THE LAST OF US Episode 9 Breakdown & Ending Explained | Review And Game Easter Eggs
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THE LAST OF US Episode 9 Breakdown & Ending Explained | Review And Game Easter Eggs. We break down and recap Episode 9 of TLOU on HBO. This includes easter eggs, game similarities and differences, things you missed, hidden details, our review and also our theories on what we think could happen in Season 2. Covering subjects such as Joel and Ellie, Marlene, Ashley Johnson, Anna, Infected, Clickers, Abby and everything you need to know about the new entry.
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Ok so the Last Last Of Us Season One Episode is now out and throughout this video we're gonna be breaking down episode 9, all the easter eggs, hidden details and also discussing that ending. First up though I wanna thank everyone for rocking with me the last 9 weeks and we're sort of like Joel and Ellie a bit because I'd doom the entire human race just to get a thumbs up from you.
Anyway we start off the episode with a flashback and this features a major game cameo. Out in the woods we join a pregnant woman running and this is none other than Ashley Johnson. Ashley voiced Ellie in the game and here we catch her playing her mother. So far several big actors from the game have popped up including Tommy's voice actor as Perry, Troy Baker as James last week and Marlene's who shows up later on in this scene.
Ellies mother is called Anna and she was first mentioned in the last of us comic American Dreams.
This featured Ellie and Riley and in it we learned a little bit about Anna and what she did before the outbreak.
Anna worked as a nurse before the outbreak and we know that she and her lifelong friend Marlene survived together when everything went down worse than this channels views next week.
All that we learned from the backstroy was that she died within a day of giving birth to Ellie but here we see it fleshed out with her running to a farmhouse being chased by an infected person. We can see a big symbol for the fireflies denoting that this is a safehouse and you can also catch what I'm guessing is the Boston QZ in the background. As we know this was controlled by Fedra and though we don't learn why Anna's out on her own like this it likely has something to do with the infected.
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Show was whhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaàackkk
The Last of US was heavily inspired from the 2006 film "Children of Men' and both have a similiar birth scene.
I watched the podcast first but you were next!!!
@@rohanasuthkar9543 i was about to say too!
Paul you seem like an awesome bloke to grab a pint with. Keep up the great work Mate you rock!!!
I think the only person who could persuade Joel to give Ellie's life is Ellie herself. If Marlene let them have a proper goodbye I'm sure Ellie would bravely give her life and maybe Joel doesn't go on a murderous rampage.
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Very true
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The ending reminds me of a very valid point: Neither Joel nor the Fireflies gave Ellie a choice. The Fireflies were gonna operate on her without telling her she would die. And Joel lied to her after he saved her. Ellie was definitely determined to see the whole thing through. She was more than willing to help humanity find a cure. If the Fireflies had actually talked to her, she would have likely accepted it. Joel wasn't in the wrong for saving Ellie's life. The Fireflies weren't in the wrong for trying to find a cure. But if they had listened to her instead of choosing for her, the whole thing could have gone in a different direction.
Yeah seems like they needed to get informed consent from Ellie, and maybe let her discuss it with Joel and let them have a goodbye if Ellie chose to sacrifice herself. By not doing that and booting Joel out like complete dicks they kinda brought their slaughter on themselves.
Joel, I think, in a way, also saved his own life. After Sarah died, he said that life had no meaning for him, and he even tried to commit suicide. But after forming a bond with Ellie, he had a reason to stay alive again. So he couldn't bear the possibility of losing this reason and falling back into the same void. That's why he chose to kill anything that came between him and Ellie, no matter the cost. I can't say that he was wrong. I would probably do the same thing if I were in his shoes
Informed consent is definitely an issue here which I think you’re right about. I would also point out it might not even have needed to happen, it is possible to take a brain biopsy without killing a person, it’s just a matter of having a surgeon good enough. I feel certain if everyone concerned was a little less trigger happy they might have been able to find a no dead Ellie solution. That’s were the whole informed consent thing comes I think.
Usually I agree to let Ellie to make her choice but not explain to Joel(or us audience) on why you need to cut her head, how do you culture the special fungus into a cure and can you guaranteed that the cure works on normal person?
Because Ellie is know as a carrier or co exist with the fugus, not sure how a bunch of doctors that haven't done brain surgery for over 20 years confident to cut open her head and then what? Work on a abandon hospital with no equipment to isolate the special fungus without losing it, no lab to safety isolate it and able to produce large quantity.
The worst part and we have seen it in in real life, will people take the vaccine? Probably most of them said "and then what?, can it kill the infected?", they probably won't take it as it already too late.
If it during the start of pandemic, then yes and the population is large enough to fight back but now, there's more infected than living people.
@@lokisg3 It's ridiculous. I know something about this because I've had brain infections. Doctors can just do a spinal tap to get brain fluid which would give them everything they need to analyse whatever is the case with Ellie and also be able to culture whatever fungus was in her system. Spinal taps are often painful but they're done every day in hospitals and are definitely NOT life threatening.
I personally believe everyone failed Ellie in one way or another. In the podcast, Craig Mason and Ashley Johnson talk about why Anna said “find someone to take care of her” and it basically boils down to the fact that Anna never really stroke Marlene as a caregiver.
Marlene is the leader of the Fireflies, a revolutionary moment, or terrorist organization, depending on how you look at it. Marlene didn’t uphold her promise to her best friend Anna, but instead abandon Ellie in a FEDRA orphanage to stay as far away from the Fireflies. Marlene recruited a young teen girl, Riley and put her in the frontlines. Where Riley happened to be with Ellie and get infected. Marlene wants to win this war between FEDRA more then anything and would rather put her responsibilities to her best friend to the side.
