Current 400 made the 362 irrelevant. This is nothing more than a cost cutting measure removing the magnesium parts. Personally think 261 + 462 or 500 is the perfect combo.
A lot of the builders I talk to cite reliability issues with the original 400. Probably part of the reason for the redesign, but for sure they probably could have fixed the reliability and retained the unconventional piston, but probably not as easily.
Who’s claiming they’re unreliable? I know several people with full woods port 400s that are 2-3 years old with no issues in an every day use situation. I have a ported 400 but doesn’t have a ton of hours on it. Mag piston to aluminum is partially to save money I think plus going smaller size saved enough piston weight to go aluminum again. The old 400 needed a light piston to help with bottom end life with the side effects of fast acceleration. This new saw has a new lightweight rotating assembly for fast acceleration in place of the mag piston.
Why change the r00 at all,everyone loves it? Nobody was complaining about its weight or performance. The 362 didnt have a justifiable place in the market anymore,but that doesnt mean you should mess with its successor. Just make up your mind and produce a saw that you're gonna stick with and quit trying to be trendy. I own a ms400c and even with a 25" regular rollomatic es it weighs less than my old ms310 with a 20" rollomatic es and produces alot more power. By changing everything youre just messing up the parts availability for those of us that take care of our saws and keep them long term.
@simplelifewithrobertpusate294 ikr,I love mine. Used to run a ms441c and the power is roughly the same,but the 400 is alot lighter and has more low end grunt
Weakened a strength to get rid of a weakness. Bad move. The 400 MK 1 is a very good saw and the Mag piston is a very good thing. Of course it was good for short term sales as me and plenty of others bought up the 400s
I have owned a lot of saws over the past 40 years, and I used to think the Husky 372 XP was my favorite until I discovered the Stihl MS 462. I still run the first one I got about 5 years ago everyday. It is so awesome and reliable. That one has a 25" bar, and I have another one with a 32" bar. I also have a 661 with a 36", a 261 and 2 201T's.
Must be an engineer trying to get out of the office for a day… Obviously not a competent saw operator. Stihl probably went around the office and took volunteers to run the new saw at launch because the guys they have that know saws weren’t interested.😂
Dropping the 362 is fine. Its the same price point as the 400. But why mess with the 400? The saw they need to re-vamp is the 462. Put a magnesium piston in it and utilize some other tech to lighten it up and give it more power. The 400 seems like a great saw. Why fix whats not broken.
This is my opinion on the 462! Stihl keeps it turd saw, want you to buy a 500i. Profit is better on the 500i. 500 is an excellent saw, I'm not dropping 1700 bucks on one, current price in my area. So it seems they put all their eggs in one basket with 80cc class and 60cc class. Don't care about the 70cc class. Port the 462, she will pull with a 500i.
@EricChmelarsky Even the 462 is $1400 around me. They're countless videos of it getting beat in comparison by a 70cc Husky variant or buy a predecessor stihl like the 461. Why would I drop $1400 on on a saw like that? The 500i again seems nice but it costs more than my first car did. Stihl needs to re vamp the 70cc line.
@dellgregg4663 I agree with you 💯 % It seems like they just don't care. Messing with the 400 is not needed at this time. However if you have a 462 like me and tired of getting whooped upon, ya send it out for port work to pep it up some, 35% gain on my 462. I got the saw used. Dude didn't like it. Figured how bad could it be? 70cc class 👀 saw. I soon found out.
I’m really liking my 400C here in the US. I have added the WestCoast bark box which squeaks out a little extra power. I know tree service outfits that love them also. Just run a thin bar oil because the American version of this saw does not oil all that great. Thanks guys. PS: runs much better with a hungry full skip chain. It will eat more and not rev as high.
@@batmantiss doesn’t have one. At least not on mine unless you have to take the saw apart. My other saws have them that are visible but never had oiling problems with those saws. Harvest King is a thin oil and work great, solves the problem.
I think stihl screwed the pooch here. Could have saved a lot of money by just dropping the 362 and sticking with the current 400. Somebody had to justify their job. Edit to add: the guy can't run a saw to save his life.
This really seems an odd decision driven by wonks rather than chainsaw operators. They should just drop the 362 if that's their prerogative, but dumbing down the current 400 doesn't seem advisable. I was really hoping for an update to the 462, lighter plus more power, but if this is the way they are thinking, perhaps it's best that they leave it alone!
It’s just odd to build a completely redesigned chainsaw with a smaller displacement, different power, but keep the same model number. All this within a short amount of time between previous version. To me, it’s simple. Make the model number different. Done🤷🏻♂️
I have not heard that the MS462 is going. I think I said the father-in-law has a MS362 which I think is a big seller for Stihl as an all round saw. I am not sure this new MS400 is a good move. I was hoping for a new 65cc saw that was as light as an MS362!
