If you're interested in learning more about this printer, don't forget to check out the other reviews in the description! They go over things that may not have been covered in this video.
You could print turbines for power generation with modular design, also potentially you could print a lot of small things at one time. I think the build plates needs to be one piece and its needs a work around for the inherent lack of precision, lets say you have adjustment screws that press up against the bottom of the single piece "warping" it the right way, those four square panels pushing up the same amount from below would probably help? Also by default to conserve power and help with warping it needs to have an insulated enclosure. I would also add that a thicker build plate with locking "keyways" that get extruded into to lock the print down would help also, the thicker build plate also holds more thermal energy reducing fluctuations in temp and helping to even the heat.
I missed the kickstart and have been watching You Tube for hits and ideas. I bought a Neptune 4 Max and have had problems with flat sheet builds and with tall structure builds (warden clyffe tower) and so size becomes an issue also a double edged sword as I have a small house and it would occupy a small room. So I am curious as to what you would consider printing of such a large size? Thanks,Bob
Actually, imho the real problem is the need for a heated chamber, if even PET-G warps. Personally I like big printers. But if I remember correctly, there was another 3d printer concept a few years ago: Hanging printers. Simular to a Delta, but you put a bed on the floor, 3 double pulleys to the ceiling and 3 motors winded wires through the top pulleys. the effector was moved by the wires. Quite impressive. For me personally: I want to print new keyboard cases for retro computers (Amiga) and cases (Amiga 1000) without doing it in multiple parts. So about 500² mm² is the limit I realy need functional. This also is the maximum size fitting through my doors assembled (a vCore 3.1 500, outer frame size about 70 cm). So while the Orangestorm Giga is quite nice, for everything bigger than 500 by 500 by 500 I might build an hanging printer instead. With the main cost being the heated bed and an ultra high flow hotend. With the big advantage of easy storage, as you just can lean the bed to a wall and add an attachment to place the effector at the ceiling when the printer is not in use. Sometimes you might want you livingroom for something else than 3d printing...
With the size it is bound to have issues and a learning curve. Just walking on wood construction causes it to give a little, even a change with humidity could change level. Having a stable floor for something that big isnt something everyone has heck just walking arround the printer will likely show in the print. Only way to keep it stable is likely a concrete floor.
Thanks for your insights. I'm awaiting mine after being lured into by the early-bird discount and the absurdity of the size. I thought - OK, so I can't expect the print quality to be the cream of the crop, but the size opens new doors. Except on all the reviews I've seen since show utterly useless print quality and that issue of the print head digging into the build plates seems commonplace. The prototypes and custom components too large for my XL actually need to be clean, accurate and strong; so perhaps simply assembling these from multiple considerably large but not ginormous components is the way to go. I'm seriously considering backing out, if I even can at this point. But I still don't expect this to arrive for a number of months, so I'm on the edge of my seat watching for some firmware upgrades to solve these issues. I've yet to own an Elegoo printer, but this all has "phrozen" my hunt for a new resin printer (not going elegoo now). Maybe they'll resolve this in time and a year from now I'll reconsider Elegoo. ...sigh 😑
I would suggest when doing these reviews and showing print quality that you do them with a darker filament like black, red, or grey, since it’s very hard to see defects on white prints
@@makermandan yeah. I have an Elegoo Neptune 4 max and it’s no problem even for large parts as long as there are not tall. This way they stay warm from the print bed. For taller parts, I use my enclosed printers. Once tried a tall one in PETG and it cracked on the Neptune.
@@makermandan you are wrong. If it is not a huge necessity, at least it is a big one. Imagine prototyping speaker's enclosures around 1.2 meters tall. Or architectural model. Or furniture. 3D printing is not always about Pokémon.
I appreciate the offer, but I don’t think I’m going to sell it. It’ll probably be on sale in a year anyway, so you’d be better off waiting for a new one with a warranty and everything. Do you think you could use a printer like the Neptune 4 max?
Yes, belts will never be as precise as linear motors or ball screws. It was definitely a cost saving measure to keep the printer affordable to the average consumer
Uhh, everyone elses review was done 2+ years ago. yet this video was uploaded 3 months ago.. It's scripted like the printer hasn't been out this entire time, and ignoring the multi-year gap between their combined poor reviews and this improved one. At least just be honest with it man; it's okay for them to have problems initially and have ironed most out by now but trying to pass it off as a typical experience in contrast to the dozens that don't agree isn't anything close to what I'd call "good faith".