She failed to keep Ellie safe, and she broke her promise to Anna to create a cure that wasn’t even sure would work. Desperation is her main motivation when it comes to her decision in the final episode. Desperation made her careless and empathetic to putting both Joel and Ellie on a unwindable position. People talk about how Joel took away Ellie’s decision, but so did Marlene. She didn’t let her decide on her own and say her final goodbyes to Joel.
In my opinion, Joel reacted like a human being being put in a strange position where he had to now walk away after going through hell to safe this girl and get her to the Fireflies. A parent understands this decision and it isn’t even a debate, I would do the same thing to.
I can get on board with this. It’s like Marlene technically conditioned Ellie to have that motive she carries throughout the story when that probably isn’t ideal for any child immune or not to be ready to take a life or death sacrifice and her mom probably wouldn’t have been on board with that either.
Damn this made me tear up a bit no joke sir..100% every word you said is so true..people forget that not just one person deserves all the blame most of the time..
There's so much symbolism in TLUS with barns and farm houses now
I recognized Ellie's voice actor from her grunts running through the forest, before even seeing her good!
same! 😂 as soon as i heard her breathing i gasped!
I got choked up just hearing the OG Ellie in real life
Haha - I knew it was her but gamers will definitely recognize her grunts right away!!
It was so amusing to me. I recognized her grunts as well. I didn’t even realize her voice was that recognizable to me.
Same! I got goosebumps! The same exact grunts and everything
That was cool seeing the voice of Ellie play the mother of Ellie in the show.
In episode 8, we got to see the King, Troy
Then In episode 9, we got to se the queen, Ashley
Like poetry.
They resemble too.
@@silashurd3597 and the buff golf swinging, Abby.
@@februaryschild0216 can't emphasize this enough!
Only Heavy Spoilers would create a video longer than the actual episode. Well done!
Excited to watch your recap next!!
Are you going to cover FROM?
This episode was so emotional for me. Especially when ellie said "I guess times do heal all wounds" and then Joel said "it wasnt time" and looks at Ellie 😭😭😭
Ellie is probably immune because babies immune system is different than an adults and ready to adapt and build itself. The umbilical cord was cut with the knife that was stabbed into the infected and I think that's how Ellie became immune.
That's not even remotely true. A baby's immune system for the first 6 months is almost entirely provided by antibodies from its mother's breast milk.
Good call
oh wow i didn't think of the contaminated knife, that's actually kinda cool
Wow it's good way to make vaccine lol, just give infection from baby maybe like 5 to 8 from 10 is works that's good odds
Dude I thought that the whole time
Like wasn’t it dumb to cut the umbilical cord with the knife that was drenched with the blood of an infected but anyways this episode was great
If anyone knows
Please tell me when will the season 2 roll out
Marlene and Joel both took on parental roles to Ellie, but the difference is Marlene was willing to sacrifice her for the greater good. Really brings to question our morality when it comes to those we love.
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Didn't you say you'd stop watching after Episode 3 and 7?
@@LotanLevant the lengths people reach to make themselves feel unique and important, this sad ass is pasting the same comment under every other comment in this video… 😂 hilarious!
@@LotanLevantyeah they did, but here they are
@@LotanLevant he probably just wants attention
Found it interesting that they chose to make the farmhouse where Anna runs to at the beginning extremely similar to the farmhouse that Ellie and Dina "run off" to in Part 2
Definitely noticed that too. Looks like the farmhouse after Ellie comes back from pursuing Abby and Dinas gone 😥
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Exactly! I’ve been watching these break downs of the episode, and no one’s mentioned it!
@@minafrota6124 I commented similarly. They could have waited Anna out or locked her in the room, though not knowing any alternative, Anna didn't want to suffer the change.. Not sure from the circumstances if they had to move on quickly or not. I guess if one infected found Anna, others might have been on their way.
@@minafrota6124 not the point of the show at all. And they absolutely explained it.
Dunno if anyone noticed, but the house Anna went into looked similar to where Ellie and Dina started their family after surviving Seattle…
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Does anyone have a golf club I could borrow?
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@@julianmx13 anyone, would you kindly lend this man a golf club that you don’t need back?
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Can’t wait to see the non gamers reactions to this final episode. It’s always been one of my favorite endings.
Same, such a good ending
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 didn’t read allat
@@minafrota6124 what show did you watch? Because evidently it wasn’t this one.
Seeing Anna “turn” while talking to Marlene didn’t register for you.
Oh wait you weren’t watching the show.
@@fy4b230 How dare someone not like the show, that must mean they didnt pay attention amirite guys?!
The reveal on how Ellie got her immunity has interesting implications. It implies that if the Fireflies were monsters, they could attempt to replicate what happened to Ellie by deliberately infecting pregnant women. Clearly this is reprehensible, but if you are willing to sacrifice the individual for the many then it's a clear expression of that.
Well, maybe They tried but were unsucceful.
How would that imply they were monsters when there's no mention that they tried that?
@@mikel27180 Read that again.
"It implies that *_if_* the Fireflies were monsters, they *_could_* attempt to replicate what happened to Ellie by deliberately infecting pregnant women."
You feel like it’s not just implied the fireflies are monster but that they are.
Hear me out (cause I do actually agree with your point I just want to point out something interesting)
The fireflies want to produce a vaccine for the human population (though would 100% keep it from fedra people) yet they have no care for the normal people when they bomb fedra strongholds and checkpoints. To me that is monstrous very much so how can you claim you are doing this for the greater good when the people that are suppose to be part of that greater good get bombed. Maybe they aren’t monsters but they are hypocritical and morally grey
But anna said she got bit “after” she cut the cord, and stressed this. To save the babies life, and to deter the fireflies from trying exactly that. I think 🤷🏿♂️
They did a great job showcasing the natural beauty of Alberta in this season. I recognized several spots. might have to do a TLOU pilgrimage this summer lol
Dude that sounds sick. I'm definitely doing some major hikes/adventures this spring/summer.