@@patrickvennard838the current ms400 is only 5-6oz heavier than the ms362. It's got almost 1hp over the 362 though and wears a 25" bar very well. They should've just kept the ms400 and dropped the ms362 instead of changing them both
Seems normal. Pin the throttle until you're ready to shut the unit off. On a more serious note, I don't understand the redesign unless they are having failures I haven't heard about. It also seems like a lot of R&D and money to lighten it up by 300g.
Blowdown and other timing of the ports can definitely affect the torque a saw makes. A smaller cylinder of better design can out perform the larger one. Even loosing. 4cc they can still make the same or better power if cylinder is designed correctly.
@@christopherlehman4045 I agree in part, I have a 346 ported that pulls a 24” easy. Rarely does oem make saws with such cylinder timing and aggressive porting… I will find out when this is available stateside
@@theautisticarborist6846The numbers Stihl gives really don’t mean anything. If you look at numbers the Stihl saws should cut equal or more to their husky counterparts, but in every case minus the 462 they don’t. Even though on paper they should. It’s not about peak numbers it’s about what’s in between them. I guarantee the old 400 has a better curve.
They claim close to same output but looks kinda slow compared to my ms 400 even when it was completely stock. Maybe the wood is just that hard but I think they should have just dropped the 362 and kept current 400.
The model running in the video is a pre production / EB saw so isn't necessarily the finished ticket, the plastics where certainly proto / eb anyway. That could potentially affect it eg, MTRONIC program, the exhaust is also an unknown the outlet under the deflector was certainly small, couldn't disassemble to verify if it had any emissions equipment. They did have a static unit on display that looked to be a production version or at least a more refined engineering batch unit. It sounds a bit 500i esque so possibly has a little much intake duration and some slightly different port timing numbers, compared to the ms400.0 until a few reputable builders get hands on we won't know. The 300g lighter thing sounds impressive but that's compared to the 400.0 which is 5.8kg, compared with the 362 it's only 100 grams lighter. Though produces 0.2nm more torque
I don't want to hate man I love Stihl but the whole reason I wanted to upgrade to the 400 was the power running a 25 Inch bar without braking 1500 bucks
Stihl already ruined all their homeowner saws changing them to 2 pounds heavier with less power and by the sounds of it they are also ruining the pro saws now
New 400 at the approximately same weigth as Husqvarna 550. Also a fresh look and design. By removing two saws who is placed i middle of nowhere in the Stihl line-up, i bet the new 400 will be a success.
Back to aluminum alloy from the magnesium alloy of the current 400c. They used the mag alloy to lighten the piston up to reduce stress on the 362 crank when going from 59cc to just under 67cc. Now it’s an all new saw with 63cc aluminum piston on a new crankshaft from what I’ve heard.
Pretty sure they are exactly the same minus the electronic carb vs standard. This is also dumb in my opinion, why 2 model numbers for the same saw? This is why they had the c added to the ms462 ect. Was ms 462 for regular carb and 462c for mtronic. The 363 & 400.1 is confusing if indeed it’s exactly the same saw minus a carb. Unless the 363 is choked down like some of the special vs xp series huskies.
@@christopherlehman4045 In Brazil the pollutant laws are lower so an electronic carburetor to reduce pollution does not make sense so much so that Sthil and husqvarna do not sell chainsaws here with these systems
It would be nice to know the exact weight as a 462 is pretty light. I wonder if the Likes of Artur Rodak and C&S Custom Saws will be able to do their magic. I was hoping for a all new 65cc Pro saw.
Hi I lookin for help I bought brand new chainsaw ms181 I noticed oil coming out around the muffler its coming out around the 2 holes for muffler screws, its new machine do you think petrol mix to rich ? I put 20 ml of oil in to 1 liter of petrol is that to much
Yeah this is a very GB-centric interview. I'd say that for forestry, it's too small for most markets. Aus, NZ, US would all be after something bigger than this, wouldn't they?
@@andrewford80 yes for sure but it would be great for firewood as I’m looking at getting a 400 for that reason you don’t need to cut up big wood for that all the time ,I do have other saws but more is better 👍😉
Ive never liked the 400... Seams to be a waste of time saw... 13lbs 4.5hp When you can just get a 462 that is 13.5lbs and has 6.0hp... Yes its more money but if you are buying a PRO saw and you are worried about 100 this way or that way you need to buy a 271 for 349.99 and get the free oil or whatever.. ANY tree guy that is doing this as a job wants the BEST most efficient machine to get work done well and fast. 1200 for a new 400 is FOOLISH to me... when you can buy a 462 for what 1350... YEA if its got a 25 inch light bar it might be 1450.. Worth every cent....
60cc saws to me have a small market and my 362 is a good saw but it just isnt a 70cc and its weight is 3 lbs more then a 50cc... So its kinda just odd... I LOVE LOVE my 261. It is awesome and Light SUPER LIGHT and screams... but its 50cc... You dont want to buck up 25 inch oak rounds all day with it.. Its just NOT a good BIG wood saw to buck... But smaller trees under 18 inches its AWSOME. clean up saw is also Awesome..
