stuff it does needs to be addressed 😅
Are you in a HW4 vehicle? I ask because I see this in my HW4 MYP, but not in my wifes HW3 model3. Her cars simple drives in FSD better than mine does.
I don't much care for next pooint release. I want a release trained specifically for HW4.
Yes I get the same with HW4. Very annoying and sometimes it misses the solid line during this Indecisive period and won’t cross solid - missing the turn.
@@johnfurr6060 I’m on the same as hers (model 3 HW3). It also seems to not like getting into solid yellow turn lanes (I believe this is called the suicide lane). I have this turning lane by my home that it refuses to turn into lol…I’m sure it’ll get resolved eventually.
This is wonderful! Mr. Locke is testing every new version of FSD on the same loop.
A very easy drive for a human, but FSD v12.3.5 is having trouble:
1:11 Slow, draggy right turn
2:25 Another slow right turn
3:27 FSD is going very slow and draggy
3:41 FSD *ignores* the speed bump!
4:27 FSD *ignores* the speed bump, again
4:45 FSD *ignores* the speed bump for a third time
5:00 FSD enters and travels in suicide lane. Human intervenes.
Is the new version an improvement?
You are a control freak! Let the car drive. It is not reading your mind to drive as you would. Your wife must love driving while you’re in the car.
Luckily no one behind you?
Fsd SAW it.
FSD sees 360...
not sure why speed bump and suicide lane issue still exist
Simple. Neural Nets are *not* *learning* .
@@DerekDavis213 i think more data required
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Is it running on Intel atom
Your being overly harsh here... You disengage going over a speed bump at 17 but then later 19 is a speed you're okay with??
Not the common speed bumps it seems. Do you actually tag the issues?
Seems like a regression update. Acceleration after stop or turn seems too slow now.
Those speed bumps or humps? I personally dont mind going over humps at 12 to 15 mph
Some speed bumps are very large, and 15 mph could damage your car. FSD AI or Vision cameras, something is wrong.
@DerekDavis213 Yeah, if they're huge speed bumps. Humps are not there to make you slow to crawl. It's not like a parking lot where 5 mph is the limit. Humps can easily be driven over at 12 to 15.
@@MrNiceGuy485 I have seen large speed bumps in residential neighborhoods. 15 mph is too fast! And the FSD software often goes over the bumps without slowing down at all! Not good.
I think you were being a little hard on your judgments.
Still seeing late deceleration for stopping and situations forcing full regen and friction brakes.
0:40 late deceleration for stop sign
1:51 late deceleration for light
Also not fully getting in the dedicated left turn lane and instead splitting the 2 lanes is not good.
I expect fsd to improve rapidly but for now I still don’t trust it. I disengage it a lot. As for now we’re paying Elon to train his software.
Blimey, give it a bit longer before you take over
When did 12.3.5 arrive?
Today for a small group of customers
lol, most human drivers I know are worse.
Any driver from 20 to 65 years old, is better than FSD v12.
even looking at the video many of the human drivers were much worse
@@Michael-ul7kv The latest v12.3.5 beta software is awful, on any mildly challenging route. Humans have years of experience driving, and advanced human brain.
@@DerekDavis213 you haven’t even been in a Tesla , lol
@@DerekDavis213 You are focusing only on the mistakes FSD makes. It doesnt handle all situations better, but it will never get distracted. It wont ever give into road rage, it wont make moves that are risky just to save a few seconds. I would trust FSD more than drunk drivers, and more than unsafe drivers. That is very far from "awful."
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