The hospital scene was gut wrenching. I could feel Joel’s internal struggle as he did what he did. Pedro was amazing!
I asked my husband last night if he sees Joel as a bad guy or a hero. His response was “I would burn the world to save my kids. I would have done the same thing”. To some, Joel acted selfishly, to parents, he just did what any other parent would have done
Joel is never portrayed as a moral hero. Just a guy we root for because he's cool and has redeemable qualities
Exactly. Imho any parent would’ve done the same.
Except he wasn't her parent
Big difference he wasn't her parent
@@JustinMatthewSocialMedia yes but I think in his mind she literally took the spot of Sarah and I think he very much sees her as his daughter. Similar to how an adoptive parent can still have that instinct toward their adopted child. He’s also going through a lot of trauma and ptsd and she’s the first person who has made him feel whole again. That would be an intense connection that would be hard to break.
It was good but so short. I wish they had done the zombie sequence just to give one more sequence of Joel and Ellie in sync with each other and just a bit more zombies
Short indeed! Granted, S1’s are always going to be short, streaming services/TV need to see if it will be profitable.
They could have easily splited up the finale into two episodes :"( now I gotta wait another year
As we all know, there’s a budget and clearly they used it well so it does explain why we don’t see the infected so much….. now for season 2 I’m pretty sure they’ll be around wayyy more
@@Foomando hopefully
They already said Season 2 will have way more Zombies. Season 1 is world building.
I think the fireflies made a mistake by prepping Ellie for surgery without letting Joel say goodbye to her, if they had let that happen, it might've gone very differently. If you were going to lose someone, and not get to see them one last time, and not be able to say goodbye, and not be able to know for sure that that is what they want, you'd never let it happen. It's been years since first infection, they could've waited another day for Joel to wake, let him have his final moments with Ellie and then carry out the surgery.
Yeah, especially if Ellie could tell Joel again that this is what she wanted, to make a difference and save people like Sam and Tess. Also, if Marlene was going to do that, she didn't have to tell Joel that was the plan. Though, I can appreciate her trying to be honorable, that choice really ended up screwing her and her team
Because Marlene didn't expect Joel to grow attached to Ellie. The Joel she knew was a cold and ruthless Joel who only cared about his own survival (aka ep 1 Joel). Joel himself told Ellie that she was just "cargo" when they first met. Marlene expected Joel to not be giving a shit about Ellie being alive or dead as long as Joel got his payment.
When Joel woke up and immediately asked if Ellie was ok, then Marlene knew that this Joel was different and saw Ellie as his surrogate daughter. Marlene then asked to escort Joel out of their base right away because she knew he was dangerous.
@@Aliens1337 well explained..
To be fair, Marlene knew Joel /as he was/, not /who he had become/. So though a mistake, the Joel she knew would not have cared about the child to the degree he actually did. Just so f*cked up all around.
Fun fact: Bella Ramsey (Ellie) does know how to play guitar, she has a RUclips channel where she occasionally plays the guitar. Meaning, she’s equipped for rad guitar scenes in Season 2
Yes! I've watched some since watching the show.
Love how cold Joel is killing Abby's dad, he doesn't even look at him, just a dissociated "he's in the way, ok, now he's gone, now one of you nurses unplug her and get her up." Also love all the shots of the bodies. As they said in the podcast, it's not an action-y adrenaline moment or glorifying violence montage but grounding it in that Joel is really killing a bunch of humans who were just trying to make the world better and were following orders. Makes his decision have that much more impact and of course leads us to next season and the fallout of his actions here
Also agree: strong start, weaker 4-7 but especially the Kathleen episodes, then strong end
I personally found it extremely disturbing.... It's like he left his body and auto pilot took over. I get why he did it. But I'm not sure Ellie will ever forgive him once she finds out he lied to her about everything.
@@songwriterlife7777 She will try
Their podcast needs more attention. It really adds depth to the episodes.
@@songwriterlife7777 I mean hey that just means the scene works, it’s meant to be super disturbing and shows the monster Joel once was
All Gone (No escape) playing as Joel goes T-800 on the fireflies was amazing. I wanted more of that scene with the score playing as Joel carries ellie.
Yep, I literally screeched when it picked up on the violin tones. All Gone is such an iconic theme with the sound of nostalgia and sorrow.
Thank goodness. That piece is one of my favorites, and I'm glad to hear it was used properly according to you.
Marlene was wrong for not allowing Joel to say goodbye to Ellie considering Joel had put his own life on the line to basically take Ellie across the country. Joel almost died himself.
And he lost Tess doing it. He found a home again in Ellie. And couldn't just cut it off. A firefly should have better intelligence on someone like Joel, considering it was such an important mission for them.
Merle did an amazing job as Marlene. Even though the finale felt lackluster, her acting brought some urgency and weight to what she (and ultimately Joel) was doing.
I loved how Joel killed a firefly with Ellies knife so cool
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one thing thats pretty cool is that my moms friend plays a firefly in the hospital scene and the hospital scene is filmed where I live and its so cool seeing it changed up
I remember when Ashley Johnson played Chrissy Seaver on ‘Growing Pains’ in the 80’s, when she was just a little kid.
Pedro Pescal deserves all the praise for his acting. Joel reminded me of my own dad this episode, I feel any parent would've done the same thing that Joel did. Also the fireflies being lying A-holes totally justified Joel's actions imo. They were ready to chop Ellie up and basically kill her, without her consent, simply on the basis on assumptions. I really don't want Joel to be killed in the next season, I've never played the games but I do know a bit about what's coming and I hope they find a way to tweak the story a bit.