400 is 1100 up here and the 462 is 1350 or so. I’m sure the new 400 will be in between the 362 and current 400 price point to make it a larger spread yet. As far as your logic of the 400 being worthless because they make a 462 for a little more is a bit unrealistic. They make many saws that are close in price, size and weight so may as well just buy a 500i for a little more money because it’s only a little heavier and few hundred more.
You’ve got that horsepower number for the 400 backwards. It makes 5.4 hp and the 462 makes 5.9, so over $200 in price difference for less than half a horsepower extra. I’ve ran both, there’s not much seat of the pants difference between the two. In my opinion they should’ve kept the 362, bumped up the horsepower on the 400 a little and dropped the 462 instead.
It's stupid idea the 400c is great saw . Stihl is dropping alot of sales doing this 300 grams is stupid to loose 5cc..and the piston..more corporate nonsense. All Of us arborist and saw builders completely disagree.dumb idea
So they are replacing the 362 and the 400 with a 363 plus to simplify the lineup. Bad move I think, unless they plan on adding back a bigger bore option with a mag piston down the line.
@@fullthrottletimber8286 Stihl/Husky makes insane margins on saws and the difference in cost between FI and carburetor is insignificant. The 500i is expensive because they can get away with it. Gotta pay for TimberSports and all the marketing.
It won’t ever run with a Husqvarna 562 mark 2.. 13lb saw that will pull a 28” bar and it screams like a banshee!! Your light weight bar is the best thing Stihl ever made.
You aren’t necessarily wrong but it just depends on the size of the wood. I bought 2 034 supers 3 044’s and 3 066’s new. The red light 066 were my favorite but once I stopped logging professionally, I sold them all off and just kept the super. Great firewood saw, and for spar work. 044 was probably the most versatile if you still cut some good sized trees. 👍🏼
Ok, the real reason Stihl is coming out with this saw is because of Echo’s cs620pw. The power of Echo’s saw and weight are much better and by the way Echo’s always crank,for me even when hot.
Yeah,I'm sorry,but an ms400c will output a echo 620. The echo is a great saw and comes in at a much better price point though. I'm not knocking it. Any modern saw starts well hot or cold. No issues with any stihl I've owned in the last 20 years starting hit or cold.
The 044 was 14lbs and 5.4hp. The ms400c is 12.8lbs and 5.4hp. For the same weight as the old 044 you can now get an ms500i which is 6.7hp. They're nice saws,just stupid expensive. I've got a ms400c that I bought to replace ms old ms441c. It's got alot more low end grunt than my old ms441c. Both pull a 28" bar pretty good.
I've got an original 084 and 066... both running awesome... I use the 084 with a 42'' bar for ripping big logs.. I used them both falling timber for several years and cutting god knows how many cords of firewood, amazing saws... not sure about these new 'improved' things, might be higher power to weight ratio but if a guy can't handle a bit of weight he'd better stay out of the woods!!!
In my opinion this is a useless model! The weight is so similar to ms400 why not just go with the 400 and get the power that comes with it? And if you don't mind 1/2 lb more weight go with the 462 . Don't make sense to me. I have a ms 066 that's 20 years old that weights more than I care to carry all day so I bought a 500 I now that's a weight difference!!! And the 500 so far does the job well. I have a couple of ms362's that I will not be replacing for this new model.
I was gonna buy the 400 now i hafto save up for the 462 bevause im not getting that saw with less power for that amount of money im sure it wont run a 25 near as well if i buy a 400 now therw will be no parts
They need to supply parts for 10 Years after they stop selling the saw and actually a large number of 362 parts fit the current 400. The main parts that are different are the cases and cylinder but body parts ect are the same.
Instead of building a new saw that sucks why not bring back the 441 magnum you know the saw they only made for a year then discontinued I ran the 441 when I was working the mill and it was a fine saw lots of power and it was fast to
441 was made many years and heavy, they had so many issues they pulled it in favor of the 440 again till they could fix it. After it was fixed it came back out but never caught on hard because of early problems and being a pain to work on.
@christopherlehman4045 yeah they brought it back the year the 661 magnum came out I had one and spent a lot of time on it never had any trouble with it was a fine saw it was lighter than the 661 and cut faster
I had my ms441c for 12 years,and it was a good saw. It was stupid heavy and ridiculously hard to work on. I had to completely disassemble the top end to replace the throttle cable. It pulled a 28" bar ok in hardwood, but the 400 I bought to replace it is lighter and just as powerful, but with better low end grunt
The ms400c will eat a 562 Huskies lunch. The ms362 is a good saw,just not the fastest around. The ms400c is a whole different animal. The ms400 weighs 12.8lb while the 562 weighs 13.4lbs. Both can run a 28" bar. You can buy husqvarna anywhere,but theres no servicing dealers around here,only stihl and echo. If I need parts or services I dont wanna have ti get jerry bob down the street to fix it and I dont wanna have to wait for parts off ebay.