All of them. Such a printer need to have 300 to 500 kg to be stiff enough...like a cnc lathe...and even 2500kg cnc lathes have problems with leveling, vibrations etc
I knew someone would call me out! I don’t believe that the specific problems I experienced were from me sitting on the build plate, but I’d love to hear your thoughts as to why it may be the case
I guess they sent this printer to yet another youtuber, that has no clue as to what to print on it. Also, the point you make about leveled ground, that applies to any printer of any size. I have also yet to see any of you commenting on the heating requirement of such a large bed, which is pretty much a no-go for any modern government. This is fine for industrial prototyping, but not for printing a Gandalf. You all miss, that sectioning up a bigger plate into smaller parts, actually solves the issue we head into at the moment. A 400x400 bed, should be replaced by 4x 200x200 beds. That way, most of the time, only one or two beds are needed, and power consumption is kept in check. For larger parts, this only makes sense for parts with small height. That is also how I have been printing for years now, and is how functional parts need to be designed. But it is difficult to stress this enough: This is way to inefficient. It wastes power. If this were to take of for printing Gandalfs, it would have to be regulated, as we have way too much stuff consuming way to much power as it is. Not to mention, that there is no recycling for filament, and that prints failing like in this case, sort of only adds to wasted filament and power. For printing at this size, we need innovation to cut power consumption for the bed. Like making a skirt with one filament, that another filament will stick to. If the first filament can print without bed heating, an enormous hurdle is removed. Stuff like that, just need to happen, for this to ever become mainstream. And we need that industry wide push for recycling. We don't live in a vacuum. But somehow this industry seem to think that we do.
We don't need to innovate, the solution is already there: An enclosed heated chamber so the thermal energy is contained like a kiln or oven so the thermal energy is not dissipated into the air as waste heat but guess what? Stratasys has a patent on it so no one else can use that solution, that's why hobby level printers have to get around this patent by using a heated bed instead and sell the enclosure separately to get around the bloody patent.
@@makermandanQidi X max3 also has the heated chamber. Even in a 15C room, the chamber gets to about 30/35C when printing. So for most filaments (PETG, ASA…) you don’t even need to actively heat it.
@@ipodtouchiscoollol Sure. Here we go again. The patent you speak of expired in 2021. The tech is free to use. In case you missed it, even that patent describes a manufacturing process that consumes enormous amounts of energy, if you were to heat up a closed chamber similar to the printer at hand. You're simply not listening. We need to innovate to make this production method energy efficient and low on waste. Not doing so, kills this industry.
If you're interested in learning more about this printer, don't forget to check out the other reviews in the description! They go over things that may not have been covered in this video.
2500 is not a bad price for something that big
What is the point of it is being big if it doesn’t work as expected? 🤦♂️
@@КумысМамбетов-й8ш that's trial an error that can always be fixed
You could print turbines for power generation with modular design, also potentially you could print a lot of small things at one time. I think the build plates needs to be one piece and its needs a work around for the inherent lack of precision, lets say you have adjustment screws that press up against the bottom of the single piece "warping" it the right way, those four square panels pushing up the same amount from below would probably help? Also by default to conserve power and help with warping it needs to have an insulated enclosure. I would also add that a thicker build plate with locking "keyways" that get extruded into to lock the print down would help also, the thicker build plate also holds more thermal energy reducing fluctuations in temp and helping to even the heat.
that power draw is insane. nice review of these home appliance of a 3d printer lol
Waiting for Mine to arrive, hopefully they have sorted the firmware out first 🤞
Did you regret your decision?
I have one coming. I also have the Neptune 4 Max so I doubt I needed it but why not.....lol :)
Good luck! Joel just made a video about how he got the blob of death. He’s had disproportionately back luck though 😂
Thank you. Fingers crossed! I am excited though...
I missed the kickstart and have been watching You Tube for hits and ideas. I bought a Neptune 4 Max and have had problems with flat sheet builds and with tall structure builds (warden clyffe tower) and so size becomes an issue also a double edged sword as I have a small house and it would occupy a small room. So I am curious as to what you would consider printing of such a large size? Thanks,Bob
@stgfx7 Currently I would like to use it to mass produce some things. As far as large, I would like to design up some types of furniture.