They probably won't. Druckmann's ego won't allow it !
@@rael1999 Cuckmanns a leftist shill
He wasn't her parent and knew her for a couple months
@@JustinMatthewSocialMedia ...He wasn't but I guess you just missed the whole point of the storyline and everything they went through and how it affected Joel having lost his own daughter.
I like the change they made with Ellie being awake when the firefly’s found them. Marlene made a deliberate choice not to tell Ellie. In short, she lied. This makes me feel better about the decision Joel makes and the lie he tells Ellie. You could look at it as Joel stopped humanity from being saved or you can see it as it is. Within 24 hours the members of this medical community decide to murder their only sample? I mean I really find it uniquely human that our first instant is just wow someone immune! Let’s kill ‘em.
They also made it clear that they intentional did not seek Ellies consent for the medical experimentation.
@@mat9h1 yeah
@@kiwigirljacks she's listed as 14, maybe you can say a year has passed in the show, but that's too young to grant consent for that anyway.
Actually Joel lied. Marlene just didn't tell Ellie the entire story of the procedure. And making decisions quickly would be the right thing to do since you not guaranteed tomorrow in this post-apocalyptic environment. This why they were already prepared for ellie when she got there.
@@bcr3327 Yes genius I'm sure they still take consent into consideration in this post apocalyptic world
I hope they filmed a scene with Merle Dandridge and Pedro Pascal singing their lines like the alternate ending to part I.
.....the waht
HELP I REMEMBER SEEING THAT ✋🏻😭 THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT
The show was filmed mostly in my home city and it’s so much more enthralling seeing the same views as the characters. Such a small thing but it’s really cool
Very cool, what city?
Same I live in Austin and it was really cool to see
@@miatamatt7105 a lot of the winter scenes and the first few episodes were filmed in and around Southern Alberta, so Calgary, Canmore, Lethbridge, and Edmonton I believe
The main issue with the finale is that it felt rushed as the shortest episode of the season. They could have done an entire episode around Ellie’s birth much like the Bill & Frank episode.
Dude do you want people to be bored
I wanted the hospital scene to be way longer, it was really just a short montage, but the rest of the episode I loved and it was just exactly what I wanted
I can’t believe it’s already over. I can’t wait for season 2
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 most things in medicine are ambiguous, to think that it would be explained at all is wishful thinking.
@Mina Frota good later nerd 👌
@@minafrota6124Dude, it was extremely crucial to the people who don’t know. The episode may not have been the best finale, but it’s still a good episode. It’s definitely not worth giving up in the series all together! I’ve played the games and trust me, it still gets better.
I don't want season 2, I don't want to see what happens to Joel 😭
Watching that again, it felt like Joel was in a haze as he moved. Almost wasn’t himself and let his heart guide him. You can see the clarity come back after he confronts the surgeon.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 are you just gonna comment on everything, literally get your hands off your pants and go take a shower
@@minafrota6124 I see you everywhere
@Mina Frota The only thing worse than having your dense toddler tantrum of an opinion is copying and pasting it everywhere. Post it once and shut up
Crazy this breakdown is longer than the episode itself
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Fr tho.... Overall great episode, but feel kinda rushed
they should’ve made it longer :(
Don't know if someone already mentioned this, but I'm sure they featured a brief shot of Abby as she ran from Joel while he was going on his rampage in the hospital. She is wearing her short braid, and she took off running from what looks like a nurse's station as Joel drops a couple of Fireflies. It was brief, but it had to be her.
I think she is also shown a little bit earlier as Joel is getting escorted out of the building
Pick saving the world or saving someone you love…great show
As Troy Baker has said, Joel did save the world. His world.
Awesome
3:06 you missed an Easter egg here. Anna is singing Wayfaring Stranger, which is a song Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker sang to promote the last of us part II
I was always shocked that Ellie made a joke about meat, considering what happened in the previous episode lmao
Your breakdowns were the best. Broke stuff down without ruining the future of the show. Well done as usual, all season long
I am so happy that they got Ashley Johnson to play Ellie's mom. That was a perfect fit, sad that she had to die though..but at least they show how Ellie is immune to the virus..
One of the vehicles in the background had an advert for “Sara” Lee, a subtle call back to Joel background motivation
That Always Sunny mashup was brilliant. I would've died laughing if you put Batman saying "SWEAR TO ME" with Joel and Ellie at the end🤣
I am on Joel's side. There's why:
1. For all the things Ellie has experienced, she has also missed out quite a few. If Ellie saw what she has missed out, she might not have agreed to what the Fireflies wanted to do with her brain.
2. The "Ellie's sacrifice can save the world" narrative is just a claim spurned by the Fireflies. For all we know, the Fireflies could have buried Ellie in ignominy and labelled someone else they preferred to be the savior of mankind.
3. Joel has the choice to do what is best for his own interest and he takes the choice even at gunpoint. After all, the world(s) he has known never really gave a damn about his own interest. Ellie wasn't even given a chance to decide. She could have said no to Fireflies but the latter never even give her a choice to decide. To go out like that without being informed, without being able to say goodbye, is akin to The Fireflies murdering her for the chemical messengers in her brain.
4. We assume everyone who died in the hospital think the same as Marlene. That might not have been the truth. Anyone of them could have murdered Marlene and took the cure from the surgery room and declared himself or herself as the new overlord of the world with the supposed cure in hand. Who can guarantee such an event or betrayal would not happen?
5. The cure might not even work. There is just one doctor in the surgery room as far as I know. Just cut Ellie's brain up to retrieve what that doctor thought might work. Death is irreversible. A cure or a vaccine via another way is not completely impossible even at the point of time.