They had Husqvarna beat with the 400c and now that they’re replacing it, husky will reign supreme in the 60cc class with the 562xp mk2. Way to go stihl😂
Same cc as a 562 and almost same power as current 400 which is already lighter then a 562. Should still beat a 562 with a larger difference in weight but i still think the current 400 should have stayed
You really want me get excited about your saws,how about you come with something 65 to 70 cc lighter and can accommodate a 28 to 30 inch bar without losing any power or speed, and while you're at it how about better fuel and oil caps,
I can always tell a novice by the stance. They keep their legs straight and stand square to the cut. A pro will take up a boxer's stance, left leg in front with a soft bend in both knees. The head is held off to one side of the cut.
Yea ill pass, looks like its got the same juice as a ms362 which i never thought was impressive, im sure you’re gonna need to get loan to buy it like most of there saws today that are totally overpriced!
@@davediesel90the english fellow I could follow pretty well,but the Scot was slurring his words like he'd been in the pub all day. He was kind of hard to understand.
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You can tell he ain't no logger when he ran that saw
bean counter.
That was rough to watch.
Current 400 made the 362 irrelevant. This is nothing more than a cost cutting measure removing the magnesium parts. Personally think 261 + 462 or 500 is the perfect combo.
My thoughts exactly. Just bought a 261 to complement my 500 for an all around capability.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 Nice.
I use the 261, 462 and 660.
i have a 261,a 462 and a 151 i find i have a good balance
A lot of the builders I talk to cite reliability issues with the original 400. Probably part of the reason for the redesign, but for sure they probably could have fixed the reliability and retained the unconventional piston, but probably not as easily.
Who’s claiming they’re unreliable? I know several people with full woods port 400s that are 2-3 years old with no issues in an every day use situation. I have a ported 400 but doesn’t have a ton of hours on it. Mag piston to aluminum is partially to save money I think plus going smaller size saved enough piston weight to go aluminum again. The old 400 needed a light piston to help with bottom end life with the side effects of fast acceleration. This new saw has a new lightweight rotating assembly for fast acceleration in place of the mag piston.
Why change the r00 at all,everyone loves it? Nobody was complaining about its weight or performance. The 362 didnt have a justifiable place in the market anymore,but that doesnt mean you should mess with its successor. Just make up your mind and produce a saw that you're gonna stick with and quit trying to be trendy. I own a ms400c and even with a 25" regular rollomatic es it weighs less than my old ms310 with a 20" rollomatic es and produces alot more power. By changing everything youre just messing up the parts availability for those of us that take care of our saws and keep them long term.
that's why they do that. So ou have tochange, even if the old one is still good no way to fix some minors damage.
Planned obsolescence. This creates sales. Sales are the water that grows corporations.
Thats the plan….
I also have the 400c with a 25” bar. Just a side hustle firewood guy but I love that saw!
@simplelifewithrobertpusate294 ikr,I love mine. Used to run a ms441c and the power is roughly the same,but the 400 is alot lighter and has more low end grunt
Weakened a strength to get rid of a weakness. Bad move.
The 400 MK 1 is a very good saw and the Mag piston is a very good thing. Of course it was good for short term sales as me and plenty of others bought up the 400s
I have owned a lot of saws over the past 40 years, and I used to think the Husky 372 XP was my favorite until I discovered the Stihl MS 462. I still run the first one I got about 5 years ago everyday. It is so awesome and reliable. That one has a 25" bar, and I have another one with a 32" bar. I also have a 661 with a 36", a 261 and 2 201T's.
Couldn't agree more! The 462 is perfect.
@@OOOOOO12345 used everyday, all day! The 462 is a good saw!
Crazy how they justify this. Less power and less weight. Well obviously it’s just better because they said so
0.1Kw less, but it weighs 0.3Kg less. That's 0.13hp less with a weight loss of over half a pound than the current MS400.
400 has now lost the torque it had to reach closer to a 70 that a 60 just can't.
Why is he operating the saw like that? Just hits the throttle and never lets off...wtf...
He must show everyone how fast it is
Is a competition style of cutting kike he's doing here, you don't let off. I'm assuming that was his intent.
He's not on the hook for repairing it
Must be an engineer trying to get out of the office for a day… Obviously not a competent saw operator.
Stihl probably went around the office and took volunteers to run the new saw at launch because the
guys they have that know saws weren’t interested.😂
Dang Son !! You can let off the throttle in between cuts ya know !
Why would you?
Dropping the 362 is fine. Its the same price point as the 400. But why mess with the 400? The saw they need to re-vamp is the 462. Put a magnesium piston in it and utilize some other tech to lighten it up and give it more power. The 400 seems like a great saw. Why fix whats not broken.
This is my opinion on the 462! Stihl keeps it turd saw, want you to buy a 500i. Profit is better on the 500i.