@@flyingthebigskyyear the 4 print heads will be insane
this is 4 3d printers in one big frame it needs to be one big 3d printer to be viable, the buildplate needs to be one single buildplate
This would be a dream for printing larger sculptures
Actually, imho the real problem is the need for a heated chamber, if even PET-G warps. Personally I like big printers. But if I remember correctly, there was another 3d printer concept a few years ago: Hanging printers. Simular to a Delta, but you put a bed on the floor, 3 double pulleys to the ceiling and 3 motors winded wires through the top pulleys. the effector was moved by the wires. Quite impressive.
For me personally: I want to print new keyboard cases for retro computers (Amiga) and cases (Amiga 1000) without doing it in multiple parts. So about 500² mm² is the limit I realy need functional. This also is the maximum size fitting through my doors assembled (a vCore 3.1 500, outer frame size about 70 cm).
So while the Orangestorm Giga is quite nice, for everything bigger than 500 by 500 by 500 I might build an hanging printer instead. With the main cost being the heated bed and an ultra high flow hotend. With the big advantage of easy storage, as you just can lean the bed to a wall and add an attachment to place the effector at the ceiling when the printer is not in use. Sometimes you might want you livingroom for something else than 3d printing...
With the size it is bound to have issues and a learning curve. Just walking on wood construction causes it to give a little, even a change with humidity could change level. Having a stable floor for something that big isnt something everyone has heck just walking arround the printer will likely show in the print. Only way to keep it stable is likely a concrete floor.
Thanks for your insights. I'm awaiting mine after being lured into by the early-bird discount and the absurdity of the size. I thought - OK, so I can't expect the print quality to be the cream of the crop, but the size opens new doors. Except on all the reviews I've seen since show utterly useless print quality and that issue of the print head digging into the build plates seems commonplace. The prototypes and custom components too large for my XL actually need to be clean, accurate and strong; so perhaps simply assembling these from multiple considerably large but not ginormous components is the way to go. I'm seriously considering backing out, if I even can at this point. But I still don't expect this to arrive for a number of months, so I'm on the edge of my seat watching for some firmware upgrades to solve these issues. I've yet to own an Elegoo printer, but this all has "phrozen" my hunt for a new resin printer (not going elegoo now). Maybe they'll resolve this in time and a year from now I'll reconsider Elegoo. ...sigh 😑
I would suggest when doing these reviews and showing print quality that you do them with a darker filament like black, red, or grey, since it’s very hard to see defects on white prints
Literally Gandolf the Grey!
PETG is like ABS when you start to print bigger parts. You definitely need to have an enclosure for bigger PETG prints
Yes, a lot of articles I read online said petg didn’t need an enclosure, but they might have been talking about smaller prints
@@makermandan yeah. I have an Elegoo Neptune 4 max and it’s no problem even for large parts as long as there are not tall. This way they stay warm from the print bed. For taller parts, I use my enclosed printers. Once tried a tall one in PETG and it cracked on the Neptune.
I had the pausing problem with Cura. I think it has something to to with traveling or the motion of the extruder somehow.
I like the idea of a printer this size but I don't think it's for the home/consumer market.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Exactly my thoughts. Thanks for watching!
Great review! It's an interesting machine for sure, but I agree it seems pretty pointless for most use cases
Thanks! Yes it is a fun quirk but meter tall prints are rarely an engineering necessity.
@@makermandan you are wrong. If it is not a huge necessity, at least it is a big one. Imagine prototyping speaker's enclosures around 1.2 meters tall. Or architectural model. Or furniture. 3D printing is not always about Pokémon.
Anything printed on this machine should be scaled up to the max possible size! Ridiculousness is the point!
I can think of many gardening tools and medical accessories that this 3 D printer can make
I'd just run a decorative strip of vinyl over the layer shift and call it perfect haha, I hate reprinting long jobs
I'll buy yours
i need one that is bigger, just not taller
Make a toroidal ceiling fan
I have it order Kickstarter Early Bird for $1250
Good luck and have fun setting it up!
Enjoying watching these guys get theirs for free while you wait?
That printer is for ME! I need it to print cosplay parts. I would like to buy it from you.
I appreciate the offer, but I don’t think I’m going to sell it. It’ll probably be on sale in a year anyway, so you’d be better off waiting for a new one with a warranty and everything. Do you think you could use a printer like the Neptune 4 max?
Not to mention they’ll probably fix a lot of issues down the line as well.
Apparently, spending on the filaments is much more than on the printer itself!!