6. Joel was meant to take Ellie away. If not, Joel would have been killed or incapacitated in the prolonged gunfight in the hospital and the Fireflies would have gotten their way. Even with those incredible odds, Joel's determination to save Ellie is stronger than the Fireflies' determination to keep Ellie away from Joel. Destiny has decided.
The ideal scenario would be to run tests on a far more extended period of time, giving everyone time to decide what is the best course of action or even newer, better options to come into the picture but the Fireflies or Marlene is too impatient.
Also!
1. When Joel explains that people who weren't infected were killed because then they couldn't become infected, a method of sacrificing the few to save the many, Ellie says that's a messed up mindset.
2. Any other choice would run counter to the theme of fighting like hell for every moment you can get with people you love. She wouldn't leave him to die even when that's what he wanted. She chose for him.
3. Everyone he's ever cared about has died or left him (everyone fucking except for her), which she gets.
4. The last of us, meaning the remaining people, are not great. The majority are awful, vicious people who have snuffed out those who weren't. Ellie never knew the world before, but it doesn't just all go back. What has prevented humanity from recovering civilization isn't the infection, but the people themselves. When people work together, like in Jackson, they make progress towards that. When they are driven by hate, revenge, and selfishness they suffer. That's worse than the infection, and spreads just as easily.
This episode was everything I expected it to be which is a good thing yet somehow didn’t emotionally hit the way it should have.
This series is bland. They made it hard to connect with anyone.
@@R2richyrich14 I wouldn’t go that far but it definitely misses the mark from time to time
i think we all agree and wanted more darn zombies. so yeah bummed out it was just a talking show....
@@JRyoutube09 yeah I understood the reason for them not being in every episode all the time but to only see one clicker every other episode was quite lack luster. When we did see them I was impressed how terrifying they actually were and it’s a bummer how little we got to see them at the end of it all.
Agreed. I've feel the same. There seems to be something missing. It maybe be because I've watched it weekly and it looses momentum. Be interesting to see.if it feels different when watched all in one go.
THEORY TIME theory time what if in the second season, the surviving nurses are the ones to hold abbie back when she rushes into the operating room, ya know voice actor comforting the actor it would be pretty cool
Since becoming a parent I realised that in many ways it brings out the worst in you. Joel did what any parent would do, sacrifice everyone to save his child. My husband and I were encouraging him with every kill in the hospital!! :D Loved the finale!
Another tidbit about Joel’s watch, on the first episode when they’re having breakfast. Joel’s beeper goes off and he looks at his wrist and realizes he doesn’t have his watch so he slaps his wrist. After that is when Sarah tells him that his shirt is inside out and Tommy jokes that Joel’s losing it. The watch keeps him centered.
Man really makes you think how far you would go for the people you love, i totally get while joel does what he does, and seeing that doctor on the floor and what it means for the future, and I know it’s wrong but I shot the nurses didn’t want to leave witnesses 😢
I shot the nurses too when I played.
I remember playing that part and i think i ended up just killing one? haha.
You can spare the nurses. Only have to kill the doctor, Jerry.
@@Aliens1337 yeah I know I just had to shoot them all they were in the room they caught a bullet
@@serrahighsfinest everyone was catching a bullet
im waiting for the death scene of the doctor since episode 1, and he just drop it like a fly
You mean like a firefly?
@@luiswhisky🤣
Just realized Joel was deaf in the ear on the same side of his head shot himself in.
Without a doubt the hardest part about doing a recreation of a popular source material is recapturing the parts of the source that people love and I’m happy to say the HBO succeeded. Now all they have to do is take what didn’t quite work about the more controversial sequel and just improve upon it.
I hope they will change the story of next season. Part 2's story was not good and hated from so many people.
@@daredevil3098 it was meant to evoke what it evokes. The whole point is that stubborn refusal to consider where someone is coming from, even if they've wronged you, is destructive and leads to a cycle of hatred that spreads faster than any infection. Hating it just proves its point.
how in the world did you make a 50 minute video just minutes after the episode released, honestly super impressive
Content creators such as Paul get access to episodes way in advance
@@moonknight5408 i always wondered do these people have special deals with ex: hbo, to get early access? do they work for hbo?
They got the full series weeks ago
Dang, now we gotta wait at least a year for the next season 🙁
Not for me. Part 2 is so trash I refuse to accept it as canon.
@@demonwares my biggest issue with part 2 was the pacing. What happened (you know what I'm talking about) happened way too soon. Luckily, there have been some rumors about splitting it into 2 seasons. If season 2 focuses on the flashback scenes, with some new scenes added in, I might be okay with where the story goes.
That being said, I really hope they just change things up entirely.
Honestly same. Part II just doesn’t have a strong foundation in my opinion and forces me to like someone, I just can’t. No matter how hard they tried to.
it won't come out till 2025
Likely 2 years, you know how lazy these studios are now
I love that you managed to make the breakdown longer than the episode 😅
This hits screens here in Brisbane, Aus on Monday 11am. I don’t know what to do on Monday mornings anymore. Great breakdowns bro
Much love, thanks for the kind words
I can't tell if Joel did it to save her life or if he didn't want to be alone.... It's extremely complex. Also did he lose his humanity or did he find it again?