500 is an excellent saw, I'm not dropping 1700 bucks on one, current price in my area. So it seems they put all their eggs in one basket with 80cc class and 60cc class. Don't care about the 70cc class. Port the 462, she will pull with a 500i.
@EricChmelarsky Even the 462 is $1400 around me. They're countless videos of it getting beat in comparison by a 70cc Husky variant or buy a predecessor stihl like the 461. Why would I drop $1400 on on a saw like that? The 500i again seems nice but it costs more than my first car did. Stihl needs to re vamp the 70cc line.
@dellgregg4663 I agree with you 💯 %
It seems like they just don't care. Messing with the 400 is not needed at this time. However if you have a 462 like me and tired of getting whooped upon, ya send it out for port work to pep it up some, 35% gain on my 462. I got the saw used. Dude didn't like it. Figured how bad could it be? 70cc class 👀 saw. I soon found out.
To me, the 400 is the best "do all" saw ever made. Im going to pick up a second one to have on hand for when you can't get them anymore.
I’m really liking my 400C here in the US. I have added the WestCoast bark box which squeaks out a little extra power. I know tree service outfits that love them also. Just run a thin bar oil because the American version of this saw does not oil all that great. Thanks guys. PS: runs much better with a hungry full skip chain. It will eat more and not rev as high.
Richard Flag has a hack for that oil problem, just tap the oil limiter in
They all oil the same as a 362 because it’s the same oiler designed up to the 25-28” bars. The overseas and us versions are all made the same.
@@batmantiss doesn’t have one. At least not on mine unless you have to take the saw apart. My other saws have them that are visible but never had oiling problems with those saws. Harvest King is a thin oil and work great, solves the problem.
I think stihl screwed the pooch here. Could have saved a lot of money by just dropping the 362 and sticking with the current 400. Somebody had to justify their job.
Edit to add: the guy can't run a saw to save his life.
Did I miss why I watched this video? Rear handle was never mentioned.
This really seems an odd decision driven by wonks rather than chainsaw operators. They should just drop the 362 if that's their prerogative, but dumbing down the current 400 doesn't seem advisable. I was really hoping for an update to the 462, lighter plus more power, but if this is the way they are thinking, perhaps it's best that they leave it alone!
I think this idea was a big flop, the current ms400c is right in the sweet spot
Agreed mate 👍 great saw!
Don't know what's going on with stihl the last couple of years 🤔
I’m happy with my ms180, 034 and ms 460 all good saws,
And what’s with the air cleaner cover? Now you have to use a screwdriver to take it off rather than a twist knob.?
Man that 034 is a great reliable saw. One of my favourites
It’s just odd to build a completely redesigned chainsaw with a smaller displacement, different power, but keep the same model number. All this within a short amount of time between previous version.
To me, it’s simple. Make the model number different. Done🤷🏻♂️
Interesting move, down speccing the current 400 and removing the 362. Did you hear any more about the 462 going?
I have not heard that the MS462 is going. I think I said the father-in-law has a MS362 which I think is a big seller for Stihl as an all round saw. I am not sure this new MS400 is a good move. I was hoping for a new 65cc saw that was as light as an MS362!
@@patrickvennard838the current ms400 is only 5-6oz heavier than the ms362. It's got almost 1hp over the 362 though and wears a 25" bar very well. They should've just kept the ms400 and dropped the ms362 instead of changing them both
@ I agree
Seems normal. Pin the throttle until you're ready to shut the unit off. On a more serious note, I don't understand the redesign unless they are having failures I haven't heard about. It also seems like a lot of R&D and money to lighten it up by 300g.
I doubt the MK 2 or 400.1 will pull a 25” bar as well as the 400.
The 400.1 is on paper supposed to produce 0.2nm more than the 400.0 so potentially will favour a long bar, though who knows as yet
@@theautisticarborist6846 displacement of motor always effects the ability to pull bigger bars in my experience
Blowdown and other timing of the ports can definitely affect the torque a saw makes. A smaller cylinder of better design can out perform the larger one. Even loosing. 4cc they can still make the same or better power if cylinder is designed correctly.
@@christopherlehman4045 I agree in part, I have a 346 ported that pulls a 24” easy. Rarely does oem make saws with such cylinder timing and aggressive porting… I will find out when this is available stateside
@@theautisticarborist6846The numbers Stihl gives really don’t mean anything. If you look at numbers the Stihl saws should cut equal or more to their husky counterparts, but in every case minus the 462 they don’t. Even though on paper they should. It’s not about peak numbers it’s about what’s in between them. I guarantee the old 400 has a better curve.
They claim close to same output but looks kinda slow compared to my ms 400 even when it was completely stock. Maybe the wood is just that hard but I think they should have just dropped the 362 and kept current 400.