Maybe. At $100 for 5 kg of fillament, it would take 125kg of PLA to exceed the price of the printer (assuming you paid the full $2500).
🐀💎
Should have a massive steel or cast iron frame
Ideally yes, but it would make it impossible for 95% of regular makers to own. The thing already weighs 300 lbs with an extruded aluminum frame.
Linear motors would be better than belts that long. I would not be happy with the any of those prints.
Yes, belts will never be as precise as linear motors or ball screws. It was definitely a cost saving measure to keep the printer affordable to the average consumer
Ball screws like cnc maschines
Uhh, everyone elses review was done 2+ years ago. yet this video was uploaded 3 months ago.. It's scripted like the printer hasn't been out this entire time, and ignoring the multi-year gap between their combined poor reviews and this improved one. At least just be honest with it man; it's okay for them to have problems initially and have ironed most out by now but trying to pass it off as a typical experience in contrast to the dozens that don't agree isn't anything close to what I'd call "good faith".
Sell your house, print a new one.
I love how many shit layers, layer shifts, print failures, and the overall garbage print quality this paid ad was able to sweep under a rug
All of them. Such a printer need to have 300 to 500 kg to be stiff enough...like a cnc lathe...and even 2500kg cnc lathes have problems with leveling, vibrations etc
#stopgreenscreenkids
You actually never printed a big part right...
What do you mean?
You’re actually SITTING on the printer and talking about having problems printing… 🤣🤣🤣
I knew someone would call me out! I don’t believe that the specific problems I experienced were from me sitting on the build plate, but I’d love to hear your thoughts as to why it may be the case
ruclips.net/video/q2PT4080ByU/видео.html not your fault. this version of elegoo klipper is known for having Z offset issues.
It seems like the 3D printing nerd and Uncle Joey both had this issue too.
@@makermandan Uncle Jesse? 😆
@@NULL_POTATO_EXCEPTIONyes lol my bad
Elegoo was too busy asking themselves if they could, not if they should
I guess they sent this printer to yet another youtuber, that has no clue as to what to print on it. Also, the point you make about leveled ground, that applies to any printer of any size. I have also yet to see any of you commenting on the heating requirement of such a large bed, which is pretty much a no-go for any modern government. This is fine for industrial prototyping, but not for printing a Gandalf. You all miss, that sectioning up a bigger plate into smaller parts, actually solves the issue we head into at the moment. A 400x400 bed, should be replaced by 4x 200x200 beds. That way, most of the time, only one or two beds are needed, and power consumption is kept in check. For larger parts, this only makes sense for parts with small height. That is also how I have been printing for years now, and is how functional parts need to be designed. But it is difficult to stress this enough: This is way to inefficient. It wastes power. If this were to take of for printing Gandalfs, it would have to be regulated, as we have way too much stuff consuming way to much power as it is. Not to mention, that there is no recycling for filament, and that prints failing like in this case, sort of only adds to wasted filament and power. For printing at this size, we need innovation to cut power consumption for the bed. Like making a skirt with one filament, that another filament will stick to. If the first filament can print without bed heating, an enormous hurdle is removed. Stuff like that, just need to happen, for this to ever become mainstream. And we need that industry wide push for recycling. We don't live in a vacuum. But somehow this industry seem to think that we do.
Damn, who pooped in your cereal
We don't need to innovate, the solution is already there: An enclosed heated chamber so the thermal energy is contained like a kiln or oven so the thermal energy is not dissipated into the air as waste heat but guess what? Stratasys has a patent on it so no one else can use that solution, that's why hobby level printers have to get around this patent by using a heated bed instead and sell the enclosure separately to get around the bloody patent.
@@ipodtouchiscoollolstratasys patent expired in 2021! QiDi Q1 pro has a dedicated heated chamber. I may review it soon.
@@makermandanQidi X max3 also has the heated chamber. Even in a 15C room, the chamber gets to about 30/35C when printing. So for most filaments (PETG, ASA…) you don’t even need to actively heat it.
@@ipodtouchiscoollol Sure. Here we go again. The patent you speak of expired in 2021.
The tech is free to use.
In case you missed it, even that patent describes a manufacturing process that consumes enormous amounts of energy, if you were to heat up a closed chamber similar to the printer at hand.
You're simply not listening. We need to innovate to make this production method energy efficient and low on waste.
Not doing so, kills this industry.