Think of it like this: he sees her as his daughter, wholly and truly. Any true parent would tell you that they'd give up their life in a heartbeat, they'd even sacrifice any number of human lives if it meant their child gets to continue living. They'd do the exact same thing joel did without a second thought. Ellie's mom woulda tried to do the same thing. Marlene doesn't have that connection to ellie that joel does, so while she says "I get it" she truly doesn't. If she did, any procedure that could kill ellie would be out of the question. With a parent, its less of a fear of loneliness and more of this *need* for your children to outlive yourself, to survive and thrive. Its something deeply, deeply encoded into our genetics. Often times being stronger than one's own need to eat, drink, sleep or even breathe. If you were a parent and had to choose between killing all the armed personnel in a heavily fortified hospital, or lettin the docs cut up your babygirl cuz they *think* somethin unique about her could be used to save humanity? Hell, you'd kill off most of humanity yourself with your bare hands if they got in between you and your babygirl. If saving humanity comes at the cost of letting your child be cut up by some doctors, then humanity aint worth tryin to save with some hypothetical miracle cure, meaning there's only one real option you have; save your child at all costs.
I feel like he sees Ellie as his daughter now and when confronted with the thought of having to go through that trauma again he can't mentally take it so he does whatever he can to prevent it. I also feel like Ellie was catching on to this as they were walking in the woods and he kept talking about Sarah. However, there really was only one way for this episode to go, if he let Ellie die for the greater good the series would be over.
@@QockNobblr He loves her and I don't think he'd be able to live with himself knowing he let her die. And I think the discussion when they were feeding the giraffe about suicide was eluding to that. He had to save her to save himself. But that's really my question. Was he trying to save Ellie? Or was he trying to save himself? Or was it both? Was he trying to make up for not saving his daughter and used this opportunity to make things "right"? 'Cause I mean... He killed a lot of people. And shot a doctor in the head. It was a pretty brutal episode. And Idk how I feel about it still. I know he had his reasons for doing so. But Idk if his reasons were completely selfless.
@@songwriterlife7777 Yeah probably not because season 2 will probably be a large time gap. I hope from the success of the show they use the same actor, and maybe do a side story in between Last of us 1 and 2.
@@songwriterlife7777 It isn't about saving himself. It's about saving what you pass on, even if not genetically because she's not his biological daughter, but thats where the instinct comes from; saving what you've passed on. Their safety, their well being, their happiness comes before your own as a parent. Sure, you need to keep yourself alive as a parent, elsewise you can't protect your children. But if saving your child meant risking your life, or even giving up your life; their life matters more than yours' does. It isn't about making up for his dead daughter, it was him ensuring that everything in his life hasn't been for nothing. His daughter's death does have some role in that, but its not the heart of the matter. When you take on a child as your own, everything you've been through, all your life lessons, all your wisdom gets passed down to them. In a way, you live on through them. So for joel to let another child of his die, would be like letting another part of himself die. Without ellie in the world, he would never truly live again. So letting her die is out of the question in his mind, because as long as she is alive he gets to live on through her. That pain that her death would cause isn't the driving force behind him doing what he did however, it would rather be a bi-product of her death. One that you just don't think of, because as a parent, letting your child die is out of the question. As I've said, he did what he did to protect ellie, to protect what he has passed on, to protect the one thing that has given his life meaning. His safety and his life were the last thing on his mind. Then you have to throw into the mix the moral question; since the vast majority of people in tlou are not worth saving (rapists, raiders, murderers, etc etc), and only a small handful are deserving of any kind of saving; if those few are so reliant on the death of a child to have a chance at being saved, are they truly worth saving? Before ellie showed up they had solutions as to saving themselves, so it's only now that she's showed up that they have this notion of something that could save them from the fate of being infected. But what's the point? It can't save the infected, and there's alot more than cbi that can kill them, the infected themselves can kill them, other people, the environment, etc. In their haste they failed to consider one thing; if ellie is immune because of the special cordyceps that she inherited at birth through her imbilical cord; there's a good chance she can pass on that special cordyceps through the imbilical cord. If they took the time to consider, they'd realize the more ethical solution to killing their one known sample to create a vaccine, is to have her have as many children as possible to try to directly pass on that immunity, they could quite easily have more specimens, giving them more data to better understand the immunity. If one of her children is stillborn/dies (without their intervention) then they have the perfect specimen to attempt an extraction on. If that fails they have ellie keep having as many babies as possible, and they have her daughters have as many children as they can as well, and so on and so forth until their entirely population is matrilineally descended from ellie, giving them all immunity, and by that time enough of them would've died that if a vaccine was possible, they'd have done it. Instead of considering this solution they thought that rushing to kill a child under false pretenses, without her expressed consent was the best option. Ellie has as much of a right to live as anyone else, arguably even more so. By saving her, joel unintentionally allowed her the option to make that decision; do it the smart way, or live her own life how she wants to.
There is actually hint of Abby in the final episode! At 31:28 of the show you catch a quick POV shot of someone watching Joel through a crack in the door as he's picking weapons off the people he kills. We will probably get the exact same shot but from over her shoulder in next season.
I could be on my own with this, but I feel like even without showing the logs of tried and failed attempts at this procedure they made the Fireflies look like absolute pricks. They never gave Ellie the chance to make an informed decision, no chance for a goodbye had she chosen to die, didn't even compensate Joel as promised and acted like thugs. I'm living for the show only fans reaction to the golfclub scene. I think it may end up worse than when TLOU 2 first came out.
Abby was in the episode, as a shadowy figure running away from Joel as hes blasting people away in the hospital. Similar to the Dina cameo you pointed out earlier in the season. I cant add attachments to this comment, but i'm sure you'll spot it on your next watch through.
also, i looked forward to your breakdowns about as much as i looked forward to watching each episode every week. Thank you for the content.
Always run here after watching my episodes, you rock man, thank you.
I think Marlene went to the mall a few hours after Ellie & Riley were bitten to pick up Riley (remember they were taking her to the Atlanta QZ later that same day). She then found Riley shot to death and Ellie bit but not yet turned.
As a father, I have to say that I would have done exactly as Joel did. No one would have walked out of that hospital but my child and myself.