The model running in the video is a pre production / EB saw so isn't necessarily the finished ticket, the plastics where certainly proto / eb anyway. That could potentially affect it eg, MTRONIC program, the exhaust is also an unknown the outlet under the deflector was certainly small, couldn't disassemble to verify if it had any emissions equipment. They did have a static unit on display that looked to be a production version or at least a more refined engineering batch unit. It sounds a bit 500i esque so possibly has a little much intake duration and some slightly different port timing numbers, compared to the ms400.0 until a few reputable builders get hands on we won't know. The 300g lighter thing sounds impressive but that's compared to the 400.0 which is 5.8kg, compared with the 362 it's only 100 grams lighter. Though produces 0.2nm more torque
Maybe it's also because the quy using it in the video is running it like a donut
I love how everyone is already hating on it without having it tried or even seen a real test on it
I don't want to hate man I love Stihl but the whole reason I wanted to upgrade to the 400 was the power running a 25 Inch bar without braking 1500 bucks
@@haydenshores9943 I don’t think that 0,1 kw will be really noticable. But I guess we‘ll have to wait and see
@@olli_brb07 I hope not but I know it was 66cc I think now it's 62
Stihl already ruined all their homeowner saws changing them to 2 pounds heavier with less power and by the sounds of it they are also ruining the pro saws now
New 400 at the approximately same weigth as Husqvarna 550. Also a fresh look and design. By removing two saws who is placed i middle of nowhere in the Stihl line-up, i bet the new 400 will be a success.
"alloy" piston... what is it... steel alloy.. aluminum alloy... magnesium alloy.. Brittle pot metal is an alloy.
Back to aluminum alloy from the magnesium alloy of the current 400c.
They used the mag alloy to lighten the piston up to reduce stress on the 362 crank when going from 59cc to just under 67cc. Now it’s an all new saw with 63cc aluminum piston on a new crankshaft from what I’ve heard.
So sad the magnesium piston is obsolete. I own the MS400 with it and love it.
Here in Brazil they are launching the ms 363 which I believe to be the same engine but carbureted 😅
Pretty sure they are exactly the same minus the electronic carb vs standard. This is also dumb in my opinion, why 2 model numbers for the same saw? This is why they had the c added to the ms462 ect. Was ms 462 for regular carb and 462c for mtronic. The 363 & 400.1 is confusing if indeed it’s exactly the same saw minus a carb. Unless the 363 is choked down like some of the special vs xp series huskies.
@@christopherlehman4045 In Brazil the pollutant laws are lower so an electronic carburetor to reduce pollution does not make sense so much so that Sthil and husqvarna do not sell chainsaws here with these systems
@@christopherlehman4045C actually means comfort - refers to pro grade suspension
Probably something to do with emissions too - but their buyers don’t want to hear they are giving up performance for emissions.
It would be nice to know the exact weight as a 462 is pretty light. I wonder if the Likes of Artur Rodak and C&S Custom Saws will be able to do their magic. I was hoping for a all new 65cc Pro saw.
Hi I lookin for help I bought brand new chainsaw ms181 I noticed oil coming out around the muffler its coming out around the 2 holes for muffler screws, its new machine do you think petrol mix to rich ? I put 20 ml of oil in to 1 liter of petrol is that to much
So could we be talking more plastic as well?
Is that even switched on 🤔
Doesnt come out till next year my advice would be buy a 400 now before they absolutely ruin it 👍
I'll definitely stick with my 562 mark 2
Best 60cc saw in Class mate 👍 Beast I love em
To small for Australia the 400 it’s self doesn’t enter the forest industry but the firewood scene
It fits in so probably the same outcome for this 😉👍
Yeah this is a very GB-centric interview. I'd say that for forestry, it's too small for most markets. Aus, NZ, US would all be after something bigger than this, wouldn't they?
@@andrewford80 yes for sure but it would be great for firewood as I’m looking at getting a 400 for that reason you don’t need to cut up big wood for that all the time ,I do have other saws but more is better 👍😉
@@atvcampingadventures1728 more is definitely better :)
Ive never liked the 400... Seams to be a waste of time saw... 13lbs 4.5hp When you can just get a 462 that is 13.5lbs and has 6.0hp... Yes its more money but if you are buying a PRO saw and you are worried about 100 this way or that way you need to buy a 271 for 349.99 and get the free oil or whatever.. ANY tree guy that is doing this as a job wants the BEST most efficient machine to get work done well and fast. 1200 for a new 400 is FOOLISH to me... when you can buy a 462 for what 1350... YEA if its got a 25 inch light bar it might be 1450.. Worth every cent....
60cc saws to me have a small market and my 362 is a good saw but it just isnt a 70cc and its weight is 3 lbs more then a 50cc... So its kinda just odd... I LOVE LOVE my 261. It is awesome and Light SUPER LIGHT and screams... but its 50cc... You dont want to buck up 25 inch oak rounds all day with it.. Its just NOT a good BIG wood saw to buck... But smaller trees under 18 inches its AWSOME. clean up saw is also Awesome..