It is so interesting to see parents comment on this. They are basically admitting that they, too, would be murderers. Would act monstrous. I think many parents ignore that that would make them monsters. That they would cause undue human suffering. Even just by killing people who don't need to be killed. I've seen so many parents not acknowledge that they would be irredeemable for this in human society at least.
@@thedanespeaks - I absolutely acknowledge that. And I hope to never be in such a situation. But, taking into account that this is an apocalyptic situation, it just shows the power of the parenting instinct to protect your children, even at the expense of others. But especially when the others are trying to harm your child.
I love the opening scene I just immediatly recognized the the voice actress. She hadn't even said anything yet, just the panting was enough to recognize voice of Ellie
Thank you for all these breakdowns this season, they’ve been awesome . Gunna miss Last of Us Sundays!
Thank you for those amazing 9 weeks!!! Watching your video after the episode was a weekly tradition for me and I'm really going to miss that!
so im no scientist, this would also be poor and immoral to do. but you'd think they would have tried to replicate a pregnant woman to be bitten by a infected while she's close to birth. then use that baby as a test for the same cure. why wouldn't that be a plausible option? since the fireflies had that knowledge and even reference it she was special because of her birth. as the person who promised Ellies mom to keep her safe, you would think Marlene would have exhausted alllllllll options first. I just think its plausible, yet yes cruel and horrible and immoral but Ellie would have a chance. you could even ask people to volunteer given the state of the world.
just my random opinion and random thought
nice review
Doctors about to operate on Ellie.
Joel: *"Unhook her."*
Doctor: *"I won't let you take her."* (Picks up scalpel).
Joel: shoots doctor.
And we thought doctors are supposed to be smart.
25:46 i actually think the reason they rushed the surgery was bc they were trying to start it (and therefore kill ellie) before he could even wake up so he wouldnt try anything but it backfired on them lol. also i personally agree with joel i would 100% condemn humanity to extinction for a loved one
Joel just merking the whole hospital was crazy
If they wanted a cure that bad, couldn't they recreate the circumstances of Ellie's immunity? It means sacrificing a mother and eventually the child, which is also tragic... But could technically be done.
Probably could, it's just hard to replicate and probably easy to get wrong. Don't want to sacrifice unnecessary life ig idk.
Anyone notice when Joel was carried ellie in the elevator, the theme of the last of us 2 wallpaper was playing in the background!
Was kinda hoping for an encounter with another bloater. But overall, I enjoyed the episode. It was pretty solid, and the final scene made Joel out to be seemingly unstoppable when it came to protecting Ellie.
I still don’t believe that the cure would work. Especially when two experts have said that it’s simply impossible to make one earlier in the series. The chances are astronomically low.
Have been waiting for your breakdown all this week...man that shit hits harder when watching it vs playing lol well from my opinion...all I got to say is that they should have given Ellie a choice... even if they're going to do it anyways....that would have made a big difference..
Ps btw Heavy Spoilers...although The Last of Us is over...We are still sticking behind you no matter what you cover sir..
The koolest part for me in the episode was that the hospital they filmed it in was the QEII in Grande Prairie AB. & both of my daughters were born in it. 🍻 cheers
How is this up already!?!? Thank you for an awesome place to get all those Easter eggs
Pretty simple, he had a copy ahead of time. Pretty common for reviewer.
Yea most high reviewers were given 1-3 not sure the episodes in between but episodes 8 & 9 were released together to them. I believe is files that unlock at a certain period for them. RUclipsr explained it. That way they’re able to drive popularity up ahead of other breakdowns.
@@roscoemuttley Ya know, a magic trick is more magical when the technique isn't explained lol. I figured, but I wasn't expecting it so quick lol
If you look closely, the house that Anna runs into in the beginning is modeled after same house that Ellie and Dina end up in at the end of TLOU2. Cool details.
Marlene is actually my favorite character in the series. Great performance by Merle Dandridge!
I cant relate, but intriguing!
I like that they kept Marlene's relationship to Ellie a bit ambiguous. We are still not sure if Marlene did care for Ellie like a parental figure, or if she only saw Ellie as a potential cure and something that would bring the Fireflies back from the verge of being wiped out.
I think her morality is valid as a pov. I don't agree, but she is trying to save the world. We see how she does the brutal thing for ethical reason because of her morality with killing anna. She failed in not just killing Joel straight out. Not choosing the most brutal option this time failed her. I mean, I love Joel and Ellie, but from her point of view she definitely should have killed Joel
I laughed when Joel capped her ass
Thank you for doing such a great job on this recap - I feel like I understand the characters and their motivations so much better now.
The Giraffe Scene: mirrored from the kids feeding the dinosaur in Jurassic Park.
The Car Garage Reasoning Scene: mirrored from Tulsa Doom trying to gaslight Conan at the end of Conan the Barbarian
Excellent Series. They did a phenomenal job. Can't wait for season 2.
27:27 Since Ellie and Riley were in the Mall, the Fireflies were leaving, so they would have gone to the Mall the next morning and found a dead Riley and dead Clicker and Ellie. Marlene MUST have been there to tell her troops to take Ellie back to their hideout and then Marlene must have seen the bite marks on Ellie . This is why Ellie was chained to the radiator and her own staff were asking WHY they had a kid in locked up. So we DO know what happened, you just have to add up the dots. Also the show has continuity in every thing they say. Maybe you didn't take note of that.
Breakdowns longer than the episode! Thanks again Paul
I wonder if no one noticed a third nurse in the back hiding when Joel entered the surgery room, you can see her only in a few shots and it is a smaller girl, which is kind of obvious that it is young Abby foreshadowing.
I just wish Joel came up with a better lie. Like, “All they needed was some blood, or a sample of your skin tissue. “ Just something more believable than “Turns out there’s a whole lot more like you / They’ve stopped looking for a cure. “ 😭
Exactly
if he said that then she would be expecting a cure and when nothing comes she would start asking questions. i think this was good because he just basically ended it.
He should've just said they were attacked and overruned. That would've been believable. Just say that the attack happened before they could get a cure
Grace... the OST that plays when Ellie sees giraffe is called Vanishing Grace
Dang a 50 min video? I could have just rewatched the final episode
I didn't need to lol
just went back and got the platinum for the remaster not long ago, always forget how good the characters are along with the dialogue. unbelievable story that will be hard to match again
I like how they showed the fireflies being assholes for no good reason when they’re supposed to be the saviors of humanity, makes you feel better about Joel killing them
See that’s what I thought. They want to save humanity by creating a vaccine but go ahead and bomb fedra at any point they get not thinking about the collateral damage
hahah good poit like the virtuoso activist we have today. For me the show end here, chapter two can bomb. Gratings from Switzerland.
I think in season 2 we will have flashbacks to keep PP way longer than Joel normally would.
I think the music is what made that sequence at the hospital where Joel wants to take Ellie back really special. Watching the scenes unfold with that dark and eerie version of the soundtrack being put to the foreground made it almost surreal to watch. As if the whole season collapsed into these very moments. With that being said, I think the season would have needed a few more of these moments, there was some unused potential. It was still very good overall
In the final episode there's a slight nod at Abby. Whilst Joel is tearing through the hospital he turns his gun on a faceless character who is saved as another Firefly pops up (this one is armed) so Joel has to turn his attention to him as the unknown runs away (can't see much bc it's so fast BUT it's a woman with a braid)
It's all very sudden but IMO it's a nod to Abby.
Could be going full schizo idk... She was at the hospital at that time.
Definitely her. Pedro is so damn good. I really don’t wanna see him go
Ellie didn’t exactly go willingly though. My memory is a little fuzzy since I rolled credits but she didn’t exactly go willingly knowing what they would have to do.
I would not even think twice about doing the same thing Joel did for my own kid. I also wouldn’t care if it was what the kid wanted…you don’t get to make those kinds of decisions when you’re a kid and you should be sheltered from them like he did for her. Yes, you get mad at your parents for being overprotective, but it’s because you don’t understand until you become a parent how instinctual it is for a parent to protect their child. Plus, there was no guarantee that doctor could make a vaccine. I couldn’t just take the word of Marlene like it was gospel. If there were chemical receptors that needed to be replicated, they could have found those in her blood. We know from what Ellie tried to do with her blood and Sam’s bite that transferring those chemical receptors into another person’s blood stream did not work, at least post-bite. Maybe it could’ve worked pre-bite like a vaccine. The fact that they didn’t try anything like that first and went straight to “let’s kill the only person who is immune without any extensive testing” makes no sense, so therefore Joel was completely justified in rescuing her from those monsters.
You laid it out perfectly.
I feel like Joel was acting more from saving himself than saving her per se because without her his life is meaningless. Being selfish has made him last this long and as a result he doesn't mind ruining the world's one last chance to save ellie.
Again, that's the point. You would be a monster for doing that. As Joel is. You don't get a " get out of morality and ethics " free card for being a parent. I agree that they made huge mistakes in handling her immunity, though. But I see so many parents on here admitting that they would murder and kill everyone for their kid. I mean, I'd do the same for my family, but that's the point. That you are still accountable for your acts. Also towards your child. They must carry the weight of those people dying or the weight of a lying parent they can't trust. Ellie would not have wanted that. Marlene should have just asked her and then lied to Joel if she wanted to be on more ethically sound ground. Not okay still, but better.
@@thedanespeaks yes, it is definitely a pickle, intentionally designed to make everyone a monster to someone regardless of the choice they make. Kudos to the writers for their pot stirring!
@@jennamore-rice It reminds me of the DS9 episode where Sisko said he could live with an immoral act for the good of the many. I feel like Marlene is the same. She knows it is wrong. It is. There is no moral argument for killing a child. But she cares more about the result. I guess the only moral argument is from a utilitarian POV.
SLC dude here and there is no Logan James building here at all. Was cool to see my town on TV!
Season 2 is going to be a wild ride.
im so excited to watch the controversy unfold
I think the whole golf club incident is going to batter the audience. They made Joel seem more justified in the show in my opinion. His scene with Abby in season 2 is going to be received worse than with the gamers, keen for the internet's reaction TBH.
Will be crazy to see the drop off in viewership and people discussing why.
I hope we get MORE INFECTED!!!
Spoilers for Season 2:
They better change aspects of it so Joel's death actually pays off
I thought she looked odd at first but when I remembered her as GOT’s little Bear. It got easier.
The woman who played Ellie’s mother looks remarkably like Bella Ramsey. Did anyone else think that?
As for Joel, I loved the way he went on “robotic-auto-pilot” and killed everyone in the hospital. The guy in the stairwell: Joel: Where is she! Guy: F-ck YOU!! Joel: I don’t have time for this. POW!! Joel: I said unhook her. Doctor: I won’t let you take her! Joel: POW!! Marlene: Please. Let me go. Joel: You’d just come after her. POW!! Not to mention everyone else he killed along the way to find Ellie. That was a bad-ass sequence. But he could have been a better liar. I could have thought of a million things to tell Ellie besides they had dozens more immune people and the doctors could make none of it work and they’d stopped looking for a cure. Ellie is too smart for that.
The woman who played her mother is Ashley Johnson, who is Ellie's voice. And Ellie's voice is just her normal voice, so you can very much hear it in the episode even in the grunts as she's running. It's completely coincidental that they look alike, but it works!