400 is 1100 up here and the 462 is 1350 or so. I’m sure the new 400 will be in between the 362 and current 400 price point to make it a larger spread yet. As far as your logic of the 400 being worthless because they make a 462 for a little more is a bit unrealistic. They make many saws that are close in price, size and weight so may as well just buy a 500i for a little more money because it’s only a little heavier and few hundred more.
@@LiveFreeOrRIPI love my 562xpw, ❤❤
You’ve got that horsepower number for the 400 backwards. It makes 5.4 hp and the 462 makes 5.9, so over $200 in price difference for less than half a horsepower extra. I’ve ran both, there’s not much seat of the pants difference between the two. In my opinion they should’ve kept the 362, bumped up the horsepower on the 400 a little and dropped the 462 instead.
It's stupid idea the 400c is great saw . Stihl is dropping alot of sales doing this 300 grams is stupid to loose 5cc..and the piston..more corporate nonsense. All Of us arborist and saw builders completely disagree.dumb idea
So they are replacing the 362 and the 400 with a 363 plus to simplify the lineup. Bad move I think, unless they plan on adding back a bigger bore option with a mag piston down the line.
Why the heck isn’t it fuel injected like the 500i?
Cost.
@@fullthrottletimber8286 Stihl/Husky makes insane margins on saws and the difference in cost between FI and carburetor is insignificant. The 500i is expensive because they can get away with it. Gotta pay for TimberSports and all the marketing.
Did he just rate a gas engine in kilowatts? Why not keep the larger cc motor and just ditch the smaller instead of designing a new saw?
Less cc, less power, less saw 🤦
Price probably goes up $50
300 grams lighter, from what parts they took that away again?
cheaper lighter plastic? smaller tanks? less aluminium on the engine?
It won’t ever run with a Husqvarna 562 mark 2.. 13lb saw that will pull a 28” bar and it screams like a banshee!! Your light weight bar is the best thing Stihl ever made.
Just go the 500.
The 034 super was the best Stihl saw ever made
I disagree I think the 044 is the best saw ever made
You aren’t necessarily wrong but it just depends on the size of the wood. I bought 2 034 supers 3 044’s and 3 066’s new. The red light 066 were my favorite but once I stopped logging professionally, I sold them all off and just kept the super. Great firewood saw, and for spar work. 044 was probably the most versatile if you still cut some good sized trees. 👍🏼
@@hidhshsj123 for it's class size , I don't disagree. I was talking about the 60 cc class saws
Ok, the real reason Stihl is coming out with this saw is because of Echo’s cs620pw. The power of Echo’s saw and weight are much better and by the way Echo’s always crank,for me even when hot.
The 620 echo isn’t better than the current 400
Yeah,I'm sorry,but an ms400c will output a echo 620. The echo is a great saw and comes in at a much better price point though. I'm not knocking it. Any modern saw starts well hot or cold. No issues with any stihl I've owned in the last 20 years starting hit or cold.
Are there any new clearing saws coming from Stihl?
The dealers in Canada have the 362 on sale….so I guess they are clearing them out.
Does the throttle stick on the new model then?😆
Simply MS 362.1 , could not live with MS 400, The Real Deal, AMEN !
im waiting for an ms300 built around the 261 chassis, with fuel injection preferably
Very doubtful it will happen since it would probably be over 1000$ to buy a 45-50cc saw
@@christopherlehman4045 they already have the 420 injected concrete saw. would be worth it
Stihl has ruined the 400. Keeping my 400 and buying another Husqvarna instead of another 400.
Anybody ever heard of a 044? Why did they quit making that song? It was a lightweight beast😢
The 044 was 14lbs and 5.4hp. The ms400c is 12.8lbs and 5.4hp. For the same weight as the old 044 you can now get an ms500i which is 6.7hp. They're nice saws,just stupid expensive. I've got a ms400c that I bought to replace ms old ms441c. It's got alot more low end grunt than my old ms441c. Both pull a 28" bar pretty good.
I’ll stick to my 500i and the old trusty 660 magnum. Would be cool if they could go back to the screw caps. These flippy caps are JUNK!
I've got an original 084 and 066... both running awesome... I use the 084 with a 42'' bar for ripping big logs.. I used them both falling timber for several years and cutting god knows how many cords of firewood, amazing saws... not sure about these new 'improved' things, might be higher power to weight ratio but if a guy can't handle a bit of weight he'd better stay out of the woods!!!
Nice. 👍
Husq and sthil both be doin questionable things
What would be so wrong with keeping with the 67cc displacment? I cant wrap my head around the logic here!!!
The information we all really want to know was left out ...is it fuel injection or carb ....how much will it cost us..
It’s mtronic
In my opinion this is a useless model! The weight is so similar to ms400 why not just go with the 400 and get the power that comes with it? And if you don't mind 1/2 lb more weight go with the 462 . Don't make sense to me. I have a ms 066 that's 20 years old that weights more than I care to carry all day so I bought a 500 I now that's a weight difference!!! And the 500 so far does the job well. I have a couple of ms362's that I will not be replacing for this new model.
064!
362i ?
I was gonna buy the 400 now i hafto save up for the 462 bevause im not getting that saw with less power for that amount of money im sure it wont run a 25 near as well if i buy a 400 now therw will be no parts
They need to supply parts for 10
Years after they stop selling the saw and actually a large number of 362 parts fit the current 400. The main parts that are different are the cases and cylinder but body parts ect are the same.
@@christopherlehman4045 only thing that sucks is I prob wouldn't need a piston and cylinder for like ten years lol
Sounds like 162
Broken 🤔🤣
Idiotic to can a perfectly good 400c.
I thought the Germans are supposed to be smart. This doesn't make sense. Impractical 🙃
heres an idea, put the engine displacement in the name.
MS 500i or MS 720 😀❤️😀❤️ and The 201TC-M 😊
Instead of building a new saw that sucks why not bring back the 441 magnum you know the saw they only made for a year then discontinued I ran the 441 when I was working the mill and it was a fine saw lots of power and it was fast to
441 was made many years and heavy, they had so many issues they pulled it in favor of the 440 again till they could fix it. After it was fixed it came back out but never caught on hard because of early problems and being a pain to work on.
@christopherlehman4045 yeah they brought it back the year the 661 magnum came out I had one and spent a lot of time on it never had any trouble with it was a fine saw it was lighter than the 661 and cut faster
I had my ms441c for 12 years,and it was a good saw. It was stupid heavy and ridiculously hard to work on. I had to completely disassemble the top end to replace the throttle cable. It pulled a 28" bar ok in hardwood, but the 400 I bought to replace it is lighter and just as powerful, but with better low end grunt
Trying to be a husky 562.
The ms400c will eat a 562 Huskies lunch. The ms362 is a good saw,just not the fastest around. The ms400c is a whole different animal. The ms400 weighs 12.8lb while the 562 weighs 13.4lbs. Both can run a 28" bar. You can buy husqvarna anywhere,but theres no servicing dealers around here,only stihl and echo. If I need parts or services I dont wanna have ti get jerry bob down the street to fix it and I dont wanna have to wait for parts off ebay.
It’s obvious that guy has very little experience running a chainsaw
They had Husqvarna beat with the 400c and now that they’re replacing it, husky will reign supreme in the 60cc class with the 562xp mk2. Way to go stihl😂
Same cc as a 562 and almost same power as current 400 which is already lighter then a 562. Should still beat a 562 with a larger difference in weight but i still think the current 400 should have stayed
Love my 400 ,needs bigger felling teeth,
Я знаю почему он пилит не сбавляя газ потому что у неё провалы
Send me one to review !!!!!
And a 391. That's 66cc
Why not let the professionals decide that, this guy… lol
You really want me get excited about your saws,how about you come with something 65 to 70 cc lighter and can accommodate a 28 to 30 inch bar without losing any power or speed, and while you're at it how about better fuel and oil caps,
Stihl falls to bit/crap.stick to my huskys 572xp/592xp.choice.
Sounds like a downgrade to me.
It really doesn't sound right
Hilarious watching the guy use a saw, wouldn't lend him a saw, definitely not saw man, not able to sharpen a saw either.
Most definitely not
@@wilfuller1699 100% brother.
I can always tell a novice by the stance. They keep their legs straight and stand square to the cut. A pro will take up a boxer's stance, left leg in front with a soft bend in both knees. The head is held off to one side of the cut.
Watch the guy's face behind him.
More Stihl junk. And yes I have a 400
They are making some absolute crap last couple of years mate! It's shocking when there prices are mental!! 🤔
The ms400 is a helluva saw,what's your beef with it?
@@ciphercode2298 love the 400 mate but I'd tell anyone to buy 1 now before the new 1 comes out
@@davt8615 agreed,I reallyove mine.
@@ciphercode2298 good saws mate 👍
The guy with the beard, I can understand about 1/10th of what he is saying. Hes the best interviewer you have ? Really ???
Yea ill pass, looks like its got the same juice as a ms362 which i never thought was impressive, im sure you’re gonna need to get loan to buy it like most of there saws today that are totally overpriced!
Gay
Oh please! Not another piece of stihl junk! Really!!!
Lol
How about sub titles in English, I can barely understand what you are saying
I agree. They SHOULD have English speaking guys discussing this. Complete waste of time, cant understand the "language" they are using.
@@mojomaster5003😂😂😂😂😂😂 you can't understand a Scot and an English man and demand English speaking guys. Are you American by any chance
@@davediesel90the english fellow I could follow pretty well,but the Scot was slurring his words like he'd been in the pub all day. He was kind of hard to understand.
@ciphercode2298 😀 ok fair enough I'll give you a pass on my Scottish cousins, you just have to listen drunk or in a Scottish accent 😂😂😂👍🇮🇪
@davediesel90 I am Dutch, irish, canadian french and american indian